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jf writes "Gimp 2.0 released! From gimp.org: "This release is a major event, marking the end of a three year development cycle by a group of volunteers and enthusiasts who have made this the most professional release of the GIMP ever. It is the first stable release that is officially supported not only on Unix-based operating systems, but also on Microsoft Windows and Macintosh OS X." Get it from ftp.gimp.org or from the mirror sites."
Now maybe I can figure out how to use the thing.
If it's officially supported - where's the Windows binary then? :-?
I'm glad that this release improves the accessability to normal enthusiasts. A person pointed me to the Gimp once about half a year ago, and I couldn't stand to use it because of the god-awful interface that I encountered. I'll definitely give it a try.
Is that on K-tel records?
Do I get one free if I order Mr. Microphone?
--J(K) DOS is like Unix in exactly the same way that a pinto is like an aircraft carrier.
Perhaps it'll finally be unmasked in portage. I hate editing my package.mask file after every sync, just for gimp! Yay! Rejoice!
Last time I checked, MacOS X was at least as "Unix-Based" (darwin) as Linux, if not more...
I was offered a penny for my thoughts, so I gave my two cents... I got ripped off!
- It uses GTK2.
;) )
- It is officially supported on Windows, Linux, and Mac OS X.
Now if only I could figure out how to use it. (I have no graphics experience whatsoever.
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Well, I've been using the betas under both linux and windows for a month or so now, and I must say that this is a FANTASTIC improvement, which goes much deeper than just the improved UI.
Before this I used to use photoshop for much of my work, and Gimp for areas where I either needed the software on a machine that did not warrant a photoshop license, or to deal with alpha layers properly (which photoshop is terrible for). Photoshop is great for printing based people, but has some major miss-features for computer graphics use.
Gimp 2.0 however is much better than photoshop IMHO for many many jobs, although it is still just a bit lacking in the automation-of-tasks area.
Congratulations and Thanks to all the people involved in this fantastic piece of software!
Does it handle jpg EXIF data? At least by giving
you an option to save them when EXIF data were found
in the loaded image... Prior to 2.0, the EXIF data
where lost. I wonder how 2.0 behaves...
The screenshots look simply awsome.
Going to install that now.
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Still no proper CMYK support? I'll keep my Photoshop.
Thanks for Playing!
The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
the mac binary gimp.app is still prerelease 3. it isn't updated yet.
Evolution or ID?
Yeah, I will finally get to know how to use it eaither. These floating window schema was the dummiest thing ever. Well, actually now there is Sun LookingGlass... DIA could do the same,
Photoshop is definitely much better and more mature than the Gimp, but it comes with a $600 pricetag. The Gimp starts to become more of an option when you don't have to use some of the more intensive photoshop filters. (So people actually do pay for photoshop, enough-so that Adobe had some good earnings this quarter).
no reason to knock the gimp. It has an amazing cost to ability ratio.
Here is a formatting-free, cut-and-paste, hack job.
ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/gimp// g /l and / (web access)p /g /
http://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/software/gimp/gimp/ (web access)n ia/ r /i mp/
mmmmm.....karma...
Africa
ftp://ftp.is.co.za/applications/gimp/
Australia
http://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/gimp/ (web access)
ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/gimp/
http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/gimp/ (web access)
ftp://gimp.zeta.org.au/
Austria
ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/graphics/gimp/
Denmark
ftp://ftp.jaquet.dk/pub/gimp/
Finland
ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/sci/graphics/packages/gimp
France
ftp://ftp.minet.net/pub/gimp/
http://ftp.iut-bm.univ-fcomte.fr/pub/gimp/ (web access)
Germany
ftp://ftp.fh-heilbronn.de/pub/mirrors/ftp.gimp.or
ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/misc/grafik/gimp/
http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/misc/grafik/gimp/ (web access)
Greece
ftp://sunsite.ics.forth.gr/sunsite/pub/gimp/
Ire
ftp://ftp.esat.net/mirrors/ftp.gimp.org/pub/gimp/
http://ftp.esat.net/mirrors/ftp.gimp.org/pub/gimp
Japan
ftp://SunSITE.sut.ac.jp/pub/archives/packages/gim
ftp://ftp.u-aizu.ac.jp/pub/graphics/tools/gimp/
ftp://ftp.ring.gr.jp/pub/graphics/gimp/
http://www.ring.gr.jp/pub/graphics/gimp/ (web access)
http://mirror.nucba.ac.jp/mirror/gimp/ (web access)
ftp://mirror.nucba.ac.jp/mirror/gimp/
Korea
ftp://ftp.kreonet.re.kr/pub/tools/X11/ftp.gimp.or
Netherlands
ftp://gnu.kookel.org/pub/gimp/
http://gnu.kookel.org/ftp/gimp/ (web access)
ftp://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/software/gimp/gimp/
Norway
ftp://sunsite.uio.no/pub/gimp/
Poland
ftp://ftp.tuniv.szczecin.pl/pub/Linux/gimp/
ftp://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/graphics/gimp/
Roma
ftp://ftp.kappa.ro/pub/mirrors/ftp.gimp.org/
ftp://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/pub/mirrors/ftp.gimp.org
http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/ftp.gimp.org/ (web access)
Russia
ftp://ftp.sai.msu.su/pub/unix/graphics/gimp/mirro
http://gimp.tsuren.net/mirror/gimp/ (web access)
Spain
http://sunsite.rediris.es/mirror/gimp/ (web access)
ftp://ftp.rediris.es/mirror/gimp/
Sweden
ftp://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/gimp/
ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/gnu/gimp/
http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/gnu/gimp/ (web access)
Turkey
ftp://ftp.hun.edu.tr/pub/linux/gimp/
United Kingdom
ftp://ftp.flirble.org/pub/X/gimp/gimp/
ftp://unix.hensa.ac.uk/mirrors/ftp.gimp.org/pub/g
United States
ftp://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/gimp/
They finally introduced 16 colors and three new brush sizes!!!
The 2.0 pre-release has been in Debian unstable for awhile now and then it broke so I'm stoked that this should be fixed up soon.
I found it to be much easier to use in comparison with any of the old versions.
I had a dream that I woke up surrounded by windows floating around before my eyes. I knew what I wanted was in one of the windows -answer just on the tip of my tongue. As each window passed by, confusing icons flashed symbols -almost helping me figure it out.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon, Marshal of France - speaking truth to power
> Photoshop still rocks it
> You know it's true.
The GIMP is good value for money.
The code is freely available.
It depends on what exactly you are doing on whether or not Photoshop is good value for money. If your time is valuable then learning the GIMP user interface is just too expensive. The GIMP is more unlike Photoshop than almost all the commericial graphics applications. The GIMP develpers may really like the GIMP interface the way it is but if they want to reach the widest audience (I dont think they actually do) then they will have to make more of an effort to accomodate Photoshoph users.
I did a usability study of GIMP 1.3 running on Windows and most people who had Photoshop experience soon got the hang of it.
Finally they've added a menu onto each project window, but it is still lacking in one way, the number of entries on the window bar. Each tool dock creates its own entry which causes clutter. It should be possible to have one entry but who knows, maybe this isn't possible with current versions of GTK? Photoshop does this by having the dock windows within a container window.
Other minor niggles, the icons are much improved over v1.2 but I still find them a bit unclear. The knife icon for cropping resembles a brush and I don't really see how a drop of water represents Blur/Sharpen?
While I do like the new dock and the tabs, it's unusable if you resize the toolbox window into a very narrow strip. Meaning at the resolution I run at (1152x864) it takes up around a fifth of the screen width.
But it's much better than 1.2 anyway!!!
You could always draw straight lines with a minimum of trouble.
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For the same reason it dosn't serve web pages. It is not a drawing tool, it is an Image Manipulation Program. Not that I would mind if they addedd better drawing functionality.
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/gimp/development.ht ml
Unfortunately, they don't have GIMP 2.0 yet :(
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is it, at last, possible to simply draw lines or arcs ? It is pretty useful, so why do they snub such functionalities ?
This has always been possible. To draw a line, select a paintbrush or a pencil. Click on the start of the line, shift-click on the end of the line.
To draw a circle, use the circle selection tool, and then go to edit->stroke. To draw an arc, just draw the circle on a new layer, and erase the part you don't want.
See a need? Meet it your self. Don't wait for some mythical "someone else" to do it for you. RGB to CMYK conversion is pretty well known and shouldn't be that difficult to implement, IMHO.
"Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney
CinePaint (formerly known as FilmGimp) has been used in quite a few well known films and was forked from Gimp 1.x.
Link to CinePaint
can anyone offer a torrent file?
I'm a graphic artist and I use gimp and photoshop, along with opencanvas, illustrator and painter. They are all essential parts of my work. Gimp may not be as good as photoshop, but I use it for small effects because I like the look it achieves. It's kind of like using a ballpoint pen instead of a pencil. Sure, graphite pencils or quality brush pens are better, but the look of ballpoint can't be duplicated by anything else.
Really though, you probably don't really understand why photoshop is better than gimp to begin with. You probably like it because of the crappy filters and effects that come with it, but those are a total joke to anyone slightly professional. Everyone who is serious uses his own custom brushes and textures, and I use photoshop the most because of the power it has over brush controls (especially with my wacom tablet). Gimp still has it's place though, and it's an important one.
It's not just me, either. There are several other artists in my studio who use gimp all the time, too.
You've always been able to draw archs by using the path tool to make two points, bend the line and then stroke it - why does that sound so perverted?....
Here is the Windows version.
Unfortunatly only Gimp 1.2 aviable yet.
Does anybody know if it possible to 'record' ScriptFu Scripts automatically, now?
Wow love the new website! If you've not seen how bad (out of date) the old one was then give it a look. The website has finally updated to reflect the quality of the software.. now if only Glade's website would do the same my two favourite apps would have made themselves presentable to others.
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What kind of random blathering is this? It sounds like something a person would say if he were tripping on acid or something.
If Mr. Edison had thought smarter he wouldn't sweat as much. --Nikola Tesla
Photoshop still rocks it...
... but can you edit your last night's girl picture while running lopster and bittorrent? VMWare doen't count.
I agree with your arc comments, but...
1) The line drawing is nicer in photoshop because it gives you a better visual IMO.
2) The circle selection/stroking method works well in Gimp 1.3/2.0, but it didn't seem to give you very good quality on =1.2
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Photoshop Elements has more affordable $99 price tag.
The GIMP still has a very long way to go to match Photoshop Elements let alone the full Photoshop.
The GIMP makes a whole lot of things possible,
shame it makes it so damned awkward.
GIMP 2.0 and still no easy to use Red-Eye removal tool, sure you can do it the hard way but you shouldn't have to which is exactly what is wrong with the GIMP.
And so does the entire studio where I work. Our primary paint tool is a fork of Gimp as well, and we're doing feature work.
With Gimp 2.0, the interface stops sucking, and a lot of barriers fall away.
GIMP for Windows
FAQ | Stable version | Development version | Source code | ] Installers for GIMP for Windows Development version download
This is the development version of The Gimp. It will open a console (MS-DOS) window when it's run to display debugging messages. Do not close this window.
It is highly recommended to update GTK2 to the newest version before installing Gimp 2.0pre4, as some bugs have been fixed since the last release.
Note: The Gimp binary available from this page was compiled for Pentium MMX or better CPUs.
GTK+ 2 for Windows (version 2.2.4-20040124) 3619 kB GTK+ 2 runtime environment. This package is required by The Gimp 2.0.
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Warning: both these plug-ins are considered unstable.
Note: Due to a problem with the GTK+ installer, the FreeType plug-in will not work, unless you copy the file freetype-6.dll to freetype6.dll in C:\Program Files\Common Files\GTK\2.0\bin\ folder.
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If you wish to compile plug-ins for use with this Gimp version, you can get the development files here.
Development version download This is the development v
Good luck on taking it to the next level.
Thanks.
Liberty.
This piece of crap crashes on Windows for no reason
;-)
Tried it, blew it off. Highly unrecommended.
Yeah, Windows has that tendency. Glad to see you've decided to switch to another OS.
"Tell me doctor, with all of your defenses, are there any provisions for an attack by killer bees?"
While there is a patch available for sane to make it work with gimp 2.0, it hasn't been merged into the main source tree for sane, so if you don't install packages manually by compiling from source, you _still_ can't use your scanner directly from the Gimp.
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This is some incredibly exciting news! I am over there, downloading this right now, as I write, in another window. First, I'm going to install it on my Linux tower, and then, I'll take it to work and put it on all those poor computers that have to execute that software from Brand "X" (er, Brand "XP").
It is the first stable release that is officially supported not only on Unix-based operating systems, but also on Microsoft Windows and Macintosh OS X.
That's like saying that it's supported not only on Windows, but on Windows 98. Mac OS X IS a Unix based operating system.
Does it support ICC profiles? This is something that's really important to me. My old version of Adobe has a tendancy to crash when printing >100MB images, so I've resorted to tweaking in photoshop and printing in Gimp... but it'd be nice to do it all in Gimp.
You quitting proves that the karma kap worked. The most annoying of the whores shut up. --CmdrTaco
First the Windows source gets leaked, and now all of a sudden every major OSS project suddenly supports the platform.
What a coincidence.
Photoshop still rocks it
No doubt to mask the pronounced adam's apple and large knuckles that didn't seem nearly as apparent when s/he approached after the third beer.
"The 32-bit per channel color capacity of CinePaint appeals most to cinematographers and professional still photographers. However, CinePaint is a general-purpose tool useful for working on images for motion pictures, print, and the Web. CinePaint supports many file formats, conventional formats such as JPEG, PNG, TIFF, and TGA images -- and more exotic motion picture digital intermediate formats such as Cineon and OpenEXR."
CinePaint has deep paint (32 bit per channel), for the movie industry this is a killer feature and they just cannot afford to wait for the GIMP to sort out GEGL and add it, they have work to do and they need it now.
CinePaint also has good support for the specialised file formats that the movie industry needs and the GIMP does not yet have those features.
CinePaint has a clear userbase and clear goals, and it knows exactly what priorities it has and if others find CinePaint useful too so much the better but it is upfront about the fact that it is not for everyone. CinePaint will be around for a very long time because it aims to do one thing well.
The GIMP just doesnt' have that same clarity of focus and direction. Exactly who is the GIMP designed for, the benifit of its own developers it seems.
I don't think XMMS is being actively developed, they release a bugfix or so every blue moon.
Someone should pick it up and whip up a GTK2 version though, if just for sanity's sake.
"Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie." -Tori Amos on Nine Inch Nails
adobe raw coverter is based upon dcraw:
http://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw/
Thanks for the link - I've been looking for an installer for gimp-1.3 on windows for ages! Just tried it out and it works brilliantly - the GTK-2 installer even comes with a theme that has a Windows look-and-feel (don't know if this is a good thing or not :)
I think since a lot of GNU/Linux/GPL software is porting to Windows systems, people will eventually realize that it is coming from a good source. And in time, people might actually decide to adapt to that source, instead of waiting for the software to come to them.
Besides, in the real world, don't you usually get more when you go for something, instead of waiting for it to come to you?
"Instant gratification takes too long." - Carrie Fisher
Have you given rhythmbox a try?
I'd like to point out that for the price of Photshop (which is a very good program) you can get Photoshop+Gimp. So why put down the GIMP?
automated red-eye removal is a fart in the wind. don't be such a poon and just airbrush it in
YOU SUCK BALLS!
it will be Garbage?
This isn't meant to be a troll or flame-bait, so forgive me if it sounds like it. The artists in your studio along with yourself probably all at least make a living at what you do because the work that is done is decent to exemplary. Without having ever seen your work, that I am aware of, I would wager that it is some good stuff since you obviously have an appreciation for the tools you work with. In my experience, people who appreciate all the tools available to them no matter what field they are in take the time to actually learn the tools that they use, and therefore do higher quality work. Kudos to you and the people you work with. Nice to see someone not being an elitist for a change about which tool or tools they think is superior to the others.
Xmms2 is supposed to be GTK2 but I don't know how off aways that is.
beep is pretty much a xmms fork that's Gtk2. Its not as refined as xmms (and there's no flac support) but I use it as my everyday multimedia player. I recommend if you build it, you use the cvs as thats way more up to date than the last release.
http://beepmp.sourceforge.net/
For the hard of thinking: not all software on Linux is free in either sense. Certainly not all software on Linux is free in the financial sense. If Photoshop were released for Linux (quite possible, really, considering that it runs on Mac and that's Unix), I have little doubt it will cost as much as Photoshop on any other platform.
One nice benefit of Photoshop for Linux would be that it might spur other software companies to release for Linux as well. Don't misunderstand, I like free software. I think the Gimp is great. But the availability of non-free software for Linux is a step in the right direction. Once most packages that people are used to using (Photoshop, MacroMedia Flash, Quickbooks and Quicken, etc) are available for Linux more people will be using it. As a consiquence there will be spillover benefit for the free software development. A larger OS userbase definately has its plus points.
"Mission Accomplished" -- George W. Bush May 1, 2003
Unfortunately, OS X does not support (heck, even have) MDI. It's interface is mostly floating windows (unless the software supports tabs). I'm not sure about Linux, as I haven't used it in years.
They have to keep the interface somewhat uniform.
Flac (and musepack, and some other plugins) are in the bmp extra plugins package. http://freshmeat.net/projects/bmp-extra-plugins
Why is this rated -1 redundant? I think it's a valid point.
.psd files, so it should be able to read in photoshop elements files. that's pretty cool.
I think photoshop elements is pretty good and it doesn't trash the gimp to compare the two.
I have a canon scanner and it came free with photoshop elements which works on my mac. I don't know if gimp could invoke the canon scanner driver.
By the way, don't blow $99 on photoshop element because it comes free with canon scanners like the lide-50 which I believe is $99. It might even come with cheaper scanners, but I don't know.
It's almost as powerful as photoshop (I don't know what the differences really are), and it could complement the gimp.
It has some interesting features for beginners... dialogs to help correct certain problems with images and so forth.
Actually, I noticed the gimp can read
I'll agree with that.
Every time that there is a post about a gimp upgrade on slashdot, the posts degenerate into photoshop vs. gimp debates.
Seriously, who cares? Some of us don't run windows, and every version of Photoshop after 8 or so doesn't run worth a crap in Wine; so we use what works best in Linux, which is Gimp. Windows users can use Photoshop. Sure, it's better in a lot of ways - I won't argue that - but you use the best tool you have. Personally I will never have another windows installation on my systems, for many reasons. So.... Gimp for me. It works for what I do (texture creation for 3d models).
I'd like to see a post on
So much to ask?
SB
It's old. The more humans I meet, the more I like my cats. At least they are honest.
> copying photshop is also why there's no shape draw tool.
Adobe Photoshop Elements definately includes simple drawing tools.
Adobe Photoshop CS also has simple drawing tools and Photoshop seems to have had them in earlier versions since at least Photoshop 7.
It is long overdue for the GIMP to listen to users and add simple drawing tools. Four years was far too long to go without a stable release. The GIMP 2.0 would have made a bigger impact two years ago but it is just too little too late, but hopefully they can get their act together and GIMP 3.0 will really impress.
If they make it possible to turn off anti-aliasing on the lines and make it easy to snap to angles (22.5 degrees) then the GIMP might just get itself artists who like doing Pixel-Art style graphics and it would make the GIMP usable for drawing small but detailed icons.
You're wasting your time when you could be doing more productive things which would help you create your websites more quickly instead of worrying about 1k or so in a jpeg
Variable compression(controlled by a mask) allows you to crank up the compression on low detail areas and use much finer compression at important parts, such as the edges of UI elements where compression artifacts would be noticed immediately. It can yield enormous savings, much greater than 1kB, and solves the #1 problem with JPEG- it's not dynamic and does NOT handle edges well.
Furthermore, even 1kB can have substantial cost savings for a client. If they get 1 million hits a day, they most certainly care about 1kB, because that's roughly $2-3/day in bandwidth charges. That's a thousand bucks a year, which pays for a whole lot of time for a graphics designer to squeek every last kilobyte out of an entire site's worth of images. Why do you think people install mod_gzip on servers to compress HTML? Why do you think many sites strip down the headers Apache sends in requests?
It's ok, we have broadband (or 56k modems at the very worst).
a)most people do NOT have broadband, b)56k modems typically get around 33.6kbps at best(22kbps is not uncommon for some folks out in the middle of nowhere), which works out to around 4.2kB/sec. If I knock 5kB off an image, you'll see it a second faster.
Please help metamoderate.
... is the gimp.org server at the moment. ;-)
And that somehow makes it equal? Does it have:
What takes me about 10-20 seconds in Photoshop's RAW plugin takes someone with dcraw about 10 minutes of endless "try these settings, save the file, check in GIMP" cycles; god forbid you should try and do any color-correction. I change any parameter, I see it 1-2 seconds later.
Please help metamoderate.
(I'm the parent graphic artist again)
Any good artist knows that quality rendering is usually done with multiple tools. I haven't used "just photoshop" or "just painter" since my first year at art school. Each program has something unique to offer, even if it seems like they have the same tools. Honestly, I don't use gimp because I'm supporting some sort of movement, I use it because I like what I can achieve with it.
> Actually, I noticed the gimp can read .psd files, so it should be able to read in photoshop elements files. that's pretty cool.
I can tell you right now that the GIMP 2.0 cannot correctly open all the example PSD files that are included with Photoshope Elements 2.0 and with the sampel TIFf files you will get error message but the images will still load.
The omission in Photoshop elements that annoys me most is that it does not support grouped layers. When someone expects you to work with Photoshop document containing 40 small layers that were actually nicely grouped into 4 categories but then you have to deal with all the individual layers agian it is really really annoying.
The GIMP 2.0 doesn't do grouped layers either.
Fink is still showing a version 1.XXX
Hopefully they will get it updated to 2 soon..
Primary differences between elements 2.0 and Photoshop 7 - no CMYK support, no lasso marquees (you have the quick mask mode of PS 7 basically) - Elements has a handy tool for making panoramics that isn't included in its more expensive cousin.
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No body
try beep-media-player it is a gtk2 fork of xmms.
ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/users/drc
You'll need lcms AND liblcms to go with it (if you use rpmfind.net, get liblcms-1.11-2.i686.rpm, since the Mandrake liblcms1-1.10-1mdk.i586.rpm will conflict with the lcms package from littlecms.com)
MSIE: The world's most standards-complaint web browser.
Or, bandwidth doesn't cost that much, at least not where I will likely buy my next server.
1,000,000 hits/day = 365,000,000 hits/year @ 1kb/ea =
365 GB.
I can transfer 365 GB for as little as $25.19. Alternately, this is $0.07 a day.
So yes, you are probably wasting your time.
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Well, the new dockable interface makes the floating windows a bit saner, and easier to deal with. I prefer Photoshop's MDI, but since I'm not about to reboot to do some graphics for my website, I'll deal with the simpler new Gimp UI. It's lightyears better (looking, and operating) than Gimp 1.2
It lives up to it's name: http://www.sanspoint.com
if shift-clicking on the canvas with one of half a dozen tools isnt simple then youre mentally retarded. if you want a simpler way to draw a line use MSpaint or a pencil and a ruler.
By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth. -- George Carlin
When I ./configure I get an error, and then when I search the directory for configure, it's missing. Am I missing something?
When will someone come up with a free package that is usable for those who need to do graphics for print?
Although I suspect the real issue here would be getting the manufacturers of big $$$ printing presses, imagesetters and other output devices to allow said software to use the conversion tables that allow you to match a given RBG screen color to the right CMYK color for their device.
If you prefer Adobe to Gimp, that's great too... buy it and use it. Judge the tradeoffs in cost and functionality for yourself and choose the best tool for you.
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support for something as basic as color profiles.
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if you're even into amateur printing, use QImage.
It puts all other image printing software to shame both in flexibility and technical superiority. It's interpolator is fantastic. And of course it supports monitor and printer profiles. Cheap, too (well worth the registration fee)
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You've obviously not used Photoshop 8.0 (Creative Suite). Alpha works great. It's been out for 6 months; the fact that you've not seen it casts serious doubt on your claim of being a "porfessional" that produces live television graphics systems.
And to your comment about CMYK being only for prepress, I say this: If you plan on doing any sort of printed work (newsletter, flyers, posters, magazine graphics), GIMP is completely useless without CMYK.
Using GIMP instead of Photoshop to do print work is like being a Carpenter, and using your fist instead of a hammer. Yeah, it's "free", and you may eventually get some nails into the piece of wood, but is it really the best use of your time and energy?
Likewise, you could take RGB files to your Print Shop, and either be laughed out of the building, or have it end up looking like complete ass.
Gimp 2.0 may be a milestone, but it's by no means a complete, professional-level application by any stretch.
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And does photoshop still have broken alpha, there it tried to use a non-standard tiff layer to represent what 100% of other software places in a standardised alpha layer?
Answer--no.
Congratulations for getting clueless mods on your side, though.
It appears that the wxWidgets wxMDI* classes are supported on OSX as they generally note when they're not present in one of the ports.
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The only thing it will have in common with xmms is the name.
I think you ment to do this: Gimp 2.0.0 Torrent
So basically you have no insight here or have even used Gimp 2.0. You just felt like being a troll?
I swear Adobe users are some of the biggest Trolls I've met on the Net. Everywhere I go where someone dares to mention an alternative, the Adobe trolls freak out and show up in massive numbers to diss anything non-Adobe. If it wasn't cmyk it would just be some other thing.
Why can't you Photoshop snobs just accept the fact that Gimp is a decent image editor that differs from Photoshop and leave it at that. Why are you so freaking insulted that non-Adobe products are available? You have stock in Adobe or something?
Gimp is certainly the best Free image editor available and for home users it will do anything you could possibly want, especially when it comes to digital photography.
But then again I guess I'm just wasting my breath.
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Where did 16-bit color modes go? 8 bit is just ain't enough for digital photography anymore.
Funny story, awhile back I tried to make a complete change over to Open Office. I had refused to install any MS Office related app on my (Windows) PC for some time, but finally found myself needing to do some equation editing as well as some Excel compatible work, so I figured Open Office would be the way to go.
Long story short, loved the equation editor, and only one issue popped up.
On three seperate computers running three different versions of Windows (ME, 2K, XP), Open Office was unable to correctly print out mathematical equations from any of them.
After two days of trouble shooting I was forced to ditch OO and go with Word.
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I personaly work in a professional setting and I use Photoshop on a daily basis and Know it like the back of my hand, But I personaly prefer GIMP's effets filters to the base effect filters that come with Photoshop (currantly using PS7).
When working in a fast paced high number of images situation though GIMP can't compete and that's when the $600.00 price tag becomes acceptable. If you don't need the features offered by Photoshop over GIMP, by all means use the GIMP, don't wast your money on something you won't use.
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Seriously this is great news as I think the Gimp is the killer app for Tux.
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Because it's better than Tk. And Motif.
No, it doesn't match every feature, or almost. Without the functionality of Access, the database component of office, OpenOffice is severely limited for business use. The "big three" are spreadsheet, word processing, and database. By that measure, Open Office is about 66% competition, even if you give it full points for the other two (and I don't - it's pig slow compared to MS products, which is a serious usability problem.)
Back to Access: The attempt to layer MySQL or PostgreSQL underneath a partial (no, not partial - let me say "lame", instead) GUI doesn't even fractionally approach what can be done with Access. PgAccess isn't workable either - almost every feature it has is buggy or outright broken (both the recent update and the previous version which laid fallow for all that time.)
Mind you, I'm not saying MySQL or PostgreSQL aren't strong, but they're unusable for your typical end-user. Access is almost as accessible as a spreadsheet, yet incredibly powerful, a strength that it achieves through a synergy of no more than a mediocre underlying database engine overlaid by an incredibly powerful UI.
When (if) the UI functionality of Access is layered over something like PostgreSQL, then we'll have something considerably better than Access. I truly look forward to the day - I'd rather not be forced to continually turn back to Access to solve user's problems in a reasonable amount of time.
I readily take your point about other applications as long as you don't use OpenOffice as your example - there are some superb graphics editors, some with features far, far beyond anything Photoshop can do out there. For instance, Paintshop Pro's brush handling is far superior to Photoshop (if you haven't used "Tubes", you just aren't having any fun) WinImage's geometric layer modes are wicked cool, QFX is definitely worth a look, GIMP's power/cost ratio is absolutely unbeatable, and so on.
Readers of this post should know: I write code for WinImages. I make no claim to be free of bias. :)
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Photoshop also supports color management through and through- GIMP never has out of the box and never will, because there's no such thing as color management under linux
Not true. Color management in Linux is in its infancy, but it's not nonexistent.
But Color Management is the reason I won't be switching to Gimp 2 anytime soon. Frankly, ANY photo editing software is useless without CM, and I doubt that the Color Manager Plug-in for The Gimp will be revamped any time soon to work with Gimp 2.
So until I see some serious effort to support Color Management by Gimp's developers, I'll be sticking to Photoshop and Gimp 1.2, thank you. And yes, I use both.
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Analogies don't equal equalities, they are merely somewhat analogous.
But yeah, any user with really high demands on image editing would want photoshop, because it has 16-bit support, better color tools, etc.
Python-fu sounds sweet. I love Python. First-class functions in a programming language with quick and dirty syntax.
Efforts are also being made in providing a stable application bundle of the Gimp for OS X.
It is still being tested, but works fine for me:http://gimp-app.sourceforge.net
It requires only Apple's X11 to be installed.
I found it hard to find the relevant menus in Gimp. But I also found it hard to find the relevant window to change something in Photoshop, where you have lots of opened tool windows, which most of the time don't do anything because you haven't selected anything relevant. Maybe image manipulation and drawing really requires a lot of skills to create an interface which does the easy stuff but also allows complex manipulations.
The only program I came to terms with was IRIS Showcase, but that is mostly a vector/object program. I liked the way you could group/raise/lower parts of the graphics. It sure was quicker than dragging all those layers around in Photoshop with the mouse.
Also what happened to Paintshop ?
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Ah-ha! Of course! Being free software, there are plently of mirrors, here's one for th ukm p/
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http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.gimp.org/pub/gi
PS: why does
Windows is only $500 if your time is worthless.
In other news, yesterday i was presented with a Powerpoint-File which MS Office refused to edit. (Fatal Error or something...)
So after much troubleshooting i fired up OpenOffice and it worked like a charm.
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I tried sodipodi for windows a few times, and every single time it crashed and burned badly, I lost all I had done *every*single*time*. Needless to say, I'm never using that bad piece of software again.
Haven't tried it on linux. I only run linux on my servers and my laptop, and I don't to graphics stuff on my laptop.
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photoshop don't run on Linux without WINE, which into itself is a pain in the ass.
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I did, and just couldn't get used to it.
If it's a patent issue, it can't (legally) be put into the gimp AT ALL before the patent expires. Doing so would violate the copyright and/or the patent. This explains why it hasn't been done yet.
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Users of SuSE 9.0 can get pre-built packages from usr-local-bin.org.
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Could anyone recommend a good tutorial for photo touch-up using the GIMP? Everything I have found so far is for Photoshop. Being a newbie in both the photography and GIMP departments, and having never used Photoshop at all, it's quite hard to translate Photoshop advice to GIMP (it seems the terminology used by the two tools does not overlap too much).
I use photoshop, but only for the ability to cut things out of one photo and paste it into another, then you can do all sorts of amusing things like these guys: www.b3ta.com.
Does the Gimp have this feature?
Note: Number 9 below is especially cool if you have an investment in Photoshop-plugins.
From:http://members.home.nl/m.weisbeek/gimp/
Have to disagree there, I use spreadsheets a *lot* (finance geek) and find OO much faster than Excel. Is there an objective comparison/test somewhere?
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Speaking as a huge fan of the GIMP, I have to agree with this point. I really don't like GTK2 either. But, I haven't seen the fancy new file selector yet, so maybe that will help me change my mind.
Just because someone says they don't like something it doesn't make them a troll.
You know Photoshop 6 and 7 run under Wine?
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See here: http://www.frankscorner.org/
(links to 'tutorials' on the right side)
According to the Wine application database Adobe Illustrator 10 also works:
http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId
YMMV though...
If you really want try paying a GIMP developer to implement it.
If you feel you cant aford to pay $ XXX checkout mailing lists to see if any one is also interested in this, and share the cost.
(Just a idea... o! This is one of the good things with Free/(Open Source) software)
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There is talk about having gimp support it in the future, but it's a big undertaking. Sorry to sound like a troll, but in the meanwhile Gimp will be little more than a toy.
48 bit RGB is supported natively by the PNG and TIFF images formats and many RAW files created by almost every recent scanner or digital camera. It's a shame to have hardware which creates images you cannot fully use.
Non-Linux Penguins ?
Especially its path tool is really, really useful.
I'm using the 2.0pre4 version for two weeks now. I wanted to have a unique background image and my image drew me a "grim reaper tux" which I'm now coloring with the GIMP. The path tool makes this a whole lot easier, especially when deciding that some details of the form are not as I'd like them to be: you can then just throw away the layer with the outline and with the filling, tweak the path a bit and redraw the two thrown away layers in a few seconds.
The path tool now allows you to specify which tool to use when "stroking" the path, so I used a fuzzy brush... you could even use an elliptical brush or pen here. And you can get a selection from the path, which you can even combine/intersect which other paths.
The picture I'm working on is not completed yet but I've made preview available.
Getting the GIMP to compile correctly is a really hard though... I'm not going to repeat that loooong list of dependencies here, but you have to watch out sometimes. I guess it was the GTK+ 2.3.5 where I had to explicitly enable XInput to get my Wacom tablet to get recognized by the GIMP, and somewhere else I had to explicitly enable Xft or something like that...
But the new GIMP is a heavy improvement to the 1.3.x series, mainly from a GUI point of view, as the GIMP's drawing qualities where already quite good, IMHO (but then, I'm a programmer, not an artist ;-).
gimp is nice, but the scripts in the image manipulation menu just keep crashing... it's frustrating.
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Are you serious? Have you ever used it more than 5 minutes? I don't need the stupid wallpaper distracting me or mixing colours in my view when I'm working on a piece of grafic. The MDI interface is just fine as it is. Sure, it's not standard, but it's the best suited for the job. Actually, I wish Photoshop would behave more like Program Manager and have icons for minimized windows, instead of the windows borders.
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You know it's true.
I don't believe that the GIMP is intended to replace Photoshop. At least not yet.
Adobe has been in the game for a LONG time. There are so many Mac only graphics shops out there that it'll be a LONG time before the GIMP is a real threat.
As I understand it, Photoshop's filters and color seperation are why it's still the top dog. When the GIMP's color seperation is up to snuff, that'll be a huge help. Also if (and I know it's a big IF) they can make the GIMP binary compatible with Photoshop's filters, then I think you'll see some people migrating away from Photoshop. But until that day, Adobe'e flagship product is quite safe...
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Features are one thing. Freedom is another. This is not just evangelisation : Adobe has modified Photoshop so that you cannot work on bank notes. There is nothing that would prevent them from forbidding you to do other things. They control what you can do with the software, that's as simple as that.
This is a matter of choice between features and freedom, but I'll take freedom, thank you.
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Uh, sorry, it looks like the 'XMMS2' project isn't really at all related to the original XMMS, they may have swiped the code and started reworking it for GTK2, but it doesn't look like they'll ever actually release anything. The project doesn't appear to have released any files, is run by one guy, and has been listed in 'alpha-quality' for a long time now.
Ahh, there also appears to be another XMMS2 project, hosted by the XMMS developers, that project has very little code to show right now and is plannning a 'what features do we want' meeting IN AUGUST 2004. They'lll be building a winamp3 clone, I guarantee it, it'll be overkill.
I'm not a developer, but it can't be rocket science to port something like XMMS to GTK2, can it? I think that people are probably trying to throw in a bazillion new features (non-square windows, transparency, arbitrary button shapes/locations, etc.) and it's keeping a simple port from happening.
I've been using XMMS since 1999, and people have been wanting a GTK2 version for at least two years. Projects like 'beep' are cool, but I think they're a bit overkill, I just want a dirt-simple winamp2 clone, but I'd like it to be built against modern libraries so I don't have to install a whole slew of libs just for my simple media player.
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Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
I'd like to see a post on /. where it didn't degenerate into the "this or that is better" arguements but where Gimp users shared their tips and tricks more.
Here's a tutorial I wrote a couple years ago. http://www.halley.cc/ed/linux/multexp/
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But Photoshop 7 runs under Crossover Office 2.1 really well, and doesn't require all the pains as wine. You can set Crossover to show the open with crossover in your rightclick menu for .exe files and it's pretty much the same as on Windows.
I only have 2 complaints with the Gimp:
1. No CMYK support built in. I install from RPMS, so compiling the plugin into the source is out. Plus, I'm not real good with that.
2. The disjointed windows. One poster a little up the page made a comment about that. Why can't we have it so that if you bring one of the windows to the front they all come up, and always give the image window the focus?
Ife we could have both of these taken care of, the Gimp would quickly pass Photoshop.
And, by the way, I am a professional Graphic Designer, so I know what I'm talking about.
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Projects like 'beep' are cool, but I think they're a bit overkill, I just want a dirt-simple winamp2 clone
Methings you're a bit confused here.
Beep basically IS the no-frills, no-overkill port of winamp2-style xmms1 to gtk2, it doesn't have a shitload of new features, and it has released a working player for quite a some time. They're almost at 1.0 point by now.
Considering that it's the one of biggest gripes shitload of people had about Linux for a looooong time, "Better fonts" is a HUGE difference all by itself. It'd warrant GTK2 even if there was nothing else.
It's also quite a bit nicer to program with.
I wonder if gimp would open framemaker files, or if there is some other linux tool that would allow me to work with framemaker projects.
lcms is in Fedora Stable. No need to go for third party RPM's.
Yum doesn't seem to find it for some reason, though, weird.
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I admit I haven't tried gimp in a year or two, but one of the biggest hurdles that kept me from adopting gimp was the fact that I couldn't use the pressure sensitivity of my wacom tablet with it under windows.
I looked on the site and couldn't see anything saying that it works now. can anyone tell me if it works now? if so, i'll definitely give it a shot now.
I don't need to dig. I already know. I've created numerous large Access apps (also PostgreSQL apps.) You're 100% wrong. Access allows text fields of hundreds of characters, and if that's not long enough, you can use a memo type, which allows many K per field. The forms editor and report system handles these fields too, they can be queried, etc - in short, there are no such limitations as those you refer to. Your post is nothing but misinformation.
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And I just finished installing GIMP 1.2 on MacOSX! (Fink 0.6.2's idea of requiring X11 SDK to recognize X11.app's existence was just plain weird...)
Actually, just as I walked home from the university I was hoping Slashdot would have actually interesting stories today, like, GIMP 2.0's release or something like that. Wow. A pretty good coincidence... =)
The last few 2.0pre versions have been pretty damn good, at least on Linux, and these are really a great leap forward from 1.2. Many things I always found slightly frustrating have been fixed. Even one feature I long ago wished would be incorporated is there. (Initialize a new layer mask to grayscale copy of the layer.)
I haven't used 2.0 that much yet, but I hope they have also managed to get there the rock-like stability of 1.2 series. Well, the 2.0pres have only crashed for me once so far... =)
I would really like to know who these people are you mod down the slightest criticism - not matter how well deserved.
I was criticising the GIMP people for keeping their crappy interface model - and you call it FLAMEBAIT when I am putting forward an honest criticism? EXCUSE ME? Right now you're acting like microsoft! "He criticised us! we're always right! SILENCE HIM!"
Fortunately when I do OSS/FS projects I LISTEN to my end users and give them what they want.
If you cannot keep politics out of your moderation remove yourself from the Mod Lottery.. NOW!
I posted a link to a machine I own some time back. Reading the access logs from that site at the time does not support your statement.
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Forms and tables: I have apps with many tables, and many forms. All kinds. Forms with subforms, vanilla forms, forms with bound script actions, forms with macros, forms that invoke external programs - it's easy to do, and more to the point, trying to do this kind of thing in Open Office is much more difficult, if even possible in the first place. PgAccess tries to get some of this handled, but it's so fragile, it typically blows out in the first few minutes of use - you can't use something like that for anything that people depend upon..
It is not only "dead easy" to create forms and tables in Access, it is also dead easy to create queries, reports, scripted actions, macros, relationships... etc., make it all look good, and make it work smoothly together. That's Access's schtick: It's dead easy. That's my point. Linux needs a "dead easy" database system the end user can fiddle with and get somewhere significant.
Here's where I am coming from: I have written Access apps that generate websites, manage large HTML documentation systems, manage several gigs of genealogy data (and generate genealogy websites) handled businesses from order taking to accounting to live stock interaction on e-commerce sites to stock management, not to mention a bunch of trivial Access apps that I whipped out in a few hours. None of these efforts was ever stymied by any limitations of Access.
The point is, it should be just as easy to do this under Linux. Do it better, even. It is useful that these things were easy to accomplish under Windows, and hugely frustrating that they are not easy to accomplish under Linux.
Look, I'm a Linux fan. I really am. On my desktop, I use Linux, not Windows. I develop for both extensively. I'm replying to you using FireFox on a Redhat 9 system. I write all manner of stuff from graphics apps to database apps to Ai, Al, and assemblers. I know what I"m talking about here, and I'm not just writing for the sake of seeing my own characters on /. This is a real lack, and as long as no one steps up to the plate and solves the problem, MS Office has a killer solution that Linux does not. You can't argue it away, and waving your hands about and trumpeting broad (and completely inaccurate) generalities like "it can't do serious work" isn't going to do anything but delay the development of an Access killer app. for Linux if people believe the disinformation you are spreading. You're doing no one any favors with this kind of thing. The same thing goes for the person who posted that "Access can't handle more than 20 characters in a text field." When people make specific, but completely bogus claims to bolster their views in situations like this, they end up harming both themselves and the community.
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I was actually referring to startup time; I should have been more clear. OO takes forever to start. I don't know why. Excel starts instantly ( .5 second)
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Case in point: My company has many thousands of customers, garnered over about 19 years (I can't be more specific here, sorry.) We've sold under 100 different products in that time. There have always been less than 50 employees. And we use Access to manage everything, and have since Access 97 came out (I created the original database app for us, so I know this for a fact.) If you ask for your registration data, we'll have it for you as fast as we can type your name. If you want your purchasing history, ditto. Everything works fine. Really. And obviously, we're not the only ones who do this.
What this implies is not that Access is "no good", it implies that it has a solid place in user situations, even with its limitations. What I am saying is that Linux needs an office application with the featureset that Access offers (or better.) By all means, underlay it with PostgreSQL or MySQL or something similarly powerful. I would be delighted to see this. But until, and unless, this happens, Access will allow MS Office to take market share that Open Office cannot, by any means at all, take.
Someday, we (my company, I mean) will probably run into Access's limitations, because we're active and growing. If and when we do, I'll either hop to an Access compatible Linux solution that hopefully will have appeared by that time, or I'll write something custom that overlays PostgreSQL, most likely. I have the skills, it's just a matter of having the need - which is not presently there, because Access works just fine at this point.
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I know most people who use Photoshop have no idea of how to use adjustment layers, but I use them constantly and have trouble working without them.
:-(
Looks like I'm staying with Photoshop for now.
... is a "GIMP for Photoshop users" tutorial. A serious, thought through, extensive one, written by someone that is truly familiar with both. And oh, it should be totally honest too (this is *sorely* lacking). If the GIMP can't do something, or not do it as well, don't sweep it under the rug! If you know the limitations up front, you can take it into the calculation and everything is fine. To discover it in the middle of some big work...
I've known and worked with dozens and dozens of graphics artists that have tried the GIMP, I mean, really tried it, read the docs and experiemnted... at the end of the day (or week, as it may be) they always throw it away in disgust and say it is unusable. Myself, I'm not good with graphics, but I can still easily make a decent banner in Photoshop without reading a line of docs - in GIMP, no way.
Still, I do see people making amazing stuff with the GIMP, so I'm convinced it is us that are missing something - or at least, we don't have the time to learn that mindset that it takes the long way.
Since I do want to use OSS whenever viable, I hope that someone can provide this shortcut. It is in your interest too! I am however, not wasting another week of valuable and expensive time without that kind of shortcut.
Another idea that just occured to me is that a wiki with this theme would be absolutely awesome.
I hope you can help me.
Nice and well written. Thanks, particularly for the tutorial on removing things...
Cheers
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Neither did apt, hence my earlier post. Thanks for the heads-up.
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Unless your idea of digital photography is to look at point-and-shoot JPG shapshots, that is.
I'd think that this is exactly the idea that nine out of ten photographers have about it, which probably thus also form the vast majority of those people that use image processing software to edit their photos... So, is this segment somehow worthless?
Everyone who makes generalizations should be shot.
Yes, but it's much worse than GTK-1, IMHO.
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