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Is Corporate Speak Invading Your IT Department?

Worse than Political Correctness asks: "With several years of system administration under my belt, I am moving toward a slightly different role at my company. I am going from a straight system administration role to more of a high-level systems architect for a mid-sized company. There have been several promotions in our department recently, and use of this slang is growing faster than a Dave Chappell bit. Right now, I feel like unless one studies and masters the use of these pretentious buzzwords and phrases, he/she will be run over by people with worse ideas but a nicer-sounding delivery. Is corporate speak a necessary evil? " "I have noticed that as I deal more and more with upper management, selling them on products and direction, as well as with hardware/software vendors, the dreaded corporate speak slang is becoming part of my daily life. No longer is there more work to fill an already full plate, now there are 'opportunities for growth'. There are no company layoffs, there are 'realignments'. Difficult people are merely referred to as 'more challenging' than others. I dislike this non-speak as much as any person bred from a technical background. However, in order to match my new colleagues in the give and take of business life, phrases like 'functions', 'deliverables', and 'value-add' are finding their way into my vocabulary."

Is this just something one has to cope with in order to climb the corporate ladder? If you've found yourself in this position, what things did you do to cope?

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  1. You have to fight.. by Ckwop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I feel like unless one studies and masters the use of these pretentious buzzwords and phrases, he/she will be run over by people with worse ideas but a nicer-sounding delivery. Is corporate speak a necessary evil?

    No it is not, in fact, it should be resisted at all costs. Corporate speak is the opposite of language. Language is used between people to discuss ideas and express their emotions to each other. Corporate speak is used for precisely the opposite, to cloud ideas behind a vineer of self assumed intellect. Often coporate speak can be decomposed in to concepts so simple that they're essentially obvious.

    An example from one of my previous rants on this topic: "You can use the leviathan forces of attention and enthusiasm that are swirling around Web 2.0 these days as a powerful enabler to make something important and exciting happen in your organization."

    This is a fairly typical management-speak sentence but what does this actually mean? The sentence essentially boils down to a simple statement: You can use new technology as an opportunity to improve the operation of your business. I think most would agree this is an obvious, uninteresting statement and this is precisely the point I'm trying to make. People who use this language are trying to sell you something that's obvious; to sell the emperor his own clothes. If somebody can't make their point in plain english then they likely don't have a point that's worth hearing at all.

    So how do you fight it? I find the following techniques work:

    1. Ask them to explain what each term means. Example: What is Web 2.0 anyway? I haven't seen a new W3C standard called Web 2.0.
    2. Repeat what they just said in English. Rather than agreeing with what they said get them to agree to your formulation of the statement instead.
    3. If your in a position of power, if anybody submits a proposal to you using flowery terms, get them to revise their language. Tell them why you think clear language is important.

    I love our language and I love the mutual heritage shared across the many countries that speak it. Work with me to remove this cancer from our workplaces because our language is part of who we are. We simply can not allow something so abhorent to become part of our definition.

    Simon.

    1. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, I once read something very interesting in one of my linguistics textbooks.

      It seems that the more educated you are, the more likely you are to waffle and surround seemingly simple concepts with moderately difficult language.

      Well, that last sentence was an excellent example, wasn't it?

      Not to say that I'm a big fan of flowery prose or deliberate obfuscation, but don't get caught up trying to protect some intellectual idealization of 'English'. Different groups of people have different ideas of what constitutes acceptable language - that's all. Just because we don't understand another tribe's way of speaking doesn't make it any less valid.

      Dig it?

    2. Re:You have to fight.. by thewiz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Corporate speak is basically the same type of "Rah-Rah" speech you here at Amway/Mary Kay/etc conventions. It's just for pumping up peoples emotions rather than conveying useful information.

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    3. Re:You have to fight.. by timster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Language is used between people to discuss ideas and express their emotions to each other. Corporate speak is used for precisely the opposite, to cloud ideas behind a vineer of self assumed intellect.

      The problem is that the veneer is an important part of one of society's Big Lies: that people know what they are doing. The truth is that most people, even in technical fields, have no clue what they are doing and never will. Given our economic structure it is necessary to employ these people lest society collapse.

      This is most true the higher up the corporate ladder you go. An average executive could go on and on about their qualifications, but nothing they succeed at is actually hard and most of what they fail at is actually easy. How many of you believe that you could have done a better job of running HP than Carly? Personally, I think most of you are right.

      For those of you who DO know what you're doing, understand that when people talk in corporatespeak, they are trying to believe that they have skills. There's no way to win by talking corporatespeak back, as it's cleverly designed to prevent people with skills from standing out.

      I remain without a solution to the problem that corporatespeak squashes all of my great ideas, but it has occurred to me that possibly I don't know what I'm doing either, so maybe it is for the best.

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    4. Re:You have to fight.. by sexyrexy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No it is not, in fact, it should be resisted at all costs. Corporate speak is the opposite of language.

      This is not always true. Corporate speak can be used to obfuscate, confuse, impress, overwhelm, or it can simply be a particular lexicon. Just like legalese can be used to frustrate or to clarify in a way no other mode of language can.

      What if the roles were reversed? Suppose the poster is a business major who has been thrust into the IT/S division of his company, asking us business folk if he should have to learn these ridiculous technical terms in order to communicate with the people he has to deal with every day. Your advice in that situation translates to: Hell no! Fight those socially inept geeks who try to confuse the real issue by loading up on technical terms and all that garbage. Whenever a network administrator submits his network health analysis report, hand it right back to him and tell him to use plain English. We'll not be having all this "TCP/IP" garbage. What the hell does that even mean, anyway? Why can't you use an easy word we all understand, like "traffic"?

      The language of business means real things to the people who deal with it, just like technical terms mean real things to others. You make the mistake of assuming all lexicons outside your own are devoid of meaning because you don't know the meaning.

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    5. Re:You have to fight.. by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 1

      Corporate speak is the domain of middle managers. In my experience, no one with any authority or power uses terms like "C-Level" "Mission Critical" etc. You will also hear a lot of business journalists (who of course have never worked in business) use those types of terms.
      My suggestion- pull out one of the studies about how 80% of corporations (the higher ups) say communication is a huge problem... And then speak like a normal person. Note how "scalability" means something completely different to an IT guy than it does to some marketing guy who co-opted it to talk about an ad campaign... Any business communications class will tell you the fewer words the better, and the clearer the language the better....

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    6. Re:You have to fight.. by Otter · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Ask them to explain what each term means. Example: What is Web 2.0 anyway? I haven't seen a new W3C standard called Web 2.0.

      No offense, but I'd rather deal with MBA-speak than Annoying Nerd Sarcasm any day.

      And for anyone who doubts that "deliverable" is a useful term, check today's interviews with Bruce Perens and with the new Debian leader to see what happens when that concept is missing.

    7. Re:You have to fight.. by sirket · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No tech I know of wants to utter the letters/words TCP/IP around a management type. We know it won't end well so we don't go there in the first place. Tell us what you want in plain english and we will tell you if we can deliver it, the costs, and the time frame. If there are particular technical reasons that we can't make it work then we will tell you that. We can't help it if you ask for the technical reasons and then you completely fail to understand when we explain them to you.

      -sirket

    8. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come out of your fantasy land. The only thing you're in command of is that twinkie you're holding in your hand. Stop playing WoW and get a life.

      Oh yeah....FAG!!!

    9. Re:You have to fight.. by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Having worked at HP under Carly- I *know* most of them are right. It takes a special kind of incompetence to cut stock prices in half, destroy profitable divisions (calculators), bribe investors to go along with your plans (the bank of germany changed from a anti-merger to a pro-merger vote 15 minutes before the election- coinciding with a 1 billion dollar revolving loan from them), sink employee morale to all time lows, freeze raises for 4 years, have no real bonuses for 4 years (while talking about how great the numbers were), and blame it all on the employees not delivering to her vision. Oh, and have the market cap of the company go up *4 billion dollars* on the day you're fired.

      What?!?! No, I'm not bitter. I was one of the lucky ones- I got offered voluntary severance in the program the interim CEO put into effect. I consider the 5 months severance pay compensation for 4 years without a raise.

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    10. Re:You have to fight.. by Theatetus · · Score: 5, Insightful
      What if the roles were reversed? Suppose the poster is a business major who has been thrust into the IT/S division of his company, asking us business folk if he should have to learn these ridiculous technical terms in order to communicate with the people he has to deal with every day. Your advice in that situation translates to: Hell no! Fight those socially inept geeks who try to confuse the real issue by loading up on technical terms and all that garbage.

      Rubbish.

      If someone doesn't know what TCP/IP means or what a CNAME record is, I can direct him to appropriate RFCs that define them.

      Now, I wouldn't actually direct an MBA to an RFC, because his eyes would glaze over about the time he got to "this memo has unlimited distribution." But what matters is that I can direct him to such a document, because such a document exists. Tech-speak is done with well-defined terms that have standardized meaning, and it is used to clarify how we talk to each other.

      If you can point me to a document or documents standardizing terms like "Web 2.0", "enterprise", "solution", "mission-critical", "partner", etc., then I will admit my criticism of corporate speak is wrong. However, I don't think you will be able to, because those documents don't exist. Because these words' meanings are not standardized. They mean to the speaker what he imagines he means, and they mean to the listener what he imagines he hears. That, I think, is what business types don't understand when they compare themselves to techs: what we say means something, because we had to learn something objective, verifiable, and repeatable to get where we are, while they didn't.

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    11. Re:You have to fight.. by matt21811 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "You can use new technology as an opportunity to improve the operation of your business."

      There was a time when the word opportunity was a management buzword. I still hate the word. It seems to have become part of the business vocabulary even of people that hate corporate speak. Look:

      "You can use new technology to improve the operation of your business."

      Take the word out and the sentence has lost no meaning. That should be the definition of corporate speak.

    12. Re:You have to fight.. by LithiumX · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think you're missing the point of that corporate-speke sentence.

      One of the biggest reasons why techies misunderstand C-Speke so often is because they are playing a different game. They want performance, they want efficiency, and they apply skill and acumen as a business tool. Therefore direct non-abstract literalism is the preferred (and for their line of work, only) medium of exchange.

      Now put yourself in the mindset of a business strategist. He was not saying that applying a particular technology will improve their business. The most literal meaning would be "We can make use of the hype around this new technology, the nature of which may be irrelevant to our concerns, to do things marketing-wise that are bluntly obvious to everyone in this room but that we don't want to say on the record.".

      C-Speke is very rarely about the technologies or concepts it talks about - it's a way for a different industry (marketing, analysis, and general business operations) to invoke shared abstractions without having to spell out the complexities on the spot. It's to a great extent a set of euphemisms that describe the realities of business without the perceived vulgarity of clearly stating the obvious. It's also very often a means of incorporating technical concepts that you cannot assume the target has an understanding of, and instead allows you to skip to the applicable part - the results.

      For instance... without business speak, many innocuous statements would be forced to say exactly what they mean... such as:

      "It is the belief of our marketing department that the tactics we will shortly propose will take advantage of the inherent weaknesses in the judgement of our clientele, as per our extensive research and marketing experiments, driving a wedge between them and our competition. Such a result can be taken advantage of with quick manuevering and specifically targetted activity. This action is quasi-legal according to our legal department, but with enough obfuscation we can get away with it. Covering this up requires a significant change in our business practices, which we must find a confusing means of portraying in a positive light."

      The fun part for the rest of you is to convert that honest statement into classic Corporate Speke. Remember, other C-Speakers should be able to get the gist of it, but you can't actually SAY what you mean.

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    13. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



      I've always had one foot in technology and another foot in business, so it's never been clear to me why neither camp can understand the other. Yet I always keep trying to explain...

      Anyway, here's a blinding flash of the obvious:
      Every discipline has its own vocabulary.

      Do you think that business managers have any less disdain for "technobabble" than you do for "corporate speak"? Let me ruin the suspense for you: they don't.

      It further frustrates me that people in a specific discipline can't recognize that other disciplines probably (!) have as much intrinsic value as their own. You look down on corporate speak because to you managers (or anyone on the "business" side of the house) don't actually do anything useful. They just blabber on about "opportunity costs" and "engaging growth" and yada yada yada. Well, another blinding flash of the obvious: they feel the same way about you. To them geeks are just nerds with expensive toys who just blabber on about "command line interface" and "data integrity" and yada yada yada.

      You can't understand them because you don't possess the knowledge they do. They can't understand you because they don't possess the knowledge you do.

      I'll save the rambling about liberal arts education that I'm tempted to fall into...

    14. Re:You have to fight.. by jgrahn · · Score: 1
      An example from one of my previous rants on this topic: "You can use the leviathan forces of attention and enthusiasm that are swirling around Web 2.0 these days as a powerful enabler to make something important and exciting happen in your organization." [...] The sentence essentially boils down to a simple statement: You can use new technology as an opportunity to improve the operation of your business. I think most would agree this is an obvious, uninteresting statement [...]

      Actually, I read it as "if you are ruthless, you can exploit the hype around Web 2.0 to rise on the corporate ladder". Seriously.

    15. Re:You have to fight.. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      You give them too much credit. What that paragraph actually says, translated roughly into geek, is that you can use some new web stuff and the hype surrounding it to make something. It might even be shiny.

    16. Re:You have to fight.. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      If the techie doesn't have the ability to make his point understood clearly to a layperson then he shouldn't be promoted, but remain a techie. Why is it that executives and managers seem to ONLY get promoted if they can succeed in not being able to communicate clearly?

      I work in biomedical engineering. If you want to succeed you have to know enough about medicine, biology, computers and engineering to talk to all those people intelligently and clearly, which almost always means terms a layman would have little trouble understanding.

    17. Re:You have to fight.. by JoeLinux · · Score: 1

      Note: I am an engineer and refuse to use corporate speak at any level. I will translate and use the english-variant at any meeting. I passed out randomized buzzword bingo sheets at a meeting with our client. And won.

      That said, your comment has me a little confused:

      Web 2.0
      Dead on -- Buzzword. Gots ta' go.

      Enterprise
      Besides the USS variant, when I used to work IT, "Enterprise" meant anything over 10,000 users. it was assumed that at that level, you needed to have something that had that kind of load in mind when installed over a network.

      Solution
      That one I'm kinda iffy on. As a freelance IT guy for a while, most of my clients would start with "I have a problem" "Solution" was the answer to their problem. Whatever I told them to go buy. I was told it is a military derivative: a "firing solution" is a case where the shooter is almost guaranteed a hit.

      Mission-Critical
      Buzzword. Use "Urgent" "Immediate attention" etc.

      Partner
      I was told this is used because virtually nobody goes to business together much anymore. So, "Business Partner" on a project wouldn't apply. "Partner" indicates that for this certain project, they are with us, even though for other projects, they might be a competitor.

      Ok, That's my $.02. (That's 1.3 canadian, ya damn canucks! :) )

    18. Re:You have to fight.. by Karma+Farmer · · Score: 5, Funny
      Some definitions:
      Web 2.0: Snake Oil
      Solution: Expensive Snake Oil
      Enterprise: Very Expensive Snake Oil
      Mission Critical: Indispensable Snake Oil
      Partner: Snake Oil Salesman
    19. Re:You have to fight.. by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 5, Funny

      You forgot "And look like a totally hot MILF the entire time." I think that HP might have downsized, but I certainly was feeling upsized whenever I got a gander at her. Yummay.

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    20. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Rubbish

      Now, I wouldn't actually direct an MBA to an RFC, because his eyes would glaze over about the time he got to "this memo has unlimited distribution." But what matters is that I can direct him to such a document, because such a document exists. Tech-speak is done with well-defined terms that have standardized meaning, and it is used to clarify how we talk to each other.

      because we had to learn something objective, verifiable, and repeatable to get where we are, while they didn't.

      I hate the people in my industry. There is a reason that we're not always looked at with well regard by intelligent managers and executives. Our waters are polluted with elitests with views like that.

    21. Re:You have to fight.. by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      Am I missing some major sarcasm here? Have you ever actually seen a picture of her?

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    22. Re:You have to fight.. by nasch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If what you say is true, then it doesn't improve anything. Now I object to c-speak because it's slimy, not because it's stupid. If you're doing something you're ashamed of, don't find some way to talk about it that masks your shame, stop doing it. If you're doing something you're not ashamed of, don't be afraid to talk about it clearly.

    23. Re:You have to fight.. by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      You can't understand them because you don't possess the knowledge they do. They can't understand you because they don't possess the knowledge you do. And both sides like it that way.

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    24. Re:You have to fight.. by nasch · · Score: 1
      The question is, what's the purpose of manager-speak? Some possibilites:
      1. Communicate faster and more precisely
      2. Make the speaker sound more important or knowledgeable
      3. Exclude those who don't speak it
      4. Conceal the dishonorable nature of the subject matter via euphemism
      5. Reduce liability through purposeful vagueness
      Maybe there are others I'm not thinking of. Now 1 is a possibility, but the others seem more likely to me. This is (IMO) different from Geekspeak, because there #1 is definitely of primary importance. 2 and 3 often come into play as well, but I'm not aware of any cases of 4 or 5. At worst, I would say Geek is used much less often for those purposes than Manager. What do you think?
    25. Re:You have to fight.. by meme_police · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But it's not all rah rah. One of the words mentioned in the question, deliverable, is something that IT forgets about and is why many projects never meet deadlines or actually get finished. I cannot begin to tell you how many projects I see floundering because the developers don't know that they have to deliver something.

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    26. Re:You have to fight.. by LithiumX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The usual result of letting morality get in the way of (regular) business is... bankruptcy, or at the very least being surpassed. This doesn't include outright immoral acts (such as Enron, etc), but anyone with a soul would feel bad abusing human weaknesses, twisting the truth, and spinning alternate logic. However... because of those weaknesses, the best products and the best services can (usually) only compete with even grossly inferior ones if they get their hands at least a little dirty. The larger the scale, the more extreme the methods tend to get just to stay afloat.

      The fact that most of the larger corporations seem to revel in C-Speak might suggest that while C-Speak might have it's flaws, the mindset it produces seems to be a better competitor than wholesome from-the-heart lets-do-business, or the more direct (and vicious) eat-their-lunch mentality that dominated the 80's.

      Of course, it could just as easily be that C-Speak is just a social disease that carries best in a corporate environment.

      Either way, when a "consumate professional" abuses C-Speak to communicate better with his peers than the direct but more communicatively challenged (oh lord now I'm doing it) techie who's behind a project, and does so to steal that tech's thunder... it is the tech's job to quietly and efficiently demonstrate how the C-Speaker's hijacking is detrimental to the morale (and more imporantly, loyalty) of the technicians that even most middle-managers (silently) realize is what's driving much of their company.

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    27. Re:You have to fight.. by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1, Funny

      I have a picture that I can barely make out through the sticky goodness layered on top. God I love that woman. Ok bye now me and Carly have another date.

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    28. Re:You have to fight.. by cruachan · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If you can point me to a document or documents standardizing terms like "Web 2.0", "enterprise", "solution", "mission-critical", "partner", etc., then I will admit my criticism of corporate speak is wrong.

      Just because a word or phrase doesn't have a standardized definition doesn't mean to say it's not useful. Quite the contary in fact. For example you cannot point me at a document that gives a standard definition of the phrase "In Love". I'm also sure it has subtly different meanings for different people, nevertheless this is an extremely useful concept that is a major driving force in human society.

      In fact fuzzy concepts are generally much more important than precisely defined ones. "Freedom" perhaps. "Duty" might be another one. "Honour" has fallen out of favour of late in the west but wars were fought because of it. Dozens of others too - "Justice", "Liberty", "Fairness" etc. etc.

      Which isn't to say that much corporate speak isn't bullshit - of course it is. However a concept that is fuzzy at the edges can be useful precisely because it isn't well defined.

    29. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    30. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many people don't use TCP/IP in the correct meaning (Transport Control Protocol / Internet Protocol), but simply want to say "it runs over the Internet". People frequently say TCP/IP when they really just mean IP. People say SIP and mean SIP and RTP. The list goes on and on. "Web 2.0" is no more diffuse than any of the more technical terms in a strategic discussion. Yes, technical people need to learn how to use language to convey ideas rather than facts outside their field. They do it all the time when they talk about technology, but find it repelling when the business people do it on their turf.

    31. Re:You have to fight.. by jschrod · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Mission-Critical
      Buzzword. Use "Urgent" "Immediate attention" etc.
      At those IT shops where I do consulting, the terms "mission-critical", "business important", or "business foundation" are defined very precisely in the Service Level Agreements, as categories of systems with defined availability demands, defined maximum outage times, and defined RTO/RPO for disaster recovery. The category "mission-critical" has often additional associated service level requirements, e.g., maximum answer times for end users.

      And this is quite standard in most current SLA contracts that I have seen. So, while the OP and you think that these are buzzwords, in well-run IT shops they have very specific and very precise meaning.

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    32. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      An example from one of my previous rants on this topic: "You can use the leviathan forces of attention and enthusiasm that are swirling around Web 2.0 these days as a powerful enabler to make something important and exciting happen in your organization." This is a fairly typical management-speak sentence but what does this actually mean? The sentence essentially boils down to a simple statement: You can use new technology as an opportunity to improve the operation of your business.
      Actually, it's not saying that at all. It's saying you can use the attention surrounding the tecnhology to improve the business. You should use the technology not because it can do good things for you, but because everyone else is. So the statement is not only overly longwinded, but it represents a bad idea.
    33. Re:You have to fight.. by barefootgenius · · Score: 1

      To quote William Strunk,"Rule Seventeen. Omit needless words! Omit needless words! Omit needless words!"

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    34. Re:You have to fight.. by ray-auch · · Score: 1, Insightful
      If someone doesn't know what TCP/IP means or what a CNAME record is, I can direct him to appropriate RFCs that define them.


      Just like your MBA will point you to the definitions of P&L, EBITDA, Gross Profit, etc.


      Now, I wouldn't actually direct an MBA to an RFC, because his eyes would glaze over about the time he got to "this memo has unlimited distribution."


      Depending on your MBA. Some of them have a tech background and could probably recite the history of the RFC. Or maybe you think they couldn't because they'd be poor/failed techs who couldn't hack it and did the MBA as an easy way out ? Certianly wouldn't be renowned kernel programmers now would they... oh, wait...


      But what matters is that I can direct him to such a document, because such a document exists. Tech-speak is done with well-defined terms that have standardized meaning, and it is used to clarify how we talk to each other.


      Bullshit. Some tech terms are well defined and standardised (just like some business terms).

      Others are ambiguous, vague, domain/language/product dependent or just "defined" differently depending on who you speak to.

      [ How many copies of a one gigabyte file fit in two gigbytes of RAM, how many fit on a forty gigbyte hard drive, how many bits are in each of those bytes and how many seconds would the file take to send over a 1-kilobit-per-second link ?]

      Even when there is one, having an RFC or other "standard" that defines a term is no use in understanding unless that document is itself clear. Which is "better" - having no agreed definition (c-speak) or having (or claiming to have) a "standard" definition that is in fact ambiguous ?

      Can techies even get "unambiguous" right in the first place ?


      The allowable regular expressions are those that are "unambiguous" as defined by the standard. Unfortunately, the standard's use of the term "unambiguous" does not correspond to the two well known notions, since not all regular languages are denoted by "unambiguous" expressions. Furthermore, the standard's definition of "unambiguous" is somewhat vague. Therefore, we provide a precise definition of "unambiguous expressions" and rename them deterministic regular expressions to avoid any confusion.


      well, somewhat vaguely it would appear...
    35. Re:You have to fight.. by iserlohn · · Score: 2, Informative

      You'll want this book -

      Why Business People Speak Like Idiots : A Bullfighter's Guide (Hardcover)
      by Brian Fugere, Chelsea Hardaway, Jon Warshawsky
      ISBN: 0743269098

    36. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You claim to love the English language and yet you misspell veneer. Your point has less impact when you communicate ineffectively.

    37. Re:You have to fight.. by tntguy · · Score: 1

      On Slashdot, In Love is a buzzword!

    38. Re:You have to fight.. by AnotherUsername · · Score: 1

      Manager speak is definately not #1. When managers ask me to do something, and they use their corporate speak, I ask them to just tell me exactly what it is they want, without the flowery language. They usually tell me that they will get back to me on the specifics, proving my assumption that they truly have no idea what they are doing. A fellow programmer, however, will be able to quickly and specifically tell me what exactly the program is supposed to accomplish, and what features are needed.

      My guess is that the order is as follows: 2, 5, 4, 3. #1 is not an option for corporate speak.

      Screw business majors and their faux degrees.

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    39. Re:You have to fight.. by Theatetus · · Score: 1
      Just like your MBA will point you to the definitions of P&L, EBITDA, Gross Profit, etc.

      And I've got very high regard for MBAs who stick to things they know like P&L, EBITDA, Gross profit (and incidentally, I at least know a naive definition of all those; I don't expect a business person to have to baby step everything for me). It's the ones who think that that knowledge translates into all the knowledge neccessary to make every decision about a business that bug me.

      How many copies of a one gigabyte file fit in two gigbytes of RAM, how many fit on a forty gigbyte hard drive, how many bits are in each of those bytes and how many seconds would the file take to send over a 1-kilobit-per-second link ?

      In order: not quite 2, 39 in an ideal filesystem (rather less in most implemented ones), 8 on all modern architectures, 1,000,000 seconds plus carrier protocol overhead. "kilobyte" and "byte" do have different meanings in different contexts, but that does not imply ambiguity; the meaning in each context is defined. (Though "one gigabyte file" is not clearly defined; you could mean a file with a disk image of 1 gigabyte, or a file with a memory image of 1 gigabyte. Since gigabyte means something different in memory than it does in storage, that would need some clarification. The convention of capitalizing G,M, K etc. to mean powers of 2 and lowercasing g, m, k to mean powers of 10 is helpful, but not standard.)

      Can techies even get "unambiguous" right in the first place ?
      [snip of RE definition of "unambiguous"]

      Now, see, I think that's actually a very good example. The meaning of "unambiguous" in the context of that standard needed to be clear enough that all implementations could be verifiably compliant. I don't see anything wrong with specifying what "unambiguous" means in that context.

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    40. Re:You have to fight.. by snuf23 · · Score: 3, Funny

      "If you can point me to a document or documents standardizing terms like "Web 2.0", "enterprise", "solution", "mission-critical", "partner", etc., then I will admit my criticism of corporate speak is wrong."

      Lol n00b! Like you even understand the Internets.

      Web 2.0: This is when Microsoft made the new Internets with Internet Explorer. Because the bearded old people who made Web 1.0 all died and no one can understand UNIX any more without them.

      enterprise: Ever heard of Star Trak????? This was teh first shuttle spaceship, it lasted 3 years out a five year mission then crashed into Florida.

      solution: if you had contacts you would realize this is what you put in your eyes to keep them wet, but nope you sure are to be a four-eyed geek! oh noes the nerds!

      mission-critical: the movie with Tom Cruise doing spy stuff. Come on this is really important to know about because of the terrorists. How can you do security if you don't know the secrets?

      partner: yeah no wonder you don't know - cus you never had one! except your hand!

      omgwtfbbqroflcopterslollercoasters

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    41. Re:You have to fight.. by Watson+Ladd · · Score: 1

      Mission-Critical is a good term. It means sine quo non in english. Urgent implies time limit, while critical implies its on the critical path of a Gnatt chart. My EUR0.02

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    42. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The problem is that the veneer is an important part of one of society's Big Lies: that people know what they are doing. The truth is that most people, even in technical fields, have no clue what they are doing and never will. Given our economic structure it is necessary to employ these people lest society collapse.
      As an aside, I think it's amazing that, given that most people don't know what they're doing, we've gotten as far as we have and are doing as well as we are.
    43. Re:You have to fight.. by GFunk83 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      New technology is an "opportunity" to improve one's business. It is not necessarily an improviment in and of itself.

      The problem with your statment is that "new technology" may not improve your business by itself. It probably needs to be implemented correctly, staff needs to be trained, etc.

      This is not to say that I disagree with you, I just think that's a bad example.

    44. Re:You have to fight.. by jftitan · · Score: 1

      It really doesn't help that when you explain the technical reasons why certain things wont work the way they expect them to work. That the bastard sales person uses corpspeak to give your management types the feeling that it "CAN" be done using their product.

        I was tasked with setting up a new AD server for a company that wanted to continue using peer to peer based file sharing. My explaination to the management, was that the current server did not meet system requirements & that it was unnecessary to move out of a functioning system, with room for upto %63 growth.

        What I didn't know, was a sales person from a consulting IT firm came in and informed management in corpspeak, that in order to be sucessful in the coming years WE had to upgrade.

        With all my 'plain-english' explainations about why it was unnecessary to 'upgrade' I made sure to get things in writing, and my letters signed and noted of my objections.

        I spent over 200 hours trying to upgrade hardware, to buying new hardware to replace the current servers. To upgrading to the consulting firms requirements for the software management purchased. Only to end up scraping the whole project in whole. (return the old server)

        I wasn't objectionable to the point I tried everything to prevent the success of the project (or did I?) but I did everything to try and make the whole system work.

        When it came down to blame, I knew that the consulting IT firm was going to blame me, (because of all the phone calls I made complaining about the lack of "insert word here"), that it was apparent they were going to blame me.

        Since I had written documentation, and proof of all problems PRIOR to the project, I was able to keep my job (plus a contract re-negociation) and the manager that purchased the project, bit the dust.

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      "Don't Forget to Salt the Fries"
    45. Re:You have to fight.. by Odin_Tiger · · Score: 1
      We can't help it if you ask for the technical reasons and then you completely fail to understand when we explain them to you.
      Get that shit in writing! Roughly half the time that you explain, on a technical level, why something won't work and the other person clearly fails to understand, they will attempt to justify moving forward with it. They would not have asked you about it if they didn't already feel like it was a good idea. In fact, in some ways, they may feel that not moving forward is, in a way, admitting that they were wrong or being stupid about something. When that happens, you -must- find out who is involved, email all of them, and use that little 'notify me when this message is read' feature. Keep all the evidence. Pass out hard-copy memos. Don't over-do it, just a little, "Hey, John asked me about the technical feasibility of _____. After speaking with him and having time for my thoughts on the issue to settle, I thought I'd send you all a more thorough and coherent outline of why I think this won't work." (Don't actually bold that last.) Why? Because you -know- that when they do go through with it and it all fails miserably, it's going to come back on you to some degree. It failed, and you, who should have known that it wouldn't work, were involved at an advisory level. Just a little C.Y.A. from a guy who's been there, done that, and got out alive, thanks to a healthy dose of paranoia.
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      Unpleasantries.
    46. Re:You have to fight.. by JoeDuncan · · Score: 1
    47. Re:You have to fight.. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Put it this way: would you want your physician communicating with your heart surgeon about your upcoming quadruple-bypass operation using corporate-speak? Odds are they'd part you out by accident. Doctors also have their own dialect, just like most professions. Those specialized terms exist so that practitioners of a particular discipline can communicate quickly and efficiently with each other. Yes, jargon is often confusing to the uninitiated ... but it can be an effective form of verbal shorthand.

      Corporate-speak is the diametric opposite of true jargon, being composed of terms designed to prevent effective communication at all costs, to present an impression of meaning when in fact there is none. This has the added benefit of making the corporate-speak user virtually immune to any form of accountability, since he didn't actually say anything.

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      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
    48. Re:You have to fight.. by OscarGunther · · Score: 1

      Wimp. Submitter's a wimp too.

      Language occurs in context. You work in IT, you use IT-speak; you work in business, you use business-speak. In both contexts, the specific jargon serves to separate the initiates from the posers. I demand that users know the difference between "memory" and "storage," and they have a corresponding right to demand that I distinguish "value chain" from "value-add."

    49. Re:You have to fight.. by TheSkyIsPurple · · Score: 1

      Bull.

      Business speak is very often about managing relationships between people, managing expectations, setting mood... finesse.
      Business speak, when used correctly, is about using language structures in addition to language to provide additional cues. (sort of like why a good fiction writer doesn't always say "he walked down the street"... sometimes he sauntered, sometimes he merrily skipped...)

      Part of the reason is also that the cynical among us really get attached to what a phrase "really means". Certain forms of business speak can help get through that. What's the difference between "lowering the threshhold of decision making", "enabling workers to self manage", or "letting folks do what needs done"? It depends on the context of who is saying it, the culture in the environment, and the context of who is receiving it. ie, just like any other form on non technical communication.

      Some business speak is BS, and much of it is just non-commital lazy speech... But it's not as bad as it sounds if you'll give some benefit of the doubt and try to really understand the person using the speech (as non cynically as possible).

      Communicating with another human in speech or writing is not as simple as selecting predefined phrases from a canonical list.

      Might just be me... I prefer to expect a little good in folks and get dissapointed from time to time, than to always look for the bad and never be disappointed.

    50. Re:You have to fight.. by mrraven · · Score: 1

      I on the otherhand am in favor of proactively enabling corporate speak to empower syergistic team oriented strategies to leverage right sized profits in INDIA.

      --
      Tired of all the isms, don't exploit people as an employer, or a government, mmmmK?
    51. Re:You have to fight.. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      I don't know ... I suppose it depends upon your definition of "corporate speak" or "business speak". As a software engineer I have spent countless hours over the years working with business, marketing, sales and management people of all stripes. I have never had any difficulty whatsoever in communicating with them by using the language correctly. I suppose if you're at some kind of pump-up-the-sales-force ("go get 'em, rah rah rah!") meeting you can get all flowery: but good communication involves knowing how to use your language, and knowing enough of the other guy's specialized terms to make communication efficient. Unnecessary embellishment simply gets in the way.

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      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
    52. Re:You have to fight.. by Velk · · Score: 1

      Your definition is backwards

      It's like defining a dangerous chemical as one which has special handling rules. It has special handling rules because it is dangerous, it's not dangerous because it has special handling rules.
      Same deal with mission critical systems - they have a well defined SLA because they are mission critical, they aren't mission critical because they have a well defined SLA.

      Think about it - did you tell your business users what was mission critical or did you ask them ?

    53. Re:You have to fight.. by Mr.+Lucas+Brice · · Score: 1

      The idea that using technical computer jargon is the same as using ridiculous corporate euphemisms bespeaks a a lack of understanding.

      Corporatespeak is used where there are already perfectly clear and adequate words available. They're used for a variety of reasons, none of them good. Just what the hell are "Human Resources" anyway? It reminds me of Soylent Green.

      Technical jargon might be unitelligible to the lay person, but it is descriptive, that is, it has meaning. TCP/IP means TCP/IP, a router is a router, it's not a stupid euphemism for something else. I don't understand the names of the tools that a doctor uses, but that's not because doctors call scalpels "portable epidermal biforcators," it's because I'm not a doctor. Likewise, I don't know all the names of parts of an airplane, because I'm not a pilot or a aircraft mechanic.

      Do you see the difference? One is language that is deliberately manipulated to create an in crowd and for public relations purposes, and the other is jargon that's not understood by someone who doesn't do that type of work. You can't equate the two.

    54. Re:You have to fight.. by tech_man563 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A few years back I was working for a big company and IBM wanted to present a change to their product line that would impact a major project we were working on. The technology was about to change drastically and I got us an invitation to their development center. When IBM asked our president who from our company should participate he said not to invite me because "he'll only ask a bunch of technical questions and we'll get bogged down". This was a technical briefing we were supposed to attend. Obviously I don't corporate speak.

    55. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > 3. If your in a position of power, if anybody submits a proposal
      > to you using flowery terms, ..(snip)..
      >
      > I love our language and I love the mutual heritage shared across
      > the many countries that speak it.

      You do, eh? Then maybe you meant to say, "If you are in a position,"
      or failing that, "If you're in a position...."

    56. Re:You have to fight.. by TheSkyIsPurple · · Score: 1

      >Unnecessary embellishment simply gets in the way.

      Totally agreed!

      I'm sorry, "agreed" would have been just as good, wouldn't it?... the "Totally" and the exclamation mark were superfluous.
      Or were they? Did I mean something different from just a simple "agreed"? Hard to tell what is necessary sometimes =-)

      The fact that it looks unnecessary to you may mean you just don't understand why the other person thinks it is necessary.
      Then again, it might just be a sign that they're undisciplined and lazy.

    57. Re:You have to fight.. by matt21811 · · Score: 1

      Maybe you have a different definition of the word "can" to me.
      If it helps, substitute "might" or "may".

    58. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet India, proactively enabling corporate speak to empower syergistic team oriented strategies to leverage right sized profits is in favor of YOU.

    59. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All MBA's should be forced to read "Politics and the English Language" by George Orwell at least once a week. Orwell's talking about politics for the most part, but corpspeak is certainly the mewling child of Newspeak.

      Orwell's essay:

      http://www.resort.com/~prime8/Orwell/patee.html

    60. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm certain there's a lame self-referential joke in there somewhere, but I'm buggered if I can find it.

    61. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "No offense, but I'd rather deal with MBA-speak than Annoying Nerd Sarcasm any day."

      i'm sorry, why exactly, did you say, were you reading slashdot then?

    62. Re:You have to fight.. by plover · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Actually, we use "mission critical", but only because we mean it. If our software were to fail on a large scale, it would be bad for our company. Redundant data paths, communications paths and backup databases help, but our application has to run even when completely offline.

      I don't know if your mythical business communications classes exist anymore. I haven't seen enough clearly written communications lately to believe such advice was ever given!

      I've recently read two really good books about corporate-speak. The first was "Death Sentences" by Don Watson, and the second was "Your Call Is Important To Us: The Truth About Bullshit" by Laura Penny. Penny's book points out the pervasive use of bullshit in our culture -- how the lies are indeed being repeated by the liars so often that they don't even know when they're lying any more. It's fairly entertaining in a depressing sort of way; it points out a lot of problems in our society, but offers no real solutions. It has a very leftist slant -- I don't know if that's because the writer is leftist, or because the current administration happens to be right wing.

      Watson's book, on the other hand, pleads for us to clean up our writing, and offers useful advice. Of the two, I'd highly recommend Death Sentences if you're interested in improving your own writing. I'd recommend Penny's book only if you'd rather explore the lies our culture seems to be built upon.

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      John
    63. Re:You have to fight.. by Hao+Wu · · Score: 1
      If someone doesn't know what TCP/IP means or what a CNAME record is, I can direct him to appropriate RFCs that define them.

      I worked at a computer education place where the CEO made up acronyms that stood for NOTHING. Even though they were all-caps, the individual letters had no meaning whatsoever; they were just capitalized words used to refer to her dumb programs, and nothing else.

      I can see doing that as a joke - if you had a sick sense of humor - but this wasn't the case. She was just plain dumb. (... she was also so high on herself, she practically wanted a corporate chopper despite that we were only 40 people in the whole outfit).

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    64. Re:You have to fight.. by midknight32 · · Score: 2, Informative

      A perfect example disassembling similar obfuscation in writing, and political writing in particular is this one from George Orwell.

    65. Re:You have to fight.. by slashdot.org · · Score: 1

      If someone doesn't know what TCP/IP means or what a CNAME record is, I can direct him to appropriate RFCs that define them.

      Bandwidth, Function, Procedure, Assembly, Object Oriented, Dynamic HTML, Reboot, BIOS, OS, Real-time, Hard-real-time, Connectivity, Java Beans, Data Mining, Scrubbing, Reflection, Spurious Interrupt, VRAM, I/O Constrained, Memory Leak, Cache Latency, Burst Mode, Jiffies, Extreme Programming, Double Buffering, Asynchronous, Isynchronous, Thrashing ... I'm getting tired.

    66. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about "New technology may improve your business"?

    67. Re:You have to fight.. by masterzora · · Score: 1

      I hope you were trying to prove the GP's point, since that is what you did.

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    68. Re:You have to fight.. by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      There is no solid distinction between memory and storage. HDD space is memory. RAM can be storage (ever hear of solid state or non-volatile RAM?). You might infer that storage is of a more permenent nature than memory, but such a distinction is not explicitly stated.

      Of course, since the first words out of your mouth (into your keyboard?) were that the parent and original submitter were "wimps", I'm probably just feeding a (corporate-speaking) troll.

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    69. Re:You have to fight.. by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "You can use new technology to improve the operation of your business." Take the word out and the sentence has lost no meaning.

      I can do even better! Look:

      Technology can improve your business!

      I win!

      However, by shortening the sentence, I make it easier for someone to understand the meaning and say, "But it might not help your business, either." In the long form, one must attack the "new" and the "operation" before they get to the "improve". Corporate speech, rather than being useless, is a highly structured artform used to deflect potential attack and responsibility. Anyone in business will eventually need to engage on this field of battle. As such, it should not be shunned, but recognized and mastered for the useful tool it is.

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      That is all.
    70. Re:You have to fight.. by Temujin_12 · · Score: 1
      it's a way for a different industry (marketing, analysis, and general business operations) to invoke shared abstractions without having to spell out the complexities on the spot


      Good point. My only objection is that these "abstractions" are not always "shared" and are often abused. When the scope of the project is built upon abstractions that are not defined, it is almost always doomed to fail as the IT department is left to implement the broadest definition of the abstraction that can be imagined.

      If you're going to use the "abstractions" of corporate talk to make the sale that's fine. But before you build the contract, or proposal, you MUST define things technically to protect both you and the client or boss.

      Not that this has ever happened to me...
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    71. Re:You have to fight.. by colinrichardday · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'll give some of them a go:

      Bandwidth -- the rate at which data can be transmitted through a channel, usually expressed in some multiple of bytes per second.

      Function -- A piece of code that does (ideally) one task.

      Assembly -- A language for programming closer to a processor. Used for speed/size at the cost of portability.

      Reboot -- Turning the computer off and on again.

      OS -- A program or set of programs that underlie the computer's functioning, generally including memory management (making sure that applications don't write over each other's data), file management (maintaining files), and device drivers.

      Real-time -- Of an OS, an OS with short latencies (time to respond to input). Generally used to regulate devices in the absence of human intervention.

      Hard-real-time -- As above, where the latencies can be guaranteed to be no more than a certain amount.

      VRAM
      Volatile RAM -- RAM that requires power.

      Virtual RAM -- The use of disk space as a substitute for (physical) RAM, cheaper but slower.

      I/O constrained -- Of a process, that the process waits for data to move around, as opposed to waiting on the CPU, or waiting for RAM.

      Memory leak -- A (bad) condition where a program takes more and more memory without giving it back.

      Jiffy -- The minimum amount of time that a computer can deal with.

      People, start your flamethrowers ;-)

    72. Re:You have to fight.. by Scaba · · Score: 1

      You've misquoted Mr. Strunk. Rule #17 is: "In summaries, keep to one tense." Rule #13 suggests we "Omit needless words," but only once. The text of the rule is an example of the rule.

    73. Re:You have to fight.. by dpotter · · Score: 1
      "You can use the leviathan forces of attention and enthusiasm that are swirling around Web 2.0 these days as a powerful enabler to make something important and exciting happen in your organization."
      This is a fairly typical management-speak sentence but what does this actually mean? The sentence essentially boils down to a simple statement: You can use new technology as an opportunity to improve the operation of your business
      No, it doesn't. While I don't much care for word choice in the previous sentence, it certainly expresses more than your summary in some respects and less in others.

      The key point of the sentence is that change is made possible because of current technology buzz and excitement surrounding Web 2.0. Your summary doesn't mention attention, excitement or Web 2.0! It loses the key point entirely, and instead makes a different point: That new technologies (in general) can be used to improve business operation.

      The original sentence makes no such generalization, nor does it imply that the "important and exciting" thing is related to business operation.

      IMHO, your deconstruction is neither summary nor paraphrase, but a different statement entirely.

    74. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [ How many copies of a one gigabyte file fit in two gigbytes of RAM, how many fit on a forty gigbyte hard drive, how many bits are in each of those bytes and how many seconds would the file take to send over a 1-kilobit-per-second link ?]

      2 One GiByte files fit into 2 GiByte of memory, 37 One GiByte files fit on a 40 GByte hard drive, all of that stuff has 8 bits per Byte, while it takes about 8589934 seconds to transmit that over a 1kbit link which I think is about 99 days or so.

      I hoipe I got it right, but go look up KiByte, MiByte, GiByte ...

    75. Re:You have to fight.. by something_wicked_thi · · Score: 1

      I must disagree with your premise. Novelists excel at choosing words well, but business speak is not the same thing. The words chosen by novelists are chosen for a reason, just as the words chosen by the business people are chosen for a reason. Those reasons differ. The novelist chooses words to describe something, and the right word can really help the reader see what the novelist is trying to portray.

      I find it odd that you speak of how the "cynical among us get attached to what a phrase 'really means'." The purpose of language is to convey meaning, emotion, etc. The better the choice of words is at conveying that meaning in a clear, succinct, and unambiguous way, the better is the speaker at using language.

      If we were to be uncharitable, therefore, then we would assume that people who practice business speak are poor with language. No doubt, there are people who use business speak because they are unable to conceive better words that describe their meaning, so they mimic those around them. However, I believe that the real reason that most people use such poor language is they no longer realize they are doing it or they are trying to be ambiguous.

      People in the first group have fallen victim to peer pressure. They learned to abuse language from others when there was nobody else there to help them. Most probably don't even realize they have a problem. Some do, like the original poster who asked the question. He knows that relenting would contribute to the problem, but he is also unsure whether he is capable of winning on his own grounds.

      The second category is where most of the cynics lay their criticisms. The members of this group deliberately use language in a circumspect manner to dilute or destroy its meaning. These people are not only the enemies of language, as suggested above - they are essentially con artists. They are either protecting their own incompetence by shrouding it in eloquence or trying to sell smoke and mirrors by conjuring an illusion. It is these people who make such abuse of language not just a cancer of the English language, but a menace to productivity and invention.

    76. Re:You have to fight.. by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      How many of you believe that you could have done a better job of running HP than Carly? Personally, I think most of you are right.

      Well, duh! Pick a higher standard. Jack Welch should be a hard act to follow. Carly, not so much.

      --
      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
    77. Re:You have to fight.. by SlowMovingTarget · · Score: 1
      ..it's a way for a different industry (marketing, analysis, and general business operations) to invoke shared abstractions without having to spell out the complexities on the spot.

      I disagree. It is most often used as a way to escape verbs. Corporate or market-speak dilutes statements with adjectives until any action or direct conviction has been removed. After all, direct conviction might offend, a call for direct action might shock.

      Corporate-speak does not abstract. Abstraction allows for more powerful expression. Corporate-speak hides the truth. Whether the truth be that the speaker doesn't really have anything relevant to say, or that the truth is distasteful and offensive when clearly understood, the speaker excuses him or herself with imprecise, indirect phrasing.

      You are right in one sense. Corporate-speak is designed to form a kind of secret handshake, separating employees from employers, executives from workers. But its primary purpose is to muddle meaning.

      For example, "Our value-added processes empower communication." This is an empty phrase; cotton-candy for the mind. It feels good to spin, great to eat, but leaves one with an empty, dull nausea. When did it become more effective to hide the truth than to operate with a strong grasp of it?

      The worst part is that so many do confuse corporate-speak for a system of abstractions and brandish it as though they were accomplishing actual work. They string together more and more words and say less and less. In the end, they will accomplish nothing, while droning on endlessly about ROI.

      (grumble, grumble...)

      Personally, I'd much prefer speech that used metaphor and nuance, beauty and artistry, to increase the impact of the truth and meaning it presents.

    78. Re:You have to fight.. by Dhalka226 · · Score: 1

      First of all, not all "corporate speak" is meaningless. Often, they are distinctions that may seem meaningless to people who aren't involved with them but are much more precise. For example, the article submitter mentioned "realignment" versus "layoffs." To a person getting fired, they mean the same thing: they're not going to have their job. To people who do specific jobs rather than manage the business itself, they mean the same thing. To a manager who is actually doing their job though, it may mean much more. The bigger the company, the more true that is.

      Let's say I have some IT-related company, or at least a company with an IT department important to its operations. Let's say for some reason, I fire half of the programming team. Doing so raises other important questions. Does the programming team still need all of its managers? If not, what do we do? Do we just can the managers too? Do we shift those managers to other areas of the company? We could fold them under another manager from a different team as well. And those are just a small smattering sample of things those layoffs might affect. They are all important decisions about the structure of the company. While "realignments" almost always involve firings, they very often do not end there.

      Is Web 2.0 a "buzzword?" It can be. It can also convey meaning. If somebody says something about Web 2.0 to me, I know what they're referring to. It's an utter waste of time to bitch at them just because they use it. Like you said, language is about communication. So long as the words being used are conveying the desired message to the desired target (and yes, who the target is matters a lot), it is effective and I have no problem with it being used.

      In your example, is the guy blowing sunshine up your ass? Yup. Is he trying to sound smarter than he is? Almost certainly. And... who cares. It wastes far more of your time to complain and protest it and do any of your other suggestions than it does to simply smile and nod and walk away. Besides, your example sounds like marketing. It sounds like something an executive would say to a (prospective) client, not something a manager would necessarily say to a subordinate. Marketing is a whole other beast.

      Bottom line: Know your audience and communicate your point unambiguously. If you're somebody interacting with management, learn the lingo. Using it might even be good for your career. If you're just buddying around with coworkers in the IT dungeon, no need. All in all though, I would have to say you're wound awfully tight to rail against simple verbiage so strongly.

    79. Re:You have to fight.. by barefootgenius · · Score: 1
      Was quoted from "The Elements of Style", fourth edition, page 15, as E.B.White writes about being taught by William Strunk. Its a new edition with some, "Revisions, an Introduction, and a Chapter on Writing by E.B.White". Possibly it was one of the revisions?

      It is definitely rule #17 in this edition though. Rule #13 is ,"Make the paragraph the unit of composition". Your quote is now rule #21. ISBN is 0-205-30902-X, if you want to check further. There is also possibly information at the publishers website.

      --
      /. bug #926803 - Why I can post.
    80. Re:You have to fight.. by LithiumX · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'd much prefer speech that used metaphor and nuance, beauty and artistry, to increase the impact of the truth and meaning it presents.

      ACT IV SCENE I
      Venice. A corporate boardroom. ENTER Investor Shylock, CEO Antonio, assorted Board Members

      SHYLOCK:
      I have possess'd your grace of what I purpose;
      And by our holy Commerce have I sworn
      To have the due and Return On my Investment:
      If you deny it, let the danger light
      Upon your charter and your corporation's freedom.
      You'll ask me, why I rather choose to have
      A weight of carrion shares than to receive
      Three thousand dollars: I'll not answer that:
      But, say, it is my humour: is it answer'd?
      What if my server be troubled with a crash
      And I be pleased to give ten thousand dollars
      To have it restored? What, are you answer'd yet?


      Willie, I sincerely apologize...

      --
      Do not confuse "Freedom of Choice" with "Free Will".
    81. Re:You have to fight.. by SlowMovingTarget · · Score: 1

      (Grin) Nice.

    82. Re:You have to fight.. by drsmithy · · Score: 1
      Just like legalese can be used to frustrate or to clarify in a way no other mode of language can.

      Legalese is required because the people writing it know they can't trust dishonest people (like them) to do the right thing - thus what they can and can't do needs to be spelt out in painfully explicit detail.

      Suppose the poster is a business major who has been thrust into the IT/S division of his company, asking us business folk if he should have to learn these ridiculous technical terms in order to communicate with the people he has to deal with every day.

      Difference is technical terms have real, concrete, well-defined meanings and are used to *clarify* discussion, whereas corporate-speak is typically the exact opposite.

    83. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous+MadCoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have to agree, most techs don't have the mindset of a business strategist. These different people just speak a different language, just like Techs and finance people speak a different language. All these languages serve their own purpose. Keep in mind that whenever a senior manager talks to techs he wonders about why these techs alwais have to talk techspeak :-)
      If you can't deal with the language barrier, I guess you're in the wrong place, I speak both and don't see the differences as a problem.

      Acually I think the negative comments on C-Speak shows that people don't understand it and judge it from some misplaced kind of technical elitism (but hey I have been wrong before).

    84. Re:You have to fight.. by FauxReal · · Score: 1

      An example from one of my previous rants on this topic: "You can use the leviathan forces of attention and enthusiasm that are swirling around Web 2.0 these days as a powerful enabler to make something important and exciting happen in your organization."

      This is a fairly typical management-speak sentence but what does this actually mean? The sentence essentially boils down to a simple statement: You can use new technology as an opportunity to improve the operation of your business.

      ---
      Actually, I think this means... "You can use the power of hype to get an idea rolling in your organization."
      Which boils down to this lesson: "Management speak works."

    85. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If your in a position of power..."
      "I love our language..."

      If you're are in a position of power I would like you to know that I also love our language ;-)

    86. Re:You have to fight.. by jschrod · · Score: 1
      Think about it - did you tell your business users what was mission critical or did you ask them ?
      I think your question implies one-way communication and decision. That would be very unprofessional. If I tell them, business requirements would not be well reflected; if they tell me, IT costs would not be taken into accounts.

      SLAs are created via communication between business users and us. My experience shows that it is sensible for such negotiations to have categories where systems are placed in, and many factors determine that placement. Business uses/requirements, failure scenarios, associated business processes, outage costs (both in IT and in business), projected lost revenue, importance of the respective business department, and such. The categories serve to enable more standardized services and processes, to restrict and better plan IT costs, which is a business requirement in itself.

      It is good to have labels for the categories, it helps to further the communication and negotiations where systems are placed. (Almost every business owner thinks that his systems belong in the top category, but doesn't want to pay the price for it.) "Mission-critical", "important", and other terms have proven to be good labels, that are well understood and interpreted both by business owners, business users, and IT staff alike.

      I don't care if you call that backward. It works as a mean of communication, and that's all that counts for me.

      In fact, it isn't even relevant for my posting. The OP asked if somebody has precise definitions for this ``buzzword'', and I replied that I have them; even at several institutions, not just at a single one. He is an arrogant jerk who means that every technical term is well defined (hint: try to look up RTO) and that every business term is a buzzword. Reality ain't so trivial, but luckily most persons can use context to determine the meaning of terms.

      Btw, please note that this ain't "my IT shop". Communication between business users and technical staff is something that I'm called in and paid for, that's the core of my business; I'm the CEO of a consulting company.

      --

      Joachim

      People don't write Manifestos any more -- what's going on in this world? [Frank Zappa]

    87. Re:You have to fight.. by mce · · Score: 1
      Now, I wouldn't actually direct an MBA to an RFC, because his eyes would glaze over about the time he got to "this memo has unlimited distribution."

      Have you ever considered that there might be MBAs that originally majored in electrical engineering and/or computer science? Coz I know some, and will know several more in the near future...

      The fact that you equal management with MBA, and either MBA or manager with "ignorant of what things really are about" says a lot about how little you understand both.

    88. Re:You have to fight.. by Archtech · · Score: 1

      "Corporate speak is the opposite of language. Language is used between people to discuss ideas and express their emotions to each other. Corporate speak is used for precisely the opposite, to cloud ideas behind a vineer of self assumed intellect".

      Mmmm, a logical position to adopt, but (I fear) slightly too idealistic. The way I see it, language can be used in two broad ways. The first, and by far the most common, is the way we all learn to speak. This form of language has evolved over hundreds of thousands of years, and is extremely sophisticated at many levels. Unfortunately for idealists, one of its prime uses is to manipulate other people - if necessary by lying, deceiving, concealing facts, or just by selecting some and putting a particular complexion on others. Corporate speak is just an extreme version of this. Ever since Plato, noble thinkers have condemned this kind of speech as "making the worse cause appear the better", and called for decent people to tell the truth all the time.

      Ain't never going to happen as long as people are people the way we know them. Who hasn't ever told a lie? Politicians lie and deceive - we know that. So do businesspeople. Show me a company that never lies, cheats, or misleads, and I will show you a company that is either bankrupt or on the road there. And some of the most successful companies are also the biggest, most systematic liars and cheats. (No names, no lawsuits). But it doesn't stop there. Who has never lied or cheated in the pursuit of seduction? Not for nothing is it said "All's fair in love and war". Even at home and in the office, most of us lie and manipulate quite steadily.

      The other type of language, which is enormously valuable and likely to be highly esteemed by /.ers, aims at precise, accurate, objective, truthful communication. 2 + 2 = 4 whoever you are. A given C program, given certain inputs, should deliver predictable outputs. An exponentially rising population will always run out of food at some point. Etc. Without this kind of language, our technical civilization would not exist.

      Trouble is, manipulative (instinctive) language almost always trumps exact language. That's why Dilbert is funny: the engineers know far more than the PHB, and can do things he could never hope to. But he is in charge of them, because he is manipulative and knows how to "abuse" language. There is a kind of Gresham's Law here: people who are honest, objective and truthful handicap themselves hopelessly when they compete against those who use all the resources of language to further their cause.

      --
      I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
    89. Re:You have to fight.. by Milton+Waddams · · Score: 1

      The problem is that the veneer is an important part of one of society's Big Lies: that people know what they are doing. The truth is that most people, even in technical fields, have no clue what they are doing and never will. Given our economic structure it is necessary to employ these people lest society collapse.


      Amen to that! Just yesterday, I helped a bank clerk through the process of my loan application. This was a middle aged woman. It seemed like she was working for banks quite a long time but she didn't have a clue what to do. I was telling her "Right, you need me to fill in a form?" and she'd go "OK, hang on" and run off. It was shocking how she could be so incompetent.

      Then of course, you have the HR (or recruitment or whatever) people. Of the people I've met over the past few months (which is quite a lot since I was looking for a job), they were all completely useless! I'm not just talking about the fact that these people were hiring for jobs which they didn't have a clue about, they didn't know how to do their own jobs!

      It certainly does seem, that the older I get, the more I realise that the majority of people are utterly incompetent at doing their jobs.
    90. Re:You have to fight.. by professionalfurryele · · Score: 1

      I call bullshit. If a person is working in business based on IT, then they sure as hell should know a little about the computer based technical terms in thier business. If you ask a question which can legitimately get a response containing the anacronym TCP/IP, either you understand the term, or you lack the technical knowledge to do your job. The theoretical physicists at my lab wouldn't dream of asking the IT guys to speak 'plainly' if they worked on a project with them.
      But corporate speak is not a technical language. It isn't like the technical language of Physics, or IT, or Medicine. It's more like the bullshit language of the art critic who wants to pretend competance at a discipline.
      It's devised to make people feel smarter than they are. It's ignorant MBAs compensating for thier lack of real qualifications with an obtuse language. CP Snow got alot of things wrong, but one thing he didn't get wrong was the fact that those disciplines unable to quantify thier sucesses became desperate to pretend they were as technically hard as the true technical disciplines, and so made up a bullshit language to compensate for thier own percieved inadequacies.

    91. Re:You have to fight.. by caffeination · · Score: 1
      The social disease idea is really interesting....

      Corporations are probably the originators and are definitely the carriers. It spread pretty much in the opposite direction to bird flu, and is currently mutating to the point where it can spread from the corporate killbot drones to normal humans. It's already mutated and spread to other kinds of animal, such as politicians and law enforcement.

      We normal people are all that's left. And to make things even more exciting: Our plane leaves in a half hour!

    92. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wasn't aware that in order to qualify as a geek you had to be a complete fucking socially inept self hating loser.

      Some of us are perfectly capable of being normal, well adjusted, geeks. You're too busy pretending that you're the only "real" geek around to understand that.

    93. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Since I had written documentation, and proof of all problems PRIOR to the project, I was able to keep my job (plus a contract re-negociation) and the manager that purchased the project, bit the dust."

      Wrong words. you should have written

      "Since I was lucky"

      Unless the person who made the evaluation that led to your renegotiation was actually an honest guy not of the likes of the other people you described in your post.

      Since when did fact and proof help exonerate undue responsability for a problem?
      The guy at the end of the chain gets the biggest kick. Alternatives are rare and usually due to luck alone.

    94. Re:You have to fight.. by drachenstern · · Score: 1

      and what i believe the parent was trying to make reference to was, where are the rfc's that define these terms. just because you or i understand the terms, does that mean that they are "defined" by an authority (as are published rfcs)?

      now, to be fair, i do believe an rfc is a "request for comment", which means that it is not fully defined, but instead, "this is what i believe needs to happen for this result to occur and i am spreading the word so that we all do the same thing every time"

      --
      2^3 * 31 * 647
    95. Re:You have to fight.. by fallenangel150974 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm sorry but I can't help but disagree, the rough ideals behind the words you mentioned are extremely important but because of the associated words inherent fuzziness they can be easily hijacked and used to justify truly horrendous actions. Those emotions and ideals do make the world a better place but it could be argued the lack of a clear definition for them makes the world a worse one. Why else have linguists poets and philosophers been trying to tie them down since the dawn of language?

    96. Re:You have to fight.. by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      this is an obvious, uninteresting statement and this is precisely the point I'm trying to make. People who use this language are trying to sell you something that's obvious; to sell the emperor his own clothes.

      You know that, I know that, but does the (probably less technical) customer know that? All too often people who use management speak _do_ manage to sell stuff and at that point they have won, no matter how right or wrong that is. If you are competing with people who "win" a lot more frequently than you, it doesn't really matter that what you're offering is better - the customer goes on what they hear and maybe your plain-english doesn't sound as interesting and clued up to them as the management speak BS.

      Ask them to explain what each term means. Example: What is Web 2.0 anyway? I haven't seen a new W3C standard called Web 2.0.

      Do this infront of a customer and you run the risk of appearing stupid and uninformed: salesman A is using all these new terms and seems to know his stuff, but salesman B is clearly uninformed since he doesn't even understand the stuff salesman A is selling! Again, it doesn't matter that the other person is talking BS, if the customer doesn't _know_ it's BS then you look uninformed if you appear ignorant of the BS.

    97. Re:You have to fight.. by StormyWeather · · Score: 1

      Opportunity isn't a buzzword really: Opportunity Cost. That's a term I learned my first week in ECON101.

      I would also say that taking the word opportunity out of the sentence drastically changes the meaning. I've seen many companies use technology in their business and greatly increase costs. Technology only gives us the opportunity to reduce costs, it doesn't guarantee it.

      I assure you that the word opportunity isn't going away any time soon. Please don't assume something is a "buzzword" because it's not in your vocabulary.

    98. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there are many Indians who are better at the jobs, why begrudge them?

    99. Re:You have to fight.. by dangitman · · Score: 1
      Q: What is Web 2.0 anyway?

      A: Not ready for release until Web 3.1

      --
      ... and then they built the supercollider.
    100. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yay, the parent is Yet Another Pro-Feminist Faggot, wheee!

    101. Re:You have to fight.. by OscarGunther · · Score: 1

      Nope, not a troll. I'm perfectly serious, though I'll admit to a bit of drama. For my users, the gradations between memory and storage aren't meaningful. To them, the former is where active thinking occurs; the latter is where data is kept for later recall. (They find the analogy to human thought processes useful.) This distinction helps them communicate with tech support more clearly so that, for instance, they don't get more RAM when what they needed was a bigger hard drive.

      So there is a practical distinction that matters for them.

    102. Re:You have to fight.. by shorgs · · Score: 1

      I'll borrow an illustration from Neil Geiman.

      It's like people who suppose that humming birds worry about their weight or something and put NutraSweet in their humming bird feeders. The humming bird comes along to feed and dies...see, its belly is full but NutraSweet has no calories. It starved to death with a full stomach.

    103. Re:You have to fight.. by timster · · Score: 1

      Jack Welch is exceptional, and hardly a useful standard. How about Steve Ballmer?

      --
      I have seen the future, and it is inconvenient.
    104. Re:You have to fight.. by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 1

      What is WoW?
      I just read my replies at -1 and realized I have a stalker. That shows what a full and rich life you must have!
      And no, I'm not gay. I have no problem at all with gay people however. I am actually married with kids. And when I joined the military, it was just before don't ask don't tell, and when they asked me if I was gay, I was able to honestly say "no." Anyway, I appreciate your taking the time to follow me around on the forum and insult me, but I am going to go back to reading at +1. And by the way- Go fuck yourself.

      --
      And All I Ask is a Tall Ship And a Star to Steer Her By
    105. Re:You have to fight.. by anothy · · Score: 1

      i believe you're just plain wrong, and that your problem comes from the assumption that language you don't understand is therefore devoid of meaning.
      "Human Resources"? what would you rather it be called? "staff help"? HR really is an informative description of what that organization does.

      i remember working at Bell Labs when i realized there really is a difference between a "secretary" and an "executive assistant." of course, that's not to say that the term's not frequently misused by secretaries who just want to feel more important. but the fact that language can be abused doesn't mean it doesn't have meaning (why, exactly, do we call cable modems such when they neither modulate nor demodulate data?). yes, excessive use of euphemisms is a bad thing, but the terms still have meaning. if the CEO of Verizon ended up with a secretary rather than an executive assistant, things would go very, very poorly.

      like any language, it can be abused and thus deprived of meaning. but don't make the typical techie mistake of assuming that language outside your field doesn't have meaning. just because they don't speak our language doesn't make MBAs dumb.

      --

      i speak for myself and those who like what i say.
    106. Re:You have to fight.. by trzeciak · · Score: 1

      It's true... I feel the real deal is even worse. As someone who lived in a communist country for the first 20 years of my life, I see that corporate talk is just a manifestation of a bigger problem: US (and maybe other too) corporations are like communist countries of the era-long-gone... Employees behave like their citizens used to, managements work like the communist parties, and the talk is just the manifestation of that. Management is always right, even when it is not. And if you have someone's ears, you are the winner, no matter how stupid you are.

      --
      Linux, please.
    107. Re:You have to fight.. by anothy · · Score: 1

      like most of the "problem words" people (mostly techies) get upset about, "opportunity" certainly can have meaning, and i'd argue that it strongly tends to. it's abused, certainly, but when i say "we have a limited opportunity to..." or the like, it conveys a lot of information: it's something that tends to be time sensitive, based on the current circumstances or environment, representing a significant potential gain.
      the fact that it's frequently misused to mean "thing i like" doesn't change the real meaning.

      --

      i speak for myself and those who like what i say.
    108. Re:You have to fight.. by qwijibo · · Score: 1

      We've got a billion monkeys with a billion computers. Given infinite time, something is bound to happen that's useful. Large corporations start as small companies who got lucky and built up over time by only needing to be successful 1% of the time. The trick is that the successes are so large that they pay for the other 99% of the attempts. The problem most people run into is that they can't afford to have most of their efforts fail, so they only take small chances, which result in small rewards.

    109. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If you can point me to a document or documents standardizing terms like "Web 2.0", "enterprise", "solution", "mission-critical", "partner", etc.,

      Most business terms can be found in the reference section of a library in a book called a dictionary. For the morons and utterly ignorant out there, I can provide some simple definitions.

      Web 2.0

      Web 2.0 generally refers to a second generation of services available on the World Wide Web that let people collaborate, and share information online.

      enterprise

      A business firm.

      solution

      1. The process of finding an answer to a problem or puzzle.

      2. The answer sought or found.)

      mission-critical

      This is "hard" because it uses something called a hyphen to form a compound word. mission(Someone's chosen, designated or assumed purpose in life or vocation) + critical (Relating to a crisis; decisive; crucial) = the crucial part of a purpose

      partner

      One of two or more people who jointly own or run a business or other enterprise on an equal footing.

      Most of the responses are akin to asking exactly how many are in a few? Do you jump on your coworker who says he has a computer that needs 1G RAM? I mean, there is DIPP, SIPP, SIMM, DIMM, Rambus, SRAM, SDRAM, ECC-DRAM, etc. Language exists in context.

      The problem being described is not really worrying about a person leveraging skills or another person seeking an enterprise solution. The real problem is when someone "exploits mission-critical skill sets to achieve synergies across the enterprise" and it means they agreed with their counterpart in CA not to edit the DNS zone file at the same time.

    110. Re:You have to fight.. by WWWWolf · · Score: 1
      Real-time -- Of an OS, an OS with short latencies (time to respond to input). Generally used to regulate devices in the absence of human intervention.

      Bzzzt. An OS with known maximum latencies. It's not enough to have short latencies; it also must guarantee that they don't take any longer to execute than advertised. As in "if you hiccup doing some background stuff, and this whole thing takes 2 seconds to run instead of the 1.5 seconds we designed this for, people will die, and we don't want that, now do we?"

    111. Re:You have to fight.. by PMuse · · Score: 1

      other C-Speakers should be able to get the gist of it

      The real danger of NewSpeak is when managers in your organization start drinking the koolaid that's been brewed for the outside. If your manager can't tell the difference between a snow-job and a real idea, that's when you have the submitter's problem.

      Look. If your manager is an idiot, you may not be able to teach the pig to sing. Rather than wasting your time and annoying the pig, you may have to learn to talk to him in the language he wants to hear.

      --
      "We reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals." --The American President (20.1.2009)
    112. Re:You have to fight.. by TransparentOx · · Score: 1

      No offense, but I'd rather deal with MBA-speak than Annoying Nerd Sarcasm any day.

      You do know that you are posting on /. right?

    113. Re:You have to fight.. by rabun_bike · · Score: 1

      "The deliverables are due this Friday."

      Deliverable is an adjective and not a noun according to the Merriam-Webster Online dictionary. Business types frequently put an -able, -ly, or -s at the end of the misused words. Maybe English grammar should be taught to all business students?

      http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/deliverable

      Check this out for some more fun.

      http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0%2C1697%2C136 1717%2C00.asp

    114. Re:You have to fight.. by PMuse · · Score: 1

      They mean to the speaker what he imagines he means, and they mean to the listener what he imagines he hears.

      Not for nothing do they call politics "the art of the possible". Real people constitute real obstacles even if they're silly buggers. Practice political judo. It requires less effort to deflect a NewSpeaker with a little NewSpeak than it does to stop him outright with the details. Then, you can move on to your objective.

      --
      "We reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals." --The American President (20.1.2009)
    115. Re:You have to fight.. by qwijibo · · Score: 1

      It's even easier than that:

      * can *

      By using "can", which is synonomous with "won't", the lawyers will not jump down your throat.

      It's like the insurance commercial where they say something like "if we're this helpful to you now, just imagine how helpful we are once you're a customer." The word "imagine" allows you to plant the seed in the mind of your victim and ignore the reality. The goal is to get you as a customer. To be a customer, you have to have already given them your money. Once you've given them your money, there's no reason for them to be helpful anymore. Being helpful is a marketing tactic. Telling you to use your imagination is a way of convincing you to lie to yourself.

      Try this on for size:

      By adopting an open source technology infrastructure, we can leverage the best of breed applications that empower the internet. Imagine the ROI we can realize by adopting open standards as a foundation for all of our business processes.

      As with any tool, corporate speak can be used for good or evil. Of course, you don't get to a position of influence in a company by using it for good. =)

    116. Re:You have to fight.. by Rinzai · · Score: 1
      "The language of business means real things to the people who deal with it, just like technical terms mean real things to others."

      In other words, the braying of donkeys means something to other donkeys. And while many corporate types are, in fact, donkeys--just with a shorter spelling of the word--I have to say that you're just flat wrong. For one thing, TCP/IP isn't all network traffic--there's UDP and ICMP as well. When the technical guy says TCP/IP, that's what he means. It's plain English as rendered, unlike the example I'm about to give.

      That example is: "We intend to leverage existing competencies going forward." Never mind the junk in the middle--I'm interested in "going forward." While it certainly has meaning to the other donkeys ("in the future"), it's semantically dubious because in that context, there is no such thing as "going backward" or "going sideways." There's only one way to do something you haven't done yet, and that's in the future. (There's also only one way to continue doing something you're already doing, and it's still in the future.) Why don't they just say "in the future," if they absolutely have to be redundant about it? "We intend to leverage existing competencies" is already complete, since the phrase "intend to leverage" implies future activity.

      Never mind the semantic issues, though: the language of business is simply a variant of the language of diplomacy, which is designed on purpose to confuse and misdirect. The mission is never to be clear exactly what you're thinking, or what you're planning.

      The REAL reason that business types do this is that they don't understand language. They equate complexity (or simple length) of statement with prestige. The longer it takes to say, the more important it must be. They're not interested in actual content so much as how good the speech sounds while they're speaking. (This is, in part, due to the fact that the average Wal-Mart-shopping "American Idol" viewer doesn't know anything about language, either, so he or she is impressed, too. When the president of Ford Motor Company gets on television and maunders his mealy-mouthed marketing muck, what he's really saying is "Hey, you caught us--our cars suck. We're going to make better cars now," but that doesn't sell cars. The reality is that making good products sells products, but business people don't really understand that. I don't know why that is, but it's true everywhere I've been.)

      So the donkeys bray on. The problem is, of course, that they don't realize that the rest of the animals around them aren't donkeys. More to the point--we don't want to be donkeys.

    117. Re:You have to fight.. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      > I would also say that taking the word opportunity
            > out of the sentence drastically changes the meaning.
            > I've seen many companies use technology in their
            > business and greatly increase costs. Technology only
            > gives us the opportunity to reduce costs, it doesn't
            > guarantee it.

      Very true, but the sentence doesn't need "opportunity" to
      relate that fact. It does so by saying "Technology
      can improve your busines" instead of "Technology *will*
      improve your business".

      Chris Mattern

    118. Re:You have to fight.. by vertinox · · Score: 1

      And for anyone who doubts that "deliverable" is a useful term

      Can't you just say... "This product is feasible"

      Or rather "We think we can actually develop a product/service that we can sell without going bankrupt and actually make us money."

      When one says this product or service is "deliverable", it is quite ambiguous.

      --
      "I am the king of the Romans, and am superior to rules of grammar!"
      -Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
    119. Re:You have to fight.. by nasch · · Score: 1

      Hey now... I was a business major with a business degree. I got my degree in Information Systems, and now I'm a programmer. Your brush is just a little bit wide. :-)

    120. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      JeffK is that you?

    121. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For one thing, TCP/IP isn't all network traffic--there's UDP and ICMP as well. When the technical guy says TCP/IP, that's what he means. It's plain English as rendered, unlike the example I'm about to give.

      Thank you for demonstrating that technical people don't know what they're talking about, either.

      TCP/IP references the entire suite of protocols, from layer 3 to layer 7 of the corresponding OSI reference stack.

      TCP is a protocol. IP is a protocol. UDP is a protocol. SMTP is a protocol. TCP/IP is the whole shebang.

    122. Re:You have to fight.. by dubl-u · · Score: 1

      Corporate speak is basically the same type of "Rah-Rah" speech you here at Amway/Mary Kay/etc conventions. It's just for pumping up peoples emotions rather than conveying useful information.

      I'm not a big fan of corporatespeak or rah-rah bullshit, but a lot of company problems aren't problems of lack of information. A lot of human communication isn't about facts; it's about moods, motivation, and primate dominance dynamics. The book Chimpanzee Politics is a great way for geeks to understand what managers seem to spend a disproportionate amount of their time on.

    123. Re:You have to fight.. by Derkec · · Score: 1
      Some definitions:

              Web 2.0: Snake Oil
              Solution: Expensive Snake Oil
              Enterprise: Very Expensive Snake Oil
              Mission Critical: Indispensable Snake Oil
              Partner: Snake Oil Salesman


      Funny, but many of these things mean stuff to me in my life as a techie.

      Solution: Getting something done exceeding the expectations of the user or client.
      Enterprise: For me, an enterprise solution is going to be more about managing larger systems than a small team would need. In my work, it means something very specific when the techies are discussing issues.
      Mission Critical: It's failure is very, very, expensive.
      Partner: Someone I give something to and they give something back improving both our products ideally in a way fairly reflecting effort on both sides. Yes. It has been known to happen.
      Web 2.0: Snake Oil.
    124. Re:You have to fight.. by Derkec · · Score: 1

      re: Enterprise

      what I mean to say is that I can say, "but in an Enterprise environment.." and there's lots of useful context communicated to other techies. The same goes for when I say, "there may be a problem in an Enterprise environment" to non-techies. They know I'm discussing a problem only rich customers will have.

    125. Re:You have to fight.. by pyser · · Score: 1

      I was sitting through a product demonstration a while back, and the salesman kept referring to the system he was demonstrating as the "solution", even at times when it sounded unnatural or redundant. It was as if his sales manager had programmed his brain to say "solution" instead of "product" or "system" or "framistam". Drove me nuts. I expected him to say things like "When you type on the keyboard of the solution..." or "the person who operates the solution can..."

    126. Re:You have to fight.. by dubl-u · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. Some tech terms are well defined and standardised (just like some business terms). [...] Others are ambiguous, vague, domain/language/product dependent or just "defined" differently depending on who you speak to.

      Agreed. When programmers talk about things like code quality, maintainability, clarity, and elegance, there's no RFC for those.

    127. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Technology - GOOD!"

    128. Re:You have to fight.. by nasor · · Score: 1

      I have to disagree. Jargon helps people communicate easily when discussing complex topics; you come up with a new term that describes a complicated idea so that you can discuss the idea more efficiently and clearly. There certainly is plenty of legitimate jargon in the corporate world. When a manager says something like "We need to recapitalize and increase our market-share before considering an IPO," he's using jargon to express a lot of complicated ideas in a clear and efficient manner. When he says "We need to leverage our synergies to increase the value of our deliverables," that' not the case.

    129. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      An example from one of my previous rants on this topic: "You can use the leviathan forces of attention and enthusiasm that are swirling around Web 2.0 these days as a powerful enabler to make something important and exciting happen in your organization."

      This is a fairly typical management-speak sentence but what does this actually mean? The sentence essentially boils down to a simple statement: You can use new technology as an opportunity to improve the operation of your business

      That's not what it means at all. It means what it says -- you can use the hype around Web 2.0 to get support and buy-in for new cool new initiatives, i.e., by affixing the "Web 2.0" label to them.

      I'm sorry you don't like the language, but the statement is clear, jargonless, truthful, and useful.

    130. Re:You have to fight.. by gronofer · · Score: 1
      You have to fight..

      Sometimes it's more amusing to lose, and from a safe distance watch them try to implement what they proposed.

    131. Re:You have to fight.. by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I understand the point of your comment. I am pro-feminist. I have nothing against homosexuals. In fact, I think homosexuals should be treated just like everybody else, which means that they definitely should be able to marry and pay taxes. I'm not a homosexual myself, so that's inaccurate. Wheee as an exclamation is a bit cryptic, so perhaps you could explain that. Are you trying to say that wheee is a particularly manly thing to say?

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    132. Re:You have to fight.. by mrraven · · Score: 1

      It's all good until YOU lose your job to someone in India with a doctorate willing to work for 12 dollars an hour and then you wind up living in your car. Then SUDDENLY I suspect you'd become a foaming at the mouth America first Buchanite protectionist, hmmmmmm.

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    133. Re:You have to fight.. by cr0ssplatf0rm · · Score: 1

      So far the above is the clearest and forthright display of understanding the complexities of not only the business mind as well as the IT mind.

      I'm not an IT person by training, rather I got a Philosophy degree. After 10 years in the biz doing everything from support through audit/security to architect, I can tell you that my ability to cut through the obfuscation and cultures is necessary to survive and sell my ideas up the chain.

      Sure we're still lugging around the old ways of protecting our turf via language usage and me-speak. Kings never talked like the common folk (unless they were out hunting slag ho's) precisely so everyone could see them for what the represented, not just to be elitist.

      In this day and age of information as power, if you can't cut through the corporate cultures to make your career expand, you're going to get stuck in a little cube forever. No offense to those who want that of course, but I'm not going to bitch (in front of or behind you) because I can understand you and am willing to do my homework, simply because I don't like golf. FYI, this is also why I won't ever want to be a C-level (besides the pain of having to walk around with obfuscators and politicians all day long).

      For those who are interested in more out of life than puzzles and a closed circle, check out the following:

      Corporate Survival tools

      1. "Fitting in and Standing Out" by Blythe McGarvie - Goodman agrees that standing out means separating yourself from the corporate rat pack by doing outstanding work, but this alone is not enough -- you need to actively look for opportunities to be noticed. While it is important to demonstrate your ability to fit into the corporate culture at the start of a job, those who want to get to the top must market themselves accordingly.

      2. The art of war - "Know your enemy."

      3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_languag e - Whether we like it or not, that corporate speak does make sense to a part of the population. I won't be as happy as I could be if I'm in Mexico and can't locate the Almacén de zapato if my shoe tears out or a shoelace breaks.

      And if that doesn't work, we can still sit in our cubes and dream about the solution to all our problems: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babelfish

      See you at the next meet...

    134. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      regarding #3: your != you're
      Pretty funny mistake from somebody who is ranting about the misuse of English.

    135. Re:You have to fight.. by Dephex+Twin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, you have named some extremely good examples of words that have been misused a great deal in recent years because of their imprecise meaning.

      Take "freedom" for example. Did our invasion of Iraq bring "freedom" to the Iraqi people? Is the US really the land of "freedom"? Just what are "freedom fighters", if the very same group of people who had that label in the 80s are the ones who supposedly "hate us for our freedom" now? This word has an automatic positive undertone to it in America. Who doesn't like "freedom" after all? So you attach the word to things like "Operation Iraqi Freedom", and who is going to say it is bad?

      What exactly makes this word any more useful than corporate BS, and what makes a word like this more important than those which would accurately describe the people and situations in question?

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    136. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It's all good until YOU lose your job to someone in India with a doctorate...."

      Do you mean I would turn into the typical asshole who wines about foreigners "stealing" jobs by being better at them? Jobs are earned by those who do them best. Slashdot sure has its fill of lazy (formerly) overpaid techies who are shocked SHOCKED that someone could actually be better at the job than they were. I would hope I would not stoop that low, and instead find something I was good at instead of take up the pitchfork and make curry-and-Bangalore jokes.

    137. Re:You have to fight.. by Elad+Alon · · Score: 1

      Doesn't "mission-critical" mean "critical"?

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    138. Re:You have to fight.. by mrraven · · Score: 1

      You want some fries with your can do attitude mister?

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    139. Re:You have to fight.. by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      There is no solid distinction between memory and storage.

      Sure there is: you operate on data in memory and store stuff for later in storage. The fact that Oracle operates on stuff in storage is explained by the fact that that stuff is maintained there and the actual modifications are done in memory. Swap files are just a hack to get around insufficient memory.

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    140. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fries? That's a better job than is deserved by those who whine when they basically give away their jobs to others who can do them better.

    141. Re:You have to fight.. by mrraven · · Score: 1

      Yes lets spiral down the drain until we have a wealth division that resembles Brazil's, for surely that is how we want to live with the majority living in abject poverty with no health care or housing.

      Screw those cheese eating surrender monkey French, with their healthy well fed population with little homelessness, and easy access to public transit, what are they thinking?

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    142. Re:You have to fight.. by alienvoord · · Score: 1

      I love business jargon. It is a wonderful example of how creative people are with language.

      Of course business jargon is not the opposite of language. It is part of language, like any jargon is part of language. Just because they use a different lexicon doesn't make it bad.

      Problems can arise when terms are used that not everyone knows the meaning of. As with any slang, paying attention to how the term is used in context should make the meaning clear.

      If you're expected to use it, then use it. Just be clear - don't use terms that everyone does not know the meaning of.

    143. Re:You have to fight.. by Anonymous+MadCoe · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, you will normally find that the speak you see as useless is actually just badly used language. It actually does not mean anything.

      (By the way, I've heard that type of non-language in many languages, English, German, Swedish, French, Dutch). That type of non-language is not exclusive to C-speak, I even heard some (mostly less competent) techs do this.

      Anyway I know what you mean, but I do not see that as C-Speak, just as badly used language that is something you see more and more everywhere.

  2. No comment? by smARMie · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    What's with teh "No comment" mode?

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  3. just lock the nerds in a closet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and pretend that they don't have to interact with the rest of a company as a whole,
    yeah sure that'll be a recipe for success.

    1. Re:just lock the nerds in a closet by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      Sounds good, just give us a network connection in there. We'll get all the shit the company needs done, while you guys are still trying to "conceptualize it".

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  4. You have to decide for yourself. by east+coast · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know in my company I've seen a member of another IT group move up fairly quickly and he speaks corporate lingo pretty well. Not to say he doesn't have talent but I can see where his "speaking the jive" helped him along with upper management.

    The question seem to be "who do you want to align yourself with (in the company) and can you get to your desired position with them?" If you want the position you're going to have to play their games to fall into their good graces, otherwise you can hold your head proudly high as you muttle through a job you'd rather not have.

    Or you can just move on altogether and hope for better.

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    1. Re:You have to decide for yourself. by warpSpeed · · Score: 1
      The question seem to be "who do you want to align yourself with (in the company) and can you get to your desired position with them?"

      Or alternatly, can you stick your nose where others fear to tread and stand the smell of it?

    2. Re:You have to decide for yourself. by jemenake · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The question seem to be "who do you want to align yourself with (in the company) and can you get to your desired position with them?" If you want the position you're going to have to play their games to fall into their good graces...
      This is a common sociological phenomenon, actually. If you're not willing to do any work to assimilate into the new group, the message this sends is that inclusion isn't important to you... and that you can be expected to behave accordingly when the group needs you. It's the same reason that hazing works with fraternities. If you're willing to go through all of that toil in order to get accepted, then the other members are comfortable that you'll "have their back" the next time they need you (as an alibi for a date-rape charge, I'd figure).

      You encounter this every day, too. In general, society has unspoken guidelines like: don't wear just one shoe, don't wear your clothes backward, and don't stab others in the face with a knife. So, when you see some dude walking down the street with his clothes backward and with one shoe missing, it reflects a lack of "buy in" on their part. Whether it's due to their being truly insane or just unconventional, they're advertizing that adherence to these social guidelines is not a priority for them.... which gets you wondering if they adhere to some of the bigger ones (like not stabbing people), so you instinctively tend to keep your distance from them.

      So, I guess I'm saying that, if you're going to change things, your best shot is probably to do it from the inside. Learn the lingo, hobnob, get brought into the fold, and then start asking folks "So... just what *is* a multi-tiered vertical paradigm shift, anyway... and how is it different from the horizontal kind?".
    3. Re:You have to decide for yourself. by dubl-u · · Score: 1

      I know in my company I've seen a member of another IT group move up fairly quickly and he speaks corporate lingo pretty well. Not to say he doesn't have talent but I can see where his "speaking the jive" helped him along with upper management.

      To be fair, the reverse is also true. I spend part of my time developing, and part consulting on development process. A lot of what I do is talking business to the suits and tech to the techies. Both groups are much more suspicious of people who can't speak their language.

      Also, there's a difference between talking in business terms and using bullshit corporate jargon. The second is regrettably popular, but many companies minimize it. The first, though, is necessary to rise through the ranks: corporations are there to accomplish business goals, not technical ones.

  5. Alcohol by krgallagher · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "If you've found yourself in this position, what things did you do to cope?"

    I find a martini helps.

    Seriously though, I can remember when I was in my early adult life calling my older brother a yuppie and a sell out as I heard corporate speak creep into his vocabulary. Now, years later, I am as bad as any one. We all learned geek speak and tech speak in order to communicate with our peers. This is just another vocabulary to learn. If you want to be understood by non-IT coworkers, you have to speak their language.

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    1. Re:Alcohol by rcoxdav · · Score: 1

      I do not think that it is a case of not being understood by co-workers, it is more of a case of trying to impress them. Even though I have the ability to use all of the popular corporate catch phrases of the day, I prefer not to use them, as most of them are politically correct double speak that says absolutely nothing in a fancy flourish of words. It may have held me back a little bit, but I think that when communicating with non IT people clear use of traditional language will get you just about as far as corporate speak will.

    2. Re:Alcohol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "I don't have a drinking problem, I have a drinking opportunity for excellence!"

    3. Re:Alcohol by PortWineBoy · · Score: 1
      I'm totally with ya on the martini thing...have you tried Hendricks?

      But I have to differ with the conclusion of your post. I agree, it's a language we must all learn, but in reality I've seen these buzzword guys come and go. They tend to go when something goes wrong and they have no clue what they had others do in the first place to implement it.

      I survived the dot com boom with a simliar view on reality.

      Talk to your listeners. If everyone is spouting babble at the numbers guy, you should turn to him and tell him in plain English your learned interpretation of the comments. Don't just babble it back around the table. Be the guy who knows the snake oil, can explain it in the mother tongue and don't be afraid to go against the tide. and drinking a lot helps.

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    4. Re:Alcohol by spikedvodka · · Score: 1

      I prefer a good Scotch... but my real solution, being in a situation where my Boss is a bean-counter, and has no clue about technology (even though she is in charge of technology here) is to slather on the Geek-Speak, and show her that the Geek-Speak actually means something, and that it works.

      Most of the time, I can get her to change her mind pretty easily

      (Droping the words "Industry Standard", "Standards Compliant", and "RFC" works well too...)

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  6. Some yes, some no by mccalli · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Some of the language you used in example, such as "opportunities for growth", is plainly nonsense in that context. However, some of them are every bit as technical and specific a term as, say "object" would be to an OO programmer.

    Take 'deliverable', for example. Nothing double-speak about that term, it's a business technical term with a specific meaning. 'Function' - though this one has the possibility for misuse, again it's a specific technical term to describe separation of responsibilities if applied to people, or specific capability if applied to a computer system (which may include both hardware and software).

    Don't dismiss all of it, because some of it is exactly the kind of jargon you'd be used to in, say, programming. But keep an ear open for someone who's plainly speaking gibberish though.

    Cheers,
    Ian

    1. Re:Some yes, some no by SWroclawski · · Score: 1

      I agree, and am going to expand on the parent poster's point.

      Buzzwords like "Web 2.0" are, for the most part, nonesense. Sometimes vendors have come up with terms for things that already exist, like NAS instead of NFS. Sometimes these words are meaningless, and you should try to resist them by focusing your energy on what /your/ boss cares about, the buisness.

      And that gets me to the second point, which is what the parent said, "delieverable" isn't a buzzword. It's jargon. Specifically, it's buisness jargon, the language of those you're now working with. Other words like "opportunity" may be there to foster a specific kind of thinking. You could be cynical and think that it's all nonesense, or you could get what you can from it and try to use it.

      The most important thing to remember is that neither is important- what's important is providing the information your boss needs in the form that's best for him/her. At the end of the day, whether you use plain English, technical jargon or buisness jargon, it doesn't matter- your objective isn't to "make a point" so much as get your job done. You were promoted and placed in a position with a new set of challenges, specifically working wiith new people, people who aren't on the same wavelength as you in terms of language. Consider it a learning experience, wether or not you agree with it, and I'm sure you'll find a way to express yourself and provide value in your new role. It's good to see system administrators being seen as valuable enough to be promoted- it's a rare event.

    2. Re:Some yes, some no by joe+155 · · Score: 1

      blastfax kudos all around... we're really revolutionising outside of the box. You might even say we're frying with fossil fuels... now lets re-arrange the paradigm

      anyway, don't you worry about blank, let me worry about blank

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  7. Bullshit! by Jeff+Carr · · Score: 1

    I find buzzwords very helpful to utilze during meetings. They help to keep the team alert and aware of exactly what is going on.

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    1. Re:Bullshit! by jherrick · · Score: 1

      I've also built a site for this purpose:

          http://corporatebingo.org/

      Woo-hoo!

      Jim

    2. Re:Bullshit! by necrogram · · Score: 1

      good shuff dude... i need that link for the staff meeting tomorrow

  8. Don't do that with folks you work with. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    Ask them to explain what each term means. Example: What is Web 2.0 anyway? I haven't seen a new W3C standard called Web 2.0.

    I have a hard time remembering all of the acronyms and buzzwords in IT - especially when one buzzword can mean different things in different contexts.
    To make a long story short, I was labled a "retard" and canned.

    When at work, know all the buzzwords so you can look intelligent - whether or not you are. Like it or not, techies are just as duped by image as anyone else. Nobody, especially in tech, wants to appear ignorant or stupid - it's a career ender.

    1. Re:Don't do that with folks you work with. by ashtophoenix · · Score: 1

      If you are really smart noone can make u look stupid, unless you are lacking in the power of communication (expressing yourself). Expressing oneself is, I realize an extremely important part, not to be underestimated. If you know something and are not able to convey your point clearly enough, than you should work on your communication skills. Many techies have this issue ... once conquered it will complement the brains to give an enormous power.

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    2. Re:Don't do that with folks you work with. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typing like a child can make u look stupid or r u 1 of those? (should I insert an OMG LOLOLO!!!!111!!!! here?)

      Hint: you = the other person
                  u = a letter

      Work on your communication skills, drop the 1337 5p34k

  9. Coping by Otto · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you've found yourself in this position, what things did you do to cope?

    I cursed a lot. Instead of calling somebody "more challenging", say he's an "asshole". It helps.

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    1. Re:Coping by Billosaur · · Score: 1
      I cursed a lot. Instead of calling somebody "more challenging", say he's an "asshole". It helps.

      Other terms that may be helpful (WARNING: Some readers may find some of these words offensive)

      • Bunghole
      • Dipsh*t
      • Smeghead
      • Pudknocker
      • Buttcrud
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    2. Re:Coping by jamesbrown1000 · · Score: 3, Funny

      From a language standpoint, I picked the low-hanging fruit and strategized into a win-win position for myself and my clients.

      Wait. What was the question again?

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    3. Re:Coping by coyote-san · · Score: 1

      "Strategized" is nonsense, but "low-hanging fruit" is an extremely important concept in conveying that we can implement 80% of the desired functionality fairly easily... and that the next 10% will take as much effort as everything up to that point... as will the following 5%... and so on.

      "Win-win" is bizspeak for "positive sum game." The alternative is the one where you only win by screwing over the client (something that clients DO NOT want to hear), or worse a negative sum game where you're both going to get screwed.

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    4. Re:Coping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Strategized" is nonsense, but "low-hanging fruit" is an extremely important concept in conveying that we can implement 80% of the desired functionality fairly easily... and that the next 10% will take as much effort as everything up to that point... as will the following 5%... and so on.

      But "low-hanging fruit" is also a very often misused concept, because all the fruit on the tree is essentially alike and of equal unit value which is not true of functionality. The overly simplistic "low-hanging fruit" analogy sidesteps the true complexity of the situation. More often than not, the person being sold through the use of the analogy is being shafted because he won't/can't take the time to properly analyze the situation.

  10. When in Rome... by TopShelf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While it makes for great material for Dilbert, the fact is that a lot (not all) management speak does actually have a purpose and meaning.

    Let's look at some of these examples:

    There are no company layoffs, there are 'realignments'.
    Very rarely do layoffs simply mean reducing the number of people performing a particular function. Often, there is a fundamental change made to an existing business process, so people and organizations do indeed need to be "realigned" to support the new environment.

    "Functions" should be pretty obvious - what activity is an individual or group performing in support of a given process?

    "Deliverables" - these are the tangible results that are to be achieved through a given project or activity. Nobody cares whether you're 67% of the way done, or 72% - they want to know when the Deliverable can be expected, so they can then act upon it.

    "Value Add" - this is when you take a strip down a process to its bare bones and examine where the benefit to the company or customer is truly being applied. Steps along the way that don't increase that benefit are candidates for elimination or automation.

    These are actually pretty powerful terms, and it's important to have a common vocabulary that can be used when bringing together managers from varying fields like sales, IT, operations, finance, etc.

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    1. Re:When in Rome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      While it makes for great material for Dilbert, the fact is that a lot (not all) management speak does actually have a purpose and meaning.

      Yeah yeah, well we're all angry nerds with bigass chips on our shoulders. We're all geniuses who are kept down by phb's.

    2. Re:When in Rome... by Rob_Bryerton · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are no company layoffs, there are 'realignments'. Very rarely do layoffs simply mean reducing the number of people performing a particular function. Often, there is a fundamental change made to an existing business process, so people and organizations do indeed need to be "realigned" to support the new environment.

      Oh, so they're not laid off, they're realigned. But they're still out of work. That's called a euphamism, useful for propaganda. So let's put this in plain English: There are no company layoffs, there are company layoffs.

      Use whatever euphamisms you like, but a turd by any other name still smells as bad...

      "Deliverables" - these are the tangible results that are to be achieved through a given project or activity. Nobody cares whether you're 67% of the way done, or 72% - they want to know when the Deliverable can be expected, so they can then act upon it.

      Again, instead of saying "Product" or "Service", which is *exactly* what we're discussing here, you'll use the Web 2.0 version, namely "Deliverable".

      Your post proves the OP's point: you're simply whipping out the thesaurus (for lack of a better term) to try to snow or impress people. It's really that simple.

      These are actually pretty powerful terms, and it's important to have a common vocabulary that can be used when bringing together managers from varying fields like sales, IT, operations, finance, etc.

      I'd say it's more important to convey ideas in plain english without resorting to flowery/trendy language to sound 'hip' or 'with it'. I guess I'm just old fashioned though... (not meant as a troll)

      Now please hold on while I put this on my Action/Item list :rolleyes:

    3. Re:When in Rome... by DerWulf · · Score: 1

      there can be a difference between what you might want to ship and what you might want to call a product :-D.

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    4. Re:When in Rome... by PCM2 · · Score: 1
      Again, instead of saying "Product" or "Service", which is *exactly* what we're discussing here, you'll use the Web 2.0 version, namely "Deliverable".
      I'm sorry, but you're just ranting here. The word "deliverable" has nothing to do with Web 2.0. It's business jargon that's been around for years and years. It has nothing to do with products or services either. A deliverable might be a report, an e-mail, or a piece of software that gets installed on a server. It's something that somebody is expected to get done. When it's done, they have delivered it. It's a deliverable.
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    5. Re:When in Rome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you mean a task?

    6. Re:When in Rome... by ErikInterlude · · Score: 1

      These are actually pretty powerful terms, and it's important to have a common vocabulary that can be used when bringing together managers from varying fields like sales, IT, operations, finance, etc.

      Every business, industry, or culture has it's own set of words or phrases. The question comes down to whether or not these words and phrases can be isolated and put into a reference. Geeks have the Jargon File, for example. Does a reference exist for business slang? If it does, I'd love to check it out; at my place of work, we have terminology the origin of which completely mystifies me. For example, when you go to a website and click a button, it's not a button but a "monument". You don't navigate a website, you "drill down". I don't get assignments, I'm "tasked". I don't work with someone on a project, we "work interactively". Salespeople don't maintain relationships with clients, they "touch them".

      If this terminology is standard, great, but I've never heard people refer to things like this before I came to the company I worked at now. How they came up with some of it is beyond me (especially the web stuff). I should have asked by now, but they keep me too busy to waste time finding out.

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      --Erik
    7. Re:When in Rome... by bar-agent · · Score: 1

      All deliverables are tasks, but not all tasks are deliverables.

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    8. Re:When in Rome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ah, yes. thank you.

    9. Re:When in Rome... by radish · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, a deliverable is what (might be) generated as a result of a task.

      Method = task
      Argument = resources
      Return value = deliverable

      Easier?

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    10. Re:When in Rome... by radish · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh, so they're not laid off, they're realigned. But they're still out of work. That's called a euphamism, useful for propaganda. So let's put this in plain English: There are no company layoffs, there are company layoffs.
      You're missing the point. The realignment is the process, the layoffs are the (potential) result. The department I work in recently had some realignments due to fundamental changes in how the business we support worked. How many layoffs? Actually none - we're hiring like mad. Realignment means change, the results can vary.


      Again, instead of saying "Product" or "Service", which is *exactly* what we're discussing here, you'll use the Web 2.0 version, namely "Deliverable".

      Deliverable != product
      A deliverable may be an application, or a document, or a memo, or a picture, or a class library, or a building. It's a generic term to mean "thing which you're delivering to me, the customer". Generic terms are not uncommon, and are not a bad thing. Deliverable has also been around a looooong time.

      I'd say it's more important to convey ideas in plain english without resorting to flowery/trendy language to sound 'hip' or 'with it'. I guess I'm just old fashioned though... (not meant as a troll)
      Sounding hip has nothing to do with it. I think it's important to convey ideas in a language the other people will understand. My business manager doesn't care that I'm 30% done with the db schema and that the initial cut of the GUI is being coded up by the swing guy. She want's to know that I'm on track with the deliverables. That's shorter, to the point, and gets the message across easily. It also lets her know that I'm concentrating on actual tangible things of value to her business, not padding my resume with trendy Web2.0 crap. See how the tables can turn?

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    11. Re:When in Rome... by Pseudonym · · Score: 1
      Does a reference exist for business slang?

      Yes.

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    12. Re:When in Rome... by chef_raekwon · · Score: 1

      well said.

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      We're like rats, in some experiment! -- George Costanza
    13. Re:When in Rome... by Javaman59 · · Score: 0
      "Value Add" - this is when you take a strip down a process to its bare bones and examine where the benefit to the company or customer is truly being applied. Steps along the way that don't increase that benefit are candidates for elimination or automation.
      That's a good example of useful corporate speak. In discussions with other programmers we often question something by asking "what value does it add?". If the answer is close to zero, then it does indeed become a candidate for elimination. This is a simple expression of a powerful concept. Alternatives such as "what good does it do?", "can we do without it?", "do we really need it?" don't get to the heart of the matter as quickly.

      eg.

      "What good does it do?"

      "Well it enables the user to save the Screech value, and use it next time he runs the program"

      "And what value does that add?"

      "er.. not much"
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      I'm a software visionary. I don't code.
    14. Re:When in Rome... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      You're missing the point. The realignment is the process, the layoffs are the (potential) result.

      You are missing the reality. They already know if they are going to be laying-off folk before they start the process. The term "realignment" only starts to get used when talking to those who are being "realigned". It's an attempt to keep morale up during the process, as well as to retain your best staff after the layoffs are complete. Unless you sell it as a positive thing, your best employees will be updating their CVs and looking around. Experience suggests that a "realignment" is just a speed-bump on a downward spiral. Most redundancies I know that started off small ultimately resulted in the closure of the whole office/deparment within a couple of years. It's important to sell it as a positive thing so that everyone doesn't interpret as a sinking ship and start to making alternate plans.

    15. Re:When in Rome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      It's important to sell it as a positive thing so that everyone doesn't interpret as a sinking ship and start to making alternate plans.

      You mean that making it sound positive, when it may indeed be positive, so that people don't assume(making an ass out of u and me) by figuring the company is going down the drain when in fact you are realigning how you do business to deal with the inefficiencies that the technical staff pointed out to you and your customer has been ranting about... oh wait. You are trying to tell it like it really is not how people will assume it is.

      In other words you are doing exactly what the geeks assume you arn't. Telling the truth. Funny that.

    16. Re:When in Rome... by PMuse · · Score: 1

      . . . the fact is that a lot (not all) management speak does actually have a purpose and meaning.

      NewSpeak has another purpose, too. It serves as an (imperfect) abstraction layer to let people talk about the broad concepts without getting bogged down in the details. When used this way, NewSpeak is like talking about a While-Do loop without understanding the branch operations.

      To be sure, we rightly criticize NewSpeak when it ignores a detail that turns out to be important (e.g. repeating unneeded ops in the heart of the loop). However, our solution to this cannot be that every conversation must be conducted in the business equivalent of assembly language.

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      "We reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals." --The American President (20.1.2009)
    17. Re:When in Rome... by vertinox · · Score: 1

      When in Rome do as the Romans do?

      I dunno... I don't think are a good example. The Visigoths, Vandals, and Huns really didn't really follow those kind of rules and caused Rome to file for Chapter 11 after Atilla sacked the bejuses out of them during a hostile takeover.

      Apparently the Romans Sentors were too busy laying off Roman soldiers and debating what deliverables (bread) and what kind of synergy (circuses) to give out to people that day at the board meeting.

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      "I am the king of the Romans, and am superior to rules of grammar!"
      -Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
    18. Re:When in Rome... by dubl-u · · Score: 1

      Oh, so they're not laid off, they're realigned. But they're still out of work. That's called a euphamism, useful for propaganda.

      It may be propaganda, but it's probably just a different focus. When I eat a hamburger, I am funding the bloody death of innocent animals in their prime and having them ground up into little bits just because they are tasty. However, I'm still going to call it eating a hamburger, because that's what I'm after.

    19. Re:When in Rome... by dubl-u · · Score: 1

      Again, instead of saying "Product" or "Service", which is *exactly* what we're discussing here, you'll use the Web 2.0 version, namely "Deliverable".

      As somebody else pointed out, this term is much older. Good managers use this term because they're thinking at an abstract level about how work gets done and how to organize people. When I design a system, I often talk about objects, rather than specific things like invoices or customers. Like "deliverable", "object" is an overgeneralization that makes it easier to think about certain things in abstract terms.

    20. Re:When in Rome... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      No, you are using emotionally loaded words to involke a non-natural response with the intention of misleading people. Not cool.

      When a company is making layoff, it's not because the future is rosy. You are speaking to someone that's been through it a couple of times.

      "Realignment"? STFU! ;-)

  11. What you need to do: by TheGrapeApe · · Score: 5, Funny

    Start thinking "outside the box". You need to take a more solution-oriented approach to your problem and focus on your deliverables.

    I think you'll find that if you shift your paradigm a little bit, your growth intensity will increase by orders of magnitude.

    Just create a win-win big picture for yourself and you're success strategy will manifest itself with "positive team margins" for everyone around you.

    1. Re:What you need to do: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "positive team margins"

      I KNOW you're busy, but try to lay off the fast food a bit, will ya?

    2. Re:What you need to do: by Xyrus · · Score: 2, Funny

      *bluaaaaarrrrrrrrrffffffffffffff*

      Thanks for making me puke on my keyboard. You owe me a new one.

      ~X~

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    3. Re:What you need to do: by archen · · Score: 1

      Actually I'm going to set this up as an email template. I think I can respond to 80% of my mail this way. Now that I think about it, if I plug in some corperate-speak variables, most people probably won't be able to tell I'm sending them the same message either...

    4. Re:What you need to do: by engine+matrix · · Score: 1

      If we take care of the low hanging fruit we can more effectively align with the "business".

    5. Re:What you need to do: by pentalive · · Score: 1

      *bluaaaaarrrrrrrrrffffffffffffff*

      Thanks for making me puke on my keyboard. You owe me a new one.

      There you go... the act of getting you a new keyboard (and perhaps installing it and removing the old one) is
      a deliverable.

  12. Basically... by orkysoft · · Score: 1

    Leveraging synergy means killing two birds with one stone.

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    I suffer from attention surplus disorder.
    1. Re:Basically... by Captain+Sarcastic · · Score: 1

      And all this time I called it "utilizing a multiple-targeting anti-avian geological projectile system."

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    2. Re:Basically... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      Did you just say you'd found the cure for bird flu? That's amazing!

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  13. Let me work on my execuspeak by Tweekster · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dont YOU worry about blank, let ME worry about blank... or Blank? BLANK!?! you are not looking at the big picture.

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    The phrase "more better" is acceptable English. suck it grammar Nazis
    1. Re:Let me work on my execuspeak by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 1

      That was the best Futurama quote, ever!

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  14. The Dark Side of Semantics by Crash+Culligan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unfortunate? Yes. Ugly? Absolutely. And some folks are aware of just how bad it can get. But it may also be unavoidable in the rarified air of the management environment.

    Communication is, among many other things, using terms and phrases that others understand. And some management-speak ("deliverables," "work-products," etc.) has precise meaning within the work environment. Not everyone knows what those terms mean, but in the shop that uses them regularly, not only will they be recognized, but for instance if you ask them what the difference between deliverables and work-products are, they can tell you. (I picked those two because, having worked in the office of a process improvement consultancy, I know what the difference is too. Or at least, I know a reasonable-sounding set of definitions.)

    It may be an odd dialect they speak, but they don't do it just to confuse people. They do it to communicate, and it's worthwhile to learn it even if it does sound stupid.

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    You cannot truly appreciate Dilbert until you read it in the original Klingon.
  15. Great, we can start right away by VP · · Score: 0

    Work with me to remove this cancer from our workplaces because our language is part of who we are.

    Step one:

    "3. If your in position of power..." should read "3. If you're in position of power..."

    1. Re:Great, we can start right away by timster · · Score: 1

      Though I loathe that particular error, I think he has an important idea that reaches to the soul of language. This has little to do with an error that is only slightly above the typographical class.

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      I have seen the future, and it is inconvenient.
    2. Re:Great, we can start right away by Ckwop · · Score: 1

      "3. If your in position of power..." should read "3. If you're in position of power..."

      Jesus Christ, I knew I'd make an error and it had to be something as gastly as that. I am ashamed.

      Simon

    3. Re:Great, we can start right away by JamieKitson · · Score: 0

      Well you missed out the "a", so na-nah-na-na-nah :P

  16. Pick Your Battles by W.+Justice+Black · · Score: 1

    Everyone has to deal with this at some point, and everyone's going to have a different opinion about it.

    When you're talking to superiors, use whatever language they want, standing your ground only when someting REALLY bugs you (like I do when folks ask if I "have enough bandwidth" to do something unrelated to data transmission). When talking to folks not your superior, use whatever language you want that is clear and effective. This way, you get the best of both worlds for (IMHO) marginal effort.

    When you do pick a battle, in general you want to make sure it's private and the evidence is overwhelming (nobody likes being corrected by an underling in front of their peers).

    Now if only we could get folks to stop mis-using "tragic." Consequences can only be tragic in the traditional definition if preceeded by an act of hubris (look it up). It's gotten bad enough, however, that dictionaries are generalizing the definition to match the evening news, so the battle may already be lost :-(.

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    1. Re:Pick Your Battles by n6kuy · · Score: 1
      It's gotten bad enough, however, that dictionaries are generalizing the definition to match the evening news, so the battle may already be lost :-(

      How tragic.
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      If you disagree with me on social issues, then it's pretty clear that you are a narrow-minded bigot.
    2. Re:Pick Your Battles by EggyToast · · Score: 1
      The only one I currently battle is using "architect" as a verb. I'm a geek enough to know what paradigms, quanta, and synergy is, so I actually enjoy their use (because it's easy to use them mockingly, and it helps to point out the cliche).

      After all, to me it's not so much that these words or phrases are bad. It's that they're often being used in entirely the wrong context, like your bandwidth example. Or using "download" seriously when nothing's being downloaded. At that point, it's only one quick hop over to cliche, and then the term's doomed, no matter how useful it may be perceived.

    3. Re:Pick Your Battles by sconeu · · Score: 1

      I didn't think that tragedy required hubris, merely a flawed protagonist.

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    4. Re:Pick Your Battles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I laughed at this even if no one else will. ;)

  17. Know the lingo, but you don't have to use it by dankney · · Score: 3, Informative

    You're going to have to know the corporate lingo in order to survive in that culture. That doesn't mean you have to use it.

    Be aware, though, the jargon evolved for a reason. While doing contract Sarbanes-Oxley work for a major telcom, I found that meetings that used jargon were far more efficient than the meetings that didn't. That doesn't mean that everyone uses it meaningfully and responsibly, but when you're in a room with a group that does, it can be amazingly efficient.

    1. Re:Know the lingo, but you don't have to use it by Squid · · Score: 1

      Corporatese isn't technical jargon. It wouldn't be an issue if it were. We wouldn't mind if it were technical words for the nuts and bolts of the operation of the company, but it isn't.

      Geeks understand the concept of jargon and can even pick up the basics of a jargon in a new field pretty quickly. That's why we hate corporate-speak: it doesn't work like jargon. It's not about using specialized words to communicate complicated ideas quickly, it's about communicating simple ideas in a complicated way in order to sound impressive. It's related to social rank, a thing many geeks don't even believe exist (I know I don't). It doesn't even follow the most basic rule of jargon: that if you don't know what a term means, others in the room do, that the word has a defined meaning. Corporatespeak holds no such reassurance.

  18. Read the Wall Street Journal for guidance by Animats · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Read the Wall Street Journal for guidance on how to talk about business. The Journal covers most aspects of business, yet there's very little "corporate speak". If you follow their style, you'll come across well to upper management, all of whom, unless totally incompetent, read it daily.

  19. Sir, it depends just on you, nobody else... by Maljin+Jolt · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is corporate speak a necessary evil?

    Nah, dude.

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    1. Re:Sir, it depends just on you, nobody else... by necro2607 · · Score: 0

      wtf, whatever, its not liek u noe !! :P

    2. Re:Sir, it depends just on you, nobody else... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      ah yes, I have used the Dude delimited protocol my self.

      Dude, did you see that? he total was expecting a boxcar left, when if went brick wall, dude.

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  20. Crux of the problem by Billosaur · · Score: 1, Troll
    I have noticed that as I deal more and more with upper management, selling them on products and direction, as well as with hardware/software vendors, the dreaded corporate speak slang is becoming part of my daily life.

    There you have it. Upper management. The bane of IT's existence. Mostly vacuous, possibly harmless, but given the reins of power and turned loose with their copies of "The 7 Habits of Highly Defective People" and sent out to manage projects and departments which they know nothing about. And because they are for the most part ignorant, they develop these buzzwords and this slang to make them appear learned, while all it does is make them look stupider.

    Tell them to piss off.

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    1. Re:Crux of the problem by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      they develop these buzzwords and this slang to make them appear learned, while all it does is make them look stupider.

      I hate to nitpick, but you know, you did post it... and based on your later advice "tell them to piss off", I'd wager that word usage like this generally peppers your oral communications....

      There's more to sounding learned than the use of buzzwords!

      =)

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      I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
  21. Mod parent up. by khasim · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Corporate speak is basically the same type of "Rah-Rah" speech you here at Amway/Mary Kay/etc conventions. It's just for pumping up peoples emotions rather than conveying useful information.
    Bingo!

    When you listen to two people chattering away in corp-speak, all they're doing is trying to convince each other and/or themselves how great they are or this option is or whatever.

    Sometimes it is used to pretend that the problems aren't really problems, or that they aren't as bad as they really are.

    Finally, it is used to assign blame for failure (althought "blame" and "failure" are not the words used).

    A. You can talk about exciting opportunities to align the company with industry leading visionaries ...

    B. Or you can say "it will cost $5,000 and take 2 people 3 months to implement and increase our sales by $2 million a year".

    When you don't have "B", you talk "A".

    It's all about selling, inside your company, outside your company, your project, yourself, your soul, your loyalty, you ideas, your lies, your co-workers down the river.

    Corp-speak is what they use when they don't have anything else and they need to persuade themselves and others.
    1. Re:Mod parent up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you can speak the dialect, you might consider whether it would be beneficial to enhance a deliverable using newly-prepared compact linear consumption units.

      If not, you might find youself saying "Do you want fries with that?"

      Just a thought....

    2. Re:Mod parent up. by 'nother+poster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or you can be talented at what you do. I don't make as much money as I could if I was willing to put up with more crap at work and not point up managements faults, like using corpspeak. They haven't gotten rid of me after all these years. Want to know why? Because when the shit drops in the pot, I can make really tasty shit stew. When they make a totaly unworkable app and roll it out I'm the one that finds the problems and tells them how to fix them. I am a poor programmer, but I understand how computers work and can find the faults in the application design. I am very unliked where I work, and as soon as they can find a replacement for me, my ass is going to bounce on the pavement when they kick me out, but they haven't found a replacement in ten years yet.

    3. Re:Mod parent up. by lrichardson · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Two other things regarding corp-speak.

      First and foremost, virtually every group develops its own language of obfuscation. It identifies who is in the group (and understands it), and who isn't. Which becomes a self-reinforcing form of validation. The unfortunate side-effect of that is the tendency of people in a given group to discount anyone who doesn't speak the lingo.

      Second, corp-speak is intentionally vague and general. If something goes wrong, and the person who f*!@ed up points the finger at you, you can always say "I didn't tell him to do that! He misinterpreted my statement!"

      I span a couple of groups with their own language - programmers, accountants, lawyers, and doctors. I still trip up on the occasional buzz-word/phrase that means completely different things to each. Band. Debug. Clamp. Sudden Death ;). The first time a relative used the term MI in a description of her day, I made the connection. However, unless one is familiar with terms like Myocardial Infarction, you'd be left in the dark ... which is one way doctors use to justify rather high salaries ("You don't understand. I'm a doctor, and went to school for many years to learn this stuff!")

      The original question was whether one needed to learn it. God yes! If you don't understand it, you will be treated as an outsider; get blind-sided by things you should have known ("But no-one said anything!" "What do you mean? We've been elevating the risk assessment of that challenge for weeks!"); and all sorts of other issues.

      Learn to swim with the other sharks, or they'll turn on you. It's that simple.

    4. Re:Mod parent up. by Daniel+Wood · · Score: 2, Funny

      Bingo!

      Exactly!

      What the OP should do is this: At the next meeting they have, play buzzword bingo.

      How to play: Before the meeting, make a bingo sheet of buzzwords. As the meeting progresses and people use the buzzwords you mark your bingo board. Once you have a bingo you do as you would in any bingo game!

      I actually had a supervisor of mine (a LTC) do this once at a briefing. It was priceless.

    5. Re:Mod parent up. by Andre+Alessi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, the "assigning blame" thing is a bit simplistic. Corporatese is often about eluding responsibility so it lands on other people, preferrably lower order peons or the customer. That's simply what "ownership" means. When managers say they want their employees to take ownership of their clients'/customers' issues, what they mean is that they're not going to take any responsibility for stuff ups themselves, nor are they going to do anything to change the systemic failures that led to said issues in the first place. Because their employees are being "empowered to take ownership" of things that they can never prevent and can only rectify with difficulty. Another good one is "empowering our customers". That's exactly the same thing as ownership, except you blame the customer, not the employee.

    6. Re:Mod parent up. by stunt_penguin · · Score: 1

      Steve? Steve Balmer is that you?

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    7. Re:Mod parent up. by anothy · · Score: 2, Interesting
      you've just illustrated exactly how most engineers just don't get what's going on here. to start:
      ...all they're doing is trying to convince each other and/or themselves how great they are or this option is or whatever.
      um, yeah. and convincing people that some option is worthwhile isn't a useful goal? sure, it's not the only goal, and people (especially technical people) who can't effectively communicate on in other ways as well - like investigation, reporting information, and so on - are missing a vital part of communication, but convincing people of something is an entirely valid goal.

      take, for example, your A and B examples. you've suggested that A is essentially a way to cover up perceived deficiencies in B. but it's not. they're saying very different things about the same topic. B is about cost, in both money and time. it's the way project managers think, or technical folks who rise above just pure implementation. but A is about why that cost is worth it. A conveys different information than B; in your example, A suggests that the players in the industry with the most future-looking plans are doing "whatever", and are likely worth following (presumably based on past performance). it also makes use of emotive words, something that frequently grates on engineers as "unanalytical" or some such. but for people - particularly people with a less analytical mindset, but really for any mentally healthy human - emotion conveys an encapsulated set of information. the information in A - the information conveyed by means of emotive lanugage - is the type of information that decision-makers use to decide what they'd like to do. B - the cost - comes later.

      none of this is to say that it can't get out of control. sure, sometimes bad business folks want to use one mode of language to replace the other. and that's not good, because it obscures information. but just as frequently bad engineers want to use one mode to replace another, and that's just as bad; it just obscures different information.
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    8. Re:Mod parent up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (throws chair across stage at stunt_penguin)

    9. Re:Mod parent up. by arodland · · Score: 1

      B is about cost, in both money and time. it's the way project managers think, or technical folks who rise above just pure implementation. but A is about why that cost is worth it.

      No, it's not. It's about unrelated fluff that might have something to do with how you came to the idea that B was worth it, and which might have been relevant at a strategy meeting 6 months ago. In itself, B is worth it because it will increase sales by $2 million a year. That's its nature, and its entire relevance to your business position. The rest, in context, is just cheerleading.

  22. Speaking in code by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is this just something one has to cope with in order to climb the corporate ladder?

    When you are just an IT guy, speaking with other IT guys, you can say, "Alice is lazy." or "Bob is a selfish asshat." or "Charlie is overworked." without any fear of reprisal. Who cares what you think?

    Once you become a suit, however, you can't say things like that to your fellow suits (at least not in public) because when Alice, Bob or Charlie gets fired, doesn't get a promotion, files a greivance, or feels their bonus is too small, your comments will be held against you. So, Alice becomes "externally motivated". Bob becomes "independent and self-reliant". Charlie becomes "a key asset". Who the heck talks like this? More importantly, who the heck would *want* to talk like this?

    Why, other suits, of course. Suits want to be able to communicate with each other, but not necessarily communicate with non-suits. So, they use a thousand words of double talk to avoid answering a simple question, because if they were to give a real, informative answer, it would get them in trouble. What do you say when any answer, including dead silence or "No comment." would cause wild rumors in the department and mass defections, or cause your stock to dip, or make the IT guys revolt, or otherwise tie your hands at some point in the future? Why, you use a weighted cost benefit analysis strategy to rationalize the ROI for all the relevant options, and leverage those key insights into a forward looking strategy for addressing the primary mission tasks in a teamwork-based approach.

    And while everyone is trying to figure out what you just said, you slip out the side door.

    When your words carry more weight, you use them more carefully.

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    The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. - Mark Twain
    1. Re:Speaking in code by htrp · · Score: 1

      I am disturbed by the fact that I actually understood that sentence.... too much time with suits.

    2. Re:Speaking in code by bergeron76 · · Score: 1

      When your words carry more weight, you use them more carefully.

      Well said.

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    3. Re:Speaking in code by Wellington+Grey · · Score: 1

      Once you become a suit, however, you can't say things like that to your fellow suits (at least not in public) because when Alice, Bob or Charlie gets fired, doesn't get a promotion, files a greivance, or feels their bonus is too small, your comments will be held against you.

      So corporate speak is a symptom of the greater issue: not being able to fire someone because they are a lazy, selfish asshat.

      -Grey

    4. Re:Speaking in code by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 1

      Dilbert: "Would you say this a diverse workplace?"
      Dogbert: "Sure. Di longer you verk here, diverse it gets."

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    5. Re:Speaking in code by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      What do you say when any answer, including dead silence or "No comment." would cause wild rumors in the department and mass defections, or cause your stock to dip, or make the IT guys revolt, or otherwise tie your hands at some point in the future? Why, you use a weighted cost benefit analysis strategy to rationalize the ROI for all the relevant options, and leverage those key insights into a forward looking strategy for addressing the primary mission tasks in a teamwork-based approach.

      Well yeah, but that doesn't mean anything.

      --
      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
  23. Corporate Lingo by ADRA · · Score: 1

    Is it just me, or there other slashdotters that don't know WTF you define 'corporate lingo'. Its a pretty vague term which is apparently all negative according to this crowd. I can imagine hate for something thats an aface to you, but what exactly is 'corporate lingo'? I've been in IT and business for a good seven years and I've never heard the term ever mentioned. Not from IT guys, business people, anything. Maybe could you use a more acurate in describing what you hate. Talking of vagueness, you aren't doing a good job describing what you hate. Its like saying 'I hate Windows' and leaving up to the reader to infer why.

    Could it be you hate liars that make themselves important through generalities? Well you don't need to be a 'business' speaker to do that. I've seen many a technical worker try to snow job their way through work. Often, they suceeded.

    I've had difficulty at times related to my lack of business savy. ROI's were a pill to swallow as an IT guy just trying to make things better. For us its easier. If it makes things better, we should probably do it, and now! Wereas in business, there's more to a problem than just the most elegant and immediately relevant solution.

    So bringing this back to the beginning, what are you talking about? The clash between business/techical ethics, assholes trying to game the system, or something else?

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    1. Re:Corporate Lingo by geekoid · · Score: 1

      wow, you work under a rock.
      I ahve heard the term 'Corporate Lingo' every where I ever worked. The only exception is a government job. By it's nature, people go out of there way to use clear precise terms.

      Obviously, not the politicians, but the workers.

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  24. Pot Meet Kettle... by trix_e · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Kettle Meet Pot...

    As much as you apparently abhor "corporate speak"... its just slang (as you point out) specific to a particular culture. You seem perfectly comfortable using euphemisms ("an already full plate" vs. "too many things to do"), these are just new ones. Every culture and group has it... think of how many you use in the IT world. Would one of your non-IT corporate wonks understand if you told him you'd ping someone and get back to him?

    Oh stewardess! I speak jive... Jus' hang loose, blood. She gonna catch ya up on da' rebound on da' med side.

    (and don't even get me started on Gladiator movies)

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    No man is an island, but Gary is a city in Indiana.
    1. Re:Pot Meet Kettle... by abb3w · · Score: 1
      You seem perfectly comfortable using euphemisms ("an already full plate" vs. "too many things to do"), these are just new ones.

      The difference (and problem) with much of corporate speak is that instead of trying to convey the substance of an idea (albeit in a culture-centric way), it is designed to hide the lack of substance behind an idea.

      Would one of your non-IT corporate wonks understand if you told him you'd ping someone and get back to him?

      Bad example; too many ex-navy around... although submariners usually don't turn into buzzword-spewing wonks.

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      //Information does not want to be free; it wants to breed.
  25. Can't... Resist... by VP · · Score: 3, Funny

    Surely you meant to write "ghastly", didn't you?

  26. This happens a lot when one manages by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    I'm now the Data Manager for a Research Data Center in the Medical Genetics realm, and we use a lot of corporate-speak - well, more like doc-speak (most researchers here are MDs).

    We refer to PTSDs, use abbreviations like Htn. for Hypertension, and things like that.

    One of my jobs is to make sure it gets untranslated, that we actually enter the true pharmacological name for medications instead of our common abbreviation, though.

    It's like when I got promoted in the Army, and was able to give legal orders, I had to unlearn all the swearing that we used to do before that.

    One adapts.

    Now, force that line to compile and pass it some heavy switches, soldier!

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    -- Tigger warning: This post may contain tiggers! --
    1. Re:This happens a lot when one manages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It's like when I got promoted in the Army, and was able to give legal orders, I had to unlearn all the swearing that we used to do before that.


      Oh my... you had to have been an officer. If not, what kind of unit were you in? Where I served the E-7's gave George Carlin a run for the money.

      "Soldiers, drop your socks and grab your cocks! MOVE OUT" was standard till we became a bit more diversified with respect to gender... and we were techs! I think the combat arms guys (those who actually kill stuff) could remove paint with their voice. Then again, times have changed in the last ten years.

      I was watching CNN the other day and it seems as though they're loosening up basic training again. If I were bound for Iraq I'd want the meanest bastards around training me how to survive.. because I'd be afraid not to learn.
  27. Consultants are larning these terms? by AbstraktMethodz · · Score: 1

    I have learned a lot of this business terminology not from being a corporate wage slave (which I am), but from doing outside contract work. I think its a good idea for consultants learn these buzz words, since often enough they are dealing with business people as clients. I believe that corporate-slang word "deliverables" is really a legal term found in most independent contracts. Otherwise suck it down and tell them you have "domain specific" knowledge and the ability to "add value", and the man will pay you.

  28. Corporate Speak bad for techies? by weeboo0104 · · Score: 0

    Corporate Speak does have its place when presenting ideas and talking to management. I don't think that phrases like "organic growth" and "level setting our value add contributions" really help System Engineers manage the actual hardware or userbase within their organizations.

    The hardcore techies who focus more on buzzwords than technical knowledge will eventually find their existing technical skills becoming obsolete if they don't make a move to management.

    Just the other day on my way into work, I saw a former DBA on the street corner, in a beat up suit asking passing people "Hey buddy, Can you paradigm?"

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    It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men. -Frederick Douglass
  29. It's everywhere! by why-is-it · · Score: 1

    There is no getting away from corporate-speak, but we can try to curb the worst excesses.

    What I find most offensive is when words that are not verbs, are made into verbs:

    PHB: Can you action this for me?

    Action is not a verb, and making it one does not clarify what the PHB is asking me to do. From an aural perspective, it has more interesting implications, and I assume that is why the suits speak that way.

    When I discuss a technical problem with my colleagues, we use acronyms and concepts that my manager simply does not understand, but we completely understand. In doing so, we are able to communicate more efficiently amongst ourselves. I wonder if the suits are not doing the same thing?

    When all else fails, there is always bullshit bingo!

    --
    *** Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket?
    1. Re:It's everywhere! by Captain+Sarcastic · · Score: 1
      When I discuss a technical problem with my colleagues, we use acronyms and concepts that my manager simply does not understand, but we completely understand. In doing so, we are able to communicate more efficiently amongst ourselves. I wonder if the suits are not doing the same thing?


      Sometimes language is in the mouth of the speaker:

      I am tenacious, you are stubborn, he is mule-headed.
      --
      Strike while the irony is hot! -- The Freethinker
    2. Re:It's everywhere! by paeanblack · · Score: 1

      What I find most offensive is when words that are not verbs, are made into verbs

      "I'm most offended by the verbing of nouns." ...much simpler.

      English is flexible...change it to suit your needs. If verbing nouns or nouning adjectives helps you get your message across, don't let the rules of grammer stop you. Those 'rules' only exist to aid communication by standardization. When the rules get in the way, toss them out the window.

      Consider grammar as a pile of RFCs, not the ten commandments. If you need a new rule, make one.

    3. Re:It's everywhere! by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      PHB: Can you action this for me?

      Aaaaarrrrgggghhh! That's the one that does my head in. That's the one that's like fingernails on a blackboard to me. WHAT THE HELL BECAME OF THE PERFECTLY GOOD ENGLISH VERB 'TO DO', FUCKERS?

      May Lucifer and Cthulhu devour the souls of all PHBs who use 'action' as a verb, over a candlelit dinner date!

      --
      Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
    4. Re:It's everywhere! by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "Can you to do this for me?"

      That makes even less sense.

      Every group had there dialect/Jargon. Really, I.T. is the worst of them all.

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    5. Re:It's everywhere! by jbbernar · · Score: 1

      What I find most offensive is when words that are not verbs, are made into verbs

      English derives its power from this sort of flexibility. There is nothing wrong with it per se, except from a prescriptivist viewpoint.

    6. Re:It's everywhere! by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      It does add complexity and inconsistency to an already complex and inconsistent language. Action has a -tion suffix. It's a noun. It describes a state or process of doing or acting. All words ending in "-tion" behave in a similar way. None of them are verbs.

    7. Re:It's everywhere! by nasch · · Score: 1

      I do what think you said just sense not.

      I just made new rules about English because I thought it suited my needs. What do you think?

      The rules of grammar are not there to look pretty, they're there so that when you say something, the meaning I construct in my head has a good chance of being similar to the meaning you had in your head before you said it. If everyone makes up language whenever it suits them, that starts to break down (which is *exactly* what we're talking about here - PHB says a word, and the geek he's talking to doesn't have the means to construct any meaning from it). If you really have a problem that English doesn't address, such as the lack of a gender-neutral pronoun, then maybe you can get creative. But this case is so asinine I can't believe anyone would defend it - as the earlier poster said, WTH is wrong with "do"? I'll tell you what's wrong with it: it sounds too plain and not technical enough. So instead of using the word that is PERFECTLY suited to the meaning he wants to communicate, he abuses a different word that's a completely different part of speech, just so he can be using business lingo. There is no excuse for it.

  30. It's just language! by stienman · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Each of those phrases, and many others you run into, have real meaning. Others in this thread have already commented on the specific phrases you bring up.

    The reality is that people speak in terms that are common to their field. If you read any of the literature that your business peers reads, run in the same circles that they run in, and even think about the same problems they think about, you'll find yourself adopting their terminology.

    It will make sense to you to do so, for the terms they use are actually more precise in their intended meaning than the replacements you give. You are tending to describe the main action or effect of a particular phrase, but the phrase actually encompasses much more. A realignment is exactly that - it may have the effect of layoffs, hires, and other movement of people, but it doesn't necessarily involve all or any of those things.

    When they speak to you about a realignment, and you say, "Oh, you mean layoffs?" they will simply tune you out.

    If they were to come into your field and choose not embrace your language you would certainly feel as though they don't really understand, and you would subsequently marginalize them and their work.

    -Adam

    1. Re:It's just language! by Airconditioning · · Score: 1

      I think there's another issue here, in regards to your "realignment" example. Having an ambiguous synomym for layoffs or getting fired means it's difficult for the victim to send the lawyers out on you.

      "Oh no, she wasn't fired, we've restructured."

      In Australia, workplace laws have been changed that employers of a certain category can essentially fire people on the premise that the company is restructuring or whatever. Suddenly, businesses are staging impromptu restructuring exercises. :) Using direct language like "you're fired" or "layoffs" means the message is clear and you're accountable for it, which most businesses don't want to be.

    2. Re:It's just language! by realsablewing · · Score: 1
      A lot depends on whether you like the company and job that you are doing. If the answer is yes to both, then yes, I would recommend learning this other language and treating it as a foreign language that you need to learn to get the resources you need to get your job done. I started off in a technical path and I vastly prefer to do technical work. However, because I didn't speak the language of management, I found it almost impossible to get money, people and tools to improve how I get my work done. And when presenting status, I would get puzzled stares or annoyance.

      By learning some of the terminology and how to translate real progress into management measurements, such as 'earned value', milestones, etc, I find it much easier to get money and work I want to do instead of spending all of my time griping about those PHB's that don't understand me. Seems to work for me, so far, as I am actually getting more time to spend on technical activities and I'm spending less time on 'management' work, because I've learned key things to say and do.

      Just my two cents, my advice is worth exactly what you've paid for. (Not including bandwidth and any telecom fees you've spent to access this post)

      --
      I used to be an adult but then I grew up.
    3. Re:It's just language! by bendz · · Score: 1

      A book "Death Sentences" How Cliches, Weasel Words, and Management-Speak are Strangling Public Language. What is scary is that I could almost hear voices of people I know when I read it. The upshot of the book is the fact that a lot of "those" people haven't a clue as to what they are actually saying or thinking. This not a shameless plug I didn't write it, never met the guy that wrote it. I will however send him a bill.

    4. Re:It's just language! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes, it is still bullshit, right?

      http://www.vidlit.com/house/

  31. Society is doomed. by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    I'd say that lettting it collapse as soon as possible is the best thing, but that is not a complete solution. We need to work on a new society infrastructure required for a healthy society. Unfortunately, the current dying society is using resources that will be required for the new infrastructure. In order to remedy this, wars will have to be fought.

  32. One word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Paintball.

  33. NAS and NFS by hackwrench · · Score: 2, Informative

    NAS (Network Attached Storage) is hardware that connects to the network with minimal computer components.
    NFS (Network File System) is a Filesystem layer exposed to clents for connecting to storage on the network, be they NAS or server-based storage.

    There isn't necessarily a clear line between NAS and server-based storage, but there is a clear difference between NAS and NFS.

  34. In Terms Of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When will this cliche padding end?

  35. You at least need to be able to translate it. by jonadab · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You do NOT have to start speaking corporatese yourself, at least, not mostly. You may occasionally have to demonstrate the ability to do so, but on the whole you should express yourself clearly in plain English. However, not being able to decipher the unclear speech of the higher-ups would be a significant problem. However lame their lingo may be, you'll nonetheless want to learn enough of it to be able to understand them at least as well as they understand one another. And, I should note, this sort of language is not very hard to learn. It's much easier to deciper than e.g. legal verbiage, or even some of the weirder corners of academia.

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  36. My thoughts exactly... by Vellmont · · Score: 1

    Use words that add meaning to what you're trying to say. Don't use words that subtract meaning from what you're trying to say. Calling layoffs "realignments" and difficult people as "challenging" is obviously just doubletalk nonsense designed to hide what's real. But value-added and total cost of ownership are phrases that actually convey meaning that other phrases/words don't.

    Also, don't abuse these words either. Know what they actually mean and when to use them. There's plenty of people that don't know what they mean and throw them out like buzzwords. Maybe that's why the original poster thinks all corporate speak is a load of dingoes' kidneys.

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    1. Re:My thoughts exactly... by Bloater · · Score: 1

      > Calling layoffs "realignments" and difficult people as "challenging" is obviously just doubletalk nonsense designed to hide what's real.

      "layoffs" implies that you think you are being brutal, "realignments" implies that think you are doing what you have to.

      "difficult" implies that you disapprove of a person's interation with other people, "challenging" says you don't care, you just want to get the best out of your staff.

      Your choice of word will affect the actions taken by your colleagues. That is why managers use C-speak - they have to influence the way their colleagues behave toward staff and problems.

      Some C-speak is unpleasant though, ie, referring to staff as "resources". A manager using that isn't trying to hide anything, he's telling you that you are expendable, and he will cut your throat like he might cut a utility bill.

    2. Re:My thoughts exactly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "layoffs" implies that you think you are being brutal, "realignments" implies that think you are doing what you have to.


      i thought it was: "firings" implies that you think you are being brutal, "layoffs" implies that think you are doing what you have to.


    3. Re:My thoughts exactly... by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      "difficult" implies that you disapprove of a person's interation with other people, "challenging" says you don't care, you just want to get the best out of your staff.

      I see it a bit differently. They both imply "hard to work with," but "challanging" also implies, "...but well worth the effort."

      When I did tech support for an ISP, I was probably considered challanging. I was very senior, far more than my supervisors. There were many things I could do without a moment's thought that almost nobody else knew because they applied to legacy versions of our software that most techs had never seen. I tended to get a bit impatient with junior techs that missed "obvious" solutions and maybe a tad arrogant, although I hope not. (I was, however, happy to answer sensible questions about these things and teach others what I knew. The more I taught, the less I had to do myself. Alas, so few ever bothered to ask.) Good supervisors quickly learned to give me enough freedom to do my job the way I knew was right, with enough supervision to rein me in if I went too far. (Hey, I'm only human!) They learned where my strengths were, and sent calls to me (or callbacks) that let me use them, rather than wasting my time on trivial calls while somebody else struggled with the hard ones. Bad supervisors just treated me like a cog in the machine and wondered why their team's numbers were so bad.

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    4. Re:My thoughts exactly... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      Calling layoffs "realignments" and difficult people as "challenging" is obviously just doubletalk nonsense designed to hide what's real.

      "layoffs" implies that you think you are being brutal, "realignments" implies that think you are doing what you have to.

      Exactly, and that what's meant by terms like doubletalk and doublespeak; you use words that imply a different meaning. The all time classic is "department of defense" or the Orwellian "Ministry of Truth" for the propaganda departments. Corporate speak has a lot of this, but the worst offenders are governments.

      In essense you are deliberately misleading people, because the act you are describing hasn't changed, you've just sugar-coated it. It's like using Saddam in the same sentance as "terrorist" at every opertunity. Sooner or later, the association sticks.

      When you find someone that uses terms like "right-sizing", never trust another thing they say ever again. You've just caught them trying to mislead you.

    5. Re:My thoughts exactly... by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      layoffs" implies that you think you are being brutal, "realignments" implies that think you are doing what you have to.

      To me, they sound liek they mean the same thing, except "realignment" sounds like the person using the word is trying to cover something up. Essentially it sounds like they're lying, but they don't actually succeed in deceiving, which is why people would lie in the first place. Net result - it makes people sound like pathological liars. At least it does to me.

  37. Just remember... by J'raxis · · Score: 2, Funny

    You merely have to remember that objective considerations of contemporary phenomena compel the conclusion that success or failure in competitive activities exhibits no tendency to be commensurate with innate capacity, but that a considerable element of the unpredictable must invariably be taken into account.

  38. So? by theonetruekeebler · · Score: 4, Informative
    Somewhere there's a BBS, maybe it's called "managedot.com", and there's a bunch of managers on there bitching about how IT Speak is invading the management sphere. They complain about "certificate authorities" and "throughput" and how their network was having "collsions." How instead of printers, they now have queues. That they have to use a "proxy" and "configure their SSL." It's all alien and a waste of time.

    All specialized realms have their own jargon. Managers deal with a corporation's resources, and employees are a resource that has to get hired, paid, evaluated and either promoted or fired. "Realignment" doesn't strictly mean "round of layoffs," but managers understand that realignments often result in layoffs. Management speak has its share of euphemisms: Sometimes managers have to do unpleasant things that will affect other people's lives. But for the most part, it is nothing more than a specialized vocabulary for dealing with resource issues.

    But don't say "paradigm" if you can avoid it. Or "synergy." Finally, don't hesitate to use your pre-existing specialized vocabulary to bullshit your way through bullshit situations.

    --
    This is not my sandwich.
    1. Re:So? by jcoleman · · Score: 1

      "Paradigm" and "synergy" both have very specific meanings and are quite useful when used correctly. Padding sentences with them is unforgivable, but when used properly they convey a very clear idea in a single word that would otherwise require an entire sentence. Writing these words off whole cloth marks you as unprofessional and somewhat uneducated.

  39. Analysis for how to cope by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    First sentence: No problem.

    Second sentence:
    ... your growth will accelerate by orders of magnitude. is a better rewrite of what was said, but the idea should be challenged, both the degrees by which "a little bit" and "orders of magnitude" would seem to indicate.

    Third sentence.
    If you look for a situation in which everyone can win, a successful stategy conveying many benefits will become clear.
    Again with ideas that should be challenged.

    1. Re:Analysis for how to cope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i agree on the first one. though it assumes that the listener understands the language, and judging by the board they dont. The first one says to think about the end result and focus on how to deliver it -- do not focus just on the process, but on ways to reach the end result (solution). however, this sort of statement has to be backed up by a structure and culture that supports risk-taking and innovation.

      -b
      CS/MPA

  40. Cursing by Confused · · Score: 1

    Cursing is a sign of weakness and leads to more trouble than the satisfaction is worth. I found to always be direct but polite is more efficient and in the long term gives less negative side effects. And if you can't say anything good about a person you don't realy care about, better don't say anything at all. Calling too many peoples arseholes just dilutes the meaning and put those really deserving this description into a better light by association.

    As to the buzzwords, for me works best if I speak to management in simple terms even my grandmother would understand. If I get exposed to a barrage of buzzwords from other manageroids, simply restating their drivel in simple words exposes its meaninglessness and does wonders to deflate them and presents them as charlatans. And asking managers to confirm after some very positively formulated statement that they just proposed to fire half the department is just priceless.

    1. Re:Cursing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cursing is a sign of weakness and leads to more trouble than the satisfaction is worth. I found to always be direct but polite is more efficient and in the long term gives less negative side effects. And if you can't say anything good about a person you don't realy care about, better don't say anything at all. Calling too many peoples arseholes just dilutes the meaning and put those really deserving this description into a better light by association.

      Fuck you.

  41. I just shrug it off by Rodong · · Score: 1

    I understand it alright, but i make a point out of answering corp-lingo in a most abrupt manner: Management type: Well we most definatly have to consider being more on and keeping proactive, to be ready for a paradigm shift in the flow of how.. Me:Mm..yes? Written work order please...state assignment and deadline. Might be because i'm a far lefty, but i really think they are closing in on Ron.L hubbard's wierdspeak..

  42. Just Another Language by fuzzybunny · · Score: 1

    Think of it as just another scripting language to learn.

    There's management-speak and there's bullshit.

    Management-speak isn't necessarily bad. As another poster stated very correctly, a lot of these words and phrases have real meaning, although I've banned my girlfriend, who's a pretty high-level strategy consultant, from using "input" and "feedback" in a personal context.

    Assuming you're a smart cookie, you can pick it up and figure out for yourself where the boundary lies. "Risk", "framework", "synergies", whatever, all have their place. "Realignment" instead of "layoffs" does not.

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    1. Re:Just Another Language by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      "Risk", "framework", "synergies", whatever, all have their place.

      Hmm. "Risk": certainly. Perfectly good word for something that happens in business on a daily basis. I've no quarrel with "risk".
      "Framework": again, no problem, though you might perhaps prefer to use words like "structure" or "system" in some circumstances.
      "Synergies": uh-oh. Sailing close to the wind here. That's a word that doesn't say so very much about the policy you're describing, as it says about you. It says 'I'm using fashionable management speak: promote me! I'm part of the club, just like you, boss!'

      While as a complete evil bastard I perceive the great potential advantages of whoring the English language for my own purposes, as a geek I loathe the very idea of corrupting communication in this way. Which, perhaps, is why management speak hurts so much. It tears me up inside!

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      Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
    2. Re:Just Another Language by fuzzybunny · · Score: 1

      "Synergies": uh-oh. Sailing close to the wind here. That's a word that doesn't say so very much about the policy you're describing, as it says about you. It says 'I'm using fashionable management speak: promote me! I'm part of the club, just like you, boss!'

      Not to be a pedant (oh, fine, I am) but http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=synergy sounds pretty legit for a lot of situations I encounter.

      Note, I don't work in operations, testing or R&D -- I am (*groan*) a consultant, so I do kinda get paid by people to help them figure out what will work best. Note my careful wording -- not to tell them what works best, but to sort of hold their hand on the way there. It's definitely true that fewer of these terms apply directly in the more hands-on parts of IT, but I'm very careful not to instinctively disdain some over-generalized category of "management-speaks" used by "the suits", some of whom can (surprise!) actually be pretty smart people.

      Where I agree 100% with you is a loathing and scorn for mis-use of fashionable terms purely to look good. Your terms "whoring" and "corrupting" are dead-on. However, many techies I encountered are just as bad as "the suits" when instinctively turning off the moment someone uses a term they pigeonhole as being business b.s. without really taking a moment to think about whether it might actually make sense.

      So conceptualize that value-added actionable proposition on a going-forward basis, team!

      --
      Cole's Law: Thinly sliced cabbage
  43. Cobranding Mindshare can harness expansion...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't you know that if you increase mindshare through leveraged cobranding and achieve maximum potential commercial exploitation opportunities, then the infite vectors of enhanced promotional opportunities can help potentially engage the optimal customer experiences, all in order to studiosly avoid corporate and industrial re-alignments that may or may not cause employee morale to nosedive while mortgage payments go to collections due to ...uh.. your ass showing up on www.fuckedcompany.com

  44. Test a company's credibility online: by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Test a company's credibility online by doing a Google search for an overused word or phrase. Limit the search to the company's web site using the "site:" prefix. For example, try the word "solution", as in "We don't sell products, we sell solutions." At the time I did the test, Google showed 640 hits for the word "solution" on the QWest Communications web site.

    Here are the first 25 hits on 08/02/2005, when I wrote this story:

    1. Whole House Digital Solution
    2. Uniform Access Solution (UAS)
    3. premises-based solution
    4. network-based solution
    5. Solution Providers
    6. Internet Port solution
    7. VoIP solution
    8. long-term solution, software solution
    9. Comprehensive Voice Solution
    10. hosted solution
    11. complete on-line trading solution
    12. VoIP solution set
    13. Web-Based Contact Center Solution
    14. Troubleshooting Guide Problem Solution
    15. Repeated: network-based solution
    16. national voice over Internet protocol (VoIP) solution
    17. iQ Networking solution, security solution
    18. preset solution
    19. e-Solution
    20. complex integrated ASP solution
    21. carrier-grade solution
    22. Repeated: Internet Port solution
    23. Business Solution
    24. Government Technology Solution, Centrex PRIME solution
    25. Qwest solution

    This is not a complaint about QWest, which seems to have good telephone and DSL service. But their marketing language may need reconsideration.

    If you need a list of over-used terms, visit the Bullsh**t Bingo web site. There's a Bulls**t Bingo movie, too. I think they should do a re-make of the movie in which, once Bingo is reached, the speaker is required to leave the room immediately. (Remember to put quote marks around phrases. We respect the ownership of any trademarks on the list.)
  45. Be the Charismatic Straight Talker by clambake · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When you hear this kind of stuff, call people on it. They will be amazed, if you are charismatic enough.

    Right in the middle of the meeting, assuming everyone around you is part of the company and not clients/customers, say "Hey Bob, hold up a second. Why exactly did you say 'revirtualization of the engagement parameters' instead of 'come up with a new plan' just there? That sounds a bit like a buzz word babble. Now I don't have anything against you personally, but I don't think that kind of talk is appropriate for the workplace. It just leads to confusion of terms, and unclear communication, and when you don't have good, clear communication, you fail as a business."

    1. Re:Be the Charismatic Straight Talker by cruachan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bob is of course an idiot.

      But this is precisely what you shouldn't do. Bob is going to hate your guts for making him look like an idiot, the Friends of Bob around the table are also going to hate your guts for making their fried look like an idiot, and the ones left are going to think your a smartass and hate your guts in case you do it to them next. And they'll all be looking for a way to take you down a peg or two next time they get the chance - which as you're going to have to use techie jargon at some point is likely sooner than later.

      If you don't understand basic human nature at a level that can anticipate this then there's no way you should be let out of the techie corner except under close supervision. Charismatic? Ha.

    2. Re:Be the Charismatic Straight Talker by clambake · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But this is precisely what you shouldn't do. Bob is going to hate your guts for making him look like an idiot, the Friends of Bob around the table are also going to hate your guts for making their fried look like an idiot, and the ones left are going to think your a smartass and hate your guts in case you do it to them next. And they'll all be looking for a way to take you down a peg or two next time they get the chance - which as you're going to have to use techie jargon at some point is likely sooner than later.

      Sounds to me like the kind of people who aim for failure. If you find youself in that position, it's best to walk away. But still calling people on it. "Hey, you guys are trying to take me down a peg or two because of what I said to Bob. Look, you can't do that and expect to survive as a company. I'm afraid I have to go look elsewhere..."

      WHY? Because there ARE companies that exist that don't have these kinds of silly politics and infighting. They DO exist, I have worked at them, they make money...

      Of course, they might be in Japan.

    3. Re:Be the Charismatic Straight Talker by dimension6 · · Score: 1
      Oh, THAT'S subtle.

      As an IT admin, I communicate with all levels in the company. In general, picking on anyone's personal style is offensive to them (and often to the surrounding people). However, I agree that corporate speak is often annoying. Euphemistic language should only be used if there is a serious legal risk involved with being too direct (the ideal world is separate from the legal world!). Things should be spoken/written using the fewest and most concise words possible to convey the message. It saves everyone time. For generally great advice on clear writing (which also applies to speaking), look no further than the Economist Style Guide.

    4. Re:Be the Charismatic Straight Talker by asuffield · · Score: 2, Informative

      Too complex. I listen to their babble, look thoughtful for a moment, and then say:

      "So what you're saying is, you've got a new plan?"

      I don't bother telling them that they're being an idiot. I just make it very clear that I am going to reduce their twenty minutes of babble into one or two sentences. Furthermore I then proceed as if that's all they said - it's what the minutes will contain, if we're bothering to keep any, and it's the message I'll pass on to other people.

      I find that pretty soon, people catch on to the fact that spending twenty minutes talking to me is a waste of both our time, and they learn to abbreviate themselves. If they want to tell me something complicated, they write it down (if you can't explain yourself in five minutes then I'm not going to remember what you said anyway) - and I send them back a much shorter version with a note attached: "Is this what you mean?". And the short version is the one I always refer to after that.

      Basically, when people realise that all their noise is going to get filtered out right away, they stop delivering it. Probably because they don't want management to ask them why they needed an hour-long meeting to convey this paragraph of information. Bullshit cannot survive when it has to compete directly with clarity.

    5. Re:Be the Charismatic Straight Talker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      "I find that pretty soon, people catch on to the fact that spending twenty minutes talking to me is a waste of both our time"

      which is why they'll stop talking to you, and when they stop talking to you, you're 'out of the loop' (another truly excellent biz-speak term that it tooks me years to understand from my techie bunker). Once you're 'out of the loop', you're not going to get promoted or even consulted on half the stuff that goes on. You'll appear ignorant and uninformed in meetings, and that's not a good place to be. Pretty soon you'll be a 'special projects manager' waiting in the departure lounge for the next realignment.

      My advice to the original poster: if you're in a large company, you need friends, because you're only going to get any information from friends. Making friends is a matter of convincing them that you're 'their type of guy', and if that means wearing a comedy tie and a different pink shirt every day, you do it. OR you get out and 'explore other opportunities'

      If you're in a small company then you can get by on results alone and you only need to talk this talk if you have large-corporation customers who you need to be friendly with.

    6. Re:Be the Charismatic Straight Talker by GnuDiff · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Funny thing, of course, is not that Bob is an idiot, but that "you" (the speaker) aren't.

      Frankly, I am just as pissed at hearing someone described as "an idiot" as when he is described as "challenging" or "externally motivated".

      Both of these descriptions seem to share something - viewing people as flat cartoon things.
      Everything is mowed down to the level of the speaker. All too often, _whatever_ Bob does it is explained as done _because_ he is an idiot. Or "challenging", or "challenged", whatever you prefer.

      And it doesn't matter which of these he is called, as long as the speaker make the assumptions automatically, it's just as bad.

      I don't think we should fawn over people who do stupid things - we do what we got to do about them. However, all too often I can see and hear fellow people written down carelessly, by people who are not really any much better - but probably need to feel they are.

    7. Re:Be the Charismatic Straight Talker by c64k · · Score: 2, Insightful

      they sure as hell aren't in Japan.

      But your 'I'm much smarter than all of you' attitude will get you quickly fired from any company, clear communicating or not. Not because you were wrong in calling people on their fuzzy talk, but because you choose the most aggressive and antagonistic method of doing it.

      --
      CIA Industries - Running the world for fun and profit
    8. Re:Be the Charismatic Straight Talker by Placido · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is, you summarise their sentances?

      --

      Pinky: "What are we going to do tomorrow night Brain?"
      Brain: "I would tell you Pinky but this 120 char limi
    9. Re:Be the Charismatic Straight Talker by Tomfrh · · Score: 1

      Krusty: So he's proactive, huh?
          Lady: Oh, God, yes. We're talking about a totally outrageous
                      paradigm.
        Meyer: Excuse me, but "proactive" and "paradigm"? Aren't these just
                      buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important?
                      [backpedaling] Not that I'm accusing you of anything like that.
                      [pause] I'm fired, aren't I?
        Myers: Oh, yes.

    10. Re:Be the Charismatic Straight Talker by LazyBoy · · Score: 1

      Parent is right. You can't call them on it. But you might be able to lead by example: Refuse to speak it, even to the point of summarizing in "real language".

      --

      If Chaos Theory has taught us anything, it's that we must kill all the butterflies.

    11. Re:Be the Charismatic Straight Talker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Hey Bob, hold up a second. Why exactly did you say 'TCP/IP' instead of 'internet computer talky language' just there? That sounds a bit like a buzz word babble. Now I don't have anything against you personally, but I don't think that kind of talk is appropriate for the workplace. It just leads to confusion of terms, and unclear communication, and when you don't have good, clear communication, you fail as a business."

      And yeah, that's pretty much what you would sound like.

      The fact that YOU don't understand the jargon does not imply that it has no meaning.

    12. Re:Be the Charismatic Straight Talker by asuffield · · Score: 1

      If the only way you can remain gainfully employed is to talk bullshit all day so that people like you, then all I have to say is this:

      FIND A NEW JOB WITH A DIFFERENT COMPANY

      Seriously.

    13. Re:Be the Charismatic Straight Talker by cerberusss · · Score: 1
      And they'll all be looking for a way to take you down a peg or two

      I have just one advice to the GP: before they do, kill them all. That's what I did.

      --
      8 of 13 people found this answer helpful. Did you?
  46. IT steals other people's jargon to look important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The profession of IT is well known for copying other group's jargon just so they can ride on their hype. Examples:

    The phrase "in production": used to refer to a server whose configuration should not be changed. Stolen from manufacturing, where it refers to a design not to be changed in the middle of a production run; nothing the average IT guy runs is as rigid or as important as a real manufacturing design, for manufacturing things out of atoms. Log on to the goddamn server and update the software, and stop trying to use buzzwords to get out of work. Note: a web server you stuck on the company's network without permission years ago, and is now running 30 or 40 different websites and a CounterStrike server for your friends, but you have forgotten the root password, is not "in production".

    "DMZ": For "DeMilitarized Zone", an area where two cold war enemies agree not to put weapons, so they can focus on ripping off their respective taxpayers instead of fighting. Real demilitarized zones can get you killed by just sliding off a muddy road into a minefield. An IT "DMZ" is an admission that you can't actually get any work done behind the firewall, and that they don't know how to make the servers secure without the firewall, dressed up in some military jargon for mental masturbation.

    "Firewall": A real firewall stops an engine fire from spreading to the rest of the car. An IT firewall destroys the usefulness of the internet to avoid fixing certain broken software.

    "System Administrator": Computer janitor

    "Systems Architect": A computer janitor who does no work, the equivalent of "middle management"

    The use of "X Speak" to refer to group X's jargon, as in "Corporate Speak" in the story above: This comes from the book 1984. Only people who don't use their own ghey jargon are to be taken seriously when complaining about other people's ghey jargon. Thank you.

  47. Invading? by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

    Where I work they would say that corporate speak is "invasioning" our IT department.

    --
    Fascism trolls keeping me up every night. When I starts a preachin', he HITS ME WITH HIS REICH!
    1. Re:Invading? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      It's a perfectly cromulent word.

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
  48. Nicer sounding delivery by 91degrees · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A lot of people like a straight talker. People who avoid flowery language give the impression of honesty and reliability. You don't need realignments. You need layoffs! Otherwise you're lying to people. Which is completely pointless because you're not actually deceiving anyone, so you're a bastard and a liar rather than just a bastard.

    Avoid buzzwords, and avoid metaphor. Use jargon if neccesary, but only if it's absolutely clear from context or general use that everyone knopws what the jargon means. Learn the difference between jargon and buzzwords.

  49. The money is in the interface by cruachan · · Score: 1

    As you've obviously already taken a position that moves away from pure techie to more general management already then you should take onboard that to succeed in that role you have to interface effectively between IT and Management.

    Maybe you've not picked up on it yet, but managers are usually scared of dealing with the IT department. In most companies nowdays the managers are will aware that the company would collapse without the IT function, but at the same time they don't fully understand it and it's a cost centre which eats up their profits so is easily resented.

    Which is where you come in. General managers speak corporate. Get over it, they're comfortable with it so you have to be too. They are also quite aware that the IT department speaks techie - which they are painfully aware they don't understand. Niverna to a general managers is an IT type, such as yourself, who can communicate with with them on their level, but they know can then communicate with the IT department on a techie level. They want someone they can trust, feels understands them, but they know can then go away and get corporate IT right for what they want to do without them having to understand the details themselves. In otherwords metaphorically hold their hand and make the worry about IT go away :-)

    People who can do this - live comfortably in both worlds and move between them - are worth their weight in gold to corporates. Good ones who can maintain respect on both sides are also rare as it demands being able to handle two opposing methods of mindsets. It's a potentially very rewarding position - in more ways than one.

  50. Me... Neither... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely you meant to write "Judas Priest", didn't you?

  51. When they don't know or care they talk nonsense. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 3, Informative

    'Corporate speak is basically the same type of "Rah-Rah" speech'

    "Corporate speak" in technical companies is often due to the speaker not having much understanding of the technology, and not wanting to learn.

    See this comment posted later in this story to test a company's credibility online.

    I'm surprised that no one has mentioned "Bullsh**t Bingo". There is a link to it at the bottom of that comment.

    --
    Before, Saddam got Iraq oil profits & paid part to kill Iraqis. Now a few Americans share Iraq oil profits, & U.S. citizens pay to kill Iraqis. Improvement?

  52. Re:IT steals other people's jargon to look importa by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

    You may have had a point if you hadn't used the word "ghey". That destroys any and all credibility you may have ever had, and being an AC, you have no credibility to start with.

    --
    Please, for the good of Humanity, vote Obama.
  53. Talk like Peter by Withigo · · Score: 1

    BOB SLYDELL
    Uh, we should move on to a Peter Gibbons. I had a chance to meet this
    young man and boy does he have Straight to Upper Management written all
    over him.

    BILL
    Ooh, uh, yeah. I'm going to have to go ahead and sort of disagree with
    you there. Yeah. Uh, he's been real flaky lately and I'm not sure that
    he's the caliber person you want for upper management. He's been having
    some problems with his TPS reports.

    BOB PORTER
    I'll handle this. We feel that the problem isn't with Peter.

    BOB SLYDELL
    Um-um.

    BOB PORTER
    It's that you haven't challenged him enough to get him really
    motivated.

  54. Bad news... by troff · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... although I agree with every single straight-shooter and plain speaker (heck, "agree" isn't the word, so much as "scream hell yeah"), there are a couple of problems.

    Somewhere above, Theatetus spoke about being able to direct an MBA to an RFC and wanting to see a document that defined the buzzword bingo-like terms.

    Unfortunately, there IS such a document. Worse, an entire library of such books and three national-global standards.

    I'm planning, today, to apply for a job of senior tech support.

    One criterion was "experience in using job tracking tools". Which sounds pretty innocuous in and of itself.

    But not when you realise two more of the selection criteria were to have an understanding of "ITIL" (the Information Technology Infrastructure Library) and "AS8018 aka BS15000" (which is also "ISO20000").

    Oh. And specific and very detailed job-tracking is a critical component of ITIL / ITIL v3 / AS8018 / BS15000 / ISO20000. So much for innocuousness.

    These are, sadly, standards which basically bring the (netherhell)world of Business Process Management, right down to specific processes... right to what they so charmingly term "Information Technology Services Management".

    Try looking for information about it. Your brain will melt and seep through your tear ducts. Wikipedia, fortunately, has it written at least somewhat less confusingly.

    To make the whole damn thing even MORE blatantly neurotoxic?

    The standards, being ludicrously specific and anal (and expensive to obtain), still only claim themselves to be a "framework"... and freely acknowledging that a great deal of customisation is required to tailor it to a specific workplace.

    Meaning you're STILL screwed because you almost may as well just build your whole IT standards base on your own damn self. ... we let managers in the front door. And now they've replicated and infested. The Fifth Sherman Tank of the Apocalypse.

  55. Risk Averse by umbrellasd · · Score: 5, Insightful
    What you are describing is a Culture of Fear. Many companies and indeed our society as a whole is moving toward the fear and lack of freedom end of the social spectrum. In my last job, I saw this. It was virtually impossible to provide negative feedback directly, even if it was done in a very polite way. The mere notion that something a person did was a mistake, or even more delicately, was done in a way that could be improved upon in a future iteration, was anathema.

    What is happening here is that people are terrified of failure. Usually it comes from the top, as managers and manager's managers set the tone and culture and reinforce it by their actions. But if you work in a Culture of Fear, everything most be portrayed in a positive light or people become fearful and then they start scheming to protect themselves, which in turn causes fear in others around them and then it snowballs.

    Most people can't take the truth. Most people will not get far in life because of it. In work, in martial arts, in every aspect of life, you will see the people that are terrified of fucking up, and then you will see those that are not. And you will rarely--very rarely--see those two kinds of people together.

    Those that take mistakes in stride and realize that a mistake is a real growth opportunity and is desirable, will avoid the risk averse because the risk averse are suffocating to them. Those that are risk averse will avoid those that thrive on the learning opportunities provided by mistakes because they are terrified by anyone that makes mistakes in their vicinity and even worse will own up to it, confront it, and deal with it.

    If you work for a corporation, you have to speak their language. But you can choose which corporation you work for. Not all corporations are Cultures of Fear. If you don't want to speak that language, seek out a corporation with management and leadership that speaks your language. If you see these things now, your eyes are open to it, and when you speak with new companies you will see what you would not have seen before.

    You will recognize fear and you will recognize courage. Your choice.

    If you work in a Culture of Fear, yes you have to speak their language. Otherwise you are going to terrify them with your openness and honesty and that is going to be bad for them and for you. If you decide to stay in that environment, your best bet is to find those that are courageous and work toward bringing them into your circle of existence (there are always wonderful people at a company, even if it is not readily apparent).

    From a practical approach, if you can take it. Speak the language, get the promotion and the experience that goes with it, and then go find a great job at a company that is based on courage rather than fear.

    1. Re:Risk Averse by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 1

      This is a skit based on Donnie Darko, right?

    2. Re:Risk Averse by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 1

      Ah! Found the speech tha tmust have inspired the parent.

      Kitty Farmer: As you can see, the Life Line is divided into two polar extremes. Fear and love. Fear is in the negative energy spectrum. And love is in the positive energy spectrum.

    3. Re:Risk Averse by Wellington+Grey · · Score: 1

      It was virtually impossible to provide negative feedback directly, even if it was done in a very polite way. The mere notion that something a person did was a mistake, or even more delicately, was done in a way that could be improved upon in a future iteration, was anathema.

      You should try working in a school. It turns out that, on paper, every child is brilliant at everything they do.

      -Grey

    4. Re:Risk Averse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think corpspeak is bad, then polspeak is doubleplusungood.

      A Rosetta Stone for the uninitiated:

      "It's 9:30am in America" = The Mexican Army just sacked DC.
      "The other side of the aisle" = Those who are conspiring to steal the stolen fruits of someone else's labor.
      "Funding cut" = Any funding plan whose growth is less the 10x inflation.
      "Peace is our profession" = We fill graveyards full of peaceful people.
      "National Disaster Area" = We're sending in the carpetbaggers.
      "Social Justice" = Transfer payments for our ancestor's mistakes.
      "We're at war now" = We're looking for an excuse to kill your family.
      "We need honesty and integrity in office" = But we'll settle for raising the price of buying our influence.
      "Amnesty only rewards lawbreakers" = So did civil rights.
      "We need more efficient government" = More efficient at taking your life, liberty and happiness.
      "We're doing this to protect the children" = We're doing this because it's more pleasurable to suck the fun out of your life than to kill you outright.
      "No Child Left Behind" = No Child Gets Ahead (think about it!)
      "Preferred by Drug Dealers, Terrorists, and Child Pornographers" = it's really cool, threatens our power, and we can't co-opt it without resort to force.

  56. Action Item Man! by PoochieReds · · Score: 1
  57. The worst word is "goodness". by scumdamn · · Score: 1

    Like, "How much goodness are we going to get from that project?" There are plenty of words that we could use in its stead like "benefit", "reward", "savings", or "revenue". But since people don't know what you're aiming for, they say "goodness". I, personally, say "benefit", because it's ambiguous, but it's still a word you would use in normal circumstances. It's a REAL WORD with a real meaning. However, deliverables is a word that I do use. I also use action item. Those are things we know about and all try to avoid, right? Y'all feel me, mah homies?

    1. Re:The worst word is "goodness". by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1

      I don't like "action item" or "action plan". What's wrong with "item" or "plan"?

      My candidate for worst is "human resource". Here I'm not talking about a vague, ill-defined term, though corporate speak is used for all sorts of lying and weaseling: puff up the obvious and simple into something much more impressive sounding, conceal lack of knowledge, or disguise something embarassing and painful-- the harsh realities, lack of progress, unethical plans, heartless decisions, or ammunition for potential lawsuits. There's nothing wrong with the word "resources", but when attached to "human" it promotes thinking of people as nothing more than replaceable, disposable cogs in the machinery. And that's wrong. The term "human resource" is not vague, it is soulless and evil. Hardly better than "cannon fodder". That kind of thinking isn't even appropriate for those kinds of repetitive manual labor "you're not paid to think" jobs that could possibly be done by simple robots, and which can also be planned, scheduled, budgeted, measured, evaluated and everything else dear to the statistician. Because one never knows. Even in such a seemingly simple mindless job, a person is going learn and improve, and might come up with better ways of doing things, and possibly even a breakthrough. That's something no mindless robot can do. But to misapply that rigid thinking to a designing, engineering, or research kind of job leads to all sorts of problems. I think a lot of management knows deep down that breakthroughs can't be scheduled, but don't have any other paradigms to apply.

      --
      Intellectual Property is a monopolistic, selfish, and defective concept. It is "tyranny over the mind of man"
  58. Euphamisms and Buzzwords by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 1

    There are two main parts of management-speak.

    Euphamisms: Managers are soft, girly people who don't like to hear bad news. Instead of telling each other bad news they sugar-coat it. The business is not broke. It is in a "temporary financial situation". Bob is not retarded; he is "developmentally challenged".

    If you want a good read, get a copy of George Carlin's "When Will Jesus Pass The Pork Chops". It's not a religious book, but it takes a very intersting look at modern language, religion, and a few other things. It's a funny read, but also very serious.

    I, personally, find this kind of speak offensive. It wastes my time. You invent a whole sentence to say what one word would have communicated effectively. You do all of this because you can't handle the cold hard truth and prefer it to be light and fluffy. What do you think? That by the time you're finished telling me that "due to company reallignment, you are not temporarily employment challenged" that I will have forgotten that I'm fired?

    Buzzwords are the other type of management speak. Managers are not technical people. I do believe that in the exclusive manager club in the Bahamas there is a requirement for entry that says your technical IQ must be below 1. Managers read buzzwords in management magazines, and hear them at their exclusive manager clubs. It's usual that the buzzword is an inapt way of describing some piece of yesterday technology that some other manager is trying to sell by inventing a new name for it and convincing other managers they need it.

    Of course, managers come back from their manager club in the Bahams and they quote these new words they've learned (as if to show off how smart they are that they can learn new words... 'adapt to new paradigms'?). They usually quote them out of context and in throwaway sentences, but insist that the company start implemnting these new things that they know nothing about.

    I can think of an extreme case where I got a phone call (recently) from a colleague in another company. His manager had thrown a "technical" document for a device they were supposed to build. The document was actually 4 or 5 bullet points containing the latest marketing speak and buzzwords. In fact, one of the requirements was that the device must use "Socket something or other". Of course, something or other was the marketing name that Intel gave to one of their up-coming processor socket designs that nobody really knows about yet.

    The people in this other group were perplexed, but apparantly the manager had picked up this buzzword at some manager club and decided that it was the next best thing and they had to have it, without even knowing what it was or did!

    Anywho... my rant is over. Back to implenting a pardigm shift to better leverage the opportunity created by the incremental language enhancements promised by the senior managers.

    --
    I drink to make other people interesting!
  59. It's called by geekoid · · Score: 1

    "Somewhere there's a BBS, maybe it's called "managedot.com", and there's a bunch of managers on there bitching about how IT Speak is invading the management sphere."

    Tt's called 'The Golf Course'.

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  60. Delivery is more important than Content by Gribflex · · Score: 1

    One thing you should try to keep in mind is that, typically, the delivery of your message trumps the actual content of your message.

    As an example, take a look at stand up comediens. Often, the best comediens don't actually have great jokes -- they just have fantastic delivery. (To test this out, try retelling a joke or two from a couple of different comediens without mimicing their delivery - not that funny, eh?)

    This fact resonates through all communication forms but is especially prevelant in oral communication. If your delivery is great, even bad news can be well received. If your delivery sucks, even good news will fall flat.

    Sadly, part of the delivery factor is speaking to your audience. To deliver the most effective message, you need to use language that your audience is familiar with.

    So, in short: Yes, it is a necassary evil.

    Sorry.

  61. Necessary evil? Absolutely not! by Chuqmystr · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just yell "SPEAK THE KING'S ENGLISH! Speak the good king's English, I command thee fool!" whilst beating the perpetrator about the head, neck and chest with a rolled up TPS report.

  62. Don't like the shoe on the other foot, eh? by aiken_d · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Welcome to how corporate types have felt for years about techie jargon.

    Management-speak, like tech speak, is a specialized jargon which, when properly used, simplifies and clarifies communication between peers. However, just like geek talk, it can be abused by the pretentious and self-promoting.

    You know how you always cringe when someone in a movie talks about reversing the binary encryption bus, and everyone around you nods? Well, that's how (real) management types feel when they hear someone talking about synergistic upmarket brand dilution. There are poseurs in all fields, and fakes *love* jargon.

    Just like some geeks actually know what they're talking about and can communicate in english when needed, if you give it some time you will find that there is a place in the world for management speak.

    And, just like geek speak, don't hesitate to ask for an explanation. Just like pretentions geek wanna-be's, smarmy management wanna-be's can't explain what they just said because they're just buzzwording. And if they *can* explain, they're knowledgeable enough that you can stand to learn from 'em.

    -b

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    1. Re:Don't like the shoe on the other foot, eh? by bar-agent · · Score: 1

      Frog-jump the vent core!

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    2. Re:Don't like the shoe on the other foot, eh? by larien · · Score: 1
      Not far off the mark; in a lot of cases, it's simpler to say "we'll take this offline" rather than "I'll give you a call later to discuss this point". Once most people understand the lingo, it's not too bad, but the abuse of words like "paradigm" generally shows a level of bullshit which is beyond the pale.

      Mission statements are a prime example; after hearing ours, I felt like standing up and shouting "house" (think buzzword bingo) it was so heavily laden with management-speak and generally non-understandable...

    3. Re:Don't like the shoe on the other foot, eh? by Technically+Inept · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Thanks for this. A million mod-points to you. I'm one of Slashdot's Most Maligned: an MBA corporate manager for an offshore outsourcer. A significant proportion of technical discussions here include material that is over my head, but I have just enough residual geekiness from my high school days to enjoy visiting every day.

      Whenever people on Slashdot complain about "corporate-speak", I see ridiculous examples that have just got to be made up because they don't make any sense to me, the target audience of such language. But if you transcribed real examples of "management speak", odds are many or most would have precise meanings understood by the people to whom the communication was intended. There are plenty of examples of misuse, of course, but any competent "management type" looks down on such misuse and isn't fooled by it.

      I'm as amused as anyone by the Bullsh*t Bingo cards, but I can tell you that phrases like "Total Cost of Ownership" and "Turnkey Solution" have specific meanings that, absent those phrases, would take many more words to describe.

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    4. Re:Don't like the shoe on the other foot, eh? by aiken_d · · Score: 1

      Mission statements are a classic one. Everyone wants them to be short, but to also convey everything from marketing to technical to business to philosophical goals. That lends itself to buzzword-ization, and (worse) buzzword creation. I've seen crap like "marcommification" and "optionally recentralizable" in mission statements. Therapy has helped.

      Best mission statement ever? Reebok in the 1990's: "Beat Nike." Some would argue against mentioning a competitor, etc, but if you acknowledge that you're not the market leader, and make it your goal to become the market leader, that's all anyone needs to know.

      A proper mission statement is really simple: WTF are we all trying to do every day? If your company has an obfuscated, pretentions mission statement, consider the medium to be the message: "we're trying to impress each other and our investors." Not a great corporate goal.

      -b

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    5. Re:Don't like the shoe on the other foot, eh? by nuzak · · Score: 1

      > Welcome to how corporate types have felt for years about techie jargon.

      Name some. I can't recall the last time I've used "grep" to mean anything but string searches in files (i.e. I don't say "I'll grep my schedule"). I don't know any co-workers who do either.

      But damned if I can get through the day without hearing the phrase "low-hanging fruit".

      But I still can't complain -- middle-management corp-speak is *nothing* compared to executive-level bafflegab and bullshittery.

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  63. Motivational speaker/corporate speak similarity by wile_e_wonka · · Score: 1

    Reading the comments and examples of "corporate speak," I find it fascinatingly similar to the BS that comes out of the mouths of motivational speakers.

    No real substance to it; it's just a show.

  64. Two sides to this. by mindstrm · · Score: 1

    1) If you don't communicate well, and don't write good proposals, reports, don't communicate well what you are doing and why, then people who write well written corporate speak can stomp all over you.

    however...

    2) If you communicate clearly, especially communicate your results to people, corporate speak won't hurt you.

  65. Self-assumed intellect has impacted me too! by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm glad you pinged Slashdot about this messaging challenge so we could touch base and send a heads up. This kind of meme is gaining mind-share. The metrics are showing more than just a blip, it's a sea-change!

    Moving forward, I think it's clear that we need to leverage our wins and make them part of the overall story. I know that we can wrestle this problem to the ground and dominate several emerging ecosystems if we prioritise and deliver best-practices through the channel. Execution is key.

    I really need your front-end alignment on this! Can you get your people on board?

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    1. Re:Self-assumed intellect has impacted me too! by five18pm · · Score: 1

      Thanks! I can use this in every meeting from now on. Nobody would even remember and best of all, whatever you said can be used at any place regardless of context.

    2. Re:Self-assumed intellect has impacted me too! by l0b0 · · Score: 1
    3. Re:Self-assumed intellect has impacted me too! by 19061969 · · Score: 2, Funny

      You are SO nineties...

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    4. Re:Self-assumed intellect has impacted me too! by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      I work at a certain large software company that many here on /. loathe with every fiber of their beings, and I nearly fell off my chair from laughing while reading your post because it's only the slightest exaggeration of how some people around there talk. Nice job!

      Hey, maybe you work here too? :)

    5. Re:Self-assumed intellect has impacted me too! by ErroneousBee · · Score: 1

      While most of your comment is corporate-speak and obfusificates well, the phrase "dominate several emerging ecosystems" is actually technical language (borrowed from ecological science) and has a specific technical meaning. Also "through the channel" has a specific meaning (I.e. internal sales force, 3rd party resellers, retailers, etc).

      Thats the problem with corporate speak, its a load of wooly posturing linking together technical phrases, and you need to be able to seperate the technical parts from the fluff.

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    6. Re:Self-assumed intellect has impacted me too! by Veneratio · · Score: 1

      Ya know, i just used my Spidey Decoding Ring and i still dont know what the hell that would mean.


      Seriously tho: I think this is a key element in why the DotCom bubble burst. There are just too many people in leading positions that have no f*cking clue about what they are doing and why. In all my years in IT ive met only ONE manager who didnt use Corporate Speak. It shouldnt be a surprise to find that this was also the most competent managers i have met thus far, with a decent amount of technical expertise.

      I am sad to say that seeing as how things are going, this won't change any time soon. Its the Old Boys Network that is causing this. CEO needs Manager, CEO calls old college friend that works in , Manager gets position. Most likely, previously mentioned CEO got into HIS position in the exact same way, meaning that neither is competent in IT. As mentioned by countless other people here, they attempt to disguise their incompetence by using corporate buzzword bullshit. Its agonising to see, and even worse to work for someone who does this.

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    7. Re:Self-assumed intellect has impacted me too! by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 1

      I feel I must warn you that my managers may be grooming themselves to become YOUR managers. ;o)

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    8. Re:Self-assumed intellect has impacted me too! by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 1
      you need to be able to seperate the technical parts from the fluff


      Yes, the separate pieces of jargon have some purpose. "Front-end alignment" is also a technical term (automotive). The problem is that mixing jargon and catch-phrases from various domains is a damnably poor style of communication. I would say that anyone who mixes jargon like this has fluff for brains.

      And is probably making at least $200 K a year. {sigh}
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    9. Re:Self-assumed intellect has impacted me too! by Ritchie70 · · Score: 1

      I'll socialize it at the next team meeting. Hopefully we can achieve some good learnings.

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    10. Re:Self-assumed intellect has impacted me too! by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      "And is probably making at least $200 K a year. {sigh}"

      For 200k per year I think I could do that...

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    11. Re:Self-assumed intellect has impacted me too! by Medievalist · · Score: 1
      I really need your front-end alignment on this! Can you get your people on board?
      My people aren't getting on board until you fix that toe-in. Your suspension has a couple of fixed points in it, so castor and camber aren't unilaterally adjustable, but you should be able to work it out on the rack.
    12. Re:Self-assumed intellect has impacted me too! by BVis · · Score: 1

      "Me fail English? That's unpossible!"

      "Is our children learning?"

      Opposite ends of the social spectrum, same effect. (The "learnings" sent me in this direction.)

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    13. Re:Self-assumed intellect has impacted me too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm with you. We need to execute this elegantly. Do you have any other asks beside bringing my people along for the ride?

      Many of my team are at a strategy off-site this week, so I have to defer action on that item until next week. But I see it as a big win to do this moving forward, as it will enhance our presence in key market segments. S+ me and let's sync up on this during some face time.

    14. Re:Self-assumed intellect has impacted me too! by skintigh2 · · Score: 1

      People who talk like that need some face time with my low hanging fruit.

    15. Re:Self-assumed intellect has impacted me too! by DarkAce911 · · Score: 1

      For the love of G*D, make it stop.

  66. Not all bad... by sammy+baby · · Score: 1
    No longer is there more work to fill an already full plate, now there are 'opportunities for growth'. There are no company layoffs, there are 'realignments'. Difficult people are merely referred to as 'more challenging' than others. I dislike this non-speak as much as any person bred from a technical background. However, in order to match my new colleagues in the give and take of business life, phrases like 'functions', 'deliverables', and 'value-add' are finding their way into my vocabulary."


    I can actually defend a couple of these with a straight face. "Deliverable" is the best of the lot: it represents something that you must actually give the client, and as it refers to something that's usually specified in a contract, its usage is generally completely unambiguous. I can't think of another word that does its job so succinctly. If you need to (god help you) manage a real project for a real client, you're gonna have to just make your peace with that word.

    Value-add isn't really that bad - it's usually used to indicate what a business' role is in the equation (as in, if the business has no place to add value to something, it probably shouldn't be involved in the process). It at least isn't deliberately obfuscating.

    With all that said, cutting through the real BS corporate speak (in a polite but firm manner) is a good way to distinguish you from empty suits, and I've found it's generally respected. Even among the empty suits. As an example: my wife was doing technical training and curriculum design for corporate clients for a while. In one meeting she attended following a training class, one of the suits asked her what "opportunities" she discovered during the class. When she asked for clarification, the suit said, "You know - opportunities. Things that didn't go quite as you'd hoped."

    "Oh, you mean problems! Yes, there were a lot of problems." That was the point at which people started to take her seriously.
  67. Is IT Speak invading your Corprate Department? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Honestly, I am sure most Slashdotters want to say how evil corporate people are and how useless Corp-Speak is. But to be frank IT people are just as likely to speak IT talk to their managers. IT people do it for the same reasons Managers talk Corp-Speak, That is how they perceive information. When they ask us Why is the Email down, We go it is because the Interface controller on the Raid Array is down and is being replaced, they hear it is because the bla bla on the bla bla is down and is being replaced. Where they were expecting somethings closer to The Computer crashed and it is being fixed. We think in technical terms and the IT terminology comes out easy because we use it all the time. Now for Corp-Speak they work with the words and phrasing all the time and they are use to using it. So except for saying you can't get that because it is too expensive. They will talk about years for Return Investment and the Costs of using it vs not using it doesn't justify the expense....
    Why do they talk like that is in not really to make them selves sound smarter, it is them explaining their though processes and saying it is to expensive is grossly understating the process they did in making the decision. Just as saying the computer crashed is grossly understating what happened to the Email.
    It is part of dealing with the people just like if you changed your job from the New York to London while they speak the same language they way the speak is still different. You wont stop them from doing it, if you do try it will just make you look arrogant.

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  68. You have to enlight. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The fun thing about this whole topic isn't the fact that there's a communications divide. We all knew that, but the fact that no one wants to cross it. We even make jokes about it to sooth our unease about our lack of knowledge about the other half. The half that pays the majority of our paychecks.

  69. Been on both sides. by Leon+da+Costa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well... I guess I am in the position to comment on this one. Depending on your viewpoint, I may be a corporate sell-out, a nerd without spine or just someone who goes where the challenge is.

    I'm a CCIE, so I have at least some credibility in the tech department. I spent years working on some of the most interesting projects a CCIE could dream of - network planning, (re)design, troubleshooting, working with Cisco and other vendors to develop next generation features... Yeah, it was interesting and 98% tech-related. After a few years, though, I kind of lost interest. I found that the "next generation" complex system after BGP wasn't RPSLng but instead systems of people. Once you get the RFC, working with the system is simply a derivative. However, there's no RFC for "how companies work" - and there are so many more facets to understanding the system of how people work within a company than within even the most complex network. Maybe it's different if you program java, but for me, I found the interesting challenge elsewhere.

    Most of us wonder why the heck our stupid managers make some of the decisions they do. Yes, maybe they are plain stupid. Maybe, though, "they" understand something that we do not - and I wasn't going to let the arrogance of "knowing better because I am a geek" tell me that managers are stupid. I wanted to find out what made them tick.

    I am now enrolled in a part-time MBA program at a good institution (and recently recertified for two more years of CCIE-dom while doing it). I've had a job as a "pre-sales consultant" so I could begin to understand how this whole evil sales process actually takes place. I've always wondered why someone with money to spare would give it to someone who, to us geeks, obviously has so little brain as a sales guy.

    No, the answer is not that people with money to spare are by definition stupid. The answer is not that sales people are necessarily shallow. The answer is not that earning money is evil. The answer from the IT department should not be "I READ YOUR EMAIL! FEAR ME!", as this is probably the best excuse I can think of to recommend outsourcing to the next CIO I meet.

    I'm now at the point where I have taken up a relatively new concept within my company and can make it work partially because I understand the technological concepts underlying it AND because I can explain to companies why it is important for them to invest in my concept. This requires me to speak some of the lingo - and yes, I do talk about adding value to a company's core business processes with the use of our business solution. I talk about the benefits of RFID for supply chain management. I wear an expensive suit and describe the opportunity for growth in a certain market which can be enabled by this-or-that network solution. So, yes, the 'speak' is important if you want those who are likely to make decisions to hear you.

    However, having said that, the 'catch' is that there is a lot of BS going around in the corporate-speak-world. If you discuss a routing protocol, there can be no dispute - in the end, look up the RFC or reproduce whatever you're trying to prove. Discussing a company's marketing strategy or trying to make a business case for unified messaging is a lot more shaky. There's no undisputable book or testlab to point to and say "look, you're wrong, see - that's not how it works!". I can quote the latest book or article I read about the latest trend in strategy. I blurt out page numbers of Harvard Business Review articles. This is not proof, though. The guy to which I am talking can always blurt out some Sloan Managment Review article which declares exactly the opposite. Or worse, he will pretend to know it better - and he just might. There's no way to prove it. Professors have been wrong - unlike a routing protocol, which just "is".

    This is exactly why corporate BS'ers get away with BS'ing - and why it's so difficult for most of us with a technical background to work with a system that apparently allows tolerance for nonsense.

  70. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Corporate-speak is more about defining things in conceptual terms than specifics, this is the core difference.

  71. Let it roll off your back by smchris · · Score: 1

    "When in Rome...."

    The best way to be a team player and maximize personal empowerment is to keep your nose to the grindstone and your ducks in a row -- and learn not to snicker or roll your eyes.

  72. In an enterprise environment... by leenks · · Score: 1

    ...how else are you supposed to explain that you make use of enterprise applications to leverage collective synergy to think outside the box and formulate key objectives into a win-win game plan with a quality-driven approach that focuses on empowering key players to drive-up their core competencies and increase expectations with an all-around initiative to drive up productivity?

  73. Truth is... by Acta+non+verba · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, this does happen to be a crucial part in climbing the sometimes obsequious corporate ladder. Know that you are not alone in your situation. Many professionals, in our field and in others, have to learn to live with, and speak, this daunting corporate jargon. Particularly in my position as a business owner, having to deal with individuals in another industry or professional class altogether. I'm a web developer (among other things) who has to deal with salesmen, other business owners, security professionals, etc. And you'll find that all of them have there own special buzz words. Just remember that they went to some business school or management training program and that these are "industry terms" for them just as terms like wireframing, server side coding, or contextual selectors are to some or most of us. My advice is this: 1)when you hear a term that you're unfamiliar with, make a mental note of it and look it up on the net or in a book later. Try to understand their "business" or way of thinking just like we as IT professionals wish they understood our "business" or way of thinking. These may be the same people that a web site can be built by inserting autoshapes and text into a Word document and that it can be done in six to eight hours. And along those lines....2)Find someone in your company who works in the corporate/business/sales arena that is also interested in what it is that you do exactly. Teach them your processes or how things work, and ask them to do the same. This mutual mentoring will do wonders. A wise man once said "Never dress for the position that you have, dress for the position that you want." The same goes for speech and mannerisms. You've somehow moved up the corporate ladder.....keep climbing.

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  74. It get's done what would otherwise be immpossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For example, if you really need some special hardware in the back room, and boss can't see why, you either get technical, or make a bloated speech.

    If you get technical, your boss might gain more respect for your knowledge, but you are unlikely to get the hardware.

    Corporate-speak has a much better overall probability of acheiving your common goals to improve teamwork and general department productivity on the grand scale.

  75. Just remember... by drgroove · · Score: 1

    While you're planning to recontextualize holistic web services, be sure to whiteboard interactive infomediaries, otherwise you'll fail to embrace one-to-one models.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is, make heavy use of the bullshit generator, and you'll be just fine.

  76. Yep, sure it necessary by TheSpatulaOfLove · · Score: 1

    I found a long time ago that it was necessary. I often tell a story of when my company would do product training, they would lump it all together in one week. Half the week were the technical people, the other half was the corporate and sales people. While the materials, venue and presentation were essentially the same, the events were worlds apart. The technical folks were fed cold-cuts, mediocre buffets and domestic beer/well drinks for the events. The sales people were fed hot lunches, filet mignon and top shelf liquor at the events. Seeing this, I was appalled that technical people weren't considered worthy of the same thing as the not-so-bright sales people. After seeing this, I said to myself: "Self, you need some filet mignon and top shelf liquor!" So, I fired up my Jargonator and interviewed for the job. Since then, it's been a rockstar life. The real trick now is to be able to mesh the acronyms with the corporate lingo - Those management types eat that shit up!

  77. Thank god I work for a non-profit. by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    The only time you here the buzzwords is when talking about things from our clients' perspective -- and when they're written on powerpoint slides, it's always in "quotes".

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  78. Are you guys being purposefully obtuse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You can use the leviathan forces of attention and enthusiasm that are swirling around Web 2.0 these days as a powerful enabler to make something important and exciting happen in your organization." ...was changed to...

    "You can use new technology as an opportunity to improve the operation of your business." ...was changed to...

    "You can use new technology to improve the operation of your business."

    Which has destroyed the original *business* meaning of the sentence. The sentence has nothing to do with the usefulness of a new technology.

    The problem I have with these transformations (and the entire thrust of the thread in some sense) is that they destroy the nuances of the jargon in a field that is all about "interpersonal politics" (getting people to do things that benefit someone and potentially hurt others) and hence *social nuance*.

    Lots of the words bizfolk use are used simply because they won't cause direct offense where the underlying concepts imply damage to the interests of some parties. If the damage were explicit it would require bargaining while if the damage is ignored no recompense is obviously required... except in more subtle ways that hurt the orgnization in general rather than the specific parties.

    For example, if someone is given firing authority with a bonus based on how they change a short term profit margin and they announce "In order to personally make an extra $20,000 I'm firing Alice, Bob, and Carol because their customer opinion surveys don't immeadiately and directly helps the bottom line. Our company's reputation will be damaged in the long run, but my dumb boss didn't make that part of my incentive package. Tough luck for all you guys but vacation in the Bahamas for me!" they're going to incur lots of direct bad will. If they appear clueless as to the long term consequences, obscure the direct benefits to themselves, give credit to their boss for "having vision", and express sympathy to A, B, and C then they just make people grumble about "management in general". Their calculation would go: "Would I rather insult my boss, and have A, B, and C's friends hate me or just nebulously damage company morale a bit more and work in the worsened company?"

    It probably isn't even explicitly conscious. The camoflauge gets even better if they *simply don't think about it*. Then they're *actually* clueless and being nice to people to boot. Their beleif in their own mistruths about "the need for reorganization and repurposing our team to accomplish our mission better" will add to the impression that getting revenge isn't likely to be productive.

    Based on this kind of reasoning my pragmatic transformation of the initial sentence would be something like:

    "Other people are *spending effort* giving the term 'Web 2.0' high 'term recognition' and positive emotional connotations among other business people which means you can use it to rally people who manage or fund 'Internet stuff' (it goes without saying that it shouldn't be used too much with techs who hate bizspeak and will thus be demoralized rather then enthused so don't encourage them to do things like read the prospectus, the business plan, or the company website)."

    On the other hand a *better* bizspeak version of the above would be:

    "The enthusiastic buzz swirling around Web 2.0 can be leveraged to raise your company's profile and add value to your product."

    This is short, hides the effort theft, and ignores the fact that people given instructions like this will have to fill in more blanks than usual because "Web 2.0" is such a nebulous term. Basically, it's useful language for making money by getting people to do stuff.

  79. Words to Learn by clockwise_music · · Score: 1
    Unfortunately buzzwords are a way of life in larger companies. Welcome to the real world. My advice is to play buzzword bingo. Here's some phrases you must learn:

    • Disconnect
    • Synergy
    • Strategic fit
    • Gap Analysis
    • Quick wins
    • (re)alignment / aligned
    • Cross pollenate
    • Value Chain
    • Leverage
    • Going (or moving) forward
    • On the same page

    uurhgh. I feel so dirty.

    We keep a wiki with the most up to date phrases in a grid. Just hang around a few high level managers every now and then (my suggestion is about once per month) and you'll hear the new ones. CEO's are also very good for this material.
    1. Re:Words to Learn by caffeination · · Score: 1

      Where is this wiki? Is it available from the internet? Maybe if you can't answer for some job-related reason, some other helpful AC can come along with a link to anything similar they may know of...

  80. Resistance isn't futile by MrClever · · Score: 1

    I'm a regional IT manager for a US-based multi-national. I'm a techie, not a mangler despite my job role. I've resisted the pressure to resort to corporatesque and made sure my guys dont indulge in this verbal wank-fest too. We simply tell it how it is. Over the 6 years I've been with this company, our reputation has been made: if you want a straight answer when the excrement hits the rotating blades, you come see either myself or one of my team.

    Sure, it's not "pretty" when some sales/marketing droid is going through the motions of why their latest big idea "leverages core <something> to facilitate <something-else> and yield a high VAR..." and one of my guys simply says "Ok - you've got no idea how you're gonna do this - right we get it. Move on to the next slide please". Still, the C-team (CEO/CFO/CTO/etc) appreciate my team's frankness and they pay our salaries.

  81. Job Title by Jerim · · Score: 1

    Business speak has appearantly invaded your job title as well. What exactly does a "Systems Administrator" do anyway?

    It is just an business term that stands for "the person who does whatever we need with comptuers." The same as "IT administrator", "IT Director", "Technology Administrator", "Computer Specialist" or whatever term some suit decided to give it today.

    They used to be called Programmers or Computer Scientists.

  82. Corporate Speak at the LinuxWorld Expo by lightyear4 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Corporate speak is basically the same type of "Rah-Rah" speech you here at Amway/Mary Kay/etc conventions.

    That's for damned sure! I attended the LinuxWorld Expo in Boston last week and - unlike previous years - it was actually quite a challenge to find anyone willing (or able) to speak in any real detail. Indeed, the reason for such a phenomenon was quite clear: the exposition floor was crawling with company representatives from PR and Marketing, and knowledgeble technicians were, on the whole, those attendees asking the questions. The technical aspect (i.e. the real, worthwhile content) of the exposition has been contaminated with nothing but "corporate speak." **

    Technical information and performance can be distilled through a proper treatment of words to be well understood by those unacquainted with the details. However, language becomes a barrier for efficient communication when forced into a mode of artificial superficiality and generalization.

    This is a message to the business world: Do away with the idiocies of corporate marketing dialogue and provide the information required by interested parties, and you will win more customers than otherwise. Please.

    - - - - - -

    **An example: Early tuesday, just after Intel had finished getting situated, a friend and I sat down for what must have been one of their first presentations. The speaker was clearly an articulate man with many years in one of Intel's engineering divisions -- who had, of course, been elevated to management or marketing. However, while you might think that such experience would be invaluable to present a product, the result was anything but a lucid presentation of Intel's latest and greatest. Visibly uncomfortable, the rep rambled along, spouting an alphabet soup of acronyms intended to convey the latest Intel strategy to provide integrated products in all business areas, from storage and servers to office equipment and web presence. Fifteeen minutes later when the presentation concluded, I still didn't know what the hell he was trying to say other than 'we are planning to make things easier for businesses by making everything work smoothly together.'

  83. Couple of references by gregarican · · Score: 1

    Here's a couple of websites that could help you out in the pursuit of managementspeak --> http://members.aol.com/matt999h/bullshit.htm and http://www.ebaumsworld.com/officespace.html. I don't mind folks using terminology for more efficient communication between true peers. But the clueless PHB's that employ the art of B.S. to mask their own incompetence is sadly typical and far too common.

  84. Aversion therapy... by ktakki · · Score: 1

    My employer is fond of the phrase "...on a going-forward basis", as in "On a going-forward basis, I think we should use DHL for RMA returns".

    I happen to loathe the phrase "...on a going-forward basis". It's an empty phrase, the semantic equivalent of styrofoam packing peanuts.

    So, during a slow month at the office, when my employer delved into the most minute details of the business, issuing many "going-forward" proclamations (none of which made much sense or saved more than $20 annually), I devised a plan to wean him from this odious phrase.

    First, I'd rephrase his suggestions: "So, from now until the heat death of the universe, we're using DHL for RMAs, right?". Then, I started using the phrase in inappropriate situations: "I think, on a going-forward basis, I'm going to grab some lunch.". Finally, I began responding like the Pharoah's scribe from the old Charlton Heston/Yul Brynner movie The Ten Commandments: "SO IT IS WRITTEN...SO IT SHALL BE DONE!". I would then write the pronouncement on one of the office whiteboards like so: "III - THOU SHALT USE DHL ABOVE ALL OTHER OVERNIGHT SHIPPERS".

    Usage of "...on a going forward basis" tapered off from thrice daily to about once or twice a month, a tolerable level for me. Yeah, I could have just asked my boss not to say "...on a going-forward basis", but where's the fun in that? If I wasn't a manipulative bastard I wouldn't be VP Operations right now.

    k.

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  85. BullFighter removes the Corp Speak for you by HoneyBeeSpace · · Score: 1

    A website and plug-in for Word and PowerPoint that measures the overall readability of your documents. It highlights overused consulting jargon, offering witty comments along the way.

    http://www.fightthebull.com/bullfighter.asp

    From the page: "Bullfighter is the epoch-defining software that works with Microsoft Word and PowerPoint to help you find and eliminate jargon in your documents. It may look like a little toolbar with three buttons, but it's actually much more. Bullfighter includes a jargon database and an exclusive Bull Composite Index calculator that will allow you to see -- in an actual window, on your PC display, live -- just how bad a document can be."

  86. you know you've lost it... by bobalu · · Score: 1

    ...when you're talking to a 22 yr old 6' party girl about her DUI and refer to it as "actually having some value in her life".

    That's what when I knew I had jumped the shark. I'm much better now.

    Pass the bong.

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  87. Vocabulary to Suit the Domain by LotTS · · Score: 1
    Pardon the "suit" pun in the subject, but I agree with some of the posts saying corporate speak is simply vocabulary that is suitable for the corporate domain. When discussing about software, one has to be very specific and technical due to the nature of writing codes. However, if you're talking about business functions, you're really talking about people and not lines of code.

    Especially for us "geeks," we tend to forget that although people can be analytical, everyone has emotions and emotion is what ultimately drives us to action. That's why there are vacuous terms like "mission-critical" and "value-added," because before they were overused, they actually evoked strong emotions.

  88. Mission critical... by ktakki · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I lament the dilution of the phrase "mission critical".

    Once it was used to describe systems that were mission critical, where failure could lead to significant financial losses, property damage, injuries, or loss of life. Remember the part of the MS Windows EULA about Java?

    JAVA TECHNOLOGY IS NOT FAULT TOLERANT AND IS NOT DESIGNED, MANUFACTURED, OR INTENDED FOR USE OR RESALE AS ON-LINE CONTROL EQUIPMENT IN HAZARDOUS ENVIRONMENTS REQUIRING FAIL-SAFE PERFORMANCE, SUCH AS IN THE OPERATION OF NUCLEAR FACILITIES, AIRCRAFT NAVIGATION OR COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS, AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL, DIRECT LIFE SUPPORT MACHINES, OR WEAPONS SYSTEMS, IN WHICH THE FAILURE OF JAVA TECHNOLOGY COULD LEAD DIRECTLY TO DEATH, PERSONAL INJURY, OR SEVERE PHYSICAL OR ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE.


    That's what I call mission critical. Also, that's some world-class snark on Microsoft's part. Java-based weapons systems? Sounds reasonable to me.

    But instead of being restricted to, say, the oxygen tanks on Apollo 13 or the software that controlled the Therac-25 radiation therapy machine, the definition of mission critical has been extended to corporate networks. True, there can be financial losses if a corporate network is down or its security is compromised, but significant financial losses?

    No, what really happens when the network's down is this: the salesdroids have to work the phones instead of having their noses in Outlook all day (or Solitaire), the CEO is pissed because his niece can't e-mail him pictures of her new kitten, and everyone else is thrown off their routine of chatting on AIM or playing stupid Yahoo! games all day.

    Okay, maybe a system whose failure ends up with the whole company massing with torches and pitchforks outside the door to the IT department counts as "mission critical". But I still lament the devaluing of these words.

    k.
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    1. Re:Mission critical... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      But instead of being restricted to, say, the oxygen tanks on Apollo 13 or the software that controlled the Therac-25 radiation therapy machine, the definition of mission critical has been extended to corporate networks. True, there can be financial losses if a corporate network is down or its security is compromised, but significant financial losses?

      Yes, financial losses. Where I work, Tier 1 is the equivalent of mission critical. If a Tier 1 service goes away or fails messily, orders stop and we lose money. If we piss enough people off (Tier 1 again), they go somewhere else and we lose money. Nobody dies, but that's not the only kind of mission critical.

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    2. Re:Mission critical... by Cederic · · Score: 1


      At my current employer, a certain system loses the company approximately $16m an hour when it goes down.

      If that system is down for two weeks in January (our peak trading) then the company would be heavily at risk - not bankrupt, but our parent organisation (the world leader in the industry) would be damaged to the point where it loses the ability to raise finance, suffers heavy redundancies, and becomes a prime candidate for takeover.

      That's mission critical. No lives are at stake, the world wont end, but the company frankly can't tolerate the losses.

      Oddly enough we put a lot of effort into managing the risks around that system, and a lot of expense into redundancy and failover...

    3. Re:Mission critical... by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      What is mission-critical obviously depends on your mission.

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    4. Re:Mission critical... by GrandWaz00 · · Score: 1
      Also, that's some world-class snark on Microsoft's part.

      All the EULAs I found contain one additional sentence at the end of that paragraph (see, for example, here): Sun Microsystems, Inc. has contractually obligated Microsoft to make this disclaimer.

      So maybe MS wasn't being snarky... this time.

    5. Re:Mission critical... by Twylite · · Score: 1

      Since you clearly don't understand the business concept of a mission, you can't understand how certain resources (like IT infrastructure) can be mission critical.

      The Therac-25 controller was not mission critical. It was safety critical. The nature of the risk is completely different.

      In a typical modern organisation, suffering a full days' downtime of business systems translates into a loss of about 0.3% of annual turnover, unless your company is not operating at capacity. For a company that has a net profit on turnover of 10% (which is pretty decent), that translates to a 3% reduction in net profit. Draw your own conclusions.

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    6. Re:Mission critical... by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1
      True, there can be financial losses if a corporate network is down or its security is compromised, but significant financial losses?
      Yes, significant financial losses.

      What happens if the corporate network where I work goes down?

      1. The warehouse cannot fulfill orders
      2. Our retailers cannot place orders
      3. Sales reps cannot service their accounts
      4. Customer service cannot assist customers
      5. Consumer customer service cannot assist consumers
      6. We cannot transact with our factories in China
  89. Not worth fighting it by serutan · · Score: 1

    Business buzzwards are like any other kind of slang. People use it to feel cool. Your peers probably won't notice if you don't use it yourself, but if you try to crusade against it you'll just sound like the person who insists on correcting everybody's grammar. Focus on the substance of what's being said rather than how it's said. One geekly satisfying way that I amuse myself and resist the temptation to mock people for using stupid buzzwords is to think of them as sort of geeky aliens who don't quite know the language.

  90. Jargon != communication by (Score.5,+Interestin · · Score: 1

    Exactly, I think this frasmotic misuse of anispeptic jargon should boil the diff gain into the clippers of anyone caught in its compunctuous pericombobulations.

  91. www.weaselwords.com.au by asternick · · Score: 0

    This site is all about those weaselwords. That feeling you have that there is something wrong with this kind of language - go with it.

  92. How do you say this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So how do i tell my boss that im gonna take my sweet ass time on this project when he asks me when it's gonna be done?

  93. corporate psychobabble by ReagansUndeadBrain · · Score: 1

    I used to get upset about corporate psycho-babble, but it doesn't bother me so much anymore. Over the years, I've seen so many "paradigm shifters", "enterprise enablers", etc. crash in such spectacular ways that when I'm confronted when a particularly slick-tongued buzzword generator, I just smile and get on with it because I know that unless they have substance to back up their style they are just going to end up being someone's lunch.

    Eventually the rubber hits the road and woe unto the clueless who end up with treadmarks on their heads.

    I use corporate psycho-babble when necessary, but always back up these utterances with hard data. It's useful knowing the language of the enemy.

  94. yes by debozero · · Score: 1

    I on a bet with a friend learned corporate speak and them translated his ideas to corporate speak after he was shot down. He was suprised how many of his ideas got signed off on when I pitched them.

  95. Invaded? My friends, the invasion is over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and we were conquered long ago.

    I work for, wait, lets just say its a BIG financial institution that starts with "Bank". Yep. That one.

    IT management here was long ago conquered and crushed by entire legions of suits who speak "corp speak". Like death and taxes it is simply inevitable. Get over it or not.

    I am starting to think I prefer not. After years of dealing with dolts who use their incredible mastery of this arcane tongue to hide the fact that they ARE dolts I think I have had enough. I can't fight it anymore.

    Maybe I will quit to form my own company. I don't know. But if I do I swear to heaven if I EVER hear one of my employees utter words such as: "synergies", "big rocks", or "levelset" I will personally beat them with a garden hose. OK, that would be a bit harsh but you get the idea.

  96. It's what you say, but it's also how you say it. by leereyno · · Score: 1

    Let me ask you this, is bathing necessary? Oral hygiene? How about washing your clothes? How about not looking and/or dressing like a homeless person when you go to work?

    Presentation is VERY important, so important in fact that I'm shocked you'd even have to ask. If you can't present your ideas in a clear and concise way, then you're going to be overrun by others who can. As for the buzzwords, give me a break. A buzzword is a cliche waiting to happen. If your superiors are really swayed by buzzwords then they're either stupendously stupid, or you're just not getting through to them. If its the former, find a new job since you're on a sinking ship. If its the latter then work to improve your communications skills.

    Lee

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  97. Manage laterally by Infonaut · · Score: 1

    Any time you deal with a hierarchy, this situation manifests itself. As people move up the management chain, they become managers of people. No matter whether you're running a nuclear submarine, an IT department, or a high school, you are not managing the actual work. You are managing the people who do the work. By definition, you are becoming more removed from the work itself.

    So unless you want to wind up doing all the work yourself, you have to develop methods of getting the people who work below you on the hierarchy to do that work. This is the part that a many, many people in business don't understand, whether they are managers, geeks, or some other breed of corporate denizen. Management is a discipline. I'll say it in a different way, just to be emphatic about it: Just as programmers have to learn how to program, managers have to learn how to manage.

    Unfortunately, most people who are put in management positions have little or no training in how to lead people. Imagine if you were thrown into a big development project, and knowing only FORTRAN, you were expected to learn Java on the fly. You might be able to it, if you're sharp and committed, but it would be an extremely painful process. That's the situation most managers in American organizations wind up in. They're busy learning how to manage, and on top of it they're supposed to have some sort of knowledge about the tasks their subordinates perform.

    If you look at how much training leaders in the US military receive in leadership skills alone, and compare that to the training corporate leaders receive, the comparison is ludicrous. I'm not suggesting that the sometimes life-and-death conditions of military life are directly analogous to corporate life, but there's a reason officers are heavily recruited when they leave the military. They have not only been trained in how to actually lead people and manage teams; they have also had to learn to do what their subordinates do.

    Here's an example: Imagine if the VP of Technology Initiatives at your company actually had to learn how to program in the language you use, then had to spend time programming in that language with the software tools the company programmers use. During that time he would be evaluated by veteran programmers. If he didn't pass their examinations, he would not become the VP of Technology Initiatives. That's how it works with junior officers in the military. An Infantry officer is trained in how to be a grenadier, a light machinegunner, a heavy machinegunner, a vehicle driver, a rifleman, and so on. He gets bossed around by soldiers who have been in for years. He digs a lot of foxholes, gets pushed hard by the veteran NCOs, and in the end, if he fucks up, he doesn't get to lead a platoon.

    I'm not suggesting that the business world should spend the time and money that the military does on training, because in most cases it would probably be cost-prohibitive. Plus, why would you train someone with that amount of rigor if you knew they'd leave the company at the first opportunity? The military has the advantage of being able to tie the training to tours of duty for specific lengths.

    So we're still left with the original problem. There is a way to create better leaders in a hierarchy, but in many ways it is simply not cost-effective for companies to invest in leadership training. This leaves people who are placed in management positions because of their valuable technical skills in an odd position. They are not, in the main, being trained in management skills, so they have to pick those skills up on the fly. Their colleagues in management don't have the appropriate technical skills. Somehow everyone in the management organization still needs to communicate and try to get things done. The end result is a whole lot of fudging. It's not that people don't want to do things better, but everyone has been thrown into the water without much of a life jacket. It's actually amazing that any company ever busts out of this cycle and develops truly capable manageme

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  98. Um, "value-added" is not an "emotional" term by Estanislao+Mart�nez · · Score: 1
    Adding value is what businesses do.

    Suppose Acme Inc. buys widgets and gadgets, and assembles them together into fudgets. Then it offers the fudgets for sale at more than the price of the widgets and gadgets that go into the fudgets. Why should I buy Acme's fudgets, instead of buying widgets and gadgets and making the fudgets myself? Whatever reason there is (if there is one, that is) is the value that Acme has added.

    They may know more about fudgets than I do, and thus make a better fudget than I could; they may make a lot more fudgets than I need, and can achieve economies of scale; they may be able to offer me better advice on how to actually use the fudgets; they may absorb some of the risk of defective fudgets through a guarantee or service plans; etc.

    A simpler example is compensated middlemen in transactions. Suppose I have a good to sell. How do I find the bidders that offer the best price? I can interrupt all of my other work to go and try to round up potential buyers, but this can be a forbidding task. Or I can go to a person who makes their living from matching sellers with the best bidders for the good in question. The buyer pays more money for the good than what I get, and the middleman pockets the difference; this amount is often called the spread. For this arrangement to work, the amount of the sale price that the middleman takes must be less than what it would have cost me to find the best bidder on my own. Or, in other words, the middleman's spread can only be rationally justified if he actually adds value to the transaction.

    1. Re:Um, "value-added" is not an "emotional" term by LotTS · · Score: 1
      Um, I think your post is not "value-added."

      Yes, "adding value" is what businesses do. They also help other business with "mission-critical" projects. You start to head down a slippery slope when you try to describe a business - a lot of common jargons get recycled, and whether they're overused or not depends on how many sales pitches you hear.

  99. eduspeak is the same way by chocolatetrumpet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have worked as a professional educator and "eduspeak" is exactly like "corporate speak."

    "Risk averse" seems to explain it quite well - it's basically a way of being really, really nice when speaking about students who may occassionally encounter cognitive challenges when attempting to complete their coursework.

    I don't think eduspeak is *all* bad; it's basically an expression of the belief that all students are worthwhile human beings, and that all people need each other.

    The problem comes when you build up a child's self esteem too much. I worked in a school where 100 was good, 99 was ok, and 98 was perceived as "failure" to many students. My fear is that when they finally do ever encounter a genuine difficulty in life, they are going to fall apart. :-\

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    1. Re:eduspeak is the same way by saihung · · Score: 1

      I used to teach high school students. Every child was an honor student, every child was well-behaved, etc. After I gave notice, it was so liberating to call a parent to say, "Your son is obnoxious and is disrupting my class. Tell him to be nice or I'll send him home." When so much bullshit is flying, telling the truth can get people to finally STFU. Or, as my friend says, "In a land of amputees, the man with legs is king."

  100. I must not fear. by painQuin · · Score: 1

    Fear is the mind killer.

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  101. Unfortunately you have to "package" it. by gone.fishing · · Score: 2, Informative

    I guess the short answer is: Yes, corporate speak is necessary. My former boss compared a pitch to proposing to your girlfriend. Would you wrap an engagment ring in an old newspaper and just leave it out for her to find? Would you ask her for her hand in marriage while wearing your sweats?

    No, that would not be very romantic. You want to take her out to a nice place to eat dressed up, present the ring while on a knee and have it in a nice box, maybe even wrapped in a nice ribbon.

    Presenting any proposal to a group of your superiors is a bit like that. Not only do you want to have a good idea but you want to be able to sell it. The right words, the right time, and the right appearance will all help you to sell your idea.

    I have a strong dislike for terms like "Best Practices" and "synergy" but I manage to keep from gagging when I use 'em (and I do, but as little as possible). My current bosses like what they call "solid numbers" which are really hard to come by when you are trying to convince them that they need to spend money on something like spyware detection. How can I give them hard numbers on the money we can save if we prevent a theft of information that leads to a loss? How many millions could we lose if spyware captured information that could lead to their accessing one of our bank accounts (say the one that is used for payroll for thousands of people)? The obvious answer is millions but the hard numbers answer is impossible to come by.

    It all leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. It is a game that must be played by "their" rules even when you don't agree with them or know all of them. As an IT person, you are occasionally a salesperson for your team. When that role falls on your shoulders, you have to take the good with the bad and just do your best.

    There are some words that are important to use very infrequently - they have so much power that they are like pulling out a handgun. Use them very infrequently and only when all other words have been used and found to be too weak. Those words are "Ethically" "Morally" and most importantly "Fiduciary Responsibility." They are words that reach down into the core of the manager's and director's souls (VP's don't have souls).

    1. Re:Unfortunately you have to "package" it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but somehow someone using buzzwords to "pitch" gives me more of an impression of some sleazy character trying to chat up someone...

    2. Re:Unfortunately you have to "package" it. by gone.fishing · · Score: 1

      I understand and agree - but this is why it is always important to "know your audience." It really helps to believe in what you are saying and to have your guns fully loaded and have a lot of ammunition that supports your position before going into a meeting. Sometimes the buzzwords help to cut through to the meat of the matter, it is kind of like shorthand to the bosses. You have to come across as knowlegable and convinced that your position is the right one.

      Sometimes a word like "synergy" cuts right to the point yet I see it as a buzz word - in the case where it fits like a glove, I'll use it. Your presentation only lasts a few minutes and you have to find a fast way of telling these folks what may have taken you weeks or even months to learn. The more you can give them in the presentation, the fewer questions they will have when they get the chance to grill you.

      Some of the recommendations that I have made cost significant money and you have to fight when you are asking someone to spend a couple of million dollars. If I were in their position, I myself would be extremly reluctant to spend that kind of money based on the recommendation of someone that I did not sense was confident in what they were selling.

      Don't come across like a used car salesman but on the other end of the spectrum, you can't sound like you are using bid words to sound superior. Don't talk to them like they are idiots. A presentation is a sort of special form of public speaking, on one hand it gives you an opportunity to tailor your words to a small group you know well but on the other hand, they aren't exactly your friends (so don't treat them that way either). I prepare for it almost as if I am going to teach a class. I am actually there to teach them what I know and I want to share that information with them!

  102. "Deliverable" by ktappe · · Score: 1
    And for anyone who doubts that "deliverable" is a useful term
    I will continue to maintain that it is not a useful word, as there is no real reason not to use "product" in its place so that most people will know what the heck you are saying.

    The same goes for "leverage"; just say "use" instead. Please?

    -Kurt

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    1. Re:"Deliverable" by jamesh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Deliverable would mean (roughly) a unit of work in a project which, when completed, can be delivered to the customer and be useful to them. Product in no way means the same thing. It is also a word whose meaning could be pretty quickly derived even if you hadn't heard it used in that context before.

      It is the only word I picked up on in the article summary that wasn't just a longer word that 'laypersons' wouldn't understand used in place of a shorter word that everyone understands, which is what corporate speak is all about.

    2. Re:"Deliverable" by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
      Deliverable would mean (roughly) a unit of work in a project which, when completed, can be delivered to the customer and be useful to them.

      That latter part is debatable... and one of the reasons for the (not so) recent fad of lightweight methodologies.

      Sadly, deliverables are often just workunits (documents, diagrams, schematics, forms, ...) which must be delivered at the end of a given development phase, whether they are actually useful or not...

      N.B. I'm not arguing against documentation in general, just against those bone-headed heavyweight methodologies that ask for the same type of document in all projects, no matter whether such documents are relevant and useful or not.

    3. Re:"Deliverable" by aborchers · · Score: 1

      "The same goes for "leverage"; just say "use" instead. Please?"

      I have to disagree with you there. "Leverage" (as a verb) does have a precise meaning that "use" does not, and it is sometimes appropriate. Not always, but sometimes.

      On the other hand, the one that kills me is "utilize" instead of "use". Utilize also has a precise shade of meaning distinct from use, but most people using utilize instead of use aren't using it.

      For example, that last sentence would read:

      Utilize also has a precise shade of meaning distinct from use, but most people utilizing utilize instead of use aren't utilizing it.

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    4. Re:"Deliverable" by pentalive · · Score: 1

      Places I have worked used "Deliverable" to mean "That which i promised to do" as in
      Boss: Jim What are your deliverables out of this meeting?

      Jim: Well I need to get Joe a listing of the entrypoints he needs, and Mary nees a finished and tested module"

  103. I'm a management type moving into IT by under_score · · Score: 1

    I hear lots of funny words and abbreviations and it sometimes seems like people are just throwing them around to sound impressive. Do I really have to learn all this funny language? Is this just something that I should expect as I become more technical?

    Someone recently said to me:

    My command of TLAs is growing exponentially, but my wetware doesn't have quite the SLA that my RAID NAS does. I'm hopeful that adding an MVC front-end to my recently deployed web-services layer (built to accomodate our LAMP, .NET and J2EE systems as well as our old green-screens) will allow me to do async updates to the distributed repository. I haven't yet figured out our HA failover system, but I'm thinking of an MQ sending stuff to a remote service provider.

    Do I really have to learn all those terms?

  104. How to win at CorporateSpeak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Two applicable rules from the 48 Laws of Power:

    Law 4
    Always Say Less than Necessary

    Law 9
    Win through your Actions, Never through Argument

    More laws and their details can be found here and here. .

  105. Case in point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An average executive could go on and on about their qualifications, but nothing they succeed at is actually hard and most of what they fail at is actually easy.

    If anyone has any doubt, watch The Apprentice. It's as much an exposé of some of the most egotistical and juvenile nincompoops that clutter management at virtually every level in RL that your likely to find on television.

    ALL of those people sound impressive on paper. In person they are 12 year-olds in expensive suits.

    Sure, an effective and savvy person usually stands out by the end of the season, and one certainly can't argue that Donald Trump and his associates don't have a clue, but IMHO the average "contestant" is a total waste.

    ....the show is good for laughs though. Funnier than the American version of "The Office".

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  106. Glib speech is just as bad... by cyberentomologist · · Score: 1
    Kathy Sierra at Creating Passionate Users has an interesting comment about glib speech.
    In way too many meetings, the fastest talkers win. And by "fastest talkers", I mean those who are the first to articulate an idea, challenge, issue, whatever. Too many of us assume that if it sounds smart, it probably is, especially when we aren't given the chance to think about it.
  107. fortunately by f1055man · · Score: 1

    I work for a small nonprofit. Our corporate speak consists of obscenities. The farther up the heirarchy the more you hear.

  108. Corporate Speak? by wedontneednobadges · · Score: 1

    I find "Corporate Speak" is most often used by people with nothing useful to say. The same folks usually spend hours on power point presentations when a simple email would do.

    My advise is if your boss values such useless wastes of time find a new boss. If you are the boss tell them: Could you repeat that but use english this time.

  109. Re:When they don't know or care they talk nonsense by dnoyeb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Corporate speak" in technical companies is often due to the speaker not having much understanding of the technology, and not wanting to learn.

    Corp speak is also used when the person being addressed does not have much understanding of the technology, and does not want to learn.

    The problem starts with nepotism and cronyism.

  110. "technical background" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I dislike this non-speak as much as any person bred from a technical background.

    Try designing PCBs, silicon layouts, microprocessor architecture, and writing drivers/OS code. That's a technical background, not figuring out the best way to distribute the latest Ubuntu patches to the 40 workstations you admin.

  111. Don't forget *ROOT CAUSE*... by PCMeister · · Score: 1

    Most of you by now have heard one of management's favorite phrases: "root cause"

    For those fortunate enough not to have heard it a billion times, here is a wiki page to fill you in.

    Lucky for me, I've only had to hear this during some conference calls or when the shit hits the fan on a production system, which forces management to go into damage control mode until the smoke clears (ie. We are doing our best to determine the root cause of why the server spontaneously combusted. LMAO!!)

    How many poor /.'er souls out there hear this phrase being used for than a few times a week!?

    May you one day have the power to Jedi Mind Trick(tm) these morons into being upfront with their employees!! muhahahaha!

    Operators are standing by for your Death Star Powered(tm) replies...

  112. Words do have value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >These are actually pretty powerful terms, and it's important to have a common vocabulary that can be used >when bringing together managers from varying fields like sales, IT, operations, finance, etc.

    As long as you are using terms which mean something, sure. However, when using terms simply to sound "good" bothers me. Sadly, the use of terms like this is rampant. The thing that bothers me the most is when it actually takes AWAY from the point.

    As an example of lingo diminishing the quality of communication, I overheard someone (same management level I am, though much cozier with the CFO-level folks than I am since he speaks the lingo) talking to someone on the phone about our company. We, as part of our articulated (and actually lived) corporate culture, like to think we are, to some extent, helping make the world a better place while being a viable commercial entity. This person, however, referred to our company as a "play" between industry X and industry Y. Sure, we intersect multiple industries. Sure, we are a for-profit company. However, we are not a "play." What this person did was miscommunicate what our company was all about because it was more convenient to use lingo. Assuming that part of his goal in having the conversation he was having was for the other person to understand what we do, he failed.

  113. I'll explain it to you by illuminatedwax · · Score: 1

    Buzzwords become invented whenever someone is so proud of their idea that it requires an ineloquent term to sumamrize it, tone it down, or otherwise disguise and dull the idea. Never mind that this idea is obvious to anyone who knows what they are talking about.

    Examples:
    Deliverables - this is used to emphasize that results are desired, not partial completion. People used to call this "results." You know, like "I want RESULTS, Steve!" Now it's replaced with a smug manager talking about "deliverables."

    Solutions - this used to be called "services" or whichever verb described what you were actually doing. This is great because it reminds me of a swear word - you can just use it as a crutch instead of figuring out what you really want to say.

    Mission Critical - this used to be "critical" or just "really important." Now the manager gets to pretend he's on the Apollo 13 Mission Control team rallying to get the boys home. If someone says this, they are most likely contemplating saying "Failure is not an option" next.

    Buzzwords make us puke because they are disguising, globbing, dressing up, or otherwise obscuring perfectly good, straightforward language. Sometimes it's to make things happy-feely ('fired' -> 'terminated' -> 'let go', 'laid off' -> 'downsized' -> 'restructured', 'crippled' -> 'disabled' -> 'physically challenged'), sometimes it's done to escape connotations of the normal word ('results' vs 'deliverables'), but we abhor these kinds of things because they are not rigorous. Legalese is related, but legalese is far too rigorous. (Although a lawyer would love to confuse people like c-speak has.)

    Jargon is a different beast - it introduces words where there was truly no word to represent the concept, or it introduces words that add a connotation (hatred, approval, or even fun) to previous words. The difference between this and c-speak is that the listener understands these connotations fully. c-speak is inherently deceptive because it denies connections with previous words ("no, you weren't laid off, we just restructured!"). Eventually c-speak might be introduced into English, but by then it is generally used without said deception (see opportunity, disabled). That's why new ones have to be invented all the time, because they have lost their disguise.

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  114. Help Advertise by SayHuh · · Score: 1

    I have long cringed at the sound of a buzz word or phrase when used to 'guide' me or 'encourage' me. I developed a tactic for 'giving it back to the man.' I simply take the buzz word and convert it with a thesarus and put it up high on every dry erase board I come across. It took a little time for the masses to figure it out but once they did the buzz word or phrase became open joke even among management thus killing its appeal to its creator. I think for me the scary part is when one of the translations becomes appealing and then I become one of 'them'..... wait this isn't good!

  115. Worse Corporate-Speak by still-a-geek · · Score: 1
    The worse has got to be "At the end of the day, ......"

    It makes no sense if you think about it. At the end of which day? It doesn't imply today. It implies sometime in the future, near or far. The sad part is that people use it because everyone else is using it, and they have no idea how to use it.

    So, I ask them, "At the end of which day?" This annoys the person because now he/she has to explain the term to me. It's rather hilarious hearing their explanation.

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    "Happily lived Mankind in the peaceful Valley of Ignorance." -- Hendrik Willem Van Loon
  116. Re:You have to fight for you own survival.. by qwan · · Score: 1

    I have this habit or actually i love speaking in simple terms. The main aim of my communications is making the other person understand. Now i am freelance webdesigner. When i talk with my clients and simplify things down for them they go like..."ah its so simple..". Then they ask me for discounts and they get extra smart trying to suggest absurd things. Then i just put so much of technical jargon on their pea sized brain that they just shut up and say OK. They dont want to show they did not understand. Another instance i was sitting with 4 friends and one guy a wannabe geek, but doesnt know bullshit. We are having a discussion about linux and windows and he was saying that linux is dead commercially and no major companies are using linux. So i was making my point in simple english as there were 3 more friends who are totally non-technical except for one who had done a master in computer application(funnily he doesnt know how to copy in dos when i asked him to once). Now this guy has actually heard the words the wannabe geek was using. He has only heard the words but doesnt know the meaning. In the end i just gave up the argument as the wannabe geek was just taking all the technical jargon he knew and making sentences out of it. So later my friend (the dos illiterate masters in computer application) tell with a smirk you lost it with that guy finally you met your match. I was like the guy is talking bullshit. Then i kept quite i mean this guy was supposed to be my friend and he was so happy that i "finally met my match" But that is what language can do and i use it many times to get my way not with close friends though

  117. blame it on the mbas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can blame this hogwash language on the MBAs out there, who are taught to speak in this purile form. Rest assured, the king has no clothes when it comes to this. One December day during my last year at university I was chatting with a librarian I know when a guy came up to her and said: 'Im an MBA.. I have a paper due in a week... How do I get started?'
    OK the guy was probably in the special business mba program where you can enter provided you have an equivalent amount of experience in the workforce. Back to the topic as on SD... this language is for people who dont acutally do any work, they dont know anything but make themselves sound important. Just like selling religion, clowns in suits who pimp this pablum are selling something so mystical nobody can understand it... and if we cant understand it, it must be genius... the weak and insecure fall for this act... Its really doublespeak to keep our focus off the really important things, like the bottom line, like who is or isnt on your team to actually do the real work, or like who is getting paid for doing nothing.

  118. Better to adapt to your enviroment by bahwi · · Score: 1

    Fight it if you can, if it's taken over, adapt. It's just like in a game.

    If you were playing oblivion, and you're used to FPS like Doom 3, you'd learn how to play, right? or would you get pissed off and write bad reviews and write to slashdot that Oblivion isn't doom 3 and therefore sucks.

    But, if you can resist, do it. But don't be stupid about it.

  119. Fight the bull by KerberosKing · · Score: 1

    I have to agree we need to fight. We are not alone in battling corporate-speak. Check out http://www.fightthebull.com.

  120. Those That Can't Do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...speak in a phony language. phony language for phony people.

    what did i do? i sent from employee to consultant and focused on learning new skills to start my own business. it has been a great opportunity, although, i haven't gone out on my own just yet - still consulting.

    i'm so disgusted with these types of people i don't want to spend any time even discussing these loasers.

    "dna company."

    no, you moron, that's your dna on the company logo pictured on your screen. doh!

  121. Yes, it is necessary by hendersj · · Score: 1

    For about the first 5 years of my IT career (which now spans about 15 years and now has me in a non-technical position managing a corporate program), I was able to get by without knowing much about the business my employer was in, and just fiddle around and play with IT systems.

    As you move up the corporate ladder and gain responsibility, it becomes necessary to speak the language of business. If you are unable to explain why an IT solution is a good solution in terms that business people can understand, you won't be successful.

    But IT people in business positions who can speak to the business so they can be understood can do very well. I just recently had an experience in my current "program management" position where I needed a system implemented. I was able to describe to IS&T in explicit detail exactly what my requirements were, and they were able to implement the system I needed in about 2 weeks. I got thanks from both the implementor and his director for being able to articulate what it was that I needed, because they get a lot of requests from non-technical people and spend a lot of time spinning their wheels just trying to understand the requirements.

    The best of both worlds - having business people understand you so you can implement things you believe are the right thing to implement, and being able to speak about the technology to the IT folks - can take you a long ways, unless your goal is to always be a tech and have the business tell you what to implement.

    You still have to put up with things like "decision alignment" (a big one on my team) and such, but in the end it's not so bad. Having the respect of your business is one way to ensure future employment/employability as well, and it makes a hell of a resume point.

    It also helps to be able to speak the language of business when a vendor comes in and tries to snow your company - it helps you see through the corporatespeak BS that a lot of vendor salespeople bring into your CIO/CTO and explain to the decision makers why it's BS.

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  122. Nah, corporate speak isn't taking over our IT dept by icepick72 · · Score: 1

    We still say stuff like "The thing with the flashing light needs to be fixed" and "The moving thing on that page that stateless page need to be changed to work with the progamming language in the browser that calls back to the main computer for more information." I mean, it takes a little longer to describe but at least we're not confused by buzz-words and stuff.

  123. Business Speak is Tribal Slang by BartF · · Score: 1

    ..for management. I'd like to call it 'Bizzonics(tm)'

  124. Moc them by egarland · · Score: 1

    Master the jargon and then rip it appart. Embrace, extend...

    I have to mow the lawn and a bunch of other 'opportunities for growth' this weekend. I think I'm going to 'realign' a few trees in the yard it's getting crouded.. etc etc.

    It's a great way to point out the absurdity without confronting it.

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  125. Run don't walk to the door by mattr · · Score: 1

    If it is all marketdroid buzzwords you should probably start looking for another employer, your department just got borged and projects will start failing. The buzzwords are being used to fool clients into paying a lot more money than they should, based on some simple tech and some slick graphic design probably. Then the smirking marketdroids will get on your case to do impossible things while pointing to their pseudologic which has absolutely no foundation or referents to reality and physical processes as known by mankind. There is no chance that you will be able to convince someone without a brain that he does not in fact have one. Your fault is in being honest and enthusiastic, while hoping to do a good, responsible job despite the presence of droids above you in the organization. Possible reactions include 1) resume writing 2) BOF tactics 3) lateral move within organization 4) do minimum and wait to get canned when they screw up 5) offer to be skewered and rotisseried at medium heat. Or possibly if it is not clear they will win, 6) do what you are told while putting 5PM, overtime and ownership of your own work into the contract.

  126. yes it is. by Savaticus · · Score: 1

    YES IT IS. I hate it but its true.

  127. When 'corporate-speak' goes trendy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I had the unfortunate experience of sitting on a crowded bus next to a 'Hoxton Media Boy' (Londoners will know what I mean) - who was on the phone to mates. The language he was using was amazing - it was straight out of an IT management office, but the meaning was wholly different.

    "Yer, I am going to upload to a bar tonight and just idle. Haven't had a one to one with Jamie for ages - he has been down and off the ping map for a while. My uptime has been crazy recently - I just need to power down and recharge. I might check out a movie tonight with Katy - as long as we are in sync. It seems like recently all the interfacing with her is just off stream - we just can't seem to open a fully duplexed channel"

    And so it went on... Horrible - just horrible.

    1. Re:When 'corporate-speak' goes trendy by vpalexander · · Score: 1

      So not easy To be smart but sleazy Yer tummy just a touch queasy Life's slime. Shakespearian sloth I am To rites of Hector be damned Principles contest with reality We are all a star-work dressed so shabbily.

  128. Selling the emperor his own clothes by BlueUnderwear · · Score: 1
    to sell the emperor his own clothes

    Excellend analogy! And the emperor is stupid enough to buy them, and "reorganizes" the tailors that really made them in the first place! <cue star wars imperial march>

    Next week: how to erect near borders while holding high the flag of a borderless world.

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  129. Re: TCP/IP ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TCP/IP? What does that mean?

    Ah yess : Transient Corporate Parleance / Intellectual Pretentiousness ??

  130. Clues are everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    www.cluetrain.com

  131. I disagree. by TheLink · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is a big difference between field/industry specific "technical" jargon and buzzwords. The former is NOT obfuscation at all.

    Myocardial Infarction has a fairly specific meaning, and is very useful for _concisely_ conveying that meaning to medics. Whereas saying someone has a heart problem isn't specific enough.

    Same goes when you are saying a benchmark is an OLAP benchmark and another is an OLTP benchmark to some IT guy.

    Whereas when those people say something like "leveraging disintermediation paradigms" they are usually using a lot to say very little.

    I wouldn't even say it's the difference between info compression and info decompression, because often with business buzzwords, there is very little info.

    To me it's more like these people are expected to open their mouths and move them. But they know the more they actually say, the more they'd get in trouble (either because they don't really know much, or because they don't want to be pinned down on what they say later on), so they have to talk and say nothing much. Same for printed material - they have to fill column inches of a PR release or press interview.

    There's a significant difference between saying someone has Chronic Myeloid Leukemia, vs Acute Myeloid Leukemia.

    Whereas AFAIK there is very little difference in practice between:
    "envisioneer compelling synergies" and "architect impactful initiatives".

    Everyone with sense just watches what the person saying that sort of stuff actually _does_ after that. e.g. who gets sacked, who gets promoted, who gets dead-ended, and what policies change.

    And none of that might actually be related to what was said.

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    1. Re:I disagree. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whereas AFAIK there is very little difference in practice between:
      "envisioneer compelling synergies" and "architect impactful initiatives".


      You are not very good at this are you ?

      If your manager says the first phrase, he means he is going to lay off people or give you more work -- This will achieve "synergy" -- the tasks that 2 guys are doing are related so by laying off someone, he gets 1 guy to do the related tasks -- hence synergy

      The second one usually means exactly the opposite... the manager has found some quixotian task that he needs funding for (usually means more hiring)..

    2. Re:I disagree. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You don't know what the f*ck you're talking about do you?

    3. Re:I disagree. by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Please provide evidence for what you claim those phrases mean.

      There are reasonably authoritative sources for MI, CML and AML, and also OLAP and OLTP. Just google and you'll find them.

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  132. Mission critical != Critical mission by samjam · · Score: 1

    Don't forget something can be mission critical in a non-critical mission.

  133. Sure, go along with the tide, but.... by whitestone · · Score: 1

    In any meeting, note your action points, and be careful not to throw the babies in the water. If there is meeting when the department has a 'challenge' , try blame stroming in a small group first. Never put short time priorities before business development, running break even is not what the company was setup for. Resist corporate annorexia when the manager cannot come up with a detailed financial calculation.

  134. Learn from Dave Chappell by professorfalcon · · Score: 1

    Start a progressively proactive and extensible trend. Instead of using transparent, out-of-the-box corporate speak, repurpose and introduce yourself to the collaborating and integrated end-to-end community in the following best-in-class, ROI-maximized manner: "I'm the IT guy, b*tch."

    1. Re:Learn from Dave Chappell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you mean: dave chappelle
      ?

  135. Be strong and shape the world around you by jandersen · · Score: 1

    When people used this kind of 'speak', whether it is techspeak or corporate speak or whatever, I suspect it simply is an attempt to cover their incompetence. It is a sort of general waffling around; if you really know what you are talking about, you will simply say it. Why would a manager say 'realignment' instead of 'firing people'? Simply because he is afraid; insecure, simply, maybe bad conscience. Think about it - if you manage a company and you realize that you actually have to fire some people, and you really feel this is the right thing to do; wouldn't you simply say something like 'This is our situation - I have to fire x people. I hate it as much as anybody, but we have to do it. We will go about it like this ...'?

    As for whether you have to talk like the suits - I don't know. I certainly know I wouldn't do it; being competent and speaking clearly are two of the fundamental values in my view of the world, and also the main reasons for my career success.

  136. Fire the fools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People who use 'management speak' contribute nothing to the business.
    Such people should be fired immediately. Their nonsense-speak is little more than an attempt to cover up their own lack of useful function, and their own lack of competence. There is no point in talking in a language that is not concise, precise, and that other people can understand.
    A person whithout a solid background in the area that they are managing is not a useful manager. This has proven repeatedly in American and British business, yet companies still appoint 'professional' managers who have studied 'management science'.
    Management is about understanding what your people are doing, delegating reasonable tasks to meet corporate aims, managing resources, and making sure that they people are happy with doing the set tasks.
    Management is not about applying some management philosophy invented for 'management science' courses. People that have been subjected to these courses usually appear brain damaged to normal workers, and usually sink the business long term by generating unhappiness and a general impression that the business is being run by morons. Anyone with reasonable personal skills, and normal levels of rationality and intelligent can manage. There is no need to hire in imcompetent fools to boost the bottom line in the short term by making cuts that then hit long term competitiveness.

  137. not all bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One good thing about corporate speak is that it's a neutral common ground that just about everyone can agree on without interfering with any domain space issues of the actual businesses themselves. I still don't really like it but it goes over much better than tech jargon when I'm talking to managers and clients and just about anyone else not working in software development. If your job is hidden from the contextual relevance of what you're facilitating (through support or implementation or whatever else) then it might not be very useful

  138. Fuck Corporate Speak by xaoslaad · · Score: 1

    Half the world is going to call this a flame, but it is strictly my opinion, so mod me down if you want, but it won't hurt my feelings...

    Now, for how I feel; you can shove your corporate speak up your ass.

    People can make the falacious arguement that techno speak is the same thing, but it is not. Asshole system admins often use it in the same manner, but they are devoid of intellegence, and are as expendable as most humans in management positions.

    Groups (whether they are composed of developers, network administrators/engineers, sysadmins etc.) that converse intelligently using terms related to technology often need to do so to design and implement systems properly. These people should NOT be trying to fling these terms at management in order to keep them uninvolved. Doing so to mask your own incompetence, steer them into making the decisions you want, or otherwise deceive them is completely wrong. Someone in this profession should most definately have the skills required to take what they know in the terms of technology and break it down in a way that management will understand. Give them as much knowledge as they need, in a way that they can understand it, so that they can make informed decisions, ask intelligent questions related to the project/problem at hand, and perform their job to the best of their ability. In terms of management that usually means that the job gets done in the way that most benefits the company. In my previous job, I was frequently used to 'translate' between sysadmins and developers, or between Windows sysadmins and *nix sysadmins (and so on), because they could not understand each others little worlds. My nature as a computer hobbyist and enthusiast has led me down each of these roads to at least a certain extent, so that by no means an expert in most of them, I can at least understand what Joe Unix Admin is trying to say to Bob Windows Admin. If these people cannot even talk to each other (which I consider very distressing), how can they even remotely expect to communicate with management...

    Corporate buzz words on the other hand are a pile of smoldering bullshit. touch base? blip on the radar? total cost of ownership? put the ball in their court? mission critical? synergy? bleeding edge? think outside the box? out of the loop?

    Right. What a crock of shit. Dealing with corporate types and their eternal lines of shit drove me from the professional field. I now happily go to school for computer science and engineering. It will probably remain an expensive hobby forever. My new job permits me to voice my opinions much more freely. My fellow Marines aren't necessarily the brightest bunch, but none of them are remotely afraid of telling me how it really is (in plain english.) And they aren't afraid to hear how it is from me either. There is something to be envied in that. And as far as I know the only term above that I hear is 'mission critical', because we cannot accomplish our units mission without certain equipment. But then we actually carry out missions. Companies make profits... calling it a mission seems silly after you've been on this side.

    1. Re:Fuck Corporate Speak by umedia · · Score: 1
      "Corporate buzz words on the other hand are a pile of smoldering bullshit. touch base? blip on the radar? total cost of ownership? put the ball in their court? mission critical? synergy? bleeding edge? think outside the box? out of the loop?"

      Wouldn't any group assigned to converse intelligently regarding a task be adapt to jargonize somewhat? You seem to accept it for one group over another. Perhaps this is the root of your frustration not the suits in management.

      "touch base? blip on the radar? total cost of ownership? put the ball in their court? mission critical? synergy? bleeding edge? think outside the box? out of the loop?"

      These words while a bit dated do have a place, except for synergy which can get you fired in many cases. I see the "us vs. them" attitude as the smoldering bullshit that needs to be sidestepped. That and IT staff that say paradigm more than 3 times a week.

      --
      "Humans are considered to be primitive, the third smartest species on Earth"
  139. Not just buzzwords, but a different perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need to realise that people higher up in the company have a different perspective on things than you. A wider perspective. That influences the lingo.

  140. Have you heard: NLP, Korzybski, neurosemantics... by hobong · · Score: 1

    In 30's Alfred Korzybski laid foundation for General Semantics ... In early 70's Richard Bandler (programmer!) and John Grinder (psychologist) started development of Neuro-Linguistic Programming. Since then NLP evolved and was applied in many areas. Big Corporations were among main clients of NLP-masters. Other clients: (...There were many of them, for sure!...). Hidden (for near everybody) technology took world under the hook. Look at ever-smiling politics, hear what about they say ... really. Now, 10 years after M. Hall developed neurosemantics, more of this technology is available for "people" (and, I suppose, with less objections which might arose around NLP). Mind control, which is obvious application of NLP, should be recognizable by everybody - especially citizens of "democratic" countries...

  141. One of the roles by Anonymous+MadCoe · · Score: 1

    Of a system architect actually is being able to speak both languages and do the translation. At least that's what it meant for me. Or even I got the position because I was able to translate.

    if you really cannot cope with the C-Speak, maybe you don't want to climb the coorperate ladder, maybe the "Peter priciple" applies to you (it's a book, look it up, amusing and the guy has a point).

  142. Swearbox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One company I worked for had a swearbox, into which you had to pay if you said certain words such as "paradigm"!

  143. Only MidLevel- Top Level Managers are plain spoken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best top level managers I've met are plain spoken people.

    They are masterful communicators that never use corporate double talk.

    They hire a P.R. guy to make press releases with corporate talk.

  144. It's not too bad until... by PainBot · · Score: 1
    You think you have it bad ?
    What do you think happens in a non-English-speaking country, when your boss, whose native language is clearly not English, speaks too much English in meetings ?
    They just tend to insert random English words in every sentence, 50% of the time, pronounced badly, sometimes, at the wrong moment.

    It's just pathetic. On the bright side, though, it makes for interesting meetings if you try to track every word that shouldn't have been pronounced, and compare your list with your colleagues. Business loto, anyone ?

    Example in French: Le quality man fait la glue entre les différents business types.

  145. You have to master the english language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Simon it should be you're not your. As in your excellent message is lost because you're not presenting it well.

  146. Choice Quotes by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

    This problem isn't new.

    "A sophistical rhetorician, inebriated with the exuberance of his own verbosity and gifted with an egotistical imagination that can at all times command an interminable and inconsistent series of arguments to malign an opponent and to glorify himself."
    - Disraeli, on Gladstone, 1878

    "More matter, with less art!"
    - Gertrude. Hamlet, Act 2, Scene 2, by William Shakespere, 16th century

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    May the Maths Be with you!
  147. Boss is right by farfisa69 · · Score: 1

    This is just the kind of synergistic, customer-centric, upsell-driven, out-of-the-box, customizable, strategically tactical, best-of-breed thought leadership that will help our clients track to true north. Let's fly this up the flagpole and see where the pushback is.

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  148. Group Speak by AaronDunlap · · Score: 1

    Use this mindless corporate drivel against itself. Punish GroupSpeak users by introducing known "concepts" but implying incorrect values to them. Intentionally use them in related, but inconsistent ways to obscure meaning. And use hybrid-speak frequently. BlueTooth becomes BlueTube & so forth. They deserve it...

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  149. Pick up a copy of CIO Magazine by JumperCable · · Score: 1

    You can see just about every new corporate fad that hits your office as it roles off the press. You can get it for free just by breathing. You can see where they come up with their hair-brained ideas. And who knows, if you are in the right position, you might be able to point out that the latest fad works great for company X profiled in the Magazine, but doesn't fit your companies specific needs.

  150. Cloud your thoughts the Dark Side wants ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Warns Master Yoda you ...

  151. Re:When they don't know or care they talk nonsense by indifferent+children · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The problem starts with nepotism and cronyism.

    The problem usually starts with an MSCE and ends with an MBA.

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    Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. --Mark Twain
  152. LOL! n/t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (n/t)

  153. My favorite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was actually said by a manager at one of our meetings.

    "We're looking to ramp up our knowledge capital until we achieve critical mass, moving forward."

    I wrote in my notebook for posterity.

  154. Check out this site for corporate language crimes by iXiXi · · Score: 1
  155. Tribal Dialects and CorpSpeak by rclandrum · · Score: 1

    I feel like unless one studies and masters the use of these pretentious buzzwords and phrases, he/she will be run over by people with worse ideas but a nicer-sounding delivery. Is corporate speak a necessary evil?

    Yes, corporate speak is a necessary evil and yes, unless you master the use of these phrases you WILL be run over by your more astute comrades.

    Each major department in a corporation, such as marketing, management, IT, etc - has its own dialect and way of communicating concepts and ideas. At the IT level, precision is valued and useful. At the corporate/management level, the ability to convey large concepts in shorthand terms or to tone down specific bad news with obfuscating phraseology is useful. The language depends on the job involved. As a quick example, the reason why most corporations have project managers and insist that it be only the project manager that communicates with the client is that the PM knows how to communicate with the client in ways that will not jeopordize the contract. An IT weenie might blurt out that "you need to immediately buy 20 more servers or this won't work", whereas the PM knows that in most cases any contractual change issues must absolutely be approached with care and require much softer language, giving the client time to mentally adjust to the new reality of spending a bunch more money, etc.

    The people with the most job security in a corporation are the multilingual people that know exactly how to convey ideas between departments. When marketing starts spouting Web 2.0 or the need to leapfrog the competition, and you take that back to IT and tell them that marketing wants the background color of the website changed ASAP (and marketing is happy as a result), you have now become valuable to both marketing and IT as someone that can perform translations - i.e. someone critical to the smooth operation of the company.

    The more dialects you learn to speak, the more critical you become, and it now becomes real easy to leverage that pay raise.

  156. "my self" by n9hmg · · Score: 1

    Just remember to use that everywhere the word "me" should go (my personal pet peeve).

  157. People take it seriously by deuterium · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My prior boss at a lrage department within a State University was taken the the concept of XML many years ago when it first became a popular buzzword. "We've got to make everything XML!" he was often heard to say, and relishes the chances to demonstrate his knowledge of the term around higher-ups. As a result, all of the content for the web pages we were working on became text files in various folders. Some held one piece of data, some held hundreds. He essentially re-created the database using the folder tree as relationships. For this, he was promoted, and later stolen away by another company. I was left to maintain the sea of non-standard xml files of various names, and no-one listened to me because I obviously didn't undersatnd XML.

  158. The real problem by sjames · · Score: 1

    The real problem isn't the corporate speak itself, it's all of the euphamisims mixed into it. Those can be recognized by btheir rate of replacement. For example, fire becomes layoff becomes downsize becomes rightsize.

    In other words, so many corporations and their managers have lied, cheated, and stolen so often that the very language they speak has fallen into disrepute.

  159. Ultimate Corporate Speak Dictionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For those of you new to the corporate language, this is the ultimate corporate speak dictionary (clean version):

    1)I think we are badly coordinated = We are screwing things up
    2)I have a different perspective = You are so wrong
    3)If you like, we can do this = Do not change it or I'll kill you
    4)It would be very frustrating = You will upset me
    5)I think we are talking about the same = Shut up your big mouth
    6)I do not think it would look nice like that = This is crappy
    7)Do a quick and dirty = Quickly because they are awaiting us!
    8)I think is a semantic problem = you are taking pure BS
    9)We can come back at that later = Can't you see I am busy?
    10)This is a draft = It is not pretty but it works
    11)Estimate this = Just give me a wild guess
    12)Coordinate your efforts with ... = I do not think you can do this alone
    13)I will think loudly = I am going to say a bunch of stupid things
    14)I think your point is valid but = Are you kidding me?
    15)I will exaggerate this = Let me explain it in 3 year old terms
    16)Didn't you receive my e-mail? = F*** I forgot about this
    17)You went over budget = Stop going to the strip joint
    18)It will be ready tomorrow = I will be up all night
    19)To conclude = Let get the Heck out of here

  160. I solve "problems" but I ignore "challenges" by OnTheWay · · Score: 1

    It is what it isn't. The bottom line is, when we've drawn a line in the sand and the sand has blown away and the line isn't there more, and the situation on the ground is about the same as the situation suspended 300 feet in the air, well, at the end of the day we should all go home.

  161. precision by raygundan · · Score: 2, Funny

    There's a significant difference between saying someone has Chronic Myeloid Leukemia, vs Acute Myeloid Leukemia.

    Around here, we refer to both of those as "Opportunities for Synergistic Patient-Doctor Care Interaction."

    Precision is critical. Nonsense-crap like this accomplishes nothing except to hide the actual facts.

    1. Re:precision by dkf · · Score: 2, Funny
      There's a significant difference between saying someone has Chronic Myeloid Leukemia, vs Acute Myeloid Leukemia.
      Around here, we refer to both of those as "Opportunities for Synergistic Patient-Doctor Care Interaction."
      Surely you actually mean "Opportunities to Optimize the Synergistic Stakeholder Interrelation Interaction Index"? If you're going to spout this sort of rubbish, remember that it is important that nobody should have any idea what you're talking about since you're doing it to cover up the fact that you don't know either.
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      "Little does he know, but there is no 'I' in 'Idiot'!"
  162. conflicting questions by DennisInDallas · · Score: 1

    Necessary evil? - no.
    To climb the corporate ladder? - yes.

  163. Do you know what is worse than that.... by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    Buisness speek mixed with IT jargon, mixed with government anachronisms. Thats my job.

    I remember this one meeting (it was a SCIM (pronounced like skim milk though of course) meeting, see they even use anachoranisms for meething names! I know the last two are Information Managment, S is probably service, anyway lame). I I found myself at mid meeting trying I VERY hardest not to laugh out loud, as it was just so silly and absurd. It really was a different language they were speaking. Mix in the usual IT anachornisms, like IT, IIS, html, cpu, ATA, etc... add a dab of Government sections like, ITSB, SSB, OSS, etc... then some programs like, LIDS, OLID, etc... then add some applications names, NRVIS, LIS, etc... then add some OTHER buisness names like BLT, etc.... and finally as a coup de grace start spouting sentances that make no sense like "thats a straw dog" and other phrases that are useless. Mix this up with a healthy dose of nomal biz-speak with words like "action items" and "synergy" (which I think is my least favorite word in the enitre world, as soon as someome utters that word at me, I assume whatever else follows is total bullshit, and disregard whatever that person says), or proactive, deliverables, realign, horizontal this and vertical that, blah blah blah..... Now mix that all together and puke it out for a 3 hour meeting, and wonder how you are still sane.

    Thats my rant.

    on a side note, I got a email from a friend at work, it only consisted of 3 sentances. It contained over 17 anachronisms. I did LOL for that one. The scary thing was that she wasn't trying to be funny.

  164. Play their game by your rules by grudgelord · · Score: 1

    Most of this corporate gibbering and drooling is really nothing more than a distasteful variation of a theme derived from Orwellian Doublespeak. All one must do is listen to a George Carlin routine to really get an understanding of how we manipulate words to lessen or eliminate the negative impact. The purpose is, of course, is the adumbration of the negative points of a given topic. One of the concepts of "selling" is getting around the buyer's misgivings. This is accomplished by burying the question in a mire of buzzwords and ding-a-lingo so that the misgiving can never be voiced. I won't delve into the many ways an employee can get "canned" in corporate dildo-speak.

    That aside I am reminded of the remarks of a respected anthropology professor I studied under some years ago. One of his first lessons was to impress upon us that every profession has its own unique vocabulary and that the wise would learn that profession's vocabulary if they wished to communicate with their peers. He maintained that the greatest part of mastering a profession was mastering its vocabulary. As the business world involves more babbling than actually doing, more deferring blame than accepting responsibility then one must conclude his statements to be true.

    Now one could argue that an anthropological vocabulary actually has more meaning than a corporate vocabulary and they'd probably be right. However, we aren't arguing the legitimacy of the argot but rather the wisdom in investing in it. Considering the IT sector has devolved into technical slaves toiling away for the corporate plutocrats you've been handed a unique opportunity to tip the scale in our (the IT geeks) favor as well as advance your career simultaneously. Learn to "talk the talk" while walking your own walk. Learn to communicate with these high-dollar cutpurses in their own language, thus ingratiating yourself to them. This way, you see past the lies and obfuscation and hopefully can more effectively cut to the heart of the issue. If you are fortunate it will make you appear to be "part of the corporate culture, a "team player" and also be the one guy who is known for getting things done. Just don't forget to blow your own horn.

    If you fear that this approach might "eat your brain" like a cancer remember this. When you were a kid you most likely learned a great many obscenities that you used in casual conversation with your friends but somehow managed to automatically and unconsciously censor yourself around your parents. You may have to call upon that same mechanism to avoid "entering into a dialog" and "minimizing risk" in your everyday social life. But it can be done.

    Or do look at it another way. We "geeks" tend to have something of an (not necessarily erroneous) inflated intellectual opinion of ourselves, especially when compared against our corporate masters. If this is true then we should have little trouble mastering their silly little pidgin and translating the bs into an efficient productive tongue. Pride yourself on being an effective translator. Though its not likely to get you a position at the UN it is something that is needed in today's dysfunctional corporate economy.

    Hell, maybe you could compile a lexicon for the rest of us.

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    1. Re:Play their game by your rules by umedia · · Score: 1
      "Or do look at it another way. We "geeks" tend to have something of an (not necessarily erroneous) inflated intellectual opinion of ourselves, especially when compared against our corporate masters. If this is true then we should have little trouble mastering their silly little pidgin and translating the bs into an efficient productive tongue. Pride yourself on being an effective translator. Though its not likely to get you a position at the UN it is something that is needed in today's dysfunctional corporate economy."

      How Dilbert, truly this is the flash back thread.

      Masters, pidgin, dysfunctional... Those of you often passed over may want to frame this post.

      --
      "Humans are considered to be primitive, the third smartest species on Earth"
  165. what's with fancy jobtitles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I am going from a straight system administration role to more of a high-level systems architect for a mid-sized company"

    An Architect is a person who designs buildings. Why do people feel that their jobtitle is so important. What's wrong with 'Programmer', or even 'Software Developer'? You're playing their game already.

  166. Cowboy Boots. by umedia · · Score: 1
    If you think "Corporate speech" is part of advancing in the IT or any other department you need cowboy boots. As a kid I was shown that these things are great for getting thru bull crap.

    I almost feel as if I've hit a time warp into the 80's.

    Newsflash, corporate speech died around the time we all started to make casual Friday's everyday wear. Every industry has its own terminology and you should be aware of that, but the task of IT is to explain to partnerships or management what they have, what they need, how best to use it and what should be done to protect it, in words that everyone, regardless to technological experience can understand. To many times I've seen blog catch phrases used to project knowledge that frankly was not there.

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    "Humans are considered to be primitive, the third smartest species on Earth"
  167. Fight for the right of deliverables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Disagree. Whether "deliverable" is an adjective or noun, its use in day-to-day communication within IT (or other industries) is pretty clear: "This is what should 'be' by so and so a day."

    And it's not limited to products.

    Deliverable implies: "finished programs," "documents," "timelines," "schedule" -- anything that can be "delivered" from one person to another.

    Consider an Oracle engineering project. Say, a physical standby configuration.

    The three deliverables might be:

            - Completed setup of and fully functional standby system.
            - Documentation on the configuration.
            - Utilities for automated management of the standby.

    "products" doesn't quite capture it. "programs" certainly doesn't (documentation is not a program). "Items" -- perhaps, but again, seems to imply something physical. "Things that need to be done and/or functional" is wordy.

    I know, ./'ers are geeks, and geeks tend to think corporate types are evil. (They say behind their desks and near their empty cans of Diet Coke.) But to simplify a whole sublanguage under a single umbrella is hopelessly ignorant.

    I'm not say there isn't such a thing as "buzzword" -- or obscure, wordy language in general, particularly that meant to hide ignorance; this goes back to the sophists, folks. (See Protagarus. Also see Strunk's Elements of Style.) But "deliverable" doesn't belong to the buzzword category.

  168. Communities by Terov · · Score: 1

    Adopting the vernacular is a big part of assimilation into a linguistic community. If you want to be identified as part of the community, your language should say, "I identify with you," and "I'm not unlike you," instead of "I think you're stupid."

    Depends on your goals, really. If you want to stick to your no-BS values, by all means do so. But your language engenders your identity in large part. Be mindful of the frames you invoke.

    Effective strategy:
    Decide where you want to be in the company; adopt the language and dress of that department or those executives; watch the golf invitations flow.

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  169. Re:Why even have meetings? by vertinox · · Score: 1

    I found that meetings that used jargon were far more efficient than the meetings that didn't.

    Color me military school, but what I don't get about meetings is why they are needed in a corporate world?

    Most of the companies I have worked for (except the really small ones) don't have meetings. It is basically a top down approach.

    The management basically doesn't take input from anyone other than informal email and anonymous drop boxes and the only meetings we have are one on one quarterly reviews with our manager.

    99% of our other time is spent working independently. We basically show our work in what we accomplish and not what we have claimed to accomplish in the meetings. (Of course our work is easily measured in metrics and in tasks accomplished and logs)

    Anything that needs to be said or communicated to higher management is communicated right then and there in person. Strategies are not formed on the lower level and they do not ask for our input in meetings.

    Sure this is kind of autocratic, but businesses aren't democracy... And there is no reason a business cannot function without meetings. Just divide up people into groups of 8-10 (standard military unit) and assign a "squad" leader (no manager type of person who holds similar responsibilities as those under him/her). Those members communicate immediate needs and problems to that "squad" leader and they in turn communicate directly to higher ups and so on in a chain of command.

    This way... Work can be done independently and without wasting times in long meetings which information could have just been distributed by email.

    Well... If you can't work independently and without constant direction then... Maybe meetings are the only way to go, but of course many companies these days require their employees to be able to work on and take own initiative when accomplishing tasking.

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    "I am the king of the Romans, and am superior to rules of grammar!"
    -Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
  170. Corporate speak is like xml... by Senzei · · Score: 1
    ...90% of the time it is not needed, and it always makes expressing a concept ten times as verbose. In a few, very few, cases it is essential to getting things done, but if you have to ask if you need it you probably don't.

    Just like (misused) xml it makes people look productive without needing to be productive. Avoid using it at all costs, in conversations rephrase it in normal language before agreeing/disagreeing, and in general make everyone be explicit about what they mean. As long as you are able to get valuable work done and always ask for clarification "so everyone is on the same page" no one will really be able to object, and eventually people will just stop so they don't have to constantly repeat themselves.

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    Slashdot: Where anecdotes and generalizations can be freely substituted for facts, logic, or intelligence
  171. "Deliverable" isn't sufficiently precise by Cybrex · · Score: 1

    Agreed. It doesn't have to be a product offered to a customer. "Project", "task", and "assignment" all work perfectly well, and are in fact more precise.

    I'm not saying that this is universally true, but where I work it seems that corp-speak is used to compensate for poor vocabulary skills. Most of the management types here simply aren't articulate enough to communicate effectively, even using plain language.

    Their written communication skills are even worse than their oral communication skills. I've received e-mail messages from upper-level managers that had such bad grammar that I genuinely couldn't tell what they were trying to convey.

    This is not to say that my IT cohorts are significantly better.

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    Boundless Expansion, Self-Transformation, Dynamic Optimism, Intelligent Technology, Spontaneous Order- BEST DO IT SO!
  172. Corporate "Speak" is just another technical jargon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Corporate speak isn't fundamentally differrent from computer speak, and yes you do need both if you are going to get a role that is "corporate" or interfaces with "corporate".

    Management is a real area of expertese. With its own jargon.

    Like any technical jargon. It has its place its good to communicate between
    people of the same "tribe" and helps people express goals very well. There is
    not a lot of difference between talking about "Inversion of Control" or something
    like that or talking about say "commodization". Both are idioms. They express
    a lot to a audience that understands them.

    This is what is also "bad" about technical jargon as well. The real world is complex and idioms are efficent sometimes, but inpeneterable when talking to other "tribes". I can't even talk to windows people with the same set of technical jargon, because some words have subtly different meanings. For instance, some PKI policy even acronyms _overlap_ with PKI technical acronyms!

    The bottom line is you need to understand your bosses, customers, clients, ect...
    Ideally that means being conversent with _each_ technical jargon.

    Garick

  173. Why not beat them in their own game? by ashtophoenix · · Score: 1

    Fighting is good and would prevail in a company based on fundamentally 'genuine' principles. But what of a company that is rotten in it's very guts with politics. How does a technical, genuine speaking individual prevail here? Or develop if you will (not develop in terms of inner development or technical skills, but in terms of cash and position). Coz if one doesn't develop in those areas, one would find oneself reporting to the same corporate speech experts but technical retards that one abhors. Seems to me that the only way to resolve this contradiction is to beat them in their own game. As impossible as it may sound, this is the REAL CHALLENGE. To not change from the inside but beat them in their own game, for which one may have to adopt corp speech but it would be means to a different end...an end one genuinely believes in.

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    Life is about being a Phoenix!
  174. walletectomy by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 1
    Around here, we refer to both of those as "Opportunities for Synergistic Patient-Doctor Care Interaction."

    The situation is, regrettably, far more dire. I fear we may have to perform a complete walletectomy.

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    Shop as usual. And avoid panic buying.
  175. The Real Challenge by ashtophoenix · · Score: 1

    Fighting is good and would prevail in a company based on fundamentally 'genuine' principles. But what of a company that is rotten in it's very guts with politics. How does a technical, genuine speaking individual prevail here? Or develop if you will (not develop in terms of inner development or technical skills, but in terms of cash and position). Coz if one doesn't develop in those areas, one would find oneself reporting to the same corporate speech experts but technical retards that one abhors. Seems to me that the only way to resolve this contradiction is to beat them in their own game. As impossible as it may sound, this is the REAL CHALLENGE. To not change from the inside but beat them in their own game, for which one may have to adopt corp speech but it would be means to a different end...an end one genuinely believes in.

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    Life is about being a Phoenix!
  176. Translator by marcopo · · Score: 1

    You need to write a script to automatically translate emails to/from certain recipients (and some Babel fish for meetings.)

  177. Ye Olde Corporate Speak by lunartik · · Score: 1

    When I was "seperated from the company" as part of a "workforce reduction" I knew exactly what they meant. Especially since I was "relieved of my duties" to focus on my "internal job search" for the next two weeks, but I was also relieved of my laptop, ID badge, keys and office.

  178. Gotta Go Along to Get Along by PeolesDru · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know - do you have to learn the secret handshake to join the Buffalo Lodge? Of course you do. Back in highschool, a friend of mine was angry about a perceived slight. See, she had interviewed for Yale and the next day a friend of hers interviewed with the same guy. Her friend had mentioned her and the Yale guy was like "Ohhh, the girl with the um..." and then pointed at his nose, referring to her nose stud. I related this tale of bigotry to my father who replied, "Hey, you don't try to join the Hell's Angels wearing a tuxedo." And that's the point: We humans naturally band together into clubs, packs, guilds and cohorts. Most professions have their own lingo - doctors, engineers, lawyers, waitstaff, etc. If you want to get into the higher-paid management "clique" in your company, you should probably emulate them to whatever extent the extra money is worth the whoring of your "true self".

  179. Seymour Cray once said... by ColonelPanic · · Score: 1

    "I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you."

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    "Skill shows through where genius wears thin." -Wittgenstein || Religion: uniting aviation and architecture.
  180. No no no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Corporate speak serves to eliminate emotion and minimize objection. Realignment, right-sizing? Terms to get all aboard. Think soldier, think troops.

    In Corporate, one doesn't say, "I'm scared.." or "I worry.." one learns "My concern is..." Corporate speak is to minimize emotion not cloud ideas as you suggest.

    When one analyzes Corporate one can not ignore that early corporate models were established by those whose backgrounds included the military nevermind sports. Has anything changed?

    I thrive to a deadline, adrenalin rush, am less impassioned by a deliberable. Does deliverable suggest a common goal versus individual? Am I onboard when I say it or just fitting in? When in Rome deportment, but back in the field? It's a deadline.

      My Corporate world brings me down, makes me think in line not sound.

  181. Re:When they don't know or care they talk nonsense by MrHyd3 · · Score: 0

    indifferent children, I couldn't of said it better.

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    -------- Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. --Ozzy
  182. it's just a language by bitspotter · · Score: 1

    Think of it like Chinese.

    Regardless of the way the language influences thought, you're going to get more respect if you speak the language of the people you're doing business with.

    Even if you think the language dumbs down speakers and listeners, or even de-sensitizes them to unethical behaviour, the fact is that mastering the language is going to give you an edge. If your goal is to succeed within the business, learn it. If, on the other hand, your goal is to crusade for saner, kinder, gentler language, then by all means preach, and resist. Just be prepared to be outdone by competitors who make your bosses feel better and more informed.

  183. 100% buzzword compliant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buy all your staff t-shirts that say "100% buzzword compliant" under the company logo and have them wear them to the company meetings.

  184. Problem with that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody will be left busily trying to figure out what I just said... they'll all nod in agreement and leave right after me because I obviously just gave the impression that somebody's already all over it like white on rice and that that somebody was me.

  185. Re:walletectomy [pedant alert] by Reziac · · Score: 1

    The procedure in fact exists:

    Some years ago doctors discovered that a particular type of recurring, intractable back pain was caused by driving long distances with a fat wallet in one's back pocket, which in turn puts pressure against certain nerves. Remove the wallet from the pocket, and the pain goes away!

    Some wag dubbed this a "walletectomy" -- which unlike corporate-speak, has a real if ironic meaning ("removal of the wallet").

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    ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
  186. Indeed: Check out my sig... by titzandkunt · · Score: 1

    Just changed my sig to this Orwell quote yesterday. Good to see that others have taken Orwell's essays on board.

    T&K.

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    Political language ... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable...
  187. Area around a box... by Heymoe · · Score: 1
    An upper level manager with the Postal Service was holding court after a fluff-speak filled meeting with us minions. I had to pass by him and the group of suck ups that immediately formed in his vicinity.

    He mistook me for a executive wannabe and asked me about energizing the dynamics in our work group. I told him that people kept talking about thinking outside the box, but since we are in the delivery business we should think ABOUT the box.

    The guy looked like he just had a revelation. Something tells me he'd architected a meaningful world class enterprise strategy (and appropriated my sarcasm as a new catch phrase at the same time).

  188. Screw the French too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yet as we get rid of more of these destructive trade barriers, the number of Americans holding "good jobs" (i.e. middle class) has been on the rise.

    "for surely that is how we want to live with the majority living in abject poverty with no health care or housing."

    Nothing to worry about, since we are moving in the opposite direction from the situation of poverty, no health care, no housing. With homeless for example: the numbers are so small, and a significant proportion of those who are homeless are living that lifestyle by choice (former mental patients, gutter bums etc). The US poverty rate percentage is really quite small and getting smaller. The official total of "35.9 million Americans living in poverty" includes a large proportion of well-fed families with multiple cars, 5 TV's and lots of other luxuries. That's not poverty.

    You are right, however. Brazil is not anything to emulate at all. They have a socialist government right now, and socialism has been proven time and again to make problems worse. (Not that Lula is an sort of bloodthirsty fascist dictator like Chavez. He's well-intentioned but misinformed)

    "Screw those cheese eating surrender monkey French"

    Talk about spiraling down the drain. The socialist stuff there is unraveling: it is not a sustainable system. Even the public transit system is worthless: no "easy access" when lazy transit "workers" stage one of their frequest strikes.

    However: what is it with you and ethnic slurs? Earlier you have supported the most vile antisemitism. More recently, you complained of browned-skinned people and/or "Whops". Now it is the French.

    I wonder. Do you have any good Polish jokes on you?