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PunkOfLinux writes "My parents are running a pirated copy of windows that my mom received from a teacher at school. My parents want to go legit, and buy a copy of Windows, but they are afraid of deleting everything and having to reinstall all their programs. Seeing as I know you guys will have an answer, I'm going to ask you: What would you do in this situation?"
I would post as anonymous coward...
Call their help support line and you can buy a copy from them. They will tell you how to replace the cd-key, if they can't you can download a cd-key changer from the internet.
You can change your product key.
09F91102 no, 455FE104 nope, F190A1E8 uh-uh, 7A5F8A09 that's not it, C87294CE no. Ah! 452F6E403CDF10714E41DFAA257D313F.
and just use this tool
3 b60-bff1-4f03-b06f-d3cbe8f8d9f4/KeyUpdateTool.exe
http://download.microsoft.com/download/e/9/c/e9c7
enter in your new key, reboot and you are legit
We'll handle it from here, crimin.., I mean Sir. Just call us. Nothing to worry about.
Seriously, though, I would think one big problem is that to to get legal you're Windows install is going to have to send a new registration message off to Microsoft. Not sure how you do that without a reinstall.
Maybe if they're on XP Home, buy them an OEM version of XP Pro?
Once they own the license, what does MS care where the original came from? Don't install the Genuine Advantage malware though!
TweakXP should do that for ya. Buy a new copy and key the serial number you get over the old one. Unless, of course, your parents have a volume license copy right now, and they buy a home version. Then you have to do a repair install.
http://www.tweakxp.com/tweakutility/
tinfoilmedia
Are they losing sleep at night feeling like they're taking food out of the mouths of those in Redmond? Do they think their system will run better? Perhaps they feel it's a sin because technically it's stealing? My advice... don't even bother with it. Buy Vista if and when it's released or wait until you get a new computer.
From a *trusted* on-line vendor. XP home will go for ~80-90 USD, Pro ~140. http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductList.jsp?Thir dCategoryCode=071002 for example. You see it offered for much less, odds are it is a "student" version or "replacement media". OEM it typically what system builders use, so if you use that version in theory it is tied to that system. The $300 retail version can be moved from system to system, but costs a boatload more.
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Yes, it's easy to google for it, provided you already know that the solution relies in a key changer.
Over-under on the number of "install Linux over it" posts: 36.
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Perhaps he did not know what search criteria to use.
IF your folks are worried about a reinstall, they're NOT ready to survive a catastropic harddrive crash.
Much less full reload to clear an infection.
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Not true! You've got the OEM installer that can ONLY wipe out anything pre-existing, and the much more expensive RETAIL installer, which is also capable of upgrading an existing instllation. I learned this the hard way. Everyone in town had an OEM copy of XP home, for about 110 euros a licence. But only 1 or 2 had a RETAIL version, and the price was about 290 euros, which I begrudgingly paid to satisfy a client urgent requirement's, (and then became a more vocal Debian & SuSE advocate). From a business model perspective, what brilliance in making the OEM widely available at such low-cost, while not making it terribly obvious as the this hidden (or not obvious) upgrade 'feature' of RETAIL.
You can't be ahead of the curve, if you're stuck in a loop.
If the dealers are selling the OEM version without any hardware, this would still be an illegal copy. The OEM pricing is set to be lower for computer makers, and is not to be sold without hardware.
However the 290euros is also a bit high. You should be able to buy a 'upgrade' version instead of a 'full' version. They are the same, but one requires the machine to have had a version of Windows installed on it before or the CD to prove you own it. (There are two types of 'retail' versions in other words, and most people only need the upgrade version which is about the same price as the OEM version give or take 10-15 Euro.)
Stay way from people selling OEM copies of any company's software unless they are also keeping to the licensing rules and selling it with a new computer or qualifying hardware. The Windows OEM license used to allow it to be purchased if the end user was buying a new hard drive etc.
If they are just selling the OEM software, with most companies this is illegal and would not help in getting your copy to be legitimate. This is also why OEM software often requires a clean install and will not 'upgrade' as it is not ever to be sold in a circumstance to upgrade anything.
Just buy the windowsXP and don't install it. It leaves you out of your guilty feeling.
:)
For real, At first I would download a cdkey changer which allows changing the cdkey without reinstalling it. Yes it's piracy software used to broke windows security.
But I'd really recommend waiting for Windows Vista, since it will be about as expensive as Windows XP. And does contain a lot of important security and useability fixes.
Althought, I'd really just love to see how well Linux can survive in your home. Novell has come up with really good distro with SUSE 10, and ubuntu doesn't do that bad job either. Or just try Fedora Core.
Try one of these...
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For all the people saying just buy Windows and change the key - there is a good chance this *wont* work. In principle changing the key does work - the trick is getting a legal key for the version installed.
Your parents probably installed a Corporate copy of XP. This doesn't take the same keys as Home so they can't just walk down to Best Buy and get a key that is going to work.
In fact, there are a number of different key types including:
* XP Home
* XP Home OEM
* XP Pro
* XP Pro OEM
* XP Corporate
(and more)
Assuming your parents installed Corporate, they still need to buy a legal copy of Windows, yes, but they won't be able to pop the key in and go on their merry way. They will need to do what is knows an a "In place install". This isn't the cleanest way to do things but will make sure all their files are left intact (all settings including the entire registry are lost). Boot off the new disk:
The first menu is going to ask you to install, go to the recovery console, or quit. Choose install by hitting enter.
The second menu is a license agreement, hit F8.
The third menu is going to show the existing Windows installation, choose to install on top of it. You will be warned about an existing Windows install there and be given the option of deleting the existing %systemroot% folder and continuing.
Choosing this option will not delete anything on the drive other that what is in the windows folder. All of their files will still be available by navigating to the "Documents and Settings" folder.
I know it is a dirty mess but it is the only way to go from one version of Windows to another while still retaining the contents of the hard drive.
Depends on which OEM... the OEM disks are occasionally quite restrictive, in other cases they are close to the retail version..
Using a program called nlite to redo your disc still solve many problems
I guess that "+5 informative" needs some "-1 overrated" side-salad, huh?
I'm pretty sure the reason it doesn't work is that the version of Windows supplied under the genuine advantage program is different from the version that my customer's nephew installed. I believe it was Windows XP Professional Corporate Edition that was installed, and I'd guess that the CD supplied by Microsoft when she clicked on the "Get Genuine" link was either OEM or retail (it was certainly Windows XP Professional, and was a hologrammed CD).
The way I fixed this was to do a "repair install" of Windows XP. This worked perfectly & retained all the user's settings and documents, although I was pretty nervous about doing it and a number of drivers did require reinstall. Honestly, if you're undertaking this, be prepared to back everything up with a Knoppix CD & a portable hard-drive and to do a format-reinstall if necessary.
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This is about the first sensible comment here. The bigger problem than using the pirated Windows is that apparently they don't have reliable (any?) backups. What are they going to do when the HD suddenly craps out? Once you've prepared for that (i.e., good backups!) your stated problem (fear of reinstalling) becomes moot.
Turn that pirated version in to Microsoft and give them some info on how you obtained it, and they'll get you a legit copy of Windows in return, plus a small nominal charge, of course.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Upgrading XP? Why not just wait for Vista?
See you in a few years.
Yes, this is also true. Thank you for the additional clarification. Still, I was struck by how common, practically unavoidable it was, to buy OEM versions on my local-dealer-research/purchase day (as I described earlier), and how difficult and expensive it was to buy a retail (full) version. And what buying the inexpensive version *really* meant, (i.e. it would wipe any existing installation, and probably cause difficulty in getting it exchanged for a more capable, expensive version later). M$ certainly doesn't put much effort in clarifying the situation for the consumer's, here in Amsterdam, the nation's capitol. It's like M$ assumes (and to a certain extent dictates) that everyone purchases an OEM version aspart of a PC upgrade, acting just like it was a business model or something.
You can't be ahead of the curve, if you're stuck in a loop.
Buy a copy of Windows?
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Keep in mind that the key changing method doesn't always work, I already tried it for the exact same reason.
There appears to be more than one version of Windows XP Pro. There is "Retail" and "OEM". There are situations where keys from one product version doesn't work on others.
For the legitimate key to work you need to make sure that your cracked version of windows will be able to use the new key, orelse you may end up with a useless new version of windows.
I contacted Microsoft's support for an official answer on the issue. They informed me there are in fact three versions of Windows XP Pro and one cannot use keys from one on another.
I actually returned my new legitimate version of windows and keep using the pirated one since I am too bored to format my PC right now...
I'm absolutely amazed. When you already know the answer and derive keywords from the answer you already know, searching for the solution is trivial!
Hum, not in my case. I did install a number of XP Pro OEM discs both "old" and SP2 without wiping anything at all; you don't have to install to C:\WINDOWS - or even to C:\ at all for that matter. It's hardly elegant (you've still got to take ownership of and manually remove/backup all the orphaned user profiles and such) but it won't "wipe out anything pre-existing" either. Nothing will get lost and if you're lucky most apps will still be running fine without reinstallation. Well, it's good enough for me anyway, but I'm not a business.
Now that Windows Update and certain Windows downloads require you to validate your copy of Windows before accessing the services (the Windows Genuine program), people have of course started having troubles with invalid product keys, etc.
To help people sort out their Windows license problems, Microsoft have put online the Windows Genuine Advantage Talkback bulletin board, where Microsoft offers advice for people with license troubles.
An interesting utility that I found mentioned there on the bulletin board is Microsoft Genuine Advantage Diagnostic Tool, that shows lots of information about the license / product key of the current Windows installation.
I tried to update one of my friends' laptop, but it failed the activation check. Apparantly he did not install from the original cd that came with his computer (there is a genuine sticker below the laptop so it does have a legal license), but instead used a "corporate version" he got from another friend.
Windows update offered selling a legimate key for retail price. I guess they do this for non-volume versions too.
So all you have to do is engage windows update, get the check failed and follow the corresponding links to get a legal key for its price.
(PS: I did not buy the key, and he could not find his original cd. So he has a legal license that sits as a sticker below his laptop and an illegal copy of windows which he cannot update properly).
Since he may need to reinstall anyway, might as well put it off until Vista is released and use its beta in the meantime:
p roducts/getthebeta/
http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/downloads/
Google "Magical Jellybean Software" and get that key extractor/changer. Silly name, good results.
"Just because you're eloquent doesn't mean you aren't a fucking crackpot." -Wavebreak
Oh wait, the beta's not available any more. D'oh!
There's one small problem I've run into at my job when we sell customers an XP Home license to get them off of Corp: you can't do a repair installation from Windows XP Pro to Home. That's a problem because most of the customers we deal with want to save money and don't want the Pro license, although the Pro license gives us the option to Repair, and therefore keep their files, settings, etc.
Anyone know of a possible way to get around this, other than having to reinstall Windows XP Home from scratch?
Digg had an article recently about how to perform a windows re-install without loss of information. This may be of use to you.
Aside from being pirate heaven, a legit copy of thai windows xp costs about $3.50.
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...then you will never be trapped by something like this again. Linux or BSD are just as easy to use for most ordinary tasks, and once installed are solid and reliable for ordinary users to access web sites, and to do simple word processing tasks. The majority of users do not need any more, and it is certainly an act of crass stupidity to pay for Windows licenses to do just these things.
... all you have to aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all.
Microsoft will be dropping retail support for XP in December 2007 or January 2008, and corporate support in December 2008
You are dead wrong. Stop spreading the FUD. What I think you meant to say is that you won't be able to buy a copy a year after the release date of Vista. According to Microsoft, mainstream support for Windows XP will end two years after Vista has been generally available. So, we're looking at the end of 2008 or beginning of 2009 at the very least (depending on how bad Vista slips), followed by extended support for quite a few years, 3-5 from looking at the information they have.
Take Windows 98, for example. They've supported that for eight (8) years now. Windows XP will probably not enjoy that level of support, but it still bodes well for the future of that system. Windows XP is in no way "soon to be dead". Especially with the huge amount of government use it gets. The government certainly won't be switching to Vista as fast as it comes out, I'd expect that to take at least one year. Until then, Microsoft can't piss off one of the biggest buyers.
Anyway, I tend to ramble, but I think I've made my point about that.
So why not take a small portion of the money that you'd spend on a soon-to-be-dead WinXP disk, and buy a nice big shiney 250 gig hd ($100) and load ubuntu, suse, or another real OS on it?
Because most users just want ease of use and familiarity. I love gentoo myself, but every Linux install that I've done so far has been tweaky, finicky, and just plain difficult at times. I like to play with it and learn, as it relates to my profession, but most users just don't want to put up with that. Windows, for the majority of users, just plain works.
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from what I understand you are saying -
your parents have a copy of windows they know is pirated, but now want to go legit. they want to do so without having to clear their PC and lose all the settings/etc. they've accumulated over the years with all the installed programs and so forth.
leaving aside whether clearing everything may be a good idea anyway (accumulated cruft, malware etc.) - what do you mean, about not having to reinstall software? are we talking *legit* software? it seems a bit strange to have pirated windows, but legit applications (particularly if the application would have cost a lot more than the windows licence). if the intended path is to get the windows legit, but you've still got heaps of pirated applications, then you've got more problems than you realise you do. unless, of course, it's a calculated gamble that you are more likely to be hit by enforcemeny from MS, than by the various other application vendors.
i think what you need to do is to write down the cost of "properly going legit" - all the applications you want to use, etc., total it up, and decide if you have that kind of money. and then decide if you are prepared to go into a completely free environment - any one of the linux distros.
although it IS "free as in freedom", as a practical matter, free as in beer makes a big difference too, potentially even more. you'd have to go through hassle and pain learning a new setup, and the features may well be worse off etc. for particular applications (GIMP != Photoshop, but seriously, if you can afford the price of photoshop you're not in the common group). but some times that's what it means to go legit. I mean, I look at the price tags of a lot of things that I want, and then I realise, "shit, i'm poor". but, you know, this is how the capitalist system works. and then maybe you can think a bit more about, what does it really mean to have a system where the cost of producing something is X, but the price of it may be X + "arbitrary number determined for profit maximisation", vs what could be determined as a "fair price".
I'd boot to that CD and install it as an upgrade. It will replace all the important files, yet not one thing personal will be changed. You might wonder if it realy did anything. This solution also fixes pain=in=the=ass driver issues too.
Hello muppet.
Why the fuck would you take care to point out acronyms and provide correct capitalization for most products - yet spell "Windows" "'winders"?
Also, what are the "intranetz".
I hate you.
up up down right left right right up enter
Done!
a number of drivers did require reinstall
It's actually alluded to on the page that you linked to, but it bears spelling out explicitly:
The repair install option returns Windows to the state it is in when freshly installed from the CD used
In other words, while you keep all your settings, files, etc, it wipes out any drivers, service packs or other updates that you have installed since installing from the CD. An XP SP1 install CD used to repair an up-to-date XP install is going to wipe out SP2, and a whole host of other updates.
That's why you had to reinstall the drivers - they weren't on the CD so they were nuked.
It's official. Most of you are morons.
"...how to completely rebuild, repair, or refresh an existing XP installation without losing data, and without having to reinstall user software, reformat, or otherwise destructively alter the setup."
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Exactly. I'm 18 and was A+ certified last year at 17. Now I don't claim to be the end-all, be-all of computer knowledge, but I know what the fuck I'm doing. I hate that people generalize us older teens with computer know-how into a category of pretenders that think they know a lot because they can change wallpaper and know a few shortcuts. The true techies don't show off, it's just what we're good at and what we enjoy. Just because we're young doesn't mean we have any less expertise than the recently trained technician at the local shop.
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I'm not sure of the accuracy of what you say, but IIRC you're saying that they have to pay more for the boxed retail.
The thing is, if you really want to be legit, you have to buy retail.
That's what proprietary software is: you don't buy software you buy rights to do certain, carefully spelled out things with the software, which remains the vendor's property.
So, you may think that charging more for a retail license is unfair because the software inquestion is just the same as the OEM liceense, but technically you're wrong. The Retail license gives you more rights, including the right to do exactly what this person is asking. More rights == more value. Paying for less rights than you intend to exercise doesn't make you "legit".
Personally, if the folks are really paranoid about bad things happening due to the upgrade, I'd offer this as the simplest and safest route to legitimacy: buy a new computer, install your apps, transfer your data over, put a fresh battery in the old mobo, make sure it boots, then shut the old computer off and put it some place safe.
The reason is this: if a backup is not safe enough for you, if you aren't confident in your ability to recover the old data, then you'd better avoid mucking with the old computer at all.
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Use sysprep(found on the xp cd in tools/reskit/deploy.cab or just search the cd for deploy.cab)
extract sysprep.exe and run sysprep.exe -reseal.
when the machine reboots you can enter the COA from your legit copy of XP. no fuss, no muss. and your installed apps will still be there.
Punkoflinux you have 2 real options if you want to go all 'legal' with your copy of XP- 1 CHANGE THE KEY. depending on the version of xp, you can only replace a key with that type. Meaning a volume license key can only be used if that was the original, same for xp retail. if retail is the case just purchase a new copy and use a cd key changer to change the key. 2 REINSTALL using the MIGRATION WIZARD. if its not retail, well, you really cant legitimately purchase avlk key so you can reinstall. "The migration wizard is actually pretty cool in the sense that it will take all your 'personal' files and put them into one archive. throw that on a disk and THEN reinstall. note the problem with any system reinstall is that programs are usually orpahned, and you will have to reinstall them as well. question: is this computer a dell?
The only reliable way to reinstall anything is to buy a second HDD, replace the HDD, make a new install, copy your valuable data to the new HDD and put your old HDD into the fireproof armoured container placed in a cool deep place far enough from the Middle East. I had a lot of trouble assuming that "c:\Program Files" contains the program files and no application data, while there was an application holding it's data in Program Files. I was lucky enough to have written beforehand a duly registered report "I need a spare HDD for reinstalls" and to have received the written instruction "You don't need a spare HDD for reinstalls, you only save the files the operator explicitly asks for". It costed operator an additional week to reenter data.
You can always get a wga crack
*disclaimer: I run legit windows*
That is sort of a reflexive answer here on /. but it's definitely something to consider.
Their cheapest course is to buy a new hard drive and install Ubuntu on it (mounting the old Windows drive of course), then buy CrossoverOffice to run their old apps. CrossoverOffice costs $35 -- it's a beefed-up WINE that runs a lot more than naked WINE and has a nice GUI installation procedure. I put "dual" in quotes because they probably won't want to boot into the Windows environment again.
I just had to install a new copy of XP on a recycled box, and frankly the installation procedure is tedious, hard to understand, and slow compared to modern Linuxes. It also doesn't come with practically anything useful -- I had to go get basics like a PDF viewer and a non-Internet Exploder browser.
It really depends upon whether or not it is actually pirated. MS sells site licenses, and at some schools
teachers who work teaching online classes do from time to time get copies for conducting school business.
Apart from that sort of thing, it probably makes sense to go legit. MS does charge waaaay too much for their
software, but they do have a right to be paid. Or you could always try to switch to anything else.
Or a Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB for $79 ($69 after MIR).
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So you want to change the Pirate Edition of Windows XP into a legit edition. School facility giving out pirated copies of Windows XP is a new one on me. Anyway you might have to back up all data files, and then do a reinstall because the pirate version of Windows has modifications in it if it was gotten off of a P2P file sharing network, and possible your copy you bought might not match the one the school faculity gave your parents. I think the repair option to reinstall the OS should do the trick, just save your data files first in case it eats the hard drive and forces you to reformat.
:)
Shiver me timbers, arrrrrrrhhhhh, what have ye got against pirates anyway?
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I love all these Pseudo Tech offering advice, it always boggles my mind... 0- Buy a Copy of Windows (whatever version you have installed)or buy a key from M$ 1- Reboot in safe mode 2- Do a search for WPA.* (WPA.DBL, WPA.BAK)They're in C:\windows\system32 3- Delete these file 4- Reboot into normal mode, you will warned that you have blabla time to activate 5- Click to activate, select by phone, select change key (bottom of form) 6- Enter new legit key 7- You are returned to activation screen, click Activate online 8- Do a search and backup the wpa files for future needs 9- Done
End of Line.
The same policy will be applied, much more aggresively, with Vista, because of economics.
There's a lot of speculation that Microsoft will have to orphan the Xbox - the 360 will be the end-of-the-line. This would have been unthinkable a year ago, but the financial situation has changed a lot, and a recession would pretty much seal its fate.
Uhm... option 1 is ofcourse no option...
Option 2, I've seen too many 'professional companies' FU this simple task of replacing the OS, so you loose both your money and your files..
Option 3, it's better than option 2 as you only loose your files.. LOL...
The best option I always use is, zip all your drives, and back them up to CD's or dvd's (or to another computer if you have one), then completely reformat you system and install windows (never reinstall over a copy), and then start installing the programs you need and copy back the files you want.. (Normally after that I even start removing unnecessary files from the zips so I keep a backup of the old files for a while, until I need the space)..
This may be of value http://www.informationweek.com/shared/printableArt icle.jhtml?articleID=189400897
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If milk does a body good, then reinstalls do a Windows or OS X system good. In my many experiences reinstalling a year+ old OS from scratch gets at least 10% performance back from the hardware. And it probably frees up a considerable amount of disk space. And this is an extremely easy friendly-neighborhood-geek thing to do, and scores you just as many (if not more) friend points than doing the difficult things like tracking down bizzar drivers for obscure hardware.
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I just used this method to save time setting up a bunch of XP Pro Retail machines with a single image on a few MacBooks running Parallels Desktop. Dunno if it will work for you if the copy of Windows your parents have is already activated, I didn't activate the copy I used until after changing the product key for each machine.
:-)
First, have a legit copy (actually just a legit product key) for Windows.
Once you have that, launch the "Activate Windows" application. I don't know where it lives on the drive once you activate Windows and it vanishes from the Start menu.
When the activation app opens, click "I want to activate by phone" or the closest similar option.
In the dialog that opens, there should be a button to change the product key. Click it and enter your legit product key.
Save the changes, and back out to the point where you chose activating by phone, and instead choose activate online.
The computer will phone home and activate, and after that WGA should be satisfied with your legitimatudity.
If, when you find and launch the Activate Windows application, it just tells you 'this copy of Windows is already activated' and quits, you're SOL for using this method-- if that happens I'd suggest you look for the unnamed, MS-unsanctioned utility Thurrott used to change his product key so he could appease the Man.
Buy a Mac? YOu honestly advocate going out and spending at least 600 bucks (of couse that would require at least another 512 MB of ram, a keyboard and a mouse and possibly a new monitor0, not to mention the costs of replacing software as well as the loss of all the data on the Windows based PC? Lets not even get into the costs of getting them familiar with the Mac over the PC.
Linux? Once again, they loose most, if not all their software, and probably the same with the data.
Sorry when a person asks for help getting a copy of Windows LEGIT, they are not asking to move to another OS.
What your post is, is nothing more than rabid fanboism at it's best.
Did anyone else find it slightly odd that google suggested a correction to the key? Is google giving you hints as to non-used XP keys? :)
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They could do what I did: buy a second hard drive, make it the master and the old drive a slave, install the legal copy of windows on it. Now all their old files are on the second slave drive and they have a fresh install of windows on a clean hard drive.
A slight added expense but hard drives are pretty cheap these days.
1> Backup data. Thats the first thing I'd do. Documents, pictures, etc.. Burn them to a CD or copy them to external media like an external USB hard drive.
2> Wipe the system completely with a full reformat.
3> Install the legit copy of windows.
4> Restore the backup data after installing new legit anti-virus software and make sure it's fully updated and scanned the backups.
5> Profit!
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Excuse me for a second.
.. and you're just screwed when it comes to DRM'ed files because THEY DONT MAKE THE SOFTWARE FOR LINUX. Oh yeah, how about my mouse?
.. but it doesn't work as it should.
So, Ubuntu doesn't cost a dime.
Does it: Play DVDs out of the box? Play MP3s out of the box? Work with Microsoft / Apple DRM music files out of the box?
No. It doesn't. For something to be even considered useful, it needs to be able to do the above three things. Or else it's WORTHLESS IMO. Sure, you can bring up Ubuntu, find some site, download XMMS with the MP3 plugins. Then you gotta troll Google to find out how to play DVDs
Can I re-program it's multiple buttons by clicking on an interface and saying "do this with this button and do that with that button"? Nope. I have to drop to a terminal, edit an xorg.conf file and restart X, to test. If I futz the file up, my X is trashed.
In my Dell notebook, the wireless card in it works only once. When I close the lid and suspend the computer, then re-open the lid and come back to the OS -- Linux cannot figure out what to do with the Wireless card. It TRIES to use it
While I understand how much better Linux is because of security, usability is FAR less than what people are willing to admit. Linux has a LOOOOONG way to go before it's ready for prime time on the desktop.
For a server? Hell yes, slap Linux on it. Desktop? I think not.
= Grow a brain...
Get linux. DUR!
I don't know about his parents, but my parents have close to 1.6 TB of disk space (and I'm the geeky one!)
They do more than browse and play games and email.
They'd notice..
Parents are not stupid..
= Grow a brain...
It seems that this post should be in a forumn or billboard? Is this what slashdot has come too?
Its getting crazy. I've got 2/3 of a TB of storage, and most of it is just sitting there, a lot of it not even partitioned (every once in a while, I throw a new distro on a spare partition and give it a test-drive).
I can buy a terabyte for less than I paid for my original 80 gig.
They should be backing their stuff up anyway - so why not to a nice new drive running linux?
1) Call Microsoft, as was already mentioned. I know this works for activating Office on multiple machines. 2) Disable the Security Center service and it will never come back. Yay! Also kills the antivirus warnings.
It's somewhat painful and time consuming. But you shouldn't be afraid. Every 6 months is a good rule of thumb.
(I'm totally slacking on a 1.5 year install and it sucks).
I should really just take a Ghost/dd image of my new laptop once I get it properly tweaked.
No, really, call Microsoft. They will give you all of the legit, legal options. I've seen them sell media-less CD-keys for Windows for as low as $50.
Contact Microsoft.
Seriously, it's pretty easy for them to change the product key / product ID of an installation, and you won't have to reinstall anything. Plus, I doubt they'll care that much that you pirated in the first place if you say you want to purchase a legal version now.
It probably doesn't apply to you, but if your mom didn't know she received an illegal copy, she could actually get a complimentary Windows license. However, she'd have to rat out said teacher, would have to have bought the counterfeit Windows (and have a proof of purchase), and the counterfeit itself would have to be "high quality".
Otherwise, the prices are still quite cheap by Windows standards. See Microsoft's Genuine Windows XP FAQ for more details.
To get the kit, go through Windows Genuine Validation, either by attempting to download something that requires validation or by installing the Windows Genuine Notifications update and subsequently getting the nag screens (which link to a more info page which should allow you to get the kit).
It's better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.
- E. Debs
Seriously. I know it seems like Vista will never come, but in 7 to 12 short months it will be here. We've all had to tough it out in XP for over 5 years now. Certainly it's worth it to wait a few more months, and once it's out (and it's any good) it will make XP seem obsolete.
I haven't actually had the opportunity to use Vista yet, but I have been using OS X for about two years now and if Vista is anything like OS X then it will definitely make XP seem outdated in comparison.
Wait for Vista.
ENDUT! HOCH HECH!
RS
Shoes for Industry. Shoes for the Dead.
http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org./ Takes a couple minutes to run, installs pretty much every codec out there along with apps to use them with. It's crushingly difficult. And so hard to find too--it took almost a whole minute to find the link on the Ubuntulinux wiki.
Which linux distributions have you tried? How much have you used them? Because I'm sensing a lack of familiarity. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Stick with Windows if you're more comfortable. Just don't assume that what's right for you is right for everyone.The MS OEM restrictions TheNetAvenger describes are no longer part of the license.
I just bought the OEM version of Win XP a few weeks ago and was surprised to find the restrictions a thing of the past. The real difference between the retail and OEM version licenses is that the OEM license is non-transferable and tied to a single system, while the retail version can be uninstalled from one computer and installed on another.
Regarding activation and hardware modifications, MS allows some flexability, but the intent of the OEM license is to tie the software to the system on which it is orignally installed.
No, but I find it interesting that the US Fish and Wildlife Service has a Windows XP key uploaded in plain text onto a freely accessible ftp server. The government supports piracy!
It's call Sysprep. It allows you to delete the the licence key and install a legit one for the system. I make image copies of my drives, and use linux to dd them, with Sysprep you can remain legal.
Apparently Microsoft doesn't want anyone to download the diagnostic tool they posted on their web site. (See the next in the lower left corner.)
We get computers all the time that come in the shop with this problem. Our solution is a repair install with a purchased key.
The directory containing that file also has an Office 2003 key :-)
Using HTML in email is like putting sound effects on your phone calls. Just say <strong>no</strong>.
WGA accused my office's only Windows box of being pirated. We got a new key, one we had to pay for again, and we tried this tool. It left our machine in an even worse state: unable to boot because of a missing extraneous set-up file, a file that was perfectly readable from both the CD and HDD copies of that file.
We had to do an XP repair install anyway to get the new key accepted.
It must be Windows. It needs half a gig of RAM and a hardware-accelerated graphics card just to run Solitaire.
Microsoft should have released a Migration tool for anyone who wanted to "Go Legit" and should have used a big ad campaign to let everyone know about it....
This tool should be available for $50 or less... should be a bootable disk with a new Genuine Serial Number on it and should simply be able to reset the computer to using that new serial.... without a backup, without a reformat, etc. etc.
They would have seen a huge demand for this and would have made a ton of money....
Idiots.
A fool throws a stone into a well and a thousand sages can not remove it.
If you follow the online links from the WGA fail page, you'll be asked to select your region. If you select United States, you'll be told rather bluntly that there's no way to buy a new key online.
It must be Windows. It needs half a gig of RAM and a hardware-accelerated graphics card just to run Solitaire.
X-Setup can do this, note that the latest versions are shareware, but the latest freeware version, 6.6, has the functionality. It's a plugin buried in there somewhere, shows you your product key and allows you to change it.
yes please answer me.
This tool (Windows Product Key Update Tool) does exactly what you want
I would look into a repair installation as described above.
For detailed instructions with screenshots, check out the article, Langa Letter: XP's No-Reformat, Nondestructive Total-Rebuild Option.
The article claims that "this option lets you completely and nondestructively rebuild, repair, or refresh an existing XP installation while leaving already-installed software alone (no reinstallation needed!)."
Screen Twelve of this walkthrough shows that you enter a product key, which should resolve the O/S-laundering scheme you seek.
As always, there is no guarantee, so you should back up your important data.
Anybody else find it ironic that this post was made by "MSFanBoi2"? It's really nothing more than "rabid MS fanboism", at best.
If you have the original install CD that was used, put in the your CD drive and look at the label that shows in My Computer. Write it down.
Then head over to http://www.tacktech.com/display.cfm?ttid=342 and find out which exact version of XP it is. If it is not SP2 click the other links for SP1 and SP0, etc, until you find it.
Once you have a volume label you'll know what was installed and it will help you find the right solution, legal or not (your choice).
If you don't have the CD, things are a bit trickier:
1. Right click my computer > properties > general and you should see something like the following:
System:
Microsoft Windows XP
Professional or Home or Media Center, etc
Version 2002 or something
Service Pack 2 or something
Registered to:
Name
Company
XXXXX-YYY-ZZZZZZZ-AAAAA (This is your Product ID, not to be confused with product key)
2. Find out which version you are running using the channel ID (YYY above):
# 000 : Other (includes some retail, upgrade and evaluation versions)
# 007 : FIXME : Retail
# 009 : Not for resale - bundle
# 011 : Upgrade (XP Home?)
# OEM : OEM (This does not specify royalty or normal OEM)
# 270 : Volume License
# 296 : MSDN
# 308/347 : Microsoft Action Pack subscription
# 335 : Retail
# 640 through 648, 652 : Volume License (usually generated via 270 CID in setupp.ini)
# 699 : Volume Windows XP Tablet Edition
# 071 : FIXME : Unknown.
Source: http://wiki.djlizard.net/Product_IDs
Good luck!
And if you know you don't qualify for their free offer, you don't even have to contact Microsoft to get your key changed.
They actually make a little tool for updating your product key, so you can avoid googling for key changers (which may lead you to potentially dodgy websites).
If you go and buy a boxed/retail copy of the Windows version you are currently running (eg, Home or Pro), you can update the product key by following these instructions. Or, instead of buying a retail version, you can buy the WGA kit or licence code direct from Microsoft by following the parent poster's advice.
I agree with most of the people here that purchasing a key online is the best direction to go.
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However, if you can't or don't want to for some reason, you can still buy the same version of Windows XP that you have installed and reinstall without losing any files or programs. Basically, using the installer you can "repair" a broken install of Windows XP and the installer will replace system files on your computer, but nothing else will be messed with. See here:
http://www.informationweek.com/shared/printableAr
As though it would take anything more than high school-level research skills to find such an answer via Google. This really is just another case of RTFM only it would be more accurate to say "quit being willfully helpless".
Some people like to assume that everyone either is a helpless moron, or should be -- and I would agree that many people are, and would vehemently disagree that anyone should be. This is why I view this kind of helplessness as pathological, and if you intend to solve problems for these people you must consider whether you are really helping them or merely enhancing their dependence on others by handing out easy answers ("teach a man to fish" versus "give a man a fish"). That is, if the idea is for people to learn and grow in their understanding and eventually come to master the equipment that they use on a daily basis. If that idea is not to your liking then the current status quo where no one is ever expected to learn anything should be ideal to you.
I much prefer to give people enough credit that they can be expected to solve their own problems or make arrangements (i.e. hire a tech) for someone else to do so, and then question the individuals who, from time to time, insist on using free, community-supported resources prior to exhausting other available options first. When you expect that everyone is so unable to take care of their own issues, you tend to get what you expect.
Sorry if this is a bit of a rant, but I notice that self-sufficiency is on the decline.
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
Why are suggestions to use Linux being modded offtopic? The topic is that an operating system isn't "genuine" and he's seeking advice on proofing his computer from legal scrutiny. What better way to do that than by installing an operating system that's free?
http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ will take care of most of that for free. As for buying DRM encumbered music for a music player that will handle MP3s, well, I'm told there are ways to handle that, too. But so far, DRM is mainly a tool to lock you into buying from the same place.
But we can play the same game with Windows:
Excuse me for a second.
So, Windows costs quite a bit.
Does it: View and edit MS Word and Excel docs out of the box? (OpenOffice) High quality image editing? (Gimp) Instant Messaging? (Gaim) Email Calendaring? (Evolution) Desktop Publishing? (Scribus)
No. It doesn't. For something to be even considered useful, it needs to be able to do the above things. Or else it's WORTHLESS IMO. Sure, you can drive to CompUSA and shell out another thousand dollars for all that stuff. ($230 just for MS Word?! WTF?)
And what about my hardware? Every other driver I install adds some annoying program to my system, which runs something at startup.
And Windows makes it *so* much easier for programs to simply run themselves. So now I shell out another couple hundred dollars for antivirus, antispyware, firewall, etc. And my system still gets infected! If I'm lucky I can get it off with help of my Windows guru friend, but eventually I have to reinstall the whole thing just so I can stop being a spambot.
While I understand that Windows is eaiser because people are used to it, usability is FAR less than what people are willing to admit. Windows has a LOOOOONG way to go before it's ready for prime time on the desktop. If you disagree, try testing the 2 OSes on people who have never used either.
For a server? Hell, no. Desktop? Questionable there, too. Yeah, I just love supporting all my Windows friends and family every time the get another fracking virus. I've taken to telling most people that I'm a Linux guy, and don't know much about Windows.
-Uberhund
Just buy a copt related to the pirated copy you have. (If you have a pirated copy of Windows XP Pro, Home, Media Center Edition, etc) and just use that product key. It's pretty simple to change the product key, and Microsoft can help you with that over the phone. But I've found it's also easy to do an XP Repair with your pirated key and then when you get into activation, call Microsoft and give them that the legit product key with the activation number and they will provide you with a key to fully activate and validate your system. Good luck!
"Instant gratification takes too long." - Carrie Fisher
If you are going to spend full price on a Microsoft Operating system just to make it legit, you might as well buy the new one. I'd wait for Vista, or even get the Vista beta if you wanted to do something right now.
Fresh install of legit copy to a new hard drive (or partition with partition magic) and simply drag and drop the personal files and use microsofts' transfer of personal settings. In case you use a new HD you'll be left with extra storage afterwards..
Hmm, you can't just go and buy the upgrade because it's cheaper! The upgrade is for people who have earlier versions of windows, legally. There are limits on the versions which qualify, maybe 95, 98, ME, 2000 etc. If you don't own a legal version of one of these OS's you can't just buy the upgrade of XP as you won't satisfy the license and it will still be illegal, there's no point then.
I'm often asked to do things to PC's which turn out to be running a pirated XP. When I tell the owners they usually say something like 'so what'. If I tell them I won't work on an illegal version they think about buying, see the price and make odd noises.
Come on people, if you can't stand the price, use FLOSS for god's sake.
The legal method to handle this is to purchase an OEM version of Windows Xp. You then perform what is known as a "repair" install. The cdkey change tools will not work. You must do the repair install. That method will not change any of the settings or loose programs. http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall. htm
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Just reinstall, and then restore from backup. If that isn't an option (because they only backup data and not programs) then I assume they have at least backed up their /var/lib/portage/world file, so just use that to re-install their programs. ;-) Ok, obviously there isn't a "Gentoo Windows" yet, but I assume they have some sort of semi-automated process for reinstalling packages from a restored list-of-what-I-have-installed. Because if that weren't the case, then nobody would have ever said "Linux isn't ready for the desktop" as though implying that MS Windows is nearly as ready.
If this advice seems impractical because restoring things from backup isn't trivial, then perhaps you have uncovered their real problem.
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The key changer will work if you had been sold an illegitimate retail version and bought a new retail version to replace it, PROVIDING it is the same SR level, however if you were sold an illegitimate OEM version and purchase a retail version, even if the same SR level, the key will likely not be accepted.
Do a repair installation - IF the retail boxed version you purchased is at least as new as what is installed on the machine. If it came with an OEM SR2, and the retail box is the original release or SR1, you stand a good chance of fudging everything up.
Best solution? Buy the new box, call Microsoft if it refuses the key, ask to speak to a supervisor and demand a working key for the OEM release since you now have the license to back up the use of it (aside from the fact that you OWN it, not license it, being a commodity good, but it'll cost more money than you and I to take Microsoft to court over that whole fiasco).
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I noticed that right away. Someone report this to Microsoft's anti-piracy hotline and drop a line to a big media company while you're at it. It'd be fun if it lands in court and then Microsoft, in retailiation, ends up more closely scruitinized for its business practices to ensure that they are abiding by their antitrust agreements. :D
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Boot the legitimate Windows install disk. At some point early on you'll be given the option to do a repair install, or to install a new copy of Windows. Choose repair install.
It depends. Did you get that OEM Windows from a big-box vendor like Dell, Compaq/HP, etc. or did you get the whitebox OEM? The whitebox OEM is very similar to retail, with the major difference being a slightly different key algoritm and it comes with the system builder components to put Windows into audit mode for customizing the desktop prior to shipment. The big-box vendors OEMs can sometimes be totally different and include items such as spyware preinstalled for your "convenience" (why do you think Dells are so inexpensive?), custom media players, and "value added" trinkets to suck up your system resources.
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As already pointed out, this method only works with the VLKs. To change the key in any version of XP, use the Magical Jelly Bean Keyfinder.
Last time I checked, Windows 2000 is still supported. It will be until late 2009.
Do you mean Windows NT 4? That was supported after the cut-off date.
Do you mean Windows ME? I doubt it, because that was a consumer OS, and since most banks run NT, that wouldn't make sense.
So, what banks are running NT2K? And more importantly, what is NT2K?
Here's 14 random predictions, that I know will come true too. (uh huh)
1. Revenue will increase in the next year with new releases.
2. Xbox will eventually kill PS3
3. More workers = more products = more profits.
4. Higher stock value
5. Next Generation OS already in alpha.
6. New office features and lower price point will = rapid adoption.
7. Lower upgrade prices = rapid adoption.
8. You should have said "Macs are hot again" after the fan problems.
9. First MacOS worm to wipe out 50% of all connected Macs by 2008.
10. IE 7.5 wipes out Mozilla.
11. Additional features will set Vista apart from XP.
12. Linux still requires more work to be as user friendly as Windows or Mac.
13. Zune kills iPod in 5 years.
14. Find out that Steve Jobs made deal with devil next fall.
You might as well just pick some lottery numbers, don't try and predict the future.
What would you do in this situation?
Whenever I have to reinstall windows (or more often, linux since my main computer runs a different distro about every week), I do an audit of all my data.
First, write down what you need to keep: emails? accounting data from Quicken? config info from other applications? bookmarks? Get it all down and back up everything to an external drive or a CDR.
Second, reinstall the OS and all applications. If you went through the whole harddrive, directory by directory, you should have saved all the config files and data files that you needed. If you didn't, then you should have gone more slowly and carefully.
It is best to do a reinstall anyway, because if they've been running Windows for a long time, they probably have a lot of cruft... left-over services and other junk from programs they don't run anymore that are slowing down their machine... and there's always the possibility of malware lurking in the shadows.
A reinstall takes care of all those things. Tell them not to be afraid, just patient and careful.
I don't understand what so special your parents could keep in WinXP format. Install any Linux brand for them which has the same look and feel, and they will be happy! Some Word documents? OpenOffice is COMPATIBLE! Excel spreadsheets? ditto. Photos, pictures? Could not Linux reads jpg files? Or do they develop in Visual Studio 2005 :-)? Why on the Earth do they need WinXP?
Steps:
boot from Linux LiveCD and show them that they can read their files and that OpenOffice could replace Microsoft Office. Backup data, install linux, restore data back and be all happy.
I recently had to upgrade friend's PC from Win2k to WinXP, and if you insert the WinXP install disk on a running Win2k system, it will detect and give you the option to upgrade instead of a fresh re-install. It kept most programs, registry entries, bookmarks and all user accounts intact. It was painless. MS actually got that 'right' in my opinion.
Not sure how a WinXP -> WinXP install would go, but if there's a 'repair' facility it probably will be nearly as painless.
ERROR 144 - REBOOT ?
Sorry to go on an off-topic rant here, but...
I'm a consultant who helps small business and home users. I can't tell you how many times I have talked to customers who (in the past) have had another tech come along and do a re-install without understanding all of the implications.
There is value in a machine's configuration! The customizations, tweaks, and even icon arrangements people create to make their systems work and lives easier are time-consuming to recreate, and there can be a major loss of productivity if they have to re-do it all from scratch. I'm a professional, and it's not uncommon for it to take me 3-5 hours to do a good job of getting all of the software, utilities, and configuration changes done for a typical business machine. Just because you can rebuild your own gaming rig from scratch in two hours (because you do it once a month) doesn't meant that this is a course of action that makes sense for everyone.
This is why I always recommend *full* backups of the entire system... not just "important" documents. And it's why I do a full re-install as an absolute last resort. I can count the number of re-installs I've been forced into in the last *year* on one hand.
The good news is that if you know what you're doing (unfortunately many techs don't) VERY few problems require a rebuild. It's very possible to clean off even the "worst" infections fairly quickly, with high confidence that everything is gone. I charge a two-hour flat rate for *any* infection cleanup (including kernel rootkits), and that usually works out to my advantage. Hard drives often have only failed in a few sectors... I commonly am able to image the failed drive to a new one, and repair the windows install using a combination of sfc, system restore, misc subsystem fixes, and (in the worst cases) a repair re-install.
The benefit to the user is that they get their machine back *exactly the way it was*, the same day, without a large repair bill. The benefit to me is that the customer is happy and calls me back the next time they have a problem... instead of cursing me the whole time they are trying to rebuild their system the way they had it.
If you are a tech and haven't learned this stuff, you are doing your customers and yourself a disservice.
-R
If the information is so important that you don't want to reinstall from scratch maybe you should be doing backups incase you break the system attempting to fix it or you have some hardware failure or some virus.
Then when you have a backup you can just go the easy route and reinstall everything from scratch and restore the backups.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
Not certain, and definitely not equating to profits, which are down.
Wii is the one to watch.
Total bullshit. What's happened was predicted a decade ago. Microsoft has already picked all the "low-hanging fruit", and now needs more bodies to squeeze more revenue out of marginal products.
The current prediction is a flat stock value, because of the buyback. Its been estimated that without the buyback, the stock would have lost about 20%. This buyback is confverting an asset with actual value (cash) into an asset with no intrinsic value(stock). But it was either do the buyback or lose even more, as the assets that are held as stock would have lost even more value.
No its not, and it won't be within the foreseable future. http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/06/28/HNwinsuc cessor_1.html They haven't even got a clue as to where they want it to go, except for some vague mumblings about "better multiprocessor support".
Heck, even a year after they "deliver" Vista, they still won't have delivered what was slated to go into it originally under the name "blackcomb".
Nope. They're in a bind on Office pricing. Lower the price, cannibalize revenues from existing customers. Maintain the price, lose existing customers. Besides, there are no "must haves" for the vast majority of users in the current version, never mind a hypothetical future upgrade. Their only option at this point is to continue to bleed slowly.
Same problem as #6 above. They simply can't afford to lower the price - it will mean less $$$, without increasing sales. That's the problem with being a near-monopoly - you're your own worst competitor. Even Microsofts' own employees are saying there's no real reason to upgrade.
And yet they've doubled their laptop sales, then doubled them again. They're now 12% of all laptops sold. Microsoft is going to miss the "back-to-school" surge next month, so expect to see mac laptops rise to between 15 and 20% by year-end, as Microsoft also misses the pre-Christmas sales. Expect desktops to follow, as users begin to demand seamless compatibility between their mac laptops and their home desktops.
IE is bleeding market share every month. The people who have changed will never go back, because the trust is gone. Microsoft has actually already lost the browser wars - its just taking tie for the news to spread from the head (early adopters) to the rest of the body.
People don't care any more. They don't buy an OS for its features - they just want to use it to do their work, play games, surf the net, etc. Windows95 was the last "gee whiz" release. Those days are gone. They'll never be back. Even the features that wer yanked from vista are not "must-haves" any more - and there will be free 3rd-party replacements for anyone who doesn't wan
Tell your parents it's pretty ridiculous to throw your money away just so you can "feel good" about giving Microsoft a little bit more money that they don't need. Piracy. It's what's for lunch.
Backup ~
Job done.
I'll probably be modded down for this...
Make sure you are behind a firewall or physically disconnected from the internet when reinstalling SP1. Upgrade to SP2, the slipstream all the patches from the latest autopatcher bundles and your computer has theb latest XP patches on it ready to hit the net.
http://autopatcher.com/
A few years ago, a dealer in germany did exactly that - sold OEM copies of Windows separately from hardware. Microsoft sued him and the lawsuit went all the way to the Bundesgerichtshof (Germany's highest court for non-constitutional issues). In that court, Microsoft lost.
The court found that the EULA was not binding, and Microsoft did not have a separate contract with that dealer that explicitly barred him from selling the OEM versions without hardware (that way, they could have made their OEM rules binding even in Germany).
Since that time, Microsoft has given up selling "OEM" software in Germany. What you can buy instead are "System Builder" versions. Those come without documentation and support, but Microsoft does not try to legally bind them to a certain hardware.
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Sort of... The reseller license says that it has to be sold with hardware--Microsoft Hardware.
So buy a $5 Microsoft mouse and the 'issue' is taken care of. Simple. We used to do it all the time at my last job. And we were told by the local Microsoft rep that this was perfectly acceptable.
Wrong. The "Magic Jelly Bean" uses the exact same scripts found in the KB for VLKs. And the key changer actually says so, if you weren't inclined to click the little underlined blue text.
if you have XP installed on the system (legit or not) you can upgrade it to the same version of XP. As long as you don't wipe the hard drive outside of the install process, you can reinstall to your hearts content. You can even do the same type of upgrade as you would do from a previous version, and not lose drivers or programs. I've done this with a legit OEM licence, because I fubared the system, but the licence key was lost.
That which is done from love exists beyond good and evil
Minor nit: One share of stock does have an intrinsic value: the sum of the valuation of the assets of the company, minus its debts, divided by the number of shares outstanding. That is, if the company were liquidated, it's the amount each share would be paid from the pile of money left over. Typically, of course, the share price is many times higher than that, because a company is generally worth far more as a profit-generating enterprise than as a mere sum of its parts.
Sorry, My predictions are right, yours are wrong, and the world will end on Thursday.
Do you actually think you're the first person to predict the demise of Microsoft (or Apple) and have a list of points that make sense?
You can not predict the future, you can only guess based on trends. The key word is guess.
And of course Microsoft will never again be what it was, everything changes, don't expect them to die a slow death though.
Actually, Microsoft ended support for Win98 and ME as of June 2006, and will be ending suport for XP SP1 in October. Win2k entered the extended support phase and will only receive security patches until 2010.
I'm guessing XP Home won't be supported shortly after Vista comes out, mainly because new systems will most likely have Vista on them. XP Pro will probably still be supported, and may get lucky and keep the support for as long as Win2k has, depending on how much it's used on servers (one of the main reasons, I think, why Win2k is still supported).
Because most users just want ease of use and familiarity. I love gentoo myself, but every Linux install that I've done so far has been tweaky, finicky, and just plain difficult at times. I like to play with it and learn, as it relates to my profession, but most users just don't want to put up with that. Windows, for the majority of users, just plain works.
Aside from Gentoo, what versions of Linux have you installed and what kinds of computers were they on? Although I think every expert has some sort of tweaks they do to a given OS to make it run better, my experience has taught me that Windows can be as finicky, if not more so, than any of them. It's amazing the number of changes, processes that are turned off, and crap that's uninstalled before a computer leaves the store when a customer gets a customization on their new computer.
Ok, so they may have to get used to a new way of installing programs (though, for a Mac, that's as easy as putting a file in a certain folder, which is nice), and may have to deal with a couple new names because of copyright restrictions, but it's not really anything that anyone can't handle if they take 10 minutes to learn their way around it. It's been proven that young children can learn their way around a totally new OS in about 5 minutes, even if their home computer is a different OS, but I guess that just goes to show you the deteriroration of a person's willingness to learn as they get older.
... The finger, and install Linux (or get your phone call, one or the other ;-) ) I think Ubuntu would be best here.
You will first have to buy an equivalent version. If they're already using XP Home, then just buy XP Home. If they're using XP Pro, then you have to figure out if they're using a volume license version, oem version, or retail version. Then you have to buy the right version license. (If it's volume license, you're out of luck: complete reinstall required.)
/a" without the quotes. Click to register by phone, and on the next page click the button to change your Key (or license, my memory gets hazy at this point). Enter in your new LEGAL license key, and click Next. It should generate a new system id. Cancel out of the screen, reboot, and you should be able to do legal things like get updates from Windows Update without running into WGA blocks.
Once you have this, log in with the administrators account. In the registry, navigate to HK_LOCAL_MACHINE -> Software -> Microsoft -> WindowsNT -> Current Version -> WPAEvents. Right click on OOBETimer and select "Modify". Change any of the values in there, and close the registry.
Next, go to Start->Run and type "c:\windows\system32\oobe\msoobe.exe
Wow...you missed the sarcasm in the post you're responding to (note the "uh huh")....
To my knowledge, the U.K. is the only country in which this practice is illegal. In the U.S. the courts have repeatedly held up (1) the doctrine of first sale -- you can sell a physical artifact you bought and (2) the doctrine that incidental and temporary copies made in the course of using software do not activate copyright law.
Provided you don't agree to the "EULA" or such rot, you aren't bound by it.
IANAL.
First of all, we DON'T know if the original Windows CD has been hacked with a low-profile portknocked encrypted backdoor trojan running GOD-knows what stuff the spammers, lurkers and hackers want. This kind is virtually impossible for anti-virus program to detect.
Secondly, a keylogger could be silently copying all your keystrokes (password and all). It doesn't have to send them over the net, but it might do an innocuous ping to the hackers' headquarter.
Thirdly, it could randommly mess with your data (just a tiny bit) to make you lose productivity, but not enough to think that one needs to reinstall Windows.
Do yourself a HUGE favor and buy a legitimate copy of Windows. The pain of reinstalling is worth it in the long run.
If you are curious as to how many trojans are out there (complete with a snapshot of their console GUI), check out http://www.megasecurity.org/
What you posted is not entirely true,
Mod parent down please...
If you have a machine that has the corporate version, you don't have to install over top of it. You can do a repair install. Just boot off the OEM version, and on the third prompt, select R for "repair" instead of installing over the current windows. This leaves the registry intact, all your programs the way they were, and lets you enter a new key as part of the installation process.
The only time you would have to a fresh install is if you went from pro to home.
I had an unfortunante incident with one of our suppliers that left us with a bunch of their corporate versions of windows on our customers machines. Customers started getting WGA errors all over the place, and we've found this to be the quickest legal method to deal with it. Magic Jellybean doesn't work because the windows versions are different.
This was noted a few posts up by the way....
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Gaim itself is an issue. Won't do conversation windows in MSN for one..
= Grow a brain...
Hey. I'm not flaming Linux here. I love it. What I don't love everyone sitting here and circle jerking about how good they think something is already, when there's vast amounts of room for improvement.
For instance: Will Linux run QuickBooks? No. Old versions under WINE, but that's a kludge at best. Quickbooks, like it or not, is the industry standard for small business accounting. I'm not going to a CPA with a Linux only datafile and expect him/her to be able to read it.
GAIM isn't the silver bullet. Have you tried using it? Have someone invite you into a multi-user chat room on MSN. You won't get the invite, nor will you be in the room with the others.
OOo is good "enough" for writing letters to Mom. Try to do advanced forms with it? Not happening. Or try to open a document from a state agency, that is a complex document. Not happening. Yeah, sure, they should use PDF (or ODF) but most states are locked into M$. Want proof? I can hook you up with an IT director for a state in the U.S. who will argue till he's blue in the face that Outlook / Exchange has a lower TCO than any other email solution.
Be locked into DRM from a certain vendor? Nice. What if I wanna use iTunes? Napster? Sorry, Windows / Mac only on iTunes, Windows only for Napster. And no, buying illegal music from allofmp3 or whatever isn't the ticket.
= Grow a brain...
Microsoft currently has about $3/share in cash holdings. That is going to go down as the share buyback continues, and as their revenues continue to decline.
One of the problems of evaluating how much Microsoft would be worth in a sale is that there aren't too many people who wold be potential buyers. Its too big. So it would have to be split up, and that causes a further problem - they've spent so much time pushing the "its so integrated" angle that there isn't any easy way to do a proper split-up of assets to sell off the individual divisions. There's going to be imparement no matter what.
Then there are the parts that look like they'll never make money - Xbox being one of them. Nobody will buy that, even for the proverbial "$1.00 + future considerations".
The Office division? Without any tie-in from the OS, there's no real incentive to go Ms-Office as opposed to Corel, or OpenOffice, or any other suite.
The server division? Competition there is fierce, and linux and bsd both have better reputations in terms of cost and reliability.
The consumer OS (Vista) division (because lets face it, Microsoft's XP and Vista are consumer OSes) Support is an ongoing expense, and the cost is going to continue to rise. We saw this with XP - the more complicated the code base, the more bodies you have to throw at it. Vista is going to be a code support nightmare (okay, it already is).
Nope, the shareholders are on a roller-coaster ride. They've gotten to the top, and now they're on the way downhill. There'll be other peaks, but none will be as high as that first one, and the overall trend is downhill from now on.
Installing Videolan ( http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ ) is the easiest solution : all the codecs are included, and it will work just as well on either Linux or Windows. Who wants to change his/her applications just because he/she changes the operating system running under ? No kidding ! This is 2006, folks, not 1996 anymore !
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Gee, I don't know.. install it on a new harddrive, make a backup first. How is this any different than upgrading or reinstalling for any other purpose? Stupid Ask Slashdot, really.
I fully expect them to die a slow death over the next 2 decades. It's the other side of the "revenue explosion" Charles Simonyi spoke about when talking about Window's future in the early '80s. He was right then, and the same principle holds true today. Sharp rise, plateau, then descent is the way that curve works, and Microsoft is right on course.
Anyone who believes that Microsoft will still be the dominant player in the market doesn't understand commoditization, growth curves, and market saturation.
first get a legit key for ur OS that u are runningu rrent Version\WPAEvents /a
then
here is how to change the key
1.
Click Start, and then click Run.
2.
In the Open box, type regedit, and then click OK.
3.
In the left pane, locate and then click the following registry key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\WindowsNT\C
4.
In the right pane, right-click OOBETimer, and then click Modify.
5.
Change at least one digit of this value to deactivate Windows.
6.
Click Start, and then click Run.
7.
In the Open box, type the following command, and then click OK.
%systemroot%\system32\oobe\msoobe.exe
8.
Click Yes, I want to telephone a customer service representative to activate Windows, and then click Next.
9.
Click Change Product key.
10.
Type the new product key in the New key boxes, and then click Update.
If you are returned to the previous window, click Remind me later, and then restart the computer.
(yes i know i suck at spelling fell free to correct my grammar and/or spellin i dont care, im still not going to change
You were a jock in high school, weren't you? Or do you even remember high school? Let's see...you're 32, and aside from the fact that you don't have the guts to post with a username, that would put you in high school in what? Class of 1992? Hmm...so that means the geeks in your high school were probably tinkering with any A/V equipment your school had, probably working with the 5" floppies and the few computers your school probably had at that time, and don't forget the typewriters, they probably fixed those, too. And they did all this despite the fact that you and your buddies tried to shove them in a locker on a daily basis, belittle them, tell them they were worthless and noone cared about them (despite the fact that they practically ran the school, and pretty much run the country, but don't generally gloat about it because they're not that high-profile), and generally made their life a living hell. Treat people like professionals and they'll act like professionals (ask any Kindergarten teacher). And perhaps it's not them that need to grow up, but you're the one that needs to grow up (or perhaps you don't like teens because you're afraid of getting old?) and realize that they're the future and you'll be relying on them sooner than you think.
That aside, to the teen geeks who posted: The real geeks don't gloat about what they know or can do, aren't generally arrogant, and usually make their knowledge known through things like fixing the family computer and their parents tell friends and neighbors. I've had run-ins with people who bring their computers in after "the neighbor kid who knows a lot about computers" was done with it, and that's generally what happens. That's not to say, however, that all teens are like that. As one of them, I know what it's like to be told "you don't know anything, you're just a kid." Make your accomplishments based on what you know, learn everything you can, those certs and a college degree are a definite plus and can help fill in gaps that "real world experience" may not teach you. Also, work on people and communication skills, both written and verbal. A geek with good communication skills is virtually irreplacable. And also prove wrong people's ideas of "teenagers are obnoxious brats who think they know it all but lack any real world experience."
The companies I've worked for tell the customer to either back their files up themselves, or let the company do it, otherwise the company is not responsible for lost files. The OS is then replaced, and if anything is FUBAR, the company has to fix the problem at no cost to the customer and the company eats what would have been the profits.
BTW, I went to your web site and got the following error:
I am particularly interested in your site as I am doing some work with wireless and Ubuntu Linux.
Cheers
Who is this delectable creature with an insatiable love of the dead?
Seriously just re-download Windows XP From www.mininova.org, MUCH SMARTER IDEA
If you had installed Windows before, you would know that it doesn't play DVDs out of the box. It won't play MP3s out of the box either. It sure as hell doesn't play Apple DRM files out of the box.
If your Windows does these things out of the box it is because of 3rd party software installed and configured by your OEM. I never bought an OEM Linux computer, but I would assume that the OEMs would do that sort of things for Linux too.
I won't argue that both MS and Linux can be a big PITA to use, but I just wanted to point out the flaw in your logic.
In Europe and the UK, a contract cannot take away any rights given to you by the Law of the Land. The Doctrine of Exhaustion of Rights allows you to transfer software to another computer you own, or to sell it {of course, any copy you retain begins infringing copyright immediately after you sell the original}. Even if an EULA formed a legally-binding contract {which it evidently doesn't} it couldn't take away your statutory rights.
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I find it interesting, too, that he seems to have little knowledge of what an Apple computer requires as far as hardware. Otherwise he'd know that a standard USB mouse and keyboard, and a standard monitor generally works with most Macs. He'd also know that most third-party software (ie - not MS brand, though even some of them are Mac supported) generally has Mac support from the beginning, AND that documents themselves are OS-independent and only require a program that can read said format (such as Open Office being able to open, edit, and create MS Office files such as Excel spreadsheets and Word documents). And if he paid ANY attention to the post he replied to, he'd know that the poster didn't suggest JUST Mac or Linux, but offered Windows options as well.
He'd also know that buying any decent, new computer usually entails paying at least $600 after everything is said and done...
*Then* they can think about doing a Windows key update or if necessary reinstalling.
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"Corporate" is just Pro with a Volume License Key (VLK). Going from Pro->Home is no different than Corp->Home. You can't repair between versions without running into trouble.
I was really annoyed to have to buy a full-price copy of XP when my mother-in-law's computer needed to be cleaned up a few years back, but there didn't seem to be any point in trying to reinstall WinME, especially when she'd lost her install disk and I'd have to bring mine over from home on my next trip - I didn't want to mess with any licensing-police issues, and it was especially insulting because WinME hadn't fixed any of the problems Win98SE or Win98 had on my machines so I felt Bill Gates had ripped me off. At least XP let us run her machine in non-administrator mode so she'd have more trouble getting new spyware.
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Try to visit a site that requires WGA, fail it, and there should be an option to pay Microsoft to make the copy legit. I believe it was $150 or so.
Honestly, I'd just backup and reformat.
If you have the "name brand disk image compressed into .zip files" OEM CD, then yes, you're right. But you only get that if you have one of a few specific name brands to begin with, which probably means you've got a legit copy of Windows. Hence, it wouldn't apply to this situation.
If you've got the OEM from Microsoft version, which is what any Mom & Pop store gets, and is also included with Acer, some Dells, and I'm sure a couple of others, then you can do a repair install, upgrade install, or just reinstall overtop. The repair install is what you'd need to do for this situation.
"City hall" in German is "Rathaus" Kinda explains a few things......
My sanity.
The real Captain Avatar is a fictional character, so I suppose he doesn't mind if I impersonate him.
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If you have a copy of Windows XP which is pirate you could simply just crack the wga and if it ever becomes a problem (legally) you have a Windows XP license and working CD key ? would that still mean you pirated windows or is it legit. Like if I had 4 pirated Windows XP machines and bought 4 licenses at a later time would it make all my XP installs legit ? (I don't care about the wga or the key crap ... some nifty cracks and such fix those up really well)
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The world isn't always either/or. Both propositions could be true. Personally, I find HTML much more flexible than its perverted evil twin, CSS. Now there's something that's really stupid.
They don't want to reinstall because they're don't want to reinstall their pirated copy of Office.
I'm really not sure what you're ranting about. Microsoft's base OEM install CD is identical in functionality to a retail version. OEM stands for Original Equipment Manufacturer. The OEM, the company you buy the computer from, then customizes their own OEM Windows install CDs to make the customers feel like it's special. Or to screw the customers over. They slipstream nifty things in there, like all of the drivers for your hardware, and put their own interface on the install. Sometimes they disable things like repairing and replace them with things like "format and restore original install", but that has absolutely nothing to do with Microsoft.
An original Microsoft "not for retail sale" OEM CD has the exact same functionality as a retail CD. I've used them to do full repairs, full reinstalls over existing installations without formatting, and command line repairs from the recovery console. A Sony/Dell/HP/Compaq "OEM Windows Installer/System Recovery" CD may or may not.
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But you only get that if you have one of a few specific name brands to begin with, which probably means you've got a legit copy of Windows. Hence, it wouldn't apply to this situation.
or the whole reason they are on corp is the first place is frustration with the crappy big brand oem installation media.
note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register
I think if you own a valid product key the exact same edition that you pirated, you can download a product key changer from MS that'll let you substitute your valid product key in place of the pirated one. They offer it in the WGA support forums to people who's systems came with XP, but later reinstalled the same exact edition with a pirated key. http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=50346&clcid =0x409
The thing is, if you really want to be legit, you have to buy retail.
but people don't really wan't to be legit, they just wan't to do enough to convince enforcement (whether human or automated) that a machine is legit.
note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register
In Amsterdam, there's mix of retail shops scattered across town, and on one street is a cluster. On the day I need to get the machine setup I visited most of them trying to buy a 'full' version with which to 'upgrade'. I also checked online and saw similar stuff as the shops.
:-)
I had built a new machine from parts ordered online for my friend/client. He had an older machine, and I'd copied over the prior installation from a backup, but I had to 'upgrade' Windows in order to install new drivers. I used the disk he had (OEM) and it would only do a fresh install, wiping any existing Windows system away. (as I recall).
All over town I could find OEM versions of XP home, sold without hardware (wink wink, nudge nudge; no one 'enforced' this, or cared in the slightest and these stores are as 'consumer-level' as you can get). What I remember was I could not find an 'installer' (a version of windows that would upgrade the existing system, and provide the ability to insert appropriate drivers so the system will work on the new hardware). My only option that I could see, was to spend 290 euros for a full retail version. This was all I could find that wouldn't wipe out the existing system (and I was careful to ask the dealers who sold this stuff all the time).
To be clear, these windows versions are labelled OEM, or RETAIL. And the nomenclature/function seems to be understood well among these local dealers.
If I had to do it all over again, I'd probably first look at Acronis backup software, which works really well. I notice they now offer a 'universal restore driver' option. It inserts universal-enough drivers upon restoration of a backup, so that the system will boot up on new hardware.
Of course, if I had to do it all over again, I'd have all the splendid notes everyone has left too.
You can't be ahead of the curve, if you're stuck in a loop.
I think it was. Unless they reform the band.
I work at a company who does a LOT of computer repairs. I can assure you that this program works for every version of XP. We use it quite often.
Just blackmail the teacher into buying a legitimate copy of Windows for them! After all, after you've committed the dread act of piracy, what's a little extortion and blackmail? Just ask yourself: What Would Jack Sparrow Do?
After downloading firebird, migrating all of their email and backing up all data. Go ahead with your installation and restore their data. Problem solved.
As far as what they actually are doing, well, it's theft, plain and simple.
No, because infringement of intellectual property is a civil offence, while theft is a criminal offence. If you don't understand the distinction, you're obviously not qualified to be making any commentary on this subject.
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Sounds great.
Especially great for you because you're going to be back in another month to six months to do it again.
one of the linux based systems. Seriously.
/olddata partition so the old drive can be saved as backup.
Buy them a new HD for the Linux, swap the HDs so you have the original safe-and-sound, and install, what, RH? SuSE? Ubuntu or Knoppix?
Show them where all the software they will use instead of the Microsilt is and show them how to do what they want to do. (Firefox, one of a couple of options on e-mail, openoffice?)
Hang the original HD off as a slave and set it up so they can mount it read-only and get at their old data. Or maybe copy the old data to a special
Make a date once or twice a week to come show them how to do what they can't figure out. You need the excuse to visit anyway, and you'll find after the second week that you actually do visit more than do geekly things.
There is some misrepresentation going on here about oem versions of windows. Before I clarify, let me just bring up a couple of facts.
Windows is just a program.
Microsoft holds no special legal or commercial position that other sofware makes don't hold.
The OEM agreement is just an agreement. You should bide by it.
The OEM agreement doesn't tie the software to the hardware. It ties Windows to your motherboard.
Ok, so you have some facts. What does this mean?
1) You install that on a computer, say an older one, and it is contractually tied to that motherboard. Even if you bought it with a NIC or a HDD or some RAM, it is still tied to your mobo. In doing so you agree that if the mobo goes out you will replace the copy of windows, even if the software is line for line the same computer program (windows, that is).
2) You are required to attach the sticker to the side of the case in an easily visible position as per the requirements of Microsoft. That sticker cannot be removed or moved to a new case. Once you apply that sticker, if you choose to replace the case you must replace your license because it is not legal to pull the sticker from the case.
3) The reason the license is tied to your mobo is because Microsoft feels that if you replace your mobo, the company that sold you the license, which now becomes the support group, cannot, according to Microsoft, adequately support something that important that you didn't sell. Essentially, it is one of support.
The situation with the case and sticker are just arbitrary. Microsoft does not want to loose out on sales and requiring a new copy guarantees them a sale, that is, if you wish to remain legal.
Most of the OEM particulars were fleshed out with royal OEMs. These are the likes of Dell, HP, Sony, etc. These companies were looking for a way to guarantee that you, if you were a purchaser of their computers, would have to go back to them for replacement parts. Microsoft was happy to comply as long as those company stringently complied by forcing you to replace your copy of Windows.
These people are the ones that set/agreed to the requirements for the OEM license which then was carried down, because there was no real representation for all the small systems integrators. Basically, we all have to agree and systems integrators weren't represented.
You can understand this if you carefully think about that idea of the sticker and the mobo requirements, and then think about the royal OEMs. It will become quite clear.
Some advice:
Buy a retail copy. That isn't tied to the mobo.
If you buy OEM stick the sticker to a piece of plastic, clear plastic, and then attach that to the case instead of affixing it directly to the material that makes up the case. As long as it is properly placed and attached they can't complain.
If you had a legal copy prior to putting the illegal software on your computer just buy an upgrade. There's no reason to buy the full version.
Also, remember that Microsoft is a monopoly. They make huge sums of money every quarter. Some poor family that doesn't have alot of disposable income isn't going to be sued nor pursued by Microsoft as long as you don't start mass distributing it.
Finally, Vista is just a buggy XP with a newer interface and higher requirements centered on DRM.
You can lead a man with reason but you can't make him think.
Unless MS is sending me a check for everyone I 'convert'- I honestly could not care less. Its not my duty. They're grown-ups, they can make their own decisions. On top of that, if someone knows Windows enough to navigate and install programs, I feel lucky. I'm not gonna ruin that by sending them head first into the uncharted territory of open source, and giving them nothing but smug responses. If they are on a pirated Windows version, well, its no fault of mine. Should I feel like making a citizen's arrest and losing a client? Maybe. But, I dont. For all intents and purposes its out of my 'jurisdiction'
*In response to the question,* I say, get Windows on eBay because its about $40 cheaper than retail. One could also suggest waiting for Vista and not buying XP, but I wouldn't.
There's a neat trick to the 'upgrade' versions of Windows. The installation of an older version of Windows doesn't have to have been completed, as I found out when I couldn't find the key after doing a reformat. I installed '98, but couldn't find the key for that either. Despite the fact that I couldn't get into '98, I was allowed to install an upgrade to XP and use the upgrade key.
One simple executable. Called the KeyUpdateTool.exe provided by microsoft. It will update a 'pirate' version of Windows XP with the new CD key you provide. It is non destructive and has worked flawlessly on the 10 machines I have had to use it on. Your mileage may vary but I would recommend this option to all who purchase a valid license.
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* blushes *
Yup, I do know about that, and I'm sorry for not fixing it sooner.
Basically, I'm not a web-designer, so it's not very "interesting" to fix, I have loads of other things to do right now, and Linux hardware isn't really my main business, more of just a hobby.
What that page would tell you is that I sell 54 Mbps, 802.11g wireless network cards featuring the Ralink 2500 and the prism54 chipsets, which are both VERY well supported with open-source drivers under Linux.
The Ralink 2500 cards are £29 + p&p, available in PCI & cardbus versions and are supported by the rt2500 driver (which is now shipped by many distros, including Ubuntu).
The prism54 wireless cards are £39 + p&p and available in PCI only but as well as operating as a normal wireless network card they'll also do "master mode". This allows a regular Linux PC to operate as a wireless base-station - not ad-hoc mode, but proper master-mode, FWIW. The prism54 driver has been part of the main 2.6 kernel tree for some time.
I'm based in the UK but can ship within the EU. Email me for more details.
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"City hall" in German is "Rathaus" Kinda explains a few things......
Considering that last post came from my MacBook, I would have to say plenty.
1.) Unless the PC in question is very new, chances are it has a PS2 style keyboard, and more than likely a mouse, which don't work on a Mac without the PS2 to USB adapter, which doesnt work on all systems and on some systems doesn't work 100%
2.) Quite a few monitors are not digital out there. Sure you can use the adapter, but it looks like crap.
YOU STILL HAVE TO REBUY SAID SOFTWARE for the Mac. THus it costs money. Unless you advocate piracy, in which case not only are you blinded by the Apple RDF, you are also a theif...
Don't let your Apple Koolaid cloud your vision TOO much... huh?
Step 1.. Tell them you installed the new copy, but you didn't. Step 2.. Sell new legit copy to someone else. Step 3.. Profit
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I think some families wish they could rollback and fork.
Maybe these families use VSS.
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Reinstall the system with known-good media. If the OS is pirated, it probably has activation cracks, and who knows whether it has a rootkit or other malware installed. The safest thing to do is to get a new, OEM copy of Windows XP (must be purchased with hardware, but "hardware" can include a power splitter). Newegg sells legit copies for $90, which is a lot less than the retail price. You get the holographic CD and the COA, along with a valid product key, so you know that it's genuine.
You cannot upgrade from an OEM CD, nor would you want to. The system should be considered insecure because it is not in a known state. You wouldn't install from Fedora media with the wrong sha1sum; why would you install from an unknown copy of Windows?
This is the answer. I have also seen that if you install the new 'check if my copy is legal' tool that MS wants to auto-download through Windows Update, if it detects a pirated version, it will offer to let you buy a legal key for a decent price. ($150 for my [legal] full copy of XP Pro that it incorrectly thought was pirated.)
Also, if you need to go through re-activation, and it doesn't like your key, it will offer to sell you one.
And, if they bought the computer from a store and the store sold them a pirated copy, MS will even (under certain circumstances) let them convert to a legal key for free. (You must be willing to rat out the place you bought it from, though, providing detailed information.)
Another non-functioning site was "uncertainty.microsoft.com."
The purpose of that site was not known.
Dipshit.
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Wow, reading through all these posts makes me really question Slashdot members.
Really, really, really.
(1) You can't just change the product key. Corp uses volume licensing keys, and will not accept a XP home, home oem, pro, pro oem, or mce key.
(2) You do not need to do a reinstallation, or an "in place install", as neither will keep your existing configuration. You could do an in place install and copy over the registry hives, but there are easier ways.
(3) To buy MS OEM software you no longer need to purchase hardware alongside. This has been the case for at least a year. Check NewEgg for proof.
Now, as some people have mentioned before, a REPAIR installation is the easiest answer.
You must buy a copy of XP Professional for this to work. XP Home won't repair corporate editions, as corporate editions are XP pro.
OEM or retail. It doesn't matter.
Slide in CD, boot to CD, install SATA driver via F6 if applicable.
Blah, google for screen shots and detailed directions. Its really quite simple, you act like you're going to do a fresh install and the install program finds the existing OS. But, I digress, I don't want anyone attempting this on those lame directions alone.
After the repair install you will need to
(1) Active Windows
(2) Install drivers
(3) Download all updates
(4) Sit back, caus everything else is the same.
WHALLA, legit Windows.
The act of installing software makes a copy. That is copyright infringement unless you have authorization with the copyright holder. That authorization comes through a contract, typically the End-User License Agreement. If you're not complying with that contract, including the payment for the liscence, you do not have authorization to copy the software to your hard drive, and are commiting copyright infringement by doing so.
If it ain't broke, it needs more features!
actually, it WILL play MP3 files out of the box. And it will play WMV DRM files out of the box..
= Grow a brain...
It's better to use a Free system and leave the non-free stuff alone.
If you must use non-free software then it's better to not pay for it, because if you pay them then they will just keep making non-free software.
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Just have them pick up a legitimate copy and not install it. Technically they've purchased a license to run whatever version of Microsoft Windows they have, and as far as I know this license is granted as such so that the machine might run it. If you already have Windows on the machine, don't bother installing anything more--just tuck your new copy away on the shelf and don't put it on any other computers. It's not like the "pirated" copy is any different than any other Windows system of its version except by product key and maybe a couple other unique identifiers, but if anyone calls you on it, say "I have a license to run this software!"
You simply have the wrong idea about what is the right thing to do:
The Right Thing to do is to use only Free software.
The Wrong Thing to do is to award purveyers of non-free software.
Using non-free software without paying for it, is slightly less wrong than paying for it, so it's the preferable choice, if you absolutely have to use that software.
Using Windows awards Microsoft with a larger marketshare, that's the reason you shouldn't use windows, pirated or not.
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I googled smarta** and it lead to this post.
Videogames made me kill people...I also eat mushrooms to grow bigger.
Somehow I don't think you understood the joke...
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Have you even read the OP? It implicitly asks for solutions that don't involve "deleting everything and having to reinstall... programs". I think that answers your question.
"teach a man to fish" versus "give a man a fish"
I prefer the adage "Set a man a fire, and he will be warm for a night, set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life".
But you DO know this because when it first fails WGA and every subsequent time, MS offers you the chance to buy a licence and go legit and say they'll email you a key changer.
It's a pointless pointless article really about on the level of "My PC says press the any key. What do I do now?"
re Redsector and Psygnosis, those cool 17yo hackers from 1989 now work for sony making their
cool expensive Amiga30000, called the PS3
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Well, since you ask, personally I would grab a copy of [Favourite free O/S] and install it in place of [Monopolistic evil O/S]... *SLAP* sorry, wrong thread :)
Although they are improving dramatically with each release, I still believe that Windows installs go "mouldy" - They get slower, eat more memory and become generally less stable with time. The latest set of Windows versions does this quite slowly, unlike Windows 95/98/ME, where you could almost see it happen.
The reason for mentioning this is that if you buy a Windows XP upgrade CD, you will be able to "refresh" the mouldyness, and provide a new CD key in one go by upgrading your existing XP to the CD XP - This will probably then need a whole slew of updates downloading, but the end result is often noticably smoother running.
Just my 2p
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Many smaller computer shops will only sell you a copy with a qualifying hardware purchase--in most cases, a case mounting screw (for around $0.06 USD) will suffice.
I'm sure it is not what Micro$oft intended, but I've not seen their legal team beating down the doors of any Minneapolis/St. Paul computer shops where this happens...
I use irony whenever I can, but my shirts are still wrinkled...
If you are going to run windows, buy it, if not, go get an OS that is free, as in freedom and beer. Then you do not have to worry about this kinda shit. There are hundreds of Linux distros out there for free, format, install (it only takes about 25-30 mins now a days) and try them out. Repeat as necessary to find the one you want to use.
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Never thought I would see so many slashdotters defending Microsoft. It's like the Twilight Zone...
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All of that is true. I was only speaking in the abstract about the dictionary definition of "intrinsic value."
Honestly, is a new computer with a legit version of Windows too much to ask? Especially if the alternative is being ratted out as a supplier of bootlegs of Windows and facing stiff fines and serious jail time.
I guess the only drawback would be that your parents have also committed a felony and would be facing the same punishment. Incidentally, you just asked the question non-anonymously. I suppose that's a confession of sorts. Lets hope law enforcement or Microsoft don't read this site...
Actually, I really do know what I'm talking about. The theory is simple: all malware has to get launched. There are a limited number of places in windows something can stick itself to get launched at boot time. This is what tools like HijackThis and autoruns allow you to look at. If you use them frequently enough, it's pretty easy to pick out what doesn't below.
Kernel rootkits made this a bit more challenging, since you can't trust what Windows is telling you about what you see through these tools. The answer to that is to boot to trusted media (like a BartPE disk) and check out the potential autostart locations from that. Since the malware isn't loaded, it can't make the system lie to you.
Thanks to the newer kernel rootkits that hide files in NTFS alternate data streams, you have to scan for those as well from trusted media. But that's doable- there are tools which work from BartPE which will enumate files with ADS streams, and you can also check for ADS paths in the list of drivers which load a boot-time. Then when you think you've got it clean, throw a sniffer on the machine's LAN connection and see if anything unexpected happens.
Thus, it's really quite possible to manually discover and "kill" most infections with a reasonably high degree of confidence, if you have enough practice and experience. The level of assurance isn't high enough for a corporate server, but it's usually sufficient for home users and in small businesses, considering the cost of a from-scratch rebuild.
I do admit I'm a bit more qualified than most techs who do this... I've got a computer science degree, and have been doing IT stuff professionally for 14 years. You've got to have a pretty solid grasp of windows internals to do this well.
-R
They wouldn't have bought it from Best Buy, by any chance? My friend bought a PC from them that came with a copy of Office 2003 - but in BETA version. Apparently the store was swept by an epidemic of "Huh? I dunno." disease when he called to demand a real version as advertised.
Having spent a bit of time in Amsterdam and also a lot of time in Belgium - I truly understand what you have experienced.
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Most of the shops I encountered were not always 'well' informed themselves, let alone able to convey information to their customers. Of course there were several shops that 'did' get it, but it was not the 'common' knowledge with the average computer tech let alone the buyer.
For the majority of my friends, I ended up just finding them a good contact that was an IT professional (like at EDS, etc), and let that person help them.
To this day, your best bet for information is going sadly going to be to cross reference what any shop tells you with what you can lookup online. But this is true of everywhere.
The large 'mass consumer' american stores over here can help consumers because in the large store settings, you usually can find at least on nerd that knows what they are doing, even if they are another customer.
(You could always head over to Wal-Mart in Germany)
Well thats just plain and simple, not true. My school (along with many other schools) offer the OEM version of Windows XP SP2 for $5(USD) by itself. That's right, $5. They have a deal with Microsoft to do so, and every student is allowed 1 copy of the software for $5. The software says "OEM" right on it and its understood that you aren't a manufacturer at the time of purchase. They also did this with Office and some other software.
Ok, it is VERY possible what you say is true, as MS does work with educational systems to provide offers like this. In an instance like this MS could drop a bunch of any 'packaging' of Windows, and modify the license for your special circumstance.
However, having worked in the OEM world for a long time. If you are a business and 'selling' an OEM copy of Windows without hardware, you are breaking the License and the Law. PERIOD.
The Upgrade version of Windows is about the same price, so there is often little need for businesses to do this, unless the people are building new computer themselves, then it used to be that you could sell the customer a Hard Drive and the OEM copy of Windows to meet the hardware qualifications.
The MS OEM restrictions TheNetAvenger describes are no longer part of the license.
You could be correct; however, I was under the impression that for the OEM to uphold their license with MS that they had to tie the OEM copy to a piece of hardware that would be used in the computer.
So even if the OEM License itself does not still say the Hardware requirement, the OEM may have to agree to uphold the hardware requirement License in order to purchase the OEM copies from a Vendor.
However, everyone check on this. If the hardware restriction is lifted it would be a good deal for people that don't have a previous Windows version. However if you already have a copy of Windows (as most people that purchased a computer do), then the Upgrade version would be the best, as the installation allows the OS to be Upgraded and you don't have to do a clean install as you do with the OEM version.
Sure, but I think you're looking with a very narrow view here. Most laws have little to do with property or scarcity of resources at all, but they all operate on the same basic principle: society is improved if everyone follows a particular law. (I'm glossing over the precondition that laws are made well, which obviously isn't universally true.)
Agreed again, but the fact that a law is easy to violate and this is widely abused does not mean that the law is not in the interest of society, nor that we should not try to enforce it and to punish those who do not obey it.
Take an extreme case: someone who is truly determined to kill another human at any cost will often be able to commit the murder, and we know that people do get murdered. We cannot make people invulnerable, nor provide sufficient resources to protect every individual all the time. Should we therefore accept that the law against murder is flawed, because it cannot be perfectly enforced? I hope we'd agree that such an argument would be inappropriate.
Something that is perhaps closer is speeding: speed limits in many countries are widely broken by drivers, and speeding is often portrayed as a "victimless crime". Moreover, in many cases, this is justified: the fact that a particular speed is above the specified limit does not automatically imply that it is an inappropriate speed for the driving conditions at a given time, and a skilled and experienced driver may well be in a better position to judge this than a road planner working to a rule book several years previously.
Now, here's where the parallel really cuts in: in an ideal world, we might do away with arbitrary speed limits, in favour of enforcing dangerous/inconsiderate driving laws rigorously. Where speeding is dangerous, it would still be an offence, but where it is reasonable but for the law, it would cease to be illegal. However, it would be much more difficult for our legal systems to act against those who are driving in a dangerous or inconsiderate fashion under this scheme. Thus speed limits are, if you like, a concession to pragmatism.
A parallel view exists for things like copyright: clearly not all infringements of copyright violate the principles the laws are supposed to protect, though they may violate the letter of the laws intended to represent those principles in more concrete terms. For example, we have no way of telling that Joe Public really does only rip MP3s of new tracks to see whether they're any good, and honestly buys the music for anything he downloads that he wants to keep. I'm sure some people do do this, and I'm equally sure that many more do not. However, the economic impact of the abuses may be significantly damaging to society.
Again, in a better world, we would perhaps have some mechanism by which a consumer could sample copyright works for long enough to identify their value to that consumer, and then opt to pay the asking price or not. Having paid, they would then receive a secured version that allows them to use the material fairly without limitation, but completely prevents sharing it in unfair ways to the detriment of the people whose hard work went into producing it. Of course, such a system could never work with Big Brother-scale surveillance of any use of copyright materials, which
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
Actually, Microsoft had the freedom to make a separate contract that would have barred the dealer from un-bundling the OEM software. The court explicitly stressed that point.
But under German law, this requires a contract that is signed before the sale, or at least "standard business conditions" that are clearly visible to the customer before buying. An EULA that is only visible when installing the software does not cut it, as it fails the standard of "visible before buying".
Most EULAS for off-the-shelf software are of that type and thus unenforcable. I have never seen one that was printed out on the box, which might make it enforcable.
Another complication is if the software goes through several hands. Even if the EULA is binding for the original buyer, it is doubtful if it can be enforced against the new owner, since he was not party to the original contract. In our example, the original buyer might be the wholesaler and the new owner might be some small software shop that likes to unbundle OEM software.
At that point, it becomes quite difficult for the software manufacturer to ensure all dealers are under a contract not to ignore the EULA. I guess Microsoft did not want to deal with that and simply gave up.
C - the footgun of programming languages
First of all, just because you posted from a Mac, that doesn't mean you own a Mac. For all we know, you posted from a friend's computers because it was the only thing available.
/. with Macs, Linux boxes, and Windows machines galore).
I'm not saying every piece of software does this, but I own several that use the same disk to install on Windows AND Mac. So no, you don't ALWAYS have to rebuy your software. Some of it, I have no doubt, but possibly not all of it. Like I said, third party software (software that's not owned by Microsoft or Apple) sometimes has this capability. Also, OSS is a viable option, whether or not people like to admit it (and no, I'm not saying everyone should switch completely over to OSS, but unless you need capabilities found only in a certain proprietary title, OSS is a good alternative to things like Office). Not to mention that the biggest compatibility problem with Macs in the past was that they ran on the PowerPC architecture, so it wasn't merely a different OS, but different hardware as well. That point it moot now, and developers only need worry about a different OS in the future.
You're argument about the PS/2 mouse/keyboard has merit, but adapters are fairly cheap, and I know for a fact that Dynex adapters from Best Buy work on Macs (I bought one to use on an iMac that I had, and according to the website, they're even compatible on Sun platforms). Again, you're right in the fact that many monitors aren't DVI, but you can get a 19" DVI LCD for less than $200 (or pay $20 for an adapter that may work for their purposes). So, for the price of a new HP or Gateway with similar specs (and I can pretty much guarantee you, that if you go into an electronics store to buy a computer, you'll come out with more than just the machine, tack on a service plan for around $100, and possibly some sort of security setup for at least $80, that $800 computer has now become a grand), you can now have an Apple. Not to mention the money you'll save from not having to update subscriptions of NAV and Spysweeper (or having to buy them at all).
I don't have the proverbial rose-colored glasses on when it comes to Apple or OSS, I simply keep an open mind about viable alternatives, which both are, and try to correct the FUD and other crap that I see about them, while still acknowledging any downfalls I find (and you may want to check that MacBook and make sure it's battery hasn't been recalled, by the way). Your points work both ways, whether switching from Mac to Windows or vice versa, which is probably why more people don't switch either way (then you have geeks like those of us on
And another thing, you might have more credibility to the Mac/OSS people if your name wasn't "MSFanBoi2", which implies bias in favor of Microsoft, and was more neutral, instead.
True that it wouldn't "get you legit" but it would make it where WGA wouldn't lock the computer up anymore, wich is the technical problem.
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Sorry it took so long to respond, I saw your reply early this morning but had to head off to work. (I make it a rule to avoid Slashdotting at work!)
Actually, the OP said "they are afraid of deleting everything and having to reinstall all their programs". Fear can cause reluctance, but doesn't mean a solution should be overlooked as "offtopic". Some people, for example, are afraid of doctors. This doesn't mean we should overlook encouraging a trip to the hospital in the unfortunate circumstance of a heart attack.
To take our example further, diet is a factor that contributes to some heart problems. A patient may be reluctant to change their diet, even to one that will help preserve their life. However, this doesn't mean we should overlook encouraging them to eat more healthily.
The decision to keep using Windows may not be life-threatening. However, fear of a fresh install (which, unless a corporate license is made available, may be required anyway) should not stop us from encouraging a properly planned switch to a more stable, secure operating system legally available for $200 less than retail Windows XP and free from the constraints of a Windows license. Certainly, we shouldn't regard such a recommendation as being "offtopic".
Buy a new copy of Windows with a legit key. You just need the key. Go to the following REGISTRY key and change one of the bits to de-activate windows. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WPAEvents "OOBETimer" This will allow you to re-run the activation tool which has a button to change the serial. %systemroot%\system32\oobe\msoobe.exe /a
Choose to activate over phone and you'll get the button to change the serial.
Enter the new serial then just exit the tool and reboot. No need to complete activation.
After reboot all is well.
Nowhere have I said that a new windows install is never necessary, and I am certainly aware of the virtues of a clean install. I'm not saying I never do them, but rather that in most circumstances that I find myself in as a consultant, I rarely find them necessary or in the customer's best interests. BTW- I'm speaking exclusively of Win2k and XP here... the story is completely different for previous versions, which I rarely encounter these days. If the registry is corrupted and there's not a recent system restore backup available, or if they hard drive has failed badly enough to prevent grabbing a good image, or of the customer truly doesn't care for their configuration or data and there's a quick OS restore function... then I'll happily do a re-install.
But what gets my goat are consultants who do them because they think they know best, without taking into account the customer's actual situation and needs. I know this happens frequently because of the horror stories I hear from my clients. I feel confident that I'm not leaving behind the same unwitting "trail of destruction" because my business is driven entirely at this point by repeat business and referrals- I'm actually turning away business these days. And my rates are higher than average. If I were not meeting my customer's needs, I doubt they'd be coming back as they do.
I'll offer two possible explanations for what clearly is a massive cognitive gap between us:
1. I guess I really just don't find cleanups that difficult or time consuming. If they took 3-4 hours then I'd be agreeing with you. But what I commonly find is that, especially with recent fast machines, I can do a cleanup in 1-1.5 hours, including install of decent protection software. I'm really not kidding. And I'm not getting called back for re-dos (which I don't charge for) because the machine is still infected. When I compare that with the cost, risk, and time involved in a rebuild, it rarely makes sense to do the latter.
2. There are aspects to my business which may differ significantly from most. First, I work in a rather affluent area, and typically on-site... I'm not a "carry-in" shop. Most of my clients are not "grandma" types who just do e-mail and web... many are work-at-home professionals, and thus have comparatively elaborate systems. Another generalization... they prefer "full service" rather than "fast and cheap". Thus, when I do a rebuild, I'm not leaving folks with a bare windows install- rather I'm putting the machine back as close to the functionality they previously had, which typically includes office suite, e-mail client (configured for their host), A/V, anti-spyware, backup, printer drivers, digital camera / photo software, and personal finance software, just to name the most common things. So a rebuild is typically a more expensive, elaborate affair than the typical carry-in shop does.
Anyway, I would love to take you up on your offer of a "rebuild" vs "cleanup" face-off... sounds like fun! Name the time and place (as long as it's in Metro D.C....). You give me a badly infected machine. I'll give you a typical "real world" configuration scenario from one of my customers. Of course, to be fair, you get to wait while they track down the install media in a badly-organized file drawer with software dating back to 1992, only to discover their daughter probably took it with her when she went off to college. And call their accounting software company for the product key they've lost. And find their ISP dialup information they use when they're on the road but forgot to mention before you started the re-install. And... and...
-R
Right, but you can upgrade Home to a Pirated Corporate, then Repair install the licensed OEM Pro over it ;)
"I can't give you a brain, so I'll give you a diploma" - The Great Oz (blatently stolen sig)
True. I was operating under the assumption that the new legal copy of Windows would be Home, not Pro.
Sorry for the delayed reaction, but we used to have a saying, that the best sysad was usually the first true black hat in.
There are at least two games in play here, and it sounds like you're pretty good at shutting down the rape-and-pillage crowd.
These days, many of the moderately skilled crackers are more interested in not letting people know they are there, so they tend to just hide their own private back doors instead of risking exposure by tightening boxes down, especially MSWindows boxes that come cheap anyway. A skilled cracker is also likely to examine the potential host and only drop a private back door on a box that looks especially valuable for some reason.
You're taking a gamble, when you just clean the box, that the box in question is not "interesting" in the quieter game.
I think, if I were you, I'd at least make rich kids and people who have repeats pay for a re-install, installation of a router with a firewall if they don't have one, and setting up and training them to use a non-admin user account.
I'd be pushing them to get off MSWindows, too.
It's a game of odds, but I'd be trying to get my customers to play the better odds.