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Microsoft May Delay Windows Vista Again
UltimaGuy writes to mention a Reuters report, stating that Vista may be delayed again, this time by up to three months. From the article: " The research note, released to clients [by the Gartner Group] on Monday, said the new Windows Vista operating system is too complex to be able to meet Microsoft's targeted November release for volume license customers and January launch for retail consumers. A Microsoft spokeswoman said the company disagreed with the Gartner report and it was still on track to meet its launch dates."
I certainly didnt see this coming!
MS/Hurd
Okay, I am getting tired of these delays. If I hadn't seen a beta, I would claim that Vista is vaporware. How many times does this make that it has been delayed? Maybe the reason for the insane specs is because by the time it gets out it will run on old, outdated computers.
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"Microsoft still wants to get it out as soon as possible, but slipping from January to March is nowhere near as bad as slipping from shipping before the holidays to after the holidays," a group of Gartner analysts wrote in the report.
What is this, a game console? What does Microsoft care if it slips for the Holiday season? If anyone gets a computer for Christmas, they're still likely to get it with Microsoft products. If not (i.e. they buy an Apple), I don't see that having Vista out will help that much.
Javascript + Nintendo DSi = DSiCade
"We won't be releasing it any time soon, but please enjoy the view."
Haven't they finished taking out everything that makes it different from XP yet?!??!?
Duke Nukem 3D project managers?
Now if MS actually can meet its launch date, the industry media will praise them, rather than saying, "uh, wasn't this supposed to be released three years ago? And where's all the good features, like Nomad and WinFS?"
vista (vs't) pronunciation
... "distant" ...
n.
1. A distant view or prospect, especially one seen through an opening, as between rows of buildings or trees.
Hmm
"Cats like plain crisps"
Did't we know this months ago?
If this is actually the case, I think Microsoft deserves what's coming to them. The only reason they still have so much market share is because of inertia, but if they can't actually ship a product (even at the already delayed date) they deserve the mass defections that hopefully will be coming. They've dropped a ton of features, they can't ship on time, even Joe six pack will at some point realize that this isn't the company that should be in control of his computer. Like it or not, people aren't going to switch to Linux or OSS because it might be better or because open source is a better sofware development model. They're going to switch because they're having a problem. Nobody's going to go out of their way to fix a problem they don't have. Luckily for us, MS is doing a great job creating those problems.
I've always pictured the color of OS zealotry as a sort of bright flamingo pinkish hue
Microsoft has announced that their next-gen OS, formerly known as Vista, will be renamed "Vista Forever". Steve Ballmer was unavailable for comment.
At this point - who really cares if Vista is ever released?
...not.
The Gartner group are just a tad (to say the least) biased against Micro$oft.
They're not as patently biased as some of the companies used by M$ in older 'we are better than Linux for reason (n)' were, but they're not far off.
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Hey, better late than never! Although in this case, I think I'd prefer never.
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A PC without Windows is like chocolate cake without mustard.
"Microsoft still wants to get it out as soon as possible
Amazing insight. Worth every penny spend on the report
Help fight continental drift.
I'm thinking this "Gartner Group" might be citing sources who wear black turtlenecks or are too busy recompiling their kernels to accurately fact check.
*The most erroneous stories are those we think we know best - and therefore never scrutinize or question.*
It's like announcing that a herd of turtles is reaching the finish line. It's big, it's bulky and everyone knows it's coming. The question is anyone will give a hare's tail once it finally arrives - or will the rabbit (or penguin) finally win the race?
Proof by very large bribes. QED.
For everyone here that is dogging Vista, you sure are pissed when it gets delayed even more. I would figure that you would be loving the fact that Microsoft is pushing it farther and farther back. It sure seems like you guys can't wait for it to be here. I say when it gets here, it gets here.
Click Click Bloody Click PANCAKES!
than ridiculously full of bugs. If they rush a product that isn't ready it would generate even worse publicity than constantly delaying it. It's done when it's done (tm). Inevitably (for those of you who don't like MS), it's still going to have a heaping pile of flaws, but hopefully not as many. No one wants another Windows ME.
...clearly you aren't familiar with their history of being a pain in the ass. As soon as Leopard comes out, I'm going Mac.
It's a girl!
Fair enough, but who realistically thinks Microsoft is going to meet these November/January dates?
Even if the report is biased, I would say an additional three month delay on Vista would be a reasonable assumption.
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"It's not THAT late."
"Still better than Linux"
"It's only because MS is so far ahead already; they feel no need to rush their product out the door."
"This time they'll get the security issues right."
"Damned if they do, damned if they don't. You Linux advocates complain no matter what; admit that this way they'll avoid the bugs!"
"It's Windows! It's the biggest project anywhere! 3 million lines of code! And it's Vista, the biggest upgrade yet! What's a few months between friends? Vista is WAY bigger than any Linux distribution!"
"Microsoft has to be enterprise ready. Linux is for dweebs and nerds. Of course Windows has a longer release cycle; that's 'cause its better"
"It's not fair; if MS didn't have to deal with all these vindictive, nerdy hackers, Windows wouldn't take so long to develop. Imagine if Apple or Linux had to deal with these black hat hackers."
"We're MS. The Volume Goes to 11 Here."
Did I miss any?
WhiteWolf666 an exBush supporter. All you new-school,compassionate,save the children Republicans can rot in hell
...perhaps Micro$ofts goose will finally get good and cooked like they have deserved for so long.
Tired of all the isms, don't exploit people as an employer, or a government, mmmmK?
Employed many times by MS: viz. "Don't switch to FOSS/Mac/Whatev because there's a big great new system coming out any day/month/decade now"
My turnips listen for the soft cry of your love
No, really, who cares? Are there people clamoring to get their hands on this new OS ASAP (WTF BBQ) and who will be extremely put out if it is not available until later on in the future? My question for these people is: what will this new OS do for you that isn't true right now?
And as a side note, I am really bloody tired of reading stories about things that "analysts" think. "Joe Analyst issues a note to Judy Analyst, under the table, in the back of the classroom. Investors giggled to themselves and rubbed their index fingers together..."
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They weren't when they published Microsoft's anti-Linux FUD. Maybe they've burned that bridge in the mean time. I don't know; I've tuned them out since then.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
Vista Screenshot
It is pretty obvious it will be delayed again. The last delay was pretty clever: it moved the release date into another year. Whil the excuse of it really being ready in december 2005 but not in stores yet made it sound less bad. People having "2007" in their heads for release of Vista gives Microsoft room to delay it "just a few more months" and then some more ;-)
These guys should take a page from the Duke Nukem people and redesign their website to feature a picture of Bill Gates holding a gun at the camera and snarling "When It's done Bitch!"
The days of the digital watch are numbered.
The headline is kinda sensationalist...Gartner is projecting that MS won't ship Vista based on the released data of beta2...pure speculation on thier part based on how Win2k's cyle worked...
sorry, but nothing to see here...
Is there anyone left who does not think that Windows Vista is a big long drawn out trainwreck. A project that has to be delayed over and over and over and over. Compare this to the development of the OS they copy. Apple has shipped product over and over.
If you can't manage to ship one of the two products you make all your money on, what does that say about the management of Microsoft?
This is gartner reporting; This is the same group that in 1999 reported that Linux/OSS would penetrate into the server market at most 1% and into the web server market at only 5% by 2004 (5 years). Sadly, Linux was already beating those numbers at that time.
Generally, Gartner ( and IDC and a few others ) are some of the worse are guessing what the future holds. In fact, I would suggest that their incompetence is so bad, that I would guess that they get at most 25% correct; which means, that most companies would be better off betting against them.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Ha-ha!
You don't have to be smart to use a Mac, you just have to be smart enough to buy one
Personally I don't understand why anyone would even consider touching this before its been out for at least a few months if not a year. It's quite apparent they are trying to rush this thing out the door. I'll be highly surprised if it isn't one huge bug infested mess. I certainly wouldn't want to depend on it for anything.
Microsoft announced, in a (very) recent press release, some of the exciting technlologies in Windows Vista. Apparently, the aging NT kernel has been scrapped, and the new Windows kernel will use a combination of the GNU/Hurd and the L4 microkernel to power its next-gen operating system. While desktop users might not care about what is under the hood, they will be amazed at the next-gen Windows desktop, which uses the E17 shell. Gamers of the world will rejoice, because Microsoft has replaced the venerable MS Solitaire card game with Duke Nukem: Forever. In a possible attempt to squash threats from the World Wide Web (again), Microsoft has leveraged Udanax infrastructure to provide 'transclusion' technologies. This will surely be the greatest Windows Operating System ever, if not the greatest Operating System ever!
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For a mass-market product such as Vista, three months is probably the time it takes to print the CD-s and move the enormous quantity of product boxes/packages to mom&pops computer stores everywhere. So, have they started printing CD-s just now?
-- Sig down
of Duke Nukem Forever???
...or 8 hard to say yet.
....... the first thing i do with XP is turn off all the BS and try to make it as much like 2k as possible anyway.
oh wait, I guess not
it's shaping up more to be like windows ME 2007
I can hardly wait to be DRM'd to death by this new OS.....no really..... actually i'm very sad that all the corp win2k users haven't been able to presuade m$ to bring more of the security enhancements from XP SP2 and IE7..etc to 2k...
Give my choice i'd rather just run 2k
actually I am happy to see you, however that is in fact a banana in my pocket.
The Gartner group are just a tad (to say the least) biased against Micro$oft.
Since when? Can you cite any evidence?
I know I won't.
Theory is often inaccurate(TM)
And in other news, Duke Nukem Forever pushes back the release of their Vista version by another year due to these concerns.
This is my sig. There are many like it but this one is mine.
It's easy to manage any number of these kinds of projects at the same time.
Blah, blah, blah...in other news we have the same stories with different names and countries regarding bloodshed, human rights violations, corruption and many others we've seen for the last three millenia. Microsoft's delays along with the rest of these stories should NOT be shocking to anybody anymore...
I'm a bit of a Microsoft fanboy but personally I think they should just give up on Vista. It's a trainwreck of a project and I can see another Windows ME in the making. I can't see many compelling reasons to deploy this in an existing environment. It's (for the most part) just a Windows XP clone with a few new features with a pretty UI and steep hardware requirements.
Microsoft should take all the half decent features out of Vista, back port them to Windows XP and call it Windows XP Service Pack 3 or Windows XP R2 then site down and have a good long think before they try this again.
It's about time Microsoft seriously thought about re-architecting their operating system from the ground up. If we can get Windows applications running under Linux with WINE, then surely Microsoft can get Windows applications running under some new operating system thus satisfying the backwards compatibility requirements. There are far too many issues with Windows appearing that are grounded in its architecture such as reduced privileges which is difficult to make work because Windows is not truly multi-user etc. etc. etc.
Give it up, start again and do it properly.
They say the mind is the first thing to
Am I the only one that remembers that "Longhorn" was supposed to follow XP about three years? I went a Googling and found plenty of chatter back in 2002 about how pissy customers would be if their new, expensive Software Assurance didn't include an upgrade to the new OS within three years. One of Microsoft's VPs even suggested MS would "do something" if the date slipped that far. It seems that the reporters don't remember anything preceding the original, official release date of 2005.
OK, first of all, this is Gartner, not MS making the claims. From the article:
said the new Windows Vista operating system is too complex to be able to meet Microsoft's targeted November release... [emphasis added]
Yes, this is the same Gartner that said that Linux was too complex to have been written by Linus Torvalds...
But, it gets better:
Once production starts, it usually takes between six- to eight-weeks for PC manufacturers to load the operating system onto new computers, Gartner said.Six weeks! - and I thought I had a slow hard drive when it took two hours to install Linux.
Perhaps that should have been "six to eight weeks to begin shipping..."?
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What is this, a game console? What does Microsoft care if it slips for the Holiday season?
All sorts of juicy Software Assurance Program subscriptions expire this year. Years ago, Microsoft managed to sucker companies into paying a large lump sum for all the Windows updates over the next six years - including Vista!
If companies get nothing at all for the duration of the contract, I think you'll see a lot of lawsuits and I know you'll see a lot of dropped "assurance" subscriptions.
Microsoft is delivering vista to companies even if it has to come in a box with crayon on the disc in place of a label.
Now you also know why the consumer release is later, because this release is just to meet obligations and in no way will be ready for primetime for you or I.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
"We regret that someone was able to sneak viral code into Vista while it was in the lab and not connected to the outside world. Please bear with us while we figure out how to patch the patch that unpatched the vulnerability that we carried over from the previous version of Windows XP. Even though we rewrote the code entirely from scratch, we had to use legacy modules in order to meet deadlines. Now that those deadlines are moot, we will be rewriting it the way it should have been done to begin with, all the while, this virus is spawning sporadic BMPs of fecal matter on the desktop. We have a committee investigating whether or not we can use this as the new Windows Vista Mascot and charge extra for it."
And a lot of Slashdotters care, because a lot of us work for software companies whose products have to run on Vista.
Microsoft has announced that they will delay Windows Vista for another year. When asked to comment, the company's spokesperson replied, "It will be finished when it's FINISHED!"
Sorry, sorry.
"Words of wisdom: drop that zero and get with the hero" -- Vanilla Ice
With all the previous releases, everyone whined when it seemed to be pre-released as a beta full of bugs and security holes. But now when they are working them all out, we're whining again. Which is it??? We can't have it both ways!
King of kings and Lord of lords
1. A Vista release in 2007
2. Microsoft make back what they've lost on Vista. (Including the user loyalty they're losing each time Vista is further delayed)
3. Ballmer screaming "SHIPPING! SHIPPING! SHIPPING! I LOVE SHIPPING PRODUCTS!" at a Microsoft event.
4. Bill Gates publicly admit that Steve Jobs finally won.
Nitewing '98
Everything works...in theory.
[50% Sarcasm]
:( Wonder if MS's attention is elsewhere these days?
Wow, this seems like the best option yet. Avoid the endless cycle of security patches, vulnerabilities, and customer complaints by simply not releasing it. Delay until all of the malware and virii writers out there get bored and move onto another platform!
It's brilliant!
[/50% Sarcasm]
Seriously, this is starting to sound like one of those internal departmental projects that is suffering from feature creep and such.
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Windows 95 brought TCP/IP and a web browser. Windows 98 brought USB and FAT32. Windows 2K/XP brought multi-user and NTFS. Quick, in 30 seconds or less, what is Vista is going to have that's interesting? I predict it will a draconian DRM thingy to go with some product activation scheme even more onerous that WinXP. Yeah, that's got me excited...not.
Buy a MacTel box. Run OS X now. Run Vista later... (much later...)
It could be that they wait for the outcome of what the European court will say. It is said that it could take up to a year before a decision is made.
Having then an OS out that goes against those rules might not be a wise choice. Prosponing it a bit might give them enough space to follow the law.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Not to mention that this is the same Gartner that always recommend holding off the adoption of the latest software when it's about to come out. Duh! Anyone works in IT can tell you about this. And this time, their claim about Vista being delayed again seems to be based on, welling, pretty much nothing; in other word, a wild guess. You have to wonder how their so called analyst earned their trade. I pity those that listen to Gartner instead of their local IT people.
Windows 97 was released in June 1998, so they had to rename it Windows 98.
In reponse to this news, Apple stock was up 3% today.
This is a dangerous game Microsoft's playing.
-- If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done? - Uli's moose
Wait wait wait!
You mean that you think, that no matter how early or late Vista Forever is released from now, it wont be filled with more bugs than Courtney Love's crotch???
LOL
That's great, lol, haven't laughed that hard in weeks, lol.
Yeah, well, it ... it ...
IT HAS A 3D USER INTERFACE!!!1!1!!!1111
Whew. 28 seconds.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I get flashbacks of WinME. A product that's by far not ready, pushed out the door because "we can't delay it any longer". They scrapped a LOT of work recently, and try to redo it all over. Now, I dunno how it works for MS, but when WE scrap a sizable portion of the existing code, it takes LONG to catch up. VERY LONG.
What comes trailing with scrapped code is mismatching interfaces. Code changes interfaces. So interfaces get redesigned. Thus other code has to be changed. Now, as everyone knows, code that changes is by definition not as "clean" as shiny new code. And there's no time to redo those parts as well.
So what we have now is a product that's redone in parts, with no time left to do it. This is not looking good. Not at all.
MS will most likely try to ship it as soon as it is more or less stable and live with another ME desaster. It's going to be brushed away with excuses for new code, new and shiny user interfaces and all the other features (erh... no jokes here, please. It's all under the hood, of course, and you don't see how much really changed). We'll get to see many, many patches that make the bugs bearable and even more that plug the new and shiny security holes.
And still everyone will buy it. Because it will be impossible to run any new software on older systems, after all, system vendors will enjoy the new and shiny DRM.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Stop hurting their share price you fucks!
Give me good ratings or I will close down the internet.
Uh, excuse me? You make it sound like XP's the perfect OS or something.
.NET framework - which is perhaps the thing that's slowed it's adoption on the desktop the most (like Java, must download a "huge" package first). Stupid.
There is still LOTS of room for improvement, and not just things like hardware accelerated desktop (although when it's in OS X or XGL then it's wicked cool and a must-have; but in Vista then it's uselesss? And OMG PONIES it won't run on a PC/XT anymore?), and the nice programmer-oriented things they're putting in there (like workflow frameworks and what not).
There are still TONS of things left to fix or to improve... Things like:
-Everybody running as an admin for everything... (mainly because 3rd party apps that need permissions in places they shouldn't and such)
-Input devices. I'm so angry over this one, you have no idea. Why can't pointing devices be switched (left/right hander) per device or per user? (I have 2 mice on the kids' PC - one on each side of the keyboard). Right now you can only make them both a "normal", or both a "reversed" mouse. The only option I had was to physically invert the microswitches inside one of them! Same story about keyboard codepages/layouts... I don't use the same codepage as they do (they need accents for homework, I want EN-US and nothing else)...
-The dreaded mixer thing I've hated for years (that they're finally fixing). You play something in one app, it'll modify it's own volume, while another will change the "wave" volume, and another will mess with the master volume. I'm always re-opening the thing to raise the master that's way down... Annoying!
-Not including their own runtimes/DLLs/frameworks necessary to run software developped with their own dev tools for their own platform... Remember the old "need VBRUN300.DLL" errors you were getting in the WfW days? Right, to this day, they still don't include VB runtimes in windows, nor several other common DLLs. Same story about the
I mean, one could make a one thousand pages long list of things to fix and improve... I like to believe the next versions of windows will be far better, I'm already looking forward to some of the improvements.
Yeah, I had a slight mixup in my large cats. I meant Tiger, 10.4 ...
Must have been engaging in a bit of nostalgia there.
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
If apple had any balls, they could release OSX for all AMD and Intel PCs and put the big hurt on Windows.
This is the moment to strike. This is the only time they could possibly take over the PC world...
Apple seems to have no problem writing a complex OS. They have a GPU accelerated UI, they even ported it to intel cpus...
Apple seems to have very little trouble while microsoft would appear to be incapable of writing an operating system.
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a good operating system should take it's time. lucky for you they will bring new features like a totally awesome new GUI. and automatic fsck and defragmentation tools :)
This is the development cycle that doesn't end
Yes it goes on and on my friend
Some people starting [Ballmer splice-in] DEVELOPING! [/Ballmer] not knowing what it was
But they'll continue [Ballmer] DEVELOPING! [/Ballmer] forever just because...
My question for these people is: what will this new OS do for you that isn't true right now?
Apply this question to any OS release, be it from Microsoft, Linux, Apple, or someone else. Generally there are things that people come to expect in the new release. Sometimes it's better security. Sometimes it's better stability. Sometimes it's improved networking, better utilization of CPU resources, or something else.
For a long time now, Microsoft has been billing Vista as The Next Big Thing. As they promised in their March 21 road map update, "Windows Vista will deliver great value to businesses by seamlessly connecting people to information, enabling increased mobile and remote productivity, significantly reducing deployment and support costs, and providing a more secure and compliant desktop platform. For consumers, Windows Vista will bring clarity to the world of personal computing, enabling people to more safely and easily accomplish everyday tasks, instantly find what they want, enjoy the latest in entertainment, and stay connected at home or on the go."
Microsoft's credibility has been sliding for years now. Regular everyday people are starting to realize that Microsoft isn't the only game in town. Apple is coming on strong and getting increasingly aggressive in its marketing of the Mac. The Linux user base continues to grow.
Microsoft advocates used to be able to claim that no matter what the technical limitations of the company's products, it was always run very well. Products shipped on time. You could usually figure that even if it was mediocre now, whatever Microsoft product you were using would probably be better in a year, and markedly improved in two or three years. That's certainly not the case now, and continued inability to deliver makes Microsoft a less reliable vendor.
If you always figured Vista wouldn't amount to much, the delay obviously won't matter to you personally. You could probably measure the slide in Microsoft's influence by the increase in lack of concern over Vista delays.
As for analysts, it sure would be great to get paid to engage in the same sort of random speculation we all do on Slashdot anyway. Hell, for reliable predictions about the technology market, I'd pick any ten Slashdot readers over any ten analysts any day.
Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
In Soviet Russia, Vista delays YOU.
and counting.
The projected release of Fedora 6 is six months, (citation).
By the time they release Vista, Fedora 7 will be almost out, and given all the exiting features listed here, many of which are already implemented in Fedora 5, along with the cost of Vista, 2007 might truly be the year of the Linux desktop.
But thats just my 2c
all I can say is Good news!!
"Windows Vista, slowly slipping over the horizon..."
putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
which it clearly didn't "invent."
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A patent for which Microsoft applied on March 6, 1997, has been granted: "Discoverability and navigation of hyperlinks via tabs." In other words, when a computer user uses the Tab key to move the focus from one hyperlink to another on a webpage opened in a browser, the use of that function is now owned by Microsoft. The Tab patent, number 6,785,865, was granted on August 31st, just one among multiple patents granted to the software giant on that day. Another interesting grant is number 6,784,354, with an application date of March 13, 2003: "Generating a music snippet." Yes, you read that right. Now dividing a music stream into portions is Microsoft's domain."
http://www.activewin.com/awin/comments.asp?Thread
Or how about this:
"Microsoft and invention
We've been inspired by the comment that Microsoft's anti-spyware software is "the best product they've ever invented". Unfortunately, Microsoft didn't invent their anti-spyware product. They bought it. Just like most of their best products. And those they didn't buy, they copied. Well, possibly not all of them. But when we put our mind to it, we couldn't think of any of their "best products" that hadn't been either bought or copied.
There have to be some, surely. Put your thinking caps on. What has Microsoft actually invented?"
http://www.bleedingedge.com.au/blog/archives/2005
And this about some patent piracy with Micro$oft claiming to own something it didn't:
"Microsoft Was Found To Be A Patent Pirate
"The user experience is far from ideal but Microsoft has no choice as a result of the defeat it was handed in a patent infringement suit that was filed against the company by Eolas."
Is the above statement true? Microsoft does have a choice. They could have licensed the technology years ago but chose to steal instead. Now they have an inferior product.
Last week Microsoft and Research in Motion (RIM) were whining at a hearing they had bought with money they made on others inventions to members of congress about patent trolls. A patent troll is someone who owns rights to an invention and kicks the crap out of patent pirates who dare to steal.
Microsoft is infamous for having a huge appetite for other's technological property. Eolas is a good example of this. Mike Doyle produced a real invention and has been subjected to years abuse at the hands of a patent pirate.
Microsoft whines about forty or so pending litigations. Most of those inventor's cases probably have considerable merit and that is why Microsoft and other patent pirates are desperate to reform (or is it deform) the patent system into one where they can avoid the consequences of pirating others inventions.
Society functions because of the rule of law. Microsoft has been found to be a patent pirate and in the process they were caught committing fraud on the court. In fact RIM was also caught committing fraud. Gateway was caught destroying evidence. There is an epidemic of technology companies lying, cheating, and stealing others property. They abuse the process of law to bankrupt and brutalize inventors and compound the sin with public relations campaigns which try to paint their victims as the bad players."
http://www.zdnet.com/5208-10532-0.html?forumID=1&
I am the winner, do I get a prize?
Tired of all the isms, don't exploit people as an employer, or a government, mmmmK?
"Yes, this is the same Gartner that said that Linux was too complex to have been written by Linus Torvalds..."
You'll find that Gartner said no such thing. Ever.
You're confusing perhaps Rob Enderel or Larua Diddler?
* All the links to MSN are being removed. Probably for business or regulatory reasons. No links means you're (in theory) not pushing MSN, and you're being Web Homepage neutral. Or, it could be they're giving up on MSN? That would be very hard to believe.
* Unix tools are now optional? Considering the growth of Linux, this is surprising since more and more businesses actually are using these tools (especially "rsh" and "ssh". You'd think they'd want more compatibility than less. Wonder if "optional installation" means that you have to select it when you install it, or whether you have to pay for it. My take: Dell will probably include them anyway since so many people need them.
* FrontPage is a major component for many web pages and is a major feature for ISPs. How will this affect all those FrontPage webpages? Will FrontPage still be an optional component in the Server version? If not, how will this affect the ISPs?
* Lack of email support for HTTP via WebDAV: Is this a security concern? How will this affect people? Do a lot of Webmails still do this?
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Cringely has a whole theory that Apple (using MS own source code) will include the Windows XP API in their next release of OS X. (See http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20060420
I find it hard to believe that Apple would actually be able to do this. However, people I know who work in these places tell me that Apple actually does have licensing rights to the Windows 2000 API (and therefore to most of Windows XP API). Rumors have it that MS gave Apple the licensing rights in exchange for the licensing rights for Mac OS 9 and the NeXTstep code. If that's true, Steve certainly got Bill to drink quite a bit of Koolaid.
get a job and leave the house. nobody cares.
wait for a couple of days and they will announce a change in product name:
wiista
Live your life each day as if it was your last.
Uncyclopedia scoops everyone yet again. They have the truth on Windows Vista. Released on an odd year in the future sometime. 2007, 2009, 2011, who knows? More details if you click the link to the Uncyclopedia article on Windows Vista.
Remember, Slashdot does not have a -1 disagree moderation, and no, troll, flamebait, and overrated are not substitutes.
you didn't claim to invent dumbass. Ever heard of prior art? So yes they claimed to invent tabbing between hyperlinks which is clearly bullshit. So yes I win.
The broken patent system is a whole other ball of wax lets deal with broken windows first as that's the subject of this thread.
Tired of all the isms, don't exploit people as an employer, or a government, mmmmK?
In this case: A wide view of many things far far away.
Seriously, I'd like Microsoft more if they just shut up about what they were "going" to do, and would just DO it. If I was MS, I'd write, test, debug, test and debug some more, and have a fully operational OS before I even announced what i had. Kind of like Apple, when Steve Jobs walks out with a new toy: It's a real product and it works well enough to show off its cool features. Only then would I open a beta to public parties and tell them to hack at it for a while. Once the bugs that the coders missed are caught (like referenced here: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/02/ 2216235) then I would begin selling it. Also if I was MS...I'd have a bigger house. Seriously.
/. look like Richard Stallman. (You know, he's the type of fanatic who converts his mp3's into .wmv files "so they play better on a Windows machine...") He told me that he heard there was another delay announced, etc. and that it was because they were "making Windows better." While I can't argue with that logic, I asked him why he was so against trying Linux. His answer was that "it's open source". When I asked him what was wrong with that, he told me that open source meant that anyone could rewrite the code in the OS files on his machine!
I first caught wind of Longhorn in early 2004, and I'm by no means on the cutting edge of tech news. We (meaning average Joe Shmoe's) thought "Ooh, a new Windows OS...XP was such a great step from ME, maybe this Longhorn will be even better!!" At that time XP was still fairly recent, I upgraded to XP in 2001. I had no choice...I was running Windows ME and I needed something better. Like most folks in my shoes at that time, Linux wasn't an option. 5 years ago, the GUI options for a Linux noob/Windows user weren't very appealing. Plus I thought chmod was something you did to mod your ch...whatever that was... Flash forward 5 years: Longhorn is now Vista, but its still vaporware for the mass market. Linux is making HUGE strides in user interfaces for the desktop. My girlfriend, who is rather computer illiterate, runs Ubuntu or Damn Small Linux depending on the machine.
I had an interesting discussion tonight with a co-worker of mine who makes all the MS fanboys on
*sigh*
I don't know if he's just that dumb...or if there is some MS propaganda going around regarding OSS. Neither would surprise me much.
khasim (12/9/06): In a blind taste test, more people preferred Coke over the Pepsi that I had previously pissed in.
The sad thing is that delaying Vista forever wouldn't affect them. They will still have over 90 percent of the users. Computers are still being sold, OEM's will still be buying XP and Office 2003 is still being sold in that arena. So why should MS even care? Yeah it would give MS some press and a splurge of people buying the OS or Office 2003. But it's not going to be as big of a deal as xp or even 95 was. Xp is good enough and spending however much money on a new os that offers little if anything really worth the upgrade. A new 3d interface that you must have recent hardware to even get, the fact the new interface has gotten very mediocre reviews at best. I guess the world just needs something new right?
I want spam! cranbers@gmail.com
The new Microsoft Windows Vista Operating system is so complex that it took a team of monkeys 3 days to boot it up.
No, seriously. I'm testing it and it simply doesn't work very well for me. Not on my reasonable high-end system with reasonably standard components. It's unstable, lacks many drivers and hangs quite frequently. The system keeps prompting me for drivers for 'unknown devices' with no obvious way to turn it off. The GUI has so many changes that it's essentially a steep learning curve. Nothing is simple anymore.
The UAP 'feature' is very annoying, and dialogs fall all over eachother trying to warn you for yet another dangerous action that some piece of software is attempting to run.
My opinion: Back to the drawing board.
(System: Antec case, Asus A8N-SLI Premium, AMD64X2 3800+, 2GB Kingston RAM, ATI Radeon X800XL 256MB, 2x Maxtor 250GB SATA RAID-1, Maxtor 80GB PATA)
To Terminate, or not to Terminate, that's the question - SCSIROB
In holland the company is Rocadde or whatever their name is now. They make MS look competent. My first job in IT was porting and old database to a new database build by them. It was a system for a temp agency and they hadn't put an index on the social security number of temps. 2.5 yrs of development and nobody had tested the system with more then 2-3 records in the database. Worse when I started pumping in the old data it was my fault that the system crawled to a halt (inserts of new records taking hours).
Yet this company gets the contract time and time again. Why?
Because nobody has ever been fired for buying "XXXXXX".
Now you need to know the whole reason behind it.
I am your senior manager. You hired company X for a project because I hired company X for a project (that went over time and budget). Your project goes over time and budget. Can I fire you?
Answer: No. If I fire you for hiring company X then the question should arise why I haven't been fired for doing the same especially since I already knew that my senior had hired them and gone over time and budget.
You can't be fired for making the same mistakes as your superiors.
Either that or people are just stupid. Or corrupt. Or both.
Will MS get away with it again and again? Only as long as there are stupid people. Last check suggests there are about 6 billion of them.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Three years late - half the features.
That'd make a great slogan for the marketing campaign, wouldn't it? Too bad advertising doesn't have to be truthful.
Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
because the press release to admit the delay is also delayed.
when i buy a pc it has a usage life of 3 years
o gogogoch
vista is 3 years overdue
also makes it 3 years out of date
ms should just put it in the bin and give us the next version
ho thay have not even started writing it yet even though
well
95 1995
98 1998
me 2000
xp 2002
vista well an extra 3 letters so estimate 2007
and may be late
just hope they don't call the next version after a small village called
llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysili
or it will take them till 2064 to manage that one
Microsoft cannot afford delaying vista anymore. It is bad for bussiness to do so.
-Seeing the problem is ½ of solution-
Have a ball.
So I can graduate!
Otherwise I won't be able to get my unversity's M$ discount.
Good Luck finding 512 MB RD RAM for $40. Not all PCs were on PC-100. For that matter, good luck finding 512 MB of PC 100 for $40
Slashdot really is more entertaining when you give the Trolls a +6 modifier. I'm happily reading along at +3, reading insightful(debatable) and funny(debatable) comments, when I happen along FUCKIGN WHORE! It makes me laugh.
(Mod me into oblivion. I deserve it.)
Ha, I'm going to enjoy Vista when it comes out. I'll just open the web browser. Hmm Not Compatible. Well, I'll listen to some music. Odd, it says Windows Media Player was removed. Oh well, I'll install Winamp, which will subsequently fail to work. Hmm, my fancy 3d desktop doesn't actually do much, and oh! it's crashed. Although I think Microsoft will push it through again, I'm switching to Mac.
Feb 2007 expected !
Some of us remember those days when WinME came out for the first time. "Ooh, a new OS that will fix Win98SE flaws. A bridge between Win2K and Win98SE! Our old & new games will work on the same system! Our old & new software will work as well. Hardware, new & old, will behave and be detected. Microsoft has made the perfect OS!" WRONG!!! Many of us scrapped WinME as fast as we possibly could after immense time and frustrations were spent. We went back to Win98SE and never changed until Microsoft brought on WinXP which in fact made things better with us. But the question stands, "Will Vista be like WinME?" If they need more time to work on it, by all means, take your time! I DO NOT want history to repeat itself! Will we be willing to let go of WinXP which has taken the place of Win98SE? (In some places Win98SE is still in full throttle.) But Vista, what will Vista offer that WinXP needs improvement on? What new features will Vista have that WinXP does not have?
"To err is human, doing it again is downright stupidity!"
Next thing you know, Microsoft will claim to have invented the Internet, when we all know Al Gore did it. ;)
...won't have that world record very long...
Oh, wait, you mean we're not holding our breath for a March 2007 release... Well that clears that up.
What's wrong with just pressing [Alt]+[Print Screen] to copy the active window to the clipboard? Or maybe you like doing things the hard way...
Perhaps Microsoft should just use "cron" to facilitate the release of these Vista delay announcements...
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
To be clear about this, SMB 2.0 is only used when it determines that the machine on the other end supports this new, more efficient, version of the protocol. The original SMB is still used when communicating with all previous versions of Windows, as well as Samba. It says so right in the article. Furthermore, I know it works because I myself have had no trouble at all connecting the latest Vista beta to my Linux-based Samba server. Look, we all know the SMB protocol basically sucks and is inefficient; an upgrade which fixes its most common problems has been long overdue, and Microsoft is the only company in a position to make it happen. What we should be hoping for at this point is that theose EU lawsuits will result in full documentation of the SMB 2.0 protocol being produced by Microsoft so that Tridge & co. can implement it quickly. If that happens, great, if not, we still have SMB 1.0.
As for Services for Macintosh... is it really needed these days, considering that OS X's Windows networking support (built on Samba) is pretty good? Probably the biggest loss is that Vista won't be able to directly mount AFP-only machines like Mac OS 9, but there are Samba implementations available for OS 9 anyhow... SFM is pretty horrific anyhow -- they never really got it right. What do you trust more: that Microsoft will get an implementation of Mac networking right? Or that Apple (who rides on Trige & co.'s coattails) will get an implementation of Windows networking right? Personally, I opt for the latter.
Windows Vista: The DNF Edition!