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Warm Offices Boost Productivity

bluelip writes "It looks like the real reason for offshoring is corporations looking for warmer weather. Instead of paying the energy bills to crank up the heat in the office to a more productive temperature, the offices are moving to warmer areas. This article shows a 44% error reduction and 150% increase in productivity for those working in warmer offices. Will this increase in output be enough to convince my boss to pay for us to vacation-commute from a tropical island?"

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  1. Too warm? by Tomahawk · · Score: 4, Informative

    68F = 20C
    77F = 25C
    (for those of use that use Celcius)

    25C/77F is very warm. I prefer to work around 21C/70F. Any warmer than that and I'd be falling asleep. Certainly /my/ productivity goes way down when I'm asleep.

    T.

    1. Re:Too warm? by RangerRick98 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I'd think that warmer offices would lull a person to sleep easier than cooler offices. I'm often turning on the fans around my cube for just that reason. I mean, I don't want it so cold I'm shivering (I make enough typos as it is when my hands are fully under control), but generally I'd prefer to err on the side of colder rather than warmer.

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    2. Re:Too warm? by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I get tired faster when it's warm. Also, my contacts tend to start losing focus, which happens when I'm very tired - so I feel like sleeping.

      I work best when it's cooler - about 65-68. I also prefer a darker environment and plenty of rest. Since I'm a night owl, trying to force my sleep rhythm to match the office hours isn't very productive.

    3. Re:Too warm? by KDan · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, I agree too. That sounds like a totally stupid study. Maybe they should mention what sort of work they were doing. If the work was to collect drops of sweat in a bucket, then 25 would definitely be more productive. For programming, at 25 my brain slows down to zero and I keep on losing track of what I'm doing, and end up spending all my time browsing the web.

      It shouldn't be cold enough to shiver, but it definitely shouldn't be warm either!

      Daniel

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    4. Re:Too warm? by Tomahawk · · Score: 4, Informative

      Google does that all for you do.

      Do a Google search for
      'convert 77F to C'

      And it will convert almost everything as well.

      T.

    5. Re:Too warm? by turboflux · · Score: 1

      In the summer I perfer to work around 17C, during the winter 21C is pretty comfortable. Though, on really cold days I do turn my space heater on and cook myself for a couple of hours... that is, until everyone starts doing the same thing and we trip a breaker.

    6. Re:Too warm? by bitingduck · · Score: 1

      I prefer to work around 21C/70F. Any warmer than that and I'd be falling asleep.

      Yeah, I was about to write the same thing and it's already at the top. If it's sunny and I'm outside, 77F is ok, but inside an office at that temp and I may as well unroll the thermarest.

      In meetings it's especially true-- if it's any warmer than 70 it's really hard to stay awake.

    7. Re:Too warm? by francisew · · Score: 2, Funny

      In my lab it's often below 17C / 62F or above 27C / 80F.

      No wonder it takes us so long to graduate...

    8. Re:Too warm? by Frnknstn · · Score: 4, Informative

      They did, RTFA.

      The only type of 'work' they tested was typing. This does cause one to question the validity of the sweeping productivity statements made.

      Still, I definately work best at around 25deg C. The freezing office I work in makes my fingers to stiff to type properly.

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    9. Re:Too warm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      "77F in C" works as well

    10. Re:Too warm? by ishark · · Score: 1

      I definitely agree with you that 20-21 is a very good temperature....

      I wonder if they also had a look at relative humidity, which (for me) makes much more of a difference between a pleasant and an unbearable environment.

    11. Re:Too warm? by tambo · · Score: 5, Insightful
      For programming, at 25 my brain slows down to zero and I keep on losing track of what I'm doing, and end up spending all my time browsing the web.

      25 degrees C is uncomfortably warm if you're wearing a shirt and tie, or full battle gear (suit), as is typical of my law firm and many other professional groups.

      But 25 degrees C is damn perfect if you're wearing comfortable clothing, like shorts, a T-shirt, and flip-flops. By no coincidence, I'm most productive when I'm comfortable, which includes how I'm dressed.

      I hope that this starts a trend back to more casual dress. We were headed there in 1999, but the shock waves of the .com bust produced a backlash to heavy, formal clothing. Hopefully we can resurrect the previous trend.

      - David Stein

      --
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    12. Re:Too warm? by Zach+Garner · · Score: 1
    13. Re:Too warm? by majid_aldo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Any warmer than that and I'd be falling asleep. Certainly /my/ productivity goes way down when I'm asleep.

      you shouldn't feel sleepy if you get enough sleep in the first place.

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    14. Re:Too warm? by TykeClone · · Score: 1

      I like it when it's nice and cool in the room, but I have hot air from either a vent or an electric heater at my feet. Warm feet are happy feet!

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    15. Re:Too warm? by Larsie · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is completely counter-intuitive. Scandinavian employees are much more productive than their mediteranean counterparts.

      I myself prefer a temperature of 15 degrees Celsius.

    16. Re:Too warm? by TykeClone · · Score: 1

      No problem - just plug it into the red "UPS Protected" outlets. That way you're not competing against everyone else for juice on the same circuit :)

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    17. Re:Too warm? by John+Harrison · · Score: 1

      They should have gone for 86F/30C as well. Just to see if turning off the air conditioner in a warm climate is worse than not turning up the heater in cold one.

    18. Re:Too warm? by david.given · · Score: 5, Funny
      And it will convert almost everything as well.

      > CONVERT LEAD INTO GOLD

      Definition of convert - WordReference.com Dictionary...

      Darn. And I thought Google could do everything.

    19. Re:Too warm? by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      The difference is that you have to type too many things. And you get only one conversion at once (although for temperature, it is not a problem). On the page I linked to, you click in the right box and you just have to type the temperature '77'. Two keystrokes... A little more efficient.

      Not even counting that with other units (length, etc...) you have a result instantly in EVERY unit.

    20. Re:Too warm? by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      In what aspect is google better (I mean, apart from the fact that everyone knows the website)?

    21. Re:Too warm? by dOoDuStInK · · Score: 3, Insightful

      2 comments

      1. Honeywell, top maker of vac units and controls recommends temperatures of 76-78 degrees for low-activity office environments; check out the website they offer a very handy climate tool. This is also right on keel with the energy department's guidelines.
      2. How many of the people complain that this is too warm:
      a. are overweight, or
      b. smoke, or
      c. drink warm beverages and not the recommended 8 glasses of water a day, or
      d. have high blood pressure, or
      e. feel sleepy because they aren't getting the recommended 7-9 hours of sleep at night, or
      f. not interested in what they are doing enough to stay awake.

      It's a darn shame that healthy, wealthy, and wise people who have a controlled and healthy life need to be concerned with too cold at work and suffer because of any combination above.

    22. Re:Too warm? by NardofDoom · · Score: 1
      Same here. I get in the office at 8, but can't focus on anything for at least two hours, even with coffee.

      You'd think waking up at 6:30 every day would make me tired, but I have no trouble staying up till 1 every night.

      And forcing myself to go to bed at 10 or 11 doesn't make a difference. I'm tired in the morning anyway, and just as productive.

      And I usually wear sunglasses at work because I can't stand the lights.

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    23. Re:Too warm? by Yartrebo · · Score: 1

      I usually prefer the other way around. In summer when I'm always wearing shorts and tee shirts, I like it warm and in the winter, when I usually wear pants and sweat shirts, I like it cooler.

      I guess it's a good thing because I don't get that much control over temperature, especially in the summer. It usually ranges from around 50 Farenheit after a long winter night (daytime is much warmer, perhaps 70) to around 100 Farenheit after a long summer afternoon during a heat wave and with the computers on. 60 to 90 is my comfort range, so long as I dress appropriately.

    24. Re:Too warm? by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 1

      I hope that this starts a trend back to more casual dress. We were headed there in 1999, but the shock waves of the .com bust produced a backlash to heavy, formal clothing. Hopefully we can resurrect the previous trend.

      I just read your post, and I agree completely.
      Not to brag, but I'm in a group that couldn't care less about ties and jackets, and productivity is great.

      Of course, I'm in my bathrobe, as I telecommute.
      Oh, and I can set the thermostat to whatever I want.
      And read slashdot during compiles.

      You know, now that I look at it, I guess I am just bragging. Cheers!

    25. Re:Too warm? by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

      "all for you too"

      The temperature must be too low as I made a typo. :)

      T.

    26. Re:Too warm? by mmkkbb · · Score: 1

      no topless beaches in scandinavia!

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    27. Re:Too warm? by tambo · · Score: 1
      Try to have a bit of decorum and class when dressing for the office, even if the dress code is very liberal.

      Have you never seen nice shorts and a knit polo? It's possible to good, evn professional, in comfortable, warm-weather clothing.

      - David Stein

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    28. Re:Too warm? by theendlessnow · · Score: 1
      They did, RTFA.

      I'm tired and this is /. so... you read the article and post your write up so it makes the front page and make sure you give it a catchy title, otherwise, I'll just fall asleep.

    29. Re:Too warm? by merdark · · Score: 1

      man + shorts cannot possibly look professional, and flip flops?

      Please.

    30. Re:Too warm? by freqres · · Score: 1

      I find I'm much more productive when I can where shorts and nothing else. I don't get nearly as many people interrupting me when they can see just how hairy my body is. ;)

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    31. Re:Too warm? by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1
      Wouldn't it be nice if businesses that want people to work 10 hours a day would build good fitness facilities for employees? That way it would save the employee some time from an already overworked, overstressed environment. As well, it would help eliminate things like overweight employees, it would help reduce blood pressure in many people who need to, help people's sleep patterns, make them more alert. The warm beverages are usually caffeinated to help overcome fatigue from not sleeping well, and being overweight.

      It is generally recognized that fit employees are more productive for the company. So why don't employers get their heads out of their asses and encourage and invest in something like this. In fact, if they had fit employees, they would likely only need them to work 8 hours a day, or less. Investing in something like this might cost less than turning up the heat in the long run, considering increasing heating costs, and considering the increased output from the workers that would be achieved.

      As well, I find that when I am working out, I usually don't need the heat turned up as much as when I am not working out. Just me, but when my metabolism is at a higher level, so is my ability to maintain body heat.

      America has the highest productivity in the world. However, it also works the most hours, and in my books at least, means that it doesn't enjoy life as much as it should. I have lived down here the last 5 years, and like America. But everything can be improved, and saying so doesn't make me a malcontent.

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    32. Re:Too warm? by SeanDuggan · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I work in an office, but with engineers, so the dress code is, of course, fairly relaxed. No use in wearing nice slacks and a white shirt if you might spend half of your day squeezing behind the quipment cabinet to switch wires around. Jeans and khakis are pretty much standard here, generally with a collared but casual shirt. Shoes tend to be sneakers. We're certainly not a formal office, but we tend to look respectable. Working respectable at that.

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    33. Re:Too warm? by hikerhat · · Score: 1
      I hope we keep moving away from casual dress. We gave people the opportunity in the 90's, and it proved what we knew in the 80's. We gave people the opportunity in the 60's, and it proved what we knew in the 50's. People are too damn stupid to dress themselves. Especially IT people. If I see one more out of shape slob with glowing white legs in Dockers shorts with black socks, loafers, and a shirt tucked into their shorts in a way that calls attention to their fat ass beer gut, and six different wireless devices clipped to their belt I swear to god I'm going to start shooting.

      Dumb ass mother fuckers think if they wear one article of clothing with the word "Dockers" stitched to it they can anything else they want around it, any way they want to. It just isn't so.

      I was all for the casual dress when I graduated from college. But a few years of industry experience has taught me otherwise. All people needed to do to keep their "dress themselves" privileges was dress in a way that didn't make them repulsive. They couldn't even do that.

    34. Re:Too warm? by Duhavid · · Score: 1

      a, c, e

      for me.

      But, I cant get cooler without shedding clothing. And I am not wearing all that much to start with. You, on the other hand, could become warmer very easily.

      I am glad that you are healthy, wealthy and wise. I havent made it yet. Should I suffer for this, despite my best efforts in these directions?

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    35. Re:Too warm? by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

      I agree that I'd have a hard time doing something like coding at this temperature. It's simply hard to concentrate. But it sounds like all the testees had to do was type at a keyboard. I could probably do that at any reasonable temperature.

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    36. Re:Too warm? by shadow303 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I thought it was more interesting that they performed the test in Florida. People down there have a much different idea of cold than those of us up north. My brain shuts down when it gets to 77, but they seem to find it quite comfortable.

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    37. Re:Too warm? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      This is entirely subjective. If my feet are warm, which they are in winter at work and at school because I end up having to wear shoes as opposed to my usual sandals, I tend to overheat which makes me feel tired/sleepy all day, and which makes me sweat. Even when I have been fit (which I am not now) I have always been a chronic sweater. Jokes about hemp clothing aside, to me the real principle is that the proper solution, which is unfortunately expensive, is to run heat and AC to every office and put a thermostat in each one. This won't help cube farms, of course, although you could probably put a small register over each desk. Such a setup is easy and cheap to implement on a personal level but otherwise troublesome, so it's not likely to become a common part of corporate culture any time soon. Some people have medical or simply physical issues which cause them to prefer warmer or cooler temperatures and you simply cannot accomodate everyone with a single temperature.

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    38. Re:Too warm? by XMyth · · Score: 1

      77F is too warm? I keep my A/C on 75F. I'm just used to living in the south I guess.

    39. Re:Too warm? by Paracelcus · · Score: 1

      When I was doing Y2K stuff at CalTrans my Team mate (senior Un*x sysadmin) and I were sweltering in the hot muggy office environment while some of the other employees (particularly those who hail from hot climates) were walking around in polar survival parkas, sweaters and gloves. I used to find reasons to work in the server room (62 degrees F) just to be comfortable.

      Not everybody likes HEAT!

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    40. Re:Too warm? by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 3, Funny

      Back in highschool we had a couple converts from florida (in western NC) in band...out marching we would rejoice (we being the native NC'ers) when it got down in the low 70s because you could bust ass and not break a sweat...the two new kids were in ski jackets by then.

      OTOH they took the heat much better

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    41. Re:Too warm? by karlrk · · Score: 1

      I agree, but actually, I think slashdotters are misunderstanding this research: First of all, the study states that employees are more productive when the office temperature is *comfortable*, as opposed to cold (they found higher productivity at 77 degrees, compared with 68). Second of all, did anyone notice that this study has a sample size of only 9 -- only 9 employees? Social research is never meaningful when the sample size is that small.

    42. Re:Too warm? by Pxtl · · Score: 1

      Ick - the problem is that I see office buildings in the middle of summer with all the men decked out in full battle gear and the women huddled with sweaters over their pantsuits. Ever considered how much power it takes to cool a hundred-story office building in the middle of summer, especially when much of the staff finds it too damn cold already?

      Take the friggin' jacket off, and get some lighter pants. Want to look formal? Get a vest or something.

    43. Re:Too warm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I find I'm much more productive when I can where shorts and nothing else. I don't get nearly as many people interrupting me when they can see just how hairy my body is. ;)

      So you're literally a code monkey

    44. Re:Too warm? by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      This is completely counter-intuitive. Scandinavian employees are much more productive than their mediteranean counterparts.


      That's because they've figured out they need to heat the rooms and don't have a beach to run off to. ;-)

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    45. Re:Too warm? by blueskies · · Score: 1
      If I see one more out of shape slob with glowing white legs in Dockers shorts with black socks, loafers, and a shirt tucked into their shorts in a way that calls attention to their fat ass beer gut...
      What if they are tan and are in good shape? Sounds like you're more upset that they aren't fine physical specimens.
    46. Re:Too warm? by pmsyyz · · Score: 1

      77F in C
      is shorter.

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      Phillip
    47. Re:Too warm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Most people in the USA grow up with air conditioners and/or heaters set to such a narrow temperature range that they can not adapt to the natural changes in outdoor temperature.

      I grew up not using too much air conditioning or heating and I can survive a much wider range of temperatures than most people around me. I usually only need a windbreaker to fight wind chill when temperatures drop to the 40's (5-10 Celsius). I set my thermostat to the mid to low 60's when it gets colder. I have no AC, but I can survive 90+ temperatures just fine now. Human beings can condition themselves to the wider range of temperature. My parents moved from place to place so I grew up on a tropical island, and then moved to a colder climate and I'm able to adjust to either just fine.

      I see too many children overprotected by their overzealous parents. You see kids bundled up and completely enshrouded by scarves, hats and mittens when the temperature drops to 65 Degrees(18 Celsius) I wonder how many parents ask their children if they are too cold or too hot before they dress them. Kids aren't stupid. Stop treating them as if they are stupid. They know if they're too cold and if they're too hot.

    48. Re:Too warm? by kavau · · Score: 1
      2 comments:

      1. If you're cold, put on a sweater

      2. Unfortunately, if you're too warm and start stripping down, you're likely to get fired.

      Personally, I think that the indoor temperatures should be adjusted according to the outdoor temperatures. People dress differently according to the season. 78 degrees might be adequate for Southern California summers, but it is definitely way too hot for a New York winter. By the same token, going from 90 degrees outside to 68 degrees inside (as in many LA movie theaters) is probably not very healthy as well.

    49. Re:Too warm? by vivin · · Score: 1

      I work in Phoenix. We are so damn productive. We have 0% error. But we lost a bunch of people due to dehydration and heat stroke.

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    50. Re:Too warm? by Rallion · · Score: 1

      I personally think that suits and dress shirts look quite ridiculous.

    51. Re:Too warm? by indros13 · · Score: 1
      Actually, napping during the day can increase productivity. So your productivity might actually increase.

      ...

      Yeah, I know, it means over the whole day but not while he's asleep. But it's not as good a story that way.

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    52. Re:Too warm? by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      My apartment hovers in the 23C-24C range, though my office can get much warmer. Since I get up much earlier than my girlfriend on the weekends (she gets up between 11am and noon, whereas anything past 8:30 is late for me), I often tend to various computer maintenance or updates while she sleeps. Because I sometimes play music, I close the office door, and because the apartment faces a freeway, I keep the window closed.

      Result: she sometimes comes in close to noon, when the thermometer reads 32C or 33C. In one case this summer, it was showing almost 38C. She said it was like a blast furnace when she opened the door. I simply hadn't noticed, as I was too busy working on things (I often forget to eat during such times as well). Even when she said something about it, I didn't find it all that warm until I felt a bead of sweat run down my temple.

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    53. Re:Too warm? by nospmiS+remoH · · Score: 1

      True, but what about figuring out this:

      (12000 feet + 16 inches + 2.43 parsecs)/(1.2 minutes) in nautical miles/year

      Google Calculator Rules :)

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    54. Re:Too warm? by Kehvarl · · Score: 1

      are you kidding? at 77F my productivity goes way down becuase I'm too cold to concentrate properly. 80-85 is acceptable, and 85-90 it just about perfect.

    55. Re:Too warm? by RangerRick98 · · Score: 1

      You wouldn't happen to have an abnormally low blood pressure, would you? Or perhaps you're on a prescription blood thinner or something similar? Because that seems awfully warm to me, but my dad (who is on a blood thinner) and my girlfriend (who has really low blood pressure) would both be fairly comfortable.

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    56. Re:Too warm? by egomaniac · · Score: 4, Funny

      2. How many of the people complain that this is too warm:
      a. are overweight, or
      b. smoke, or
      c. drink warm beverages and not the recommended 8 glasses of water a day, or
      d. have high blood pressure, or
      e. feel sleepy because they aren't getting the recommended 7-9 hours of sleep at night, or
      f. not interested in what they are doing enough to stay awake.


      a: no
      b: no
      c: the 8 glasses of water a day thing is an urban legend
      d: no
      e: no
      f: no

      And yet I'm comfortable at 70F and miserable at 78F. Furthermore, if you're cold, you can dress warmer. If I'm hot, my options are much more limited -- stripping naked at one's workplace tends to have negative repurcussions.

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    57. Re:Too warm? by Zenmonkeycat · · Score: 1

      Personally, I keep things right around 294 or 295. Anything more than that and the pressure in the room in proportion to the increase in volume of air. After all:

      30582 Liters of air at 294K = 30790 Liters of air at 296K, and at 300K the volume is 31206 Liters.

      Wow, I can practically feel my ears popping because of Ideal Gas Laws! At least, I think that's my ears popping...

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    58. Re:Too warm? by chialea · · Score: 1

      It's not that easy to get warmer. My hands, for example, get so terribly cold that I can't type well when I'm in my office. I think typing is a reasonable activity, and I'm already wearing quite a bit of clothing...

    59. Re:Too warm? by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 2

      How about just letting me work from home, and I'll put in 12 even on an 80 hour salary because I don't have to deal with the commute or the constant interruptions.

      Thanks,

      Your employee.

    60. Re:Too warm? by Tired+and+Emotional · · Score: 1
      Yes - but your error rate (measured per hour rather than per piece) goes way down.

      I grew up in a warm climate so I used to find 70F to cold. It used to really annoy me when I was in the US and Hotels would be on cool cycle so I could not get the room up to a comfortable temperature.

      Now I have lived in a cooler climate for a number of years I find 70F very pleasant. So I think the best tempreture varies depending on the climate you live in.

      People do dress differently but in addition I think you acclimatise - anybody have data on that?

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    61. Re:Too warm? by gaspyy · · Score: 1

      Well, if this is any help,
      - I am 28, slim, I don't smoke, I drink 1-2 cups of coffee a day, no blood pressure problems last time I checked, I sleep 8 hours per night and I find my line of work interesting... ... and I still can't work properly at 25 degrees Celsius. At home and at work the room temperature is 21 degrees. In the middle of summer, when it's hot outside, I can tolerate 24 degrees, but anything above is distracting.

    62. Re:Too warm? by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      Dumb ass mother fuckers think if they wear one article of clothing with the word "Dockers" stitched to it they can anything else they want around it, any way they want to. It just isn't so.

      Even more amusing are the dumb-ass motherfuckers who wear suits and ties and think that it actually makes them look like imposing professional specimens of male virility. When in fact they're just advertising that they're too stupid to do anything useful, and therefore must be in management. Or sales.

      All people needed to do to keep their "dress themselves" privileges was dress in a way that didn't make them repulsive. They couldn't even do that.

      And I'm just sure that you're a glowing example of physical beauty who makes women swoon just by walking into the room. At least until you make the mistake of opening your mouth.

      Max

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    63. Re:Too warm? by ke4roh · · Score: 1
      Still, I definately work best at around 25deg C. The freezing office I work in makes my fingers to stiff to type properly.

      25C in the office wouldn't be so bad, but I just want the temperature in the office to be predictable so I can dress appropriately. My co-workers suspect the thermostats are all decoys to fool us into thinking we have some control over the temperature. We have not observed any effect on the temperature from changing the thermostat.

      My office at 36 degrees north is perpetually opposite of the outdoors, for which the landlord pays dearly, serving to thwart nature and make the tennants uncomfortable. Our neighbors in nearby buildings probably wonder why I step outside when it's 80F (27C) wearing a jacket. Of course, in the winter, I have to bring removable layers to accomodate the warmth!

      My boss often said he'd rather have it cold than hot since you can bundle against cold but can't help the heat. Then again, Paul Harvey said the number one complaint about the workplace is that it's too cold. The number 2 complaint: "too hot."

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    64. Re:Too warm? by Duhavid · · Score: 1

      You have a point there.

      I know! How about a heated keyboard! :-)

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    65. Re:Too warm? by Duhavid · · Score: 1

      OK.. More easily than I can get cooler.

      Note also, that I dont know what your particular office environment is. Maybe it just is too cold for everyone there.

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    66. Re:Too warm? by Kehvarl · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure about my blood pressure, but I'm not on any medications (unless those damned aliens are sneaking them to me when I'm not looking)... it could just be that I live an incredibly warm place.

    67. Re:Too warm? by Bob+Uhl · · Score: 1

      You forgot g: they are dressed for the bloody temperature outside. I'm curious why it is that some *@#% feel it necessary to keep the interior of a building at subtropical temperatures in the middle of winter.

    68. Re:Too warm? by RangerRick98 · · Score: 1

      Ah, that's a good point. I didn't consider the types of weather you and I are used to, respectively. I'm from Pennsylvania, so that likely contributes quite a bit to my cooler preference.

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    69. Re:Too warm? by Eccles · · Score: 1

      The problem with too cold is cold hands; you can't type very well with gloves on. Some days I've used a heating pad just to keep my hands warm enough to type.

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    70. Re:Too warm? by Jardine · · Score: 1

      when it got down in the low 70s because you could bust ass and not break a sweat...the two new kids were in ski jackets by then.

      Wow. Low 70s is not even cool by my standards. It's 52F/11C where I am right now. No jacket is required.

    71. Re:Too warm? by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      In what aspect is google better (I mean, apart from the fact that everyone knows the website)?

      Google does furlongs per fortnight.

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    72. Re:Too warm? by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1
      I guess some people like to do that. But I think to be healthy you need to separate work from home. Personally, I work to live, and I don't live to work. I think you need to like your job, but if you can't separate yourself from it... if your job is who you are... I think it is not a healthy way to live. In some cases this might not be true, but I can't think of one.

      Some people say they can work from home and still keep their job separate. I am not so sure it is possible. My opinion, but I like it! :-)

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    73. Re:Too warm? by bitingduck · · Score: 1


      None of the above, except the warm beverages, but I prefer hot coffee (rather than iced) even when it's 105F out, which isn't unusual here in the summer. They don't seem to put me to sleep.

      I'm quite fit, and that actually leads me to prefer it cooler-- I generate a lot of heat. I drink vast quantities of water, only a few cups of coffee during the day. My sitting around (as opposed to resting) pulse is about 60. I really prefer the temperature to be about 68-70F, and I can't wear long sleeves, and prefer to wear shorts.

    74. Re:Too warm? by Kehvarl · · Score: 1

      I was going to reply, then I realised that there was little of any worth that I could add to this line of reasoning. So I decided to let you know that I decided not to reply, and that's why this reply is here.

    75. Re:Too warm? by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      "I myself prefer a temperature of 15 degrees Celsius."

      Me too.

      I'd like to find somewhere nice to live that never gets above 15C

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    76. Re:Too warm? by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      "c: the 8 glasses of water a day thing is an urban legend"

      People who drink sugary caffeinated crud *will* lose more water and need to replace it.

      Caffeine is, in case you never noticed, a diuretic. It makes you piss.

      Sugar requires a fair amount of water to digest.

      Put the two together and you have the very *reverse* of a thirst-quenching drink.

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    77. Re:Too warm? by Keith_Beef · · Score: 1

      It's just about context.

      You take your average lawyer in a courtroom, put a hard hat on his head, take away his tie and suit jacket (er, I think you crazy Yanks call that a "vest"), and strap a fully loaded up tool belt round his waist, and he'll look like he's going to a fancy dress Hallowe'en party as Bob the Builder. Nobody will take him seriously. "Unprofessional"

      Take him from the courtroom, dressed up in his Bob the Builder outfit, and put him on a building site (OK, "construction site") and he'll be taken for an architect or civil engineer, with five or seven years of University study under his tool belt. "Professional".

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    78. Re:Too warm? by merdark · · Score: 1

      Firstly, I am not a Yank, eh.

      I still stand by my statement that shorts and flipflops are unprofessional... unless you are a life gaurd maybe. Bottom line, guys look dorky in shorts. Even in, say, golf, the guys with the pants look way more professional.

      Besdies, aside from a tie, why do people find dress cloathes uncomfortable?

    79. Re:Too warm? by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 1

      It's not that, it really is all about the interruptions. It's also nice to walk to the corner store when I need something to eat, as big business complexes are normally located next to restaurants or stores with much more expensive food. Apply this to having to run some task during the day that could not normally be completed from work and it's the same thing. I'm also generally more productive at home, and I think the above justification has a lot to do with it.

      That said, when necessary I know when it's time to walk away from the computer. As a programmer, separating "life" from "work" is only effective if you are not thinking about the job you're doing, which is almost never the case. Some of my greatest epiphanies happen when I am nowhere near a computer (toilet, shower, bar).

    80. Re:Too warm? by timts · · Score: 1

      I am very productive under that temperature, I posted 3 articles in slashdot, went to kitchen for water 4 times, went to bathroom for 3 times and feel sleepy.

  2. I can't believe that by trout_fish · · Score: 1

    I work much better at cooler temperatures and sit and do nothing when it gets warmer.

    1. Re:I can't believe that by LiENUS · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When temperatures are colder im concerned with warming up, not with working. I think the idea behind this article is you work better in a more comfortable office, not that the more you crank up the heat the more you work.

    2. Re:I can't believe that by mesach · · Score: 1

      I fall asleep when its warmer, I believe that leads to 100% increase in errors

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    3. Re:I can't believe that by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      In my student days, when I had to sit for classes in the winter in steam-heated buildings, I always fell asleep.

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    4. Re:I can't believe that by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      I think there may be something to this study. I have noticed that when I raise my body temperature by drinking six cups of coffee a day I experience a rise in productivity.

    5. Re:I can't believe that by mr_walrus · · Score: 1

      or the error rate falls to zero.
      cant have errors if you dont have output :)

  3. Bundling up is an option... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...but it does nothing to help with cold fingers. And when my fingers get cold, they get stiff. When my fingers get stiff, I can't type as well.

    Common sense, really.

    1. Re:Bundling up is an option... by dykofone · · Score: 1
      I recomend my highly patentable invention: "typing gloves." Take a pair of cheap wool gloves (army surplus wool gloves work great) and cut the fingers off at the first knuckle (of the gloves, not your hands) and presto! all the warmth of not-cold hands, with the dexterity required to hit 90 wpm.

      To complete the look, I also recomend growing out a beard, transferring everything in your briefcase into a handkerchief tied onto the end of a stick, and always eating cold beans out of a tin can for lunch (and potentially burn a 55 gallon drum of garbage for ambient lighting.)

  4. Warm??? by strictfoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Were they studying offices full of women only? Seriously. Women love to play with the office furnistat, even if they've been told not to 100 times.

    The worst thing in the world is to be working in an office that's too warm. It's just horrible.

    Here's a secret people: if you're too cold, wear warming clothing! If I'm too hot, I can't take off all of my clothes (and keep my job).

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    1. Re:Warm??? by gclef · · Score: 5, Funny

      Add another problem: warmer temps mean lighter/less female clothing. The effects of this on male productivity should be obvious.

    2. Re:Warm??? by Crazy+Man+on+Fire · · Score: 1

      Sexism aside, you make a good point. If you're cold, it is very easy to warm up - put on warmer clothing. If you're too hot, there's not much to be done. Seems pretty simple to me...

    3. Re:Warm??? by AviLazar · · Score: 1

      lol.
      Warmer temps = tendency for people to get sleepy. The reason optimal temperature is around 69-72 is that a cooler temp will help keep people awake.
      Again, those that are cold can always add more clothing, those that are warm can only take so much off....I do not think it would be appropriate to come to the office in a bathing suit and t-shirt.

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    4. Re:Warm??? by ebuck · · Score: 1

      Well, you can... But then you'd need to be in a different industry!

    5. Re:Warm??? by strictfoo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Women, on average, have a slower metabolism than men. This is due to them having a higher, on average, percentage of body fat (due to the natural features that women have). Thus, women produce less heat than men, on average, and like their environment to be slightly warmer.

      There is nothing wrong with pointing out the phyiscal differences between sexes.

      I have never worked at a company where there was an issue with men turning the heat up, which causes discomfort for others, just because they were a little too cold.

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    6. Re:Warm??? by titusjan · · Score: 1

      Here's a secret people: if you're too cold, wear warming clothing!

      Sinmce I weare gloves myu peroductrivity has douibled!@

    7. Re:Warm??? by Exocet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can state that, through direct observation that the women in the office I'm in like their heat. In fact, they almost all have space heaters under their desks. It's hell working on their computers; I always get way too hot.

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    8. Re:Warm??? by gosand · · Score: 2, Informative
      Were they studying offices full of women only? Seriously. Women love to play with the office furnistat, even if they've been told not to 100 times.

      What is even worse is when someone (I won't say women) adjusts the thermostat in the computer lab because they are too cold. Computer labs are SUPPOSED to be cold. You crank the ambient temp up to 75 degrees F and you are asking for trouble with the servers. It is amazing that some people in the software industry don't realize this.

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    9. Re:Warm??? by LittLe3Lue · · Score: 1

      lol, unless of course we are talking about a software developement environment, that usually wont be a problem.

      Unless there is that one great female.

      But then, we come to another problem:
      We will start a cave-man-like battle for supremacy.

      And if there arent any good looking females:
      Joe "three inches of chest hair" shmoe should not be forces to walk by me with half meter radius sweat stains.

      Ugh.

      personally: I live in canada, we choose to work in 16 deg C office temperatures. But i guess thats like 21 for you southerners ;)

    10. Re:Warm??? by blackmonday · · Score: 4, Informative

      The funniest thing about that? Most office thermostats are placebos.

    11. Re:Warm??? by fafaforza · · Score: 1

      But colder temps cause certain headlights, cough, to become lit, also being detrimental to male productivity. You can't win, really.

    12. Re:Warm??? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
      There's another strong physical reason: women tend to be shorter than men.

      Consider that body mass is roughly proportional to the cube of height, while skin area is proportional to the square of height ("If you'll assume that a person is a sphere to make the math easier..."). Therefore, the taller a person is, the higher their mass-to-surface area ratio is likely to be. In other words, the smaller you are, the more efficiently you radiate heat.

      In short, it's not surprising that a smaller (on average) woman will tend to feel colder than a larger (on average) man. I'd expect a 6'0" woman to be roughly as comfortable as an equivalently sized man at a given temperature.

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    13. Re:Warm??? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I have never worked at a company where there was an issue with men turning the heat up, which causes discomfort for others, just because they were a little too cold.

      It's a good thing you don't work some place where I control the thermostat. I'm male, and I'm always cold compared to most other people. I also have very low body fat. My office is probably set at 74, and I still wear a sweatshirt, and occassionally get out my space heater (which I'm not supposed to have according to company rules--shhh!).

      When I moved here to Phoenix, Arizona, I hoped my days of always shivering at work would be over, but no.... these morons have to fight nature too just like their counterparts on the east coast. At least it's comfortable at home, where I keep it 78 at the coldest, and usually 80-82.

      I and my friends always assumed the reason they keep offices so cold is because of a few enormously fat people who complain when they're too warm.

    14. Re:Warm??? by MagicDude · · Score: 1

      There is nothing wrong with pointing out the phyiscal differences between sexes

      Espically when it's the physical differences that are pointing out.

    15. Re:Warm??? by mattkime · · Score: 1

      due to the natural features that women have



      BOOBS!

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    16. Re:Warm??? by anathematizer · · Score: 1

      Women have slower metabolisms/lower body temperatures than men because on average they have less muscle (major source of heat production) and their thyroid glands produce less thyroxine (which means their digestion/metabolism rates are set at a lower level). Their realtive fat composition (5-8% more on average - of course the average american male is much fatter than the average female :) )is not much more than the average male but the distribution is different (thighs and buttocks rather than thoracic) as well more female fat deposits are subcutaneous (nearer to the surface of the skin than men's fat.) Since fat is highly vascularized, women lose more heat quickly than men which is why men and women typically fight over the thermostat. Other than health conditions/circulatory problems, it is easier to put on a sweater and complain about it rather than fall asleep at work.

    17. Re:Warm??? by ender81b · · Score: 1

      I had a friend who (after random women kept turnign up the temp in the server room because it was too cold when they went to go get their print jobs) put up a sign.

      it said, Simply:

      If you want to be responsible for the loss of $750,000 dollars worth of computer equipment, please sign below and adjust the thermostat as much as you want

      Nobody ever touched the thermostat again ;)

    18. Re:Warm??? by Skater · · Score: 1

      How about you keep your precious servers in another room and let us PC users actually be comfortable?

      The lab I used in graduate school was kept at about 60 degrees F for this reason (it didn't help that the room was small and the A/C was blowing on you wherever you were). We hated it - it was difficult to concentrate. I distinctly remember shivering uncontrollably several times when I had classes in there and had forgotten to bring my winter coat.

      --RJ

    19. Re:Warm??? by chialea · · Score: 1

      I'm 5'9". I'm very, very cold in my 68 degree office, and very unhappy, and often very unproductive. I'm currently wearing pants, socks, shoes, and two sweaters, one with a hood. I'm not sure what else I could do about this one... growing isn't going to help, I don't think :P

      Lea

    20. Re:Warm??? by Mattintosh · · Score: 1

      Nice article. I can vouch for it, but there are a few minor corrections that need to be noted.

      I work for an HVAC controls contractor, and I know of dummy stats, but not 90% for sure. Probably 20%, and only where we get repeated problem calls. The other thing is, what is considered a "dummy"?

      We use a thermistor wall "stat", which is just a temperature sensitive resistor that allows our controller to know what temperature the room is and whether it needs to heat or cool. A "thermostat" is just a temperature sensor with an integrated controller, and many of them use a thermistor.

      On these wall-mounted temperature sensors, we frequently use a setpoint adjustment, either electronic (with buttons) or resistance-based (a "slide-pot" potentiometer). The software for the controller will keep the temperature in a centrally defined range, but the slide-pot will allow you to slide that range up or down a degree or two. We usually give our customers a +/-2 degree swing.

      So they're not really placebos. A 2 degree difference is enough to trigger a call for heat or cool, usually. And if it's not, then you don't need it anyway. :)

    21. Re:Warm??? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
      Well, there's a lot of difference between general correlation and direct causation. :)

      If it makes you feel any better, I'm a 6'0" male wearing jeans, warm socks, heavy shoes, a t-shirt, and a long-sleeve flannel shirt and I'm freezing my tail off in my 68 degree office. Being cold at work isn't strictly a woman's plight.

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  5. Nap Time? by B5_geek · · Score: 1

    Does this study take into account the lost productivity due to taking naps in the stiffeling heat?

    Cooler temps = more alert workers. (lots of Hot coffee to 'warm-up' helps too!)

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    1. Re:Nap Time? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      **Cooler temps = more alert workers. (lots of Hot coffee to 'warm-up' helps too!)**

      but isn't the gist of the study that warmer office conditions REDUCE errors and INCREASE alertness(even if you perceive otherwise).

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    2. Re:Nap Time? by DarkHand · · Score: 1

      We're talking about a comfortable temperature, not stifling heat. I can't exactly work in gloves and earmuffs, but it seems I have to on some summer days when the AC is cranked down to 50 degrees (or at least it seems that way).

  6. omg, Canada is doomed! by theluckyleper · · Score: 3, Funny

    Or perhaps Canadians should just wait for global warming to kick in, and reap the 44% in error reduction rewards!

    Go burn those fossil fuels, Canucks!

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    1. Re:omg, Canada is doomed! by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 1, Funny

      At least there's a good side to Dubya getting re-elected. Four more years of him gutting the clean air act and every environmental law on the books, and we'll be reaping the benefits of 44% error reduction (hopefully enough so that we can figure out the ballots and vote for the Democrat instead of Pat Buchannon)

    2. Re:omg, Canada is doomed! by beyonddeath · · Score: 2, Funny

      Up here in Canada its generally accepted taht it is not possible to heat any room above freezing by conventional means (forced air etc) so we all bought pentium 4's

    3. Re:omg, Canada is doomed! by dubstar · · Score: 1

      Actually it gets pretty warm in most parts of Canada during the summer months.

      My office for instance, was obviously on to this scientific discovery before hand.. It climbed up to 36 degrees celcius (with 60-70% humidity on top of that), and I must say between bouts of vomiting, passing out, and trips to the hospital, I do recall being extremely productive!

      Mind you... that may have just been part of the hallucinations. Well, whichever..

  7. Work from Home by GweeDo · · Score: 1

    And I am happy with my 67F that my house sits at!

  8. Stupid study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Studies like this are as old as the hills, but horribly inaccurate.

    In the end, if you wish to increase productivity dim the lights. And monitor the results, productivity will go up. Increase the lighting a week later, productivity will again go up. Keep this up until productivity exceeds 100% efficiency.

    I'm only half kidding.

  9. The Suits by dykofone · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I always assumed offices were so cold to keep all of the "suits" comfortable as they went about their corporate level day. I know I'd certainly be sweating having to wear a coat inside while showing some Japanese investors around.

    Which is why I doubt the AC is gonna be lowered anytime soon. It would be a battle between HR and upper management, and while certainly a glorious battle it would be, uppper management usually wins.

    1. Re:The Suits by terrab0t · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Suit wearers are definitely one group keeping the temperature set low, but there is a larger factor at play.

      I think the major reason offices are intentionally kept cold and drafty is that the vast majority of office workers drink coffee. I've worked in several different offices, some large, some small. I was always getting cold sitting still in my chair all day and ended up wearing several layers of clothing. I actually kept a sweater at the office because I didn't need it anywhere else. I eventually realised that one thing myself and all the other sweater wearers had in common was that we didn't drink coffee like the everybody else in the office.

      The funniest moment after this realisation was watching three coffee drinkers ponder curiousely over our cold problem while sipping their drinks. "Maybe there's a draft over his desk?", "It could be that window he's next to...", "I bet he has bad circulation, old people get like that.", and so on. All the while sipping their fourth daily cup of a hot drink they new full well we stayed away from.

      There may be other reasons, but if you see somebody at an office bundled up or just shivering in their seat, I'll bet you 2 to 1 odds they're one of the few who don't take the office drug regularily.

  10. Warm = Productivity?? by Egonis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am quite the opposite, as warm or hot weather makes me unable to focus...

    Between 18 and 16 Degrees Celsuis are perfect for me, then again, I do live in Canada.

  11. 100% by slimak · · Score: 4, Interesting
    At 77 degrees Fahrenheit, the workers were keyboarding 100 percent of the time...

    100% of the time? Does this seem a little high to anyone else? Don't people take breaks for bathroom, /., etc?

    1. Re:100% by RangerRick98 · · Score: 1

      Well, clearly this study is a bit flawed. They only mention two data points and immediately declare that there's a trend.

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    2. Re:100% by mesach · · Score: 4, Funny

      It makes sense to me, they wanna get thier work done and get the fuck outta the room!

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    3. Re:100% by Kavli · · Score: 1

      Bathroom? --Surely not! You sweat it off...

    4. Re:100% by identity0 · · Score: 1

      That's what I thought too, until I heard a familiar clicking noise coming from the bathroom stall...

      Thank god for laptops and wi-fi.

    5. Re:100% by Jerrry · · Score: 1

      77 degrees F? This seems absurdly hot to me. I prefer the temperature to be around 65 when I work. Anything warmer and my productivity goes way down.

  12. Since it's under science... by Pi_0's+don't+shower · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's worth pointing out that perhaps the most productive university in the entire world in the field of astronomy is the University of Hawaii at Manoa.

    It is just a coincidence? Astronomers/Astrophysicists always seem to know where to build the best ground-based telescopes (Hawaii, Chile, the Canary Islands...)

    1. Re:Since it's under science... by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

      Astronomers/Astrophysicists always seem to know where to build the best ground-based telescopes (Hawaii, Chile, the Canary Islands...)

      Do you think this might have anything to do with the clear skies, and lack of nearby cities (light pollution)?

      But you are right - maybe a warmer climate would increase productivity too. It would at least make people feel happier. I'm looking out at the rain outside my window, and thinking that I have to go home in that very soon.

      T.

    2. Re:Since it's under science... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since telescopes are built on remote hilltops as far away from human activity (light and vibration polution), it makes sense to put them on remote volcanic islands.

      It also means that those living on the islands also have a better view of the cosmos. Also on the islands, people can study astronomy all year round, in other places, you usually have to go on a specially arranged visit, they can just look out of their window.

      Thats just common sense. Its like saying the best igloo building university is in Alaska.

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    3. Re:Since it's under science... by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      Since they always put the telescopes at the highest altitude possible, I'll bet that it gets a little chilly at nights now and then.

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    4. Re:Since it's under science... by Thrakkerzog · · Score: 1

      maybe they can see the sky? Try doing that in NYC! :-)

    5. Re:Since it's under science... by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      It is sometimes the case (I'm not sure whether it is currently) that Trinity College, Cambridge has had more Nobel Laureates than France, but which do you think has a nicer climate?

  13. This study by gtpilot · · Score: 1

    While this is a little bit of a common sense study, I think its a little bogus. There are so many other factors. One week to the next?? I know for a fact that last week I didnt do crap, this week I have worked like a dog, and its only gotten colder.

    1. Re:This study by gzunk · · Score: 1

      I was getting seriously worried regarding your bowel movements, then I read your post again.

  14. That's it... by Rorschach1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm forwarding this on to my facility manager. It's freaking COLD in here! And it's not just in the winter that it's cold - it's ALWAYS cold in here. Someone decided to put a ton of servers in the next room, and the servers like it cold, but guess what? There's no way to isolate the two areas. Yeah, it affects productivity - we're always huddling around our space heaters shivering rather than typing.

    Oh, and now we're not supposed to have space heaters. Thank God for surplus AlphaServers...

    1. Re:That's it... by shis-ka-bob · · Score: 1

      Your last name isn't Cratchet by chance?

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  15. Turn down the AirCon! by bobbis.u · · Score: 1
    You don't need to move - in most places you can simply turn down the air conditioning in the summer to save the energy for heating in the winter. It is more efficient to heat a room than to cool it anyway.

    It's hardly rocket science.

  16. Or maybe they were hurrying... by Se7enLC · · Score: 1

    Perhaps when the office was raised to 77 degrees the employees decided "The sooner I finish typing this the sooner I can go home to where it's not a friggin sauna"...notice they didn't have any data on the *duration* of work...just that when typing, they were more accurate.

  17. This is Just for Typing Skills by dcocos · · Score: 1

    I'd also like to see the gender breakdown on this, from my experience women like warmer offices and men like colder offices. Since it is secreterial (sp?) skills I'm going to go with the generilzation that there are more women in the group and hence that may be why there is an increase with temp.

  18. Obligatory offshore joke by Chagatai · · Score: 3, Funny
    Will this increase in output be enough to convince my boss to pay for us to vacation-commute from a tropical island?

    No, but welcome your new office in sunny Bangalore, where the temps often exceed 100F and humidity reigns!

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  19. great.... by kryzx · · Score: 1

    now our software sweatshops will involve actual sweat. sweaty programmers, ewwwww.

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  20. i'm always less productive by castlec · · Score: 1

    we have a lot of hotties in this office and they all start wearing painted on pants and crop top shirts...... i cant work. it's torture. i love it and hate it all at the same time. none of the other geeks can work either. you can almost see the ropes pulling heads from across the room as one of them walks by. now, put yourself in our position and imagine how much worse it would be if it was warm year round.

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  21. Where is Cornell again? by tbase · · Score: 1

    Seems like a pretty silly study without looking at the other end. What about 78 degrees? What about 80? Here in the South, we have more of a problem with it being too warm. I can't stay awake at more than 77 degrees. For working and sleeping, I do much better at 74. Sounds like half a study to me.

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  22. Correlation != Causation by Trolling4Columbine · · Score: 1

    Not to mention that in 77 degrees (F), people in typical business attire would sweat their balls off. This sounds like a load of bunk to me.

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  23. Way too hot! by Power+Everywhere · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At my job we must wear an undershirt and a dress shirt or polo or sweater. We also have to wear socks and shoes, never sandals, and are disallowed shorts. 25 C would be unbearable and would make most of us doze off. 20 C is much more acceptable. However, the women there complain that it's cold unless it hirts 27 C. Go figure.

    1. Re:Way too hot! by Schwarzchild · · Score: 1
      At my job we must wear an undershirt and a dress shirt or polo or sweater.

      Really? That's absurd. How can they tell if you're wearing an undershirt or not?

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  24. It's stupid by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 1

    If temperature was the pprimary concern, all those businesses would just relocate to south Texas, New Mexico, Alabama, etc.

    And a *lot* of us don't want it that warm. If it gets above 74 or so, most of the people in our office get sluggish.

    1. Re:It's stupid by jeffy210 · · Score: 1

      Hey, there's nothing wrong with the fact that it's still shorts weather right now (San Antonio, today's high 91)

      Where I am, we keep our office at about 71, which is a good working temp. Too warm and we fall asleep, too cold and our fingers can't move to type.

      Also I don't know of a single building in SA (or other warm area) that doesn't have some form of HVAC, it's nessecary down here, so temps in the office are arbitrary. Maybe that's why warm areas are better because they can better control the temp and are not subject to conditions outside.

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    2. Re:It's stupid by TykeClone · · Score: 1
      (San Antonio, today's high 91)

      That's one of my gripes about the Big 12. Iowa State plays at Baylor this weekend and it will be in the 80s. I'd like to see some of those texas teams head up to play at the north towards the end of november :)

      It's 45 and drizzling here in northern Iowa and we like it! Actually, we've not turned on the furnace at work yet because the heat from the days and the heat generated from PC's is enough to keep it decent yet. Probably will need the furnace in a week or two when the temperature drops below zero for the next 6 months (smile - that's a bit of a stretch).

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  25. Re:warm offices by slars · · Score: 1

    In my office, I have to sit on my hands to keep them warm. Makes it hard to type with my hands on my butt!

  26. Not me by moorcito · · Score: 2, Funny

    Warm office, bah. I get all my best work done in the deep freeze. Nothing like having your keyboard frozen solid to make you work extra hard typing that TPS report.

  27. Really? by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Then why do I have a bloody fan on my desk that's on all year?

    I don't know about anyone else, but a warm office really hurts my productivity. Heck, when the A/C goes out, I think more about the temperature than the job at hand. It's also unpleasant coming into the office after doing a little bit of exercise, and spending the next 20 minutes wiping all the sweat off. Plus, warm offices feel somewhat stuffy.

    Personally, I know some offices are nice and chilly, and it can hurt productivity, but too warm is probably a lot worse than too cold. (Too warm - get a fan - if you're still hot, tough. Too cold - a heater, sweater, anything - when you're warm enough (or feeling hot), take it off.

    Then again, maybe I'm weird to prefer cooler weather. Me, like airplanes, like cold air... not hot (and possibly humid) air.

    1. Re:Really? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      Personally, more clothing doesn't help the extremities that matter most - my fingers. If I have to spend all day typing and it's cold in my office, I can't put gloves on.

      I'd prefer to sit around in my t-shirt and shorts at 28C, but I can compromise and wear a sweater at 24C. At 22C I start to freeze solid.

      And I'm Canadian! Ha!
      (I was born in Singapore, though. :P)

  28. On Cold Offices by radish7 · · Score: 1

    My office is too cold, and I don't have access to any sort of controls on it. I end up using my desklamp as a heat source.

    I find that the cold makes me think less about work and more about how damn cold I am.

    1. Re:On Cold Offices by mesach · · Score: 1

      It would be the opposite for me, I would be thinking about how hot it is and how uncomfortable I am, and how I cannot take off my shirt because I'm at work. I'd be worried that because I'm so hot, I'm now starting to sweat and its starting to show.

      You can put on a sweater.

      It's always easier to warm up, but only a finite ability to cool down(at least that is acceptable in public)

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    2. Re:On Cold Offices by radish7 · · Score: 1

      I agree on the easier to warm up bit -- our environment is pretty casual though. I'm typing this while wearing a t-shirt (with my lamp roasting my belly).

      If I wore a jacket or a sweater or two, it'd be less comfortable to type all day.

      I suppose we're at an impasse. ;-)

  29. Finally by nazokoneko · · Score: 1

    Finally, scientific evidence. I can't even begin to count how many hours I've wasted having to stop typing to warm up my hands. I once had a job where the office was so cold that I spent every lunch hour sitting out in my car in the middle of summer, defrosting. I know it helps people stay awake, but if I'm too cold to work, what's the point?

    1. Re:Finally by stephenbooth · · Score: 1

      Here in the UK we have legislation that says that work areas cannot be any colder than 16 degrees C for most types of work (for work that involves 'severe physical effort' it can drop to 13 degrees); "Workplace Health, Safety and Welfare Regulations" (1993), Regulation 7. If it drops below that then not only can you quit work and leave the premises (and they have to keep paying you) until the temperature rises buit you actually have a legal duty to do so. Personally I like around 17-19 degrees (given the choice I'll work in the server room that is air connect to 19 degrees).

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  30. Gimme cold! by Gentoo+Fan · · Score: 1

    I usually have a fan pointed at me at my desk. Sometimes I even need a light jacket with it on, but I like the cool breeze. Cool room and hot coffee makes for good coding.

  31. Office Attire / Room Temp? by spleck · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What are these people wearing? T-shirt and shorts?

    Many workplaces require slacks and a collared shirt. Add an undershirt and I'm good for 70F.

    We had an issue with our AC for a while and had to deal with 80F temps. We complained and complained to get it to 70-72F.

    Isn't "room temp" 72F/22C ??

  32. Duh by starseeker · · Score: 1

    Warmer offices make people more productive? This is news?

    I'll bet next week there is a counter study that offices that are too warm exhibit a decrease in productivity too. Sheesh

    Anybody get the feeling that most research into working conditions is going to eventually rediscover common sense? Respect your employees, don't treat them like productivity units or morons, and don't subject them to unfavorable working conditions like poor equipment or temperature control. Guess what - they'll appreciate it and be more productive!

    Of course, maybe this type of report is the only way to compel certain types of management to cough up the cash and up the thermostat to sane levels, but if you're working in a place like that I'll wager the management is more of a problem than the temperature.

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    1. Re:Duh by mesach · · Score: 1

      That study will commence tomorrow, because all the PHB's somehow saw this article and decided that cranking the heat would be even better(but ours goes to 11).

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  33. This is old news by sckienle · · Score: 5, Informative

    From Article: When the office temperature in a month-long study increased from 68 to 77 degrees Fahrenheit, typing errors fell by 44 percent and typing output jumped 150 percent.

    This is a well-known phenomenon, first seen in the Hawthorne studies. One of the first productivity studies was in a factory where the researcher first reduced the light, and productivity increased; then the researcher increased the light, and productivity still increased. The end result is that worker productivity increased indirectly merely by changing the work environment.

    Maybe that's why we keep getting reorganized....

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    1. Re:This is old news by Valdar729 · · Score: 1

      I thought productivity increased because they knew they were being studied?

    2. Re:This is old news by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Funny
      One of the first productivity studies was in a factory where the researcher first reduced the light, and productivity increased; then the researcher increased the light, and productivity still increased.

      So the most efficient environment is one with a flickering light?
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    3. Re:This is old news by suwain_2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      productivity increased indirectly merely by changing the work environment.

      I was actually wondering if anyone else had mentioned this, sometimes called the Hawthorne Effect. However, it seems you have the summarization a little wrong.

      It's generally believed that productivity didn't increase because their environment was changing; productivity went up because they knew they were being studied, and/or that management cared about them enough to look. Remember that the Hawthorne study was one of the forerunners in the wild new theory that increasing productivity might have something to do with employees, not machinery.

      It's not entirely unlike the placebo effect, although I'd stop short of equating the two.

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    4. Re:This is old news by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

      Hmm, the Hawthorne Effect is a bit deeper than just changing the work environment, it's that they realized they were being studied, so they increased productivity. They wanted to have the experiment "work" so they did what they thought they wanted, increase productivity, even when the light was dimmed to candlelight intensity. This is why we have control groups. Awareness of being studied and wanting to do the "right" thing for the experiment is a confounding factor.

      As a trivia thing, I actually lived not that far from there. It was the Western Electric Hawthorne works plant, Cicero and around 24th just outside of Chicago. My best friend's dad still wears his old jackets every once in a while. It's now a strip mall. I doubt that maybe .00001% of the people that go by there have any idea that some of the great work psychological experiments were performed somehwere in (what's now) that parking lot.

    5. Re:This is old news by AvantLegion · · Score: 1
      >> Maybe that's why we keep getting reorganized....

      Well they haven't gotten you off Slashdot yet.

    6. Re:This is old news by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

      By the way, you got the ordering wrong.
      One of the first productivity studies was in a factory where the researcher first reduced the light, and productivity increased; then the researcher increased the light, and productivity still increased. The end result is that worker productivity increased indirectly merely by changing the work environment.

      They had a theory that increasing the light would increase productivity, that efficiency was based on some purely physical aspects, and that aiding these physical aspects (like ability to see because of available light) and people would basically respond to thse in easily calculable formulas. They knew base productivity, so they started increasing light from there, and productivity rose. After they proved themselves right, they decided to "extend the curve" to see what the graph would look like with less light, expecting decreases as extensions of the physical graph they had alreday "proved". They found that there was an emotional component, that people improved even though the physical situation was worse, and in fact kept improving until it got close to twilight lighting levels. This was groundbreaking, and led to a lot of further research on the nature of employees as people, and lead to a newe branch of psychology.

    7. Re:This is old news by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 2, Interesting


      It's not entirely unlike the placebo effect, although I'd stop short of equating the two.

      One way in which it differs is that the Hawthorne effect is somewhat more conscious. Workers know that working faster will lead to increased productivity. They consciously can change the outcome. A patient getting a placebo effect doesn't know what "muscles" he's flexing, or which attitudes he's affecting that are causing his healing to speed up.

      So in other words:
      Hawthorne effect: The subject knows he's being tested, and knows how to change the outcome, and so he changes it.
      Placebo effect: The subject knows he's being tested, but he doesn't know how to change the outcome, but manages to change it subconsiously anyway.

      The Placebo effect is somewhat more "mysterious". I'd like to see some people study it to learn the mechanism behind it. There's got to be something interesting going on there.

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    8. Re:This is old news by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      So the most efficient environment is one with a flickering light?

      That reminds of a little story I read about a group that offered a prize for the best half baked ideas. A prayer plant opens its leaves in daylight and closes them at night. The idea was that you could decrease the length of the day-night cycle to a point that was rapid enough for the plant to pick up and fly.

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    9. Re:This is old news by macosxaddict · · Score: 1
      I don't think it's that mysterious. People experiencing the placebo effect don't actually get better; they simply report that they're feeling better:

      Q: How much does it hurt?
      A: A little less, I think. Thanks, Doc!

      Or they get better because psychology matters:
      Q: Hey, I notice your blood pressure is much lower after taking this blood pressure medication we're testing.
      A: Yeah, I feel much better.
      (i.e. lower stress is causing a lower blood pressure, not the medication)

    10. Re:This is old news by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 1

      There are cases where there is measurable objective data that proves the person really is feeling better (so it's not just faulty self-reporting), and yet the psychological link is not as obvious as it is for blood pressure. For example, lower fever temperatures.

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  34. Results questionable... by techmuse · · Score: 1

    I question the results of the study for several reasons:

    -My productivity / output do not corrolate to how much I type.
    -How much I type does relate to what projects I'm working on and what I have to do that day. Perhaps the people who typed more had assignments that month that required more typing.
    -68 degrees is comfortable for me. 77 is sweltering.
    -In warm offices, my productivity falls.
    -In warm offices, I get sleepy.

  35. The Science Behind It All by jetkust · · Score: 1

    Around 88% of the productivity boost was attributed to the constant syncronized nagging from all the woman in the office decreasing at once when the temperature was raised. Male workers found they could get a lot more work done when not responding to "Isn't it cold in here" by the female workers throughout the day. And Female workers found they could get more work done when not nagging Male workers about how cold it was.

  36. why waste money? by supergwiz · · Score: 1

    Why turn up the heat when you can simply turn on Clippy the OfficeAsisstant® to correct mistakes.

  37. Office Temperature Optimal by AviLazar · · Score: 1

    Here is a link to a site stating optimal office temperature between 69-73 degrees. Here
    Now I did do a study in college (don't have the resources as it was a while ago) and I also came up with the statistic that 69 degrees is optimal. For those that are cold - you can always add more clothing, while those that are hot (typically men get hotter then women) can only take so much clothing off...especially in many offices where men are required to wear a shirt, tie and potentially a suit jacket.
    I try and keep the office temp at around 69. When it goes above 71 *I* do start to get uncomfortable.

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    1. Re:Office Temperature Optimal by TheLink · · Score: 1

      "For those that are cold - you can always add more clothing".

      While I do mostly agree, for modern day white-collar office work you'd need special mittens to keep your hands and fingers warm whilst still allowing you to type without errors.

      I'm also not so sure about the efficacy of such mittens and whether they negatively affect typing.

      That's coz I live in a tropical country, where we have the reverse problem. If the airconditioning breaks down, work practically stops - it gets too warm to do anything. Even if you wear less it is still too warm (and there are limits to how little you can wear :) ...).

      Lee Kuan Yew, the ex-Prime Minister of Singapore said the greatest invention of the 20th century was air conditioning. Well, for sure Singapore wouldn't be what it is today without air conditioning.

      Summary: comfortable offices boost productivity. Doh.

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  38. Office drones vs. developers by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 1

    Me, I have a half-dozen computers sitting under my desk, all generating a lot of heat. If the ambient temp is too high, my legs are sweating and I'm falling asleep. So what's comfortable for those in a wide open reception area is roasting me alive in my cube.

    Until they can control the ambient temperature to small regions of each floor, let's keep the temp on the cool side; you can always put on a jacket.

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  39. Warm Office=Faster Typing by ThurstonMoore · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I work in an office that gets very cold during the fall and winter and I have noticed that my typing speed decreases dramatically when my hands are cold.

  40. Re:i like warm temperature by Se7enLC · · Score: 1

    Back in my youth (~5 years ago) I worked a summer at a McDonalds when they opted not to fix the broken air conditioning, since they had plans to rebuild the restaurant a year later. It was often over 110 in the kitchen.

    Management changed their story a little when we sang this parody of Ironman loud enough for the customers to hear for the duration of the lunch hour:

    It's real hot in here
    They're not gonna fix the A/C this year


    But no raises for it, unfortunately. Extra sweat in all the burgers, though, free of charge!

  41. productivity by Flamesplash · · Score: 1

    I think one of the productivity killers is just how sweet some companies/campuses are. I've interned at microsoft three times now and I always found it hard to concentrate because the whole experience of being there was so very cool. I'm not diagnosed ADHD though as a tech geek I'm probably it to some extent, and being in that environment made it hard for me to buckle down and concentrate.

    I'm not saying that this should be removed from the companies, cause it's the major appeal of some places, but it's definetly something to keep in mind for any particular employee I think.

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    1. Re:productivity by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      Hopefully, soon you'll outgrow thinking that any corporate office is 'so very cool' and you won't have this problem again.

      If you don't outgrow it, I fear for our country's future.

    2. Re:productivity by Flamesplash · · Score: 1

      Have you been to Microsoft before? They have a wonderful corporate campus and a unique corporate culture. Everyone is very friendly and sociable, as well the campus is setup to allow socializing as well there are many recreational activities through the halls, including a number of classic arcade machines.

      This is in contrast to when I worked for Lincoln Laboratory, where it was built in the 50's and is only recently being renovated. The culture is also reminescent of the 50's with most of my co-workers being old enough to be my parents.

      I think one of the desires of anyone should be to strive for a work environment they enjoy going to everyday and remains to be 'so very cool' as long as they are there. You may not like the words but the sentiment is still valid.

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    3. Re:productivity by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      I have nothing wrong with terming it as "so very cool" at all, in fact, I like the phrase. I just have a hard time seeing how any office can be anything like "cool". My ideal work environment is a lack of one.

      I always heard MS encouraged socializing because MS encouraged people to not ever leave the office and that's easier to do when your social life is already there.

    4. Re:productivity by Flamesplash · · Score: 1

      alright, I get your point. and I'd somewhat agree with it. My preference would be to have enough self control to not get caught up in it such that I couldn't work :)

      There's some truth in what you say about MS. They offer a lot of nice benefits like free soda, pool tables etc. that make working late not so horrible. but I wouldn't say they specifically encourange socializing to keep you there longer, in fact most of my co-workers only really worked late because they came in late, and they would usually work really late from home not the office. That was my last group. The previous ones were more structured in their time schedules, more 10-6.

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    5. Re:productivity by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      I have to admit that I've always just heard that about MS, and I have no first-hand experience there.

      I guess I'm too used to the environment where I work now. Most of my co-workers come in early and leave correspondingly early. They are also mostly family men (and women) so their main priority is to get their work done and get home to be with their spouses and kids.

      It was really strange coming here after working through the dot-com era where everybody thought they were in the process of becoming instant millionaires so they worked like they'd never have to again.. but once I got used to it I prefer it. Seems like the priorities of people here are in the right place.

    6. Re:productivity by Tyndmyr · · Score: 1

      After clearly used the word cool in reference to MS, you will now be shunned by 99% of /. Consider yo

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  42. Not an absolute by ssxxaa · · Score: 1

    I've seen that the temperature you like the most depends on the climate you were raised at. So enforcing one temperature for all is not the best. A solution that seems to work is to set the thermostat low and have people who want it higher get personal space heaters. Yeah, that's efficient. But it works.

  43. I've been saying it for YEARS! by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

    Fellow Canucks, let's make it a reality.

  44. That explains alot by maddh · · Score: 2, Funny
    I work all day in the server room at about 60F and can barely get anything done.
    All this time I thought I was just born lazy, but its actually the working environment.

    Thanks Science!

  45. Sample size by the_twisted_pair · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From the article:
    In the study, which was conducted at Insurance Office of America's headquarters in Orlando, Fla., each of nine workstations was equipped with a miniature personal environment-sensor for sampling air temperature every 15 minutes.

    Wow, what a meaningful sample size.

    That, and the references to keyboards and accuracy makes it sound like it's purely a study of a typing pool to me. Probably female, probably requiring little in the way of creative/critical thinking, just a cosy space to get on with the tiresome task of earning a dollar.

    This passes for 'research'...? Oh dear.

    1. Re:Sample size by ke4roh · · Score: 1
      There were other glaring problems, too. From the presentation slides, it looks like the temperature varied as a function of time through the course of a day - cool in the morning and warm in the afternoon (slide 11). Furthermore, this was at an insurance company, and based on the time/activity graphs, I'd be willing to bet they do some auto insurance claims processing since activity was at its morning and afternoon peaks shortly after rush hour (slide 15). Humidity, temperature, and productivity spiked in the afternoon about 6:45 - perhaps agents were sweating over claims?

      I'm not really sure what, if anything, we can take away from this study, other than that someone hypothesized that efficiency might be related to temperature.

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  46. nothing to do with offshoring by bpowell423 · · Score: 1

    The article, and I did read it, said nothing about offshoring. You certainly don't have to move to a warmer climate to warm up the office a bit. I personally think the 77F mentioned in the article is too hot, but most offices I've been in keep the AC so cold that my fingers get stiff. The solution to cold offices isn't to move to the tropics, it's just to back off the AC a bit. I try to keep my office between 72-74F. Any warmer, and I start to get sleepy. Any colder, and my fingers start to turn blue.

  47. Temperature Fascists by TrentL · · Score: 2, Insightful

    77 is horrible if you're wearing a T-Shirt, a dress-shirt, and a tie. Keep it at 70 or lower. If people are cold, too bad: they can wear more clothes. People who always bitch about it being "too cold" and try to get the temp increased are one of my big pet peeves. My dorm rooms were always scorching, even in the winter. Damn Temperature Fascists.

    1. Re:Temperature Fascists by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      work from home!

      i'm wearing a towel. buahahah.

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    2. Re:Temperature Fascists by blixel · · Score: 1

      People who always bitch about it being "too cold" and try to get the temp increased are one of my big pet peeves.

      Fat asses that always bitch about being hot is one of my big pet peeves.

    3. Re:Temperature Fascists by cyberlotnet · · Score: 4, Funny

      I agree with you 100%

      My motto is very simple

      When its cold you can always put on more clothes.
      When its hot you can only take off so much before your arrested!

    4. Re:Temperature Fascists by NardofDoom · · Score: 2, Informative
      I've always been too warm, even back during my running days. I would often shovel snow in jeans, sneakers and a light jacket.

      I know people who are obese and keep their houses at 73 (way too warm for me) because they're always cold. It has more to do with metabolism (mine's like a freakin' mongoose) than your weight.

      Muscular people are usually warmer than fat people because muscle burns more energy than fat.

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    5. Re:Temperature Fascists by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People who always bitch about it being "too cold" and try to get the temp increased are one of my big pet peeves.
      and it's ignorant clods like you that make my GF's work life difficult.

      she has Reynauds, a condition tha tcan cut off the circulation in her fingers if exposed to low temperatures... Yes a half hour in of 67 degree temperatures WILL trigger this condition. Many other people also have circulation problems.

      Her last boss was so stupid that it took us filing for disability for her on his ass as well as a lawsuit on him for creating a hostile work environment before he turned the temperature back up to 70.

      Maybe these people "bitching" have a real reason.

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    6. Re:Temperature Fascists by Entrope · · Score: 1

      When the inside temperature is too cold, my typing productivity does not go down because my arms get cold. It goes down because my fingers get cold, and wearing long sleeves does not change this. I could wear gloves, but that would be outside social norms and more error-prone.

    7. Re:Temperature Fascists by ObjetDart · · Score: 1
      I don't mind a cold office if it's also cold outside. This means that a) I will have brought warm clothes with me anyway and b) they aren't wasting as much energy heating the place.

      What drives me crazy is when it's 90 degrees outside and they have the A/C cranked so low that I have to wear gloves inside to keep my hands from aching. This is just nuts, and it seems to be the case in every office I've ever worked in. We don't need to waste so much energy refrigerating ourselves during the summer!

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    8. Re:Temperature Fascists by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      you just invited the "get another job" argument, from some kid that's sitting in mommy's basement refusing to work in lieu of Everquest.

    9. Re:Temperature Fascists by arivanov · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It is not just Reynauds disease.

      If you have had a burn or freeze above 2nd degree on more then 30% of your hands you will have similar problems. Under 20C you are likely to start experiencing pains in your hands after less then an hour of typing (speaking out of personal experience here).

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    10. Re:Temperature Fascists by Have+Blue · · Score: 1

      The problem with that attitude is that some people's faces and hands are sensitive to temperature, and those are much harder to clothe without impeding functionality.

    11. Re:Temperature Fascists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If she's too cold then the bitch should wear more clothes to work. Ever heard of gloves??

    12. Re:Temperature Fascists by Rallion · · Score: 1

      You're a moron. I'm pretty much exactly the average weight for my height. My ideal temperature is about 68, wearing shorts and a t-shirt. Above 75, I get really uncomfortable. Adjust for additional pieces of clothing.

      Usually, a...er...larger person is more likely to feel colder, not warmer, because they usually have much slower metabolisms than a skinny person. It's the skin that gets cold first, not the fat-insulated internals.

    13. Re:Temperature Fascists by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      you preach to the choir. I'm just calling out all the children of company men that usually jump all over shit like that telling the grandparent to "get another job and stop wasting the courts' time"

    14. Re:Temperature Fascists by Mattintosh · · Score: 1

      72(all temperatures in this post are Fahrenheit, so get a calculator and simmer down, Euro-boy) is considered the "ideal" indoor temperature. Keeping the temperature higher costs more. Keeping it lower costs WAY more.

      I work with commercial HVAC controls all the time (I work for an Automated Logic dealer) and I can tell you with the authority of a fair dose of experience that people don't have a clue what temperature they're comfortable at. No clue at all. Not even when beaten with a clue stick.

      77 is hot. 65 is cold. We generally set our systems to keep a zone between 72 and 74. Some customers (especially school districts) like to drop that "standard" differential to 70-73. A wider range uses less energy (turning equipment on and off gets very expensive) and lowering the temperature allows the heat to cycle off for longer periods (thus saving energy). All this energy savings adds up to $$Your-Tax-Dollars-At-Work$$ being used for other things that are more important, like teaching the kids.

      Other customers (like building management companies) like to keep rigid rules about the tolerances in certain rooms (like data centers) to keep the room cool. They're usually a set-it-and-forget-it situation, unless something breaks. Then you have to fix it right now.

      Still other customers (like office buildings) will just let the workers run them ragged with every breeze that ruffles their hair, changing setpoints constantly. They're the ones we love to hate, since they're always complaining about the decision they made yesterday to lower/raise the temperature and how it made things too cold/hot and now they're uncomfortable again. All too frequently, we find that these people need a good bitchslapping. We also find that frequently, their problems are caused by a poorly designed building and/or their desire to have control of something in their hectic, pointless lives.

      I fear all too many /.'ers fit into this last category and would love to escape. Knowledge is power, and now you know. Do something about it. Don't just gripe about "Temperature Facists".

    15. Re:Temperature Fascists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      So, now everyone else in the office has to suffer because your girlfriend has some disease? I don't think so, bub. Tell your girlfriend to wear gloves.

    16. Re:Temperature Fascists by xenoandroid · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah because we all know how much easier it is to type with mittens or gloves if it's your hands that are too stiff cold to type properly.

    17. Re:Temperature Fascists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Listen, that stupid cunt of a girlfriend of his is the one that should have to make sacrifices. Cut the fingertips off the gloves. Or glue little thimble-like plastic thingies to the fingertips of the gloves. But oh no, we all have to turn the temperature up because Princess Is Cold. What a stupid cunt. I hate these bitches.

    18. Re:Temperature Fascists by nospmiS+remoH · · Score: 1

      Okay then, explain why fat people are tend to be hot and sweaty? Or why animals like seals and whales that live in very cold climates are covered in a thick layer of fat to keep them warm?

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    19. Re:Temperature Fascists by lost_n_confused · · Score: 1

      Just as your gf has a problem with lower temp I have a problem with higher temps I get sick to my stomach if the office is too warm. I keep the computer room I work in at 60 year round and it is comfortable in causal clothes. I live in the northern part of the US in the Midwest and I don't bother to wear a coat outside ever because I am totally comfortable at 10 degres F with no coat. Bottom line it that it will be impossible to use one setting to meet the needs of all people. If they want to add me to that study. I am sitting at a desk right now in a room that is 72 and I am feeling ill. I need to step outside to start feeling better.

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    20. Re:Temperature Fascists by k4w0ru · · Score: 1

      70 or lower is horrible if you're not wearing a T-Shirt, a dress-shirt, and a tie. Keep it higher than 70. If people are hot, too bad: they can wear less clothes. People who always bitch about it being "too hot" and try to get the temp decreased are one of my big pet peeves. My workplace is always freezing, even in the summer. Damn Temperature Fascists.

    21. Re:Temperature Fascists by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 1

      And even if you aren't arrested, once you're down to your skin you can't go any further without making a bloody mess, whereas there is no limit to how warmly you can dress.

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    22. Re:Temperature Fascists by Eric+Savage · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but I don't think that being annoyed by other people's ignorance (excepting rare diseases/conditions) could be considered ignorant. I'm an exceptionally warm person (I'm sure someone has a name for such a condition), such that I live in Boston and don't own a sweater or sweatshirt, only a jacket for when its really cold and gloves when its under 10 degrees. An office at or above 70F would be almost intolerable, to the point where I would start failing at my duties. I don't think my reason (or the ignorant clod's) is any less valid than your GF's, its not like there's anything I can do about it.

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    23. Re:Temperature Fascists by Blymie · · Score: 1

      Too cold to type properly?

      This happens at 20F, not at 50F!

      This is quite obviously a definite case of climatization and physical makeup.

      Heck, I know _many_ people that sleep in the winter with their windows open at least a bit, and this is when it's -20C (not sure about F here)! I think about the only time I *completely* close my windows in the bedroom is when it drops below 30C or 40C.

      I find it very uncomfortable to sleep if my room is above 40F(5C). I like my living room at 12-14C (about 50-55F).

      Anything else and I've very non-productive.

    24. Re:Temperature Fascists by xenoandroid · · Score: 1

      Yeah well at those temperatures my fingers will not move as easily and as fast as they do at my comfortable 72-75F.

    25. Re:Temperature Fascists by Blymie · · Score: 1


      I don't doubt you, but it's all about climate, where you grew up, what your body is used to, etc.

    26. Re:Temperature Fascists by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      Keep it at 70 or lower. If people are cold, too bad: they can wear more clothes...Damn Temperature Fascists.

      Hello, Mr. Pot. Let me introduce msyself. My name is Sr. Kettle. I really don't think I'm going to lug my winter clothes to the office every day during the summer. Personally, I use a space heater in my...uuuhh...space. So go ahead and set the temp to "winter wonderland".

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    27. Re:Temperature Fascists by Associate · · Score: 1

      The same people who bitch about it being too hot and that somebody else should put more clothes on are usually the same ass holes that ridicule people when they do.
      Why yes, I am cold as a matter of fact. No, I'm not hot with this leather jacket on. No, it doesn't matter that it's only September.
      A good number of people who are always hot, never think it may mean there's something wrong with them. Yet they shovel away two giant greazy burgers, stupid-size(tm) fries, large milkshake and a diet coke. No, it couldn't possibly be the high blood pressure from eating all those salty fries.
      If you're cold, put more clothes on. If you're hot, take some off. But don't bitch at people because they fix their own damned problems. m|n

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    28. Re:Temperature Fascists by Powercntrl · · Score: 1

      70 or lower? You must be one of those people that when moving to Florida won't buy a 1,800sq ft. house without first DEMANDING the builder/seller install a 5 ton A/C system, heat load calculations be damned. I know your type, if ice cubes aren't flying from the registers, you're not happy.

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    29. Re:Temperature Fascists by Rallion · · Score: 1

      Hah, funny. 145lbs, 5'8".

  48. WTF just turn off the AC by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

    It's 68 in here year round. During the summer, if they just set the AC to 74-75 it'd be more comfortable and I could spend less time shivering.

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  49. Conclusion unwarranted by wombatmobile · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When the office temperature in a month-long study increased from 68 to 77 degrees Fahrenheit, typing errors fell by 44 percent and typing output jumped 150 percent.

    Those data don't warrant the conclusion "Warm Offices Boost Productivity."

    The improvement could simply be a result of the change. The gains might not be sustained over time. Lowering the temperature another 3 degrees six weeks later could also yield an improvement.

    A change is as good as a holiday.

    Warmth may seem great when you lack it but then the same can be said for coolness.

    1. Re:Conclusion unwarranted by wombatmobile · · Score: 2, Funny

      those morons jump on trendy bandwagons faster than 14 year old girls.

      yeah? Around here morons jump on 14 year old girls quicker than anything.

    2. Re:Conclusion unwarranted by bearwayne · · Score: 1

      And could it simply be that people in Florida might be accustomed to warmer temperatures and might prefer 77F/25C? Try that in Montreal/London/Copenhagen/Anchorage and see what happens!

  50. Bad Joke by spleck · · Score: 1

    Type that ass...

  51. horribly wrong by ForsakenRegex · · Score: 1

    I have a hard enough time keeping the rail-thin business people from turning the thermostat up to 85 every chance they get without a study telling them it's more productive. I'm somewhat irritated this was even posted simply for the chance it might spread via Slashdot readers mentioning it.

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  52. Cold hands can't type by upsidedown_duck · · Score: 3, Insightful


    At one office I worked in, my hands would become almost immobile and typing was often difficult.

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    1. Re:Cold hands can't type by ab762 · · Score: 1

      There was a early HP one-piece machine that vented the exhaust air up through the keyboard. A lovely machine for a cold morning. (It was a BASIC machine, with some funky built-in tape system, a five digit number, and GPIB/HPIB peripherals. I used it around 1973-75 in a machine shop, where it ran CNC software to make punched paper tape for a "wire EDM" machine.)

  53. Warm Puppy Syndrome by Daeyin · · Score: 1

    In the lab I work in the thermostat and heat registers are kept in two different parts of a large room divided by some bookshelves. Result: Thermowar. I come in, sit at my desk, and it's coooooold (sometimes near 60). So, I go turn the thermostat up to a lovely 68. Heat registers pump out heat, but by the time it reaches the thermostat it's close to 70F in my part of the lab. So, we turn the heat down. But, then it's too cold for people on the other end of the lab, who turn the heat up making my area like a trip to Guantanamo (without the snazzy orange suit). So, thermostat goes down, other workers get cold, pump it up. This goes on all day long. The result of my own personal study: after 71F, I start to get WPS (Warm Puppy Syndrome). To see what I am talking about, take one (1) puppy and apply heat and food liberally.

    1. Re:Warm Puppy Syndrome by Random_Goblin · · Score: 1
      The result of my own personal study: after 71F, I start to get WPS (Warm Puppy Syndrome). To see what I am talking about, take one (1) puppy and apply heat and food liberally.

      ok i've done some testing on this but do you really start drooling, twitching slightly and smelling of slightly sweet puppy poo?

      Of course after WPS comes Hot Puppy Syndrome, tongue out, tendency to fall over and chew at the air making whiney noises till someone comes and takes you out of the hot sun.(insert comment about maddogs and englishmen here)

      Interestingly under UK heath and safety law there is a minimum temperature the working office needs to be, but no maximum.
  54. How about the equipment? by THESuperShawn · · Score: 1

    Workers might like it warm, but the equipment doesn't. Especially in the data center. I wonder if there are higher costs associated with cooling the data center in an area with a higher ambient temperature? Would those costs be enough to offset the increased production of the workers?

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  55. Temperature in Hospitals by DanTekGeek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Interestingly enought, they keep the air temp in hospitals cold for that exact reason. The cold snap helps keep the Docs on edge.

  56. Reminds me of idea by Apreche · · Score: 2, Funny

    I had this idea a while ago. That I should make a software company that has no office building. It would consists of a cabana, lots of really comfortable beach chairs, a big safe to store important stuffs in, and a wire box with network/server and a WAP. All the employees would lounge about by the pool, or in the pool with waterproof laptops, doing work and connecting via wireless.

    I mean seriously, what beats coding on the beach? And customers would love to do business with us even if we charged more than the competition. I think its a winner. Every day will be Hawaiian shirt day.

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  57. Warmer offices is politically correct term for... by FerretFrottage · · Score: 5, Funny

    sweatshops...hence the productivity increase.

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  58. Sedentary jobs by Shotgun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A sedentary job at 68degrees is a nightmare. Just cool enough to not have the shivers kick in until you have been chilled to the bone. The cold sort of sneaks up on you. I'd prefer 58, as the urge to grab a coat and a cup of coffee is immediate. Now when I moved furniture for a living, 68 was PERFECT weather (you had to actually do something before working up a sweat).

    I'd also guess that this study was comprised of mostly women. Women tend to be lighter (less body mass), and be comfortable at a slightly higher temperature than men. I would find 77 to be a sweltering hell after about 4 or 5 hours. Winter in my house is always interesting, as my wife wants the thermostat on 80 and I try to find a room with an open window.

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  59. Not sure about the productivity aspect, but... by EvilOpie · · Score: 2, Informative

    This seems to be an interesting story. I'm not sure that I'm more productive when I'm warm (probably a bit of the opposite if it gets too warm), but I do find that it helps me to make less errors. I guess I never thought about it like that before.

    See, when my hands get cold I tend to make more typing mistakes. One of the computers in my office has a vent blowing right across my hands when I use the keyboard on it. If I work on it for too long (I'd say over an hour and up) my fingers tend to get cold and my typing rate goes down. I guess it's probably due to a lack of flexibility in my fingers.

    Still, I think I'd prefer that to having my office set at 77 degrees. That's almost uncomfortably warm for me, and It'd probably just put me to sleep.

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  60. Conflicts with other research. by sakusha · · Score: 1

    This doesn't agree with another similar study I recall reading quite a few years ago. A group of college students were given written tests (similar to everyday college class tests) under controlled temperature conditions. The students who took the tests under cooler conditions scored better than students in warmer conditions. Humidity was also tested, moderately high humidity also improved test scores, but after a certain point, it gets too humid and scores declined.
    Perhaps there is a difference in environmental effects between relatively mechanical work like typing, and purely mental activities like test taking.

  61. My tropical office by Therlin · · Score: 1

    I keep my office in the 75-76 range and people often say "your office is always warm!" So now I welcome people to "my tropical office."

    I'm not sure if my productivity is any higher, but I do know that when it's cold, I don't seem to work as well. I rather be cozy while I work, I just seem to do better. My fingers don't hurt while I type like when it's considerably cooler in my office.

  62. Maybe so but by kalpol · · Score: 1

    Warm bodies boost productivity too.

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  63. Mind bogglingly stupid study. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    No correlation of humidity on productivity. And secondly, the study tests workers in Florida who are aclimated to much warmer temperatures. 68 F is freezing to southerners but is okay for northerners as long as you don't engage in any physical activity.

  64. this is dumb by avandesande · · Score: 1

    Studies have shown people are more alert in a cooler environment...
    And just about every place I have worked with stacks of cpus had to cool even in the winter....

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  65. Really and I just thought I hated working by cabodine · · Score: 1

    Here is one for you,

    Old people like to retire where it is warm, and birds migrate to the warmer climates.

    By nature we are influenced by weather when it is rainy and crappy out more often then not people are feelin extra crappy and crank. Where as if it is nice and sunny and warm then most people will much happier.

    So then people that have a work enviroment that is more to there liking make them more productive.

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  66. I'm doubtful of their experiment by bigberk · · Score: 1

    They are measuring environmental conditions inside the office where workers are working (fine) but there is an implied causation that e.g. higher temperatures cause better productivity, because workers are exhibiting fewer keystroke errors correlating with the higher temperatures.

    What if you look outside the box (building)?

    Strains on the HVAC system causing fluctuations in internal environmental conditions, are caused by variations in the external weather (outdoors environment). Perhaps on nice warm days, workers feel happier on their way to work and are more upbeat. During shitty weather they want work to fsck off.

    So this does not mean that you can just crank up the heating inside a building and get better worker productivity. That would be a naive interpretation.

  67. Warm ? - Are you crazy ? by bushboy · · Score: 1

    Bloody hell, there's nothing worse that a warm office, unless of course your a woman !

    The perfect temperature for an office is around 20°C/68°F if your a guy.

    For women, the perfect temperature would be around 40°C/104°F, or at least you would think so ;)

    Where on earth the get the idea that a warm office makes you more productive I just don't know - more bullshit stats. It just makes you sleepy.

    It's like some other stupid stats I read about the sex of babies - according to a study on about 3000 couples, they are more likely to have a boy if they live together. Yep folks, the results were 51% boy, 49% girl - for christ sake, who funds this rubbish ?

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    1. Re:Warm ? - Are you crazy ? by bushboy · · Score: 1

      Hmm, guess I didn't post that correctly as my degrees has been mangled to code.

      Perfect office temp 20C/68F for guys
      For women 40C/104F :)

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  68. This article could be a life saver by forgetmenot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the new building where I work IT has it's own closed off area so we can work in peace and harmony. Only problem is, to save money, the CEO decided IT doesn't need it own thermostat. One half of the room is controller by a thermostat down the hall in the IT manager's office, and the other half of the room is controller by the thermostat on the other side of the building in the accounting department's office right under a heating vent. I tell you... we either freeze to death or sweat our guts out. One of the girls here generally moves into the server room to do her work during the winter. At any rate, I was pretty miffed about IT having to suffer like this - I've had a cold non-stop for about the past year and half - just to save a few dollars on building costs. I'm forwarding this article to the powers that be and hope they take it to heart before I die of pneumonia.

  69. Tropical brain power by overmeer · · Score: 4, Funny

    See this is why hawaiians can come up with things like a G4 emulator at 80% host speed.

  70. Obvious by technopinion · · Score: 1

    When the office is too cold, my fingers are too stiff to type efficiently.

  71. Typing errors fell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    i wuold'nt be so shure of taht

  72. Snooze by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I had an astrophysics prof in college from India who said in class, I kid you not, "It is very warm in here. It puts you to sleep. Maybe that is why the cooler northern countries have been historically more advanced industrially." Dunno if there is any truth to that but it certainly woke me up.

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    1. Re:Snooze by cmburns69 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think the reason that the northern countries are historically more advanced in industry is because of the season cycle. In a tropical area, there is rarely a food shortage. You can harvest what you want, when you want it.

      In a cooler climate, where nothing grows during the winter, you'd better have that supply of food built up-- Or you'll starve. It's a simple matter of necessity.

      However, when my fingers are cold, I cannot type very well. But when they're warm, they just fly across the keyboard!

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    2. Re:Snooze by ebuck · · Score: 1

      And that's the reason he's an Astrophysics professor.

      Professors eventually make silly comments about other fields becuase they sometimes forget that they are master of their domain but not always even competent in another's.

      A business professor would give you an entirely different reason, probably one having to do with distribution chains, monetary options, supply of raw materials, government support, cheap labor supply, etc.

      My favorite "professor" quote came from a history professor who (as an aside) was telling us that there were all kinds of corporations: partnerships, limited-liability practices, and sole-propriatorships. I nearly fell on the floor, as not one of his expamles was a corporation.

      Or if your professor was a sly one, mabye he was just trying to get your attention with a subtle joke.

    3. Re:Snooze by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Whether the root cause is food or not, I don't know, but in Britain, labour was relatively expensive, wheras in India, labour was cheap.

      So, if you're running a textile business, and you need to power a fabric loom, you have India do all the work with their manual looms and skilled workforce.

      Domestic work would of course be more profitable, but there aren't nearly as many skilled people working the looms in Britain.

      Slavery inhibited this need in the Roman empire, but in Britian, it was nowhere near as prevalent... not enough slaves.

      ...so somebody figured out that you could get more work out of people if you began using water-powered looms, then steam powered looms, then you used British government to restrict the sales of cheaper and superior Indian textiles, finally forcing Indians to buy more expensive, inferior textiles from Britain...

      Slavery might have inhibitied this need in the Americas, but one thing came with the American conquerors that the Romans never had... guns. The development, sale and distribution of firearms was a technological boon for the Americas. Then came the railway... this covered the creation of a coal-engine-fine machinery industry across the country which could be tapped for both skills and resources to create new technologies like the wireless and so forth.

      When the British machinery was used in the U.S., the need for slavery or slave-wages was reduced and eventually eliminated, only the most unscrupulous designer labels practicing slavery or wage-slavery today.

      But food probably does play a part in dictating why there was so much cheap labour in India v.s. Britain, it's tough to say... it's just as remarkable to look at why Rome didn't develop modern technology as why Britain and the Americas did.

    4. Re:Snooze by mikael · · Score: 1

      it's just as remarkable to look at why Rome didn't develop modern technology as why Britain and the Americas did.

      They very nearly did... One of the famous inventors (Archimedes?) came close to inventing a steam engine. Use hot coals to heat water into steam, and is ejected through a rotating arm with holes at both ends. The arm rotates, builds up momentum which allows you to turn an axle. This would have worked as a way of transporting goods, but the authorities were worried the slaves would riot if there was no work for them.

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    5. Re:Snooze by themaidtricks · · Score: 1

      It's a commonly known fact that people are more alert/productive in cooler temperatures. What this means is simply that when they were in cold areas, it was cold outside, but warm indoors because they had to use the heater. Usually when people use the heater in the winter they go overboard, especially in offices where it's hard to please everybody. When they moved to warmer climate, they had to use air conditioning more often, and usually people have the air conditioning on very cold. Personally, I find that moving between air conditioned buildings and the hot outdoors gives me headaches, while moving between the cold outdoors and heated inside has no effect. Anybody else get this way? Might it have to do with the fact that I am from Connecticut? Perhaps the field of climatology is not so boring after all.

    6. Re:Snooze by jthayden · · Score: 1

      I'd argue that the reason the colder North is more advanced is because in the winter time what else was there to do but sit around in you cabin. Granted most people just sat around drinking Beer, but some people actually used the time for other things like thinking and improving their limited technology. When it is warm outside, people worked themselves to the bone, but in the cold, the only thing to do is get indoors.

    7. Re:Snooze by ashayh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This has to be the most useless study ever conducted.
      Most of the time it's so hot in India it drains you so much you simply cannot work to full capacity (esp in an IT job) without an AC.
      I know the difference an air conditioner made for me.

      Maybe instead of spending money on this study this guy should have tried to get a job in New Delhi or attend University in Pune, where I've given college tests in 40+ C (105 F). Or he could have gone to South US (Texas, Florida).

      I also know the difference since coming to Pennsylvania. When the heatings not fully on and its 55F in the house, you can bundle up and tap away at your keyboard... Freezing temperatures simply do not sap your strength like the heat. You can bundle up and spend hours outside in snowy weather but you won't feel tired when you get home. Not so when its 35+ outside.
      Every try cycling/running in cold weather ? I've used my bike in 10F and let me tell you its a lot more comfortable than cycling in 100F.

      Humans need comfortable temperatures to do their best.(duh!) But I would prefer it to be cold outside and use heating indoors than the other way round. Atleast one can go outdoors...

      There are some Canadians in my friends office in India. Their first few days are spent exclaiming "Ooooh ! its so nice and warm here!". This does not last for more than a few weeks...then they go back to jumping in a cooled car and hiding in a cooled office.

    8. Re:Snooze by Mattintosh · · Score: 1

      The humidity is causing that, most likely.

      In summer, the humidity outside is high, but in air-conditioned buildings, the humidity is low (it's all dripping from the condenser coil).

      In winter, the humidity outside is low, and the hot air inside still has low humidity.

    9. Re:Snooze by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 1

      It could also be a difference in air pressure. That can cause headaches in buildings just as easily as in airplanes. Was there a big wind trying to equalize the pressure whenever you opened the outside doors?

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    10. Re:Snooze by Gorobei · · Score: 1


      it's just as remarkable to look at why Rome didn't develop modern technology as why Britain and the Americas did.

      They very nearly did... One of the famous inventors (Archimedes?) came close to inventing a steam engine.


      WTF? Archimedes was a Greek. The Romans killed him.

    11. Re:Snooze by Profound · · Score: 1

      The idea that people from cooler climates are more industrious and noble was a very popular theory during Victorian times in England. The English had great respect for the hardworking Nordic people and it probably didn't hurt in justifying the domination of tropical countries under the British Empire.

      George Orwell debunked this by stating if you took this argument to its extreme, then the Eskimos would be the most industrious and hardworking people in the world.

    12. Re:Snooze by k98sven · · Score: 1

      It's not a new idea, trying to correlate climate and society..

      Although, he likely wasn't the first to ever have the idea, the first well-known example of it is Montesquieu's climate theory.

      Of course.. it's still a bogus idea. Naturally climate is a factor in the development of society, but history hardly suggests it's the most important one.

      Civilization first developed in warm places. And about 1000 years ago, the Caliphate of north africa was far more advanced and 'civilized' than Europe.. The industrial advantage of northern countries is a relatively new phenomenon, historically.

      I know an Indian guy who said that the greatest contribution the English made to the industrialization of India was the introduction of trousers, being a far more suitable form of clothing to work in than traditional indian clothing...

  73. controlling for time by maomoondog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In the slides, it's pretty clear that office temperature increased throughout the day on average, while errors decreased throughout the day. How do they know this isn't more about awakeness than than temperature?

    Large scale data collection in the field is great, but you gotta make up for in analysis all the precautions you didn't take during experimental design....

  74. Sorry, but it's true by name_already_taken · · Score: 1
    Insightful? This is an overgeneralization and sexism. Sweet hell, what are you mods on?

    Maybe today's moderators are commercial property managers. I used to be (18000 sq. ft building, 35-40 people), and I can tell you it's true. Some women just can't get enough of turning the thermostat up or down. Not all women do this, but if someone was touching the thermostat, 95 times out of 100 it was one of the women.

    Heaven help anyone who has a thermostat and a woman going through menopause in their office. We had a lady who would adjust the thermostat four or five times a day.

    Lockboxes on all five thermostats throughout the building solved that problem, although she still tried to stick a letter opener in through the slots in the lock box. (Strangely, there were six HVAC zones, but we could only find five of the thermostats. We think one of them was buried inside a wall during a remodel.)

    We only have one woman in the office now since we relocated and downsized (six employees total), and she still gets up and looks at the thermostat but she's considerate enough to not change the setting. None of the men have ever touched the thermostat except for me, and I only make seasonal adjustments to it.

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  75. *rolls eyes* by Toby+The+Economist · · Score: 1

    150% increase in productivity?

    Switching from assembler to a high level language doesn't give that much of an increase.

    Raising the office temperature by 5C does?

    My ass it does.

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  76. Random conclusion... by l4m3z0r · · Score: 2, Funny

    The hotter it is the more productive workers are. Logical conclusion for my management, I better start wearing shorts to work, or perhaps a bathrobe because I fully expect to come into work tomorrow to face sauna-like conditions.

  77. Scrooge by OneDeeTenTee · · Score: 1

    Scrooge should have gave Cratchet more coal, he would have worked harder.

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  78. bullshit... by hyperstation · · Score: 1

    i work in sunny south florida, and i'm still reading slashdot just like i did in colder climates...

  79. Florida? by tsg · · Score: 1

    In the study, which was conducted at Insurance Office of America's headquarters in Orlando, Fla.,

    News flash: People in Florida like it warm. They are acclimated to warmer temperatures. This is a city whose average high is 73 in December and it rarely gets below 45. Take the same study to Burlington, Vermont for instance, and they'll find out that people work better at 68 rather than 77.

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  80. Spin that wheel, run that ratrace, little rodent! by Cryofan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The responses on this thread just illustrate perfectly the degree of brainwashing of most Americans. The corporate regime has been able to get Americans to go along with the idea that everyone should spend their lives working hard just like little hamsters on their wheels, little rats running their mazes.

    Americans should see America as a business, but one where THEY are the owners, and not the worker drones. Do you see business owners worrying about how "productive" they are, about how many words per minute THEY type? Instead of worrying about helping the corporate plantation squeeze as much work as possible out of ourselves, we should be thinking about how America can be organized so that we have as little work to do as possible.

    Life is finite, people....

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  81. Bullshit by cartman · · Score: 1

    I've been around long enough in the computer industry to have seen hundreds of studies like this produced over decades. Every one claims some remarkable productivity increase through some environmental change: raise the temperature, lower the temperature, paint the walls green, have everyone program in a big "war room," have everyone program in separate offices, have people program in pairs, waft chamomile scents through the air, conduct team building exercises, etc etc. Each time, the study claims huge productivity increases (>200%). None of the studies are ever replicated by anyone else. When their recommendations are put into practice, productivity always remains the same.

    The lesson is this. There is no trendy, simple way of doubling productivity. There is no magic bullet. And, isolated studies can be quite mistaken.

  82. As a San Diego resident... by msimm · · Score: 1

    I can say in complete confidence, hot offices kill productivity too. Aside from making staff miserable, it also makes it...you guessed it, hard to stay awake! Yay!

    Personally, having grown up in the North West I'd take a cold office over a hot office any day. I don't mind wearing a sweater or a parka or whatever, but bosses tend to get kind of wierd when you start stripping down to your skivvies. :)

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  83. Now I know why they make this place a living hell by behindthewall · · Score: 1

    'nuff said

  84. Besides... by SimonShine · · Score: 1

    ..., the Bat Cave only comes in one temperature.

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  85. Quite the opposite by dargaud · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm at my most productive when I'm in Antarctica. I'm going to be a lone coder for the first winter over at Dome C, starting next months.

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    1. Re:Quite the opposite by Quixote · · Score: 2, Funny

      Err, hate to break it to ya chief, but Antarctica is in the Southern Hemisphere, which means it is going to be summer there starting next month.

    2. Re:Quite the opposite by Kiryat+Malachi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, but summer in Antarctica is still freaking cold. Winter in Chicago is warmer than summer in Antarctica. An average summer temp of 0C at the coast and around -30 on the plateau. Where is Dome C? On the plateau.

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    3. Re:Quite the opposite by grcumb · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wow, Antarctica, that's pretty wild.

      I'm currently working in the tiny island nation of Vanuatu in the South Pacific. Here, the temperature is seldom less than 23-25, and frequently warmer. Everyone here at the office is extremely productive.

      (Whoops, back in a second. There's someone selling green coconuts. Gotta get a drink....)

      Sorry, what was I saying? Oh yeah, productivity, right. Yeah it's great here in Vanuatu because

      Heh, sorry, got cut off by my boss. I'm heading out to the beach this afternoon, and he wants to know if I want to borrow his surf board.

      So yeah, the level of productivity in the tropics is *way* higher than in colder places because... Man! That music is great! Sorry, all the windows are open here in the office, and there's a string band playing somewhere outside. Sounds of the islands. Love it, man. Love it.

      Anyway, so I was saying that this study is right on the money, because the temperature here is usually in the high twenties. In fact, it's really comfortable. That means I remain alert and productive at all timezzzmmmmmmz,,

      Heh, sorry. Dozed off for a second there. Listen, I'll finish this right after lunch. Here in Vanuatu we take a 2 hour lunch, because of the heat. Time zone differences mean that you'll probably be asleep by the time I get back, so how about I just finish this up tomorrow, huh?

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    4. Re:Quite the opposite by dargaud · · Score: 1

      RTFLink. We start the summer campaign and then stay throughout the winter.

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  86. Outsourcing for ... temperature? by Jon-1 · · Score: 1

    Sorry bluelip but I think your WAY off base thinking that companies outsource to have more productive offices - via temperature. How about benefits, insurance and (the mother of all reasons) no payroll taxes. (At least the article didn't come to the same conclusion.)

    1. Re:Outsourcing for ... temperature? by KillerDeathRobot · · Score: 1

      I was wondering if the comment about offshoring was really a joke or what, because there are plenty of warm places in the US. Lots of companies are already based in warm climates, in California, Texas, the Carolinas, etc.

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  87. Re:... and Iran Supports Bush! by strictfoo · · Score: 1

    Ahh, I see you read the AP version of the story, which omits a very important quote to clearly push a viewpoint. Here's the AFP version (yes, the Agence France-Presse):

    TEHRAN, Oct 19 (AFP) - It makes no real difference to Iran whether US President George W. Bush or Democrat contender John Kerry wins the presidential elections, a senior Iranian official said Tuesday.

    "It makes no difference for us which of the two parties wins the elections," Iran's top national security official Hassan Rowhani said in an interview on state television.

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  88. Hot Offices by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Too much heat gives me headaches and causes co-workers to spend time complaining its too hot.. Doesnt improve anything...

    "warm" as an abstract word is useless..

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  89. hmmm...... by ptr2004 · · Score: 1

    Now the office is warm and I also have excuses :) http://info.indiatimes.com/it/slide/1.html

  90. Obvious for a long time by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1

    The best ROI is from a sweatshop.

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  91. Depends on work! Exams best cold. by redelm · · Score: 1
    I assume the researchers were modestly competant and did a Hawthorn-defeating check back. It shouldn't have passed peer-review without.

    The results aren't too surprising for pure neuromotor tasks like typing transcription. Muscles and tendons work a good deal better when warmed-up. Hands loose heat quickly.

    Older studies of more cerebral tasks (writing exams) have shown an optimum much colder, around 50'F (10'C). I have successfully written exams much colderi 40'F (5'C) , yet still found myself heated and sweating from the mental effort by the end.

  92. seems like by gone.fishing · · Score: 1

    With all the bosses in most offices, there should be no shortage of hot air.

  93. There was an old IQ study ... by wytcld · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There was a study decades ago where IQ tests were administered at different temperatures. It turned out we're smartest (as measured by those tests, anyhow) at about 45 degrees F, and decline above that.

    Then again, intelligence may not correlate with the urge to produce. Wasn't there that study out a few weeks back showing that monkeys were more "productive" at a repetitive task if their neuronal reward circuits were disabled? Those who still experienced the pleasure of reward would put off work until just before the reward was anticipated, while those without the pleasure would just keep working no matter when.

    So maybe warm = stupid = less feeling of accomplishment, but "paradoxically" if you're performing some drone task may make the boss very happy with the consequences.

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  94. Complete bull, not science by SysKoll · · Score: 1
    From the article:

    In the study, which was conducted at Insurance Office of America's headquarters in Orlando, Fla., each of nine workstations was equipped with a miniature personal environment-sensor for sampling air temperature every 15 minutes.

    So 9 induhviduals is a valid sample for the good Professor? Where is the control group?

    I can see why clueless media would report such tripe. However, I cannot believe that a scientist would actually put his name on such a "study". Prof Alan Hedge, professor of design and environmental analysis and director of Cornell's Human Factors and Ergonomics Laboratory, a pox on your house for your lousy work and your low standards. You just gave a bad name to Cornell.

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  95. Psych 101 by IcyHando'Death · · Score: 1

    The Hawthorne effect is widely know and widely taught in psychology curricula. It is also easily corrected for by using a control group. I think it's safe to assume that any study that actually gets published has done so.

  96. Re:...and Iran supports Bush! by strictfoo · · Score: 1

    The author of the AP story that claimed that strangely enough saw fit not to include this quote (which the AFP story does). Wonder why that is?

    TEHRAN, Oct 19 (AFP) - It makes no real difference to Iran whether US President George W. Bush or Democrat contender John Kerry wins the presidential elections, a senior Iranian official said Tuesday.

    "It makes no difference for us which of the two parties wins the elections," Iran's top national security official Hassan Rowhani said in an interview on state television.


    Maybe you should get outside your little bubble.

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  97. You want warm? by boola-boola · · Score: 2, Informative
    Try moving to [central] Texas. I wear a t-shirt until early December often, and start wearing it again roughly March.

    Oh, and today we will have a high of 94F and 84% relative humidity.

    (I'd kill for a 70F or less office!)

  98. Come to North Carolina then by gelfling · · Score: 2, Funny

    We got plenty of heat and third world humidity. Shit we have vultures and snakefish, cousins marrying cousins, no shoes, poor people and the worlds best white trash rednecks too.

    Come to the Tarheel state. It's like Mumbai except the people don't speak English.

    1. Re:Come to North Carolina then by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

      +1: Bashing my home state and I laughed anyway

      He's right though. In charlotte right now it's chilly, but that's only because by some miracle the humidity isnt through the roof. I'm comfy to cold in long sleeves and cordoroy trousers

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  99. Are you all insane?? by itistoday · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here in Florida I'm lucky if my AC can handle keeping the temperature at 78! For us, 85 is warm, and 75 is a comfortable cool. You pampered bastards...

  100. Here's the link to the study by ikluft · · Score: 1
    For those who want to actually RTFA before commenting., :-) I followed the links and found it here...
    http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/Conferences/EECE_IEQ %20and%20Productivity_ABBR.pdf

    Being from California, this doesn't come as much of a surprise. It's stating the obvious to say people prefer environments that they're comfortable in. That would explain why people who claim to be terrified-of-earthquakes-and-prefer-tornadoes keep moving here.

    BTW, the article does not address what the climate is outdoors. So forget about using this as a justification for your boss to let you telecommute from Florida, as the story-poster suggested.

    The article just looks at effects of indoor temperatures on workers who do brainless keyboarding for an insurance company in Orlando. It would be interesting and undoubtedly different results to find what environments people prefer for coding and other jobs that require thinking. For example, some coders perfer lower light settings. And I'd be inclined to believe each individual's own preference on such things is most likely to be what works best for themselves.

  101. Re:100% - the subjects were being watched by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1
    I'm wondering if maybe since the subjects knew they were being watched, when they turned up the heat physically, it turned up the heat on them psychologically too. It made them sweat a bit, so to speak. In other words, the study is really flawed because the subjects knew they were being watched. How many offices do you know where the people work 100% of the time? I don't know any, unless there is some sort of major crunch going on. People work an hour, stop, take a break for a few minutes (maybe talk to their neighbor), work some more, etc. I haven't seen any place where people were keyboarding 100% of the time. Unless of course you have a sweatshop overseer.

    If they watched in secret, turning up the heat and secretly disabling the local thermostat and controling the temperature from somewhere else, then I think you would get a more realistic result. However, then you would have people freaking out once they knew they were being watched (about privacy etc). That is, unless they could monitor only keystrokes without watching people, and get results that would be useful for interpretation. Legally, in most if not all cases in the United States and Canada (I can't speak about other countries), what's on the computer at work is company property and not the employee's, so technically that wouldn't infringe on privacy. (It might piss people off and create bad feelings, but it wouldn't infringe on privacy.)

    Mind you, they were talking about an insurance company, so they are probably looking at data entry people and the like, not programmers or commputer people in general. Data entry type jobs often do have some sort of 'head clerk/overseer/foreman' watching. So maybe the experiences of the people in this forum don't reflect the environment (no pun intended) of this particular study, and that's why we don't relate to it. In the environment the study was done in, perhaps it is true and the 'turning up the heat physically turns it up psychologically' idea has some merit.

    OUCH! I started thinking. That REALLY hurts. I think I'll go put some ice on my brain.

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  102. Slinging of Bullshit inside "scientific" reports by stock · · Score: 1

    OMG, is _that_ where so-called research institutes abuse their massive DoD funding budgets for ??
    I guess the former well reputed research institute has been evaded with high profile corporate marketing spin-doctors, calling themselves professor or such. Next they publish their report fag at the on-line sales page, where Fortune 500 corporations buy it like cheese cakes. Why? This report is the ultimate scientific spin-doctored proof that even more severe out-sourcing of jobs will boost productivity and thus Corporate Profits.

    This makes me feel sick.

    Robert

  103. CPU Heat by germaniumdiode · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why can't they just shut the heat off completely and rely on the CPUs and monitors to heat the room? Just tell the workers to deal with it and wear extra layers. Its good on the heating bill and keeps the PCs nice and chilly. Think about it, cooler temps help the PCs run better, and makes it so that they break less often (except with n00bs who dont RTFM) thus saving money on PC repair and replacement. So as you can see, keeping the ofice cooler is better on the budget in the long run.

  104. Odd I find the reverse true. by kabocox · · Score: 1

    I find that when we have the temp lowered from 82 F to 78 F we work more. When the temperature is 82 F, all we do is complain about how hot it is. Once upon a time it was 68 F in here, we were very productive then. We had to be or we'd start to chill.

  105. Not a joke by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1
    I worked in a server room for a while and I was very upset when the replaced my old CRT with a black 21 inch LCD. Sure it has a nice image but what about warming my hands up?

    Perhaps I am just a sissy but the room is just cold enough to make my fingers go stiff. The rest of the body I can dress up but you can't type with gloves on.

    Luckily it was only for 2 months and the other work conditions made more then made up for it.

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  106. Strike caused by temperature! by SysKoll · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One of my uncles was a union negociator. He was called whenever the discussions between management and unions went south and his job was to mend things.

    Once, he was called in a machine shop where workers had gone on strike after fighting with management over apparently irrelevant issues.

    After peeling the various layers of gripes, it became clear that tempers had flared for no real discernable reason. And then, my uncle noticed something: It was really warm in the floor (this was in the winter).

    It turned out that the temperature for both the machine floor and the offices were controlled by a thermostat that was in the office of the boss' secretary, an older woman who liked it warm.

    The thermostat was moved to the floor, the boss got a space heater for her secretary, and the work relationships improved markedly.

    So maybe this study is relevant for nine female underactive office clerks. But put machine shop workers wearing their full security attire in a 77F environment, and they will mill your butt off!

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  107. Typing in ski gloves by jwin1020 · · Score: 1

    Putting on more clothes works to a point but there are limits. I've worked in an office that was so cold my hands we're practically numb. Typing in ski gloves really hurts my productivity.

  108. Fingerless Gloves by Venner · · Score: 1

    >>
    "I recomend my highly patentable invention: "typing gloves." Take a pair of cheap wool gloves (army surplus wool gloves work great) and cut the fingers off at the first knuckle (of the gloves, not your hands) and presto! all the warmth of not-cold hands, with the dexterity required to hit 90 wpm."
    >>

    High school marching bands have been doing that for years. I always felt it was kinda' silly, but when your [affordable-for-a-public-school] supplier only has two sizes of gloves and there are more than two sizes of hands, cutting off the tips of the fingers can improve dexterity (and blood flow!)

    However, towards the end of football season, when it begins to snow... you'd wish you'd kept even that little bit of extra warmth. Just the opposite from your intentions :-)

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  109. I call bullshit on this on behalf of men by IronChefMorimoto · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Um, I officially want to call bullshit on this on behalf of all men on the planet stuck in offices that are blisteringly hot...because of women who DO NOT LIKE TO BE COLD.

    This study should've gone further and broken down the data on gender, because I have yet to find a guy in the various offices that I've worked in that thought the temps in the office were TOO COLD to WORK PRODUCTIVELY.

    On the contrary, I've had nearly drop-down-dragged-out fights with the ladies in offices where I've worked because of the thermostat. No -- I'm not a violent man -- I'm not putting smackdown on cold female co-workers. I'm talking about insidious "cold war" (no pun intended) tactics -- surreptitiously bumping UP/DOWN the thermostat on the way to the can; taking informal "polls" asking how COLD people think the office is; etc.

    The only way I've found to combat the never ending "cold ware" in my office is to basically lay down the equivalent of mutually assured grossing out. I basically tell the ladies in the office whining about the cold that I can either take of my shirt to stay cool and let them turn up the heat, or they can put on more clothing.

    Man boobs are a powerful weapon in the hands of the right male.

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    1. Re:I call bullshit on this on behalf of men by CharlieG · · Score: 1

      I finnaly had an office where I was too cold - last week - checked the temps - it was 58

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  110. I can't believe I'm the first to say it!!? by erroneus · · Score: 1

    FAT PEOPLE STINK. Keeping the air cooler reduces their offensive odors. In any given office I've ever been in, at least half and usually closer to 75% of people are overweight with a fair portion of those being morbidly obese. And just like at movie theaters, when there is a variety of people in an indoor setting, you will encounter a wide variety of smells -- good, bad and ugly.

  111. It doesn't by zzyrc · · Score: 1

    Since my employer moved to a new location, I know what warm office means. The windows don't reflect any sun, instead of that black, punctured plastic jalousies are available. This results in up to 35C during summer time, and 25C in the winter if and only if we open windows partially. North side of the building might be colder whenever heating fails.

    May the people who created the study should come here so that they can do something more productive. But in the end they start producing hot air, heating the building even more ;-)

  112. Not my experience by Muttonhead · · Score: 1

    I live in Florida and my brain turns to mush in warm weather. In the 70's I read a Reader's Digest report of a study done by typists in warm vs. cool weather. The warm weather tests produced 800% more mistakes. 77 degrees is still a bit too warm for concentration IMO. I think 74 degrees is the best temperature.

  113. Cool working environment makes for good workers by indian_rediff · · Score: 2, Informative

    All those workers in India (or other locations where development work is being outsourced to) work in COOL Air Conditioned offices - translation - being productive has everything to do with body comfort and nothing to do with excessive warmth in the office.

    As someone above has said, it may have more to do with a change than to do with the actual temperature.

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  114. Planet with two hemispheres by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If that were true, then why isn't there a corresponding set of industrially advanced countries in the cool south?

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    1. Re:Planet with two hemispheres by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      There are; Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Argentina and Chile. The reason that there are not more is that the cool south is mostly ocean.

      Before you say anything, I've travelled extensively throughout South America, and Argentina and Chile are pretty much _not_ third world countries. Having said that, they are not fully first world. They are more like how Spain and Greece were fourty years ago. And in 1900, Argentina had the fourth largest gross national product.

    2. Re:Planet with two hemispheres by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      "If that were true, then why isn't there a corresponding set of industrially advanced countries in the cool south?"

      Oh, you mean like Australia?

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  115. Number of CPU's ? by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 1

    Hmmm, with the UberHurtz CPU's out there it would seem that the greater number of high performance CPU's an office had, the warmer it would be. A greater number of newer machines, may factor in to the productivity data as well.

  116. Something to think about... by jangobongo · · Score: 1

    I find that my productivity goes down when I'm too busy trying warm up my frozen fingers AND I can still fall asleep if its cold.

    Another thing to think about... for every degree colder that the thermostat is set, the air conditioner has to work that much harder to cool the air which translates into more electricity used and more $$$ spent for it. For every degree the thermostat is raised, 2-3% is saved on the electricity bill and you have the added benefit of conserving resources.

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    1. Re:Something to think about... by freqres · · Score: 1

      Maybe in warm climates, but I find when it's 20F outside, raising the thermostat doesn't really save me any money.

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    2. Re:Something to think about... by jangobongo · · Score: 1

      True - this thinking only applies where the outdoor temperature is warmer than the indoor temperature. As I live in Arizona, my mind may be fried by the summer heat.

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  117. The staff were yanking the management's chain by OutOfMyTree · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Oh, come on, read the article. Who ever spends 100% of their time working if they can get away with working only 54% of the time? It looks like the workers in the experiment were trying to get their heating turned up, so they deliberately varied what they did to give the "results" that would get mangement to keep the place warmer.

    "At 77 degrees Fahrenheit, the workers were keyboarding 100 percent of the time with a 10 percent error rate, but at 68 degrees, their keying rate went down to 54 percent of the time with a 25 percent error rate,"

    The workstations had monitoring equipment fitted, the people knew what was going on (well, you wouldn't miss the temperature varying from 68 to 77, would you) and they worked out an appropriate response. Well, nearly appropriate -- that 100% could only be believed by someone with a very pointy head or by someone in a very high ivory tower.

    1. Re:The staff were yanking the management's chain by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

      At 77F the monitoring equipment got too warm and said 100% as a result. ;)

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  118. Machine room is proper temp by kmahan · · Score: 1

    Give me a cold machine room to work in any day. Temp is kept at 66F. Humidity is properly regulated. Plenty of air moving. If you were really hot you could just pop a floor panel and bask in the forced air. The only downside was the sound (Cyber 730s, band printers, disks and tapedrives, modem racks with at least one fan losing a bearing, etc..)

    If the AC went out the environmental monitoring unit would set off loud bells throughout the entire building and things got fixed. Not like when the office gets hot these days and you're told "we'll have it fixed in a couple of days -- keep working."

    Those were the days.. For those that remember the CDC Environmental panel you have to have fond memories of that innocuous button labelled "LAMP TEST". It tested a hell of a lot more than just the lights on that panel. As the unsuspecting operator usually found out during training.

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  119. I think it's more comfortable offices... by karlandtanya · · Score: 1
    Not warm offices.

    For example, when I'm working at LTF in Ohio in Summer, my office consists of either a spool or a picnic table. My chair is either another spool or a parts bin. And it's about 110-120 in the plant.

    Now, when working at MBUSI, my office is still a picnic table. But it's in a cage in an air-conditioned plant. About 70 degrees in the Alabama Summer.

    And the sweat doesn't make my trackball all slippery. And my safety glasses don't fog up when I try to squint at the screen.

    I promise you, I work more "effeciently" in the cooler environment. "Effeciently" in quotes because effeciency is about as consistent in definition as TCO.

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  120. Re:Spin that wheel, run that ratrace, little roden by mwlewis · · Score: 1

    Americans should see America as a business, but one where THEY are the owners, and not the worker drones.

    What does this even mean?

    Do you see business owners worrying about how "productive" they are...?

    Absolutely. If you own a business (or a part of one) then you're very interested in the value of the business. If you happen to also provide output for the business (there are many employee owned companies out there) then you're also very interested in efficiency, because you see a return on it.

    ...we should be thinking about how America can be organized so that we have as little work to do as possible.

    We already do. Some people work more, some people less. Those people who work more don't have to. But for whatever reason, the rewards are enough to do this (they want more cars, vacations, enjoy their work, etc).
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  121. T-shirt AND a shirt? by ThreeDayMonk · · Score: 1

    77 is horrible if you're wearing a T-Shirt, a dress-shirt, and a tie.

    In that case, why not skip the T-shirt?

    (Disclaimer: Fahrenheit temperatures are meaningless to me, so I have no idea whether 77 is hot, cold or reasonable)

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    1. Re:T-shirt AND a shirt? by LetterJ · · Score: 1

      The T-shirt is there for the same reason that most adult men wear underwear under their pants and socks "under" their shoes. It's there as a cheaper buffer between the dirt your body produces and your more expensive clothes.

      In addition, many quality dress shirts are made assuming you *are* wearing an undershirt and are really too see-through to be worn without the undershirt.

      It also tends to cut down on excess friction between your torso and the dress shirt.

  122. Side effects by IcyHando'Death · · Score: 1

    The study neglects to point out is that all productivity increases disappeared when they took into account the effect of the increased levels of B.O. in the office.

  123. Personnal experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    From personnal experience, it might not be because of the temperature per se, but rather WHERE the temperature is warmer. :-)

    I live in Canada, and in the winter months, I hardly see any sunshine. I noticed that people tend to become less energetic during those times.

    In comparison, some time ago I lived in Japan for several years and in the winter months, especially in Tokyo, the sky was invariably bright blue in the morning. I don't know about everyone else, but the mood of peoples around me was very different. (Of course, in Tokyo, during the rainy season, people get just as down as canadians do in winter....)

  124. Outdoor climate != indoor temperature by Crispachu · · Score: 1

    Where do they get this? I've worked in climates near the equator and I can tell you, the fact that it's hot and humid outside has nothing to do with the temperature in the offices. Most people keep jackets at work because the AC is usually jacked way up...

    1. Re:Outdoor climate != indoor temperature by Crispachu · · Score: 1

      (this is in response to the comment about getting bosses to send folks to tropical climates to work btw :))

  125. I LOVE data center cool by Danathar · · Score: 1

    Since working on a Data center floor for years I've become accustomed to sub 70F temperatures. The colder the better!

    Other Data center people I know feel the same way. Am I alone here?

  126. Re:i like warm temperature by stanmann · · Score: 1

    And none of you IDIOTS thought to talk to a lawyer?? How did you find slashdot?

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  127. I can vouch for this by Salsaman · · Score: 1

    On one contract I worked on, the office was regularly freezing cold during the winter months. One day it was so cold I had to code with gloves on. The boss saw this, saw how much it slowed down my work (I managed about 1 keystroke every 5 seconds). The next day a new heater arrived and the office suddenly became warm again :-)

  128. here in the tropics... by adolfojp · · Score: 1

    In Puerto Rico the average temperature inside of an office building is 86F with high humidity. Therefore no money is spent on heating but a LOT is spent on cooling.

    Coding under this weather will drive you insane.

    Cheers,

    Adolfo

  129. Overly flip stuff in every Slashdot lead-in by OnanTheBarbarian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "It looks like the real reason for offshoring is corporations looking for warmer weather."

    Why does every third Slashdot story have to contain some sophomoric, contentious and/or unfounded sentence in the lead-in? These sorts of things generate, as a rule, a huge amount of off-topic flaming and often frame the actual article in question in a distorted light ("Ask Unix Co-Creator (sic) Rob Pike"). It'd be nice if there was a little less raw opinion and random editorializing splattered across the actual stories. It's only a few lines; for heaven's sake try to be a little professional.

    1. Re:Overly flip stuff in every Slashdot lead-in by Gryffin · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It'd be nice if there was a little less raw opinion and random editorializing splattered across the actual stories. It's only a few lines; for heaven's sake try to be a little professional.

      You must be new here. ;{)

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    2. Re:Overly flip stuff in every Slashdot lead-in by indros13 · · Score: 1
      My guess would be that your story is more likely to be posted with some sort of flip or contentious statement. Who wants just the facts when we can have struggle and controversy?

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    3. Re:Overly flip stuff in every Slashdot lead-in by tgd · · Score: 1

      See, its much safer to critisize sophomoric, contentious or unfounded statements in posts unrelated to Microsoft. I did it the IE/Mozilla vulnerability post yesterday where there was a childish dig at IE that was unrelated to the article in question, and I got modded as a troll, not informative.

      Guess I should've picked my battles better!

    4. Re:Overly flip stuff in every Slashdot lead-in by g0at · · Score: 1

      I'm sure it's usually just a vehicle for the "editors" to boost their own egos. The general tone from slashdot "mangement" seems to be that this is their playground, and they frankly couldn't give much rat ass about integrity (of journalism, literacy or otherwise) if it comes above their ability to treat the contributors and readers like playthings.

      After all, we keep trudging back here like sheep, don't we...

      -b

  130. NO SH#$ by Oxide · · Score: 1

    It's 59 F outside. Someone tell me why in the world our ofice building AC is still ON? I'm typing this while feeling pain in my hands from the cold and wearing a jacket inside my office room.

    IT IS FREEZING

  131. Not really news... exam scores by VE3MTM · · Score: 1

    This isn't really news... I've heard teachers say for a long time that a class' score on a test/exam correlates with the temperature in the room. Too cold or too hot, and the score decreases.

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  132. Come visit me in Rochester NY by purduephotog · · Score: 1

    ... in the middle of snow season. If you're really nice, I'll let you climb up the 20 foot ladder to the 2nd story, get on the roof, and shovel snow off the roof (note- it's best not to shovel all of the snow, as you'll slip and fall to a painful death- always leave a 'walking path' of the snow to escape back down the ladder).

    My house sits at 60F. I'm comfortable. My work is allowed to fluctuate between 72 and 81 degrees- which is a royal pain. All to save 'money'.

    1. Re:Come visit me in Rochester NY by Rallion · · Score: 1

      Seriously. Rochester is rough. Incredibly unpredictable weather, too.

    2. Re:Come visit me in Rochester NY by BlakLanner · · Score: 1

      I can second that. Buffalo native here, we get hit even harder than you do.

  133. But they did. by twitter · · Score: 1
    And it will convert almost everything as well. # CONVERT LEAD INTO GOLD ... Darn. And I thought Google could do everything.

    But all the solder in your computer was turned to gold, until you stopped looking at Google. I might be missunderstanding what I know about how Google managed to convert crappy old X86 into lots of money, but I think it had something to do with their software.

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  134. Mod Article -1 by lildogie · · Score: 1

    Warm Offices "causea" increased productivity "causes" offshoring to warmer climates.

    What a crock.

    Editors, what are you smoking, and can I have some, too?

  135. Cold Snap by bytesmythe · · Score: 1

    A few of my co-workers and I participated in an experiment like this at our office where they examined our productivity as a function of room temperature.

    It turns out that at 0 K, all activity came to a complete halt.

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  136. Different theory by Gamasta · · Score: 1

    Well, my post is highly offtopic. But might shed some light to your (or your teacher's) thought:

    While I live in a colder part of Brazil, there are those to the northern parts (warmer) which are considered very lazy and slow (baianos, for instance). Yes, sleeping after eating in a warm climate is very easy.

    But I think that's not the point. I think the point for better tech in cold climates is that if you don't work in the summer, you starve in winter. So you just work a lot... or bears get fat in summer.

    Some people have summer the whole year, and plenty of natural growing food too. Why bother to work when you can get _that_ easy life... but then, it's just a thought.

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  137. What about all the great advances in science? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    It seems that some of universities in colder regions pull off some amazing scientific research. We're always hearing about great things being done in Sweden, the UK, Canada, Iceland, etc. My guess is that if it's too warm everyone hits the beaches and the men are distracted watching women in their revealing summer apparel.

    If all women had to wear several layers of clothing at work I would probably be way more productive. And less likely to end up involved in a sexual harassment suit that could cost a company millions.

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  138. Re:i like warm temperature by Se7enLC · · Score: 1

    Yeah, there's a *great* idea. Lets have a kid making minimum wage at a fast food restaurant throw all his well-earned money at a lawyer. 4 months later when it finally goes through the system it'd have been winter, I wouldn't have been working there anymore, and all they would have done would be to require them to fix the A/C, which they would have done in the spring anyway.

    Do you really think there are OSHA regulations to limit the heat in a KITCHEN? Most kitchens don't even have A/C to begin with, and I'm fairly certain they aren't required to (Think about all those small restaurants and diners you've seen). Think about other occupations where it gets even hotter, are they going to have A/C at a steel mill?

    They had some fans here and there, and while it wasn't a comfortable place to work, I don't think it broke any laws. I think people are a little sue-crazy anyway - save the lawyers for real civil disturbances....like Spyware!

  139. Probably depends on person by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    I think many offices are *too* warm. I often have to carry a personal fan to cool off. I don't think being sweaty or sticky helps productivity. But, it seems that everyone prefers different tempuratures. It seems to me that most females usually complain that it is too cold. Their metabolism is slower than males for the most part. Maybe warmer tempuratures make them more productive, but no me.

    Perhaps productivity levels off when a person reaches a comfortable tempurature and then drops slightly when they are too warm. A productivity chart might look something like this:

    |||||||||| Too Cold
    ||||||||||||||||||||| Comfortable
    ||||||||||||||||| Too Warm

    If this is the curve for an individual, then the overall productivity may rise at higher tempuratures because the drawbacks of those who are too hot does not completely offset those with a slower metabolism brought into the comfort level.

    In other words, the study might reflect an increasing total average, but may not apply to individuals. (Maybe they covered that when the article is no longer slashdotted.)

    Perhaps they should do the study based on how comfortable people are, and put people together with similar comfort profiles and re-run the studies. That way the coldies are not altering the total so much.

  140. See, we NEED global warming! by powerful_in_il · · Score: 1

    Let's warm up the whole planet, and then we'll all be living in tropical climes. Think of the productivity burst!

    Of course, this may be somewhat offset by short-skirts and belly-tops being used year-round.

    It's a win-win. Sweet!

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  141. Email? by jthayden · · Score: 1

    Maybe typing increased because everyone was writing emails to their friends bitching about the office temp. Could have been working on their resume too.

  142. Bad Science by thinwater · · Score: 1

    The report is based on a very biased experiment. 9 cubicles were monitored for a short period of time (1 month) in 1 building in one physical location (florida). Not exactly a sample group that represents ALL workers. I would think that people live/work in florida because they like it warm. Monitor 10,000 cubicles in 1000 buildings across all temperate zones for 12 months and cross reference the internal temp with the external temp then write up what temp's are better for productivity.

  143. personal pref and what you are used too by ResQuad · · Score: 1

    It takes some getting used to temperatures. I personally love the cold, yea I am a bit over weight, but not by so much as to insulate myself at 9F (In t-shirt and shorts)(I just enjoy cold). On the other hand I have a hawaiin friend up here (snow country). When he comes to college in the fall he is wearing a sweater at 80F... By Winter there is snow on the ground and no more than 40F and he is wearing flip flops and T-shirt.

    In fact in our office yesterday it was up to about 78F, by that temp most people had their windows in letting the 30F air in just so we wouldnt DIE. Plus, in a "78F" office, have you ever walked into a server closet that doesnt have its own temp control? DEATH... Boil an egg on the floor and the entire deal.

  144. This is great news! by swamp+boy · · Score: 1

    New justification for running a sweat shop.

  145. Thank god for cubicals! by Intocabile · · Score: 1

    If only to partition the smell.

  146. Many keystrokes != high productivity by ecotax · · Score: 1

    'Keystrokes per minute' sounds like a crappy measurement for productivity to me. It could, for example, also be interpreted as MSN-ing a lot.
    Same goes % of corrections for accuracy. It could be sloppy typing, but it could also be not noticing or caring about mistakes made.

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  147. Re:i like warm temperature by stanmann · · Score: 1

    YES, there are OSHA rules for kitchens just like anywhere else.. at steel mills, for example you MUST take a 10-15 minute cooldown break every hour.

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  148. Everyone knows... by feloneous+cat · · Score: 1

    It's not the heat, it's the humidity!

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  149. 21 Celcius or 70 farenheit is optimal by SergeyKurdakov · · Score: 4, Informative

    just before reading the article as far as I know not such warm climate is optimal :) see http://www.usaweekend.com/00_issues/000116/000116b iology.html

    Pay attention to air quality. Cool, dry air, especially on your face, helps keep you alert, while heat and humidity make you drowsy. Studies show that mental performance, such as rule-based logical thinking, can be reduced by 30% at temperatures not even warm enough to cause sweating. So keep the room at 70 degrees, the average optimum temperature for mental work in the United States. (Not everybody shares the same optimal temperature -- some are "cold-blooded"; others are "hot-blooded" -- so you may need to adjust up or down.)

    see also http://schoolstudio.engr.wisc.edu/energysmartschoo ls.html

    Optimal Thermal Conditions Thermal comfort has been shown to influence task performance, attention spans and levels of discomfort. In general, historical empirical studies going back 50 years have indicated that temperatures above 80 degrees F tend to produce harmful physiological effects that decrease work efficiency and output (McGuffy, 1982). Thermal conditions are below optimal levels affect dexterity, while higher than optimal temperatures decrease general alertness and increase physiological stress. One researcher (Harner, 1974) when reviewing optimal temperature levels for the performance found that reading and mathematical skills were adversely affected by temperatures above 74 degrees F. Reading speed and comprehension were most affected by temperature. A significant reduction in reading speed and comprehension occurred between 73.4 degrees F and 80.6 degrees F. This researcher also found that achievement is mathematical operations such as multiplication, addition and factoring have been shown to be significantly reduced by air temperatures above 77 degrees F.

  150. Re:Bullshit by guzzloid · · Score: 1
    When their recommendations are put into practice, productivity always remains the same.
    Gee, it's almost as if people work harder when their productivity is being monitored... ;-)
  151. Re:i like warm temperature by Se7enLC · · Score: 1

    Acceptable methods to reduce heat stress hazards in the workplace.

    The above letter explains that there are no specific heat-related regulations, just the general duty clause requiring each employer to "furnish to each of his employees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or are likely to cause death or serious physical harm."

    So I would have had to prove that a hot kitchen was likely to cause death or serious physical harm. Considering nobody was every actually harmed in the heat (this was a Maine summer, and they did give us spot fans), it would have been a very fruitless attempt at legal action. And like I said before, nobody *requires* air conditioning.

  152. school by rpillala · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd like to see a similar study done for classrooms, especially now that all kinds of data is being gathered and "drilled down." Maybe it would convince my school to maintain a normal temperature in my frigid classroom. Actually my classroom is frigid when it's warmer out and hot when it's colder. The climate control has no middle ground. not that the little box on the wall in my room has anything to do with the temperature.

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  153. Efficiency by xs650 · · Score: 1

    That explains why sweatshops are so efficient.

  154. Good air and sunlight... by supabeast! · · Score: 1

    I can believe this. One of the reasons I left IT is that I got sick of the sysadmin being relegated to some shitty windowless office regardless of where I worked. There's nothing to make a man grumpy or groggy like having to go without fresh air or sunlight all damned day, especially when you're working all day and into the night during crunch times. The only exception was a dotcom I worked at that left the flourescents off, bought everyone halogen lights, and used short cubes so that what light did come in was spread around. Good luck getting an employer to do that now.

    I remember reading that MSFT built the Redmond HQ offices in an X shape to create more window offices. The only other exception I can think of was Sallie Mae's Virginia HQ where they put executive offices and conference rooms in the middle of each floor and gave all of the window area to the cube dwellers, but they shipped IT to Indiana to save money.

    Now I'm going into art & design. I have a home office with four big Windows, and a home art studio with six windows, four of which run floor-to-cieling. It's pretty fucking sweet.

  155. Magnetic reversal by UpnAtom · · Score: 1

    Dr Yang Jwing Ming suggests that this productivity difference is due to the "natural" magnetic polarity of the human body and how the Earth's magnetic field helps or hinders that depending whether you are in the North or South Hemisphere.

    FWIW...

  156. My spelling is better when it is colder by takev · · Score: 1

    I'm rather dyslectic and being dutch I make many errors, the english language is so much easier (which is why I write documentation in english).

    However I found out that my spelling improves a lot when it is cold, like about 18 degrees C. Luckily the office I work in is at about that temperature.

    I found out on IRC where I do use the dutch language, and someone commented to me that I almost didn't make any mistakes, and it was very cold in my house. Some weeks later it happened again. Sure that is not much of a statistic :-)

    1. Re:My spelling is better when it is colder by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Your brain's "overclocked"! Looks like you need a copper heatsink with peltier cooling!

      Reminds me of one of the Pratchett Discworld books where a troll starts getting smarter and smarter in a very cold room.

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  157. Got shorts? by joggle · · Score: 1
    man + shorts cannot possibly look professional, and flip flops?

    What, are you saying these guys don't look professional? Got to agree with you on the flip-flops, though.

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  159. Some People Call My Office Cold... by fupeg · · Score: 1

    but I call it Nice N' Nippley.

  160. Ironic by Mark+of+THE+CITY · · Score: 1

    Way back when I was doing I/O development in assembly language in Hawaii, they had the place air-conditioned to the point that I'd bring a coat in.

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  161. Amateur thermodynamics by Shishberg · · Score: 1

    Maybe they got the direction of causality wrong. More work and less errors = less entropy. Productive workers need to release heat to compensate.

    This may have worthwhile applications... you could hire someone smart and productive to sit in your living room doing things as an alternative to central heating. Just give him random tasks and watch the temperature rise. Get him to do your tax while he's there.

    Or, to move it down a level of sentience, we all know that a productive and useful computer generates one heckuva lot more heat than a useless one... could this measure not just its potential but its actual use? Does your box get hotter the less typos you make? Is the converse true?

    Potential for case cooling: the dumber and more random your moves in [insert FPS here], the less heat your machine has to generate to keep the entropy up.

    Interesting...

  162. Re:Spin that wheel, run that ratrace, little roden by k4w0ru · · Score: 1

    We already do. Some people work more, some people less. Those people who work more don't have to. But for whatever reason, the rewards are enough to do this (they want more cars, vacations, enjoy their work, etc).

    Not necessarily. There are people who work less, that enjoy those rewards (cars, vacations, etc.) and alot of people who work more (like 2 jobs, etc.) and barely make enough to meet their monthly living expenses.

    I don't know many people that work more than the standard 40 hours a week because they want to. Personally, considering how short life is, I think it is wrong to work 40 or more hours per week. But unfortunately we live in a society/economical system that demands that. I'm sure there are ways around it, though not too easily feasible.

  163. Cold labs by AaronW · · Score: 1

    A few years ago I worked in a lab with one other engineer. No matter how many times we complained, it was always way too cold in there.

    At this company we made networking adapters. What we did was to install a hook in the ceiling and connect a CAT 3 cable to a networking card. We taped a paper towel to the card and had a coffee mug full of heat facilitating fluid (water) which was applied to the paper towel. By pulling on the CAT3 wire, we could raise and lower the paper towel over the thermostat and hence warm it up in the lab. (CAT5 wire was too stiff).

    By cooling the thermostat, we could warm up the lab.

    For the first time ever, the heater actually came on. You could smell that odor of burnt dust when a furnace comes on after not having run for a long period of time.

    -Aaron

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  164. Re:RTFL by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

    Only if you believe that source.

    I read the link and I don't give it much credibility.

    Next.

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  165. Re:Warmer offices is politically correct term for. by Analogy+Man · · Score: 1

    Talk about sweatshops! The bullpen I work in has been HOT for months. It was once an executives office. Now it is home to 22 workstations. Facilities say they will do something about it if over 80 degrees for 3 consective days. The log taken 3X daily since mid-summer ranges from 79 to 84 degrees...can't wait until the boilers fire up!

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  166. Re:RTFL by egomaniac · · Score: 1

    Only if you believe that source.

    I read the link and I don't give it much credibility.

    Next.


    You don't find Snopes credible? They identified the source of the information -- an article in Journal of the American College of Nutrition describing a study by the Center for Human Nutrition in Omaha. They also provided a full bibliography should you care to go check their sources and make sure that they haven't been making things up.

    I'm guessing that "I don't give it much credibility" just means "I didn't actually read the link and I'm trying to make it look like I did", but in case that was a serious objection, rest assured that Snopes is as reliable as they come.

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  167. Moo by Chacham · · Score: 1

    Ridiculous. More heat, and people get tired.

    Anyone who has worked in aan office can see that.

  168. Tropical? by Lancaibheal · · Score: 1

    As someone who works in a IT in a tropical environment, I would very much appreciate an opportunity to do some work in a sub-arctic zone.

  169. Re:Your Sig. by strictfoo · · Score: 1

    Actually Iran did not. AP chose to pick and choose their quotes to make it seem so. The AFP story includes these quotes:
    TEHRAN, Oct 19 (AFP) - It makes no real difference to Iran whether US President George W. Bush or Democrat contender John Kerry wins the presidential elections, a senior Iranian official said Tuesday.

    "It makes no difference for us which of the two parties wins the elections," Iran's top national security official Hassan Rowhani said in an interview on state television.


    North Korea chose Kerry as well, actually, as they're excited about bilateral talks.

    Pakistan is now a unfavorable country? They've actually been fairly helpful in two ways: their current administration is fighting both Al Qaeda and Taliban reminants in the border region and also fighting against Muslim extremists who wish to turn the country into a Muslim controlled state.

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  170. Re:RTFL by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

    "an article in Journal of the American College of Nutrition"

    You put your finger right on it.

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  171. Re:21 Celcius or 70 farenheit is optimal by BubbaJonBoy · · Score: 1

    Good observation - I was gonna say pretty much the same thing. Crank the heat and I'm ready for a siesta - not a mezzoforte performance.
    IMHO offices are usually too warm because of the women in them. I have a standard joke that goes like this: women have two temperatures - "too hot or too cold". Yeah I know it's !PC but that's reality...

  172. Oh, for God's sake. by StarKruzr · · Score: 1

    Congratulations, Paul Bunyan. Yes, you can "survive," and be moderately comfortable. I went from my air-conditioned dorm in New York to living in Mississippi for a week in the middle of summer with no A/C and I adjusted in a matter of a day.

    You can bet your ass that I *noticed* the difference later when I got back, though.

    And let's see how well you'd tolerate the temperature variance in a sealed-up office building with the air circ. fans turned off. 90 degrees. How's that feel, bucko?

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  173. I certainly hope they keep the thermostat low. by MagnusDredd · · Score: 1

    When it creeps upwards towards 80 degrees Fahrenheit I go to sleep. I work best at around 68 degrees or so when typing. So like everything this is simply a "most people" study following the standard deviation with regard to performance. The problem is that most people read this as an "in every case" sort of scenario.