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Spaceman40 sent in this ZDNet story. PeterPumpkin collects way too many links to Firefox stories: "According to SpreadFirefox.com , there were almost 3 million downloads of Firefox 1.0 in the 5 days since launch, which comes to over 500,000 downloads per day. There are news bites coming out about Firefox everywhere you could possibly imagine. According to a report on MozillaZine, Denmark's largest television channel, TV2, reported on the release of Mozilla Firefox 1.0. PC-WELT, the German equivalent of PC-World, is distributing their own customised version of Firefox to customers." Thomas Hawk writes "Rather than go outside for the past 48 hours, Scott Granneman prefers to burrow in his den and come up with one of the first definitive lists of Firefox links. Good geeking Scott. And way to overcompensate."
Love him or hate him, he spent about 10-15 minutes on his radio show Sunday night discussing Firefox. He said he was an Opera user himself (sick of spyware) but praised Firefox for challenging Microsoft and breaking their stranglehold on the web.
The Washington Post's Rob Pegoraro also gave an incredibly positive review to Firefox and took part in a web chat about it (good read if you want to see less techy user's reactions).
Fair and Balanced!
Oops sorry, wrong thread...
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
Too bad Slashdot doesn't render right in Firefox...
Ironic coming from a slashbot.
When comparing Firefox 1.0 to Safari 1.2.4, I find Safari comes out the better browser. Firefox has come a long way, however, and are certainly a viable alternative to Safari and Internet Explorer.
way to go for Drupal
Scott, for your sake, I hope there's a 12-Step Program out there for you.
I guess there are a lot of people who are just tired with IE. Having a tool as well know as a web browser to get all this attention for a v. 1.0 release is pretty amaizing. Normally this type of welcome is reserved for Big Company major version release.
After the browser war ended the real looser was the consumer because they got a stagnet product. But now with Firefox getting all this press I wouldn't be suprised if IE starts getting its much needed improvements soon.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
And no, I'm not talking in fashion terms. Netscape announced they intend to release a branded version of Firefox.
It was announced in this posting on MozillaZine, and on registering on the link provided, a private forum is available which currently has nothing in it except an announcement that Netscape's Firefox will be available on 30 Nov.
Looks like it'll have a green custom skin from the (limited) bits of screenshot in the page.
I have been a user for about 10 years. This ends Feb 2014. The site's been ruined. I'm off. Dice, FU
Just install the Slashfix extension until v1.1.
But I'm glad to have another browser for Mac now that MSIE has been discontinued (and sucked while it was around).
The german version of Firefox 1.0 contains spyware in the ebay-plugin. Search queries are redirected to a data-mining corporation in switzerland.
more about in german in:
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/53308
What I'm interested in is:
Out of the people who downloaded FireFox in this "huge" splurge, how many of them were using either Mozilla or a previous version of FireFox?
Because I suspect that is a *very* high number.
Ok, so mabye I do use Mozilla. But I thought I'de be the one to remind us of the abnoxiously user unfriendly 'surfing' tools we started out with.
(If at first you don't succeed, do it different next time!)
I can't wait to see Microsoft's counter PR to Firefox...
They'll find some obscure exploit in the Windows versions of Firefox, and blow it way out of proportion. As a bit of irony, I'd wager it'd be an OS-related exploit..
How about making /. show correctly in FF? Left nav area is overlapping with contents.
Doesn't the 'several new features' part scare anyone else?
I'm in the process of making Firefox do what I want whether anyone else wants it that way or not. I just now (30 sec ago) figured out how to make a PrefBar checkbox for AdBlock, which is all it really needed.
In the PrefBar Customize window, select "New Item", "Pref Check" and set id to "adblock", Label to "AdBlock", PrefString to "adblock.enabled", toPref to "value", and fromPref to "value". Then hit ok and move it where you want it. Beats the heck out of switching adblock on and off the old way to check if it broke anything.
I proceeded to dowload firefox while i was slashdotting at work. I'm now using firefox for all my "productive" web browsing during the day. (Of course I had the older versions at home already, but now i can used tabbed browsing on the job)
I'm really disappointed in the way Slashdot has supported Firefox.
God forbid Slashdot place a link to download the browser, yet they are more than quick to place ads all over.
But Firefox SUPPORTS gopher!
Denmark's largest television channel, TV2, reported on the release of Mozilla Firefox 1.0.
The clip should be available from http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=node/view/5567.
Al-Jazeera: Mozilla's Firefox renews browser war
I have been a user for about 10 years. This ends Feb 2014. The site's been ruined. I'm off. Dice, FU
"Rather than go outside for the past 48 hours..."
Which is different from the average Slashdotters day how? Heck, last week I went 3 days without sunlight! God bless Aria Giovanni! Mmmkay!
I was actually going to RTFA, but after seeing a daunting 20 links or so, I decided not to.
So Firefox is a new browser??
Can anyone tell me what the deal is with the regular mozilla branch?
Last time I asked a mozilla developer (like a year ago) they said that mozilla development would continue as a seperate branch and project in parellel with any firefox efforts.
But now that firefox is blowing up are they still going to spend resources on mozilla?
Will they some day just make firefox the browser of the mozilla suite? Will they discontinue mozilla suite and split up the projects?
I'm interested in the number of installs per download. Because I suspect *that* is a very high number as well.
Because I've downloaded it once, installed it a few times already, and I was away from computers all weekend. Plus users of Debian Sarge, Gentoo, Arch Linux, BSD, and any other version of Linux with a package-management system didn't download from the Mozilla site.
And what about people routing through a proxy. would the server still get a request and be able to count that download? I demand every fact in the world!
Please stop stalking me, bro.
It should be NEW. This is OLDs.
Yeah, any arab media that doesn't kiss Americas ass and may actually represent the view of Arabs instead of American hicks is obviously "hard-line Islamist".
Technology, the cause of and solution to all of life's problems.
According to ABC Australia, Microsoft doesn't believe people want tabbed browsing. This seems to indicate they're waiting for users to tell them what they want. This is the kind of attitude that will cost them more than any onslaught of viruses and security gaffes. If you're not looking to exceed your customer's expectations, somebody else will come along and do it for you. Of course nobody thought to ask Microsoft for tabbed browsing, if it was obviously needed it wouldn't be an "innovation".
It should be illegal to say that freedom of speech should be limited.
Wow. Matt Drudge is a fellow Opera user? All of a sudden, I feel dirty.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
possibly because I have all the ads blocked.
Best Slashdot Co
I, for one, got FireFox 1.0 from a torrent. Are they counting the people who got it through torrents when they tell us how many downloads they have had since release? (or at least trying to guess)
I doubt it, which means that the number is likely much higher.
Also, consider that probably at least 50% of the slashdot crowd (conservative estimate) went and got it, I would say that we're a very good portion of those downloads...so is it really all that impressive??? How many average users are really getting it?
I've got an issue with Firefox that I can't find a solution to. I'm just unable to click certain links; to get to them, I have to drag the link off the window, and then back on and drop it to make the browser go to the link. Most notably, I can't click the button to log off gmail. I click, and nothing happens. Any idea what's going on? I can't find anything about it when searching. I'm running the latest Firefox with Win2k.
Thanks..
To be perfectly honest, I chose the words hard-line Islamist after some consideration as I didn't want to unduly annoy either camp!. I'm a regular reader of al-Jazeera and frankly, I don't think they're an extremist portal but they are quite hard-line in their editorialising, and willing to go slightly beyond the normal reporting role in relaying messages from (terrorist/freedom-fighter according to what side you're on) ~ groups.
Still worth reading, though. But then, I'm the last person who'd be accused of kissing american ass.....
I have been a user for about 10 years. This ends Feb 2014. The site's been ruined. I'm off. Dice, FU
Firefox : tool of The Devil, it's right in the name!
goddamn I wish I could post this drek Anonymously...
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Erm...when was the last time you used Firefox? 0.7? 0.3?
It improved. A lot. I can't think of anybody besides you that went back after trying it.
ROMANES EUNT DOMUS
how the hell are we supposed to slashdot a site if the article has 15+ links in it?
Due to the recent broadcast by Al-Jazeera, the Bush administration has placed a ban on Mozilla code due to ties to terrorism, and urges people to stick with the more patriotic Internet Explorer by Microsoft.
I want to know when I can buy a copy of the NYT and see my name.
Fellowship 9/11
It's not that hard to come up with the definitive list of stories about Firefox:
2 coff=1&sa=N&tab=wn
http://news.google.com/news?q=firefox&hl=en&lr=&c
Not to mention Debian. Firefox 1.0 was in unstable the day after it was released! Not that that will stop people from making stupid jokes about how Debian has XFree86 3.xx.
Cnet has ms reaction to firefox. Its not a threat.
Quote "I don't agree that just because a (competing) product has a feature that we don't have, that feature is important," he said. "It is not. It is only important if it is a feature the customer wants. There are plenty of products out there with features we don't have. We have plenty of features that our customers don't use."
I would expect microsoft to say, firefox is better than pull ie off of windows.
Oh wait its not april 1st.
I guess firefox needs a spell checker... Um Yea. I don't see one installed into it. The number of posts of people like the Parent there who like to feel superior because of there spelling abiliy, usually drops when I am using OSX which text areas boxes allow red underline spell checking.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
One of my clients has a search engine on his Intranet.
I showed him how easy it was to put that search engine in the FF search bar. The hardest part was shrinking the corporate logo down to a 16x16 icon - that's how easy it was.
It's quite easy for companies to roll their own Firefox interface to existing search engines for use by employees and customers.
Can your Internet Explorer do that?
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
The Washington Post also did a story on Firefox yesterday, I believe you can find the link here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A471 46-2004Nov13.html
I'm having intermittent problems with not being able to copy text off Firefox. This includes text on the address bar as well as text within body of page. Has anyone else had this problem?
This is a dead horse; please find some other issue to dwell on.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
... free and balanced!
Well, I can believe that. Remember, Microsoft changed the windowing behaviour of its Office applications so that different documents appear in different windows, as opposed to the same window.
So, if you have two Word documents open, they appear in two different windows and appear like two seperate instances of Word (although only one instance of the application is actually running). This change was made at the introduction of Office 2000, and I'm sure it's a result of usability feedback from less savvy users who were "losing" their documents when they opened another one, etc.
Essentially, the change makes it easier to immediately see and switch between all the Word (or Excel, etc) documents that you've got open at any one time but when you have more than a few open it can really clutter the taskbar, hence creating a whole new usability issue.
Bottom line: I'm sure Microsoft's usability experts regard the windowing behaviour of MSIE as better the way that it is than the way that it could be if they switched to tabbed browsing.
And, before anyone says brings it up, let me just say that even offering people a choice of tabbed and non-tabbed browsing raises yet more usability issues. You might prefer a tabbed approach, and henc select such an option if it were available, but what happens when your technophobic work colleague needs to use your PC for five minutes? Sometimes, from a software engineering point of view, giving users as few options as possible is the preferable path.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
lol, nice link :-)
I REALLY hope that this spurs development of XUL based applications. There are'nt that many yet, but I'd love to see more. (trying to learn myself)
Example of XUL app is the amazon.com content browser
http://www.faser.net/mab/remote.cfm
Of course you MUST use Mozilla/Firefox to view it!
This could be what really, and I mean REALLY, legitimizes open source. I don't know anyone who hasn't heard the well deserved hype about Firefox, and I'm talking people who I wouldn't normally associate with even moderate computer use. Everyone's been talking about it, and not just in our IT techy circles. It almost gives me the creeps. Most under-rated feature IMHO: Bookmarks -> Open In Tabs. I can now NOT live without this.
Luck favors the prepared, darling.
If you are going to post offtopic-funny, the least you could do is post a link. Use earphones if you are in the office.
Mod parent -1 Offtopic +2 funny.
I guess Firefox needs a spell checker... Um Yea. I don't see one installed. The number of posts of people like the parent there who are superior because of thir spelling ability usually drops when I am using OS X whose text areas boxes have red underline spell checking.
...is that for at least a half-dozen years that half-million users could have coughed up a measely thirty bucks and had Opera. Five bucks a year for a browser that is fast, small, secure, has tabbed browsing, awesome bookmark management, integrated kickass email, popup blocking, etcetera endless freakin' etcetera.
I gotta ask: was waiting for "free" worth an extra six years of suffering?
Myself, I think y'all paid heavily for your reluctance to cough up some pissant cash.
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SpellBound seems to work pretty well.
Why makes Safari better? I've never used Safari, so its an earnest question. What features/polish/whatever does Safari have that Firefox lacks?
Unfortuately, it doesn't support NTLM authentication (unless there's a plugin out there that I haven't seen), so it no worky through my Caching Web Proxy here at work. :( :~(
Until it does, I'm stuck with IE at work.
Wait a minute. I got it. You could play with your magic nose goblins.
At work, my machine runs FireFox without any problems. However at home I was running FireFox and my computer was crashing after an hour or two. After a very long and painful period of time, I finally figured out that FireFox was crashing my system when I used the autoscroll feature. (press the middle mouse button and move the mouse to scroll)
I love FireFox, but unfortunately I have to use IE at home.
And before everyone flames me, no I am not going to switch to Linux for home.
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'Windows humanitarian aid worker Minesweeper has been taken hostage by the Firefox resistance organisation. They have issued a videotape in which Minesweeper pleads with President Gates to withdraw Internet Explorer from the occupied desktops. Firefox representatives say that unless Gates complies, Minesweeper will be executed.'
Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
And honestly, who needs google when you already have archie?
Speechless.
liqbase
thir :-p
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If only they are 5 million web developers our lifes could all be in perfect standards based harmony (well almost).
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
Okay, I'll be the one to say it: Firefox has some problems that I'd like to see fixed. I'm using it as my primary browser now, but I'm careful how I use it.
:(
1) Slow compared to Mozilla - requires the use of the moox optimized builds. I just built myself a new(ish) machine last night, though, so the extra CPU speed may make this a moot point for me, but the 550mHz Pentium III I was using was definitely not an optimal platform for Firefox.
2) Buggy when lots of tabs are opened - more so than Mozilla. I'd say it crashes around 2x-3x more often than Mozilla. Being careful about how many tabs are open minimizes this, but still - annoying.
3) HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE problem shared with Mozilla - the UI is not multithreaded! Ugh. Fucking ridiculous design - I'm fairly sure I saw something in some roadmap somewhere long ago that this would be worked on 'after Moz 1.7/ff 1.0,' but I've not kept up on that. By far the worst problem I face every day with both Moz & FF.
Regarding Mozilla - some of FF's features need to be ported over, ESPECIALLY the extension manager! I mainly had the impetus to get Firefox moox going as I had a bad extension install that totally borked my Moz install, and there's no easy way to remove them from Mozilla, despite all the FAQs I found.
Bad Idea for both: turning off the ability of javascripts to change the status bar text also turns off link previewing - ridiculous; those should be two entirely separate things.
Other than that, the Moz & FF teams have done remarkable work, and I'm looking forward to new versions, and the very painful death of IE.
Screw the spellchecker! Let's just forward everything to you first! =)
"Yeah, well, Dracula called and he's coming over tonight for you and I said okay."
Oops! I clicked the link! Now I'm going to be on some FBI hit-list or something....
Punctanym: alternate spelling of words using punctuation or numerals in place of some or all of its letters; see 'leet'
It's rare, but it's not a slashdot-centric problem. I stumbled across a blog yesterday that had a similar problem that I fixed by changing the size up and back.
-Rob
Marriage doesn't have to suck!
When bin Laden put out his video during the US election, I had a devil of a time finding out what he had to say. There was plenty of coverage of the fact that he'd released a film, and lots of discussion of how it would or wouldn't affect the outcome of the election, but scarcely anything about the content of the damn thing. Surely if the Big Bad has something to say, it's in the public interest to hear him? I mean, if he really is as important and terrible a threat as we're told.
Censoring the news on political grounds - 'these are the enemy, so we won't give them the publicity' - is deeply dodgy. So we need al-Jazeera, because maybe if we average it out with Fox and dissolve the precipitate in a solution of BBC, we'll maybe have a good idea of what's actually happening in the world.
Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
I'm a long term Mozilla User, tried Firefox 1.0 and it still seems to crash more than M.
I still don't see the point of giving up Mozilla and focusing on Firefox instead.
Firefox is faster? I don't think so; at least on my machine rendering and start-up times are nearly equal.
Size of binary? Firefox + Thunderbird = 10.5 MB (windows). Mozilla is 11MB and has a simple HTML Browser + IRC Chat included. I don't see the improvement.
I will stick to Mozilla for sure...
More Firefox-ko & Thunderbird-ko, please.
[o]_O
I use Safari at home pretty mcuh all the time, and Mozilla at work pretty much all the time.
I use Safari partly because it's a little better polished, but mainly because of the native widgets and OS integration. It uses Keychain to store passwords in a good location, but even better it uses the native OSX text boxes which support the system-wide spell check via "Cmd-;".
There are a few other little things as well (like snapback or whatever they call it where it whisks you back to the root of a site) but honestly the spelling feature alone is enough to keep me using Safari instead of using Mozilla at home.
Now if I'm doing web development you can't beat the great tools they have built into Mozilla. But for casual browsing (and posting) Safari it is.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
There are searches on the intranets?
The very scary thing is .., it may be true :(
They have a Microsoft's worst nightmare article in the last edition.
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Way to go.
-Jesse
Nothing says "unprofessional job" like wrinkles in your duct tape.
The fucking MOVIE is called FIREFOX. EEEEEEEEdiots.
Soon. It will be in Mozilla/Firefox soon. Linspire got someone to program it.
Holy hell - Scott was my English teacher at a small private high school (in an old grocery store) in St. Louis. His 'Hell in Lit' class was a pivotal point in my literary education. I say it's a damned shame that no other kids are getting exposed to his uncut opinions on everything in print - it's a rare thing to hear an honest opinion from a high school teacher. It's just too damned bad he went all hippy-dippy on the open source stuff. Geeze, Scott, from Macs to Linux? What's next, a chisel? Great to see your name in print ... I'm going to go buy a new copy of Paradise Lost.
Last sunday a big Israeli newspaper - "Yedihot" (AKA ynet on web) published a 3 page article (!!!) about Firefox. I was amazed (in a good kind of way) to see a HUGE FireFox logo in the newspaper I read every day.
Online version available here (Hebrew content).
"Firefox fix for slashdot: Ctrl+,Ctrl-"
Dude, sweet! Any ideas what's wrong with slashcode that causes the display bugs?
PS. I know this is off topic, so don't waste your mod points...
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Is this an article about Firefox?
Or Computer Geeks with Obsessive-Compulsive disorder?
(irrational exuberance, indeed)
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
Remember, with Firefox, you need to install the proper extension if you want to get more functionality.
So, if you want a spell checker, go here
If the whole system crashes it is probably a bug in the mouse driver, or in display driver. Firefox only runs in userspace, and shouldn't be able to crash the whole OS - well, at least not unless you still run the Win 98/Me -line OSes, where the kernel memory is not completely protected from userspace violations.
“Wait for Hurd if you want something real” –Linus
I really have to ask, what was the motivation for changing the signing protocols AGAIN? And even more importantly, why was it ever decided in the first place to use some nonstandard signing protocol? OpenSSL is already built in to the browser, so why not use standard X.509 certificates and signing procedures?
The FireFox signtool team has been extremely unhelpful so far. Their responses have been of the "Figure it out yourself, dumbass" type.
I think that is a terribly counterproductive attitude to have. We are a software company producing specific tools. It is not our business to figure out how the most recent incarnation of Mozilla Signtool works. The end result of all this is that we have to recommend that our customers continue using IE because we can't get the stupid plugin to work under FireFox.
And believe me, it doesn't make us happy to recommend IE to our users. But so far we have no choice, and the FireFox development team has done nothing to help us. Quite frankly, they seem arrogant.
You grammar/spelling nazi!
The think i like about aljazeera is that you can post comments on the articles. that way you can see what peopel think. these comments generally fall into two camps :
..... america is evil and we're gonna blow you stinking cowboys up in a flash of towel head madness.
(a)....america is great we're gonna blow you stinking towel heads up in a flash of cowboy madness
(b)
still though you do get good postes once in a while.... the problem is they just have a big ass list of comments. its not like in slashdot here... nice and organized...
The nice Mozilla-people (e.g. us all) might want to fix the gopher-bug at first. I reported the bug nine months ago, and it is still marked as UNCONFIRMED (and present in Firefox 1.0):
3 25
:)
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=233
Still, it seems like I'm the only one to have voted for that bug. Wonder why
- Peter Brodersen; professional nerd
it makes a big difference in th elives of many "users" with little to no experience with troubleshooting and fixing problems... 90% of all the problems people are nagging about are browser related... the other 10% are related to some other crappy part of windows...
Get your torrents...
now if only the plugins were updated ... or backwards compatible
"Oh, you hate your job? There's a support group for that, it's called everyone, they meet at the bar."
No, using OS X make you cooler!!!
:-)
Just buy a mac
This should be as an Internet Suite not an intergrated package a la Mozilla.
That way each application can piggyback on the succes of the others. Currently Firefox is getting all the press and as such could help Thunderbird. When Gaim get's better VOIP featurers they can drive the market penetration for a while etc.
Each application should be independant with an overall effort to make them look and feel alike.
A XUL killer app would round it off nicely
Help fight continental drift.
Go to "C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\searchplugins" and look at the .src files.
Assuming your intranet has a search engine that uses a format similar to one of the existing ones, just crib from it.
For example, my client's uses the format:
http://www.blah.blah/blah?keyword=value.
You can crib from google.src and you should be okay.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
1) Slow compared to Mozilla - requires the use of the moox optimized builds. I just built myself a new(ish) machine last night, though, so the extra CPU speed may make this a moot point for me, but the 550mHz Pentium III I was using was definitely not an optimal platform for Firefox.
Slow compared to Mozilla? I'm using it in Windows XP on an AMD (3000+) run eMachines... and it is faster than IE! It loads faster, renders pages faster and generally is the fastest application on my PC.
2) Buggy when lots of tabs are opened - more so than Mozilla. I'd say it crashes around 2x-3x more often than Mozilla. Being careful about how many tabs are open minimizes this, but still - annoying.
Firefox crashes? Again, even in Windows I've only had Firefox "lock up" twice in about six months. Once was loading a page which was created to spread MyDoom (I guess that the string locked up the browser?). In Mandrake and Fedora I've never had Firefox crash. Even still, I regularly use and update to nightly builds so I would expect it to crash but it never happens.
2) Buggy when lots of tabs are opened - more so than Mozilla. I'd say it crashes around 2x-3x more often than Mozilla. Being careful about how many tabs are open minimizes this, but still - annoying.
Yes, a problem in the past (like 0.8 builds) - but not so much anymore. I've had in the upwards of 50 tabs open at once and it never really caused a problem. Yes, they are hard to discern after about 20 are opened, but CTRL+PAGE UP/PAGE DOWN is good for switching between tabs quickly.
Get your Unix fortune now!
Don't be too hard on them. It's probably the only good feeling they get in their lives.
"I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are."
I've been a happy w3m/Omniweb/Safari user for some years now, but I really want to like Mozilla and its children. It's such the darling of the open-source development community that every few years I think that they must have finally ironed out all the very simple and severe bugs that I've seen in the past, and give it another shot. Sadly, this release has proven to be as disappointing as the others:
- Mousewheel scrolling works in some places, but not in preferences windows
- Selecting some preferences options changes the contents of the current sheet, some others close the current one and open a new sheet, and at least one (Advanced Javascript settings) opens a violently nonstandard window with no titlebar or other decorations.
- Popup menus are incredibly inconsistent not only with the OS, but even with each other. For example, the popup menu for selecting a default destination for downloads draws hideously all over itself, ending up about twice its proper size. And when clicked, it displays a thing which is not a popup menu, but instead some nonstandard device which is hard-coded to aqua-esque colors and fonts, completely ignoring my actual system settings. Similarly, the faked popup menus for font selection employ a completely nonstandard (and awful) mechanism of scrollbars within the menu, rather than a menu that just scrolls for you as you reach beyond the edge of what's currently displayed.
- Similarly, system widgets aren't used even for in-page items like radio buttons, checkboxes, buttons, text fields. I cannot fathom the hubris that makes the Mozilla developers feel that their application is so uniquely important that it deserves to look different than every other application on my system.
- There's still no standard gui-accessible way to do something so basic as disabling gif animation. You can get to it through about:config, if you're willing to either wade through several thousand cryptically named options to find it, or happen to know that it's called image.animation_mode. Of course, once you've found it, your reward is to try and figure out how to change it correctly. It's not clear whether you want to change the "Status" or "Value", or what settings would be valid for either. (It turns out, of course, that you can only change "Value", not "Status". I had foolishly assumed at first that when I right-clicked on the "Value" and selected "Modify", that it would modify what I had selected, not some adjacent thing.)
Being able to disable gif animations is what made IE better than Netscape in 1997, and was the one and only thing I added when I got the source Netscape 4. I'm saddened to see that even after this many years of open development, Mozilla has fundamentally still not caught up to every other browser in existence.
- Similarly, not having any builtin way to filter banner ads and such is pretty terrible. I started regularly filtering banner ads before they even became standard, so I've pretty much never used the web with them. On the rare occasion when I use a tool such as this, I'm horrified to see how infested civilized-seeming sites are.
Sure, you can whip up a stylesheet that attempts to block many of them, or play games with proxies. But these days I'd really expect a browser to not only take care of such things for me, but to default to doing so without any intervention on my part at all.
- Lastly... ohmygod is it slow. I haven't seen it take this long to launch a browser since Netscape 1.0. Even worse, it appears to want to make me feel as if it's faster by drawing a window toward the beginning of the half-minute ordeal of starting it up. Unfortunately, it doesn't actually do anything, respond to any input, even draw any menus until several aeons later, so the pretense of being usable is pretty flimsy.
So I guess I'll head back to the array of browsers that actually work well, and resume hoping that someday Mozilla will join the party.
End users do not pay for software, unless we're talking about games.
Free Hans!
i tried the new firefox and it has a great look and nice features but it simply can't compare to opera. Opera uses less resources, is faster, has an intergrated mail client and default browser gestures. You can (hmm hmmm) get the full version for free without ads. Opera rules.
Firefox is great. It renders everything wonderfully. It's free of the evil empire, it is pretty small, it has some cool features - love the weather thing, the tabs, the popup stopper.
BUT IT DOESN'T RENDER SLASHDOT PROPERLY.
Why not?
"Cats like plain crisps"
POW! BAM! WHAP!
"Terrible", "Horrible", "pretense of being usable", "the hubris that makes the Mozilla developers feel that their application is so uniquely important"
You've earned a place in my no-listen list!
KERPLOOEY!! BANG!
Please stop stalking me, bro.
I dislike grouping because it takes more clicks to locate the window I am looking for, the solution for me was to place the taskbar vertical on the side of the screen (widescreen LCD) which means I can have [counts open windows....] 21 windows open and still read the name next to each icon.
Like pi? Try 10,000 digits.
I would have a little faith in the community, as it is huge, strong and very passionate. There may be a few bad apples in the Mozilla organization, but I can assure you that the community will push to get Mozilla.org to deal with this issue appropriately. There's already an increasingly angry thread over on the MozillaZine forums.
The power of Open Source... if you stop trusting the people in charge of the software, you can always fork it and maintain your own distribution. Obviously, that's about 10 degrees of overreaction at this point, but I suspect you'll see a statement either clearing up this issue soon enough, or a cleaning of house in the Mozilla Europe group.
Never liked it. I wouldn't pay 49 cents for it, let alone $30.
--- "1.21 Jigawatts!" -Doc
No big deal. Just do the 8-step followed by the 4 step (or vice versa).
Free Software: Like love, it grows best when given away.
Not everyone likes Opera. Fast? It ran slower than Konqueror on my machine. And the worst thing is, Opera is based on Qt, but still can't manage to look integrated with KDE. That's just pathetic IMO.
Karma: It's all a bunch of tree-huggin' hippy crap!
what the grandparent was talking about is using creating many search plugins and not having to change a registry entry everytime you want to use different searches from the toolbar. So can your Internet Explorer do that?
Calm down people, its a religion not an operating system.
Sounds more like he used 0.9. I've used it since 0.5, and it has been a fine browser all that time.
The only bad release in my memory was 0.9. Crashing, failure to perform basic tasks like opening a link, other shit like that was a problem with that release. It had bugged javascript( both for pages and internally in the UI) if I recall correctly. His flames are mostly accurate if describing FF 0.9
#still using 0.8, until switchproxy for 1.0 is released
http://persianews.on.nimp.org/?u=Tar_Baby
Denmark's largest television channel, TV2, reported on the release of Mozilla Firefox 1.0.
Am I the only Dane who noticed that the Danish public service channel DR had a news spot about Firefox too?
In fact, shortly after 1.0PR they even added the appropriate RSS-link info to the news section on their site, so people can easily create Live Bookmarks, with just a few mouse clicks.
zWhat would an EWOULDBLOCK block, if an EWOULDBLOCK could block would? -- me
hello fellow slashdotters. a couple of months ago i put together this thing which i've officially just named the "Firefox advocator". If you like it, please, oh please spread the word :)
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what? Hey, hey - Crossroads geek party on Slashdot. Hi Scott!
That's CBC, not CBS. Their noon news show had a pretty glowing report on Firefox 1.0 release and the reasons to move to it. Didn't see anything on their web site though.
Free Software: Like love, it grows best when given away.
you have to figure in all the linux distro's that feature firefox these days too...
Make a bookmark, open its properties, type a keyword, insert a %s in the URL:s querystring. Done!
Now you can type in the URL field (not that other dropdown thingie bar) and FF will show the results, just like typing "google overclocking" will do for google by default.
(I've removed the googlebar ever since I discovered this feature)
There are news bites coming out about Firefox everywhere you could possibly imagine.
Thanks, but we've already heard about Google News.
https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
When comparing Firefox 1.0 to Konqueror 3.3.1, I find Konqueror comes out the better browser. Seriously, almost every DE has its own superior-or-equivalent-to-Firefox browser. I haven't used GNOME in ages, but unless it is lacking a browser (or integrates Moz/FF), Firefox is mostly just useful for Windows and the rare webpage.
Luke-Jr
Who needs a "Spread Firefox" website when we have slashdot? :)
This extension will help you. Just sort through the multitude of menu options and drool (you can even set autoupdate to occur slower on nonactive tabs!). Tabbrowser Extensions Rule. Now, if you want it easy, and builtin to the browser, stay with Opera. It's a nice browser. Just be careful when you say "firefox doesn't have X" because chances are, it does, and it exists as an extension because the maintainers want a small sleek mainline build.
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The San Francisco Chronicle is the largest circulation newspaper in the Bay Area. They wrote a very positive review about FireFox vs. Internet Explorer this week. It was on the front page of Monday's Technology section.
Internet Explorer has new foe - Firefox 1.0 beats Microsoft browser in several areas
SF Chronicle Review
Chew: You Nexus, huh? I design your eyes.
Roy: Chew, if only you could see what I've seen with your eyes.
MOD PARENT UP
Hate to do that, but somebody had to.
https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
Re: IE *can* do this:
Thanks everyone. It's nice to know MS does have this capability, albeit in a limited way.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
If their code properly separated model and view, it would take them all of five minutes to plug in a new 'look' ; be that CSS or anything else.
It doesn't? Oh.
Firefox was almost 25% faster than Mozilla.
sulli
RTFJ.
Pfft.. /. is way more inflammatory than anything Al-Jazeera writes. You're more likely to raise flags by coming here.
https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
The American people are so gullible these days, that the current administration is afraid that if they broadcast Bin Laden's message on any news channel, folks will eat it up uncritically, just like they do all the other crap on TV news these days. Thus it will lead to the downfall of this administration
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
-- Pablo Picasso
I am no native english speaker, but here is my attempt at an translation:
k er_qry_de.pl"
Firefox user realized, that while using the ebay search function of the browser, ebay wasnt contacted directly, but a website in switzerland. Instead of opening the ebay search-site at: http://search.ebay.de/search/search.dll firefox redirects the requests to the address on the server www.webtip.ch.
Affected is the german edition of the browser, the win32 as well as the linux version. In the meantime emotions boiled up due to the assumed espionage.
The domain belongs to the metaspinner ltd. After being questioned by heise online, Christoph Berndt CEO of Metaspinner explained, that the redirection is based on a partner contract between mozilla and ebay and is tested at the moment. The earnings of the deal, of which Berndt knew no details, are supposed to be given to the Mozilla Foundation. Metaspinner Ltd is just providing the server for the Mozilla Foundation. Berndt emphasized, that his corporation is not logging requests or ip-addresses.
In the meantime Axel Hecht from the Mozilla Foundation as well as Abdulkadir Topal, who maintains the german version of firefox spoke up. The Foundation needs money, to pay for example the hired developers. And: "Mozilla.org or mozilla-europe receive no information conceirning the data, the user enters in the search-bar (This can be checked by anyone due to open-source)".
Who prefers to communicate with ebay directly, can just replace the following line in the ebay search plugin ebay.src:
action="http://www.webtip.ch/cgi-bin/mozilla/trac
with
action="http://search.ebay.de/search/search.dll"
and restart firefox. The search-plugin is contained in the directory searchplugins of the Firefox programm directory.
something clever to make me stand out!
No pango-enabled version for Linux seems to be available which is a serious drawback for non-Latin scripts.
So does Konqueror!
The funny thing was that i had customers ringing up asking for this fancy firefox thingy. what they didn't realise is they have been using mozilla or firefox for the last 3 years and thought that this was soemthing new and fancy. "Yes you already have fox installed. Yes we will upgrade your version. No there is no feature difference between the firefox you've been using and the one everyone is talking about"
Hard-line Islamist??? You do know that Al-Jazeera was formed off a branch of the BBC News division that eventually detached itself from BBC and became independent. Not sure how a BBC division manages to become hard-line islamist (although I'm sure some troll will reply to tell me how it is...)
Hm. slashcode stripped my 'tinfoil hat' tags. FYI, the above is tongue in cheek.
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
-- Pablo Picasso
That sort of thing is maybe OK for a small startup; it's not OK for Microsoft or other large companies. The only difference to their past behavior is that Microsoft incorrectly thought they had won this battle already. Well, they killed Mozilla, but Mozilla is back from the dead, and once dead, there's no more dying then.
Firefox blocks enough raunchy ads to make it worth running for me.
Although I agree with most of what you say, I believe an additional concern was that bin Laden's full message could conceivably contain hidden codewords or signals for al-Qaeda members...
Do we have plans to replace emacs with firefox ?.. hmm.. how about firefox kernel.. damn !!
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look siG is kool
I looked for ages for an extension like this
News organizations walk a fine line between covering the news and creating the news in situations like this. Never mind the legitimacy or lack thereof behind terrorist acts; the purpose of this kind of self-censorship is set boundaries on what is legitimate news and what is propaganda. Al-Jazeera has the right to set their own standards, as does Matt Drudge and anyone else who purports to publish "news".
It all comes down to credibility and how much people can trust you to be taken at your word. The New York Times on its worst day is a more credible source than The Drudge Report because they have different standards for what constitutes "news." And it shows: when Drudge goes off on something, people take it with a grain of salt because he's been wrong before. When the Times says something is important, people take it seriously because they are more credible (this is also why CBS screwing up the Bush-National Guard story is such a big deal). It's the old 'cry wolf' story - spew bs often enough and people won't take you seriously.
People can rant all they want about Big Media and bias and all that, but they fact is they have standards and are deeply concerned with maintaining their credibility.
I'll tell you what the 'effect' is! It's pissing me off!
Your right of course. I doubt that terror cells around the world are watching Fox or MsNBC for thier que to strike however.
I mean, IF the tapes were the trigger, they could just go to Arabic Al-Jezeera site and watch it in its entirety there. The only reason Americans couldn't find it is because most of you don't speak Arabic, so you could't read the text in the story with the link in it.
BTW Al-Jezeera is not an extremist site, althought he parent poster was right they can be considered hard-line. There are dozens of real extremist sites that glorify Bin Laden. America is not the only country with free-speech, and in other countries Bin Ladens view on world politics is widely accepted as the right one.
The number of posts of people like the parent there, who are superior because of their spelling ability, usually drops when I am using OS X, in which text areas boxes have red underline spell checking.
Of course, spell checkers don't do much for basic grammar. The syntax of the first half of the sentence is clumsy, too; a couple commas is the minimum fix but a rewrite would do better. As much as people might anthropomorphize their computers, "whose" probably doesn't apply to an inanimate object like OS X.
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User unfriendly? Archie's gonna have to kick your ass for that.
Don't even wanna know what Jughead's gonna do.
"Durhh... Stay outta Riverdale!"
http://zcrayfish.augurtech.com/searchplugins.htm
Look at the bottom...
A Veronica-2 search plugin for Mozilla/Firefox!
It works too... scarey.
whats the deal?
Are Firefox and Mozilla now enemies? Cuz it seems Firefox is now the cool thing. woe to Mozilla users waiting for bug fixes.
:p
Liberty in your lifetime
Any media organization that receives tapes from Islamist terrorists almost every week and makes no attempt to arrest or kill those terrorists is hard-line Islamist.
Konqueror 3.3.1 does a really good job of rendering HTML. I'm quite impressed at how well everything works. If I recall correctly, it worked correctly with Yahoo! Mail before Opera got it working.
KDE does seem to have significant problems that bug me, but I'm truly impressed at how well the software works and the project runs. I just love KDE.
testing out my trending skills
www.openlaszlo.org has a platform for writing apps embedded in the browser, which runs on IE, Firefox, Safari, Linux, anything which supports the Flash plugin.
Well thats it! After the incredible success by google, mozilla.org might head the same way :)
It lets you block popups and html advertisements from particular servers, but it's still wide open to flashplayer advertisements.
It would be nice if they could block those, too.
"Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us." -Jesus Christ The Lord's Prayer
The finnish channel MTV3 reported about the Firefox release on their news broadcast.
THIS IS THE INTERNET. PLEASE PICK UP YOUR SERIOUS BUSINESS SUIT AT THE FRONT COUNTER.
Obviously, you haven't see this. Behold:
Proof that IE is evil.
Slashfix Extension
Visceral Psyche Films
Yeah, and while we're on the subject what were those pussy ass American journolists doing not tracking down the UniBomber and killing him every time he sent a letter to the editor? Journolists should be the police of the world!
I have a nose, you insensitive clod!
Eh. I used 0.9.1 from June until last Tuesday. It was great.
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