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What To Do With All of My Gadget Chargers?

legoman666 writes "On my desk I have chargers for the following gadgets: Nokia N810, LG Chocolate, Sony Ericcson Z310a, Canon Powershot SD1000, Cowan iAudio X5L, Lenovo Thinkpad, Logitech MX1000 and my Nintendo DS. Not a single pair of them share a similar connector. I have two power strips whose singular purpose is to energize these chargers. My question to Slashdot is: How do you organize all of your different chargers? Please, share your secrets."

696 comments

  1. Insomnia by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 5, Funny

    I organize mine alphabetically by manufacturer. It gives me something to do on the nights that I can't sleep.

    But no matter how sleep-deprived I am, I would never submit such drivel to slashdot, nor, were I an editor, would I post it.

    1. Re:Insomnia by uigin · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I have to agree. How did this make the homepage? Shouldn't this go in Slashdot Idle?

    2. Re:Insomnia by b4upoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Organizing those dongles is beyond human efforts. The only real way to deal with those stupid things is to have a tray beneath the rear of the desk to keep their power strips hidden. Then run the wires underneath the desktop and fish the ends up through a hole near where you will plug in the gimmicks that use them.
                Every time I look at mine I feel guilty for not having a smoke alarm hanging above them.

    3. Re:Insomnia by HungryHobo · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I agree. This is the most pointless thing I've seen on the front page in a while.

    4. Re:Insomnia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      The editor is kdawson. He often posts this sort of rubbish, and as you just found out mods down anyone who dares critcize him. I wish the other mods would beat this guy up.

    5. Re:Insomnia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I agree as well, lame stories such as this shouldn't ever be posted to the front page of Slashdot! On the other hand, whining about which stories and questions are posted, and 'me too' replies to them, keep me fascinated, please tell us more of your expert editing opinions. If at all possible, please continue to do so without any humor, off hand insight, or any other redeemable content, as we all are better knowing that you too, have felt like your time is wasted.

    6. Re:Insomnia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be new nere.

    7. Re:Insomnia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AMEN

    8. Re:Insomnia by Sj0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That seems like a silly thing to say.

      Just use the USB charger for everything. I know my camera, my phone, my mp3 player, and my Nintendo DS all charge off my USB.

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      It's been a long time.
    9. Re:Insomnia by madmoravian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How about something like this gadget station? http://thewoodwhisperer.com/episode-57-gadget-station-pt-1/

    10. Re:Insomnia by maxume · · Score: 4, Funny

      Getting a USB port installed in your body also seems like a drastic step.

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    11. Re:Insomnia by bestinshow · · Score: 1

      My phone has a USB port and cable, but doesn't charge off it, stupid Nokia. On the other hand they've kept the chargers reasonably stable in the past.

      What I want is:

      * A single standard mini-USB port definition
      * All mobile devices to be able to charge from USB
      * The plug-charger should be a USB port providing wall wart.

      It's not that difficult is it!?

    12. Re:Insomnia by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      Stop buying devices with integrated batteries. Buy devices that use external batteries, and get a charger. Simple.

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      -1 Uncomfortable Truth
    13. Re:Insomnia by Stonent1 · · Score: 1

      To me this submission to Slashdot seems more like a "look at me and all my cool stuff!" "It's tough being me!" attention whoring.

    14. Re:Insomnia by Chaos+Incarnate · · Score: 1

      How the hell does a DS charge off a USB port? Unless the DS Lite changed the power port (always possible), it doesn't exactly have anywhere to plug in a USB cable...

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      Benford's Corollary to Clarke's Law: "Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced."
    15. Re:Insomnia by argux · · Score: 1

      That was exactly what I was thinking. And no, the power port on a DS Lite is not USB. It's as small as the mini USB port, but it's quite different.

    16. Re:Insomnia by norminator · · Score: 1

      Stop buying devices with integrated batteries. Buy devices that use external batteries, and get a charger. Simple.

      So then you not only have a whole charger taking up an outlet and all adjacent outlets, but you also have to remove the battery from the device to charge it? I agree about not having non-removable/non-replaceable batteries (e.g. iPod, etc), but when it comes to charging, why would I want to have to remove my batteries for each device and plug them all into the wall? That's worse than having all of the wall warts, where you can at least put the devices out on your desk and have them on while they charge.

      I think you missed the point of the questions asked by the GPP and the OP.

    17. Re:Insomnia by tiananmen+tank+man · · Score: 1

      Thats probably why you aren't the editor. As of viewing this story now, it has over 400 posts to it. Looks like the editors know what stories get page views.

    18. Re:Insomnia by Altus · · Score: 1

      And a charger for each of the proprietary batteries for each of your devices, plus an extra battery for each so you can still use the device while charging a battery.

      Yea, sounds like a great solution.

      --

      "In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women..." -H. Simpson

    19. Re:Insomnia by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Integrated batteries allow for a longer battery life per charge, and with USB, a more convenient charge cycle. Dealing with dragging an AC power unit everywhere is a pain when you can just have a mini-usb plug in all your computers.

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      It's been a long time.
    20. Re:Insomnia by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      You can buy a portability pack for the DS, which'll set you back like 20 bucks. Comes with a protective case, some game cases, and more importantly, a USB to GBA and NDS power cable and a 12V to USB power cable.

      I don't even bother keeping track of that grey thing anymore. If I'm on the road, my DS can be charged by my laptop. If I'm at home, my DS can be charged from my PC.

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      It's been a long time.
    21. Re:Insomnia by billcopc · · Score: 1

      * The plug-charger should be a USB port providing wall wart.

      You mean, like, a hub ?

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    22. Re:Insomnia by gsmraxe · · Score: 1

      Who's the more foolish? The fool who posted this or the fool who whined about this post in a postback?

    23. Re:Insomnia by Metaphorically · · Score: 1

      That's the one thing I don't like about my new Nokia e51. It checks all the other feature boxes for me (unlocked, microsd, camera, wifi, voip, bluetooth, 3rd party apps) but not that one. Thankfully there are USB chargers for it that are cheap and small and one is speeding to my house from Hong Kong as I type. I really don't get why the built-in USB port on the phone can't be used for charging.

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    24. Re:Insomnia by mjeppsen · · Score: 1

      Your ideas are intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

    25. Re:Insomnia by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      And a charger for each of the proprietary batteries for each of your devices, plus an extra battery for each so you can still use the device while charging a battery.

      Straw man argument anyone? Who said anything about proprietary batteries? Batteries have been standardized for decades. It's not a big deal to have 20 AA and 20 AAA batteries, a charge tester and a recharging station.

      If it doesn't use standard batteries, don't buy it. The problem was solved long ago, and all you have to do is decide it's non-optional when it comes time to spend your money. If you choose not to do so, it's your own fault.

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      -1 Uncomfortable Truth
    26. Re:Insomnia by Altus · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, when you said "integrated" I read that as iPhone like, non user replaceable batteries.

      That said, if you stick to only gadgets that use AA or AAA batteries you are going to be very limited in your selection of electronics.

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      "In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women..." -H. Simpson

    27. Re:Insomnia by Holmwood · · Score: 1

      Well, where do you get 20 AA or AAA lithium ion batteries?

      You don't, typically because these operate at 3.7 V per cell instead of the nominal 1.2 (NiMH) or 1.5V (alkaline) per cell of more conventional batteries.

      Moreover, putting Lithium Ion batteries in a conventional charger might cause the cell to catch on fire.

      So if you want to keep everyone using bog-standard AA/AAA batteries, you're locking yourself out of the best battery technology.

      Not, in my view, a great idea.

      There's often a sound engineering reason why some things are done in ways that seem peculiar at first glance.

    28. Re:Insomnia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You submitted this story to the wrong site. Try www.lifehacker.com

      /each site has a personality
      //this comment is fark style
      ///slashies!

    29. Re:Insomnia by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      That said, if you stick to only gadgets that use AA or AAA batteries you are going to be very limited in your selection of electronics.

      There's a ton of crap on the market. I don't consider limiting my selection to items that meet the definition of "not crap" to be a problem.

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      -1 Uncomfortable Truth
    30. Re:Insomnia by thompson.ash · · Score: 1

      What??? Companies would have to... work... to a standard...

      They'll never do it!

      Personally I reckon they get too much of a giggle from reading threads like this.

      Every time someone posts something like this they get straight onto the R&D guys "Right lads, New chargers. Whadda ya got?"

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      I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was going blame you for it!
  2. Through them out by rolfc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You don't need all those gadgets, and you would save your self a lot of money in the future.

    1. Re:Through them out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He means "Throw", not "Through".

    2. Re:Through them out by Xiph · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or as the khalif of baghdad, when it was taken by mongolian forces.

      You should be placed in a tower, with all your gadges, and the the doors should be sealed, and all the windows should be barred, and you would no bread nor water delivered for thirty days, for you are so happy for your gadgets, that i can only conclude you can live on them!

      There, i've made a reference to Marco Polo on slashdot, although sort of half-assed but hey...

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    3. Re:Through them out by canix · · Score: 1

      No, he meant "Through them, out!"

    4. Re:Through them out by John2583 · · Score: 1

      Yes, do you really need that many gadgets? I know that there is some overlap in those products and you definitely have two mobile phones and an "internet tablet."

  3. side by side!! by Unclenefeesa · · Score: 3, Funny

    on a longer power strip would be an obvious solution !!

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    1. Re:side by side!! by anss123 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've noticed that the power warts get quite hot. I'm not comfortable keeping them plugged in all the time. On off switches on the strip is in this case useless since you need to keep it on almost always (since something is charging). Ahh, luxury problems. Aren't they sweet?

    2. Re:side by side!! by Confuse+Ed · · Score: 1

      Power strips exist that have individual on-off switches for each socket (though they seem uncommon).

      As an aside - the situation does seem to be improving with more manufacturers implementing charging over USB (eg. Sony playstation controllers, Garmin GPS units).
      I assume that the additional cost of an internal DC-DC converter (if required) is offset a little by not having to have separate connectors for data-transfer and battery charging : and once enough different devices use USB they won't need to include a charger bundled with every item (more savings for the manufacturer)

    3. Re:side by side!! by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Meh, I modified a drawer in my "back of the couch table" to have a power strip in it, I then tied up all the plugs with tyewraps and made a charging drawer. Open drawer, plug in and charge item/items. Attached to the power strip is a $3.95 light timer that turns the strip on and off. On an hour before I get home and off when I leave for work. This works great and reduces the parasitic load on my electric bill. Plus everything is out of sight.

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    4. Re:side by side!! by MagdJTK · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've noticed that the power warts get quite hot.

      Indeed. And all that heat is wasting a lot of energy. Everyone should turn things they're not using off at the wall (or unplug them of course). It's incredible the amount of energy that's being wasted in this way.

    5. Re:side by side!! by wooferhound · · Score: 1

      Wall warts pull power out of the wall even when they are not charging your shiny gadget. In fact this Idle current can be from 4 to 20 watts. They are using power to heat up so hot while doing nothing. This can add up substantially over a months time, increasing your utility bill. So it is best to put these small power supplies on a switched power strip just to save money on your Power Bill.

      Not to mention the fact that you may have a power strip that has 6 outlets on it, but you can only plug 2 or 3 Wall Warts into it, so you end up with a spider of power strips.

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    6. Re:side by side!! by lorax · · Score: 1

      You should check how much energy the light timer uses, it is quite possibly more than the parasitic load of the chargers.

      Cheap light timers can use 2 or 3 watts, unloaded chargers usually are a lot less than a watt.

    7. Re:side by side!! by hankwang · · Score: 1

      Wall warts pull power out of the wall even when they are not charging your shiny gadget. In fact this Idle current can be from 4 to 20 watts.

      It depends on the type, though. The older ones have a heavy iron-core transformer inside that draws current and dissipates it over the resistance of the thin wire of the primary winding; they get hot whether you use them or not. But more and more wall warts are based on switching power supplies, at least over here in Netherlands. They are usually quite light-weight compared to the old-style transformers, and they usually don't get warm at all when not in use, which also means that they don't waste any energy.

      By the way, I haven't seen any wall wart that consumes feels hot enough to be consuming 20 watts.

    8. Re:side by side!! by smoker2 · · Score: 1

      They do make strips with individual switches for each outlet now ...

    9. Re:side by side!! by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      nope less than 1 watt it's electronic and only uses power when it's energized the relay and then it draws 1 watt.

      I got addicted to the parasitic load chasing, and switching on and off 5 chargers saved me 13 watts in standby.

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      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    10. Re:side by side!! by jgijanto · · Score: 1

      Its those damned energy vampires at work.

    11. Re:side by side!! by spidey3 · · Score: 1

      My power strip is longer than yours!

    12. Re:side by side!! by plover · · Score: 1

      Well, thank you for letting me know what the payback of that effort was for you. I've decided that 13 watts here or there no longer matters in my house. My wife grows orchids under high pressure sodium lights (yes, they're the yellow street light variety), and recently purchased an orchidarium that is illuminated by some ultrabright fluorescents.

      It's the coolest summer in 10 years around here, but my electric bill's shot up by an extra hundred dollars a month. As a bonus, my basement windows pour out this weird golden glow like some mutating sci-fi radiation is present. Not to mention they're shining on all these really odd plants that look like they're locked up in a giant glass case for our protection.

      I could hunt down and kill every wall wart in my house, and might save two dollar's worth of electricity over the month. It's not going to change the bill by a percent.

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      John
  4. News for nerds? by Kuroji · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or stuff that matters? I'm trying to figure out which this falls under, because it doesn't look like it's remotely close to either of them.

    1. Re:News for nerds? by lucas+teh+geek · · Score: 1

      just wait until the response from someone who's built their own power supply to power 20 different chargers simultaneously, while defying the laws of thermodynamics. then it'll be news for nerds

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    2. Re:News for nerds? by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Some of use nerds have "wives", and desks messed up with mountains of chargers has a low WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor)... Anything with a low WAF will lower the chances of wife-provided entertainment, a.k.a. sex.

      It matters, my friend. It truly matters. ;)

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    3. Re:News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ah, a newlywed I see.

      chance_of_sex = 1 / (year_of_marriage + number of children - WAF/1000)

      As you can see, prior to marriage, a high WAF can actually be detrimental (she'll think you are gay). But after a few years of marriage and/or children the WAF becomes all but meaningless.

    4. Re:News for nerds? by Gewalt · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      This would have been a good article if TFS had touched on the fact that *CHINA*, of all places, has outlawed the practice of using non-standard charging connections for electronic devices. Meanwhile, back home in the usa, we allow electronics manufacturers to walk all over us. Ain't it grate?

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    5. Re:News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of us wives on the other hand like to play around with your gadgets. Not allowing us to play with them lowers your personal WAF, and on the other hand letting us play with them might not leave enough time to provide you with that "wife-provided entertainment". Quite a dilemma.

          -One Actual Nerdy Wife :)

    6. Re:News for nerds? by DoktorTomoe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How eerily accurate, even for the Wife Beta-version (aka. "SignificantOther")

    7. Re:News for nerds? by Life+Liberty+Freedom · · Score: 1

      Yes, because the government should mandate things like that.

    8. Re:News for nerds? by Gewalt · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      They mandated the usage of common standards to prevent consumer abuse. Yes, the government should indeed mandate things like that. Ab-so-fucking-lute-ly

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    9. Re:News for nerds? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Funny

      And some wives have their own "gadgets" that require chargers.

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    10. Re:News for nerds? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, because the government should mandate things like that.

      That's the first insightful comment you have ever made, #1345021.

      That's exactly the kind of thing government should mandate, just like the shape of the plug that goes into the wall and the gauge of wire that should be built into new houses.

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    11. Re:News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, please. This is Slashdot! You're going to have to deal with an incredibly low signal to noise ratio on the "wife" issue alone. Once you start dragging sex into it, well, are you familiar with the concept of infinitely small numbers?

    12. Re:News for nerds? by palemantle · · Score: 1

      Some of use nerds have "wives"

      He lies!

      What's that you say? He isn't lying? You sure mate? He even mentioned *sex*!

      *walks away shaking his head sadly*

    13. Re:News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      prove it

      ASL

      you have to prove it!

    14. Re:News for nerds? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Your fault for not marrying a nymphomaniac or high sex drive. They want it all the time. Upset at a pile of chargers? she wants it now. forgot to do the dishes? she wants it now. Did not put down the toilet seat? SHE WANTS IT NOW!!!!!

      Mine wants to have sex when she is pissed. In fact it's best when she is.

      Angry sex ROCKS!!!!

      Honestly, I don't know why any of the prudes out there that don't put out a lot ever get married, what use is it to marry a barbie doll when you cant play with it on a regular basis?

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    15. Re:News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they run on AA batteries.

    16. Re:News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "wives"

      You must be new here... welcome to /.

    17. Re:News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting trivia: LELO rechargeable vibrators use the same power supplies as most 2.5" external drive enclosures, even with the same size plug.

    18. Re:News for nerds? by Random+Walk · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ah, no children I see.

      chance_of_sex = 1 / (year_of_marriage + 5*number of children - WAF/1000)

    19. Re:News for nerds? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, because governments, particularly the Chinese one, have never ever been abused by a dominant company to exclude any competition. Who holds the patents on USB chargers? This admiration of the totalitarian government of China is baffling.

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    20. Re:News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or stuff that matters?

      I'm trying to figure out which this falls under, because it doesn't look like it's remotely close to either of them.

      Ah, if you're having a hard time finding relevance to this post within Geekdom, a member you are not. Now leave the rest of us alone whilst we collectively untangle our corded adapter rats nest behind our desk.

    21. Re:News for nerds? by Gewalt · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      This is not admiration, it is highlighting a situation of irony.

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    22. Re:News for nerds? by Kibblet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have more gadgets than Mr. Kibblet. Two laptops, my cell phone (and the kids have one each, so that's three), my PDA, and two laptops. Oh, a camera, a carpet sweeper and my hand vac. He just has a cell phone. I believe Martha Stewart made a cute little container to deal with this problem. Put the powerstrip inside a box you decorated, and drill holes for the wires to come out of. I've seen stuff like this for sale, too. They are called CHARGING STATIONS. They've been around for ages. (Some fancypants stores call them "Charging Valets".) Next someone will be asking where we can buy stuff to cover our feet when we leave the house or something.

    23. Re:News for nerds? by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Who holds the patents on USB chargers? This admiration of the totalitarian government of China is baffling.

      If the device has a USB socket, they;ve already paid that. Anyway, I can buy a USB charger here (Hong Kong) for about $2. So score one for totalitarian government. Enjoy your democratic right to be screwed by monopolistic capitalists.

    24. Re:News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The shy ones, perhaps. The wild and crazy ones use gadgets that run off of eight D batteries.

    25. Re:News for nerds? by dargaud · · Score: 1

      Italia has 3 standard power plugs, and several other ancient ones still found in some houses. I always need to use a screwdriver and knife when hooking a power adapter !

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    26. Re:News for nerds? by gnud · · Score: 1

      Well, I love the fact that you have 3 instead of 2, since the third is the EU-standard. That means that I didn't have to buy any adaptors when I visited Italy this spring.

    27. Re:News for nerds? by agnosticanarch · · Score: 1

      Makes me want to just watch the first part of 40 Year Old Virgin again... being sure to stop it before the first time he sells anything on eBay.

      ~AA

      --
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    28. Re:News for nerds? by wooferhound · · Score: 1

      You can make most of a Mastercharger from a computer power supply
      http://www.wikihow.com/Convert-a-Computer-ATX-Power-Supply-to-a-Lab-Power-Supply

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    29. Re:News for nerds? by MartinB · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some of us have "wives"

      You're new here, aren't you? Either she goes, or we revoke your /. login.

      --

      The only thing you can accurately describe as "Scotch" is a sticky tape made by 3M. And it's

    30. Re:News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why should that be mandated?

      go ahead and have a crazy-shaped outlet in your house. knock yourself out! just don't expect to find any plugs that fit into it.

      standardization happens inevitably when it's in everyone's best interest to do so. in the case of plugs, if someone had a non-standard plug, no one would be able to use it.

      another example: there's no government mandate dictating the size of a CD or DVD. they're the same size because mass production requires they be the same size, and anyone who wants to play this game has to play along.

      obviously no one cares that much about the various shapes of charging devices, or standardization would have happened all by itself.

    31. Re:News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And some wives have their own "gadgets" that require chargers.

      They have chargers? I thought they just took normal batteries.

    32. Re:News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually most of those "gadgets" don't have chargers :D They have use an internationally accepted, easily obtainable and small sized power source called "AA battery". You nerds should take some time to play around with those "gadgets" of ours, or let us show you how to use them :D

        -Nerdy Wife :)

    33. Re:News for nerds? by C0vardeAn0nim0 · · Score: 1

      imagine if the government didn't mandate a standard type of power outlet, or a standard voltage on them, or a standard current type (AC instead of DC), or standard positioning of control pedals on cars...

      the situation that'd arrive from that is the same that arrives from not having a standard type of charger: CHAOS!!!

      here's my sugestion:

      - USB: for anything requiring 5V or less
      - Firewire: anything requiring from 9V to 30V

      problem solved.

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      What ? Me, worry ?
    34. Re:News for nerds? by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Why? Because it makes things more convenient for you? This is not a good reason to have the government mandating things like this. We need less government control, less laws, not more.

      If the electronic companies had any sense, they would release compatible chargers for at least there own devices, this would surely mean a boon in business. Then again, maybe not. Maybe they make more money now.

    35. Re:News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of use nerds have "wives", and desks messed up with mountains of chargers has a low WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor)... Anything with a low WAF will lower the chances of wife-provided entertainment, a.k.a. sex.

      It matters, my friend. It truly matters. ;)

      That's Insightful? Not Funny? I must be reading Slashdot!

    36. Re:News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This whole conversation keeps you from getting laid.

    37. Re:News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is this "Wife" thing you are talking about? WiFi-over-Ethernet?..

    38. Re:News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of use nerds have "wives", and desks messed up with mountains of chargers has a low WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor)

      Dontcha love these cutsey jerks who have to make up a TLA which they coyly explain in parens immediately following? Look up fucking "hapax legomenon" on google, for Christ's sake.

      ... Anything with a low WAF will lower the chances of wife-provided entertainment, a.k.a. sex.

      It matters, my friend. It truly matters. ;)

      Pussy-whipped son of a bitch. What do you think of her deskfull of hair stylers, potions, brushes, etc.? If she wants to withhold sex, use your non-standard-adapter cellphone to call a hooker.

      Any bitch who thinks she can trade sex for a "neat desktop" should have a set of divorce papers dropped on her bed.

    39. Re:News for nerds? by misterooga · · Score: 1

      My wife came up with this concept: use a small gift bag...with decorative patterns. We have a small gift bag (size that will fit a book or two) lying around beside our sofa with all the small gadget stuff such as rechargers, headsets, my notebook wireless card, etc. It looks cute and we know where things are. Granted they do get tangled once in a while but it's not so bad.

    40. Re:News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next someone will be asking where we can buy stuff to cover our feet when we leave the house...

      Leave the house????

    41. Re:News for nerds? by the+grace+of+R'hllor · · Score: 1

      Governments job is to enforce the tedious-but-useful things that are a benefit to their whole nation without providing drawbacks for their citizens. I think this qualifies.

      More government control on corporations out to lock in consumers while wasting tremendous amounts of electricity is a good thing.

    42. Re:News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wives? Wow man. How do you get a positive WAF when the first wife finds out about the second, or vice versa?

    43. Re:News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before marriage and children, this number is negative, unless WAF is negative.

    44. Re:News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      re:
      chance_of_sex = 1 / (year_of_marriage + number of children - WAF/1000)

      so I score 1/0 or infinity.

      Does that mean I should be having infinite sex?

    45. Re:News for nerds? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

      After being married for 20 years, the gadget my wife needs are powered by 2-stroke gasoline engines. During the summer when we have the windows open, the neighbors sometimes ask why we're running our lawnmower indoors.

      And let me tell you, it's not easy yanking the starter cord when I'm wearing handcuffs.

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    46. Re:News for nerds? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      We need less government control, less laws, not more.

      I disagree.

        I understand that this is the conventional wisdom, and after a few decades of the mainstream media parroting the GOP talking point it's become fashionable to say, but it's surprising how few people can actually articulate why this is so.

      Let's look at 4 major industries that have seen the biggest reduction in government regulation:

      1. Banking/Investment Brokerages
      2. Telecommunications
      3. Airlines
      4. Energy

      Isn't it interesting that in each of these major examples of deregulation, the result has been to the detriment of the consumer/citizen and in half the cases the near destruction of the industry itself? In the case of the banking industry, deregulation may very well result in a depression-level disaster for the entire country! I'd say to all you puffed-up free market fools: can you show me a major industry that has been deregulated where the consumer has benefited?

      So here's an idea, mgblst. Next time you feel inclined to talk about how regulation is a bad thing, why don't you spend a few minutes to actually make sure that's the case instead of just saying so because you read it at Investors Business Daily?

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    47. Re:News for nerds? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      desks messed up with mountains of chargers has a low WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor)

      Speak for yourself. Most of the chargers in the mountain on my desk are my wife's!

    48. Re:News for nerds? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Why? Because it makes things more convenient for you?

      No, because it makes things more convenient for vast majority of people.

      This is not a good reason to have the government mandating things like this.

      Actually, utilitarianism on a large scale is precisely the reason for government's existence, so yes, it is a very good reason.

    49. Re:News for nerds? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Who holds the patents on USB chargers

      Even if someone does, the government could just as easily dismiss it.

      I fail to see how this would be a bad thing overall. Mandated standardization worked wonderfully for power connectors, why not here?

    50. Re:News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the problem is that it takes time for the free markets to sort themselves out, and no one has the patience to wait for it or the stomach to deal with the inevitable casualties while waiting.

      a free market operates better than a regulated one. BUT when you have a regulated market that suddenly finds itself free, there is a a painful adjustment. that's the price that would need to be paid, but no one wants to pay it in order to reach the other side.

      is it the fault of the free market proponents that their best laid plans have been forever screwed by government regulation that will make it impossible to switch? or is it the fault of the governments and their supporters who never should have gotten involved in the first place?

  5. organize them according to their risk level by extirpater · · Score: 5, Funny

    Risk of Exploding
    1- nokia
    2- dell
    3- sony
    4...

    1. Re:organize them according to their risk level by oodaloop · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't get it. Any vertical list of positive integers on /. should include ??? and Profit! What gives?

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    2. Re:organize them according to their risk level by PKFC · · Score: 1

      Yeah #5 should be explosive profit.. but then it would be closer to the top... Making the punchline before the joke....

    3. Re:organize them according to their risk level by rdnetto · · Score: 1

      But what if they started a chain reaction?

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    4. Re:organize them according to their risk level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get it. Any vertical list of positive integers on /. should include ??? and Profit! What gives?

      Once the list has an entry for Sony, it is impossible to reach profit from that point on.

    5. Re:organize them according to their risk level by eastlight_jim · · Score: 1

      1- nokia
      2- dell
      3- sony
      4...
      5 ???
      6 Profit!

      In that case the ??? appears to be a large multinational corporation making millions of products that you can sell to a consumerist public. I think for once ??? has been succesfully explained.

    6. Re:organize them according to their risk level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they're negative integers, he just placed all the minuses on the right side.

    7. Re:organize them according to their risk level by gabeman-o · · Score: 1

      1. Use above chargers
      2. Become injured by explosion
      3. ???
      4. Profit!

    8. Re:organize them according to their risk level by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      I don't get it. Any vertical list of positive integers on /. should include ??? and Profit! What gives?

      You made up for it by not calling it a list, but rather a "vertical list of positive integers". And yes, I will use that description as soon as possible in public.

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    9. Re:organize them according to their risk level by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      The charger on his keyboard exploded before he could finish the list.

      - RG>

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    10. Re:organize them according to their risk level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3...
      4-induce an explosion
      5-sue...
      6-profit! ;)

  6. USB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pack them all away and get USB charging cables for them all. Much easier and takes up much less space.

    1. Re:USB by Barny · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And will make your USB power fall over and die and blow something up, very creative and "performance art".

      Better:

      500W PSU
      a pair of side cutters
      soldering iron
      a terminal block
      tons of heat-shrink

      Select and solder some heatsinked resistors over the 12v and 5v rails so that you are sinking an amp in each (switchmode PSUs need a constant load).

      Next tap wires for different chargers, 12v and 5v are easy (as almost all are now) 3.3 and 12v will give you around 9v, 5v and 12v will give you 7.

      Then all you need is a nice little cabinet with some ventilation and one power lead and you can dump all your junk in there to charge and GO THE FUCK OUTSIDE AND LEAVE THEM BEHIND!

      A phone, an mp3 player and a camera should do anyone, heck some phones can be your mp3 and camera too now.

      And if you can't follow even a bit of what I said, don't try it :)

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    2. Re:USB by SpooForBrains · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you can get hold of a Blackberry Travel Charger, it serves as a very handy charging plug for all your USB powered devices. Except Sony Ericssons, which, for some reason, will ONLY charge from USB if the USB cable is connected to an actual computer.

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    3. Re:USB by Loibisch · · Score: 1

      And will make your USB power fall over and die and blow something up, very creative and "performance art".

      Ever seen one of those adapters that are basically plugs with an USB outlet? Ever heard of powered USB hubs?

      Noone suggested you have to blow up your PC connecting all those devices at once.

    4. Re:USB by ShadowBlasko · · Score: 1

      Its not just Sony that has that issue. My Motorola V3 Maxx will not charge on a PC unless I have motorola software installed. So I bought a battery style charger, and just recharge the batteries for the charger on the weekend.

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    5. Re:USB by Mike89 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Except Sony Ericssons, which, for some reason, will ONLY charge from USB if the USB cable is connected to an actual computer.

      Another reason I regret buying one :(. My Creative Zen Vision M is the same, which is a PITA. Damn gadget designers, get a clue!

    6. Re:USB by antiseptic_poetry · · Score: 1

      Same as the Creative Zen V or V Plus.

      Mini USB charging port, but will only charge when plugged into a PC where the Creative drivers have been installed. What a retarded design decision.

    7. Re:USB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Don't try it is right. All the power supplies have a common ground - trying to connect 5v and 12v is going to cause smoke to come out the back, not give you 7 volts. (Power supplies tend to be forgiving of shorts to ground, but I've found they're not nearly as forgiving of connecting, say, 12 volts to the 5 volt rail).

    8. Re:USB by hcdejong · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Right, replace a wasteful solution with an even more wasteful one. Running a 500W power supply to supply maybe 20 W on average, dumping another 20W into resistors plus the internal losses of the power supply. It also won't take up less space than the wall warts you replace, plus it requires active cooling (another component to go wrong in the long term, and drive you crazy with noise in the meantime).

      Also, you hardly ever need to charge all your gadgets at once, making your concerns a bit unlikely. And if you overload the USB on a computer, you get a message and the offending port is cut off, instead of smoking the power supply. If you need more power, get a powered hub.

    9. Re:USB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try go to Tandy/RadioShack and buy an 'igo' plus suitable tips. Not the cheapest solution but works plus they have a number of chargers for cars/planes/home etc...

    10. Re:USB by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 1

      Orrrr just buy a USB plug in charger for the wall. Hell, buy one with multiple charging ports for USB. Cheaper, easier, and wastes allot less power. But maybe thats just not dorky enough for some. It's too elegant.

    11. Re:USB by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      Common to many manufacturers. This is done to avoid violating the USB specification - A device is not permitted to draw more than 100 mA without negotiating with a computer.

      There is a de facto standard for signaling the presence of a "dumb" charger to a Mini-USB device (ground a pin that is normally not connected) but this disallows the ability to have a single cable to both sync/charge from PC and charge from a dumb charger. (The grounded pin messes up most device's capability to communicate over USB.)

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    12. Re:USB by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My Verizon phone (a RAZR), has a USB charging port on it, but will NOT accept any other USB charger. If I try to use my Blackberry charger the phone says something like "Unauthorized charger detected" and refuses to charge.

      I'm tempted to call their support line and ask how I can 'authorize' a different charger for my phone.

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    13. Re:USB by fmobus · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's just stupid. And it is not like they don't know how to do it properly. I have a Creative Zen Micro, which is older than model V, that will charge happily on a PC without Creative Drivers. In fact, I've never installed them on my windows partition and just used gnomad on Linux. I'm glad I've never upgraded to the newer models then.

      I am not sure about wall conectors thou. The one time I tried charging connecting to a friend's apple-wallplug-to-usb thingie, it did not work properly and left me without music for a whole 10-hour flight :/.

    14. Re:USB by kdkirmse · · Score: 1

      Choose a power supply that has a zero load requirement. There are a few on the market. Why waste the power if you don't have to. Most chargers of the wall wart variety are very inefficent. A switcher with properly chosen resistor based regulator is going to be no worse.

    15. Re:USB by antiseptic_poetry · · Score: 1

      Yes don't bother upgrading; there is no reason for Creative to do this except to force consumers to buy their offical charger.

      Here's a full thread discussing the issue: http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=dap&message.id=168199&view=by_date_ascending&page=6

    16. Re:USB by Barny · · Score: 1

      Uh, never made a fan-bus or any low voltage stuff for a pc have you? :)

      Its because they have a common ground that it works, you use the 5v rail as a 0v reference and the 12v rail as your vcc, the delta is of course 7v.

      And for all those talking about USB -> plug pack adapters, the whole thing he had issues with was having 2 power boards of plug packs in the first place, this would replace them with a single power lead, be reasonably power efficient (most good switch-modes running under 90% total load will run with over 80% efficiency).

      And no, you wouldn't need a 500W, it was just an example of a typical PSU most people have laying around (too big for a itx box, too small for anything with a good vid card or 2 or a big rack of HDD.

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    17. Re:USB by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      And will make your USB power fall over and die and blow something up, very creative and "performance art".

      You plug them into a hub.

      Der. If it "falls over and dies" (I've never seen that happen), you're out maybe $20 and your computer's perfectly fine.

    18. Re:USB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Choose a power supply that has a zero load requirement.

      You probably didn't know, but those just have the load resisters built in. It would probably be a little more efficient, since the designer can pick the idea load, but there's still a load. It's just internal to the supply.

    19. Re:USB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can fix this by modifying the charger or cable (grounding a pin through a resistor). Someone said that even though it says "unauthorized" it will still charge, but I've never tested that myself. I can't find the link I had before, but this give the general idea.

    20. Re:USB by Jack+Quack · · Score: 1

      Select and solder some heatsinked resistors over the 12v and 5v rails so that you are sinking an amp in each (switchmode PSUs need a constant load).

      Actually, switchmode PSUs do not require a constant load, they usually have the required preload inbuilt to keep the outputs in regulation. Wasting an amp at 12V in a resistor will constantly burn 12 Watts, and you will need a fairly substantial size of resistor to aviod flames.

      Next tap wires for different chargers, 12v and 5v are easy (as almost all are now) 3.3 and 12v will give you around 9v, 5v and 12v will give you 7.

      The trick of using the difference between voltage rails of a power supply may not work as expected, and could lead to catastrophic failure - be warned! For example, let's say you just want 1A at 7V, so you connect your load across the +12 and +5 terminals. The 1A will flow from the +12V, through the load and into the +5V. Therein lies the problem, the 5V rail will be sinking current instead of sourcing it, and it is likely that the voltage on the +5 output will rise much higher that 5V as a result, leading to failure or shutdown of the power supply. Only if the +5 output has a load itself, greater than the 1A required will this scenario be prevented.

    21. Re:USB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >And no, you wouldn't need a 500W, it was just an example of a typical PSU most people have laying around (too big for a itx box, too small for anything with a good vid card or 2 or a big rack of HDD.

      You are joking on the last point, no?

      I am running a dual Xeon with 8 HDDs and 1 CD-ROM. El-cheapo video card, 2 x PVR-150, 1 x PVR-350, 2 x SATA cards, 1 x GB Ethernet card, 1 GB RAM. On an Enermax EG-565 PSU. That's a 535 Watt PSU.

      My wattmeter says 330 Watts peak load, 220 Watts average load on the AC line. And that's with the UPS plugged into the watt meter charging the batteries as well as supplying the computer, too.

      Now, if you're talking 500 cheap-junk PSU watts, sure. But I have a 12000 Watt PMPO soundsystem to sell you...

      [ For those wondering how a PSU that lacks the 8-pin P4 power can power the motherboard, the 6-pin PCI Express connectors works fine IF YOU PLUG IT IN BACKWARDS AND NOT THE "RIGHT" WAY. Yes, I learned from not paying attention my PSU also is nice enough not to even attempt to power on if there's a dead short. *phew* Enermax FTW. ]

    22. Re:USB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not just buy a powered USB hub for the chargers (well, the ones that can work with USB)? As long as you don't try and charge several things at once, I'd think that could do the job just fine.

    23. Re:USB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    24. Re:USB by Barny · · Score: 1

      Most definitely not joking, a lot of cheap PSUs (the ones around the 300W range) drive a lot of juice into the 5v rail but not much into the 12V (stupid idea, since most power on a pc is all 12V now), a cheap 300W PSU with 4 HDD and a "10w via mobo" used as a cheap NAS will usually crap out on you because the 12V is heavily over-drawn.

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    25. Re:USB by Batavier · · Score: 1

      *Bzzzz* *crackle*

       

    26. Re:USB by 400_guru · · Score: 1

      In fact I have done this many years ago. The PSU is on the wall in the basement and the extra pairs of my (ancient) cat-3 infrastructure extend the 5, 7, and 12 volts to the wall jacks. The only wall-wart supplies not removed were for PC speakers which hum when powered from the PSU. The PSU is then connected to a UPS in the basement which means my cordless phones still work in a power outage and don't beep because they can't find the base unit when the power is out. I also calculated approximately $50 power savings annually due to the phenomenal inefficiency of all but the very latest brick power supplies.

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    27. Re:USB by plover · · Score: 1

      Have you measured the voltage present at your wall jacks? 100 feet of typical Cat-3 (24 AWG) is going to add over two ohms of resistance, which might be a significant drop on your typical 5VDC connection.

      I'm curious because someone cautioned me against trying to do the same thing, claiming the voltage drop would be so high it'd never work. But I never ran the math, and I never bothered to test it on a simple coil of wire. Now that I think more about it, I think the guy was full of shit. Two ohms just isn't going to affect it enough.

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  7. Sounds like someone needs to simplify by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're working for your gadgets ... maaan!

  8. Wherever possible, use usb chargers. by DJProtoss · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yes the charge rate is slower, but you need far fewer plugs - I've managed to get usb chargers for all my gadgets ( ds included ) and net result is I only need to manage one plug for the server. ( the number of usb cables is a different question, but they are much easier to manage ).

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    1. Re:Wherever possible, use usb chargers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Genius! I can charge my thinkpad from my thinkpad's USB port! Could this be the solution to the world's energy problems?

    2. Re:Wherever possible, use usb chargers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sometimes its better to have a slow charge...

      fast charges can damage/overheat batteries.

    3. Re:Wherever possible, use usb chargers. by bit01 · · Score: 1

      Yes the charge rate is slower, but you need far fewer plugs - I've managed to get usb chargers for all my gadgets ( ds included ) and net result is I only need to manage one plug for the server. ( the number of usb cables is a different question, but they are much easier to manage ).

      Watch out though; there's plenty of cheap, out-of-spec USB devices out there, both under-current supplies and over-current loads, that can fry whatever they're connected to. I've lost a laptop USB port and a USB hub this way and I've had mysterious laptop problems caused by USB devices pulling down the power.

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    4. Re:Wherever possible, use usb chargers. by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      The opposite is true, too. Devices can be killed by wonky USB ports.

      My father managed to kill 2 MX1000 receivers simply by plugging them into the front of his computer. After getting both RMAd, I bought him a powered USB hub and never had the problem again. (Plugged it into the same port on the front, too!)

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    5. Re:Wherever possible, use usb chargers. by tknd · · Score: 1

      Well it is called Universal Serial Bus.

  9. The power is yours! by Boombox2003 · · Score: 1

    Since they draw little power you could chain two power strips together to save on plug space

  10. How by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I organise them with anger and frustration.

    Thank you

  11. Randomly by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 5, Funny

    I store all my chargers in a drawer. Each time I need one I sort throught them, untangle the wires and curse about it.

    1. Re:Randomly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I store all my chargers in a drawer. Each time I need one I sort throught them, untangle the wires and curse about it.

      exactly like i do.i use 2 drawers :P

    2. Re:Randomly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know why your post got modded as funny. I too use the same technique to "manage" dozen chargers and I can swear there's nothing even secondarily funny about it.

    3. Re:Randomly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do too, except I had the bright idea of putting each one into a plastic baggie. Except the two cell phone chargers that stay plugged in, so every couple of days I yank those out from beside the bed and untangle them and curse about it.

    4. Re:Randomly by -Tango21- · · Score: 1
      While not a total solution, I put a power strip behind a bureau with about four charges hooked up to it. I used velcro straps to collect the cables together and then used a rubber band to hang them collectively on a hook I screwed into the wall a few inches above the top of the bureau. When I want to charge a device I just pick the appropriate charger lead and leave the device charging on top of the bureau. As a bonus, I have a calendar hanging low enough to cover the hook and the top of the wires for a slightly cleaner look.

      For USB, VGA, RJ45, RGB, DVI, etc, I have them in a box in the closet and follow the procedure outline by the parent post.

  12. Plug them out by uigin · · Score: 1

    I keep them in a box. If you leave them plugged in they will continue to use electricity even when they are not charging (or even connected to) a device.

    1. Re:Plug them out by Bazman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Use a power strip with switches on each output, then only switch on the ones you want.

    2. Re:Plug them out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you leave them plugged in they will continue to use electricity even when they are not charging (or even connected to) a device.

      Citation needed.

  13. a great post by QX-Mat · · Score: 3, Funny

    forget the nay sayers... I for one want to see what the /. community do. Do they run a DC ring around the house? Strip the wires and fudge some coins together to make a potential divider? replace the transformers with rodent power?

    I have 4 USB hdds that I've not gotten around to putting in a case yet, because I dont have the cash for a mixed sata/ide jbod server, all of which need their own adaptor. I have a headset that needs an adaptor. My phone charger, and mp3 charger. That's some 7 sockets I'm using on 8 socket power strip, with the 8th going to a another 4 socket in serial to power my PC and high-fi (i know you shouldn't have power strips in parallel... but pfft, im not running a kettle off it like at Uni :D)

    it is a problem. step down transformers are notoriously wasteful. There has to be a better way!?

    1. Re:a great post by QX-Mat · · Score: 1

      Mmmm i did not read that back before posting :(

    2. Re:a great post by HJED · · Score: 1

      put them on a usb hub the you will only have one transformer for all the devices note you may have to buy multiple USB cables with different ends but its good for the environment right?

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    3. Re:a great post by kohaku · · Score: 0

      I, too, tried to run a kettle off all my powerstrips at Uni. Little did I know, they'd limited the sockets to about 5 amps. I could turn on my kettle and the whole corridor would go black for about five minutes :D

    4. Re:a great post by BraksDad · · Score: 1

      "have power strips in parallel" Uhm, do you mean Series? This is /., that kind of detail is important or we have no idea what you are talking about.

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    5. Re:a great post by QX-Mat · · Score: 1

      yeh I neglected to read what I wrote, suffice to say i got it right when i said series first, but having square eyes after so many lines of text today, I decided to subscribe to the book of submit-and-go-make-tea than the one where you read what you spew :( i am a pitiful human being for not reading my slashdot comments :( maybe ill go troll boingboing instead :(

    6. Re:a great post by johndmartiniii · · Score: 1

      I hadn't thought about pet power. This is perfect. Get the kids a hamster. Shit, get them 30, just as long as you can wire up their little wheels into a power collection station. Same goes for the exerbike and weight station. Hamster wheels for everyone!

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  14. Really? by neokushan · · Score: 1

    Do they all NEED to be plugged in at the same time?

    You could get one of those 200-in-1 universal adapter things and keep a note of the power requirements for each device in a handy notepad. Then you can just dump those chargers in a drawer somewhere, where they belong.

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    1. Re:Really? by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 1

      and keep a note of the power requirements for each device in a handy notepad

      What is this "notepad" you're talking about? What's handy about it and where can I download it?

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    2. Re:Really? by rkanodia · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't recommend it. All the versions I've ever seen were just delivery methods for Trojan horses - "win2k" or "vista" or other malware crap.

  15. Just you wait... eg, for "PV panels on every roof" by ivi · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    With some luck, going Solar (eg, with Photo-Voltaic panels, etc.) will see our future homes able to supply DC voltages, directly, without all the chargers.

    It's just a matter of time before PV panels get cheaper to make and/or more efficient at converting solar to electrical power.

  16. Disassemble them all! by ThomsonsPier · · Score: 5, Funny

    Cut off the plugs from all of the cables and solder all of the wires to the output of one transformer, thus enabling you to simultaneously charge all of your devices and cook your dinner on the monstrosity you now have plugged into the wall.

    You may wish to update your fire insurance.

    1. Re:Disassemble them all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not such a bad idea at all!

      From a computer it is fairly easy to supply 5V and 12V to gadgets (and even 7V between them). Some other voltages are possible too. These happen to be the two most common ones in gadgets, however.

      Considering those cheap Chinese AC-DC adapters always seem to burn at full effect no matter if they are actually connected to something, using a common, efficient PSU really makes a difference!

      In addition, a DC-DC charger is very cheap to build compared to an AC-DC one. Maybe USB version 3 will provide enough amperage to power most our gadgets.

      One thing will surely stay the same however: those adapters will still be made in China.

  17. Serious issue! by Swizec · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It does raise a serious issue of why the flying fuck in the sky don't gadgets simply have the same bloody connectors for charging? There's no excuse! If all manufacturers could agree on the USB standard then why can't they make a charger standard?

    1. Re:Serious issue! by ex0a · · Score: 5, Funny

      It does raise a serious issue of why the flying fuck in the sky don't gadgets simply have the same bloody connectors for charging? There's no excuse!

      Your question takes two steps to solve. First, hold shift. Second, press 4.

    2. Re:Serious issue! by kmac06 · · Score: 4, Informative

      For one thing, different gadgets require different voltages. If you hook up the wrong voltage, you can fry the gadget. Different size plugs helps to avoid this. Also, different devices require different amperage. There is no reason to make a rectifier that can handle higher amperage that it really needs, since that adds cost.

    3. Re:Serious issue! by lobiusmoop · · Score: 5, Interesting

      China has already mandated USB charging for all new mobile phones

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    4. Re:Serious issue! by cheater512 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Boost/Buck converters negate those factors.

      E.g. phones which can charge over USB dont use 5v batteries.

    5. Re:Serious issue! by kmac06 · · Score: 1

      It doesn't negate the fact that the rectifier must provide enough amperage for an arbitrary device, adding cost. And the boost/buck converter has some cost associated with its implementation.

    6. Re:Serious issue! by cheater512 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      USB spec says half a amp, less means that the device is charged slower.
      Not a big issue.

      And the regulators are mandatory anyway. CPUs dont run on the 3.7v or so of Lithium cells.

    7. Re:Serious issue! by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, AT THE MOMENT.

      There's no reason why gadgets can't be designed around a particular voltage - look at all the stuff you can buy which plugs into car cigarette lighters.

      Being forced to use 12V doesn't seem to slow anybody down.

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    8. Re:Serious issue! by kmac06 · · Score: 1

      Oh I was talking about a wall plug in charger, not a USB charger. If that was the standard, then yes it would be better, assuming the user did not mind having to use a computer to charge. For some devices that's fine, for others it is a problem.

    9. Re:Serious issue! by rarel · · Score: 5, Funny

      First, hold shift. Second, press 4.

      I have a French keyboard, you insensitive clod!

    10. Re:Serious issue! by v1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One would assume that the manufacturer's motivations remain where they "should" be, to insure profit. If you lose or break a charger, or if it just plain fails, you can either order another one from the manufacturer for some unreasonable amount, or you can buy a whole new unit. I've had to buy a whole new unit on several occasions.

      The packs are almost always marked for voltage and polarity, but the hardware rarely is. (the packs are probably required by UL to be marked) So if you lose the pack you have no idea what the requirements are to replace it yourself. Experimenting is very likely to lead to smoking the equipment. (see first point, I'm sure they're very satisfied with this possibility)

      Most larger airports have a shop that sells a variety of fixed packs and universal packs for travelers that have forgotten to pack the cord to their gadget, cordless razors in particular. I'd be interested to see some input from one of those employees.

      USB only supplies 5vDC nominal, and not at terribly high current, so I don't think that would make a good universal standard. Firewire would be a better choice for current and voltage, but it can vary between what, +12 and +24 or something like that, and isn't nearly as popular to begin with so that's probably also out.

      Many of my toys are 12vDC, of the round pin variety. Polarity is totally random, as is size of the center pin, but many are compatible. If they're going to standardize, this is probably where to go.

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    11. Re:Serious issue! by endemoniada · · Score: 0

      Shift and 4, you say? So, what is supposed to represent?

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    12. Re:Serious issue! by RawGutts · · Score: 1

      That would be the 8th layer of the Nine Hells called marketing department. They just love selling useless bullshit to us poor saps.

    13. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you mean ALT and F4?

    14. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Who$h.

    15. Re:Serious issue! by Bucc5062 · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, Money. Wo$h is ctl-alt-delete

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    16. Re:Serious issue! by ThJ · · Score: 1

      The answer is ... the currency sign?

      (on Norwegian keyboards it's Alt Gr+4 you insensitive clod)

    17. Re:Serious issue! by InakaBoyJoe · · Score: 5, Informative

      Holy ancient links Batman! If China mandated USB charging for all phones in 2006, are all phones in compliance today?

    18. Re:Serious issue! by digitalsushi · · Score: 4, Funny

      I have a better idea -- First, hold Alt. Second, press F4. Thanks!

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    19. Re:Serious issue! by Worminater · · Score: 1

      I have 3 mp3 players; cell phone, and amp which all run on mini-usb; so I have a dock for the cell at work; and a microusb cable on an extender coming around the back up to the front of the desk for easy access. Only thing that is lackign from microusb; is cuncurrent playback + charging; my Zune (gasp) has the best sound quality of anything I have; but proprietary charger for dock :(

    20. Re:Serious issue! by Fizzl · · Score: 1

      'Â'
      I have always wondered what is the purpose of this symbol. So it is a magic solution to charger standard?

      (Latin-1/Scandinavian keyboard)

    21. Re:Serious issue! by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      There is an excuse. Accessories are the profit maker. If they can charge you $48.50 for a cellphone charger then they get to rape you one more time. Making the charger wierd (Nokia, I'm looking at you) even better.

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    22. Re:Serious issue! by quantumphaze · · Score: 1

      My Nokia 6300 has a charger rated at DC 5.0V, 350mA

      USB is rated at 5V and 500mA, more than enough to charge it. Yet even though this phone has a USB port, it doesn't charge from it.

      Why Nokia, why?

    23. Re:Serious issue! by Dikeman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I know a lobbyist who works for a company that makes connectors. He actively lobbies in Brussels against any standard. That's his daywork, he get's paid to do so. His company has thousands of different connectors in production, and standards would make there business les profitable.

    24. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Harmon Kardon GPS charges via mini USB, as does my Sony PSP, as do the PS3 controllers. So clearly some manufacturers are moving in that direction.

    25. Re:Serious issue! by Mooga · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your main problem is having a Zune. Not that there are many good MP3 options out there since apple started screwing the pooch in an endless loop... Seriously, how can you justify a classic iPod's firmware crashing every few days? It's a MP3 player, OS stability should NOT be an issue.

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    26. Re:Serious issue! by ConanG · · Score: 1

      The newly announced N85 can charge from USB

    27. Re:Serious issue! by kipman725 · · Score: 1

      USB is ideal we just need higher current. Like one of the earlier posters said boost/buck converters can turn 5V into anything between 0 - 100V with ease and should be cheaper on a per device basis than a wall power pack. As for replacing power packs you just open the device up and use the continuity test function of your multimeter from the negative or positive lead of a polarised component (eg capacitor) and the ring/tip of the power connection. It's not tricky, the bigger question is have Americans lost the ability to fix things?

    28. Re:Serious issue! by pasm · · Score: 1

      USB is best if a standard can be agreed at the moment it is likely you need stupid drivers to make them work (like the blackberry needing desktop manager or pocketmac). Also the standards will need to be adopted by Apple as well as Microsoft otherwise they are useless (we all know Linux will have a package for it after not too long a delay).

    29. Re:Serious issue! by kiehlster · · Score: 1

      If you're using a mac, this would be one step: hold the mouse button down for a couple seconds.

    30. Re:Serious issue! by jonwil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have owned 3 different Motorola phones and all 3 have used mini USB for charging. All 3 have included or provided a wall-wart charger with a mini USB plug on the end that can charge the phone with no computer needed

    31. Re:Serious issue! by asdir · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What ex0a means is that vendors can sell replacements once you lose the original charger. They could not do that if you could simply replace the lost charger by one for another gizmo. However: Has anyone ever thought about the transformer that is connected with the charger? Not all devices need the same voltage (or whatever is transformed). I think that is the main reason for the multitude of chargers. However, ex0a's (well hidden) argument still applies to many similar areas.

    32. Re:Serious issue! by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1

      I thought they pretty much standardized on mini-USB connectors for charging. If the device has a mini-USB connector anyway then it's an easy decision.

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    33. Re:Serious issue! by lazybeam · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've had several mobile phones from Nokia, and they've all used the same connector (even if the voltage ranges from 3.3 to 5.8 at least it can get you out of trouble). My latest Nokia has a much smaller connector which annoys me. It means I have to carry the charger around instead of just leaving them where I use them (in bedroom, in kitchen, at work...)

      In a related rant, I have several devices that run off 12V. Problem is they use the same connector but some have reverse polarity. Someone has already blown a wireless router by switching its power with a modem's. Even two devices from the same manufacturer suffer this problem (I'm looking at you, D-link). Those DC connectors are good, it would be better is they all had the same polarity!

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    34. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      USB only supplies 5vDC nominal, and not at terribly high current, so I don't think that would make a good universal standard.

      USB 3 allows for up to 900 mA. The voltage issue is solvable. As computers are everywhere and virtually all have USB, there's no need to even take a charger with you all the time.
      Desktop computers can supply USB current even when switched off.

    35. Re:Serious issue! by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      USB charger. If that was the standard, then yes it would be better, assuming the user did not mind having to use a computer to charge...

      In PC accessory shops here I can buy a plug that goes into a power point and provides a USB power socket. Cost about $2. No PC required. Google for "AC to USB Power Adapter".

    36. Re:Serious issue! by steevc · · Score: 1

      I've got a Freeloader solar charger that came with a load of adaptors, including USB. It's a great idea, but doesn't work that well due to taking ages to charge up the internal battery, especially if you cannot leave it outside.

      I charge stuff from USB when I can, but that often involves buying an extra cable.

      For other stuff I plan to set up a charging station in a cupboard with the PSUs plugged into an extension with individual switches mounted under a shelf and cables tied up to minimum possible length.

      I don't have too many gadgets to charge. Couple of phones, PDA and various stuff that runs on AA and AAA. I need a better battery charger to keep those going.

    37. Re:Serious issue! by WCLPeter · · Score: 1

      If that was the standard, then yes it would be better, assuming the user did not mind having to use a computer to charge.

      My Apple branded video docking kit for the iPod came with one of these.

      http://store.apple.com/ca/product/MB051LL/A?fnode=MTY1NDA4NA&mco=MTAxMjUx

      It's a wall plugable USB power source. Not only does it charge my iPod at work, but I use it with my Play 'n Charge kit for the X-Box 360. The 360 is more than 8 feet away, put the wall plug next to my chair isn't. I don't see a reason that a company couldn't just make a bigger one with 4 ports in it, allowing you to charge most of your USB devices without the need for a rat's nest of bulky adapters.

    38. Re:Serious issue! by lordofthechia · · Score: 1

      I do know that part of the issue is power dissipation. When you're converting 5V (from usb) to what the charger circuit in the cell phone needs, the difference ends affecting power dissipation (in the form of heat). Voltage difference between power source and charger times max current draw = amount of power you need to dissipate at that stage (or simply P=I*V). A charger made specifically with that battery in mind would minimize power wasted (on charging) and would mean less electronics on the phone.

      Now as technology evolves were moving electronics to lower and lower voltages , the batteries that power these would follow suit, and so old power adapters would quickly become excessive. The link shows the trend for RF devices, but the same thing is observed with CPUs.
             

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    39. Re:Serious issue! by maglor_83 · · Score: 1

      It does raise a serious issue of why the flying fuck in the sky don't gadgets simply have the same bloody connectors for charging?

      Or at least so long as they use the same voltage and whatnot. Otherwise nasty things may happen.

    40. Re:Serious issue! by Minwee · · Score: 1

      There is no reason to make a rectifier that can handle higher amperage that it really needs, since that adds cost.

      Except for one little thing. If the industry could standardize on one type of switchable charger with enough amperage to charge just about any device you care to plug into it, then you _wouldn't need to bundle chargers with each device_. That would reduce the cost, not add to it. Even if the standardized charger cost twice as much as the specialized ones, the consumer would end up spending less after buying three devices.

      The question of how much money electronics manufacturers make by screwing their customers on the cost of proprietary chargers is still left open, but you'll have to excuse me if I can't work up too much sympathy for them.

    41. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, shift-4 is Â. How interesting...

    42. Re:Serious issue! by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 1

      Excelent. Finally someone who can tell me just what the bloody hell this sign is:
      That's my shift+4. Google doesn't even seem to know what the hell it is. It looks a little bit like a bomb as seen from behind - main fusulage in the middle and four fins, but surely you aren't suggesting we bomb the manufacturers?

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    43. Re:Serious issue! by aurispector · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Many of my toys are 12vDC, of the round pin variety. Polarity is totally random, as is size of the center pin, but many are compatible. If they're going to standardize, this is probably where to go."

      I keep a well-used voltage tester handy for exactly this reason. This, coupled with an ultra-fine point sharpie marker (those marked "fine" are ballpoints, not markers) means I can mark the volt, amps and polarity somewhere on the device and mark the charger with the device is belongs to - it's amazing how few chargers are marked that way by the manufacturer.

      Rounding out the equipment pack is a hard-to-find 12 VDC car lighter multi voltage converter that has a polarity switch. If a compatible plug isn't already on the converter it isn't hard to figure out which wires to splice. I put on a USB plug, but for items with entirely proprietary connectors you have to sacrifice a wall wart.

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    44. Re:Serious issue! by guruevi · · Score: 1

      iGo chargers? I don't know how they work nor am I affiliated with them. But I have exactly 4 chargers in my home: 2 car chargers (for we have 2 cars), a big charger and a small charger that charge all 3 cell phones, Nokia N800, nintendo ds, 2 powerbooks, gps and a bluetooth headset. Not to mention, the GPS and Bluetooth both use USB. Nokia (for a cell and the n800) has the same 'standard' plug on all their devices.

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    45. Re:Serious issue! by Phreakiture · · Score: 5, Informative

      USB would actually be a good charger standard, for that matter. It works for some phones and cameras (though Moto perverted the spec for the RAZR -- this should be avoided as it is deliberate proprietariness and that's bullshit).

      Anyway, how about some answers? Over at the Gawker Media site Lifehacker, there have been a few suggestions.

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    46. Re:Serious issue! by Atlantis-Rising · · Score: 0, Troll

      And people wonder why I often appreciate non-democratic regimes.

      If the Chinese government wants to say that all cellular handsets sold in China must charge via USB, they just make the rule, and then go ahead and execute everyone who breaks it.

      It's much easier than the standard "Oh, but the market will sort it out!" *wank wank wank* that we often hear.

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    47. Re:Serious issue! by Tongsy · · Score: 1

      But this is only good if your device can be charged by USB

    48. Re:Serious issue! by Zebedeu · · Score: 1

      In Europe, press Alt, then E.

    49. Re:Serious issue! by Knightman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      One would assume that the manufacturer's motivations remain where they "should" be, to insure profit. If you lose or break a charger, or if it just plain fails, you can either order another one from the manufacturer for some unreasonable amount, or you can buy a whole new unit. I've had to buy a whole new unit on several occasions.

      When a charger I own breaks or get lost I stroll to the nearest hotel and asks if they got one of the model I need. The hotels are very happy to get rid of them since they usually have bins full of chargers that people have left in their rooms and never claimed.

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    50. Re:Serious issue! by DeathElk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The majority of devices that use USB will charge from the current provided - a defacto power standard. For non USB devices and given the low current requirements of most gadgets, designing the charging/regulation circuitry to a defined standard would be almost trivial. In fact, most use commonly available regulation ICs to save mfg cost.

      Given the increasing onus on manufacturers to provide environmentally conscious disposal for their products, most will eventually opt for a standardised power/charging arrangement. It's a consideration when purchasing that I already make.

      Re. the income from extra adaptor sales aftermarket - the cost of maintaining the supply chain for these items barely justifies making them available at all. Hence the ridiculous prices for OEM chargers.

    51. Re:Serious issue! by sherriw · · Score: 1

      Because there's a small percentage of people who will simply buy a whole new gadget if the charger gets lost or broken (my friend who works at Best Buy gets at least one person a week who gives this as a reason for buying a new X).

      Hell, I'm sure this is the reason why the charger for my Palm TX has the flimsy-est connector I've ever seen. Two little 1x1mm arms physically go into the device. Ug. I treat it like it's made out of tissue paper.

    52. Re:Serious issue! by Rachel+Lucid · · Score: 1

      In the US, at least, compliance can be rather slow to come for no other reason, because people hold onto old phones for YEARS.

      I had a rather primitive phone for three years before I got my sidekick, which now has a USB-style plug if nothing else (but seems to deal in a higher amperage than my boyfriend's Blackberry, even though they have the same plug.

      Multi-year contracts slow this progress down just as much. In other words, check back in 2009, or 2010 to be certain.

    53. Re:Serious issue! by smooth123 · · Score: 1

      Would be as open to China mandating OOXML as the standard and executing people who did not support it.

    54. Re:Serious issue! by gnud · · Score: 5, Funny

      "les Profitable" sounds like a boring musical.

    55. Re:Serious issue! by txoof · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's probably a warranty-security issue here too. Manufactures of higher end devices spec out a third party plug, or have one designed specifically for their product to reduce any problems further down the line. They know exactly what voltage range, quality of full wave rectification, and total amperage their gizmo needs. Since you just paid $400 for your new toy, it sure would suck for both you and the company if your El Cheapomatic Universal Dongleizer provided one of those resources just outside of spec and fried your brand new Thingiee. It's a warranty headache for you and for the company.

      I think companies would be thrilled to stop shipping wall-warts. The cost that is passed on to the consumer could be pocketed and they could also save on packaging, shipping and materials overall. I think it's just too much of a wild-card, in their eyes, to hope that every Universal Wall-Wart is made within spec.

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    56. Re:Serious issue! by stewbee · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But this could be a problem if not done properly. Unless you use something like a buck boost converter to step from 12V to 5V or even 3.3V (all common small electronics voltages) you could end up with problems. Suppose the current to this device draws 500 mA and needs the 5V supply and uses a simple LDO regulator to step the voltage down. The power dissipated by the device would then be (12V-5V)*0.5A = 3.5W just in the voltage regulator in addition to the 5V*0.5A = 2.5W load of the device. This LDO is dissipating more power than the actual electronics you want powered!

      Now using a buck-boost regulator (sometimes known as a DC-DC converter) has its own issues. These supplies have some sort of AC source (usually a PWM square wave) to charge reactive components as well as large inductors inductors to store the energy. Both of these have their own issues which are a problem. Square waves are 'noisy' and generate plenty of harmonics. Any consumer electronics device must pass FCC rules for radiated emissions. PWM waves don't help you here. Inductors are frowned on since the can be quite large. They may even have some sort of iron (or similar ferrous material) which will add to the weight so they can increase the inductance. These reasons right here is why most electronics have external regulators; they can do all the hard stuff outside the device they really want to build.

      All of this is just a long winded answer to say that 12V may not be a one size fits all solution. Twelve volts will blow up most integrated circuits requiring the voltage to be stepped down in some fashion.

    57. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Â. wtf ??

    58. Re:Serious issue! by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      The last Kodak camera I bought came with a USB wall charger. My DS usb kit comes with a car USB charger.

      USB appears to be a more effective standard for universal charging stations than a plain transformer/rectifier/regulator.

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    59. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was funny. Kudos to whoever ex0a is.

    60. Re:Serious issue! by azgard · · Score: 1

      It is supposed to represent that every keyboard has a different place where a dollar sign is. In a similar way, you cannot expect all the charger connectors to be the same.

    61. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you hate freedom!?!?!?

    62. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait... your basing their government is better then democracy because... wait for it... they mandate phone charger rules and regulations?

      Isn't the US government getting pounded for MANDATING non analog TV signals?

      I know I haven't had my coffee yet today but damn I think you just won the dumbass post of the day award, congrats!

      I really hope I'm just missing your sarcasim tag...

      (posting anon so this doesn't turn into a flame war, at least not one I'll watch)

    63. Re:Serious issue! by Dolda2000 · · Score: 1
      Or even better -- If the plug just had a few extra connectors, the device could (not unlike a USB device) have two resistors or similar statically hooked up that encode information to the charger regarding the voltage and minimum required current.

      The manufacturers could ship a charger which only accepts gadgets with one particular requirement specification, while there could also be generic chargers available that could charge many devices with varying specifications.

    64. Re:Serious issue! by HikingStick · · Score: 1

      You hit the nail on the head--why not standardize on charging via USB port?

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    65. Re:Serious issue! by Mattsson · · Score: 1

      Solution:
      Since there's already two gazillion different plugs, you can assign every plug one voltage and current.

      Plug 1: 1V 0-1.5A
      Plug 2: 1V 1.6-3A
      Plug 3: 1.5V 0-1.5A
      etc, etc...

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    66. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being forced to use 12V doesn't seem to slow anybody down.

      So then why would being forced to use 120Vac (or 240Vac) slow anybody down? Your argument makes no sense.

    67. Re:Serious issue! by berashith · · Score: 1

      This is why when I buy something, I consider its batteries/charging method. If it can have removable batteries, it will use AA or AAA, and I keep plenty of rechargeables for that. If it is something like mp3 or phone with non-standard batteries, it will charge from USB. If a device cant meet one of these requirements, I simply dont buy it. I keep a USB hub with its own power source at home to charge devices, and I have a wall wart usb charger that I may take on the road. This leaves me a max of three plugs, one for a laptop, one for the usb device of choice, and one for the AA/AAA charger... all depending on location.

    68. Re:Serious issue! by Atlantis-Rising · · Score: 1

      They could do that. And in many ways, it would not be intelligent, although in many ways it would be intelligent.

      That, however, is not what they've done. I don't see any downsides to mandating that all cell phones must charge via USB.

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    69. Re:Serious issue! by Atlantis-Rising · · Score: 1

      Because people abuse freedom.

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    70. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a French keyboard, you insensitive clod!

      the $ sign is in the same place :-P at least for MY french keyboard (Canadian French)

    71. Re:Serious issue! by Atlantis-Rising · · Score: 1

      Right then, I'm glad reading comprehension on slashdot is as good as usual today.

      Firstly, I never said that their government was better than democracy. (And even if I had, it would have been that their form of government was better than democracy.)

      Secondly, my comment obviously refers to the manner of making decisions and not merely this decision in particular- namely that dictatorial regimes can centrally and efficiently make and enforce decisions, even when those decisions may be unpopular with the masses or with corporations- and specifically, that as a non-western state, the Chinese government (and other dictatorships in general) have no particular ideological history of kowtowing to free enterprise.

      Thirdly, I agree with the US government mandating non-analog TV signals. I have no problems with them doing so. The government is often too lax about stepping in and mandating advancements or specific levels of service, especially in areas where it has a public responsibility to do so- consumer safety, publicly-owned services, that sort of thing.

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    72. Re:Serious issue! by chaim79 · · Score: 1

      I'd suggest using iTunes to reset your iPod. I have a 60gb 5g iPod and last time it crashed was... sometime last year actually. However it's had similar problems before, usually the solution is a refresh from iTunes, takes a while but you get a clean install of the OS out of it, and most likely what is going on is that some part of your iPod OS is corrupted.

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    73. Re:Serious issue! by chaim79 · · Score: 1

      They do, it's called a 'USB hub'.

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    74. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does raise a serious issue of why the flying fuck in the sky don't gadgets simply have the same bloody connectors for charging? There's no excuse!

      What? You mean why would a company make a proprietary connection that only they sell and customers have to come to them to buy an expensive replacement?

      This is Slashdot, you already know the reason. It's the same reason that Microsoft Office changes their file format in subtle (or not so subtle, OOXML) ways every version.

      These companies create a 6 month window of opportunity for themselves where they're the only ones that sell their bullshit connector, and after that 6 months the 3rd-party clones come along.

      As it is with Office formats these companies won't behave and give USB connectors until governments get involved. But they won't. Because they don't understand the anti-competitive issue.

      A lot of geeks however don't represent this issue clearly because they wary about future compatibility jitters in deciding between Mini-USB2 or Mini-USB3 or Mini-Firewire. These idiots miss the point entirely. Standardising on any or even ALL of those 3 choices would at least consolidate the number of connectors to 3 or less -- that's better than what we have now. And for power charging (which is all it NEEDS to replace) USB2 would be good enough for the next 20 years.

      So start speaking clearly to your politicians that you want USB2 by law on these things.

    75. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and standards would make there business

      their

    76. Re:Serious issue! by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      "Alt Gr", and on most UK keyboards (I can't speak for mainland Europe) it's "Alt Gr + 4", "Alt Gr + E" produces "é"

    77. Re:Serious issue! by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      That was a French-accented "e" btw Slashdot, not a Spanish A and a copyright symbol.

    78. Re:Serious issue! by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      "ÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂ"

      is what I get...

      But sure - our ordinary computers are relatively standardized today, so why can't the mobile phones be standardized at least on a hardware interface level.

      Of course it's claimed to be about money - each manufacturer wants to make extra money from additional gadgets to the phone. (or like Apple and the iPod). This was the same with early computer systems, up to about the beginning of the 80's.

      As I see it - we are still in the beginning of the mobile phone era. The computer era is maturing while the mobile phone era is in it's teens. In a few decades we will probably have only two or three mobile phone manufacturers left and one or two major operating systems on them.

      A contributing factor is that the telecom operators does not want an open platform for us to use, which means that we as consumers are less in control of what we get than we are of our computers. But unfortunately our computers seems to have a tendency to also become a lot more closed by the use of TPM chips and integration of them with operating systems that essentially can allow a hardware manufacturer to enforce which operating system we shall use.

      From all that I predict that many manufacturers sees the remaining world as pure consumers of their products and don't really care about how to let us adapt our devices to what we really want or need. Just look at Apple and the iPhone.

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    79. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The USB standard for chargers is already bastardized.

      I presently have 4 devices that use USB charging, and there are some compatibility issues.

      I have:
      1. My Wife's Motorola Razr
      2. My Blackberry Pearl
      3. Creative Zen MP3 player (Only provides a USB cable for charging)
      4. GPS Puck (comes with a 12V cig to USB charger).

      The Razr will charge off:
      1. a PC (with Motorola software installed)
      2. the Motorola charger, but not the charge supplied with any of the other devices.
      3. If you attempt to charge any other way it says "Unauthorized Charger" or something very close to that.

      The Blackberry will charge off:
      1. a PC (with software installed, or it says "insufficient voltage)
      2. The supplied charger
      3. The Motorola charger

      The Zen will charge with any of the charging methods except the cable supplied with the GPS Puck.

      The GPS puck will charge using ANY of the chargers.

      The 12Vcig -> USB cable supplied with the GPS Puck won't charge ANY of these devices except the GPS Puck. (The Motorola flat-out rejects it, but the Blackberry and the Zen look like they're charging, but the battery indicator never increases even after over an hour.)

      Seems like the "Universal" in USB is taken very lightly.

    80. Re:Serious issue! by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      But this is only good if your device can be charged by USB

      Correct. Also not useful to prevent tooth decay.

    81. Re:Serious issue! by svallarian · · Score: 1

      How can you tell the polarity of the plug with a tester?

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    82. Re:Serious issue! by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      I can note here that USB *is* a charger standard...

    83. Re:Serious issue! by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Well done! I never would have sussed that deep a meaning from Shift+4.

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    84. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or a bad pornstar name

    85. Re:Serious issue! by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, in some ways many HAVE agreed on a charger standard - and it's USB!

      Manufacturers are starting to realize that charging from standard USB ports is less likely to sell "add-ons" like chargers, but FAR more likely to sell the devices themselves due to issues such as this.

      Even my new Motorola Talkabout FRS radios have Mini-USB ports for the sole purpose of charging.

      Unfortunately manufacturers haven't quite standardized on how to handle "dumb" chargers without violating the USB specification. USB devices are not permitted to draw more than 100 mA without negotiating with a PC for more current. So a manufacturer has three choices:
      1) Violate the USB specification (can't put the USB logo on your packaging)
      2) Figure out some way to signal the presence of a "dumb" charger to the device, allowing it to draw more than 100 mA (sometimes even more than 500) when connected to such a charger. There's a de facto standard for Mini-USB plugs - There's a pin that is not connected in normal USB operation that "dumb charger" plugs will usually ground. If a device sees that this pin is grounded it will draw as much current as it can. I know these cables can be used with, at the least, Holux GPS receivers, HTC PDAs, and I believe most new Motorola phones and FRS radios. Unfortunately you cannot have a single cable that will both communicate and "dumb charge" from one of those wallwarts that has a USB Type A jack.
      3) Limit current to 100 mA (this is unsatisfactory for many devices)
      4) Wait for USB 3.0 - Supposedly USB 3.0 has taken this whole issue into consideration.

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    86. Re:Serious issue! by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      Which generation? My 5th gen iPod has not crashed once since I bought it... 1.5 to 2 years ago I think?

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    87. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It applies to all new models approved after June 2007 (to legally sell phones in China, each new model has to have something called a Network Access Certificate issued by the government). So most of the new ones support USB charging, but there are still quite a lot of older designs still for sale that don't. And the rules don't apply to "grey market" phones imported from abroad.

    88. Re:Serious issue! by jcgf · · Score: 1

      touche de majuscule quatre?

    89. Re:Serious issue! by prefect42 · · Score: 1

      If there was an agreed standard, then you'd save on cost, since you wouldn't include one in the box with the device.

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    90. Re:Serious issue! by Novus · · Score: 1

      I assume you mean the currency sign. Slashdot seems to happily delete it from posts (as is usual for most stuff not in US ASCII).

    91. Re:Serious issue! by Khazunga · · Score: 1

      That would reduce the cost, not add to it. (...) the consumer would end up spending less after buying three devices.

      Faulty logic. Sale price is not related to production cost (other than the condition that you must be able to sell at a profit or you'll go bust). Reduced cost will produce higher margins and a larger profit on the initial product. It'll also mean the end to the "extra chargers" market.

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    92. Re:Serious issue! by Zebedeu · · Score: 1

      Yeah I noticed I forgot the "Gr" part in my post, my bad.

      Sorry about my keyboard mistake though. I only know the Portuguese and German layouts, and both have the euro symbol in the "e" key. I kind of assumed that all of the rest would have it there as well.

    93. Re:Serious issue! by ksd1337 · · Score: 1

      I think I'm going to press Alt and F4 now.

    94. Re:Serious issue! by strawberryutopia · · Score: 1

      Really? It looked more like a Portuguese A with ~ than the non-existent Spanish A of which you speak.
      But then, I failed Portuguese and Spanish, so I could be speaking complete pelotas.

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    95. Re:Serious issue! by jcgf · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, powering lower voltages off of 12VDC is easy. For my DIY projects I usually just throw in a LM317 or LM350 regulator set to the voltage I want (unless it's 5VDC needed, then I just go with the (slightly cheaper) 7805).

      I don't usually bother, but you can also wire the LM317 as a current regulator. So if you wanted a USB device to run off 12, you can limit the voltage to 5VDC and the current to 500mA etc.

      Anyways, I guess I'm trying to agree with you in my long winded way.

    96. Re:Serious issue! by Khazunga · · Score: 1

      I do know that part of the issue is power dissipation. When you're converting 5V (from usb) to what the charger circuit in the cell phone needs, the difference ends affecting power dissipation (in the form of heat). Voltage difference between power source and charger times max current draw = amount of power you need to dissipate at that stage (or simply P=I*V). A charger made specifically with that battery in mind would minimize power wasted (on charging) and would mean less electronics on the phone.

      Completely false. Transformers do have losses (namely eddy current) and do produce heat. However, it's nowhere near I*deltaV. You'd see high to medium-voltage and medium to low-voltage transformers in the power grid blowing up everywhere if your proposition was anywhere near reality.

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    97. Re:Serious issue! by camperdave · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that less than 1% of the population actually owns a multimeter, let alone being able to tell which is the positive lead of a polarized capacitor. In North America, things aren't made to be fixable. They are made to be replaced. So, in answer to your bigger question, Americans (The entire first world, in fact) are losing their ability to fix things. You'd be surprised how many appliances get tossed in the garbage because a five cent piece of plastic broke. Heck. I have a VCR on my desk that is destined for the rubbish heap because the plastic bit that is supposed to connect play button to the microswitch broke.

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    98. Re:Serious issue! by QuantumRiff · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The nice thing about USB is that it is first and foremost a communication protocol. It would be very nice if when you plugged your device in, it got it's standard 500mA, and then requested from the charger the amount of power it actually needed to charge the quickest. The chargers could actually become smart, and do things like shut off power to ports when not in use, or turn the power way down when the device is charged.

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    99. Re:Serious issue! by jrumney · · Score: 1

      I went looking for a charger for my phone on my last trip to Japan, as its battery ran too low to charge from USB, and I'd only taken the USB cable with me on the trip. But there, you don't get manufacturer specific power connectors, as the phone networks dictate the connectors. So there is one type of connector for old 2G J-Phone/Vodafone/Softbank phones, one for CDMA phones from KDDI and one for all DoCoMo and newer 3G Softbank phones. Not quite an industry standard, but the limited number of connectors makes it possible to have charging stations at convenience stores to give your phone a quick pump when you're caught with a flat battery and an important call to make.

    100. Re:Serious issue! by Sleepy · · Score: 1

      Don't ignore the fact that these devices are BATTERY powered.

      I don't see why batteries can't be charged at USB 5v. If the device requires more voltage at full steam, OK then maybe you need your charger... but if it's idle and just charging up it should pull from USB.

      My Samsung phone requires a proprietary charger.

      My Nokia N800 tablet does also (although this situation is better since at least I can RECYCLE old Nokia phone chargers for my tablet, I have FIVE of them dispersed to common travel points, so I don't have to put THAT charger in my backpack thankfully).

      On my bookshelf (charging station) at home, I have:
      1 digital picture frame charger
      1 Samsung phone charger
      1 LG phone charger
      1 Nokia charger for N800
      1 USB charger, to charge my bluetooth GPS module (great addon for a N800 BTW, and still cheaper than a N810)

      This is so wasteful, makes travel a pain, and the shit gets tangled. I just want a single USB hub powering it all.

      I'm convinced that today this problem is NOT solved because of the lucrative wall and car charger market.

    101. Re:Serious issue! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean Alt F4?

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    102. Re:Serious issue! by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      my Zune (gasp) has the best sound quality of anything I have

      You bought the Zune? Far out, I wondered who it was... ;-)

    103. Re:Serious issue! by Minwee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you're saying that introducing competition into a market which was otherwise a monopoly and reducing the cost to produce a product will not lead to reduced prices? I find that hard to believe.

    104. Re:Serious issue! by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      I now have two iPods (my old Mini has a defunct battery, so it remains plugged into the socket in the car, leaving me with a "good" excuse to buy a 160GB classic model), but I have never, EVER had a problem with the firmware crashing, even when I was using it with gtkpod.

      Maybe you should take it up with Apple or whoever you bought the gadget from.

    105. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surrender!

    106. Re:Serious issue! by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      Something I find useful when travelling is the wall-wart charger Apple sells for iPods. Since it is designed to deliver charge at conventional USB line levels through the USB socket in the back of it, it works as a convenient "universal" charger if (like me) you adopt a policy of buying only USB-charging gadgets.

    107. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alt-F4 huh? Let me tr

    108. Re:Serious issue! by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      When in the fuck did the Universal Serial Bus become a platform for charging batteries? It's only a wimpy +5V and not all hubs supply the max current called out in the specification.

      Why not force them to a Charger Standard?

    109. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed one: "gets", not "get's". If you're going to be a grammar nazi, do it right.

    110. Re:Serious issue! by interiot · · Score: 1

      No, quality control on the charger is an important issue for engineering companies. On brand-name products, every single component (internal, as well as accessories) gets thoroughly tested, and they get updated in response to defects coming in from the field. The charger is no exception.

      You're also right that accessories are a money maker.

      In the long run, as we move to a more standardized charger (e.g. USB), companies won't be able to rely on heavy testing of the charger. They'll have to beef up the internal regulator a little to accommodate a much wider range of inputs.

    111. Re:Serious issue! by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      My apologies, I never studied either language, I just recognised the accent as one used in Spanish (after looking it up, they use in on the letter "n").
      I studied German as my second language. Technically I also studied French, but did so badly that they wouldn't let me take it at GCSE (and due to it being required that you take a language, and a timetable clash, meant that I couldn't take IT. I didn't miss out on much).

    112. Re:Serious issue! by Dinsdale+Pirahna · · Score: 0

      This is why I only give my shift + 4 to gadgets that use the Mini-B plug

    113. Re:Serious issue! by jeepien · · Score: 1

      >>But this is only good if your device can be charged by USB

      >Correct. Also not useful to prevent tooth decay.

      Yeah, how come my toothbrush charger isn't USB?

    114. Re:Serious issue! by Khazunga · · Score: 1

      When you buy an iPhone and judge if the price is right, do you take into consideration the existence of a power brick in the package? You don't, and nobody else does. The perceived value of the product is elsewhere, and that reduction in cost will never cause a reduction in price.

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    115. Re:Serious issue! by strawberryutopia · · Score: 1

      they made everyone study for GCSE french at my place, but not everyone was entered. they were weird like that.
      and (and A level) GCSE IT is a joke anyway, so there wasn't much you missed.

      but i'm still of the opinion that it'd be so much easier if everyone was just taught english and chinese from an early age. that'd be shiny.

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    116. Re:Serious issue! by Fishead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Future Shop and Breast Buy sell standard USB device cables for $30. Then the salesman tells you that if you buy a cheap one, it will suffer from signal loss and lower speed. If the world standardized small electronics on one power port, manufacturers can ship their products entirely without chargers. Then the "Pop-up add" style salesman can sell you a USB-mini charger for $50 and tell you that your warranty will be void if your "un-certified" charger ruins your device. He can then sell you a product protection plan on your charger for an extra $10. Or you can go with the "Monster Cable" charger that has extra line filtering... bla bla bla.

    117. Re:Serious issue! by balbord · · Score: 1

      I am Portuguese. It is a Portuguese A with a ~.

      Now go and spread the word.

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    118. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Low voltage and current design of the USB spec causing very slow charging times.

    119. Re:Serious issue! by CRiMSON · · Score: 1

      The excuse is.. to sell you another adapter...

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    120. Re:Serious issue! by Leolo · · Score: 1

      No you don't. The French keyboard has $ in the same place as an English one does.

    121. Re:Serious issue! by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      To be in a buisness like that which actually makes the world a worse place most be pretty depressing. Any idea what his lines of reasoning are to convince people?

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    122. Re:Serious issue! by Fishead · · Score: 5, Insightful

      All devices should have over-voltage protection by default. Even if the device you are manufacturing comes with a super-wahzoo psu that is absolutely limited to 5Vdc output, your device should be able to handle 30Vdc and not have a problem. Simple electronics design, not complicated rocket science. Varistors are cheap. Resetable surface mount fuses are cheap. Voltage regulators are cheap.

    123. Re:Serious issue! by electricbern · · Score: 2, Funny

      I bet he's an art critic.

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    124. Re:Serious issue! by Atlantis-Rising · · Score: 1

      USB 3.0 is designed for greater power, I believe.

      Also, I have devices that charge via USB and come with a wall-wart; they just charge a lot faster via the wall-wart than from a PC, despite both using the USB connector.

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    125. Re:Serious issue! by kitgerrits · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Awww... I use 7805's to power lots of interesting tidbits in my car ;-)

      (Then again, I use a hig-power 12V power supply for my subwoofer amp in my living room )

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    126. Re:Serious issue! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      If you're using a mac, this would be one step: hold the mouse button down for a couple seconds.

      Which mouse button?

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    127. Re:Serious issue! by kitgerrits · · Score: 1

      7805 FTW!

      I've seen someone fille a regular car plug with a 7805 and some sand and pull some mad amps without frying anything!

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    128. Re:Serious issue! by cjonslashdot · · Score: 1

      Because the manufacturers want us to continually buy new power cords from them (when the old ones wear out). Really, they should all standardize on one voltage (e.g., 12v), and we should be able to buy a power strip that supplies 12v DC and plug everything into that. Having separate transformers for each device is a mess.

    129. Re:Serious issue! by object88 · · Score: 1

      iGo chargers?

      Glad someone mentioned this. My girlfriend has an iGo charger at her office, which has survived a few different phones just by swapping the connector tips.

    130. Re:Serious issue! by LunaticTippy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Put the positive test lead in the center contact and the negative test lead on the outer contact. A positive voltage indicates a "tip positive" plug and a negative voltage indicates a "tip negative" plug.

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    131. Re:Serious issue! by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Gold plated USB power cables! To make sure you get the very best waveform quality!

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    132. Re:Serious issue! by svirre · · Score: 1

      Converters cost money and add space. Both are at a premium in modern electronics. Most consumer electronics have only a few dollars worth of parts, so adding some tens of cents to the BOM matters. Hey, even auto manufacturers will go to great lengths to shave 20c off their electronics costs.

    133. Re:Serious issue! by ak3ldama · · Score: 1

      You missed one: "gets", not "get's". If you're going to be a grammar nazi, do it right.

      I believe it is "hot grits." Get off our lawn.

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    134. Re:Serious issue! by Xebikr · · Score: 1

      I don't know. It might be ok...

      (to the tune of "Lovely Ladies")
      I smell cell phones, smell them in the air
      Think I'll plug my charger in that outlet over there!
      I need power for my PDA,
      Wish that all these cords I have would finally go away.
      That won't happen ever in my day!


      On second thought. No. You're right. It would be boring.

    135. Re:Serious issue! by repvik · · Score: 1

      Scandinavian kbd? That's Å

    136. Re:Serious issue! by dotancohen · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have a French keyboard, you insensitive clod!

      I am a clod, you insensitive Frenchman!

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    137. Re:Serious issue! by Kreeben · · Score: 1

      When you're born, the hospital gives you a Universal Charger. Problem solved! If it breaks, you're fucked. If not, you is set for life, man!

    138. Re:Serious issue! by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1
      There's no excuse! If all manufacturers could agree on the USB standard then why can't they make a charger standard?

      Yes there is: they don't give a shit about being compatible with the connectors of other, completely unrelated devices, and neither do 99% of consumers.

      I charge my phone at night, on my nightstand. My PDA is my phone, and doesn't play well with Linux (nor do I need it to) so it doesn't need to connect to my computers. I rarely charge my camera, and remove the memory card to transfer pics. If I had to plug them into my laptop or desktop to charge them, I'd be pissed. My laptop would still need its own power connector anyway. This thread is picking nits and wasting space.

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    139. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, hold shift. Second, press 4.

      I have a French keyboard, you insensitive clod!

      Do you have a French Keyboard, Canadian French Keyboard, Belgian French Keyboard, Canadian French Legacy Keyboard, Swiss French Keyboard, Canadian Multilingual Keyboard or French Dvorak Keyboard?

    140. Re:Serious issue! by lordofthechia · · Score: 1

      You are correct that high Voltage transformers are AC to AC (on the power grid) and normal wall adapters AC to DC have different types of losses. Were talking about DC to DC here. The above estimate holds true for 2 of 3 types of DC regulators (passive and linear). Now when we look at switching regulator (like a buck converter) things change a bit and we can get to 95% efficiency but this comes at the cost of more control circuitry and addition of ripple control (logic elements in particular will be very sensitive to this).

      Now note there is a difference between the DC to DC converter used internally in a phone and the type that is typically used in higher current applications (such as battery charging). First thing to look at would be the rated capacity of the phone battery (ex: RAZRs are 780mAH) and look at the difference between charge time and phone battery life (slow bleed vs fast charge). Compounding that difference is the fact that charging a battery requires more current due to losses in the charge process (believe the rule of thumb is 1.5 * (Battery Capacity / Charge Time). The 1.5 is indicative of the loss induced in the charging process.

      Now if anybody has links regarding they types (and designs) of voltage regulators used in RF applications (cell phones and such), please *do* share ^_^

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    141. Re:Serious issue! by Swizec · · Score: 1

      You do realise that until not many years ago consumers didn't even consider needing a standard connector for their printers, mice and so on right? The average consumer doesn't know what's best for them until someone finds something better than the status quo.

    142. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ehhh, That show my expose & spaces window.......

      What do I need that for?

    143. Re:Serious issue! by ydrol · · Score: 1

      So if you lose the pack you have no idea what the requirements are to replace it yourself.

      Thankfully sometimes one can often ask on Usenet or Web Forums, or even sneak a look at the online PDFs.

      As an aside If I buy USB based devices I like to make sure they use one of the standard connectors. Had to bin a 2.5" HD Caddy because I lost the cable. Never again!

    144. Re:Serious issue! by rfrenzob · · Score: 1

      That still does not negate DRM in the charger. Verizon's razr is known for throwing "unauthorized charger" when using a 3rd party charger.

    145. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      USB would actually be a good charger standard, for that matter.

      So you have to talk USB protocol before it will let you have the full 500mA?

      Why not use the infinitely simpler "12v through 2.1mm barrel plug" that most simple rechargeable devices use? (including USB hubs...)

    146. Re:Serious issue! by mindaktiviti · · Score: 1

      Trying the above, the paradoxical question is, how can I post this jo--*@#$%*NO CARRIER*

    147. Re:Serious issue! by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Excelent. Finally someone who can tell me just what the bloody hell this sign is:
      That's my shift+4. Google doesn't even seem to know what the hell it is. It looks a little bit like a bomb as seen from behind - main fusulage in the middle and four fins, but surely you aren't suggesting we bomb the manufacturers?

      That character which didn't make it through /.'s silly character filter presumambly is the generic currency character (U+00A4 in the Latin 1 Supplement table of Unicode). You can create it in HTML with ¤ It isn't very widely used.

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    148. Re:Serious issue! by kipman725 · · Score: 1

      actualy on the current spec you should nogotaiate anything over 100mA.

    149. Re:Serious issue! by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Most of these devices will tolerate a wide range of voltages near what their charger puts out. 12V adaptors for cars are an excellent example, as the "12V" voltage coming from most cars can vary from 11-15 volts or so depending on what accessories are running, how fast the engine is turning, and whether or not the engine is actually running.

    150. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 'on the ground' answer to this is YES! but the caveat it that only the Chinese manufacturers have complied with the new rule, while the foreign manufacturers still do not in all cases.

      Welcome to the new world order!

    151. Re:Serious issue! by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Heck. I have a VCR on my desk that is destined for the rubbish heap because the plastic bit that is supposed to connect play button to the microswitch broke.

      This is America. Wouldn't most people just use the remote anyway?

    152. Re:Serious issue! by conufsed · · Score: 1

      What does opnning the system prefrences panel for spaces have to do with anything?

    153. Re:Serious issue! by SETIGuy · · Score: 1

      For one thing, different gadgets require different voltages.

      Currently there are far more connectors types than there are voltages. It wouldn't be that difficult to standardize on one type of connector per voltage. Here's the tips my replacement laptop adapter came with.... Tips included: N1, N2, N3, N4, N5, N9, N15, N19. That's 8 tips for one voltage, and I assume all of the missing numbers (N6, N7, N8 ... N20 ...) are available for an extra charge. And unforunately there's no standard nomenclature for the tips. N5 for that adapter might be type K for another adapter.

      I also have four different adapters with four different voltages (all center positive, one at 1.5V, one at 3V, one at 5V and one at 6.5V) that use the same tiny (and moderately rare) tip. The 1.5V is for a portable music device that runs off of a single NiCd cell, the 3V is for a PDA that runs on a pair of NiMH cells, the 5V is for a USB hub, the 6.5V is for a (non-mobile) phone charger. I once plugged the 6.5V into the USB hub by mistake, which destroyed the most expensive USB device I had connected to it. And this doesn't even count devices that use the same tip for AC or center negative.

      My last phone (from LG) had a fragile plastic connector with about 30 pins that was used for every possible purpose. It was used for charging, but it couldn't charge from USB. It was used for USB communications, but you couldn't use USB and charge the phone at the same time. When that connector broke, rendering the phone useless after long enough to get a "free phone" from my provider, it was replaced with a new model, also from LG, that now uses a 10 pin connector for USB and for charging.

      The purpose of this is not to keep people from buying 3rd party replacement power supplies, because you can find replacements every where you look. In fact it makes the people who sell replacements rich, because 5 years from now you won't be able to get a replacement power supply for either of those phones from LG.

      Frankly I blame Apple. They really started the "every device needs a new non-standard power supply connection" trend with the MacBooks and PowerBooks. I think it was really the first sign that Apple had become evil. Shortly thereafter the Dell "3-pin" adapters appeared followed by the WinBook "4-pin" adapters.

      I think it's time to demand a standard. Coaxial connectors for low voltage (<50V), low current (<10A) DC, each voltage with a different diameter, center always positive. LV AC should be on 2 pin connectors with a grounded shield, with different pin diameters and spacings for different voltages.

      Perhaps that can be part of GPL v4.

    154. Re:Serious issue! by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      Hey, what about those of us with 6v cars?

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    155. Re:Serious issue! by txoof · · Score: 1

      What about the quality of the rectified wave that is dumped into the gizmo? I don't know much about design, but it seems possible that some devices would run well dirty power, and others wouldn't deal with it at all.

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    156. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a Motorola phone, earpiece and a Canon camera that connect to the same USB cable. The other half of the crap I own has their own f'n power vampire, blood sucking parasite charger. Add all the features you want to the crap that you want to sell me, but a USB standard interface is high on my list when I making a buying decision.

    157. Re:Serious issue! by juventasone · · Score: 1

      Yeah there's a lot of talk here about ideas for the future, but "iGo" products are pretty decent. I only wish they had added a way to store the tips when not being used.

    158. Re:Serious issue! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1
      Wow, something good for all coming out of China - I'm impressed!

      Now if EU were to join as well, it would probably be sufficient reason to convert all major phone manufacturers to USB-only for all markets.

    159. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hmm... straw golem?
      might that be the reason? ;)
      curiouser and curiouser...

    160. Re:Serious issue! by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Even better - send CPU instruction 'Terminate Operator'

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    161. Re:Serious issue! by aurispector · · Score: 1

      A lot of devices have the polarity embossed on the case next to the plug but I still don't really trust it. BTW voltage meters only cost about ten bucks and they're indispensable if you're going to muck around with wires. Plus, they're fun to play with - you can de-mystify a lot of electronics just by poking around.

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    162. Re:Serious issue! by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Worse, they actually make fiber-optic cables with gold-plated connectors.

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    163. Re:Serious issue! by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      I have several external hard drives that need DC power. All the same manufacturer, all the same requirements, all the same plugs.

      I want one DC converter that I can plug into one AC outlet and connect the drives to that converter. Preferably with its own UPS.

      And if I can get something like that, then why not one that has variable settings and set of tips and polarity switches for a set of non-homogeneous devices?

      And to get into the gripe fest, I'd just be happy if the wall worts they give you for your devices actually identify the device they're supposed to go with. Name, model, and in some cases even serial number would be nice (when you've bought 5 of the product, but each came from a different production run and the power requirements changed, like my old set of Pyro Firewire enclosures).

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    164. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The space to add those to your design, however, is not cheap.

    165. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      did you say lifehacker.com?

    166. Re:Serious issue! by plover · · Score: 1

      The question of how much money electronics manufacturers make by screwing their customers on the cost of proprietary chargers is still left open, but you'll have to excuse me if I can't work up too much sympathy for them.

      I don't think that's the case at all. The gadget manufacturers do not have any incentives to maintain the proprietary connectors. Think about it: today, no manufacturers make money selling replacement wall warts. If a customer needs to replace a wall wart, they know they can just get a universal thing at Radio Shack.

      Wall warts are expensive. First, gadget manufacturers typically don't make their own, they buy them from OEMs. They add weight and bulk to the packages, which adds to shipping costs. They have to buy different wall warts for different countries with different electrical plugs and voltages, so instead of a single cheap order for 80,000, they have to place eight more expensive orders for 10,000 each. Then they have to include them in the packaging, which means carrying eight different packages and labels for eight different countries. All those differences add up to a lot of costs that are pure overhead, expenses that they wouldn't have if there was a standard that let them ship a single product.

      Wall warts are a nuisance for everyone, but until recently no standards ever emerged, so no manufacturers ever had one to follow. But now there are many consumer products moving to the mini-USB connector, and I expect an avalanche of manufacturers to convert their future product lines to USB in hopes that someday they won't even have to include a charger. If they could count on their customers already having a charger in their houses, they could really save a lot of money by not including them at all.

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    167. Re:Serious issue! by JSund · · Score: 1

      Excelent. Finally someone who can tell me just what the bloody hell this sign is: That's my shift+4. Google doesn't even seem to know what the hell it is. It looks a little bit like a bomb as seen from behind - main fusulage in the middle and four fins, but surely you aren't suggesting we bomb the manufacturers?

      I can't see the symbol, but I think you're referring to a currency sign.

  18. use computer PSU.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    there was an pci board that just converts to various voltages, so that you could use your ATX PSU to charge batteries or various equipment. It should be more efficient as ATX is switching power supply instead of most of those little 'bricks'.

    1. Re:use computer PSU.. by Enleth · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, in the recent years most of the 'bricks' turned into SMPSes. It's no more expensive to produce and less so to ship in cargo containers from China - smaller, lighter = more units in a container = lower shipping fee per unit. That makes a difference when sending out several tons of this junk a day.

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  19. Callpod by aluxe · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://callpod.com/ I think they're a bit pricey, but definitely worth it if you've got a ton of gadgets. Two cellphones qualifies... :)

    1. Re:Callpod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't so much as view their product without flash? FAIL.

    2. Re:Callpod by arizonagroovejet · · Score: 0

      The specs for their Chargepod say Output Charge Power 500mA each port Which is the same as USB. This plus the photos make is appear that their Chargepod is a essentially a powered USB hub. I'm sure you you can get powered USB hubs for less than they're charging, though quite possibly not as aesthetically pleasing.

    3. Re:Callpod by Mctittles · · Score: 1

      Brilliant! That is one of the best devices I have seen in a long time! Glad I found this article!

    4. Re:Callpod by Mctittles · · Score: 1

      Can't so much as view their product without flash? FAIL.

      When I see comments like this (often), it makes me wonder what it was like in the past when we made the switch from plain text to HTML. Were a lot of people complaining about HTML then? I think I was active on the internet when people started worrying about images being on sites..when everyone was on 28kb modems :).

    5. Re:Callpod by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 1

      For some reason you're only linking to the front page and not the carger in question. But that charger, that's just brilliant.

      As someone else said "it's just a USB hub", and maybe it is, but that's make it any less brilliant. Besides, you can't get USB chargers for all the stuff. My old Nokia phone doesn't have one (and I'm not getting a new one just to get a USB charger), but I can get a charger plug for this. Besides, it looks really cool.

      Not to mention "uhm, just find somewhere on that usb hub to plug in your phone" doesn't sound nearly as impressive as "just plug it into that". And again, it looks really cool, which is a plus with the ladies.

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    6. Re:Callpod by ezzzD55J · · Score: 1

      Well, at least software to render HTML was open source and portable (or soon ported) all over the place. My OS of choice is FreeBSD, and for flash, I've been SOL for years..

    7. Re:Callpod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HTML is human readable, so even if it didn't display PROPERLY, it could still be understood. This is much better than a message saying "You need flash" or worse, just a blank spot.

    8. Re:Callpod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. I got one of these as a gift and it has really simplified things. The tips are right at $10 but they do a great job. I charge two cameras, two cell phones and an MP3 player all on the same ring.

    9. Re:Callpod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think this is the most relevant comment so far. Someone actually answered the OP's question.

    10. Re:Callpod by Peter+La+Casse · · Score: 1

      When I see comments like this (often), it makes me wonder what it was like in the past when we made the switch from plain text to HTML. Were a lot of people complaining about HTML then?

      Yes, and you can still see it today: post HTML to usenet, or send HTML email (or a Word doc with nothing but plain text in it) to your local UNIX longbeard.

    11. Re:Callpod by Mctittles · · Score: 1

      Ahh, yes. Very true.

    12. Re:Callpod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had one of those Callpod Chargepods for about a year now, I highly recommend it. I just throw the wall warts that come with all my gadgets into a junk drawer now.

  20. A few practical tips by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 2, Informative

    I try to hide whatever chargers and wiring in general I don't have to unplug. That way I can wrap it all up with cable ties and keep it managed somehow. Fastening power strips to the bottom of the desk can be a good option. (The double sided tape thing never works... Use something more permanent.)

    Also non-brand chargers can make sense when space is a premium. TinyPlugs are excellent for Nokia phones, for instance.

    Having an off switch on the power strip with all the chargers can be a good idea too, if you aren't charging anything you can turn the whole thing off and save power. (No leeching.)

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    1. Re:A few practical tips by mahohmei · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A quick trip to Home Depot solved my problem, though slightly ugly. Two 4" square electrical boxes and quad-outlet cover plates, four duplex outlets, a 9' 14 AWG power cord, a few feet of 14/2 NM, an NM clamp, a 1/2" rigid conduit nipple, and some nuts, washers, and bolts. A bit of electrical know-how and drilling, and I wind up with 8 outlets mounted to the side of my desk. It's better than a power strip because it won't flop around/fall behind the desk. And its better than a mounted power strip because it's not a cheap piece of plastic. It is, however, plugged into a power strip/surge protector under the desk... And it's on the side of my desk facing away from the office door, so the Wife Acceptance Factor is quite high.

    2. Re:A few practical tips by plover · · Score: 1

      I've made several of those over the years. One day I got sick of the mess and of the ugly, and so I cleaned out the entire underside of the desk of every piece of gear and strand of cable. I bought a pre-made power strip that is actually six duplex outlets side by side, spaced slightly farther apart than standard quad outlet spacing so it accommodates a wide variety of wall warts. The box itself is very solid, made of folded steel construction and is painted an old-school mottled blue enamel. It has wings with keyholes for screw mountings, and I have it screwed high up to the underside of the computer desk. I also have an older plastic Radio Shack 10-outlet surge suppressor strip that is screwed to the far back wall of the underside. I bought a cheap $10 clip-on desk lamp and have it stationed permanently on the back wall as well. Finally, I bought a couple rolls of black Velcro cable ties, and was not shy about using them. So I now have lots of power outlets (almost all of which are now full of warts anyway,) nicely bound wire bundles, and I'm not fumbling with a half-dead flashlight every time I have a new cable to plug in.

      It's been a few years, and some of the wire bundles have been undone and not redone, so it's almost time to go back down there and clean them up. But I'd rather read slashdot, soo... :-)

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  21. Chargers stay at same fixed locations... by freedom_india · · Score: 1

    I too have an LG Viewty, an iBook G4, a Nokia 6600, my iPod mini, and the battery-operated SUV my 3-yr son drives (the charger is very similar to a nokia phone charger).
    Organisation is key: i charge my iPod at work: The white cable always is connected to my PC.
    The iBook G4 feeds off its charger which is permanently hooked to UPS power supply that also feeds my SLI-config PC. Yes, the laptop stays close to PC, and yes its neanderthal for a slashdotter to keep it that way, but the charger doesn't get lost this way.
    The Viewty (KU990) is tricky since the charger gets lost quickly enough in my clutter. But i have found one wall socket at home where the charger stays connected to permanently. I plug the phone in when i reach home, and take it out when i leave for work.
    The Nokia is my company's: i don't care if its charged or not. Not my money, so if i happen to answer it i check for battery and if it has run out, i replace the viewty charger with Nokia charger (and this is why my LG Viewty is down today).
    I found that having fixed location chargers for moving devices creates some discipline and order. Plus you don't have to haul the chargers every day.
    iPod Mini runs out of charge?=Work PC.
    LG Viewty: Fixed wall socket.
    iBook G4: Charger near UPS.
    Nokia: Charger at same wall socket as Viewty. (when not charging, it lies in my bag).
    SUV: The charger is placed near kitchen. My wife plugs the charger in when she makes coffee in morning. My son brings the SUV to kitchen when it needs to be charged (which is about 11.30 AM when the kitchen is free).
    No one is allowed to move chargers. Not even my son is exempt from this law:
    This way i don't lose chargers and things are organised.
    Devices can move; Chargers can't. (when i travel, everything goes into my laptop bag). Unfortunately this made me once carry the SUV charger too for about a week.

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  22. Name Them! by argee · · Score: 2, Informative

    Its easy to mix the chargers up. First thing I do is stick on a piece of duct tape, and with a Magic Marker or Sharpie, write the name of the device it fits, such as "WRTG54GL" or "MOT V235". Avoids sticking 18 volts into a 5 volt device!

  23. Why Not ,... by pilsner.urquell · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Why don't you lobby Congress to pass a law standardizing voltage with connector type. Then we can have another more worthless legislation to deal with!

    1. Re:Why Not ,... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thats actualy a good idea!

  24. Consider future consolidation and brand loyalty. by Shag · · Score: 1

    I'm going to hazard a guess that in addition to not sharing chargers, they don't share much else either... they don't necessarily use the same memory, or have interchangeable parts, or interoperate in cool and interesting ways (like forming Voltron, for example).

    So... congratulations. You've ammassed enough technology to discover why corporate IT departments standardize on a limited number of vendors. It looks like you surf the web, talk, take pictures, play media, and do computer stuff... right?

    You've got somewhere between 2 and 4 different ways to surf the web. You've got somewhere between 3 and 5 ways to talk. You've got somewhre between 3 and 5 ways to take a picture.

    Do you actually need this degree of redundancy? Are you collecting random shiny toys just to say you've done it? :)

    I surf the web, talk, take pictures, play media, and do computer stuff, too. The only things charging off my power strip, 99.999% of the time, are a laptop and a phone. Why? Well, the laptop lets me surf the web, talk (via Skype etc), take crappy pictures via a built-in webcam, play all kinds of media, and do all kinds of computer stuff. The phone lets me surf the web, talk, take slightly better crappy pictures, and play media.

    Do I have other kit? Sure - but I don't use my standalone media player that often any more, so it stays in my backpack. Ditto for the pocket camera. Ditto for the DSLR. Ditto for a lot of chargers. Oh, and my phone and media player are the same brand, so they charge the same way.

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  25. Get a life? by bushboy · · Score: 1, Troll

    If your worried about where to plug your *ahem* gadgets, I'd say that's the least of your worries.
    Perhaps you need to step outside into that room with the big light, get a bit of exercise, read a book, have sex, go for drinks with friends, go on holiday, live a little.

    Perhaps ask yourself "Why do I have so many gadgets? What would happen if I got rid of some of them? What is regular sex like?"

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    1. Re:Get a life? by dword · · Score: 1

      I constantly ask myself "What is regular sex like?"
      You don't need any chargers to ask yourself that...

      PS: Don't ask your friends. You've been warned!

  26. Luxury problem by TheP4st · · Score: 3, Funny

    A classic case of luxury problem.
    Why three mobile phones, are you waiting for the not so ineviteble question "Is that 3 mobiles in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"

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    1. Re:Luxury problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not saying that this is the OP's case, but in my bedroom I charge my phone, my work-provided cell phone, my lady's phone, her ipod, and my laptop off a power strip. This may be the case here.

  27. Stop Being Greedy? by ilovegeorgebush · · Score: 1
    It's called K.I.S.S. The following devices could be combined into one with numerous offerings that are on the mobile phone market these days:
    • Nokia N810
    • LG Chocolate
    • Sony Ericcson Z310a
    • Cowan iAudio X5L

    Arguably, you could also scrap the digital camera as most phones have cameras on them. I'm a photographer myself so I can appreciate not wanting to do that.

    For the Logitech MX1000 (wireless mouse) - use batteries. As for your Nintendo DS, the battery life is pretty good on that, so you could just charge it each night instead of lugging the power adapter around.

    1. Re:Stop Being Greedy? by MrMr · · Score: 1

      You clearly haven't completely grasped the K.I.S.S. idea. Making a telephone and squeezing in a radio and camera is the very antithesis of that principle.

    2. Re:Stop Being Greedy? by ilovegeorgebush · · Score: 1

      I meant keep it simple by not using so many devices.

  28. My secret and Thinkgeek's secret by Rob+Kaper · · Score: 1

    ..is not having many single-purpose gadgets but just one multi-purpose pocket computer (aka a modern mobile phone). I'm not bloody Rambo.

    That said: Thinkgeek might have a few gadget-organising gadgets you might be interested in.

    1. Re:My secret and Thinkgeek's secret by kbielefe · · Score: 1

      Thinkgeek does indeed have some nice charging stations. I agree with you about the cell phone, as far as what you carry around. The only things I carry that need daily charging are my cell phone and earpiece, but I have the Portable Electronics Charging Station and love it. I added a receipt spike, so everything from my pockets—wallet, keys, sunglasses, receipts, cell phone, earpiece, and pocketknife—goes in one place when I get home. It hides most of the cords and looks like real furniture, which allows me to keep it out and easily accessible without my wife complaining.

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  29. I've given it thought. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    I get USB chargable devices.

    First of all I try to get things that will charge via USB.

    For instance your Nintendo DS IS USB chargeable. I don't have a DS, but I do have the GBA equivalent to this nice Pelican charger kit. I use the cigarette lighter to USB adapter to charge other low wattage devices, like my iRiver when I'm in the car, not just my GBA SP and GBA Micro (it wasn't powerful enough for any of my previous phones though).

    I bought a PSP a few days ago, I know it's also USB chargeable, I just haven't picked up an adapter yet.

    My Jabra JX10 doesn't take much wattage to charge, neither does my Skype phone I use the USB ports on the back of my KVM to charge those. The KVM is powered, so thats 1 power port for 3 devices.

    I've changed phones many times in the last year, my company keeps swapping them out on me. All three of the phones they've given me in the past year, an older Motorola Q, a Blackberry Curve, and now the older model iPhone all use USB to charge. For the iPhone I actually bought an alarm clock to handle charging that.

    I used to think the idea of using USB to power things was ludicrous, mostly because the first things I saw utilizing USB power were fans, lights, and mini vacs, just stupid little power suckers. Now that I've actually been utilizing it I've been freeing up the power strip. Things like this and this actually seem worth buying.

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    1. Re:I've given it thought. by Drathos · · Score: 1

      I've changed phones many times in the last year, my company keeps swapping them out on me. All three of the phones they've given me in the past year, an older Motorola Q, a Blackberry Curve, and now the older model iPhone all use USB to charge. For the iPhone I actually bought an alarm clock to handle charging that.

      They may all use USB to charge, but for the Motorola, at least, you have to have a Motorola charger. Try plugging it into any other devices USB charger, and it complains about it being an invalid charger and doesn't charge. Even if they use the exact same current for charging. This, IMHO, is the biggest failure of USB as a power source currently. Everyone trying to nickle and dime you by forcing you to use their chargers.

      It's all fine and dandy to say that they all charge the same way and have the same power connectors, but when you still need a separate charger for each device, the 'standard' is broken.

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    2. Re:I've given it thought. by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      The standard isn't broken. It simply was not designed to accommodate "dumb" chargers, no one thought of them when it was designed.

      The USB specification disallows current consumption greater than 100 mA unless the device has requested more from a USB host. As a result, a device can only charge without a PC if one of the following is true:
      1) The device violates the USB specification
      2) The device requires less than 100 mA
      3) The device has some way of knowing that a "dumb" charger is connected and it can draw more than 100 mA without a PC connected. This is not part of the USB 2.0 spec as the USB 2.0 spec was finalized well before USB became popular for charging mobile devices. As a result it's done in nonstandard ways, although there is a de facto standard of grounding the 5th (normally not connected) pin of a Mini-USB plug. Motorola uses this as do quite a few other manufacturers. What other devices' USB charger did you connect it to?

      I believe USB 3.0 addresses the "dumb charger" issue, I'm not sure though.

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  30. Three Mobile Phones? by ilovegeorgebush · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I neglected to ask this in my previous post: why the f-ck have you got three mobile phones?

    1. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by unix+guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He's only got 2 mobile phones - the Nokia N810 is an Internet Tablet. I'm never seen anywhere without mine. It's a geek thing...

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    2. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by Inda · · Score: 2, Funny

      One for business
      One for friends
      One for women

      Doesn't everyone have three phones?

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    3. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      Oh, well then that's completely reasonable. 2 mobile phones, internet tablet, MP3 player, digital camera, and a laptop. Perfectly respectable ensemble for any red-blooded American.

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    4. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually that is:

      One for friends
      One for the wife
      One for girlfriends

    5. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One for the secretary.
      One for the wife.
      One for the girlfriend.

    6. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correction. 2 mobile phones.. since the N810 is a mobile internet messaging device.

    7. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by muffen · · Score: 2, Informative

      One for business One for friends One for women Doesn't everyone have three phones?

      You can talk to women AND post on slashdot?

    8. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I'm a j2me developer and I've got nine phones on my desktop...

    9. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by neonux · · Score: 1

      One for business
      One for friends
      One for women

      You must be new here!

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    10. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We've got... (split over 2 persons)

      3x cellphones (2 personal, 1 work)
      5x laptops (3 personal, 2 work)
      2x cowon a3's
      1x cowon iaudio 5
      1x cowon iaudio 7
      1x digital camera
      1x wireless headphones
      1x Battery charger.

      The only one of those not requiring a charger is the iaudio 5 because it runs on replacable AAA batteries. However the batteries are rechargable so they require a charger :)

      But we are god damn europeans!

      To this we can add 4x WD MyBook 1TB external HDD's that each requires a transformer to run.

      It's just to many cables man.

    11. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...why the f-ck have you got three mobile phones?

      1. Wife
      2. Girlfriend
      3. Boyfriend

      --
      May the Maths Be with you!
    12. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      1) Business - for customers, partners, work colleagues, etc., this changes every time you change your job - switch it off during the night
      2) Friends - you give the number to all your friends, in case anything goes wrong and you have to change your number it will be a pain to notify everyone - switch it off at work
      3) Family - where you family knows they can reach you, for emergencies, etc
      Whenever I'm tired of everything and I go on vacation i only take #3 with me. In case something REALLY goes wrong everyone will be looking for me so my family can call me. Otherwise it's not a real emergency and I don't want partners/friends to bother me while I'm away. At work I can't be bothered by my friends who just call to brag about being at some bar. During the night I don't want to hear anything about work.

    13. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and why have you got a separate mp3 player if you can have phones that have one included? And why have you got a Nokia internet tablet if you have also got a laptop computer? And why have you got a separate camera if all your phones can also take pictures?

    14. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by phorm · · Score: 1

      I can see a reason for two:

      1. Work

      2. Home

      I suppose some people could add from the above:

      3. Mistress

      I'll skip the oblig comment about #1 and #2 not being applicable on /.

    15. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most Pimps have more than three phones, He is just starting out and has only three walkers.

    16. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by neile · · Score: 1

      I asked a cabbie in London once how many cellphones he had, and he replied "three". I asked the same question you did, and got the following explanation:

      1 for business
      1 for talking to his wife
      1 for "other stuff"

      Neil

    17. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by ryanw · · Score: 1

      1) Business - for customers, partners, work colleagues, etc., this changes every time you change your job - switch it off during the night
      2) Friends - you give the number to all your friends, in case anything goes wrong and you have to change your number it will be a pain to notify everyone - switch it off at work
      3) Family - where you family knows they can reach you, for emergencies, etc
      Whenever I'm tired of everything and I go on vacation i only take #3 with me. In case something REALLY goes wrong everyone will be looking for me so my family can call me. Otherwise it's not a real emergency and I don't want partners/friends to bother me while I'm away. At work I can't be bothered by my friends who just call to brag about being at some bar. During the night I don't want to hear anything about work.

      I thought this problem was solved with Caller ID.. Do you seriously need 3 phones to distinguish between friends and family?

      You can get 866 numbers that can forward to your phone. I would rather have 3 different 866 numbers that forward to my phone rather than have three phones. That's insanity.

    18. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One for each ear, and one to talk into. How do you do it?!

    19. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey... I have 3 cell phones too.
      One is for work (my normal, legal day job).
      One is for talking to my normal friends and classmates.
      One is for my "other" job, and for giving out to girls I have one night stands with and stuff like that. Although I guess they they might becomes 2 night stands...

      You know... seems pretty common to me.

    20. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I neglected to ask this in my previous post: why the f-ck have you got three mobile phones?

      1) work
      2) internet
      3) hookas

    21. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by plover · · Score: 1

      Three phones for the Business Kings, under the Skyscrapers,
      Seven for the Dwarf Tossers, in their halls of Filk,
      Nine for the mortal family members, doomed to whine about overage charges,
      One for the Dark Lord, sending text messages from the middle stall at work,
      In the land of America, where the cellphone salesmen lie.
      One ringtone to annoy them all, one ringtone to bind them,
      One ringtone to identify them all and in the shopping mall find them,
      In the land of America, where the cellphone salesmen lie.

      --
      John
  31. Consider charging station DIY or buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Build one your self... Ikea style :-)
    $3 project..
    http://lifehacker.com/software/diy/ikea-charging-station-277771.php

    or get this
    http://lifehacker.com/software/household/mobile-device-recharging-station-137835.php

  32. I've had an idea, and I'm yet to do it. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    I've thought about taking an old AT power supply, or maybe even just a single large 12V AD/DC adapter, building a multi volt break down box, then adding a bunch of by-the voltage power taps to it.

    Say, a common negative rail and a select your own positive rail setup. I figure I can cut the cords off of the chargers each device I want to charge came with, crimp some banana plugs onto them and select the appropriate ports from the box. I've given some thought on a commercial version of this as well, of course the commercial version would have identical plugs on the "box" side and the connecting cable would be keyed for voltage/polarity, we don't want the average luser figuring out their own voltages and polarities now do we?

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  33. Hack your Life! by StarfishOne · · Score: 1

    I mean.. look at sites like Lifehacker:

    Tired of cords and chargers?
    http://lifehacker.com/software/clutter/build-a-cordandcharger-organizer-229408.php

    Somehow I could not reach the article right now, but here's the image of the project that is being described:

    http://cache.lifehacker.com/assets/resources/2007/01/charger%20box.jpg

  34. Welll by ledow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What sort of answer are you expecting?

    - I chop off all the connectors from my expensive, official chargers and solder them to cheap multi-level adaptors?
    - I bought X, a thing which includes connectors for everything and lets you charge Watts of equipment simultaneously?
    - I run DC electric around my house in multi-voltage and have purchased specific connectors for every piece of equipment I own and hope I don't plug my phone into the wrong voltage?

    I don't think that there is a sensible solution at the moment. I tend to have a charging area - where I keep all the chargers on a power strip which is plugged in whenever I need to charge anything. My wife and I often want to charge two similar items at the same time - for those cases I purchase an extra charger (usually from eBay or a boot sale) or use one mains charger and plug the supplied car-charger into a 220-12v adaptor I bought that has a "cigarette lighter" socket on it.

    The other options don't really bear thinking about. Running DC electric around a house is an absolute nightmare so you're basically going to want to lump all the things needing charge near a suitable DC output - which could be the official chargers on a powerstrip, or a multi-voltage thing, like a PC PSU or similar multi-out DC supply if you have THAT many but I'd check the efficiency of using such a thing when a single mobile phone is plugged into it.

    So you have to have all your charging equipment in one place, and you can either rig up some Heath Robinson solution to charge any peripheral with any connector via any voltage or you could just plug the mains adaptors that you already have into a £2.99 power strip. You can neaten it up by hiding the actual blocks out of site and rigging up a bit of polished wood that can hold all the various gadgets with the right connectors already in place through holes on it. But that's just poncing about.

    You don't save much by doing anything different - in fact, the exact opposite when something goes wrong or doesn't work first time. Forget the whiners moaning about the power used by extra PSU's on the strips - plug in an energy monitor while they are all idle if you are that worried, but the easiest solution is "plug them all in when something is charging, take them all out when nothing is", which is facilitated by an amazing invention called the main switch on a power strip.

    There is no magic solution. Even "wireless charging" is bound to be the same in 100 years - every bloody manufacturer will use a different field strength, frequency, polarisation etc. so that you have to buy their charger. Until someone (ISO, I'm looking at you) actually standardises on a DC supply to a house and countries enforce its use in law, you're stuck with it. The only DC standard I'm aware of is in cars and that actually WORKS to a degree - a car charger is a car charger and will work in basically every car in the world (24v supplies on lorries not included, but they do usually come with rather large warnings on the dash and you can get 24-12v convertors for just such an occasion).

    1. Re:Welll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "My wife and I often want to charge two similar items at the same time - for those cases I purchase an extra charger"

      I find that odd. You have two devices, yet they didn't both come with a charger?

    2. Re:Welll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You start off your comment insulting the question. However, in the comments PRIOR to your response, IS in fact the very solution he should have been looking for. The Chargepod looks like exactly what he would be interested in.

    3. Re:Welll by gridzilla · · Score: 1

      The answer Slashdot is probably expecting:
      "I'm not switching to AC voltage, like ever.
      Edison pwnz Tesla."

    4. Re:Welll by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      Forget the whiners moaning about the power used by extra PSU's on the strips - plug in an energy monitor while they are all idle if you are that worried

      Or buy a powerstrip with individual switches.

    5. Re:Welll by bluesatin · · Score: 1

      ISO sure did a great job with that office document format standardisation.

    6. Re:Welll by cgenman · · Score: 1

      My girlfriend made something like this from better homes and gardens.

      Find a really attractive box that matches your decor. Drill or cut a hole in one side, and feed a power strip into it. Plug in all of your electronics. Drill bunches of other holes. Pull just as much of the power cables as you need out the holes. If desired, cover the box in something pretty, like a doily or red napkin. Pray it doesn't overheat.

    7. Re:Welll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So how much money does the in house DC save on the energy bill?

  35. Self retracting by bpkiwi · · Score: 1

    I have a couple of power strips under the desk, and the charger's leads all come up between the desk and the wall, and then through a small Velcro loop (attached to my in-tray). This gives me a 'charging medusa' and I just extend out whatever lead I need. The weight of the leads hanging down the back of the desk means gravity self-retracts the connector back down to the loop when not in use.

  36. My solution... by raehl · · Score: 1

    Whenever possible, only buy things that run on standard, rechargeable batteries - A, AA, C, D and 9V - although I only actually use A, AA and in very limited cases 9V.

    The only place this hasn't worked for me is cell phones, but even there I mitigate by sticking with one cell phone manufacturer. And I suppose one could argue it doesn't work with laptops either, but I consider the power adapter there to just be an external power supply. That it also charges the battery is a bonus.

    1. Re:My solution... by troon · · Score: 1

      ITYM "AA and AAA". A cells are quite rare.

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    2. Re:My solution... by Spacejock · · Score: 1

      Same here - particularly MP3 players. Either it runs on AAA or I'm not buying.

  37. Keep-A-Cable by lapse · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've found this to be very helpful: keepacable.com.

    1. Re:Keep-A-Cable by Stavr0 · · Score: 1

      I've found this to be very helpful: keepacable.com.

      Bread tags? I get those for free every time I purchase a loaf of bread.

  38. Just buy all your stuff from Apple . . . by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

    . . . with the Extended-Dance-Mix Warranty. When your device's batteries are empty, you just take it in to your local Apple Store, and they will return it to you in a couple of days, fully recharged.

    Probably.

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  39. Standardize, please ! by bytesex · · Score: 1

    I think it's time for walled-in 12 volt DC circuitry around the house. Something that sits as a tiny, standard connector on top of all my light sockets. Would that be very difficult; I mean, can you safely, (almost) losslessly, transport 12 volt DC over regular copper wire over a distance of, say, fifty meters ?

    --
    Religion is what happens when nature strikes and groupthink goes wrong.
    1. Re:Standardize, please ! by Slugster · · Score: 1

      Re: DC house wiring--you might want to inquire to code inspectors in your area as to how they wish to see this done. It has been an issue with alternative power systems for quite some time, as in most of the US apparently there is no code standardization for household DC wiring or wall fixtures at all. As such, what code inspectors approve varies somewhat.

      (people who own 12-volt battery systems run into this problem when they want to utilize RV appliances that can run directly off the 12-volt DC power, to avoid needing expensive inverters. If you don't wish to bother the official people, then you could also investigate solar/wind power forums online for more info on this matter)

      Regarding wall-warts--when I get a new one now, I put two duct-tape flags on the wire, one near the plug and the other near the transformer, and then write on them exactly what the damn thing goes to. In the past the charger used to have something on the label that indicated what it went to, but now many times they don't.... -I've got too many to remember which goes to what, and so far I seem to be maintaining 100% diversity; they all seem to be different voltages and/or plug types.
      ~

  40. Re:Three step process... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You bought an iPhone. You've thrown out your dignity as well.

  41. Because chargers cost $0.99 to make by Colin+Smith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And you are more than happy to buy one locking you to a specific manufacturer for $19.99. Same reason the headsets are all different.

    The manufacturers are simply giving you what you ask for. YOU are the problem.

     

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    1. Re:Because chargers cost $0.99 to make by Rob+Kaper · · Score: 1

      That's a false argument.

      First of all, you get one headset and charger for free with a new phone.

      Estimate life-time of a phone? 12 or 24 months, depending on your contract. Chargers easily last that long. Headsets might not under heave use, but that's why you should get a phone with a regular 3.5mm jack plug. Or just make sure the phone supports A2DP - I've fucked up plenty of headset cables but I just can't seem to fuck up Bluetooth.

    2. Re:Because chargers cost $0.99 to make by Stewie241 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ahhh... but say you want the car charger? That'll be an extra $25. They find ways to make money on sales of these things. If all devices used USB, you wouldn't have these charges.

    3. Re:Because chargers cost $0.99 to make by amnezick · · Score: 1

      "First of all, you get one headset and charger for free with a new phone." ??

      You are not considering that maybe the phone would cost less without the headset and the charger that you think you are getting for free. for the 2.5mm jack you can always buy an adapter to 3.5 which is like 5$ or so. It is useful especially if you have radio on your phone and it needs antenna cable plugged in (most do).

      As for the standardized gadget chargers ... I'm glad with how they are right now because unfortunately they do make gadgets need different V/A to charge and plugging in the wrong charger at 2am just when you're about to go to bed can make the sleep go away ...

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    4. Re:Because chargers cost $0.99 to make by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure cars will start having USB plugs soon...

    5. Re:Because chargers cost $0.99 to make by johnny0099 · · Score: 1

      Ahhh... but say you want the car charger? That'll be an extra $25.

      My VW has AC right behind the center console. Me happy and cursing less.

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    6. Re:Because chargers cost $0.99 to make by againjj · · Score: 1

      Hah! My RAZR has a mini USB connector, but you can't attach any random USB cable to it -- you get an "Unauthorized Charger" error and it refuses to charge. Fortunately it will use the power so you can make calls as long as you are plugged in, but it won't charge. Then they charge for all the little charging devices (like for the car). If you get their CD (for a price), you can turn your PC into an "authorized charger", but only if you have Windows -- they don't have Mac/Linux/whatever drivers.

    7. Re:Because chargers cost $0.99 to make by Stewie241 · · Score: 1

      That's a nice feature, but IMO, is not the way to go, because car electronics already runs on likely 5V, 12V and maybe 24V (though IANAMechanic). Yes, the alternator will generator AC current, but that would mean that it would only work when the engine is running. To convert from DC, to AC, and then back to DC seems awfully inefficient. Sure, there are work arounds, but in the end, a standardized charging plug (such as USB, which is used for many devices nowadays - motorola phones, blackberries, etc), is the way to go, IMO.

    8. Re:Because chargers cost $0.99 to make by Stewie241 · · Score: 1

      That's very interesting. That happens in the car too? My blackberry will charge on Linux, but you need a special driver (that was available in Ubuntu repos) so that it would recognize the device and up the current. That seems reasonable to me, because standard current allowance is less than what it needs. The car is no problem because car chargers are generally higher current than the 500mA or whatever it is for USB anyway (maybe it is 100, not sure *shrug*). My sister has a Motorola (not sure which one), and it has a USB connector - I don't know if she tried connecting it to a different charger, but I assume it would work, though after hearing your story, maybe not.

    9. Re:Because chargers cost $0.99 to make by johnny0099 · · Score: 1

      Well, IMO, it certainly is the current (pun intended) way to go. Why wouldn't my car infrastructure match my home infrastructure? My car also has 12V DC in the center console and the trunk. I'm not sure how it works, but I doubt the AC in my car is being converted from DC (hopefully only in some UPS mode). 'cause that would be silly for a moving anything with a motor.

      Coleman's hot date put it so well, "Why can't we have both?"

      Everything everybody is saying about USB goes without saying. So...I won't.

      --
      Get your dogma outta my yard!
    10. Re:Because chargers cost $0.99 to make by Stewie241 · · Score: 1

      Well, for your situation, perhaps, but in general it isn't the most efficient solution. AC power in the home because historically that is how we've transmitted it. DC in car because that is what your battery is, and that is what your car electronics use. If the AC on your dash works without the engine turned on, then it is most certainly converted from DC. It uses the same technology that those inverters use that you can get everywhere now.

    11. Re:Because chargers cost $0.99 to make by Stewie241 · · Score: 1

      Oh, and I'm not saying you can't have both, I'm just saying that straight DC is the better solution in this case, so if we are talking about setting some sort of standard, it is the way to go.

    12. Re:Because chargers cost $0.99 to make by johnny0099 · · Score: 1
      My situation is most people's situation. You too have AC outlets in your home, right? You too buy gadgets that only come with wall warts, yes? To refresh your memory, here's what I originally responded to:

      Ahhh... but say you want the car charger? That'll be an extra $25.

      I have one solution to my needs. I didn't say it was the best or most efficient. But it's one, not two. In this case, one being better than two. So, that's what I would like you to argue, the one vs two. The $25 vs $0.

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      Get your dogma outta my yard!
    13. Re:Because chargers cost $0.99 to make by Stewie241 · · Score: 1

      Well, sure, one is better. I would argue for that one being USB though. You too, have a computer, don't you (and therefore a USB port).

      Cheap wall warts seem to be terribly inefficient. They use cheap parts and therefore aren't the most efficient transformers.

      Of course, I suppose the long term real solution is wireless power, but that's a few years off.

      I have a wall charger for my blackberry. I seldom use it. I either charge on my PC, or if I forget and I'm in the car, I use the car charger. It syncs anyway, and that is the direction most devices are going - interconnectivity is the future. You have to plugin to the PC anyhow, so why not charge through that same connection, and why not make it USB?

  42. Re:Three step process... by antifoidulus · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I agree, I used to be such a gadgetphile till I got my iPhone, now for the most part my gadget lust is sated(though a DS is still a better gaming machine)

  43. Re:Three step process... by khing · · Score: 1

    missing steps 4) ... 5) profit!

  44. Re:Three step process... by daveime · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Dump it all for an iPhone ... yeah right !!!

    Just because you are willing to compromise on everything doesn't mean the rest of us should ...

    Nokia N810 = 800 x 480 display
    iPhone = 320 x 480 display (FAIL)

    Canon Powershot SD1000 = 7.1 megapix
    iPhone = 2 megapix (FAIL)

    Cowan iAudio X5L = 30GB storage
    iPhone = 4GB or 8GB (FAIL)

    Lenovo Thinkpad = erm, it's a Laptop
    iPhone = erm, it's NOT (FAIL)

    Logitech MX1000 = erm, it's a Mouse
    iPhone = erm, it's NOT (FAIL)

    Nintendo DS = erm, it's a good little games console
    iPhone = erm, it's NOT (FAIL)

    To be honest, I can't think of a single, sensible reason to buy an iPhone. It is jack of all trades and master of none.

  45. Standardise on one or two voltages by russsell · · Score: 1

    I choose 12V equipment wherever possible and have made a tiny power-board where many things plug in: ADSL modem, Ethernet switch, Radio gear, LED lighting, etc.

    I also have a 5V connector for things that I can't get 12V versions, eg Zonbu computer, etc

    Overall it works very well - the desk is very neat.

    1. Re:Standardise on one or two voltages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So wait, you plan what electronics you'll buy based solely off the idea of whether they will or won't plug into the power board you made?

      How long have you known you have Asperger's?

    2. Re:Standardise on one or two voltages by russsell · · Score: 1

      No, perhaps you missed the words "whenever possible."

      Simply put, if I have the choice between buying something with a 7.5V plugpack or a 12V plugpack, I choose the 12V one.

      And regarding Asperger's, my social interaction is quite fine thank you!

    3. Re:Standardise on one or two voltages by tessonec · · Score: 1

      Wrong moderation, sorry

  46. Multi purpose charger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    get a charger with multiple plugs and charge them all using a single transformer

    most mobile devices will charge at similar voltages

  47. Standard, intelligent chargers by chrisjj · · Score: 1

    Here's a grand idea, but it's going to be the usual issue of chicken and egg to get it widely accepted. http://blog.scilla.org.uk/2008/06/greener-better-more-convenient.html

  48. The fun only starts ... by Ihlosi · · Score: 1

    Not a single pair of them share a similar connector.

    ... when you have devices with identical connectors that expect different voltages/polarities. Let the smoking and fireworks begin!

  49. PowerMonkey is your friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    PowerMonkey charges anything I own (iPhone, ipod, Nokia phones, mini-USB, DS, PSP etc) and to top it off it has a built-in large capacity battery.

    Check it out: https://powertraveller.com/

  50. Tangled chargers are part of geek biology by damburger · · Score: 1

    You buy the gadgets, then sew the leads into a nest in which you can raise geeklets.

    To be honest, I think having too many chargers to handle is a sign of having too many gadgets. Either find ones with combined functionality, or do without some of your toys you freakish cyborg person.

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  51. I already did this for my USB hard drives. by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    I have about of them around here and a couple of transformers already died. HDDs are 12V so I got an old AT power supply and used that for power.

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  52. Tripp Lite mounted behind my desk... by mccabem · · Score: 1

    I use these units mounted behind my desk, parallel and about 12" above my desktop. Mounted a few inches below the desktop would be a little harder to access, but would be nearly invisible. Make sure you screw into nothing but studs for support.

    Of course wall warts still chew up multiple outlets, but it hurts less when you have that many.

    -Matt

  53. Charger box by tcdk · · Score: 1

    I inserted a 6 plug power strip with on/off switch in to a large box, with a hole at one end with the on/off switch sticking out. All the bricks and chargers are in the box and plugged in. A few of the charge wires come out on the side of the box, for easy attachment of a device. For some of the devices, mostly my pocket camera that has a charging station, I have to lift the lid of the box. Just search for "charger box" and you'll find example of people doing this: http://www.google.com/search?q=charger+box

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  54. Standardizing chargers ? by davro · · Score: 0

    I have not owned a mobile phone for about 8 years, but for my laptop and psp and other devices i chuck them all in my laptop backpack and i get stronger the more i add, what does not kill you makes you stronger. I agree about standardizing these charging sockets but i would become weaker as my backpack would become lighter, suppose i could just buy some more devices to make it heavier again.

  55. Label them by TheGreatOrangePeel · · Score: 1

    Wow. A lot of people are scoffing at this question, but I agree with OP that all these chargers are a pain in the ass.

    The best I've come up with is to write on the side of each one (using white-out) what it is for, so when I unplug it and toss it in my bag of wires, I can tangle through the mess and pull out the one I need.

    Another solution (and one I don't care for, personally because I know I'd just end up frying one of my toys) is to go to Big Box Store Co. and buy what is often branded as a 'universal charger' that has multiple plug ends and a slider on the power adapter to change the voltage output. Just watch out and make sure the 'universal charger' spits out enough current for each of your devices.

  56. iPhone? by wisty · · Score: 1

    What about the greatest device ever created, the iPhone 3G?

  57. Green Plug is already trying to do this by wyoung76 · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.greenplug.us/ Green Plug has been mentioned before on /. and has been adopted by Westinghouse (http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/15/0136223) If it is adopted widely, the problem of multiple chargers will largely disappear.

    1. Re:Green Plug is already trying to do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.greenplug.us/

      Green Plug has been mentioned before on /. and has been adopted by Westinghouse (http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/15/0136223)

      If it is adopted widely, the problem of multiple chargers will largely disappear.

      And Intel is trying to remove the wire completely:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/21/technology/21intel.html?th&emc=th

      /Ed

    2. Re:Green Plug is already trying to do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just what we need... another "standard" that no one will use.

      We already have USB, which not only provides power, but can also be used by the device to communicate with your computer. So you get two uses with one plug.

  58. Zipties by Lally+Singh · · Score: 1

    Simple,

        Zip-tie all the chargers together, with ~1 ft of slack between the connector & the zip tie. Put in additional zip ties until you get to the power strip, then hook them all in. $5 for the zip ties, and you can just cut them out (be careful!) when you want to reorganize.

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  59. Avoid the blog, link directly to the source... by wyoung76 · · Score: 1
  60. Simple answer by FoolsGold · · Score: 1

    Have a power strip with a maximum of 3 or 4 chargers plugged into it at any given time. All remaining chargers are stored in a drawer or another appropriate container. I would be surprised if all the devices need charging at once, as some gadgets would be used more than others.

    So you'll have to swap out chargers once in a while, big deal. It's cleaner this way.

  61. Re: step down transformers by neonsignal · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's not the step down transformers, it's the linear regulators on the output that are wasteful. Anyway, most power packs are switch mode these days.

    The switch mode supplies are less like bricks, but as a colleague of mine says, with a switcher on the mains, you are only 20ms away from disaster.

  62. build one of these by racerx509 · · Score: 1

    http://www.popsci.com/diy/article/2008-06/popsci-5-minute-project-gadget-charging-station

    Popular science had a nice article on how to build your own recharging station designed to cut down on the clutter. It looks like it would help in your situation.

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  63. Re:Three step process... by shmlco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I said keep the laptop, did I not? Reading for comprehension: FAIL

    Besides, I ALWAYS have my iPhone with me. And it can, to some extent, and in most cases to the extent necessary, stand in for all of those other things.

    You on the other hand, may or may not, depending on whether or not you loaded up your Batman utility belt that morning, be carrying the LG, the Nokia, the Ericcson, the Canon, the Cowan, or the Nintendo. Nor, given the subject of the post, will you be totally certain that any or all of them are charged up and ready to go. (BTW, you forgot to mention the book reader/Kindle, GPS/Magellen, ...., ah, never mind.)

    From my perspective, having the perfect dedicated device for each and every function does me no good whatsoever when it's sitting on the shelf at home because I didn't feel like being an electronic pack mule that day.

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  64. New kid on the block by Apoorv+Khatreja · · Score: 1

    I've just started going to college and so I've got quite some new gadgets - we have 4 phones at home (each with a different charger and connector), a camcorder, a bluetooth headset, and a rechargeable flashlight.

    This is a new problem for me and to sort this out, I am trying to find some kind of a universal charger, something like a swiss knife, but for chargers. The problem is really serious as we have limited plug sockets in the wall, and we have fights on who gets to charge their phone first, and other times, who gets to charge their device WHERE.

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  65. fyi-- the MX/batteries by way2trivial · · Score: 1

    they are integral-- much like the iphone/ipods
    they don't come out-- and do require a wall charger...

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    1. Re:fyi-- the MX/batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MX charger can be used with older nokia phones. The plug is loose, but it will fit. Used it with my 6060 this morning, since I left my nokia charger at my (ex)girlfriends apartment and was running out of battery. The transformer says 8V dc but there must be a regulator attached to the wire because the locitech uses lithium batteries and also because my cell phone didn't catch fire.

  66. USB, if not already stated by da3dAlus · · Score: 1

    A while back I switched to all USB chargers for my gadgets. I found a USB adapter for my Nintendo DS (charges both the Lite and older "phat" model) and my cellphone, and a 3rd-party charger for my iPod. Since I normally travel with my laptop, I can charge my devices from that during the day. However, the NDS charger came with a car adapter that has a USB socket, so I could use that to charge a device while on the road. And my iPod charger came with a tiny wall-wart that also has a USB socket, so I could use household current to charge as well. So my only problem now is that I have maybe 3 different types of cables floating around in my gadget bag, but at least I've dropped all the bulky chargers.

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  67. eh? by EdgeyEdgey · · Score: 1

    It's called K.I.S.S

    Keep it stupid simple?

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  68. Re:easy by JustOK · · Score: 2, Funny

    but that would drain the charge in my gadget thrower. Then what?

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  69. Why are they all at your desk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have my phone and headset chargers at my nightstand. Your phones can (hopefully) make it through a day without needing to be plugged in, so why keep all the clutter at your desk? If you need to charge them there, any USB chargers you can get are worthwhile.

  70. file them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in the trash

  71. THE bag by Jftavira · · Score: 1

    Bad news, no perfect solution. If able I always chose USB powered stuff. If not, I look for USB power adapters (seen for nokia and most mobile phones). Anyway I usually carry an small bag inside my laptop bag to keep all chargers, adaptors, flash, usb, network cable etc so it is not messed up with papers, businesscards, wallet, etc. Wondering what women's bag was for? ;)

  72. pottery barn charging station by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use this for my recharging. it's a nice station that hides all the cables...
    http://www.potterybarn.com/products/p9171/index.cfm?pkey=xsrd0m1|20|||0|||||||recharge&cm_src=SCH

  73. iGo from Radio Shack by Carrion+Creeper · · Score: 1

    I'm a fan of iGo from radio shack. Bit expensive, but there are tips for the same charger to charge just about anything.

    It takes some physical effort to change the tips, but it can't be beat when traveling. I have chargers for USB, old Motorola, a PDA, Gameboy, iPod, and a GPS receiver, and only need to carry one brick.

  74. I solved this problem by BitterOldGUy · · Score: 1
    by not buying so much electronic shit.

    God! Talk about consumerism gone ape! Just because someone comes out with some sort of electronic gadget doesn't mean you have to go out and buy it.

    1. Re:I solved this problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1.

  75. Re:Three step process... by daveime · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'm not suggesting by any means that it's necessary to carry ALL thos devices around ALL the time ... in fact as three of them are cellphones anyway, I can't think of a situation when I'd NEED all three of them at the same time.

    However, the point of my post (comprehension not being your strong point either obviously), is that the iPhone is a piss-poor replacement for ANY of them, and by compromising on quality you end up with shitty results.

    I usually know IN ADVANCE when I'm going somewhere special and might feel the need to take a nice photograph, ergo the camera would only be necessary on those days. Whereas you, with your trusty iPhone, can take a shot anytime granted, but it'll be grainy quality crap and you'll regret afterwards having not taken the nice camera instead.

    If i want to put an MP3 on my phone, I'll do it ... I don't have to go to the web-store first, or get Steve Jobs permission to listen to my own bloody music. And the iPhone has GPS does it ? Newsflash, so do a lot of other phones too. The iPhone has been playing catch-up since it left the drawing board - and up till now it hasn't caught up.

    And you've had to wait for almost a year just to get 3G ... well you got it now, but only at the expense of calls dropping left right and center, and a patch that seeming didn't work after all. Can't you see the whole world is laughing at you, or are you too dazzled by the sun reflecting off the "shiny" to see past your own nose ?

    Any time I read a post from an Apple fanboi, invariably I find the words "in most cases to the extent necessary", or similar apologetic terms, rather than just standing up and admitting you wasted $300 on something shiny that performs worst than just about anything else on the market (and usually costs a lot cheaper too).

    And now I'd better put on my asbestos underwear, I can imagine the fanbois tooling up with flaming torches and pitchforks as I write.

  76. Reminds me Douglas Adams by chrysalis · · Score: 1

    Ahaha this reminds me a novel that Douglas Adams wrote to MacUser in September 1996. It's available in the book published after his death. The Novel is called "Les petits bitoniaux" in French, I don't know what the original title is, but it's worth a read.

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  77. Re:Three step process... by kipman725 · · Score: 1

    I have one, one power charger! (couldn't resist)

  78. Dongly Things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For those who haven't read Douglas Adams's "The Salmon of Doubt" and the excellent essay on power supplies (a.k.a. little dongly things) here's a link: http://www.douglasadams.com/dna/980707-03-a.html

    1. Re:Dongly Things by RandoX · · Score: 1

      Thank You.

  79. Re:Three step process... by kipman725 · · Score: 1

    so true, since mobile phones have had decent cameras I have much more pictures as my camera is there whenever I need it. SLR's produce nice pictures but you don't carry them around on whim due to the bulk and weight.

  80. UK Citizens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    UK citizens may want to sign this petition to the government for the standardisation of power adaptors. http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/chargers/

  81. Chuck by chrysalis · · Score: 1

    Chuck Norris doesn't need any power adapter. Chuck *is* the power.

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  82. Two things: by ATOMISCHE · · Score: 1

    First, label both ends (the plug and the connector) clearly. Second, get an over-the-door shoe organizer from iKea or some place. This same technique works for all the extra cables (usb, etc.) that come with each gadget, and in many cases the gadget itself can be stored and organized this way. Photo: http://superfuzzy.com/2008-03-07/cable-storage/

  83. PowerMonkey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Powermonkey do a device that can charge pretty much any mobile phone, camera or hand-held game console and sell plugs for sets of devices.

    It is amazing to discover that they all seem to be able to charge from the same transformer.

    Problem with Powermonkey is that though it works brilliantly it's designed to charge on the move, and it does the biz from it's internal battery which can't charge while it's charging one of your devices.

    It amazes me that no-one sells and switching powersupply with an array of plugs.

  84. DS? by Amiralul · · Score: 1

    Nintendo DS?! Come on man, get the real thing, PSP!

  85. Play hide and seek with them all... by mojoriesen · · Score: 1

    At Home: 1. Find your kitchen's junk drawer 2. Clean out the junk 3. Bolt in a power strip (or two) inside the drawer 4. Run a wire from one of the wall outlets and add a plug within the cabinet below 5. Plug away and hide the devices At Work: 1. Screw/bolt the power strip(s) to the bottom of your desk - (or hang them below your desk off a cube wall if you're fortunate enough to work in a cubicle) 2. Plug in all the chargers and run the wires between the wall and the desktop NOTE: Either way, use velcro straps, twist ties, rubber bands, or something to shorten the wires to the minimum length needed. You can also use a smal dot of paint to color code each device and its respective chord if you don't mind doing so. Or for the OCD, use a label maker.

  86. Charger hider box by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 1

    Just make a box for the power strip with the wall-wart chargers, then run the cables out the top or side and set items on top of the box for charging. You can get fancy with the box design or not, but it will look better than cables everywhere regardless of how plain it is.

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  87. Re:Three step process... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean the iphone isn't like an ipod, in that you can't listen to MP3s? Or did ipods change since I last bought them?

  88. Is there an inventor in the house? by MessyBlob · · Score: 1

    We need a four-rail power connector standard, which automatically negotiates the power needed: +1.25V? to handle negotiation signals, the DC power required, plus two ground lines. You then have one transformer box with 10+ leads off a signal bus. There is then the small matter of persuading the whole electronics industry to support the standard... *cough*

  89. buy 3rd party multipurpose chargers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's consumerism at work: there are cheap standard connectors and universally accepted charging voltages, still corporations continue to spend money developing their own stuff when it's not necessary just for the sake of forcing the consumer to buy one more thing from them (spare or car charger, USB adapter, etc.). The western corporate world still isn't mature enough to stop this nonsense, so your best choice now is to buy one of those multipurpose chargers with adapters suitable for different gadgets.

    If you stay with the original ones, put them on one of those multiple outlet power strips with a switch for each socket, so you can save energy by switching off chargers not in use.
    Using a small piece of colored tape on each charger plug and the appliance it charges may also help to avoid confusion or errors.

  90. Chargepod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're out of luck on the Canon Powershot SD1000 and the Logitech MX1000 - they both appear to require docks for charging.

    For your other devices, get a ChargePod. You can charge six devices simultaneously.

    What you'll need is:

    CHPA-0001 - This is this chargepod itself
    SMSG-0001 - This is the adapter for the Cowan X5 series
    NINA-0001 - Nintendo DS
    CHUA-0002 - Sony Ericsson Z310a
    LGVX-0001 - LG CHOCOLATE
    NDC2-0001 - Nokia N810

    You might also want to grab CCPA-0001 - the 12V car adapter for the chargepod. I'd probably also grab a MUSB-0001, the mini-USB adapter. Things that charge off of mini-USB are everywhere.

    Grand total for all this? $119.60

    Yeah, its pricey, but simultaneously charging 6 devices off of one outlet is priceless. ;p

    1. Re:Chargepod by randomaxe · · Score: 1

      Priceless, sure, but where do you put it? The Chargepod is designed like a hub and the device adapters are like short little spokes, so if you're going to be charging a full load of six devices, you're now going to need to devote a flat surface to being the permanent home of the Chargepod and its guests.

      If it was an attractive setup, that would be one thing, but it's not. It's a crapload of cables. I can't think of any place in my house where I'd want to leave something like that laying out and cluttering up a surface.

  91. If nothing else, label them when you get them! by quux4 · · Score: 1

    One bummer of all those wallwarts is, they look alike but do not work alike. So 2 years later, when you haul an old gadget back from your Gadget Graveyard, figuring out which wallwart powers or charges it is a pain.

    A cheap labeller can be used to help with this, as many wallwarts just have some generic writing on them. Or just some athletic tape and a Sharpie marker. I label all my wallwarts now.

  92. Re:Three step process... by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 1

    Dump it all for an iPhone ... yeah right !!!

    Just because you are willing to compromise on everything doesn't mean the rest of us should ...

    Nokia N810 = 800 x 480 display iPhone = 320 x 480 display (FAIL)

    Canon Powershot SD1000 = 7.1 megapix iPhone = 2 megapix (FAIL)

    Cowan iAudio X5L = 30GB storage iPhone = 4GB or 8GB (FAIL)

    Lenovo Thinkpad = erm, it's a Laptop iPhone = erm, it's NOT (FAIL)

    Logitech MX1000 = erm, it's a Mouse iPhone = erm, it's NOT (FAIL)

    Nintendo DS = erm, it's a good little games console iPhone = erm, it's NOT (FAIL)

    To be honest, I can't think of a single, sensible reason to buy an iPhone. It is jack of all trades and master of none.

    You're missing the point. I currently run an HP IPAQ 6515. The camera is not as good as I'd like; the keyboard is not as good as I'd like; the screen is not as good as I'd like; and it currently runs Windows Mobile, which I don't much like. But it does everything, and it fits in one (count them, one) pocket. It also only needs to be recharged once a week, so I don't need to carry a charger with me unless I'm going to be on the road for more than a week.

    With modern mobile devices, most people don't need a laptop (although they may need a better keyboard - I definitely can't touch type on the IPAQ). And if you don't need the laptop you don't need the mouse. And if the choice is between a less than perfect camera or audio player or word processor on the one hand and carrying around a heavy bag on the other, I'll take portability!

    Nokia N810 + Canon Powershot SD1000 + Cowan iAudio X5L + Lenovo Thinkpad + Logitech MX1000 do not fit in one pocket, FAIL.

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  93. bread box... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buy a cheap wooden bread box.. Put a power strip inside with all your chargers.. Then you don't see all the wires.. Just a bread box.. Of course people may wonder why you have a bread box on your desk..

    (3 phones??)

  94. Mini USB- or no sale! by Helix150 · · Score: 1

    I have a simple solution- unless the gadget in question presents overwhelming value and no equivalents are available, I simply refuse to buy products that don't use standard Mini-USB ports for charging.

    There are a few exceptions to this (IE canon dSLR camera, uses a larger Lithium battery that has its own charger) but for the most part it's worked great.

    Also I am always sure to email a manufacturer when I pass their product over for this reason. Most seem interested in the feedback, so I'd suggest you all do the same...

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  95. USB Standard by flahwho · · Score: 1

    Most of the small device companies have a USB hookup, but guess what - that takes a proprietary cable too! One Reason these companies have not adopted USB (or any other standard)for charging is money. If I buy a Samsung phone a Windows mobile device, a Mp3 Player and a camera, and they all take the same charger, then the respective manufacturers are out a LOT of money. Honestly, from a consumer standpoint I think it's dumb too.

  96. Oh great Engineering Gods Help us! by thbigr · · Score: 1

    Did I so agree with you. I understand the desire for electric engineers to change the voltage/amperage for what ever device, but why not at least offer a small converter, if not change the device to deal with the same voltage/amperage and F'ing' change it in the device.

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  97. Re:Three step process... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nokia N810 = 800 x 480 display
    iPhone = 320 x 480 display (FAIL)

    Nokia: huge. iPhone: small.

    Canon Powershot SD1000 = 7.1 megapix
    iPhone = 2 megapix (FAIL)

    iPhone: Good enough for snaps. Does that Powershot have a phone?

    Cowan iAudio X5L = 30GB storage
    iPhone = 4GB or 8GB (FAIL)

    I don't need 30GB for music and movies, my 8GB holds three-four movies and all my 3 star + rated music.

    Lenovo Thinkpad = erm, it's a Laptop
    iPhone = erm, it's NOT (FAIL)

    Is your camera phone's browser as good as the mobile Safari? Nah.

    Nintendo DS = erm, it's a good little games console
    iPhone = erm, it's NOT (FAIL)

    Yes it is.

    To be honest, I can't think of a single, sensible reason to buy an iPhone. It is jack of all trades and master of none.

    It's good with a jack of all trades sometimes, for when you don't want to bring all your shit, which you'd have to do with your things above anyways. When I need a cam I take the SLR, when I need a computer I bring the MacBook, etc. But day-to-day, a smartphone does what you need.

  98. 3 hour tour by flahwho · · Score: 1

    Just make a universal battery charger out of a wooden bicycle and a few coconuts!

  99. Re:Three step process... by BlueBoxSW.com · · Score: 1

    I agree, it's much handier to carry 6 devices around than one, single, device. FAIL.

  100. Re:Three step process... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    /. is all about working out which trolls are insightful and which are not.. generally if you're against success and believe in global warming, you're heading for a 5

  101. Neat Charging Pad by Mctittles · · Score: 1

    http://www.wildcharge.com/index.cfm?CFID=14618980&CFTOKEN=57894540 This looks like a neat little charging pad. Just drop your device down to charge. Will have to wait until they support more devices though...

  102. too many by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

    or maybe you're a consumerist douchebag who has too many plastic Chinese gadgets?

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  103. Re:Three step process... by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

    "didn't feel like being an electronic pack mule that day" - oh my ghod! Intruder Alert! Intruder Alert!

    How can any trueblue slashdotter not want to be an electronic pack mule? Why, if they ever come up with a way to get electricity from a biological process, I'll be hooking up all my gadgets to myself!

  104. Re:Three step process... by Atlantis-Rising · · Score: 1

    It would be much easier to compress your comment into the simple statement that convergent devices do everything poorly and nothing well.

    For those of us who like devices that actually do things well, separate units is the way to go.

    I used to like convergent devices; I had a HTC Universal, in the hopes that it would combine my camera, PDA, phone, and music player. Hell, it even had a gameboy emulator on it. But after a while, I realized that it made a crappy phone, a crappy camera, a bulky PDA, and had a terrible control scheme to be a gameboy. Sure, it played music, but it was terribly bulky for that and held only about 4GB based on the size of my SD card at the time.

    I also realized I didn't need most of that crap anyway. Now I just carry a cellphone, which has an equally crappy camera in it- but hey, I don't use the camera that often and it's a slim cell phone. I also carry a blackberry for PDA and messaging if I need it... and last but not least, I've realized that I don't actually need a gameboy or a music player the vast majority of the time.

    That's not to say, however, that I've learned my lesson. The weight saved in my gear-bag is now occupied with a night vision monocular...

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  105. Re:Three step process... by wooferhound · · Score: 1

    Isn't it a pretty good Phone ?

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  106. Attack the Problem At Its Root by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

    I attack the problem at its root and have a whitelist of connectors I am willing to use. Anything that doesn't have such a connector, I don't buy. Everything I have that needs charging can be charged either with a universal adapter, or by taking out the batteries and putting them in a battery charger. Manufacturers who insist on making up their own proprietary and incompatible junk when there are existing standards available can stuff it.

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  107. Use only one brand or one type of cable by bazorg · · Score: 1

    Cable and charger compatibility is an important criterion for me. Everything that uses a miniUSB plug, AA or AAA batteries gets to be picked first.

  108. epa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we will get the epa to mandate all these greed-driven companies to used the same charger and USB connector. we can do this in the name of reducing pollution while actually ya won't have to pay $20 for a piece of junk that ain't worth two bucks

    reference: understanding politics of regulation by go figure

  109. Re:Three step process... by cowscows · · Score: 1

    For any function that you can find on a swiss army knife, you can also find a number of stand-alone tools that are generally superior for accomplishing their specific tasks. But that doesn't mean that a swiss army knife isn't an incredibly useful thing to carry around. (Although, personally I prefer a Leatherman)

    There are many people for whom the trade-off of lower quality in exchange for the convenience of carrying less tools around all day is an easy one. It's often a very pragmatic decision. The cellphone is turning out to be the swiss army knife of electronics.

    As for the iPhone in particular, it does some things worse that the other options, but it does somethings better. Sure, there are apple fanbois who will make excuses for the flaws, but that's not any more ridiculous than you saying "the whole world is laughing at you." Neither of them are true or useful things to claim.

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  110. iGO or Kensington by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

    Both make chargers that use special tips to carge devices. One charger, multiple tips. I carry one on tripsand am generally satisfied. iGo also has a battery pack that uses 2 Aa and a tip as an emergency power source which is a handy thing to have as well.

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  111. "The Cave digger 5000 !!!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nah, my wives 'gadgets' run on size 'C' batteries ;)

  112. Do NOT leave them all plugged while not used! by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    You should know that you can destroy chargers by leaving them plugged while not connected to the charging device.
    Additionally you waste energy, as you can easily find out from the heat they produce.

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  113. Get a grip of yourself! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My macbook charges my iphone (one charger in total), the DSLR has it's own charger. What else do you need (unless you need a different phone for every single wife or girlfriend)?

  114. You have eight devices?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, there are poor starving children in Africa who only have one device to charge...

  115. Stickers by rishistar · · Score: 1

    First thing I do is put stickers on them so I can tell whats what. Then get power strips with individual turn off/on capabilities (or as a whole) as the power strip gets shared with mains appliances.

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  116. Milk Crate by Misch · · Score: 1

    I suggest a milk crate. If you don't want to go the milk crate route, a file storage crate will work really well also.

    Put the power strip in an out of the way corner. Plug in all the pluggables. Flip the crate over, and put it over the power strip. Feed the ends out of the crate. Put a fancy covering or something on top.

    This way, the power strips are pretty much out of sight. You can put things on top of the crate while they're charging.

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  117. Get rid of them all, be happy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just am happy. Only bought one cell phone in my hole life, at 27, now 30. One notebook. Nothing else.

  118. My chosen solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  119. Garden Rake by Dr.+Hok · · Score: 1

    I screwed a rake to the wall (without the stick), made a loop knot into each cable and hung them from the spikes. Every cable has a paper fastened to it with sticky tape, bearing the name of the device (because some of them look too similar). The cables don't entagle, and it takes a second to choose the right one.

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  120. Get creative, hide them in a customized cabinet by MaxDude · · Score: 1

    My wife and I each have cell phones, PDAs, bluetooth headsets, and rechargeable batteries.

    That's 8 chargers right there, and the tangle of cords was too much for either of us. Too often, something went uncharged because the lack of outlet space left these devices spread around the house.

    Solution: I bought a small cabinet for the living room, about 10" deep, 42" high, and 48" wide. It had two drawers set above two doors. The drawers were about 5" deep, and were lined, perfect for storing/charging our electronic devices.

    After making some minor repairs and some paint, (it was on clearance due to some cosmetic damage.) I removed the rear panel and began to create a new home for all of our chargers.

    I added brackets to the top edge of the back to the drawers to hold the cables neatly in place. This prevents the cables from slipping out of the drawer, and keeps them from getting tangled.

    I cut out a small portion of the rear support under the drawers to allow the cables to be fed up from inside the cabinet.

    I then cut a hole in the rear panel, that matched the wall outlet placement at the location where the cabinet would stand. Then I re-assembled the unit.

    I then mounted two power strips inside the cabinet, on the rear vertical supports. These would accept the power-blocks and chargers.

    It now sits in our living room, a nice addition to the decor, and a neat way to hide/charge all of our devices, my devices in one drawer, my wife's devices in the other.

    1. Re:Get creative, hide them in a customized cabinet by OneSmartFellow · · Score: 1

      Can you say 'Fire Hazard' ?

    2. Re:Get creative, hide them in a customized cabinet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of the power adapters ever get that hot, I know because that worried me too.

      The excess power cords are bundled together to avoid accidental damage.

      I plugged everything in at oynce, and came back in ten minutes to check the adapters and cord for over-heating. I had no problems, but every combination of adapters should be checked.

  121. Powermonkey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dump them, and get a powermonkey

    http://www.powertraveller.co.uk/

  122. Put them in a drawer by spacemky · · Score: 1

    I run my charger cords into a drawer (through the back), and keep all the ugly cellphones, gameboy, USB devices and cable mess inside of the drawer. It keeps the counters and tabletops clean looking.

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  123. Re:Three step process... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would also like to point out that numerous companies are turning down contracts for the iPhone, this should be a good sign to those of you out there who think it is a worthy device. It runs slower then a lot of phones and is poorly designed to compete with what is already available.

  124. Labels by sherriw · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have a bunch of sheets of blank white label (sticker) stock. Each time I get a new charger thingy or other non-standard wire, I just cut out a little piece of sticker, stick it on the charger and write what device it's for. That's also good for going through your drawer of chargers and seeing- oh! I haven't had that XYZ for years! So this charger can get tossed.

  125. Get a CORDination Station by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are not made anymore, but I just got a CORDination Station Pro from Linen's N Things. It was made by Leap Technologies, and it is AWESOME! It has two built-in power strips, so it had hold up to 10 chargers. I went out and got another one for use down the road. It is WAY better than those "charging valets" everyone is selling which can't hold more than a few charging adapters.

  126. Forgot multiple chargers by PJ1216 · · Score: 1

    Why the hell do they always have to be lit up all the time? My bedroom looks like its Christmas every time I turn the lights off. I've made a habit of facing my wall simply because if I face the inside of my room, I'm blinded by friggin' LED lights all over. I tell you, there should *not* be an off-light! Who invented such a thing? Maybe its a big conspiracy from the LED makers. They weren't satisfied with ON lights so they made OFF lights too. Then, there's a light saying something is fully charged and another light saying its charging. Then there's a light on chargers that just say "yes, we're plugged in, but you already know this because the charging light is turned on as well" I'd think having a light for "charging" and another for "charged" would be enough.

    Someone needs to release an ethics guideline for goddamn LED use.

    1. Re:Forgot multiple chargers by Mctittles · · Score: 1

      Yea, I never understood the off light either. Both my DVD player and Stereo have that and sometimes it still confuses me whether I turned it off or not because there is still a light on.

  127. What, no iGo? by FunkeyMonk · · Score: 1

    It seems odd to me that nobody's mentioned the great products from iGo. When you get a new phone, you buy a new tip for the charger. And you can add a splitter to charge multiple devices simultaneously. I keep one iGo in the car, and another in the home, for charging my cell, my wife's cell, my palm pilot, and our iPods.

  128. Wall warts by Bopper · · Score: 1

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_wart

    Its going to take a standards body and government to resolve this issue. There is already legislation to require standby mode for unused wall adapters. It certainly not in the interest of manufacturers to standardize on connectors and voltages.

    Using USB to power devices reminds me of people who used to use free power from their phone line (maybe they still do?).

  129. DC in the House/Office by AndyWit · · Score: 1

    How about wiring DC along side AC in the home/office That way energy sucking bricks won't be needed. Doesn't really solve the interconnect problem on the device side, but I'm sure there could be some standard. Hey even the iPhone 3G doesn't have a USB connector.

  130. USB is the answer by d3ac0n · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Simple.

    Chuck all the stupid crap toys you have that use proprietary connectors.

    I have made a decision: In the small electronics area, I will ONLY buy devices that use the mini-USB style connectors. I flatly refuse to buy anything that cannot be charged or connected via USB to my PC, or a USB base station.

    Yes, this does mean that I will miss out on some "hot" tech items. For example, I do not have an iPhone. Why? Not because I think it's a bad device or because I cannot afford it. I think iPhones are very nice and I can certainly afford to buy one. I don't have an iPhone because it uses a 30 pin proprietary dock connector. The means that I would have to buy all sorts of expensive connecting devices from Apple that I have no intention of spending money on like a moron.

    The same goes with most other phones. I selected my Motorazr cell phone because I can charge it with a USB connector. I selected my Creative Zen MP3 player because I can charge it with a USB connector (the same one I charge my phone with) Should the need for any other small devices come along, I will select the one I can recharge with a USB connector. If no devices have that option, I will forgo the device altogether. NO device is so important that I should have to clutter my life with useless connectors and chargers, when a simple mini usb 2.0 connector will do everything these idiotic proprietary connectors will do AND MORE.

    It's time we as consumers put our feet down. Manufacturers need to stop trying to follow the "give away the razor handle and sell the blades at a 500% markup" model and start selling their devices, unlocked, with a standard unified connector at a reasonable price.

    It starts with each one of us deciding to change this one thing in our lives by only buying devices with USB connectors. I have made the change, who will join me?

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    1. Re:USB is the answer by argux · · Score: 2, Informative

      I bought a Motorola phone, the cheapest I could find, and while the power connector is a mini-USB, and it has the little USB symbol, it only charges when it's connected with the Motorola-branded charger it came with. I once left it at my girlfriend's house (5-7 hours away), and tried charging it with my mp3 player's USB cable. It did nothing but turn the backlight on from time to time and say "Please wait...", then turn back off. I was left without phone for about a month, until my gf visited me and brought the original charger.

      I suppose the carrier did some disabling on the port to keep people from actually using their cheap phones. That way they would buy expensive ones the next time. Well it worked. I'm never using that carrier again.

    2. Re:USB is the answer by Enki+X · · Score: 1

      As far as your revolution goes...you're on your own. As for your USB ravings in general, I tend to agree...though I won't not buy a product for it's non-USB faults. Besides, there are plenty of fine devices which charge on mini USB, like my BlackBerry (which, by the way performs rather nicely as a portable media player...)

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    3. Re:USB is the answer by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      I have a Motorola Razr2 V9 and I have no problem charging it via USB. The connector is a form of micro-USB, but the phone came with a compact micro-to-mini USB adaptor, so I only have to carry around one cable that works for for camera, bluetooth headset and phone. Pity about the iPod, but at least it's USB.

      I share the parent's aversion to proprietary chargers. It is just not possible to keep them from making a mess, no matter how carefully you label them.

    4. Re:USB is the answer by norminator · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sometimes I think you have to have the right driver for the phone installed... which I don't think Motorola likes to give out without having you buy their Phone Tools software.

    5. Re:USB is the answer by d3ac0n · · Score: 1

      The V3's did that. the V9's (which I have) can charge from the USB port no problem.

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    6. Re:USB is the answer by MrNaz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I will and I have. The benefit is that I now have NO wall warts or AC chargers, and I can travel with all my devices using either a USB to USB-MiniA or USB to USB-MiniB connector.

      That's a phone, camera, MP3 player, GPS tracking token and wireless mouse all sharing two very small and light cables, whereas previously I'd need a whole nuther bag for the charging silliness.

      We, as consumers, need to get more people behind this.

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    7. Re:USB is the answer by xmas2003 · · Score: 1

      I had the same problem - turns out that you need to download a driver (at least for Windoze XP) so that the phone is recognized ... THEN it will charge.

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    8. Re:USB is the answer by d3ac0n · · Score: 1

      I pledge my allegience.. to the USB standard... of d3ac0n (715594)...

      Thanks.

      And yes, I know my name is stupid. I wish I could change it, at least once. I hate my l33t name. :(

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    9. Re:USB is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are right... I also keep looking for devices with mini-USB. However, there are some other classes of devices - such as the Blackberry - which although they use a mini-USB connector, need a special driver on the PC or a special charger (only BB or a Moto charger will work). no generic USB charger will work.
          This is done to make sure that you do not overcharge your battery or use a generic that pumps in more current.
          seems unique in using a standard charger but requiring something else.

    10. Re:USB is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The means that I would have to buy all sorts of expensive connecting devices from Apple that I have no intention of spending money on like a moron.

      In regards to the iPhone....it does have a proprietary connector but guess what. It also comes with a usb cable that plugs into said connector so it can be used to charge and communicate with a PC...something I have used exclusively to date with my iPhone. It comes standard in the box, along with the charging cradle. Do a little research before making unfounded claims, mmkay?

    11. Re:USB is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am absolutely with you. My reply to the original poster was going to be something along the lines of "you did it to yourself". Simply don't buy devices that don't use a standard USB charger, and while I'm at it he could simplify his life a little and cut out a few of those THREE cell phones...

    12. Re:USB is the answer by ari_j · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have a breathalyzer that turns out to have a mini-USB connector. It's not for charging, as far as I can tell, but I haven't tried since I use alkaline batteries in it. I also haven't tried hooking it up to a computer, for fear of what it may say.

      What I really want is to hook it up to my phone in such a way that it will lock me out of my address book if I am over 0.15%.

    13. Re:USB is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AMEN! I've done the same thing!

    14. Re:USB is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad Motorola phones won't actually charge on a USB connection. You need to add a resistor, or it'll light up, refuse to charge and shut down.

      More info

    15. Re:USB is the answer by timbck2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And yes, I know my name is stupid. I wish I could change it, at least once. I hate my l33t name. :(

      This is the Slashdot equivalent of tattoo regret. Maybe there's money in it ...

      1. Slashdot l33t name regret
      2. ???
      3. PROFIT!

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    16. Re:USB is the answer by sootman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      USB is good but it's not perfect.

      I just bought a Seagate 250 GB external USB HDD. It came with a Y-shaped USB connector which you're supposed to plug into TWO USB ports and the drive. I figured that was for low-power (USB 1.0?) computers* so I took a chance and just used a regular mini-USB cable I had from a camera and it's been working fine with just one USB (2.0) port. Except on my MacBook Pro--I can plug it into the USB port on the right and it works but if I use the port on the left the drive just makes a funny noise and won't mount.

      * or crazy things like the way you can plug a device into a Mac and it's fine but if you plug it into the USB port on the keyboard you get a "not enough power" warning. WTF?!?

      In other news, I was pleasantly surprised with my GPS--a Garmin Nuvi 200. It doesn't come with an AC adapter (only a car charger) but the charging jack is actually a mini-USB port. I can use a USB->mini-USB cable to charge it from my computer. But wait! There's more! I went to Garmin's site to see if they sold an AC adapter. They do--it's a thing that plugs into your wall and then gives you a cigarette-lighter thingie that you then plug your car charger into. How stupid is that?!? A) That's bulky, kludgy, clumpy, ugly, and B) it means I can't just LEAVE MY CAR CHARGER IN MY CAR!!! Luckily I made another happy discovery--I can use the tiny AC->USB adapter that came with (you guessed it) my iPhone along with the mini-USB cable and charge it that way. SUCCESS!

      Of course, FireWire was designed from the beginning to have enough power to drive USEFUL devices, and it was much, much, much faster than USB for years, and I've never had any trouble with my FireWire devices. Oh well.

      A couple more random bits: I've got a 60 GB iPod and an iPhone. Both use the same connector so one stays at home (plugged into the AC brick) and the other travels with me in my ever-present backpack. (If I only had one job I'd just leave it at work.) For my cameras, I use a card reader--I've always thought it was the dumbest thing in the world to have a camera with a removable card and get pictures from it by turning on the camera (draining the batteries) and connecting it directly to a computer. (Plus, my first digital camera had a SERIAL port and took FOREVER to transfer pictures.) Other than the aforementioned hard drive (which travels with its USB cable wrapped around it) those are the only devices I have. So an overabundance of chargers is not a problem for me.

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    17. Re:USB is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All I hear are crickets.

    18. Re:USB is the answer by distr0 · · Score: 0

      Even if devices use the mini USB connector, theres nothing saying it conforms to any specific standard.

      For example, ever try to charge a blackberry from a linux machine?

    19. Re:USB is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will and I have. The benefit is that I now have NO wall warts or AC chargers, and I can travel with all my devices using either a USB to USB-MiniA or USB to USB-MiniB connector.

      That's a phone, camera, MP3 player, GPS tracking token and wireless mouse all sharing two very small and light cables, whereas previously I'd need a whole nuther bag for the charging silliness.

      We, as consumers, need to get more people behind this.

      let me see you plug your laptop into a usb or your scanner or your for that matter your usb dock

    20. Re:USB is the answer by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 4, Funny

      I shaved my beard off four years ago.

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    21. Re:USB is the answer by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      No, Blackberries just require the full 500mA that a USB port will provide. Most USB ports won't switch to this automatically without a driver. I haven't had a problem with any wall wart I've ever used for it, but I'll trust you've found one that supplies less than 500mA. To charge a Blackberry on Linux, there's a toolset called "barry" which contains bcharge, which detects the port that the Blackberry is connected to and switches it to 500mA, and poof, it starts charging.

      The MiniUSB devices that really have problems are the Motorola ones. I have yet to find one that doesn't have some kind of proprietary crap. My SLVR, and my wife's Q (she just got rid of it in favor of a T-Mobile Dash) both refuse to charge on non-Motorola wall-warts.

    22. Re:USB is the answer by kitgerrits · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not the carrier that does that, it's Motorola themselves (I also have a RAZR V3).
      I have come accross several devices that will only charge (or charge at a decent rate) when connected to their own dedicated charger or when connected to a real, live computer. sometimes even requiring a special driver (I'm looking at you, blackberry!)
      Maybe it will charge if you plug it into a powered USB hub?

      I have noticed, though, that I can use the same 5V, 2A plug for my PSP, my Creative Zen and my iPaq (with a tiny conversion plug).
      USB harddisks also seem to standardize on a similar plug at 12V, 2A (I have 6 different ones, 4 are compatible).

      The only thorn in my eye is my new Nokia, which uses a new, tiny charger plug.
      They make matters worse by charging a fortune for a conversion plug.

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    23. Re:USB is the answer by PitaBred · · Score: 2, Informative

      USB 2 theoretically supplies up to 500mA at 5V at the controller. It gets less as you start adding hubs (which is why many hubs are powered). The USB ports that don't work with the drive probably don't supply enough current to run the drive. The Y adapter isn't to speed up USB 1.0 connections, but just to give the drive enough power to spin up. If you look closely, one of the cables in the Y is thicker than the other. The thicker one is the data cable, the thinner one is supplementary power.

    24. Re:USB is the answer by elgatozorbas · · Score: 1

      In short: a USB connector should be enough for everyone.

    25. Re:USB is the answer by citylivin · · Score: 1

      Not that I disagree with you, I defiantly perfer all my devices to be mini usb (my sansa mp3 player and motorola phone, like all motorola phones are), but this statemnet:

      "he means that I would have to buy all sorts of expensive connecting devices from Apple that I have no intention of spending money on like a moron."

      Is not correct. The apple interface is so common now that i regularly find car chargers, wall chargers and what have you at dollar stores for a dollar or two. If a connector is available at most dollar stores, I dont tend to mind its "proprietary" nature.

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    26. Re:USB is the answer by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      They probably did what Kodak does. Look at the little proprietary cable, and you'll probably see a little resistor drawn across the data terminals.

      It's a stupid thing for them to do, but it's not terribly difficult to rig up a cable just for charging devices too retarded to just work.

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    27. Re:USB is the answer by citylivin · · Score: 1

      You need a copy of motorola phone tools on your pc to charge via USB.

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    28. Re:USB is the answer by hedwards · · Score: 1

      As other people have said, you'd need a driver to charge it via USB.

      I know it's odd engineering, but my understanding is that it has to do with the wired headsets you can get for those phones. The ones which plug directly into the usb port.

      Honestly, I don't understand why they would include that capability in phones which can use bluetooth, but there you go.

      My second charger came with my Motorola bluetooth, I think $20, and I got both a decent headset as well as a second charger.

    29. Re:USB is the answer by Edward+Teach · · Score: 1

      My Motorola IC902 Deluxe charges fine off of USB. It's charging right now on my laptop as I write this. No drivers, shows up as a mass storage device. I'm using Kubuntu 8.04 so if your using Windows, YMMV.

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    30. Re:USB is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wasn't there already a standard for wired headsets, using the same round connector as for headphones? It's just bizarre that they would go with a design that doesn't allow you to charge the phone and talk on the headset at the same time (which I often do while driving)

    31. Re:USB is the answer by residieu · · Score: 1

      It's still a pain that my phone, my ipod, my camera and every other device has its own connector type and requires its own cable. (And the one for the phone has been different on every single phone I've owned). I'm not so much anti-proprietary as pro-standard.

    32. Re:USB is the answer by Zadaz · · Score: 1

      Or, to answer the guys question rather than go on for paragraphs about how great a humanitarian you are:

      Many of those devices listed have USB charge cables. I bought my Nintndo DS cable for about $5.00. A little Googling shows that the following have USB cable chargers:
      Nokia N810, LG Chocolate, And the Sony Ericsson Z310a.

      For the mouse, I'd recommend looking at at some of Logitech's non-Bluetooth wireless mice. The one I use goes at leas 6 months of constant use between charges, so I don't need a cable lying around. There is a dongle, but it's teeny (sticks out about 3mm from the slot if you're worried about appearances).

      For the Cannon and the Thinkpad adapters, a little pegboard under your desk and you're set.

    33. Re:USB is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen! The only exception I have to that rule is my BlueAnt z9 - and I'm bitter about it.

    34. Re:USB is the answer by ncc74656 · · Score: 2, Informative

      USB 2 theoretically supplies up to 500mA at 5V at the controller.

      In addition, devices are only supposed to pull that much power after negotiating with the controller for it. Otherwise, the most you're supposed to pull from USB is only 100 mA. When plugged in, the GP's hard drive negotiates with the hub in the keyboard for the extra power it needs. When the keyboard says it can't supply it, the hard drive refuses to fire up and an error message pops up. Odds are pretty good that the keyboard will only supply 100 mA (less the small amount of current it needs for itself) and won't support bus-powered devices that need more. That's OK for mice and flashsticks, but not so good for bus-powered hard drives, scanners, etc.

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    35. Re:USB is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you have to spend money on all sorts of expensive connecting devices from Apple if it comes with a connector? Unless you lose it, then you'd be a moron like you suggested.

    36. Re:USB is the answer by dmstevens · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, I found the USB drivers without having to pay for Phone Tools. The Motorola Developer site has them here:
      http://developer.motorola.com/docstools/USB_Drivers/

      Works fine for charging my KRZR K1m from a generic USB cable.

    37. Re:USB is the answer by RobertM1968 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Simple.

      Chuck all the stupid crap toys you have that use proprietary connectors.

      I have made a decision: In the small electronics area, I will ONLY buy devices that use the mini-USB style connectors.

      Here's something interesting. I bought an MP3 player from SansDisk. I specifically bought it because (besides some pretty much Windows only access tool) the player can simply be accessed as an MSD - and either way it connects via USB through a supplied cable (mini-USB to USB).

      The odd thing is, though I thought the cable nothing more than a regular cable with a toriod on it, the thing only seems to work with that cable.... maybe the other cables were defective, or it was more than just a toriod inside the little shell around part of the cable.

      Anyway, as it isn't always possible to get something that charges via USB, there are alternatives. One, which isnt the best, is at least better than the original scenario...

      - Get a "smart charger" with a tip for each device (I then attach the tips to the device using a short piece of rope or thick hair tie cut in half (so it's a rope than a circle), and use some cloth tape (hockey/sports tape) to tape one end to the tip, the other to the charger's cable near it's tip receptacle. That allows one charger for everything, and all tips on hand and out of the way.

      - Look for USB to (XXXXXXX) adapters for the chargers for your device. Many many devices can be charged via USB with a usually inexpensive adapter. This method at least allows charging more than one device at a time (similar to d3ac0n's suggestion to using all USB ones)... but means, at the very least, again, a bunch of tips.

      - Get a power strip and/or outlet extender, and a cable management system and then simply label the ends of each cord to make them easy to determine at a glance which is which. By "cable management system" I mean get something similar to those retractable phone cords they sell in the "dollar store" - failing being able to find one of those, get one of those retractable phone cords from the dollar store, open it up, remove the phone line, and insert the charger's cable. This will at the very least minimize the clutter. In my office, we mount the power strip, place a few hooks right above it, and hang the things right from there so, even retracted, they are organized (and then we label each with a label machine... a piece of tape and a permanent marker does the job just as well - or color coding each).

      .

      Yeah, none of these are as elegant as finding devices that call can be charged via USB, but, as I said above, oft times, it's not possible to get what one wants by choosing that scenario... so, these suggestions are for those who cant... and for those who can, d3ac0n's suggestion is a great one.

      As for me, I hate having a bunch of cables (at least till I organize them), but they do come in handy as I dont always have something with USB to charge them from. My preference are the chargers that will use either DC or AC (without the need for a separate charger),so I can charge them at home or on the road.

    38. Re:USB is the answer by Myopic · · Score: 1

      a whole nuther bag

      tmesis!

    39. Re:USB is the answer by darkonc · · Score: 1

      Chuck all the stupid crap toys you have that use proprietary connectors.

      I have made a decision: In the small electronics area, I will ONLY buy devices that use the mini-USB style connectors.

      I think it was South Korea that mandated that ALL cell phones should charbe via the mini-USB style connectors. Hopefully, this will soon extend to other similar devices (If only by consumer preference).

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    40. Re:USB is the answer by CynicalTyler · · Score: 1

      I only buy devices that have a built in RS-232 interface that charge using an internal AC-DC inverter. I'm not going to throw away my old computers and power cables just to keep up with fad technologies like USB!

    41. Re:USB is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats a GREAT idea!
      So here is what you need to do:
      1) Get all the countries throughout the world to conform to one type of power grid design giving us uniform amperage so no power conditioning has to be employed depending on where you market the product.
      2) Get IEEE to impose a uniform standard.
      3) Convince all the tech companies on the planet that Intel's (with IBM, etc etc) form factor of the mini USB is the way to go, and to give up their proprietary form factors.

      Good Luck with all of that let me know how it goes.

    42. Re:USB is the answer by grotgrot · · Score: 1

      I will ONLY buy devices that use the mini-USB style connectors

      So how do you feel about micro-USB (which appears to have two different styles of connector). Cell phones are starting to use it now (eg new Blackberrys). Micro is an even smaller connector and is designed for more insertion cycles. If someone made a simple dongle that converted mini to micro I'd be happy.

      I do agree with your overall sentiment. I don't have a Nokia cellphone because they use a proprietary power connector. Despite Nokia devices also having USB they won't charge over it. (Of course that is just about impossible to figure out from the manual). I also don't have a Sandisk Sansa Fuze because they use a proprietary connector even though the next model down (Clip) uses standard mini-USB.

    43. Re:USB is the answer by againjj · · Score: 2, Informative

      * or crazy things like the way you can plug a device into a Mac and it's fine but if you plug it into the USB port on the keyboard you get a "not enough power" warning. WTF?!?

      The keyboard on a Mac is a hub. Hubs generally do not provide as much power on the line as an on-board port does (the hub itself uses power, and must share power with everything plugged into it), unless the hub is powered. This is why a number of peripherals specifically state that they must be plugged into an on-board USB port.

    44. Re:USB is the answer by toddestan · · Score: 1

      In this particular case, you needed a driver, but often times when you see behavior like this, it's because the USB port can't put out enough power to charge the device. Your best bet is usually a port on the back of the computer, or a powered USB hub.

    45. Re:USB is the answer by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Do a little research before making unfounded claims, mmkay?

      Maybe you should read the post you're replying to before making snarky comments, mmkay?

    46. Re:USB is the answer by juventasone · · Score: 1

      You're not serious are you? He did say a Lenovo Thinkpad.

      USB's power specification is 5V and a maximum of 500mA. That works out to 2.5W, when notebooks require 90W, or more. Notebooks aren't the only battery-powered high-wattage devices either.

      On the upside, there are some new standards coming that promise as much as 9W over standard USB. There's another that called "Powered USB" but is requires different connectors.

    47. Re:USB is the answer by cgenman · · Score: 1

      The iPhone comes with a dock connector which plugs into a USB port. This in turn plugs into a 5v USB wall wart, if you don't have a computer's USB port handy. And this cable can be had on amazon.com for 4 dollars. In other words, you're missing out on a phone that a lot of people like because of the hassle of carrying around a cable that is USB at one end rather than both ends.

      I'd also point out that in this case USB does not do "everything these idiotic proprietary connectors will do AND MORE." Here's the pinout. The iPod / iPhone doc connector standard has dedicated lines for stereo audio both in and out, composite and S-video out, 3.3/5v, 5v, and 12v power, device type, and Firewire, USB, and serial connector data. Basically, the dock allows for both Firewire and USB operation, and direct a/v in (and out!) without additional expensive encoders and decoders. It's a perfectly reasoned engineering response to being in a mixed computing environment with an audio and video entertainment product.

      I too am sick of devices which don't charge over USB. But decrying the iPhone over a 4 dollar USB adaptor cable seems like you're howling at the moon for being so close. There are a million reasons to decry the iPhone over anticompetitive practices... the cable seems like the least objectionable.

    48. Re:USB is the answer by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 1

      Those Logitech docking stations annoy me to no end just because they shouldn't exist --

      I'll buy a wireless mouse as soon as logitech makes one that charges via usb and can be used as a wired mouse while charging.

      That is to say, I want a standard low power draw wireless mouse when using it normally, but then I want to plug a cable into it and have it jump to 1000hz/2000dpi/all the other great specs Logitech is capable but tones down to save battery life.

      Having your mouse die out and you have nothing until its done sitting in a cradle just seems like bad design.

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    49. Re:USB is the answer by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      On a Mac, the driver forthe device is required to send power over USB, not so on a Windows PC. The port starts delivering power regardless of driver state.

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    50. Re:USB is the answer by celery+stalk · · Score: 1

      Here you go:

      http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-MicroUSB-Adapter-RAZR2-SKN6252/dp/B001EJFZ5G/

      I needed the same thing to charge my Plantronics BT headset, while wanting to not have to carry another whole cable with me. I keep it in the case I carry my headset in*, so I don't even notice I have it until I need it.

      *It's the Plantronics 995 Stereo BT, which I use 98% for music listening, which is why I keep it in a case.

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    51. Re:USB is the answer by ottothecow · · Score: 1

      The V3 needs some sort of driver installed for it to charge but it doesnt seem to matter what (the driver windows chooses charges fine..as does the correct drivers that you can download). The real issue with it was that if you drain your phone to the dead state, you cannot USB charge it. For some reason the phone needed to be on to get power from USB but it worked jsut fine on the charger when off.

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  131. As a ThinkPad owner... by BuenosAiresDragon · · Score: 1

    ... you could get a slim battery charger from Lenovo for your ThinkPad and buy different tips for each of your gadgets. There are tips for different phones and even the iPod

  132. Switched mode power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Many devices with standard plug sizes can share power supply. Switched mode power supplys produce the same voltage even if the load (amperage) varies.

    There are even plug converters availiable, they often come with a variable voltage switched mode powersupply. Just make sure your device does not overload the amperage rating of the powersupply and it'll work like a charm.

    For example the PSP comes with a 5V 1000ma switched mode powersupply and a fairly standard plug. My mediaextender that I found in the trash uses the same voltage and plug and draws less amperage so I use the PSP powersupply to power it when I'm not charging it.

    A switched mode powersupply can be identified by specific symbols on it, or by it's weight. A linear powersupply is generaly much heavier bulkier and produces more heat and thus generally has ventilation holes.

    / Jonas Rosenqvist from Sweden (sorry if my english sucks btw)

  133. it's simple by 33tango · · Score: 1

    Get a charging valet and replace the stock powerstrip with a power squid. And cut back, 7 devices is silly.

  134. Simple solution by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

    I only plug in the one I need to use just now.

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  135. Re:Three step process... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nokia N810 = 800 x 480 display
    iPhone = 320 x 480 display (FAIL)

    You could also admit the N810 does have the processing power to handle video properly, even after installing mplayer and after it switchs to a considerably lower resolution. I have long since stopped using mine because the performance was pathetic compared to my ipod-touch. Shame really.

  136. Put em in a box by dlperry · · Score: 1

    I confess - I saw it on DIY or HGTV. Get a nice lidded box that's large enough to hold the power strips and charger transformers. The one I saw was just a simple decorative cardboard box that you can get at the container store or wallyworld, but you could make your own custom one if you wanted - in a nice wood, or metal or some such. Cut holes in 1-3 sides as needed, just large enough for each chargers cord to fit through - with the gadget connecter ends outside the box of course. Cut holes in the 'back' side of the box - large enough for the powerstrip cords. You can pretty-up the holes if you wish - maybe with some of those whatchamacallits - you know - the little tin reinforcement things - usually square-ish. Put the box on a desk, preferably near an outlet: - put the powerstrips and charger transformers inside the box and plug in the transformers. - plug the powerstrip cords into the electric outlet (never another powerstrip of course) - put the gadgets on the desk and connect each one to their respective chargers. Voila - Gadgets are easily accessible, and the cord mess looks less messy.

  137. erm, missing your common sense tablets again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ok, lets figure this out.
    my phone charger is in the bedroom as i use my phone as my alarm clock.
    my Laptop charger is in the livingroom, next to the sofa, as thats where my laptop lives most the time. same for my girlfriends laptop...
    my other half's blackberry charger is plugged into the same strip as the broadband router in the hall next to the front door so she can grab it on her way out, and plug it in when she gets home
    my DS charger is in my toy room along with my games consoles and musical instruments
    my camera charger only comes out the draw when going on holiday.
    my 9yr old minidisc player has recently died, so thats in the draw.
    my girlfriends ipod usually lives and is plugged in next to the stereo in the livingroom.

    where do your devices live most? would it not make sense to plug them in where they are most used?
    consolidate your devices. i use my phone as a day-to-day camera if needed, an mp3 player, an email device, and a phone. do i need anything else? wallet, train ticket, work pass, and keys.

    annonymous post due to giving a basic inventory of everything nickable from my house.

  138. iGo universal charger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use the iGo universal charger for all my devices. Works great.

  139. Try Multipot... by mstamat · · Score: 1

    ...if you have the money!

    Multipot is an excellent and cool looking solution for organizing your chargers and cable. However it comes with a price tag of ~$200. So you have to be either very rich or very desperate* to buy it.

    Since it shouldn't include any fancy electronics, it would be nice to see some Chinese guy producing something similar on a reasonable price.

    *Desperate either with your cable problem or your love-life. Multipot looks like a great girl-attractor.

  140. A great (and expensive) solution already exists by Sprotch · · Score: 1

    A beautiful solution exists in the form of Bluelounge's Sanctuary.

    It's a very elegant desk accessory that only needs one power supplies and will charge dozens of gadgets.

    I love mine.

    http://www.bluelounge.com/thesanctuary.php

  141. Re:USB is the answer - Uh, about that... by RoverDaddy · · Score: 2, Informative

    The iPhone comes with a cable to connect its 30 pin proprietary dock with USB. It charges over USB. True, it charges faster by plugging its USB connector into the charger that's also supplied with the phone. Did I mention that that charger is tiny at roughly one cubic inch (16.39 cc)? At least Apple tried to minimize the clutter. The charger can sit on a power strip without blocking access to either adjacent socket.

    Of course, if you want to be a purist, just throw the charger away and forget you ever had it.

    BTW, I don't own any 'expensive connecting devices' for the 30-pin dock connector and I'm not likely to buy any either.

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  142. I'm having the same kind of problem by chord.wav · · Score: 3, Funny

    I know what you mean, I have a Ferarri F350, a hybrid Toyota, a Hummer and a Smart. Oh I forgot the Tesla prototype. The thing is, I want all of them to perform at their 100% but I want to use the same fuel. What do you slashdotters do to avoid this kind of problem?

    Answer: Stop whining about trivial problems you already know the answer for.

    1. Re:I'm having the same kind of problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right on brother!

  143. MiniUSB rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every gadget that I have has a MiniUSB port for charging. So I only have one wire comming out of my pc to charge everything. Choose wisely your gadget and it won't be a problem...

  144. Uh.. its obvious by eleveneleven · · Score: 1

    Get rid of two of your three phones? Do you really need that many?

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  145. Re:Three step process... by neokushan · · Score: 1

    Sure, if you'd rather not talk to people or don't mind a bit of crap call quality.

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  146. Re:USB is the answer - Uh, about that... by UnrealisticWhample · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The iPhone comes with a cable to connect its 30 pin proprietary dock with USB. It charges over USB.

    While there may have been some fuzzy statements in there, if you reread the beginning of the post you were replying to you'll notice that he said that he'll "ONLY buy devices that use the mini-USB style connectors," and that he selected his ZEN mp3 player because of the fact that it will charge with the same style cable as his phone.

    I don't believe that a cable that simply plugs into a USB jack but still takes a proprietary adapter to enable it to do so would conform to his quite narrow standards.

  147. Get rid of them all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been hearing for quite some time now that researches have discovered a way to charge devices wirelessly. I would suggest that you find out when and where that is being released and buy it, then trash all your chargers.

  148. Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Put them in a box and use the one you need, you fucking idiot.

  149. Simplify by mkenyon2 · · Score: 1

    Get an AC-to-USB adapter, and a usb hub. Then use USB cables to charge your smaller devices.

  150. Rubbish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about you throw some of that crap away? No one needs all that garbage. You might think you do, but, you don't.

  151. The answer for me is simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I plug all of my chargers into different outlets randomly throughout my apartment. That way I don't have a mess of chargers in one spot, instead I have charging capabilities no matter where I am in my apartment (as long as I have the right device in hand).

    It makes life interesting.

  152. Re:Three step process... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    +5 insight - only on ./ .

    Why the fuck iphone? This is true for some of the other gadgets out too. Get the fuck off, fanbois.

  153. Re:Three step process... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At first, you come across as one of those annoying iPhone loving gheyboi twerps. But you're actually right.

    And not a twerp.

  154. DIY Tip for Organizing Chargers by mrfett · · Score: 1

    I got this from the DIY Network: get a pretty rectangular cardboard box (like from Ikea or The Container Store) and cut small holes, evenly spaced, on the two longer sides, and one hole on one of the shorter sides. Screw small metal decorative plates (something to make the openings look neat, like light-switch covers but for a hole) over the holes, and stuff a power strip inside the box, with the cord coming out the one shorter side. Plug all the chargers into the strip, and bring their cords out the little holes you made. Put the cover on the box. Now you have a neat charging station that doesn't look like ass. I think this tip was brought to you by Quaker Oats chewy protein bars or something.

  155. Use a Silver Sharpie ... by Syncerus · · Score: 1

    Whenever you get another charger, write something descriptive on it with a silver sharpie, then toss it in a box with your other chargers. You'll always be able to tell what the darn thing is for.

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  156. Charging Valet by b0bby · · Score: 1

    What you need is a charging valet like this one from Costco
    Works great. I have a usb hub & several wall warts tucked into a similar one.

  157. How 'bout... by Halmos · · Score: 1

    ...stop buying gadgets.

  158. How about buy less crap by LargeWu · · Score: 1

    WTF do you need 3 phones for anyway? Maybe, MAYBE, you need 2, if one is provided by your employer and they have strict limits about personal use. But you certainly do not need three, no matter what excuses you give yourself.

  159. GTFO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't make calls with iphone. So, it wont do the job of at least the third (a phone) of the four.

    You think only you can troll, eh?

    But I know, you would be an 'insightful' troll, while I would be just a 'troll' troll.

  160. Try and IGo by snack-snack · · Score: 1

    I have a similar problem with hauling around several different laptops, a couple of cell phones, a GPS, camera, MP3 player, and external HDD. My solution is an IGo universal power brick. The brick and all the tips store in a convenient case and I can charge 1 large device and 2 small ones at once.

  161. Re:USB is the answer - Uh, about that... by d3ac0n · · Score: 1

    I don't believe that a cable that simply plugs into a USB jack but still takes a proprietary adapter to enable it to do so would conform to his quite narrow standards.

    Correct. It doesn't count of you have to use an (purchased separately for a stupid amount of money) adapter. The Mini USB port must be IN the device itself.

    Yes it's a narrow definition, but it has served me well. No Mini USB in the device, no money out of my pocket. Period.

    There is NO EXCUSE for phone, PDA, and MP3 makers to NOT use the USB standard. It works, it works really well, and everyone can use it.

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  162. Chance of Sex? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hmm.
    for year_of_marriage = 0, number_of_children = 0,
    there is a negative chance_of_sex for any WAF > 0

    ...how does THAT work out for newlyweds?

    1. Re:Chance of Sex? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hmm.
      for year_of_marriage = 0, number_of_children = 0,
      there is a negative chance_of_sex for any WAF > 0

      ...how does THAT work out for newlyweds?

      He forgot the factor that comes into play via the conversion process from girlfriend to wife. The actual formula should be:

      chance_of_sex = 1 / (100 + year_of_marriage + 5*number of children - WAF/1000)

      The 100 factor appears automatically during the conversion process from girlfriend to wife.

  163. ummmm, the iPhone does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ummm, nice rant, but the iPhone *does* charge via USB. Apple throws in a nice 30-pin to USB connector with the iPhone.

    But don't let that stop your iconoclasm!

  164. Organizer Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are some organizers out there designed specifically for this problem. The link is to one I saw a couple of weeks ago on HSN. desktop-valet-charger-station

  165. Re:shouldn't ever be posted by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 2, Insightful

    but we should make the best of this question, because it is a good one.

    Only recently have manufacturers jumped on a bandwagon. Many cell manufacturers are providing mini-usb connectors for charging and sync. With the recent addition of the new USB (3?) offering higher output voltages, we may see more manufacturers moving to a common charging system.

    There are, of course, several manufacturers that require proprietary connectors or needle barrel plugs who should be encouraged to change to a standardized connector.

    With the possibility of a common connector on the horizon, we may see the exact opposite of this post in the future. "I can't plug all of my devices in because I don't have enough USB ports" or "I can't find additional USB cables because they're so popular that the stores are sold out"

    OK, so the latter will probably never happen, but I frequently run out of USB ports and have to make a decision about what gets unplugged.

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  166. Research and Development by penguinstorm · · Score: 1

    Invent a generic induction charging plate. Problem solved.

    In the meantime, cable turtles.
    http://www.cableturtles.co.uk/

    I can't find them anymore in Canada. They were expensive, but the nicest solution I've found.

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  167. It matters to me by phorm · · Score: 1

    Nerds tend to have a number of devices on-hand which, at various intervals, require charging.

    I personally tend to have have a small bag with my PDA, digital camera, and Mp3 player kicking around. All these devices use 5V, but connectors include:

    a) Camera: standard barrel-connector

    b) PDA: standard barrel connector (my old HP Ipaq required either the addon pack or keyboard to connect to a proprietary connector, but the addons had the barrel connector)

    c) Mp3 player (Insignia): standard USB-mini

    d) Phone (Samsung): USB cable connected to proprietary jack

    I carry around a charger with an adjustable voltage setting and various connector bits for charging, but it lacks one for the USB-mini (or the weird USB-attached one on my phone).

    What I've actually been wanting to do is emasculate a USB extension cable and add a barrel connector on one end, that way I can plug the phone's cable or the USB-mini into my charger and thus not need extra chargers for them while on the road. Overall they're a major pain in the ass to deal with though.

  168. Absurd number of power connectors? Change them! by Simonetta · · Score: 1

    Does your collection of gadgets have an absurd number of power connectors? Change them yourself. Standardize on a common standard. This is what I have done both on the commercial doodahs that I've bought and everything that I design and build. My standard is the 2.1mm power connector found on modern guitar effects boxes with the center pin being ground. (I also put bridge rectifiers on my own designs so either pin-positive or pin-ground power adapters can be used in my designs.)

        Weirdo power connectors is a manifestation of a brain-dead Marketing-major-mentality that believes that putting a weird power jack on the product will force the customers to buy the overpriced proprietary power supply that has been matched to the product. Unfortunately brain-dead Marketing-majors have more influence than the intelligent tech design staff over the people who have the final say in the product design.

        We, the techno-elite, should take the initiative in forcing a productive solution to this problem. We have a long history in setting technical standards. This issue of power adapter connectors has been 'below the radar', but the time has come to impose reality on the brain-dead Marketing-majors.

        If you are gadget retailer, then you should offer a service to replace the weirdo connectors with a standard design and demand that the manufacturer continue to warranty the product. Since there is no chance of that actually happening, consider dropping the manufacturer until they standardize on a power connector and put the inexpensive components into the power-supply front-end that will handle the wide range of power adapters in the marketplace.

        This nonsense really needs to stop.

  169. A little know engineering fact: by drpt · · Score: 4, Informative

    Use microwaves,, just place face up in a microwave safe dish for 48 seconds 4.5v, 81 seconds 12v (microwave ovens vary you may need to tweak the times) after it cools off try it, if it isn't charged simply repeat the process.

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  170. Actually this just gave me an idea by phorm · · Score: 1

    The problem with a "universal" style charger is that it might screw up and overvolt your device (or you might set the dial wrong when switching between devices), but what about something that was semi-smart and would auto-adjust depending on the plug?

    Let's say you get a little charging pod, maybe with a simple interface (LCD, buttons for +/- voltage or amps within available range). Now, it can come with several end-connectors, all which have different pins to plug into the master device. Plug one in and set the volts/amps.

    Next time it will automatically start charging at the voltage assigned to that pinout combo (two pins are always for actual power, but the rest are identifiers).

    Next, you can chop up your old connectors and then wire them onto the positive-negative leads from each. If it were to be a non-geek project then perhaps it would have some sort of easy-to-use clip to hook things onto the adaptors.

    Finally, charging. Plug end into device, plug other end into charger. The correct power settings are detected, and charging begins.

  171. two words by audubon · · Score: 1

    dymo, shoebox.

  172. First and foremost, label them before you forget. by Pinback · · Score: 1

    For whatever reason, very few manufacturers label chargers/power supplies in a way that makes it easy to tell which one goes with which device. (Especially after the charger/PS has spent some time in the plastic tub I store them in when not is use.)

    The first thing I do when I unpack something new is grab a silver colored marker and jot the device description on the wall wart. That way I can go through the bin and find a supply labeled "Uniden WiFi Router" without needing to check the AC/DC/Voltage/Current/connector types.

  173. not so much organization, but. . . by rubah · · Score: 1

    I was super proud of my surge protector arrangement last year in my dorm room.

    Instead of having to buy a lot of extension cords to reach a surge protector in the floor, I wrapped the cord around a bar of my loft bed, then triangulated a support by putting my weighty printer cord through a bar at the top and letting that cord bear most of the weight so that the surge protector just kinda floated in space within easy reach of even my alarm clock (top shelf).

    as for organization, it's easy. Anything that can be plugged in there gets plugged in. If I have to charge something that's not plugged in, I have to unplug my cell phone charger and plug it in :X
    (i just wish i could get to that last un-used plug. why oh why did I not get one of those squid units instead of the bar ;.; )

  174. universial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    buy an rc battery charger that lets you select what type of pack to charge and use that to charge everything...

    mine has adjustable charge rates from 20mA to 4000mA

    and settings for lithium, nickle cadnium, and nickle metal hydrade batteries....

  175. build your own charger organizer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this worked well for me and was cheap to make:
    http://lifehacker.com/software/clutter/build-a-cord+and+charger-organizer-229408.php

  176. Can you say 4' Plug Strips? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're about $30 at Frys. They can be mounted to be somewhat unobtrusive (underneath desk, etc.) instead of putting them on the floor.

  177. Re:USB is the answer - Uh, about that... by amilo100 · · Score: 5, Funny

    You are going to wait quite a while for your plug-in hybrid.

  178. Build a charging station by merreborn · · Score: 1

    Throw 'em all in a bucket with a hole in the top, and a power strip inside. Here's an instructable:

    http://www.instructables.com/id/Vintage-Minnow-Bucket-Charging-Station/

  179. Wise up and you won't have a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sell 2 of your 3 phones (or smash them with a mallet for even more satisfaction). Don't be such a retarded gadget addict and you won't have a problem. You surely do not need access to more than 2 of those gadgets at any given moment in time. Don't keep them all in one place maybe. Sheesh, some people... would ask why they were on fire even if they themselves had lit the match.

  180. To answer the question by Sparagmei · · Score: 1

    I use a Zip-Linq USB multi-head charging cable. About $10 most places, and you can get heads for just about anything. Fits in a very small bag.

    Currently I charge with it:
    Nintendo DS
    PSP
    Nokia e61i
    Nokia LD-1W GPS
    Bluetooth headset (anything with USB Mini-B)
    iPod 5th gen (anything with standard USB)

    The power source is either a laptop, desktop, cigarette lighter USB adapter, or a USB wall-power converter.

    http://www.pcaccessories.org/ZipLinq-USB-Cell-Phone-Charger-I/M/B0000UI2KU.htm

    I had to order the e61i head, model "NK2", from the mfr, but that was easy enough. I also have a 9-volt booster tip; I believe the charger itself is 5v.

  181. Hide them by dockwej · · Score: 1

    When I remodeled my kitchen I had a double outlet put inside an upper cabinet and plugged an outlet strip mounted on the back of the cabinet into that. I keep all charging cables and devices in that cabinet organized on some small shelves. Everything is at eye level so it's easy to plug and unplug devices.

    I checked all the chargers with a Kill-A-Watt device to tell me which ones draw juice when they are not charging, and marked them. So I unplug those when they are not in use.

    I close the cabinet door and everything is hidden from view.

  182. Universal USB Charger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While traveling for business in New Zealand I picked up this Universal USB Charger at Dick Smith Electronics. It has connections for DS, PSP, IPOD, and mini USB. It also included a adapter for plugging into a cigarette lighter. And since I can charge everything from my laptop's USB port, I didn't have to worry about having power plug adapters/voltage transformers for all my gadgets.

    http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/48b58b4d086699a2273fc0a87f9c0751/Product/View/YG7556

  183. In the home by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I try to keep the office chargers to a minimum, with a file drawer assigned to them and wires out the back to the floor power bar.
    But at home, I also have chargers for 18v tools, 12v tools, screwdriver, nail gun, digital camera, carpet sweeper, portable vacuum, second laptop batteries, RC toys, and the like. I have made a shelf over the water heater just for the cluster, and use several switched power bars so I can leave them off when not in use.

  184. There's only one! by blueZ3 · · Score: 1

    I kid, I kid!

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  185. Wow! One of the three Zune owners on /.? by blueZ3 · · Score: 1

    Does having one make you feel closer to Ballmer and Gates, the other two Zune owners? And is that a good thing or a bad thing? :-)

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  186. Re:Three step process... by rkanodia · · Score: 1

    Well put. I'll be honest - it takes slightly longer to place a call using my iPhone than it did with my old freebie phone, particularly if the person is not in my 'favorites' list.

    On the other hand, I stopped carrying a standalone music player, and my Nintendo DS mostly sits at home collecting dust. For short trips, I sometimes leave my laptop at home, since the iPhone is 'good enough' at web browsing to check travel information, and email/VNC have me covered in case of some emergency at work. Now, sometimes this doesn't work out perfectly - last weekend, on a family vacation, my brother-in-law wanted to hear some music that I didn't have on my iPhone, since the storage space isn't enough to carry my entire music library. And if the production systems go up in a glorious inferno of electronic hellfire, I'd rather have a full-sized keyboard to type out emails and a full-sized screen to poke around on machines with VNC. But the point is, it covers so many different use cases 'well enough' that the convenience of having them all covered in a small package is often worth the trade-off in terms of the hassle of carrying a multitude of more purpose-specific devices, or a larger general-purpose device.

  187. In the country... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in the countryside of Oregon and find it quite easy to organize all my charging devices. See, I have this fifty gallon drum in my backyard that I use to organize these devices. First, I place all the devices that I want organize in the drum.Second, I pour any flammable substance into the drum. I have found that petroleum products work the best. Third, light and stand back. Done and done!

    But seriously, maybe you should consider some self reflection to see if all those things are actually necessary or make your life that much better.

  188. I feel your pain by Anti_Climax · · Score: 1

    The screen of my Samsung phone won't turn off when it's plugged in. I have to charge it face down or in another room.

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  189. This reminds me of a magazine artricle by blimplove · · Score: 1

    ...that was in Fortune about Sony's new (Scottish!) CEO. The interviewer asked him what Sony's most fundamental problem was and he replied (paraphrasing): "I own seven different Sony products and have seven different battery chargers and wall-wart power supplies. That's the problem." Haha! Well put. He was pointing to how Sony was divided up into too many separate (and strictly hardware-oriented) fiefdoms that didn't team up on anything. And good luck to him. Goddamn.

  190. Government should impose a standard. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is one place where the government should step in and impose a standard to help the consumer.

    12v with a standard connector would work just fine and make chargers that worked just fine from car voltages as well.

  191. Sources of organizers by btaratoot · · Score: 0

    I've not used any of these. I personally use the "spaghetti" solution. :) But here are a few suggestions. Bed Bath and Beyond has something that sits on your desk. Just search their site for "charging". I've also seen many DIY solutions on Lifehacker.com such as customized IKEA tables.

  192. Re:USB is the answer - Uh, about that... by ncc74656 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is NO EXCUSE for phone, PDA, and MP3 makers to NOT use the USB standard.

    How about other types of connectivity you might want on a device? In addition to USB, my iPod photo also provides S-video out (maybe composite as well; I know composite video is available through the headphone jack), audio in/out, control (for things like car stereo connectivity), and FireWire. My Treo puts RS-232, audio in/out, and some other signals on its connector. On a larger device, you might get away with including all of the appropriate connectors somewhere on the device. For something like an iPod or a phone (at least one that's not just a phone)? Not so much.

    FWIW, I tend to charge most of my stuff by plugging into a USB port on a computer, a USB hub, or a cigarette-lighter-to-USB adapter. Standardizing one end of the connection on something that's small and ubiquitous isn't a bad idea. Insisting on doing the same with the other end of the connection, though, is unnecessarily limiting in terms of what you can do with it. I'd like to see you try driving a projector with the mini-USB port on your Zen for a slideshow. I've run several from my iPod.

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  193. Size really DOES Matter... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, this is a bit of a problem for my wife and me.

    She sells these "gadgets" as a side to her day job.

    They demo best on a new set of batteries.

    But I'm really getting tired of blowing money on new batteries. It's not terribly friendly to the environment, and even Costco mega-packs of them cost more than the rechargeable ones would per demo.

    One little problem: The set of Kodak NiMH AA Batteries we tried got stuck in Patchy Paul...

    We stopped after that. I don't want the headache of having one specific set of batteries for each individual gadget that she carries. They should all be interchangeable. I need to try more batteries, but I'm not looking forward to the cycle of buying, trying, extracting, and returning batteries to find one that fits all of the "gadgets."

    Oh yeah, and the chargers they carry at the local Wal-Mart suck. I really don't want to have to pay for and use a dozen individual chargers because they seem to think nobody needs to charge more than four batteries at a time.

    Any ideas?

  194. Well, there's this widget. by Jaywalk · · Score: 1

    Personally, if this is such a problem you're probably carrying too many electronic widgets. But if you really need them, then this thing is supposed to have adapters for most stuff.

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  195. Hide them and get the jacks by n0on3 · · Score: 1

    I simply hide all the voltage converters ( anyway, the big part of the chargers ) in a boxed env ( i know, they get pretty hot, but that's no big deal ) and let the jacks of the chargers pop out from the base of the external drives and big devices on the shelf just on the top of my monitors, so that i can simply plug the devices, having all of them charging in a raw, and clean the boxed env as rarely as possible. Does that sounds some psychotic, duh? :P

  196. Re:Three step process... by shmlco · · Score: 1

    "... is that the iPhone is a piss-poor replacement for ANY of them..."

    If it were, I wouldn't own one. It's okay as a phone, probably the best music/video/audiobook player out there, has a wonderful web browser for the size of its screen, does email fairly well, SMS is great (though MMS would be nice), and so on. Most of the games I play are logic games like Sudoku, so not having Super Mario Brothers or arcade-style crap doesn't bother me.

    It's biggest weakness is the camera, but I tend to throw the G9 into the backpack most days, and, as I said, I still have a camera even when I don't. And, newsflash, you can put MP3s on an iPod/iPhone without going to the "web-store".

    Most of the issues the phone has now, other than the camera, are simply in the software, and Apple and third-parties are definitely aware of the flaws and updates and applications are coming.

    Any new platform has issues, and a few arrows in the back is the price anyone pays to be an early adopter. That's not being a fanboy, or apologetic, but simply a fact of life. I'm sure Android, if/when it ever gets around to shipping, will have its own flaws, sins, and omissions.

    But that isn't going to stop anyone who really wants one from getting in line on day one.

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  197. iGo by thegoofy · · Score: 1

    You might want to check with iGo.com, they make a charger that allows you to plug in different tips for different devices.

    Not particularly cheap, but if you're more interested in space savings/convenience...

  198. I have built a nice charging station by Technomancer · · Score: 1

    Out of 8A 5V power supply from Halted, some pieces of gray acrylic and blue 7-segment led display amp meter off eBay.
    It looks like this http://i35.tinypic.com/25p30jn.jpg

    I have cut the ends of cables for mini-usb, ipod, samsung phones and other crap I have and made universal connectors inside the box. If I get new gadget with unique connector I just cut the cable, solder universal connector and connect inside the box.

    It is 5V only but most of my gadgets are 5V except for stupid sony bluetooth headphones at 3V. WTF?

  199. Label everything twice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As soon as I get a new toy that uses power and requires a plug in transformer I make sure it works then label it.

    I use a roll of girl friends favorite color electrical tape and fold one 3" piece about six inches from the connector and add one piece to the transformer. Write the name of the toy at both ends with a short description that will allow you 10 years from now to go ah-ha.

    Charging adapters can go coiled up in a basket next to an outlet.

    Monk

  200. one device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like other posts, but taking it one step further (or farther?): I force all my computer-illiterate co dwellers to only purchase phones with the usb charger. So now we have a phone charger in every room, and especially by every bed. I have a couple cheap cigarette to usb adaptors so car charging is easy too. The most commonly used charger is in the kitchen with a high amperage so it charges devices fast. Additionally my phone is my *only* device:
    - phone, gps (gmaps)
    - camera
    - alarm, calculator, ...pda etc.
    - mp3 player (swappable 2GB cards)
    - web browser
    - chat (skittle)
    - password mngr
    - porn storage

    What more do humans really need? Without really trying or thinking about it, every other device has been almost useless and discarded. Ah, just thought about one exception: a $20 mp3/RADIO device (which also charges USB). Since my car radio receiver broke, I've used my phone/mp3 player, but needed the radio function. While we're protesting, lets make phone makers start including radio.

  201. The Sanctuary by BlueLounge by powlette · · Score: 1

    Get one of these:
    http://bluelounge.com/thesanctuary.php

    Has adapters for most everything, looks great and works great, but does not work with iPhone 3G sadly.

  202. Obviously... by crossmr · · Score: 1

    wrap them around your epenis for convenient storage since you're trying to increase its size by posting your "extensive" device list here...
    I moved to Korea for a year with 2 suitcases and 2 carry ons and I have more chargers than that. Come back when you have a serious problem..

  203. SOB!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are pro's and con's to having a standardized charger for say cell phones, and other rechargeable gadgets [PSPs, DSs, MP3 Players].

    Pros:
    1) 1 charger does it all, no clutter
    2) Costs vendors less, no need to pack a damn charger with every item, considering just about everyone has one [Apple did it with the iPod, and shortly anyone that made an MP3 player did the same]

    Cons:
    1) Somebody gets hurt, meaning the company that makes the charger, yeah it sucks, but honestly, chargers are getting worse than spam
    2) Some gadgets that require a higher draw of power [say over 5v] are going to need their own types of adapters, that is understandable.

    If there can be a standard for USB, FireWire, Molex connectors, yadda yadda, why the hell can't there be a damn charger standard.

    For the environmentalist in all of us, Think Green, because what the hell are we going to do with that damn charger when we get a new device.

  204. Re:Three step process... by syousef · · Score: 1

    Besides, I ALWAYS have my iPhone with me.

    I have a Nokia 6220 classic with me all the time. It's much more capable than your iPhone. Give the Apple iGadget fanboi-ism a rest will you?

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  205. Use the iGo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a little pricey, but you buy one wall adapter, one car adapter, and all the right tips. Then you only have to swap the tips before charging. http://www.igo.com/

  206. Bullshit. It is a valid question. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Manufacturers of all kind of electronics go to extreme pains to ensure that chargers and connectors differ as much as possible from each other.

    Basically they are all acting anti competitively forcing consumers to buy the chargers made by themselves.

    Governments and standard bodies are equally culprit for not standardizing all this big mess.

    There is no technical reason why we could not be standardized to 2 or 3 different chargers for varying amounts of current and to one or two types of connectors on any gadget. This would open the market to competition and we could choose the solutions that suit us best. Buying a charger for a mobile phones is the most ridiculous exercise, you know you are buying something clearly overpriced just because the connector is different (very often the same manufacturer having different connectors, thus ensuring the consumer has no choice in the matter).

    As things stand it may very well be that the same charger could work for 3 or 4 devices but all this anticompetitive mess forces people to have 3 or 4 instead.

    We are being abused but some people can think only about insomnia ....

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  207. Re:USB is the answer - Uh, about that... by d3ac0n · · Score: 1

    Additional connectors are fine. if manufacturers wish to make their machine EASIER to connect using MORE standard connectors than simply a mini-USB, then I'm fine with that. I just refuse to be pigeonholed into using some stupid proprietary connector when mini-USB would work just as well.

    As far as larger devices are concerned, I haven't really seen them as an issue. By and large, your PC, Netbook, AV equipment, and automobiles all use standardized connectors and (some) interchangeable parts. These companies have all standardized on a set kind of connection, and consumers (and the companies too) have benefited from it. Small electronics need to do the same.

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  208. Lending a helping hand. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    J'ai un clavier franÃais, vous insensible motte!

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  209. That is nonsense. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    It is no great Engineering feat to accept a range of voltages from the charger and put the necessary circuitry in the gadget to deal with whatever it receives.

    Then you would standarize to 2 or 3 connectors that would match different voltage ranges.

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  210. Profit, profit, profit... What about service? by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    That is the problems with today's "entrepreneurs": they forget that profit is a consequence of providing a better good or service, not of abusing their loyal costumers.

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  211. Nonsense. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Protecting against voltage or current peaks is not black magic.

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  212. How many chargers do you have? by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Multiply by 15 or 20 bucks.

    To be generous, I would say you have been overcharged by at least 50%.

    If that does not matter to you my guess is that it matters to many others.

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  213. check the Noma RX4 pocket charger by MagicFab · · Score: 1

    A Noma RX4 pocket charger may be your ticket to get rid of a few: http://www.fabianrodriguez.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/noma.pdf

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  214. Re:USB is the answer - Uh, about that... by darkonc · · Score: 1
    Na, If some salesperson gave me a cut of the commission, I'd be more than happy to set up his car with a USB charger plug.

    at 5V/0.5A, however, he's gonna have to wait about 6 weeks for it to fully charge.

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  215. no solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    its impossible to find a solution on this case
    I think every device that does not specially require high amperage or voltage should have usb-based charging.

  216. AA Batteries by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

    Call me old-fashioned, but I'm still using NiMH cells for most of my stuff. Forget standard charger cables, what they need are standard Li-ion cells.

  217. What I use to solve this problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use an IGo, It keeps my laptop, both cell phones, bluetooth headset and GPS charged. Just swap the device specific tips. I can also use it in the car (with the 12V plug) on a plane (it came with the airpower tip)and if/when I travel overseas I can get a country specific power cord.

  218. Why Three Mobile Phones? I have to :( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Personal
    Work - standard
    Work - Oncall

    What I REALLY want is one phone that can have multiple sim cards, or be accessible from multiple numbers.

    To answers your questions:
    Yes, I do like to have a phone I can make and receive personal calls on and give to people to contact me on that I don't need to account for.
    Yes, work pays for work phones. All accounting for all calls gets audited.
    Yes, there is a difference between the 'work phone' and 'oncall phone' (which is rotated).

    At this particular moment, I don't have a Work Phone. Thankfully. This won't last long. I'm looking at 6.. maybe 9 months and they will come back and say "you must be contactable" and hand me a work phone. Ahhhhh. Sometimes it isn't good enough that you are *at* work - they want to be able to get through to you *anytime*

  219. How on earth is this informative? by bartyboy · · Score: 1

    Who are the crackheads moderating tonight? Microwaving batteries is not a good idea.

  220. iTips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been using one of their wall chargers for a few years. I think they sell a device that can charge that many devices at one time. Or at least get a few with the Y connector and reduce the number of adapters by half.

  221. Easy solution... Chargepod. by clurey · · Score: 1
  222. Cable Caddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cabble Caddy! I bought one of tehse a while back.
    http://cablecaddy.com/

  223. iGo by speardane · · Score: 1

    investigate the iGo system. 1 charger - multiple tips - certainly much more convenient when travelling

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  224. Label and Replace. by ancienthart · · Score: 1

    I've found the following works for me.
    1. Read the voltage/polarity/current spec. off a charger as soon as I buy a new device.
    2. Using a label maker, label the voltage/polarity onto the device, and the device's name onto the charger.
    3. Put the charger into storage.
    4. Use a little regulated powerpack I bought years ago, that allows you to adjust the voltage it puts out and comes with a variety of different shaped tips, and can output about 1A of juice if needed. (I keep the tips in an old tin that was originally for mints).

    If I lose a label off a device, I can go back to the collection of chargers and re-read the specs. On the other hand, I don't have to lug ten different chargers around. You soon get used to ensuring the powerpack is set up properly.

    Additionally, I recently bought a mobile phone and forgot to label the charger. Promptly lost the charger so I just plugged in the powerpack at it's lowest voltage setting, then quickly ramped up the voltages until I found the lowest one that would charge my phone. Things are still going fine.

  225. Make your own adapters! by Xenographic · · Score: 1

    > You are going to wait quite a while for your plug-in hybrid.

    Nah, you can make your own adapter. Of course, it may take some fancy electronics and a lot of time to get it charged up via mini USB...

  226. chargepod! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  227. My low-tech solution... by Misfire · · Score: 1

    I have a similar problem. I keep it under control by keeping the cords bundled up and secured with twist ties--often the original ties that come with the charger. I only let the cords out enough to be useful. I have a power strip with one or two usable outlets on top of my desk, where I plug in the charger I need to use at the moment. All of the other chargers go into a plastic popcorn tub that sits under my desk. Keeping the cords bundled keeps them from getting tangled up with each other too much.

  228. Replace all those chargers by dbreakey · · Score: 1

    Buy an iGo charger system and chuck (well, maybe just box away) all the ones that it is able to replace.

    Of the list given, it appears that they have charger tips for everything but the Canon Powershot, the Cowan iAudio X5L and the Logitech MX1000.

    I can personally testify that they have tips for the Nintendo DS and DS-Lite, and I've used this system extensively (except for laptops).

    Not really the cheapest option, but probably the one easiest on the sanity.

    You'll probably need to get two charger systems:

    1. For the laptop (due to higher power requirements).
    2. For everything else.

    Check with the company— they'll be able to tell you what you should need.

    Radio Shack also sells these, but I've never seen them carry the heavy-duty ones (the ones needed for laptops and other high-power devices).

    They also have options to allow charging of multiple devices off of a single charger, but I've never messed with those so I don't know how well they work.

  229. Re:Three step process... by shmlco · · Score: 1

    So you carry it, and not a phone AND a MP3 player AND a video/DVD player AND a GPS system AND a camera, and so on. Which in turn reinforces my point. Unless you need the advanced capabilities a particular device provides, convergence devices are the wave of the future.

    Thank you.

    (BTW, with a 2.2" screen, no keyboard, no WiFi, and a measly 3 hour rated talk time, I'd probably argue "much more capable"...)

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  230. Re:Three step process... by syousef · · Score: 1

    So you carry it, and not a phone AND a MP3 player AND a video/DVD player AND a GPS system AND a camera, and so on. Which in turn reinforces my point. Unless you need the advanced capabilities a particular device provides, convergence devices are the wave of the future.

    As long as the device performs its primary function well, I have no issue with adding other features. As for it being the way of the future, I'm not so sure. The GPS' in these phones are useless - old tech, slow aquisition requiring clear line of site. I actually do carry around a much more capable GPS and my iPod much of the time. The camera on the phone is actually quite good for what it is, compared to my previous phone anyway, but I wouldn't swap it for my SLR, that's for sure - so if I want to do serious photography, it doesn't come out of my pocket. I will use my phone to photograph a whiteboard at work or for an occassional quick happy snap. I do like having that feature.

    If the device doesn't do a passable job at all the things it tries to be, it's almost useless.

    (BTW, with a 2.2" screen, no keyboard, no WiFi, and a measly 3 hour rated talk time, I'd probably argue "much more capable"...)

    Let's see.

    I have a small screen. You have a larger one. It also makes your phone bulkier but I would trade bulk for screen size (though I don't like touch screens). So I'll give that one point to you.

    No WIFI is hardly an issue. I have bluetooth which talks to other hardware I own, and some of your WIFI features are crippled. What's more my phone's connection is USB 2 (one reason I didn't touch the N95 8Gb is it's slow USB transfer), so in practice all I have to deal with is the minor inconvenience of plugging in a cable if I want to connect the phone (and that gives me better than WIFI speed anyway)

    3 hour talk time is no issue at all. It'd cost me a small fortune to regularly speak for 3 hours on my mobile phone. In practice I can go without charging for 4-5 days and still use the phone as a phone (and to play music to soothe my newborn son).

    What can I do that you can't? Let's see:

    MMS.

    Take a decent picture (5MP and clarity that shows the ridges on my fingers really nicely) vs your 2MP.

    I can play more media formats than you.

    I can record video and do other mundane things without having to "jailbreak" the phone. Does your phone even allow you to record voice? I can dictate till I go blue on mine.

    Can you view your Office documents on the phone? I can. Not a high priority that one I'll admit. I have no interest in viewing movies or editing documents on a small screen (and your screen is only slightly larger and still of no interest to me. My 17" laptop screen is what I use for that)

    You had to plug your phone into a PC before you could even make a call. That's just funny.

    And my phone's more compact, and cheaper to boot.

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  231. Readily available solutions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.amazon.com/iGo-juice70-PS00055-0003-Universal-Notebook/dp/B000PRN2UI/ref=sr_1_36?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1220024229&sr=8-36 -- The iGo Juice70. You can hook up two devices at once the the charger, it comes with plugs that fit most laptops, and tips are available for just about every device I own. I didn't check for tips for the devices you have, but I've reduced the number of chargers I have significantly. Plus, it comes with airplane and car adapters.

  232. ThinkGeek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Arrived late to this thread, try:
    http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/a2e2/zoom/

  233. Re:Three step process... by shmlco · · Score: 1

    "WIFI is hardly an issue"

    WiFi is faster than 3G, and using it doesn't burn up your data plan. Further, you can only plug in a USB cable if you also happen to be carrying a computer around as well (which tends to negate the compact size). With WiFi, any publicly available access point will do.

    "3 hour talk time"

    Just indicates the size and strength of the battery. With 5/10hr talk times on iPhone, there's more power for talking AND music AND games and so on.

    And video and MMS is coming, can already do dictation, can already view office (and iWork) documents, and other than mp3s and mpgs, don't really have any pressing interest or need to for "other" media formats (many of which are only popular with torrent freaks anyway).

    As to other capabilities, iPhone can access Google, Wikipedia, and most any other web site, and not need a stripped down mobile version to do so. Access and read news and RSS feeds. Get real-time weather information, including weather radar. Get real-time access to traffic cameras. Immediately cross-sync contacts, appointments, and the like to my home/work machines without needing that USB cable, hear and view podcasts and vidcasts, and I'm finding out that it makes a very, very nice little pocket ebook reader.

    What else? Even if my phone did video, I'd probably ignore it, and bring my HD cam if/when I thought I'd need it, just like I dig out the G9 (or the 1Ds) depending upon the photographic situation. Turn-by-turn nav doesn't float my boat, and the next car I get will probably have it built in anyway.

    The iPhone isn't just a phone, it's the first of a new generation of pocket general-purpose computing platforms. The touch screen may not be the very best text entry system out there, but in my book it's just as good as a Crackberry, and far, far superior to the hit-one-button-three-times system used on your phone. Wouldn't want to type a novel on it, but I wouldn't do so on a 'berry either.

    The advantage of the touch screen, however, is that the interface is endlessly mutable. It can be a scientific calculator one second, a dive computer the next, and a home entertainment remote control system right after that.

    I know the uses we've discussed, but have you given any thought as to the number of custom devices this thing (and others like it) are going to replace? Installment loan calculators (ANY special purpose calculator), pocket dictionaries, language translators, metronomes, chess clocks, timers, trip computers, portable game systems, PDAs, bar code scanners, video surveillance monitors, remote camera controllers, and more.

    The general-purpose pocket computer is going to kill off the majority of these things as surely as the general-purpose desktop computer killed off the Wang Word Processor.

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