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Amazon's 1,082-volume Classics Collection: $7,989
Carl Bialik from the WSJ writes "Who would buy 828 feet worth of books, for nearly $8,000, that would take 20 years to read at the rate of one title per week? And how much does it cost to ship? The Real Time columnists at the Wall Street Journal Online ponder these and other deep questions raised by Amazon's The Penguin Classics Library Complete Collection, whose sheer jaw-dropping enormity reminds them of e-tailers' wacky offers during the dot-com boom. 'We think the collection is a perfect fit for more than a few software engineers we've known -- smart, self-directed people who are eternally curious, yet abhor wasting time intellectually and can't hide their impatience with the fuzziness of liberal arts,' Jason Fry and Tim Hanrahan write. 'For them, here's a pre-selected, pretty comprehensive list of Western classics, assembled for purchase with a single mouse-click -- and available in a form that eschews frills for portability and ease of use. Think of it as Humanities In a Box. OK, a Very Big Box.'"
Ill wait for someone to rip it to an ebook i think.
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Doesn't "enormity" mean, horrible crime? Perhaps the author meant "enormousness".
Seems like a convenient way to get that I'm-too-rich-for-the-public-library mansion-library started for the rich and famous.
Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast.
So how many have you read on the list?
Complete list here.
I wonder how long it will take for someone to put together a quick script to take the book list and put the same collection out of Gutenberg?
My personal library is about the same size, including lots of thick computer manuals, and it takes up less than half that.
They probably dropped a decimal point.
The person buying it has a rather large insect/ leaf collection?
Will wank off Linus Torvalds for fame.
I am an ex sotware engineer in my fifties who did exactly this. In my 20's I collected about 2000 core classics so they could always be at hand. I've read most of them too.
I can't say whether they have "improved my life" since the substrate of my perspective now depends upon them. For example, because of them I decided that engineering is too limiting.
But if you have faith that generating interconnections in the brain between sense, experience and imaginitive possibilities is a good thing, then this is the way to go.
$3.99 is a great deal for shipping... but, do they ship to Puerto Rico? I'd really hate to pay that %6.6 tax for it.
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828 feet for 1082 books... so they measure them lying down, not standing up, like you will encounter books most of the time.
I take it you don't have kids? My reading rate dropped by an order of magnitude once that happened. Now I grab whatever time I can.
Hey, you can save a whole 30 dollars if you apply for an Amazon credit card!
I can't believe the submitter didn't take the oppourtunity to link to Amazon with a refer code. *THAT* would be referer points worth getting modded down for!
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What a bargain!
OK, they're paperback which means the popular ones would wear out quickly. But if you were feeling philanthropic and wanted to give an otherwise sparse school library a boost, I could see it.
You should probably ask them first, though. I'm picturing Monday morning at the hometown library. The UPS rep knocks on the door to get a signature, and the librarian looks up to a couple semi-loads of books starting to be unloaded in their front yard!
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For those who want to buy: Amazon link to the collection here!
Browse the Complete Collection by Author here
Browse the Complete Collection by Title Here
But I still think this is better - a quarter of a million dollars for a vinyl record (45 rpm) of every song that charted between 1950 and 1990.
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They won't ship these set for free. I wonder why.
My biggest problem with this is that they call it "Complete Penguin Classics" and not one book on Linux in the entire set!
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There are many titles listed twice. "Art of War" Twice "The Aeneid" three times "The Epic of Gilgamesh" twice lots more. Dunno if they are counted in the total, but its not very well presented...
can't hide their impatience with the fuzziness of liberal arts
And these same fellows expect to glide through both Gravity's Rainbow and Finnegan's Wake? I thought it was funny in the WSJ article that they mention being spared Ulysses, which is actually readable by your average man, while FW requires you to understand some self-made Gaelic language Joyce made up. Yeah... gonna polish that one off in a weekend.
I agree that the list is a bit odd. You just get a collection of Kafka short stories without including either The Trial or The Castle. Likewise Hesse's Siddartha should probably be paired with or replaced with either Demian or Steppenwolf. In fact this set seems to betray the classic modernist view of literature: pre-colonial, predominantly Western. Though there are some interesting choices. Like The Ruba'iyat of Omar Khayyam. But Borges seems to carry the load for all of South America. And no Rushdie? Murakami? Aren't we missing a hemisphere? And everything seems to stop around Vineland. No DeLillo, Eugenides, Ellis or Eggers. Its like literature stopped with the post-modern singularity.
But Harold Bloom would be agree: the entire body of Shakespeare's work is here. So thus goes the Western Canon. I guess if you are going to buy 900 feet of paperbacks and you're going to get them for 40% off, no need to be choosy.
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Takes me about a month to read a book.
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but seriously, it'd be much more worth it if they were designed to look like old leather books. you know, like rich old people have in their study. in movies.
barnes and noble has some classic books reprinted in some faux-leather hardcover format (example) which would be much more impressive to have filling up a room.
One title per week seems pretty leisurely to me.
Well, you get Finnegan's Wake and Crime and Punishment, for instance, and they'll eat up a lot of whatever time margin you can get on the more accessible titles.
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This looks targeted for those looking to give a home library that 'bling bling' factor. No one would actually read all the books, but I sure can imagine a home decorator setting up a wall of books in the study. Cost less than most leather chairs.
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I'd kill to have The Criterion Collection shipped to me in one big box.
.. I want them in one big package..
(Or, one small hard drive.)
Whatever. I just want all those movies..
Anyone know of good movie collection services that rock? I've seen a few of those "Columbia-House" style dealies, where you get one movie a month for 2 years, but that sucks
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You can get 828 feet if you lay them all flat. (That'd only be about .75 feet per book, which is 9 inches - a little tall for a book but not unreasonable). I don't know why'd you do this, other than to use facts to show that you can take up lots of space with your books.
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Yeh, I have kids. You're right, that cut my reading time dramatically... I can generally stretch a novel out 2 or 3 days now, but rarely more than that... unless I'm so exhausted I collapse it still takes up to half a paperback to get me to sleep of an evening. I've pared down my personal library to stuff that I can re-read a couple of times a year, which has really helped me cut back my Amazon/Borders/Fictionwise bill.
It's not 828 ft of shelf space. Amazon description says, "the titles would tower 828 feet if you stacked them atop each other." They mean all of them standing vertically, one atop the other. Since those penguin classics are around 9 inches tall, that works out. Why you would measure books in this totally meaningless way? So that you can claim that they're "almost as tall as the Empire State Building" of course!
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At the discount price, this is roughly $7 a book. While I may not be able to get them all at once, I sure can get them a lot cheaper other ways. That is the price of new books by well-known authors, and I have a very hard time bringing myself to pay that (I can't help but think of scrimping to save $1.50 to go buy a brand new book each week just 15 years ago). I can't imagine paying those prices for these "classics". No wonder the shipping is so cheap.
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I'm happy if i manage to read a 400-page book in 1-2 months.
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> If you can't be bothered to figure out for yourself which books you "ought" to read to get a good grasp of western literature, are you going to read the books some people at Amazon think you "ought" to read if they just end up on your shelves?
It's not really an "ought to read" list; it's a collection of everything that has been released in the Penguin "classics" line. Notice that a number of titles appear repeatedly:
- The Aeneid by Virgil
- The Aeneid by Virgil
- The Aeneid by Virgil
I don't think they're saying you should have read it three times.Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Now those I would buy as presents.
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I've never been a fast reader. In fact, I'd say at best I read only a page or so a minute. But I'm also a very visual person, so I appreciate reading slowly and letting my mind make up it's own movie. The more descriptive the book, the slower I go. My room mate reads probably 3x as fast as I do, but I'm fairly certain he misses a good portion of what he reads, because he doesn't really process it. When you have "book club" type discussions with people, you find out rather quickly who doesn't pay enough attention to the small details. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I figure if I'm going to read a book, I'm going to get the most of it.
That's besides the point that reading is a leisure activity for me, not a goal or accomplishment. There's just no need to race through it.
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I can't read Finnegan's Wake, or most of the other works that are more about showing how bloody clever the author is with language than telling a story, and most of the Russian novels I've read have been mostly exquisitely brilliant depictions of interestingly pathological personalities, and that's not something I'd spend any more time on (but if you can recommend something more along the lines of Chekov's short stories (but not for the love of god his plays) I'd be obliged). So they won't slow me down at all...
Okay okay, we get it, you can read super fast, give us a break. May be you should learn the value of a "leisurely pace".
Man, slashdot isn't the place to find humility, thats for damn sure.
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Just sayin', it isn't unthinkable for an institution to purchase something like this.
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Because Penguin mostly prints stuff that is out of copyright.
After Penguin's involvement in the whole "katie.com" fiasco, I try to avoid buying anything with their name on it (Linux excepted!)
Most (all?) of these titles are in the public domain, so the publisher's only cost is printing. And they're paperbacks. Penguin is making a pretty good margin on these.
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Somewhere in those hundreds of books are a lot of them that are worth reading, and that would surely improve one's functionality within Western Civilization. Coughing up all that money up front sort of obliges one to actually pull at least some of them off the shelf and read them.
I'm much more likely to finally digest Gilgamesh or some dreaded Faulkner if I already own them, and can easily transport them to the bathroom. If I say, though, "Gee, it's time I finally read some Gilgamesh..." and then have to order or go out and buy a copy... it's not going to happen. Sort of like bench presses. So, it's the literary gym membership you have to use in order to justify, after-the-fact, having spent the money.
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When they would get older classical type books, the kind noone really wanted to buy used to read, but that have the nice old decorated hardback spine, they would line them in a seperate area for "decorative books". People would buy them by the yard as filler, either to fill their library with impressive looking books, or for theater props or whatever. All they really needed to do was look good filling a shelf.
Amazons version of this sounds a bit expensive.
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How much extra for the leather binding? Does that add to the shipping weight?
If you can't be bothered to figure out for yourself which books you "ought" to read to get a good grasp of western literature, are you going to read the books some people at Amazon think you "ought" to read if they just end up on your shelves?
Actually it's the editors of Penguin Books, not the people at Amazon.com.
I read a lot, and the idea of this is pretty distasteful to me. Sure, you'll get some of the good books, but you'll also get the awful crap that snotty english types swear is "fine literature".
Examples?
dont forget orson scott card, and harry potter!
I fit your general definition, however I don't confine myself to just engineering issues. Why break off one side of the subject of knowledge just because it has no 'science' in it? Curiosity encompasses all things from rockets to poetry. The so called liberal arts are the study of why people act like people.
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if there were only 1024 books. You know, don't want to risk overflowing my bookshelf...
1024 *will* 'overflow' your geek 'bookshelf' if- as you're implying- the number of books it holds has to be contained within 10 bits.
Unless, of course, you're using the class of bookshelves which can *never* be empty, and can thus hold 1-1024 books, instead of 0-1023.
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Okay okay, we get it, you can read super fast
Uh-uh. I know people who read super-fast. I'm not one of them.
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Well, there are three in there by Lovecraft - it's a start. I think both of the ones you cite are too recent to be declared classics - I don't think there's anything on the list newer than late 60s.
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Not if you're reading Crime and Punishment. My god that book is terrible.
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If you can't be bothered to figure out for yourself which books you "ought" to read to get a good grasp of western literature, are you going to read the books some people at Amazon think you "ought" to read if they just end up on your shelves?
No, no, we already have Slashdot for that...
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I couldnt find many books important to geeks on Gutenberg site.
.. what are the "geek classics"? ..who wants to attempt compiling a list of say top 100.
.. err.. 1927.
.. and Newton's principia .. and don't forget some of the arabic texts too (of Al-Khwarizmi, Ibn Zakariya al-Razi, Al Haitham) and chinese ones etc. That is, the least doesnt have to be "western geek classics".
Actually
To be a classic it has to be published before
I'm reckoning Euclid's Elements be in there
Not if you're reading Crime and Punishment. My god that book is terrible.
When I was a kid somehow I acquired the meme that it was immoral to give up on a book if you didn't like it. I read a lot of bad books, simply because I had them and thus I felt I had to read them. I was in college when I first ran into a book that was so bad that I threw it across the room rather than finish it, but that experience freed me to simply give up and go on to another book when I realised I was wasting my time. That same week I was actually able to box up some books that had been sitting unfinished on my bookshelf for months and donate them to the library. The sense of relief was amazing.
WSJ fails to explain (for ideological reasons?) why Penguin are so desperatly willing to sell such a collection though. Because of expiring copyright most of these titles are in the public domain and will be almost worthless to Penguin within a few years. It is as much a benefit of capitalism at it is "a marketing scheme". But since some corporation might loose money on it some years ahead becasue of their antique business idea I guess it's evil.
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There is a smattering of non-Western literature represented, such as the Bhagavad-Gita and The Art of War. Not a lot, certainly, probably only about 10-20 titles. I'm sure they could do better, but it's good that they're at least including a bit.
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The feature I would really like to see is a `next book in this series' button. It is very difficult to find the next one in a series - particularly if it's still on the first edition which only lists other books by the same author that were published earlier. I generally prefer to buy an entire series at once, so I don't have to wait once I've finished one.
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This is a great way of filling up the library in your new McMansion
You must read pretty short books, or you have lots of time. I can't see it done unless you spend 5-8 hours a day (at least I enjoy reading so I don't try to rush through it as if I have to take a test on it tomorrow).
I dare you to read Walden cover-to-cover in one week and come back to say that. Not only is reading Walden in one week not leisurely at all, but if you actually accomplish that feat your head will explode. It's a widely believed fact!
Yes, and when those snotty english types are looking for computer books to read, it would obviously to folly for them to check the book reviews to see what those knowlegable on the issue would think. Worse still would be for them to simply trust the common wisdom of the community. I would never wish Tannenbaum, or Upgrading and Repairing PCs on someone, as there may just be a better book on the subjects.
As a onetime literature student, I think you're mistaken. When you were in school, in English class, it was probably not up to you to choose the books most appropriate for your consumption. I think I would have gone Tom Clancy novels had I the choice. These people, those 'snotty english types' have spent their years studying literature. There opinion, knowlege and wisdom should be respected in these matters. Any graduate or postgraduate course does not differ greatly in content.
For example, I challange you to find a Universtiy introductory unit on 'novels' which doesn't contain at least on, maybe two of: Bronte, Austen, ar Lawrence. Find an authority who wouldn't recommend Dostoyevsky, of Tolstoy,or Moby Dick, Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner or Hitchhikers Guide (well, maybe not).
The point is, it has been long established what books reflect society or convey eloquently natural law themes. Why waste time doing the research when you could be reading.
Or to put it another way, when you're in the book store you want the best book on Perl/Flash/Solaris? Would you like, every time you were to by a book, to have to spend the evening before reading reviews of all the books available? When someone comes to your house to borrow a book on XXXX, don't you like being able to recommend a book, knowing that they will get value-for-time?
If you find this idea distasteful, then perhaps your being conceited, or ignorant, or something else. You aren't being smart though. When you're in hostpital with cancer, I pray you trust your specialists, rather than spending five years in medical school getting up to speed. Don't waste time on the unimportant stuff.
I have a set of the Harvard Classics on my bookshelf, the "five-foot-shelf" that is a very good collection of Great Books. (http://www.bartleby.com/hc/). Biography, history, drama, literature, fiction, philosophy, science, politics, religion... it's all there. I've been working my way through it for almost twenty years. Well worth having around, as it means you will never lack for high-quality reading material.
My alma mater, the University of Chicago (http://www.uchicago.edu/), is very much a Great Books kind of place. Here's a good list to start with (from "How to Read a Book" by Mortimer J. Adler and Charles Van Doren, 1972):
1. Homer (9th Century B.C.?)
Iliad
Odyssey
2. The Old Testament
3. Aeschylus (c.525-456 B.C.)
Tragedies
4. Sophocles (c.495-406 B.C.)
Tragedies
5. Herodotus (c.484-425 B.C.)
History
6. Euripides (c.485-406 B.C.)
Tragedies
(esp. Medea, Hippolytus, The Bacchae)
7. Thucydides (c.460-400 B.C.)
History of the Peloponnesian War
8. Hippocrates (c.460-377? B.C.)
Medical Writings
9. Aristophanes (c.448-380 B.C.)
Comedies
(esp. The Clouds, The Birds, The Frogs)
10. Plato (c.427-347 B.C.)
Dialogues
(esp. The Republic, Symposium, Phaedo, Meno, Apology, Phaedrus, Protagoras, Gorgias, Sophist, Theaetetus)
11. Aristotle (384-322 B.C.)
Works
(esp. Organon, Physics, Metaphysics, On the Soul, The Nicomachean Ethics, Politics, Rhetoric, Poetics)
12. Epicurus (c.341-270 B.C.)
Letter to Herodotus
Letter to Menoeceus
13. Euclid (fl.c. 300 B.C.)
Elements
14. Archimedes (c.287-212 B.C.)
Works
(esp. On the Equilibrium of Planes, On Floating Bodies, The Sand-Reckoner)
15. Apollonius of Perga (fl.c.240 B.C.)
Conic Sections
16. Cicero (106-43 B.C.)
Works
(esp. Orations, On Friendship, On Old Age)
17. Lucretius (c.95-55 B.C.)
On the Nature of Things
18. Virgil (70-19 B.C.)
Works
19. Horace (65-8 B.C.)
Works
(esp. Odes and Epodes, The Art of Poetry)
20. Livy (59 B.C.-A.D. 17)
History of Rome
21. Ovid (43 B.C.-A.D. 17)
Works
(esp. Metamorphoses)
22. Plutarch (c.45-120)
Parallel Lives
Moralia
23. Tacitus (c.55-117)
Histories
Annals
Agricola
Germania
24. Nicomachus of Gerasa (fl.c. 100 A.D.)
Introduction to Arithmetic
25. Epictetus (c.60-120)
Discourses
Encheiridion (Handbook)
26. Ptolemy (c.100-170; fl. 127-151)
Almagest
27. Lucian (c.120-c.190)
Works
(esp. The True Way to Write History, The True History, The Sale of Creeds)
28. Marcus Aurelius (121-180)
Meditations
29. Galen (c. 130-200)
On the Natural Faculties
30. The New Testament
31. Plotinus (205-270)
The Enneads
32. St. Augustine (354-430)
Works
(esp. On the Teacher, Confessions, City of God, On Christian Doctrine)
33. The Song of Roland (12th century?)
34. The Nibelungenlied (13th century?)
(Völsunga Saga is the Scandinavian version of the same legend)
35. The Saga of Burnt Njal
36. St. Thomas Aquinas (c.1225-1274)
Summa Theologica
37. Dante Alighieri (1265-1321)
Works
(esp. The New Life, On Monarchy, The Divine Comedy)
38. Geoffrey Chaucer (c.1340-1400)
Works
(esp. Troilus and Criseyde, The Canterbury Tales)
39. Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519)
Notebooks
40. Niccolò Machiavelli (1469-1527)
The Prince
Discourses on the First Ten Books of Livy
41. Desiderius Erasmus (c.1
The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. - Mark Twain
"[C]an't hide their impatience with the fuzziness of liberal arts"? I don't get it. What does this de-fuzz? The selection process? Someone else has made the fuzzy choices, but there's still no Classicometer that you point at a book to decide if it's worth reading. And if you're so impatient with the arts, what are you doing reading literature -- skimming the filler in Moby Dick to get to the juicy technical details of whaling?
Bah. The only thing that's simplified and streamlined here is the process of buying a whole bunch of stuff. Has consumerism reached such grim intensity that it's no longer more fun to browse and shop for yourself?
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Not to mention that many of the Russian works (Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Pushkin) in Gutenberg are poor translations.
"Or to put it another way, when you're in the book store you want the best book on Perl/Flash/Solaris? Would you like, every time you were to by a book, to have to spend the evening before reading reviews of all the books available?"
When I'm spending $50 - $100 on a computer book then yes, I almost always spend the evening before reading reviews of different books so I can feel confident in my purchasing decision. I might ask people for recommendations so I know which books to look at... but I'd never take one person's sole opinion on a book that expensive.
Though of course when I'm grabbing a $10 - $20 book to read for pure entertainment / leisure then I would almost always use someone's recommendation.
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I have read the entire list
(of titles that is).
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the shipping on that is only $3.99, not to shabby.
Your reading speed depends largely on the books you read. My wife reads at a pace of four to five books a week, and that's juggling the television, Neopets, and Master's Thesis she just completed. She reads James Patterson and the like. A lot of quasi-romance, generic thrillers, etc. I can't exactly hide the tone of distaste that I have for the books she reads, mostly because I've tried to read them myself and can barely get through the terrible writing. (We listened to an audio book during a 14 hour drive and it was the most painful "reading" experience ever.)
I, on the other hand, often take a week to read a book because I tend to read things that challenge me a bit more and have more relevance within literature. Not trying to be a snob, but I've been disappointed by most of my wife's types of novels. Also, I decided that I should try to read some more significant books. As Mark Twain said, "A classic is something that everybody wants to have read and nobody wants to read."
It took me two weeks to read Fountainhead (Rand); three days to re-read The Stranger (Camus); I'm putting off The Brothers Karamazov (Dostoevsky) until I'm a little more conditioned to reading again because I know it will be a challenge.
Like you, I feel that if I give up on a book (or movie, for that matter) before it's done then I've done an injustice to the author. It could redeem itself - and I can't judge a book on the first few chapters. That said, there have been a few that I've had to put down for a few years before finishing...
19 titles by Graham Green. Sounds nice. But missing One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich, by Alexander Solzhenitsyn? Incomplete.
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The list contains:
# Beowulf by Anonymous
# Beowulf: A Prose Translation by Anonymous
# Beowulf: A Verse Translation by Anonymous
Which, as we all recognize, is a Beowulf cluster....
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Gee, ya think?
at least I don't have to rummage the site looking for one more title to push it into free Super Saver shipping status...
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If you want the world's population to seem unbelievably huge, too big to ever deal with, make all the people join hands in a line.
If you want to make the defecit seem smaller, describe it as paper money in dumpsters. As a volume it won't seem nearly as daunting than it would all stacked up, let alone end to end.
Both are correct, but they lead the reader's impression in a way that's intentional.
"Fundamentalism" isn't about divine morality. It's about human authority.
The translations suck horribly because Gutenberg has to rely on public domain versions. Since translations are copyrightable, the translation must have been written pre-1923, which kinda cuts down on the available material.
Petition your congresscritter for a saner copyright term if you want Gutenberg to have access to newer, better translations.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
Thats about how many spines I get through a week, on average. Sometimes I find one I might one to read inside the covers. Then it takes longer, on average. Mostly it depends on the size of pictures I think, on average.
I would say I am about average.
I think you underestimate just how much I just dont care.
Who would buy 828 feet worth of books, for nearly $8,000, that would take 20 years to read at the rate of one title per week?
Someone who values literature. This may be difficult for some of you to understand, but such people do exist.
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. --Will
As someone who got their degree in English and spent a lot of time hanging around Humanities professors, I always found their candid opinions of "classics" amusing. My favorite quote (which was probably quoted from someone else) was from a British literature professor I had: "The classics are the books we all pretend to have read."
This type of thing is common in all fields, where many of the people who've ACTUALLY done the studying in depth treat the "legends" and "classics" in the field with a little less reverence than those outside the field.
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Because Penguin mostly prints stuff that is out of copyright.
The Penguin Classics imprint largely consists of out of copyright works, but Penguin Books publishes a lot of contemporary literature.
Back in the day, the had Penguin for fiction, Pelican for non-fiction and Puffin for "younger readers". I get the impression those brands have been phased out, which is a shame because I thought it was rather clever, and the logos were nice.
Penguin is probably most famous for fighting and winning the Lady Chatterly's Lover censorship case.
I wouldn't buy my books in bulk by publisher. When I choose a book it's by way of research into the author(s)' background. By way of example, many history books from the 50s and 60s that I've picked up have a strong bias as the authors were promulgating their theory as either pro marxist or antimarxist. I'd no idea that much of the soft sciences were a battle ground for Marxists ideologues. Who's to say what biases the publisher may express throughout the collection and why limit yourself to the exegencies of one publishing house in a search for knowledge.
"Academicians are more likely to share each other's toothbrush than each other's nomenclature."
Cohen
"Massive massive editing errors"? Holy shit! Can you point out one of these massive massive errors?
Or are you possibly referring to errors which were in the original text, which the Project explicitly refuses to correct, since their stated goal is to preserve the original author's intent, even if that original author couldn't spell?
The "bizzare [sic] formatting system" Gutenberg uses is Plain Vanilla ASCII for a reason---longetivity. They say it better than I could; read their rationale. They're more interested in making the text stable for the long term, than in compiling it for your device-of-the-week. Besides, as other users have pointed out, you can, with little to moderate effort, derive your proprietary format from the ASCII plaintext.
Not to mention that Gutenberg provides some titles in RTF format. Or HTML, including formatting, illustration, and so on. Or that they have a whole section about reading their eBooks on PDAs.
When was the last time you used PG? 1985? They have over 16,000 etexts, with more being added every day---how is this falling "far short"? What great and towering public-domain works does their catalog lack?
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
Considering these are all 'classics' and not new releases, ~7.39 a book isn't that cheap, you'd probably pay less in Barnes and Noble. The fact that the original price was ~$12.24 a book is outrageous.
So although the collected works of Jane Austen were on my reading list one year, I read none of them and focused on DH Lawrence, Faulkner, etc.
Good choice.
I've read three Jane Austen novels. Two of them were a complete waste of time, since they were all the same story with different characters. Well, different names. Or should I say "character", since apart from the female protagonist there weren't any. I've been told that one Jane Austen or Emily Bronte novel would satisfy my lifetime requirement for that genre, and I can believe it.
This is too funny... the whole point of buying these books would be to have a list of them so I can read one that sounds interesting when I wanted to pick up a new book. But now I can just look at the list and buy as I go.
Don't use it to describe the books, unless you really, really hate them.
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The most important thing is not to HAVE all these books (althought it's fine).
Far more important is to actually USE any of them to learn more about human functioning and to contribute more efficiently to improving oneself and the rest of humanity.
There is certainly a very valuable treasure of human experience in such a collection -- and a lot of garbage, too (which can also be instructive -- by contrast). What I would love to see, is an HONEST and neutral compilation of human ideas. It's not necessary to read ALL this paper in order to get the most important things and start to do something.
Of course, some will say, read the Bible then. Others will prefer the Coran, or Tao Te King, or The Revelation of Arès. Fine, these are important fundamental works indeed which should be read and acted upon. But once you know the spiritual foundation of man, knowing human ideas and history is useful, too, in order to know more and act more efficiently in this mankind for the common good.
and I'm aware that translations, and "editions" (i.e. add a foreword by a well-known author of today) are copyrightable. Anyone wanting to read Gutenberg's translated works though should be aware that they're reading flawed writing.
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For classics, I prefer Everyman's Library. They're hardcovers and contain a usually very interesting introduction and a timeline of the author's life along with important events in literature and history. The latter alone is worth the time to pick these up a library.
Like you, I feel that if I give up on a book (or movie, for that matter) before it's done then I've done an injustice to the author.
I used to feel that way, but I don't any more. I let go of the idea that a book was a commitment twenty years ago, and I've been happier for it. Life's too short for bad books... particularly the particular kind of bad books that only brilliant writers can produce.
Ayn Rand, for example: I can't say I exactly admire your commitment but I'm certainly impressed.
Well, it means that royalties are going to an editor /note writer/introduction writer, rather than to the copyright holder for the original work, or their estate.
So from a copyright holder's perspective, longer copyrights are good for them.
That's cool, but what if Linus Torvalds just happened to walk in and recommend a book which you'd not yet considered, or had but decided in favor of another on the same topic. What about Bill Gates (maybe not the best example)? My point is, there are some authorities who you can simply trust.
Flatland (complete text) by Edwin A. Abbott
It's a work of fiction written in 1884 about a 3-dimensional being's visit to a 2-dimensional world. It blew my mind when I first read it in high school.
And this happens right when they're trying to liquidate old copies of the Penguin Classics with the old covers to clear out warehouse space? :) Reminds me of grab-bags of anything - there may be one or two good books in it, but you have to buy a whole lot of crud. I'll stick to a-la-carte. BTW, Buy.com sells Penguin Classics dirt cheap.
If I wanted to start a small library, or add a humanities section to a company technical library, this is a great way to do it.
Except...
It's way overpriced.
Public domain books can be had for a lot less.
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Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions. Newton's Principia Mathematica is now in PGDP in the original Latin. The Descent of Man and The Origin of Species . I'm kinda surprised that Euclid's not in there at all. Maybe a dearth of old translations?
Too bad there's not much SF in there, either. An unfortunate consequence of it being a relatively recent genre. Stupid copyright terms.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
The original poster reads at the same speed I do.
Ta ta!
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These are paperbacks, are they not? The neat thing to do would be to assemble a collection of nicely hardbound versions of these--not firsts, but nicely bound--that would look a lot more impressive lining your library than a bunch of cheap paperbacks.
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The most entertaining part (IMO) of this article was a little snippet at the end, called "SPAM OF THE WEEK":
SPAM OF THE WEEK: We love spams that leave us with absolutely no idea what we're supposed to do. Like the one that came to the Real Time box last month from the sender Van Announcement. Its subject was "Drinks?" and the message body was "Happy hour @ 6:00 @ Jake's". And that was it -- no date, no embedded gif, no link, nothing. Was something missing? Was this some code we weren't cool enough to decipher? Perhaps it's just the grim possibility that we missed free booze, but we'd still like to know.
Listen, you don't buy the entire collection to read. You buy it to impress others if you are vain. You put the books on your bookshelf so that guests to your house think you are cultured and well educated. I'll bet that Amazon already has people interested in it.
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I want the Cliff's Notes for each one- *then* I'll consider it!
"Who would buy 828 feet worth of books, for nearly $8,000, that would take 20 years to read at the rate of one title per week?"
Probably not just a who, but several of them. I guess I can see one person ordering all this for his or her personal library, but I'm bettering it's probably geared more toward organizations and such.
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It's not very hard to comprehend. Some people can read through your average sized fiction novel in 3 hours. I picked up this habit in high school when the English classes were having us read a book per week but I didn't want to spend all week reading. I'd usually read through the assigned materials the night before the accompanied exam. Basically, I'd pretend as if I were watching a film. As well, in college, I found that reading the entire book the night before any discussion or exam left the entire contents of the book fresh in my mind rather than spaced out over a 3-4 day period. (although this is different for classes that progress one section at a time) YMMV ... and yes, /. is not a place for humility.
According to checkout info, shipping is only $3.99 (sounds like a bargain to me!)
The paperpack factor would keep these out of just about any library except for that of a Public Elementary School. And then, a better deal could be had on better quality books.
Would you pay as much for a Kia for a giant pile of paperbacks?
If they did something amazing like offer some sort of quality, leather binding, special edition, hell - even a cardboard cover, then I can see dropping nearly $8000 for books at one time.
Otherwise, I'd take my chances and perhaps miss out on 4 or 5 of those books by Anonymous and Shakespeare to bid on a few closed public library book lots. Might even get free bookshelves.
Even at $2 per book (high estimate) you'd come out ahead, unless you're one of those people who has to have all *brand new* stuff.
If the point is to have Emily Bronte on hand for all eternity, what's the sense of having her in a crappy airport paperback?
Sounds like the perfect thing for rich dorks who have acquired everything that can be acquired, except for taste.
Unfortunately all these books don't do any good if you don't read them. A prison convict with a 20-year-old paperback edition of Tolstoy has as much a chance at being well read as anyone else. That must be irritating to the millionaire who has exerted so much control over every other aspect of his life.
I've got a better idea. Let's encode the text of these thousands of books to standard ASCII. Then we'll put the entire text of these thousands of books on a blank 39 cent DVD ROM. And distribute them to our friends or list them on P2P networks.
Then we will have thousands of web sites where people from all over the world can talk and read about the individual titles. Were certain characters jerks, megamanics, fools, cowards, heroes, or just ordinary people caught in difficult circumstances.
Maybe people will get out their camcorders and make 'home movies' based on chapters or incidents of the books. Imagine 21st century movies, P2P distributed zero-budget 'productions' that use different actors for different chapters or sections of a book.
The centralized movie business from Hollywood appears to have peaked and seems to be entering a period of accelerating decline. Insanely expensive and tepid remakes of mediocre television shows specifically focused on a young audience that has little to reference its quality.
The greatest threat facing Hollywood is not that people will endless consume its product without paying, it's that people will stop thinking of Hollywood as a source of entertainment product at all. This threat is increased by the fact that the change will be invisible to Hollywood until it has developed an unstopable momentum. Hollywood may find its product repelling people in a manner similar to identical poles of magnets pushing away from each other.
Hollywood is about to find itself in the same position as the big four American auto makers did in the 1980s. Someone comes out of 'nowhere' and takes a big chunk of their market share. And nothing they can do will convince people to go back to their product.
Not to mention that if you bought them all separately, you'd get free "Super Saver" shipping. It's not a very good deal at all.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
"By our count, if you weed out the multiple translations, different editions and compilations ("The Iliad" is there four times), as well as the "portable" volumes for well-represented authors, you wind up with 1,031 books"
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1,031 books after dups and "goofy editions".
Amazon is charging the usual $3.99 for the entire order. That's a bargain all by itself, no? It ships within one and three weeks and will be fulfilled by Borders.
IIRC, one of the collections of "Great Books" Ii saw, justified leaving out the bible on the premise that nearly every American hous would have one. 'Course this was a set from the 50s, I believe. It probably wasn't terribly correct then.
Life span.
HTH.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
I read for 2 hours a day on the train to and from work and am getting through a book every 2 - 3 days so I would say that you can easily read anything with less than 500 pages in 8 hours.
Moby Dick was a bit like that and ( I think ) the only book I have started and never finished.
If you like endless ill informed speculation about whether whales are fish I'm sure it's a great book.
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Too much: Loads of stuff prized by the self-anointed intellectual elite like James Joyce.
Good stuff: lots of true classics from ancient Rome and Greece.
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For this price, you could buy a very nice PDA like device or table PC, hit Gutenberg, they have many of these books, and a lot of other not in the collection. A nice little perl script to do formatting, and you have a much better collection, and a tablet PC to boot
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Well, no free shipping, forget them. I am not buying. I wish I would have known about this before I cleared out my condo...i hope I can get my couch back
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The number of books you own increases as time passes.
The number of books you'll have time to read during the rest of your life decreases.
At some point in your life, these two lines cross.
Meaning there is a point in your life when after that, you won't live long enough to read all the books you have.
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If I was building a house (one day when I am older, and after I get married - but before i have kids) I would build a library. This would be a good way to stock your library with many titles. And it probably comes with some kind of digital list so you can sort it in your favorite database management program. Imagine that for a nice library. Honestly, I would get this if I was building a place.
Good job for Amazon marketing.
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There is at least one Enlish possessive pronoun that use an apostrophe. In particular "one's" as in "one's grammar is shite".
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Donating a set to a small town library, or school, would be a great way to set up a legacy.
The "so and so" collection. If you need a tax write off, and want to be remembered, it is a way to go.
One definition on a geocities page is usually a hint that the word was misspelled. Try Longevity instead.
for Inspector Gadget. He is the only one who would be able to read them fast enough.
For eight grand, give me 300 hardcovers and I would be much happier. Who wants a big-ass family library of paperbacks?
- 20,000 Leagues under the Sea
- Journey to the Center of the Earth
- Mysterious Island
Not to mention Invisible Man, Murder in the Rue Morgue, To Kill a Mockingbird, Roots, and more. I know they can't fit every classic into this collection but I think they could have sacrificed a few of Shakespeare's lesser known works for some more popular ones by other authors.Erik http://yakko.cs.wmich.edu/~rattles
And where do you think the libarary gets THEIR books from? I have a feeling that very few if any individuals will take advantage of this offer; it will mainly be institutions like schools and librarys.
Holy crap, I've been living a lie. I wonder how many times I've used that word.
Thanks; now I'm going to have to remember to kick myself whenever I start saying "longetivity" instead of "longevity". If I don't keep an eye on myself, I'll be saying "irregardless" any day now.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
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Copyright? Do you have any idea of what the subject is? Most of what Penguin publishes as been out of copyright for longer than they have been in business. They have no worry about things falling out of copyright, as their business model is taking books that are no copyrighted, and publishing them as cheaply as they can.
Darn it! http://amazon.ca/ isn't carrying it. Ah well, I guess I'll have to live without. :-)
Well, with the poor representation of SF, it won't sell very well to this crowd.
Many of these books aren't what I'd call classics anyway. But it's an interesting exercise in brute force marketing.
In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.
At best they're scanning. Might be good enough to get you an understanding of a simple book (most fiction work). But there is nothing particularly enjoyable in doing so (in my opinion) and they definetely miss the subtleties of the stories.
Now I am probably going to get all kinds of replies saying that no, they indeed read and absorb every last word. Sorry, I don't believe it.
Note, too, that while the original works are not in copyright for many of the Penguin classics, the translations ARE. And if you've ever seen a 19th century translation, you'll understand why someone would prefer the Penguin to the Gutenberg.
This one, yes? I can only assume that it was produced before Gutenberg started using alternate encodings for its texts. They're still not using Unicode, I don't think, which is why Greek gets transliterated (tau-epsilon-chi becomes "tekh" or something like that, for instance). A few books use Unicode, and many HTML versions use the HTML entity equivalents. Non-english text could, alas, be better. But it's a technical restriction---this is why Gutenberg proofs texts that are all or almost all in the Latin alphabet. It's not sloppiness; it's a technical limitation. I suppose when they get Unicode support running on PGDP, they'll redo some of these. I hope.
Slashdot does allow ISO 8859-1, though---ÿáý for àçcêñts, I suppose.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
How many Libraries of Congress is the Classics Collection?
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Several people have referred to the Gutenberg archive of non-copyright books. Before OCR, a book-lover had to laboriously type in a volume. OCR still has errors which much corrected. Often an individual will "adopt" a favorite book like community in Fahrenheit-451.
As for me, I just got back from lunch reading the Penguin Classics edition of Les Miserables. It's well-bound and the typography, while dense, is easy on the eyes. Sure, the thing's a cinderblock, but it's still more pleasant to read with a book beside my plate than my Treo. And it's a lot easier to skip ahead to the appendices, or backwards to remind myself what Valjean actually did for the gardender at the convent.
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Especially because Newton's is archaically named: it's about physics. Russell and Whitehead were actually setting out to lay down the principles of mathematics.
The first definition is a deviation from the norm; abnormal, irregular. The second definition is the criminal one. The third is excessive size, but the usage is considered incorrect.
Note that "enormous" has basically the same definitions, and "enormity" (which came later) was influenced by the adjective version.
There's an amusing variety of these words: enorm, enormance, enormand, enormification, enormious, enormitan, enormity, enormly, enormous, enormously, enormousness.
I should mention at this point, I've got a BA in English. Just ended up with one, because I needed something to do while I wasn't studying CS. So I have a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about.
That being said, a lot of "classics" are crap, and if I could unread some of them I would. You pick things no one disagrees with, and fail to mention things like 17 different works of Trollope, the miserable dregs of Steinbeck and Hawthorne (included because they're Steingbeck and Hawthorn) that no one would read if they knew any better, and Ulysses which routinely tops the list regardless of whether it is a "best" list or a "worst" list. 12 Books by D.H Lawrence, who should be dug up and shot for inventing the word "Demi-virge".
Add to that hundreds of volumes of ancient commentary and philosophy from Aristotle, Plato, Cicero, et al, which, while undeniably cool, is completely inaccessable to a layman. The freaking Satyricon is on that list; it's not the kind of book you can just pick up and read.
You get Ian Flemming, and you get E.M Forrester...And you get TEN books of Freud! TEN! Doesn't say you'll chop off your own penis after reading just five, but there you are.
The last thing I need is an apologist who didn't even bother to get the degree, but who is oh-so respectful of the snotty english profs I grew to detest, telling me that _I_ need a more balanced perspective. The bastards pulled the Shakespeare requirment the year after I got my degree. They PULLED the SHAKESPEARE requirement FROM the ENGLISH degree.
These are the last people who should be allowed to decide what is and isn't a classic.
ad logicam Claiming a proposition is false because it was presented as the conclusion of a fallacious argument.
Somthing is not right there... I usually put my books on the shelf side-by-side, not end-to-end. They take a lot less space that way.
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This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
A good sentiment, but depending on the size of their collection they might just toss paperbacks, they are not durable enough. And odds on they already have many of these Penguin titles, which are generally "classics", in some other form. My local library just takes donated paperbacks and puts them in their "honor system" no-checkout-required rack or sells them at the flea market fundraiser.
I woudl call and ask - my library prefers a cash donation - libraries get deep discounts on new hardcover books, they can buy the books they have demand for, and sometiems the classics are available special beefed-up library editions.
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Even with the "40% discount" this collection averages over $7.30 per book. Paperbacks of public-domain classics at several local bookstores run $2-$5.
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something doesn't add up. 828 feet of books = $8000 of books? so say these books are all about $9.99 and so there are about 828 of them - does that mean that each book is on average a foot thick? as i look around my books I see very few books approaching 4 inches thick, let alone a full foot. there's a russian - english dictionary on the shelf that's about 25cm thick; almost a foot. so if the books are more normal penguin editions they are at most half an inch thick. that's more like 20,000 books. which is a complete bargain at $0.40 per book. and even if you don't read them all, they are a valuable resource for your descendants that will keep on entertaining when the oil is all gone.
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The really sad thing is not only have I not read any of these books, but most of them I've never even heard of...
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
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I really liked the Ayn Rand overall, but I'd have to cut out about 600 pages of repetitive preaching. I even agreed with a lot of her points - the ones I got in the first 100 pages but had to re-read fifteen times throughout the book.
Short book that was nearly impossible to read: Heart of Darkness (Conrad). Long book that was really easy to read: The Stand (King). The difference? Literature "with a big 'L'" (as my favorite high school literature teacher would have said).
I sat through some really bad movies knowing that they were only two or three hours long. I'm learning to walk away if it's that bad and I don't feel terrible if they're not classics. Even though I was bored by Lawrence of Arabia, I still sat through it. But with a book that's 800 pages long, I have to invest so much time and effort to finishing it...
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Those books often are in the public domain only because their copyright has expired; back when they were created, they were created by experts. And there is no reason why a 19th century translation, commentary, or piece of literature should not still be the definitive version.
So, how much would it cost to get the all of the classics as Dover Thrifts???
If any kind soul wants to saddle me with these books, I really wouldn't mind.
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No, wait, still can't...
It is a pretty neat collection of books, though. Not neat enough that I'd finance a book purchase, however.
Yes. It's annoying isn't it?
Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
I got my Van Dorens mixed up. Easy enough to do... both Charles' father Mark Van Doren and his uncle Carl Van Doren were Pulitzer-prize winning author, and respected thinkers in their time. Charles, Mark and Carl were all graduates of, and later professors at, Columbia University.
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That's easy...
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That that is is that that that that is not is not.
Have you noticed how you have a BA in English and dislike the books that Doctorates recommend? Ever wonder why your reading slashdot now instead of teaching literature?
Ah right, it's the "natural philosophy" that's archaic, but the the "mathematical principles" makes sense in context.
I think it's fair to say that most people can read a line in way under 2 seconds. Try it, get a stopwatch and time yourself. If you can't it's probably because you are still reading out loud and using your finger.
If you had managed to understand what I'd written you'd notice that I didn't say anything about continous stretches of reading, indeed I specifically used 2 hour segments each day as my example.
Lastly, studies have shown that there is no benefit in reading "slowly" and in fact the faster you can scan text the better you are able to comprehend it. Clearly you'd still be in difficulties no matter how fast you learned to read since you are starting from such a low mental baseline.
No need to apologise but thanks anyway !
I agree, there's no correlation between reading speed and intelligence that I can see - the main factor would seem to be practice I reckon.
Also I think there's a difference between reading for pleasure and reading to understand something like quantum mechanics, in general it's a really bad idea to study a subject like that by reading a text book from cover to cover.
A far more effective technique ( I have found anyway ) is to scan the book first to get a rough idea of what to expect and the main points you will have to digest, then read a bit more of random sections and only then dive in and actually go through the book trying to learn the subject. By the time you do this you should already have a enough understanding of the text to fit in what you are reading to the bigger picture.
Honestly people, whay some of you do to your eyes is to beg disbelief.
Ask your optician or ophtalmologists what do they think about this little screen of yours....
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
And here I was imgining that the English system of measures was complicated and irrational!
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
38. Miguel de Cervantes de Saavedra, 1547-1616. Don Quixote.
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39. William Shakespeare, 1564-1616. Complete Works.
That tells me all what I need to know about this list.
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