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Exchange Email Addresses With A Handshake
Eye of the Frog writes "Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corp. and its subsidiary NTT DoCoMo Inc. have developed a device that attaches to your PDA which uses the body's conductivity to transmit data at an amazing 10 megabits per second."
"Honest, your honor. I wasn't grabbing her. I was just giving her my telephone number!"
If you smoke after sex, you're doing it too fast.
And if we could get a long chain of people, maybe we could use them instead of ethernet cable!
At least in transfer rates........
Would it work with any body parts at all?
which uses the body's conductivity to transmit data at an amazing 10 megabits per second
Oh, god. Imagine the new possibilities for porn.
So, if a bunch of people join hands, do they become a Beowolf cluster?
Oh, wait... hmmm... I wonder which I'll need first... a DVD player, or a girlfriend.
How about the people with pace makers? Are they going to have a warning label on the product or even try testing the product with them? Also, how about any other medical conditions that might present themselves due to this technology?
We could all benefit from my education.
Is it just me, or do seeing the words Exchange and Email in the same sentence make you shiver?
I was expecting another word like 'virus' or 'vulnerability' in that sentence.
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
Sounds neat, but i dont think I want wiring clamp pinching my ass everywhere I go.
"People... people who zap people..."
Now you can transfer computer viruses as easy as the old fashioned biological kind.
I can see the T-Shirts now, "Don't touch me! I'm infected with Code Red!"
Just like my 11 mbps wireless connection I guess. Right now, I've got a "Very Good" connection quality, and I rarely go above 2 mbps.
We'll have to wait the first tests by independant people to see how these 10 mbps live up in real-life reality.
If you're close enough to TOUCH the person... why not just give a business card or TALK to the person???
Cat5, Cat5e, Cat6, CatSex...
All editorial writers ever do is come down from the hill after the battle is over and shoot the wounded.
Whuh? Palm.BugBear?! Did you wash your hands?!
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Nippon.. Nippoff... nippon.. nippoff...
Slash-for-Thought
Now ask yourself this: What's to stop crackers from using a root-kit that operates through handshakes to steal information from your electronic device and then use that information to break into your stuff? Is this another one of those technologies that will become totally critical in our everyday lives, and that will also become a huge security problem?
at 10Mb/s our body could transmit it's own DNA in 1 hour and 41 minutes.
9 months is a long time compared to that...
A message from the system administrator: 'I've upped my priority. Now up yours.'
...backbone providers have announced plans to pay people minimum wage to hold hands with each other as a backup backbone.
I think this would be a benefit for both computer security and for true multi-user desktop environments, as well as network access.. Instead of a password, you need the hardware device to access a specific account. then again, it is just one more device to lose/break/power/carry.
Just a thought..
I'm a little tea pot.
i highly doubt the human wang can be as conductive has gold
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According to an earlier post today, the sequence of my DNA is something like 715 MB.
Using my body "conductivity", I can transfer my DNA to a person in, 3-4 seconds? That's like 238 MB/sec. The whole uplink/"stream" process can take as little as 30 seconds to 1 minute. That's still a minimum of about 12 MB/second for the entire "load."
Some news.
It gives a whole new meaning to "hands around the world". Now where to find volunteers...
if(!toilet_paper) roll.replace(new roll);
As far as I know, semen is probably a lot quicker than this -- gigabits per second -- but of course, if you average this over time from motivation for data exchange to time of exchange, most guys on here would be better off with mud..
Dark club, a whisper in your ear.
"I know what you like".
A fleeting touch verifies it- she sure does.
So, she settles down next to you, and rests her hand on your leg. It can't be the data-transmission that's making you shiver, you've done this before.
A few breathless minutes later, she smiles, and kisses you lightly on the forehead.
"Keep the faith."
You know you will. After all, a quick glance at your PDA shows that you've benefitted twice tonight.
What we call folk wisdom is often no more than a kind of expedient stupidity.-Edward Abbey
No wonder all sorts of people want to shake my hands at the mall :)
1500 Handshaken mail addresses available for $9.99.
Yes, but in order to reach full 10mbps you have to have a diet rich in copper.
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So what happens when a person gets DoS attacks? Or infected with a virus? Can we just unplug you? Or turn you off?
We could all benefit from my education.
Gives new meaning to that old story about virii(or is it viruses?) being spread when people shake hands...
"In a 32-bit world, you're a 2-bit user. You've got your own newsgroup, alt.total.loser." -Weird Al
The DMCA has announced that skin is now illegal.
Cogito ergo sum in Slashdot.
So those people who have issues with germs will not want to shake hands for risk of contracting a virus, worm or other PDA nasty. So does this mean Norton antivirus will team up Proctor and Gamble to make Zest antivirus?
why not surgically attach yourself to them as well? Since you'll be close enough, if you can get your companion to drop his / her guard just briefly, you can assure his or her permanent attention to anything you might have to say with a quick application of superglue and instant sutures.
:)
Haven't you ever wanted to exchange information (like telephone numbers, email address, etc) with someone for future reference?
This just skips a few awkward moments.
What it seems most like to me is the current (and quite cool) ability for Palm OS devices to beam information to each other -- faster, more accurate and less subject to loss than scribbling numbers on napkins.
timothy
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damnit, thats no ethernet cable, why, its people, NTT is people I tell you, people!
I hate sigs.
So for 10Mbps ethernet, we need 4 wires and they have to be twisted at 3 twists per foot. But the human body is just as good... I'm not buying it.
My DNA transmission can only last for several seconds...
Personal Firewall.
every day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random
Your unique conductivity will be added to our own.
You will be assimilated.
Resistance is futile....
Somehow I envision all my personal data being extracted somehow when I step onto a sewer grate.
Or a nimda virus that uses my unwitting conductivity ports for DDOS attacks against others outside my collective.
My dying wish will be to link up with 7 of 9, who is really about 9 of 10 anyway.
And even that one rarely does..
every day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random
Problems: Stores might rig their doornobs to download your personal information as you go in the store. Privacy issue. Or someone could touch you, and have all your information stored. Think potential stalkers/criminals/etc. Scary. Of course you could always turn it off, I suppose, but if you forget it's a problem. I assume I'm not the only absent minded human around.
However, there are some interesting possibilities:
A credit card reader could read your body's electrical signal, as it is also scanning the card. Added consumer security. Even cooler would be if each person had a unique electrical signal their body generates, but I don't know anything about that. Either way, interesting.
You could make long distance calls from anywhere, and have the phone read your calling card number automatically when you pick up the phone.
Possibility of electronic "keys" for car/house stored in PDA. Not so good if PDA is lost or crashes, but if you can call the company and say "My PDA is gone - please scramble my house key codes until we can resolve the issue" it might work. Locking the house would be great - simply disable the electronic circuit from the inside and there is no lock to pick. As for someone who tries to crack it while you're out, simply have the system stop taking input for five seconds if it gets a bad signal. With billions of possibilities at five seconds a try, it wouldn't work real well trying to crack it. If you're paranoid, have it take thirty seconds. No more fumbling with keys or those little remote control keychains, either - just touch and open.
Many issues to resolve, but some very cool possibilities as well.
"I object to doing things that computers can do." -- Olin Shivers, lispers.org
Does anybody else think this sounds just a teensy bit flaky? The article says the connection works through clothing ... "Apparel and handbags have their own conductivity, allowing an electrical connection to a PDA that can remain in one's pocket..." Huh?? 10 mbps using the cloth of my pocket as a conductor??
I have a suspicion that news.au.com is getting one slipped to them. The closest Google result I could get with "NTT NoCoMo skin" is this article about a cell phone that conducts sound through bone and cartilage, enabling you to listen to the call by sticking your finger in your ear.
Uhhh, okie dokie.
Congratulations people, you have been reduced to a wire. And a crappy wire at that.
Where you can get charged with academic dishonesty not for looking over at someone elses' test or passing a cheat sheet, but for just givin 'em a high five. That's neat.
That could be concidered a very effecient Peer-to-Peer relationship, however, I'm still waiting until I can get 802.11a wired directly into my brain. The idea of it is simply a little disturbing for me, especially when dealing with power regulation. I wouldn't want a simple thing like a business card exchange to become a 'shocking' experience.
Now having an overcrowded dormroom can be a plus, you can save the cost of networking cable.
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This was demonstrated at a trade show that I was at a few years back. The idea was that you could shake hands or touch a button and have info d/l straight to your PDA. Having worked a Comdex or 2. this sounds like a great way to gather a ton of info withour breaking your back before the weeks over.
A handshake is about all it takes to get emails from Exchange
I haven't even read the article, probably wont. Isn't every couple of months there's some startup scam promising some massive jump and paradigm shift in bandwidth? Aren't we about due another one?
One man's pink plane is another man's blue plane.
New reason to wash your hands after pissing. Your PDA may pick up viruses left in the static charge of bathroom doorhandles, etc. For serious.
Doesn't anyone else find it odd that this was developed in Japan of all places? Living there, I don't know when the last time I shook hands with someone was. At least this could be handy for exchanging information with women... because I don't when when the last time I had (physical) contact with a man.
... and it happend. Granted I probably shouldn't give Hideo Kojima credit, but DAMN. Where's my Guided missles dammit?!
(The device in question was a key card that identified you just by touching a door through the process listed above.)
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
If I were to record a digital sample of my voice at 10MBps, wouldn't I be transferring data at 10MBps by using my body?
-- If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done? - Uli's moose
people have been doing this since E-mail became an esential business tool.......
it is called the business card.
True capitalism = lots of similar companies = jobs for everyone who wants one.
New way to transfer a virus?
Not only a bio-bug, but also e-bugs.
Oh great, more spam, just lovely. And they'll say I opted-in, too ... with my handshake.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
This would be wonderful in the buisness world - you would never have to remember everyone's names again! By shaking their hand you could get their name, phone numbers, e-mail, picture of them, details of their company - everything humans normally don't remember.
So 10 mbps with a handshake? What kind of bandwidth could I get with sexual intercourse? Enough, given the time, to transfer a full movie? Talk about peer-to-peer trading. No more Napster or Kazaa ... the world's oldest profession makes a come-back in the digital age. Jack is sure gonna be pissed.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
Wouldn't it mean that you actually have to touch somebody? I think it defeats the whole purpose.
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place your hand on the Bible and swear...
Hello, Identity Theft. This takes IP spoofing to a whole new level.
Oh shit! I forgot to click "Post Anonymously"...
I guess this means we can't go around just touching anything without worrying about germs and virii... for our PDAs. Time to get the "win32\doorknob.a" update for my AV proggy.
Now the spammers will just run around slapping people.
What if we don't want to store their data? Can you imagine how many contacts you would have if you stored a business card for every hand you shook?
they don't touch each other when doing business...they just bow.
True capitalism = lots of similar companies = jobs for everyone who wants one.
hey, this is a great way to trade warez and mp3's! :)
taking p2p one step up.. just think how much friendlier warez swap meets could be - everyone's shaking hands...
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consenting adults + fancy PDA skin technology + teledildonics = SuperPr0n!
Must be sending one of those big raytraced spinning animgifs for that to be used.
Unless handshaking involves flicking a fly off someone.
Someone set us up the bomb, so shine we are!
Spammers will now harvest e-mail addresses by flash-flooding buisiness conference halls with salt water.
... but this seems like it would have great ramifications for the intelligence community. Of course, they've probably had this technology for years...
Now all you need is a chip implant able to do this.
Hands Across America was an early trial for this technology. It was determined that fiber optics would be more cost effective for long haul data transmission.
How the hell can you give the guy the latest Metallica tune by talking? Just grab his junk and give it to him.
I was just thinking that the art of spying gets easier with this technology. One can transmit valuable data by touch. Or you could be a carrier of super-secrets and not even know it!
Now instead of having their laptops lost, they get their PDAs stolen...
The human genome is around 3gb.. NOT 715mb...
I don't care what compression scheme you use.
recompile.org
Be sure to check out Lawrence Lessig's freeculture speech.
That's quite old - people are doing it for years - only they are using slower technology - something like 50 Bits/sec @ 230 V. Some strange ones are using 110 V.
but.. can you overclock it to 100mbps by rubbing your feet on the carpet?
Is it possible that the climate of japan allows for more moisture buildup on the surface of the skin? maybe the saltiness of their sweat allows for the transfer.
Maybe it pricks into your skin Johnny Nmeumonic style...
lol.
-- -=innocent ramblings from the mind of an insomniatic programmer=-
It's been read and re-read and loaned out (often to people going to other countries) that it's in sad, sad shape. Now, see, I need to get that in palm doc format.
What we call folk wisdom is often no more than a kind of expedient stupidity.-Edward Abbey
If the data is fake I can just vulcan neck pinch the mofo and throw him in a dumpster.
Although, would you mind so much getting body contact from a lovely female spam-vixen?
What we call folk wisdom is often no more than a kind of expedient stupidity.-Edward Abbey
Who's gonna come up with the first PDA virus that can be transmitted via handshakes? Careful who you touch...they may be infected...
if(!cool) exit(-1);
This is an interesting development, coming from Japan, where they prefer to not press the flesh.
So I'm on a subway and its jam packed full of people, would I be networked with ALL OF THEM? Wouldn't something like this open itself up for the p-2-p problem? (I.E. the 'ping, i'm here' bandwidth overuse) I know people have mentioned spam, and rightly so. A spammer could go into a subway, hold on to the railing and transmit to nearly everyone in that train.
--sig fault--
Body condo^H^H^H^H^H gloves to prevent unauthorised virii being transmited by human contact.
Something that can go through clothing might not have too much trouble using me as the conductive path needed to borrow the credit card of the person standing next to me.
This kind of technology brings up some interesting possibilities for the field of espionage.
For example, the passing of information from an agent to another agent could be as inconspicuous as two people whose hands happen to touch while holding the same handrail in a subway car.
Sheesh. I'd be afraid of touching anyone because, who knows, I might get a virus or something. Or is there going to be a Norton AntiVirus for Humans 1.0? And make sure your condoms have built in firewalls.
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...but some of the test subjects' "antenna" wasn't quite long enough for decent reception.
CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
In a crowded train in Tokyo, you'd have a network with up to 50 nodes. That could be some serious computing power there (assuming that processing power of phones and PDAs increase significantly).
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How would you detect it?
"Get him! He's not as clumsy as he looks!"
Even more importantly, how would you prevent it? Outlaw public gatherings greater than 3 people per square yard? Mandatory non-conductive clothing?
Personal Area Networks.
I've seen comments about pacemakers and safety of this technology. Quoted from the page above:
The current used is one-billionth of an amp (one nanoamp), which is lower than the natural currents already in the body. In fact, the electrical field created by running a comb through hair is more than 1,000 times greater than that being used by PAN technology.
Stop worrying about the risks of nuclear power and start worrying about the risks of not using nuclear power.
so if my cat5 cable is just to short, i can get somebody to hold the two ends to make it fit.
We have seen how to carry data in one's body. Remember William Gibson's "Johny Mnemonic"? Now we have transmission method, we only have to develop storage.
:wq
"We are merely exchanging long protein strings. If you can think of a simpler way, I'd like to hear it."
Just another reason to keep wearing my rubber gloves. *snap*
Money for nothing, pix for free
This tech would only make sense if it was automatic. It wouldn't be very practical if you had to fumble around your pocket and press "send" while having to hold the other person's hand. If it is automatic, however, then you'd really have some new concerns with the security offered by these PDA's. If any apps exchanging data this way were buggy, or had some buffer overflow problems, can you imagine the "fun" people could have? Bumping into the wrong person on an exhibition floor could crash your PDA... perhaps wipe out or steal its contents?
Because you cant talk at 10mbps. duh.
-- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
First, 10 Mbps is possible, but that's getting near the theoretical limit. The datarate is limited by the bandwidth, and the bandwidth is limited by the fact that around 50MHz, the signal wavelength is about four times the size of a person, which means the person turns into an antenna, and the whole system becomes essentially a short range radio.
Second, because these systems operate in the near field, the signal travels through a current loop, and not as plane waves in free space. This means that there has to be some kind of grounding path for current to flow back to the transmitter after going through the person. This is why it works so well to put transceivers in shoes -- the ground path can flow through earth ground (or any conductive material in the floor). For devices held in hands, the very small (femtofarad) capacitance of free space is enough, but the signal does suffer more from noise. Devices in purses, etc. also have this problem, and may have difficulty establishing the ground connection depending on the material the purse is made from and the other objects inside it.
One issue that to my knowledge has not been addressed very well is guaranteeing that the signal is received during--and only during--physical contact. There is a large dependence of signal strength on geometry. The devices I've constructed can communicate when they're brought near (~10 cm) of each other, touching or not. There are a few solutions, such as looking at jumps in signal strength, but they tend to be confused when a person without a transceiver happens to touch the object, and a person with a transceiver is nearby. I'm currently working on this problem for my PhD dissertation, so if you have any good ideas or know of related work, I'd love to hear from you.
If you'd like to read more, the first (and most detailed) publication I know about on this idea was Thomas Zimmerman's Masters Thesis at the MIT AI Lab. You find it here: http://www.media.mit.edu/physics/publications/thes es/95.09.zimmerman.pdf
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Hello, Bob, long time no see. *shake hands*. Welcome, Klez. Jeff too! Slapper, remember to behave yourself. As it seems everyone is here, could you please give the opening speech, Alex.
We're one step closer to becomming drummers. Who will be the first to use the power of the pda and people handshaking to make a massive codebreaking cluster?
In related news, the MPAA lobbies for legislation to illegalize Viagra...
Let's see their thinking...
A DVD has about as many bits per second as you can transfer. Basically, that means that for a 1:40 DVD, you would need to keep up the contact for an hour and 40 minutes to be able to transfer the 6GB involved.
Therefore, anyone who attempts to obtain the ability to do that must be a video pirate...
-- Terry
OMG!
This is going to be the next terror weapon against the US! Terrorists will be able to transfer secret terrorist plans real easy!
They can go around spreading secret terrorist virusses by simply touching victims, this can lead to terrible epidemics.
Why haven't we done anything to stop japan from developing these weapons... we could have nuked them before it was to late!
"I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots." -George H.W. Bush
I can see someone hacking this upping the amperage and using it as that old hand buzzer joke....
"Meeting him was just electrifying..."
blah
Does this mean latex is now a firewall?
Seriously, I think this new technology could be used in some interesting ways. I'm waiting for someone to work it into the electric chairs used on death row, for a particularly fitting punishment for certain individuals...
"Jerry Bruckheimer, for your crimes against humanity, this court orders you to be put to death via electric chair. 100 million copies of Armageddon will be digitally sent through your body each second until you are sufficiently fried. And may God have mercy on your crap-movie making ass..."
A friend of mine had told me (a few years ago) about how his company was working on ways to use body conductivity and the electical fields surrounding our bodies to pass data. This article sounds very familiar.
;) seamlessly.
Passing data from one person to another was one of the uses, but the other I found much more interesting.
Imagine a personal device "cloud" where your PDA, watch, and cell phone all pass data back and forth. Your watch acts as a small display for your cell and/or your PDA and receives time updates via the cell. Your PDA uses the cell for data calls. Your cell uses your PDA to look up names and numbers. All (theoretically
Take it a step further, and create small modules that plug into this personal network. Maybe a keychain of functions all accessable through your watch or PDA. Maybe carry a Quake quarter in your pocket.
Nokia make a lot of press with putting a camera in a cell phone. I haven't looked at the spec, but I'd imagine that like many multi-function devices, it doesn't do either well. Imagine your (dedicated to task) camera taking pics, and storing them on another device (is that smart card in your wallet or are you just happy to see me?), previewing the pics on your phone and sending them from there. You could easily give them to someone else with a handshake.
Quite a lot of possibility. I had often thought that the business card exchange application was the least exciting...
Never never never smoke crack before geometry class!
...with a pda in my pocket that keeps the electrical potential of my skin oscillating at a carrier frequecy of 10mhz, i guess i can stop worrying about having my cellphone in the back pocket of my jeans, the high voltage lines over my house and the high power radar at the airport in sight ;-)
I wonder if it means that the MPAA/RIAA would be buying senators to add DRM (digital restrictions mechanisms) to our bodies now...
All kidding aside though, I'd love for something like this to be available to get rid of my damn too-big keychain. Just being able to have something like a watch which would unlock a locked door, pay for a cola from a vending machine, or automatically pay at the pump when I take the nozzle out of the pump to fill up the car.
N.
"Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence." - Charles de Gaulle
No one seems to mention the complete loss of bladder control for 3 days afterward, and hair falling out in clumps. I guess these will mostly be worked out by v.8 of the hardware, with very few cases happening by v1.0. :)
-Charlie
And now it's no longer a fiction.....
The long lost song is your own heartbeat.
Look for "personal area networks" on Google. Zimmerman and Gershenfeld worked on this.
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The DNA would be decoded, and transmitted by touch, then re-encoded.. some form of star-trek-replication-technology would then create the sperm-cells, and the female would be pregnant.
QUICK! SOMEONE SHUT IT DOWN!!!
3001 -- exchanging personal information by touch of the palm.
Has he thought of everything?
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and what's new anyway: The technology could allow data communications through [...], switches, [...]
Like datacommunication could do without switches now anyway...
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In a healthy male:
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2-5 cc's of semen.
Up to 228 gigabytes of data in about 5 seconds.
or about 365 gigabits per second.
Men like computers because they are impotent compared to us.
The monthly estrus cycle equates to about 2.5 kb/s
Even a phone modem is faster than a woman.
If voting were effective, it would be illegal by now.
I'm pretty sure that IBM ran a demo of this technology several years ago and called it a PAN "Personal Area Network". Used some prototyped PDAs with tilt navigation, etc.
Reach out and Hack someone.
...and soon there will be data rape
All things in moderation; including moderation
... you can keep track of who participated the last gangbang! :)
the computer is online
i am not at it
what a waste of ressources
maybe get 100 megabit? bandwidth
No more waking up in the morning without knowing her name!
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
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the computer is online
i am not at it
what a waste of ressources
http://www.research.ibm.com/topics/popups/smart/mo bile/html/pan.html
"If A equals success, then the formua is A=X+Y+Z. X is work. Y is play. Z is keep your mouth shut" - A Einstein.
... whole new meaning to 'security holes'!
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I guess warez does teach you something... I guessed 10 minutes.
I can already hear them: no no, we're not gay. we're just forming a p2p-network for our mp3z...
Sorry, but I'm ROTFLASTC...
A device that lets you exchange business cards through a simple handshake...
invented in Japan, where indeed business cards exchange is a national sport...
but where direct physical contact is always avoided (Japanese people bow at each other, remember?).
Life is wonderful.
I code, therefore I am.
You could kill some old guy just by a simple handshake.
..the famous 50 dollar handshake means. Do you, or do I need to educate you?
Locks only keep the casual criminal honest. If someone wanted into your house, they could get in with out a key (bust the door down, break a window, pick the lock). This tech would just up the IQ requirement if they try picking the lock.
"Ask me about Loom"
OK, did you create Loom? Was it you who programmed/designed it?
Now if they can just find a way to exchange email addresses with a bow, then we will have something really useful in Japan.
-- -- Warning. Do not stare directly at the sun.
Senators like the IT industry more than the media industry, and the IT industry can buy double the number of Senators that the movie industry has, but IT people in general (apart from usless MBA types) are shy and think they can just email the Democrats back into power.
Never before in history has such an important part of the economy been run by geeks that are too afraid to lobby the Senate and too afraid to protest and have virtually no union (I think). The DMCA was supposed to help the IT industry, but the geeks were so shy to say anything that the legislature had to guess at what the IT industry wanted. As a result we have the DMCA we have today
Bill Gates or Linus can pick up his phone right now and call Bush, then Bush will say, "Hello Mr Gates/Torvalds nice to hear from you, I will see you at your convenience, sir. Is there anything you would like from the US Government? We are your humble servants.". But the geeks that run the IT industry can't even understand the power they have. Funny.
A caveman dreams of being us, the incalculable power and riches. We dream of being Q, then what?
If I use both hands do I get 20Mbit? What about 40 if I use my feet?
:)
And if I wear very insulated clothing that also reduces the effects of magnetic fields around me, does that give a cleaner signal and less packet loss?
In related news, the MPAA lobbies for legislation to illegalize Viagra... ;-)
No! You don't need an antenna for the technology to work
I've been modded "insightful" by someone!!!
now I'm REALLY scared.
"I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots." -George H.W. Bush
"Personal Area Networks" were hyped in 2000, an article here. If you search the MIT media lab's web site you can find a thesis written on this from 1995!
If your PDA hash this feature, Outlook would be one more reason to practice safe sex.
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Perhaps a healthy dose of fiber would help, too. (well, even if it doesn't increase your bandwidth, at least fiber will make your, urm, input/output go a lot faster ;-)
as another vector for spam?
:P
Walking through a business convention and collecting like hell...
They should have a supa secret handshake that will only divulge the email address as a security protocol.
The next step is obviously the world's first sexually transmitted computer virus.
microsoftword.mp3 - it doesn't care that they're not words...
Imagine trying to catch a spy network that uses this instead of deaddrops or other means. heck. anyone you touch, shakehands with, or even PASS could be someone throwing data around...
Maybe THIS is the "Force" that Lucas invented... a network Aura giving power, "feeling" things around you... heh
The price we pay for immortality... is death. Narnia The Great Fall
They tried this in the seventies but it went disastrously wrong
Can you imagine tinned food etc containing email information so everything you pick up added the companies email address to your address book?
So how do we reboot? Is taking a nap sufficient? Or do we have to "find God" and be "born again"?
"You want a toe? I can get you a toe by three o'clock... with nail polish."
Hehe, gives a totally new meaning to being "r00ted"
In the movie Minority Report, your eye is scanned for your identity everywhere you go. In the movie Gattaca, your dna is sampled frequently.
Really, all you would have to do is have a surgical implant like a pacemaker and then touch the metal plate of a scanning device everywhere you go. No eye scanning. No fuzzy facial or fingerprint scans. No puncturing the skin. Just touch a metal plate as you walk past. You are positively identified everywhere you go. Completely unobtrusive.
An innovation like this would be welcomed by all right-thinking people because it would save us from the hasstle of always hearing "Your papers please!". No more forgetting your papers, or having to drop your baggage to find them. Let Microsoft integrate it with Passport, and it would be good for the economy. The birth tax would be universal. The EULA could be printed on microfice on the metal casing of the implant. (An infant couldn't understand it anyway.) Finally, the implant could administer shocks to punish wrong thinking.
(Need I say something for the humor impaired?)
Those who would give up liberty in exchange for security and DRM should switch to Microsoft Palladium!
Personal Area Network. Worked off a pager sized whoditty. Kulakovich
This has actually been around for at least four years. I remember seeing this somewhere else back then. At that time, it was a device that went into your shoe (to generate power) and held a small amount of data to transmit via the handshake. Interfacing with a PDA probably solves a lot of the issues with power and memory.
I thought people were only good for batteries, as in the Matrix. Now China can have the largest network ever if everyone there would only hold hands... oh dear God... All of them would be very hard.. at least the guys .. from all the Natural Viagra spam flowing through them!!
I only look human.
My mother is a halfling and my dad is an ogre, so that makes me an Ogreling
The companies have confirmed in an experiment that data can be transmitted at 10 megabits per second, comparable to the speed of a broadband Internet connection, it said.
And in what area are you getting 10 megabits to begin with? I want to move there. That's roughly 5x the cap where I live.
Makes walking through a subway terminal and implanting your info on others attractive a viable idea for spammers, eh?
There is no graceful way to eat an egg salad sandwich.
Am I the only one who finds this type of technology disturbing? I would much prefer giving my information to someone rather than have some stupid machine just hand it out willy-nilly to everyone else with the same device. Maybe I am just paranoid, but, as someone once said, just because I am paranoid, doesn't mean everybody isn't out to get me!
1) Exchange a public encryption key (no CA required)
2) Resume in the palm of your hand.
3) Face - to - face file swapping.
I am not a number! I am a man! And don't you
Damnit, i was working on an idea like this :(
well, back to the old drawing board, i guess.
I wonder if there are any health hazards (radiation/cancer?) would be a consideration. A lot of people are already freaked out that having cellphones clipped to their frontal belt area may leave them unable to produce children later in life...
While this is suppose to use the body's "natural" conductivity, I imagine that it might mess with the body's natural electromagnetics or other semi-electrical processes. Aren't nerve impulses electrical in nature? It would certainly suck if your leg started twitching every time your PDA alarm went off (although it would be a neat trojan to plant on somebody).
My PDA made me do it! - phorm
I am also curious about Loom. I played a game called Loom once.
10mbps? millibits per second? Thats 1 bit in 100 seconds. Sounds easy enough to me.
Interesting Business Missed (aka IBM) had done some research into this in 1996, but don't think they took it any further (yes, yes, in the many, many interesting posts before this one that I did not read, someone did mention it, but they did not use the Interesting Business Missed aka :) wonder if this will be an Immense Business Missed??
Anyway, here's the URL
http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/user/pan/pan.html
Oh, so you're probably wondering about the $500,000-- CNN.com Tech has an article about a "non-profit" sci-entrepreneur who is putting individuals' DNA on CD for a mere $500 g's
http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/10/06/genes.on.cd.a p/index.html
(again, if someone posted, I aploogize for being an anonymous coward and not reading all posts; if not, enjoy! :)
Same as with signatures and so forth. I give out a timestamp or something encrypted with my private key. My public key can decrypt it. Therefore I'm me and you can open the door.
I never transmitted my key, I transmitted something that keeps changing (like the time) that was just encrypted with my key, and the decrypted version made sense. What the decrypted text actually turned out to be really wasn't the point.
Could be better ways.. Have the doorknob send me plain text which I then munge a bit and encrypt with my private key to send back. A challenge response mechanism using public key encryption, basically. Lots of other ways. Only thing that will really hurt me is theft of the implant.
We have to assume the implant is secure, though. If it has flaws then they could be exploitable, although it'd have to be damn fast to exploit if it's only got 1-2 seconds in which to do it.
- Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
According to the article, "The companies have confirmed in an experiment that data can be transmitted at 10 megabits per second, comparable to the speed of a broadband Internet connection."
Broadband is 10Mbps? On what planet? Maybe Vint Cerf's Mars-Net. Here on Earth, everything from 128K to yottabits per second are referred to as broadband. No wonder the public is so confused about what broadband is and is not.
This technology has been around probably since the 1960's. Read up on old science mags and you'll discover an article or two about it.. they've just made this possible now with latest technology but the technology itself for body data transfer has been around for a long time.
This gives a whole new meaning to the term "handshaking protocols" :)
So.. now SEX really will mean "software exchange"
Slashdotting one overseas link might be OK, but come on, slashdotting the link to .au AND to .jp?? And of a major telecom provider?? *Server lights on fire* "Hey, where'd my call go??!!"
Hmm.. electromagnetism... High Frequency radiation, addictive device, radiation... CANCER!
I remember hearing of this stuff a few years back, i checked the ibm site and found that the original project is still on the IBM website. Here's the link. http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/user/pan/pan.html
...just wait until the hackers write a exploit that grabs people's credit card numbers who are crowded with them on the Tokyo subway.
I always heard it was an acronym for "Westernized Oriental Gentleman." In a sarcastic way (the implication being that no "oriental gentleman" could be truly westernized, and therefore attempts to be so were pathetic and worthy of derision. Really nice.
Why do those guys keep coming around and writing on me with chalk?
If Chaos Theory has taught us anything, it's that we must kill all the butterflies.
I did read the article. Maybe you should try actually reading my post. The sentence I quoted about handbags and pockets came directly from it. I also read the fish translation of Nihon Keizai Shimbun, which is patchy at best, then went to the nttdocomo website, found nothing, and finally tried google to get some sort of confirmation. The difficulty of finding material on this thing makes me more suspicious that it is vapor. I could be wrong, but forgive me for having an opinion.
Imagine that crowded Japanese subway with everyone "data enabled" onboard and all those packet collisions. Probably some kind of neural net would have to be developed.
My name fits again.
The implications of this are scary. I'm sure marketers are all over this right now.
Any HW guy worth his Wheaties (as opposed to Starbutts and a bagel with mauve low-fat cream cheese) has been able to use various 'single-wire' chip interfaces for this for TEN YEARS! Or put something together out of parts for 50 years! Example is Dallas Semi chips that were used starting in the early 90s for various data-com, security, and emergency widgets. For heavens sake, Nicola Tesla thought about some of these possibilities around 1910!
Sheesh.....
(random thoughts)
Geeks are still subconsiously operating under the assumption that "speaking up == getting beaten up by schoolyard bullies".
This further reduces the chance that tech-geeks will have sex. "We never did it see, you were just fixing my server."
This technology is known as a "PAN" or Personal Area Network and was developed at least five years ago by MIT.
I first read about it in the IBM Systems Journal, but can't find that reference on line.
Here's a reference to Business week from 1997.
Gee, don't people keep track opf tevhnology here ?
It was raining as usual in Seattle as Jeremy hurried to get to his eMELF (Electronic Media Liberation Front) meeting which was starting in 25 minutes. He was late. He plugged his iBelt to his machine and made last minute adjustments to his search list for the night. He moved Ed Norton's "Sacrifice" to the tops of his list and added "Newman Season 1" to it. He strapped on his iBelt and pulled a blue Banana Republic turtle neck sweater over it and rushed off. It was getting dark as he pulled into the Busy Bee Cafe. Busy Bee was a mom and pop place which was the latest haunt for the club. He saw Jenny entering the cafe as she parked, "Boy is she hot" he thought. She wearing a short leather shirt and guess what a bluish turtle neck cashmere sweater. Jeremy found himself wondering if Jenny had a tattoo underneath that skirt somewhere as he headed straight for the back-room where they always met.
...no...one sec." As he fidgeted with his iBelt he thought "What a freaking idiot."
As Jeremy entered the room he saw that Jenny was sitting next to the only available seat, he said hello as he sat and she smiled backed. The room was full of the usual suspects plus two new people. A tall smart looking guy with shaggy-like blonde hair and a cute looking brunette. Evidently they were both Ishaq's friends as they were both talking to him. "Hmmnnn, two new people in one week" thought Jeremy, "Ishaq might be making the group too big too fast. I should say something about that."
A few seconds later Ishaq stood up and introduced the two new members as Michael and Jessica. They both said a few things about themselves before we started linking and search session. As Jeremy was about start configuring the iBelt, he saw Jenny lifting her sweater to configure hers, revealing a low cut skirt below her belt. Jeremy almost froze, as he saw what looked to be a tattoo of playboy bunny with just the ear visible just above skirt belt line. "Are you done?" asked Jenny, who had finished configuring her iBelt and caught Jeremy staring at her in deep thought. "Ummnn yes.....errr no
As his Linkster finished launching everyone was already linked, and were looking at Jeremy as if saying "Hurry up moron". A few of them were. As Linkster came up Jemery grabbed Jason's hand, while Jenny was holding hers up for him. He gently held her hand and felt this tingle as his Linkster got a reply back from hers and others. She smiled at Jeremy as Ishaq started speaking about the agenda items for the meeting. It was mostly redundant dribble which everyone had read at the club site, but this week's security and classified information was interesting as he said that he had confirmed from a source he knew from the Starbucks IT, that Starbucks and EMPA (Electronic Media Protection Agency, a powerful and cash rich "Non-profit" organization started by the major Hollywood studios, Microsoft and the Record Industry) developers were working on some ultra secret enhancement to Linkster Search Agent software which was said to have broken the Linkster encription code. The LSA was known to be a powerful agent which found hardwired Linkster databases and corrupted them by randomly shifting bits. It was known to be a threat on the internet but wirelessly breaking into Linkerster and iBelt detected in the Wireless cloud was a new and dangerous threat.
As Jeremy was thinking about the implication he felt his iBelt warning buzzer. "What the hell is this?" Then he remembered that he had installed this new LSA detection bundle for Linkster which detected LSA virus intrusions. But how can that happen, even if the stories about the Wireless LSA with capabilities to break into Linkster were true, it cannot happen here in the free-zone. They had especially chosen Busy Bee because it was in one of few remaining area of greater Seattle outside of the wireless network cloud. As he his mind rushed his gaze fell on Michael the new guy, who was looking back at him. Within a blink of an eye he had not only detected an LSA attack but he had also found how attack came. "Break link, we have a hard-line somewhere, break link" he shouted as he let Jenny and Jason's hand go. "We have an LSA attack, break your freakin links." Everyone broke links, Michael was slow to, but he broke the links as well. Ishaq quickly checked his iBelt and quickly confirmed that in-fact his whole 720 TB database was corrupted. "Who?" he screamed at Jeremy, and when he saw his eyes focused on Michael, he did not even turn as he lunged straight for Michael's throat. He missed as Michael jumped up from the chair and headed for the door, but never made it as Chad brought him down with a lunge at his mid-rift. Ishaq got up and ripped off Michael's iBelt and found it was wireless enabled, which was being used in conjunction with a power base in his car outside.
Jeremy knew that their eMELF chapter was compromised their iBelts were corrupted with LSA and would have to be reinstalled. It was quite possible EMPA could identify some of them who were not careful about the data they kept on the iBelts. Ishaq asked everyone to break group quickly in case the EMPA showed up. Everyone scrambled to leave quickly, while Jeremy was standing with Ishaq and Chad who had Michael pinned down and were kicking him every now and then, Jenny came up to him and said "That was very cool." as she held her hand up for a shake. Jeremy smiled and said "Oh it was nothing." As he shook her hand he realized she had just given him her phone number.
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The number of posts which correlate penis size to bandwidth doesn't surprise me: geeks have been "measuring up" to each other that way for years...
Just what I need to get launched into the 8th dimension when I accidentally walk by some radio source....
Bill Stewart
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I wonder if body fat vs. muscle percentage makes that 10mb vary?
As to house maintenance, does it involve problem solfing? If so,
your hacker can safely be left to deall with the panning (for the
musement value, if nothering ese).
-- Telsa Gwynne
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