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New iPods on the Horizon

RemovableBait writes "Apple Computer plans to introduce more iPods before the end of the year", a company executive said Tuesday. From the article: Executive Vice President Tim Cook didn't say whether the new iPods will come at a press event Apple has scheduled for Wednesday morning. But during a conference call with analysts, he suggested that the iPod Nano won't be the last new iPod of the year."

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  1. Plans..? by Avyakata · · Score: 2, Funny

    Actually, I've heard there's plan for an iPod with integrted e-mail functions...but, it's just a rumor, I'm sure *shifty eyes*

    1. Re:Plans..? by Poltras · · Score: 5, Funny

      A iPod software developper friend told me he was writing coffee-making code.

    2. Re:Plans..? by SimGuy · · Score: 3, Funny

      I rather hope it is standards compliant.

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    3. Re:Plans..? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it makes coffee, it's got to have toaster functionality too!

    4. Re:Plans..? by dgatwood · · Score: 1
      Is that anything like the (April Fools jokingly) rumored PPC 970 iPod---third degree burns in your pocket?

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    5. Re:Plans..? by Joe+Random · · Score: 1

      So it runs Java?

    6. Re:Plans..? by jdeluise · · Score: 1

      But did he say it would make.....Hot Coffee?

    7. Re:Plans..? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The video iPod isn't out yet...

    8. Re:Plans..? by thetaco82 · · Score: 1
      From TFRFC:
      This memo provides information for the Internet community. It does
      not specify an Internet standard of any kind.
      Distribution of this
      memo is unlimited.

      Apple will do what Apple wants.
    9. Re:Plans..? by QAPete · · Score: 1

      Apple can release any number of iPod variants they'd like, but I will not purchase one until I can easily replace the battery. I wonder how long it's going to be before they get with the program on that? I own a Mini, which requires the use of a heat gun / hair dryer to perform a task that should be accomplished via a few screws at most. The new Nano is even worse.

    10. Re:Plans..? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I _know_! I mean, I'm replacing my battery 2, 3 times per day and it's a total bitch to get all the tools out every time, and the stack of dead batteries is growing to superfund levels! OMG.

    11. Re:Plans..? by jseale · · Score: 1

      Some news footage I saw of the video iPod had it exhibiting PDA-like functions including a calendar and a few mini-games. I'd be surprised if they did anything else with the iPod on that front after what happened to Newton, but if Steve wants to compete with Mr. Softee and lowly Palm on that stuff, that's his prerogative.

  2. Forget slim... by Hittite+Creosote · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I want a near indestructible one. Make it bulkier if you have to, just don't let it break.

    1. Re:Forget slim... by Dominic · · Score: 1

      OK, I think they've got you covered: http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/

    2. Re:Forget slim... by CrazyTalk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree. Maybe they can take the strategy employed in the 80s/90s, where if you painted a radio or tape player yellow that made it a "Sport" model and the perception was that it magically became waterproof, shockproof, etc.

    3. Re:Forget slim... by afidel · · Score: 1

      I don't know if it's what you are talking about but I had a yellow Sony Walkman Sport that had rubber seals all around the cassette bay, around the battery bay, and over the second headphone port. It also came with earbuds that did not mind being wet. While I wouldn't have gone diving with it I did wear it to swim practice quite a few times with no ill effect.

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    4. Re:Forget slim... by Seumas · · Score: 1

      I don't care if it's super slim. The size of the original generation of iPods is just fine. All I care about are:

      1) SIZE. 60gb doesn't cut it. 200gb would be a good start. 300gb would be a great start.
      2) Battery life. More than a few hours and make it a consumer replacable part!
      3) Durability. No screen scratching. Don't want to freak out of it's dropped.

    5. Re:Forget slim... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, except while they're at it, they should make it an even terabyte to be safe, and it would be nice if it were free.

      Oh, I'd also like to use it to get free items from vending machines.

    6. Re:Forget slim... by Phat_Tony · · Score: 2, Informative

      A Shuffle in an iVault is probably about as close to indestructible as any portable electronics appliance ever made, excepting submersion.

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    7. Re:Forget slim... by irishfreakout · · Score: 1

      I agree that the paint is the first line of defense, and obviously yellow is the most durable color.

    8. Re:Forget slim... by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1

      Actually that is more or less what I'm talking about, except after Sony came out with their Walkman that actually had some features that made it (slightly) more rugged, a bunch of knockoffs appeared in the marketplace that had nothing special done to them except being painted yellow. We used to make fun of that back in the day.

    9. Re:Forget slim... by mkiwi · · Score: 1

      Probably can't get an Apple product that "Never Beaks." That one belongs to Larry Ellison.

  3. Video? by SultanCemil · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know this may look like a really dumb comment in about 4 hrs but I don't see video being THAT useful. You can store a ton of low-res video on the ipod if you just want to watch it there, but the real advantage would be to take it with you to friends' houses for viewing on their TVs. Well, in that case, you want hi-res video, video that will take up quite a bit of room. Hmmm.... Wonder how those geniuses will solve THAT little problem...

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    1. Re:Video? by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not about the resolution, it's about the compression.
      With h.264 even HD files can be compressed to a manageable size. With iPod's large storage capacity one could easily carry half a dozen movies on it.
      With a video out, all you'd need is a TV to plug it in.

      The problems are, and I have no idea if they have been solved:
      -the battery life for outputting a movie
      -is the iPod beefy enough for h.264 decoding? (Possibly, through a dedicated hardware chip)

      Here's a good real-world explanation of h.264 and what it can do for HD.

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    2. Re:Video? by Blapto · · Score: 5, Informative

      What sort of length are we talking about? You can get 4 hours of video onto a DVD of 4.7GB (of a quality that you couldn't get better than on your typical household TV. If you have a fantastic plasma screen you may notice an improvement at 3 hours/DVD). So a 60GB iPod would hold about 2000 songs and 40 hours of DVD quality video. I'm sure they will be releasing larger hard drives at some point, this isn't going to require a fundamental overhaul.

    3. Re:Video? by LordLucless · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Forget decoding, how about encoding? How many people are going to sit there and wait while their computer spends half a day encoding a DVD into h.264?

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    4. Re:Video? by iainl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Video on an iPod gets a lot of criticism as an idea (I've made a fair bit myself, apart from anything), but part of the problem is that people hear "Video iPod", but they're just thinking "iPod that can play films".

      The VidPod makes sense, but only if you think beyond there. Right now, the iPod range has around 15 hours of battery when it's just playing music - you're going to get substantially less if you're decoding and displaying video. So 2 hour movies on a tiny screen when the battery is going to cave after a couple of them is indeed dumb.

      But there's more to video than movies. We keep hearing rumours that the BBC are somehow involved in today's announcement, and that means TV footage. The News as a video podcast? Last night's Top Gear? How about having individual receipes from cookery shows selectable?

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    5. Re:Video? by DavidLeblond · · Score: 2, Funny

      Duh, thats what the iVideo store will be for.

    6. Re:Video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "How many people are going to sit there and wait while their computer spends half a day encoding a DVD into h.264?"

      The same ones that obtain it illegally?

    7. Re:Video? by iainl · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One acronym: iTMS.

      I don't think they do plan on us spending half a day encoding a DVD to h.264. I think they plan on letting us download a pre-encoded TV programme, and charging us for the privelege.

      Sure, it's entirely possible that Apple will let us make our own. But I don't think they plan on passing up the opportunity to flog us stuff that saves us the bother.

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    8. Re:Video? by OzRoy · · Score: 2, Informative

      The compression that DVDs use is pretty old and crappy.

      A 600M xvid file will give you a movie at DVD quality.

      I'm sure there are lots of other formats out there that will give you just as good, and probably better quality.

    9. Re:Video? by rad_chad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      well, if you are watching the video from the iPod on a tv are you really worried about battery life? The tv itself has a source of power right? Just plug the iPod into that.

    10. Re:Video? by frostkells · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with you. However I really don't see the usefullness of Ipods. They were cool when they first came out but now they're just a fad. Most fads never last.

    11. Re:Video? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      DVD uses MPEG-2, which is almost as dated as video compression mechanism as MP3 is for audio coding. The H.264 movie trailers on Apple's site (which look very nice on a Cinema HD) are around 3Mbps for 1080p. At this encoding rate, you could get around 45 hours of HD video on a 60GB iPod. If you don't care about HD, H.264 is designed to scale down to mobile 'phones, so I would imagine on DVD-quality you get a fairly good bit rate - better than MPEG-4, probably somewhere around 400MB for a movie, maybe 200MB for a TV show.

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    12. Re:Video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A 600M xvid file will give you a movie at DVD quality.

      Is your vision really that poor? An xvid with that much compression looks awful, especially during scenes with a lot of movement.

    13. Re:Video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who buy a video iPod (viPod?) already have large collections of completely legal digital video files, just like the people who bought the very first first-gen iPods had acres of completely legal mp3s!

    14. Re:Video? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Well, with a two hour DVD using about 4 gigs, I would assume a 40 gig iPod Video could store ten movies at DVD quality, without doing any recompression or stripping out any special features (eg keeping all three English soundtracks - PCM, AC3, and the Director's commentary.) In practice, systems like MPEG4 coupled with removing unnecessary stuff you wouldn't want to carry around with you, could easily quadrupal that number without any noticable quality reduction.

      40 gig iPod with 40 full length movies, or 160 episodes of "Family Guy." Not impractical really, is it?

      Whether it's useful is another issue. Personally I think the idea's crap because movies already are portable in their "Can take to a friend's house and play on friend's TV" form, and most of us don't really do that that often. It's not like music where the ability to have your entire music collection at your finger tips whereever you are is genuinely a life improver.

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    15. Re:Video? by Txiasaeia · · Score: 1

      Carnivale S1E4 (Black Blizzard), for instance, is unwatchable with *any* compression. *Any* movement in any film is painful if you compress a 2 hr film down to 600MB. Maybe this kind of compression is watchable on a 2" screen, but your statement "A 600M xvid file will give you a movie at DVD quality" as it is is simply not true.

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    16. Re:Video? by dduck · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How about being able to walk down to the Blockbuster and charge the vPod with a dozen movies at one buck a pop? Now THAT would rock!

    17. Re:Video? by twbecker · · Score: 1

      Or, you could just take your DVD over to your friend's house. I seriously fail to see the allure of a "Video iPod". It takes a lot more. . .well effort, if you will to watch videos than it does to listen to music. You can't excercise, you can't work, hell you can't even walk down the street while watching a movie on something like that. How would you use such a device? I hope that if Apple does add video capability, that it makes it simply an additional feature of the basic iPod, rather than making an all new model with a premium price. Because honestly, with very few exceptions (people with long commutes on public transportation or teeny boppers that just think it's cool), I just don't think people would buy it. Am I missing something here?

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    18. Re:Video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      H.264 IS mepeg 4

    19. Re:Video? by badasscat · · Score: 4, Informative

      The compression that DVDs use is pretty old and crappy.

      It's the same compression used in our HDTV standard. It's intended for use at high bit rates, like HDTV or DVD. You're not going to get any better quality at those bit rates using another encoding scheme.

      A 600M xvid file will give you a movie at DVD quality.

      No, it won't. It may look similar, and maybe you have to take your eyes off the foreground action to see what xvid is doing to your movies, but I have never, ever seen any xvid rip that comes close to the original DVD.

      xvid and other mpeg-4 standards do well at what they're intended for - creating good-looking video at low bit rates. One of the intents of mpeg-4 (including h.264, which is mpeg-4 part 10) is delivery of high-quality movies over the internet. At that, xvid does a good job, but that doesn't mean an xvid movie encoded at 1mbps is going to look anywhere near as good as a DVD encoded at 9mbps. It never will. It's not possible. It will look "good enough" for some people, but not for those who are really interested in quality.

      mpeg-2 does not do well at low bit rates required for things like web delivery. This is one big reason why mpeg-4 was created. But if you're talking about encoding a movie such that it looks basically indistinguishable from the original, both mpeg-2 and mpeg-4 are going to require similarly high bit rates. (And yes, I've downloaded Apple's h.264 videos, before anyone brings that up - they are very large, if you've noticed. Some of them hit a couple hundred megabytes for 2-3 minutes of video.)

      People get this mixed up; they think because mpeg-4 is newer that it is more advanced than mpeg-2 in every way. It's not. It's better at low bit rates, but even comparing directly at similarly low bit rates, "better" does not mean "perfect". At high bit rates and otherwise identical settings, you can't tell the difference between the two standards.

      I encode video both as part of my job and also for laughs at home (and I've tried pretty much everything, including h.264 using Nero Digital, xvid, divx, QuickTime, WM9 and mpeg-2), so I have some level of practical experience with this. At home, I still actually just use mpeg-2 more often than not, because h.264 support is so spotty right now and the quality at the bit rates I use is the same between the two formats. For stuff I want people to download over the web, I've actually gotten better results with WM9 than I have with h.264 yet (probably mainly because playback support of h.264 is so spotty right now).

    20. Re:Video? by Dan+Ost · · Score: 1

      How long does a fad have to last before it stops being a fad?

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    21. Re:Video? by nine-times · · Score: 1
      A 600M xvid file will give you a movie at DVD quality.

      Apple seems pretty committed to h.264 right now, so I would expect they'd go with that instead of xvid. From what I understand (and from what I can tell from looking at it), the quality is better, too, but it requires more processing power to encode/decode.

      Now, neither of these formats will really give you DVD quality at 600MB per movie, but I'd say somewhere between 600MB and 1GB, you'll hit that level of "good enough for most people". Remember, the iTunes Music Store isn't selling lossless music; they're only encoded at 128kb/s. Why would we expect Apple to sell lossless movies?

    22. Re:Video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sell video for cheap at a resolution that's onmly watchable onan ipod and not a tv.,

    23. Re:Video? by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the ipod/itms was designed to capture the benefits of the libraries of pirated music on peoples desktops not sell music (Apple has sold about 16 songs for every ipod out there). How many songs do would you guess the average ipod has on it? While the video ipod is a facinating concept, it would not be driven by similar economics i.e. who wants to pay $300 for a device and $1 (shorts/single episodes of television) to $20 (feature films) downloads to function for a smaller version of your DVD case? I'll make you a darn cool dvd case (lots of metal and scratch resistant plastic) if that is what you want. Once a large number of people have a sizable collection of video on their computers you can expect a successful ivideo pod).

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    24. Re:Video? by Larmal · · Score: 1

      Why worry about encoding when *massive assumption coming up* you could just purchase the vids through iTunes?

    25. Re:Video? by Udo+Schmitz · · Score: 1
      "I know this may look like a really dumb comment in about 4 hrs"

      Just wait for the /. Story in 5 hours: "Less space than an XServe Raid, no TIVO, lame."

    26. Re:Video? by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Oh, so because YOU don't see the value, everybody else should, what? Throw their iPods into the ocean?

      Portable music is not a fad. The iPod is the current market leader in the portable music market.

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    27. Re:Video? by marleyboy · · Score: 1

      Idea: implement a form of wireless connectivity that the TVs and monitors of next year will have (WiFI perhaps?), so that when you go to a friend's place who has such a TV, all you have to do is set your iPod on broadcast and you can both watch the newest movie.

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    28. Re:Video? by Rauber · · Score: 1

      I encode a lot of video to QuickTime 7 on a dual 1.2 G4. I have found that H.264 takes an extremely long time when you encode to the highest quality. At the medium quality setting, it takes nearly half the time it would take at the higher quality. But even at medium, the quality is still subperb. I have found I can compress a 6:30 segment at medium quality to about 17 Mb, and maintain native 720x362 (letterbox) resolution.

      I encoded a 1 hr 40 min feature film, at medium quality to 300Mb at native 720x362 (letterbox) resolution. An Mp4 version at the same resolution was over 600 Mb.

    29. Re:Video? by marleyboy · · Score: 1

      Hell, to expand on it, why not just turn each iPod into a WiFi bittorrent seeder? Broadcast what you want (legal stuff of course ;) ). Gives new meaning to swarming.

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    30. Re:Video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yes, I've downloaded Apple's h.264 videos, before anyone brings that up - they are very large, if you've noticed. Some of them hit a couple hundred megabytes for 2-3 minutes of video.

      Um. Hey, asshole, did you notice that they're full-res HD? Of course they're large. They're 6 Mbps!

      But here's the thing. Encoding HD down to 6 Mbps and getting it to look good is an AMAZING feat. Broadcast HD, with your precious MPEG-2, is about 20 Mbps (25 Mbps on cable and satellite), and frankly it looks kinda like ass. H.264 makes HD look good at a third that bit rate or less.

      You just fundamentally don't understand video encoding, despite your protestations to the contrary. The idea is to get the same quality at a lower bit rate, which H.264 does hands down.

    31. Re:Video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this what you were looking for?

    32. Re:Video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not going to get any better quality at those bit rates using another encoding scheme.

      Are you sure you're sure on that one?

      but I have never, ever seen any xvid rip that comes close to the original DVD.

      When you "rip" a dvd you are taking video already compressed in a lossy format an converting to another lossy format. You should be working with uncompressed video to make any codec comparisons.

      At high bit rates and otherwise identical settings, you can't tell the difference between the two standards.

      You are talking about more than two standards here and what the hell does identical settings mean in this context?

      Please forgive me if I am wrong, but your encoding experience seems to be re-encoding, how shall we say, video that has already been compressed (cough, cough). That being said, the GP is completely wrong.

    33. Re:Video? by JulesLt · · Score: 1

      Seeing as we're now minutes away this is pointless speculation, but it is very interesting that the presentation is being simulcast at the BBC TV Centre. The BBC are already in trial of TV-over-IP-on-demand. They've also backed podcasting their radio content on iTMS.

      Now this is what I see as useful : iTMS on my Mac. The rumoured video enabled Airport Express round the back of the TV and hi-fi. Download program to Mac - stream to TV. I see that being far more of a business model that film on the go (niche - look at PSP UMD sales compared to games).

      Of course where I would go for video on the go is the podcasting model - I wouldn't buy a new iPod to get video but if I did have video I think I would take advantage of an option to have the morning news downloaded and ready on my iPod before the daily commute. Ditto episodes of an ongoing series. 15-30 minute video content where there's no real need to get detailed visuals. . . or I could listen to the news on the radio.

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    34. Re:Video? by rsborg · · Score: 1
      H.264 IS mepeg 4

      But MPEG-4 is not H.264... but MPEG4.10 is.

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    35. Re:Video? by irishfreakout · · Score: 1

      You underestimate the usefulness of bringing your porn collection everywhere

    36. Re:Video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Broadcast HD. You mean like how cable and satellite companies recompress some HD to save bandwidth? So it's no longer 25Mbps?

    37. Re:Video? by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      Both me and my brother collect DVDs. Including box sets, we would have over 300 DVDs, all together. Most of the stuff I'm interested in, I already have on DVD. I'd assume that their probably would not be a greater variety available from iTMS, and that their prices would probably be comparable to DVD (unlike music, you can't really split DVDs into parts and sell them cheaply by the track). I know at least a few people who have very large DVD collections, and I assume there are lots of others out there. With iPods, ripping music was painless and reasonably quick. But if you're expecting people to shift to a new format so soon after DVD came out, just so they can play it on their iPod...I wouldn't expect that to really take off.

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    38. Re:Video? by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      I'm not so sure about the useful bit either, but then my typical usage pattern isn't that of a typical commuter. (Which is why I don't own an iPod. I'm simply not mobile enough since I work from a home office 99% of the time. Coupled with an MP3 CD player in the car for when I travel. The nano is tempting becaues that might be useful for the quarterly business trip, but would still be an expensive toy.)

      As for portable video... could be useful on business trips. You would probably get less eyebrows raised by toting around an iPod then by carrying a stack of DVDs to stick in your laptop. Granted, you can stealth the DVDs by putting them in a nylon case. But the iPod is going to be smaller.

      Might work in a family car where you have video screens for the kids to watch. Having 20-40 DVD movies on-hand in the size of an iPod would be easier then managing 20-40 DVD discs. Plus, less wear and tear on the DVDs. (Shakes head... in *my* day you had to read books in the car if you wanted to be entertained!)

      But like I said... I'm probably not the target market for such a thing.

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    39. Re:Video? by Maserati · · Score: 1

      Oh, so because YOU don't see the value, everybody else should, what? Throw their iPods into the ocean?

      No, they should throw them into this box right here. Thank you. Next ?

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    40. Re:Video? by larvaedesign · · Score: 1

      its not about the video... It's about the SOCKS!!!!!!
      http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/A ppleStore?productLearnMore=M9720G/A
      hahahahahahaha

    41. Re:Video? by diabolo-nerd · · Score: 1

      I fail o understand why someone would need an ipod video. I personally do not feel the need to carry a little device that has videos on it everywhere. I would rather carry around DVD's and a portable DVD player or a usb hard drive and a laptop. If you have video on your ipod, you have less room for all of your favorite songs(alothough how many people have 10,00 favorite songs? Go figure) On another note, there are already enough ipod versions out there. Who needs more types? If you a different style mp3 player, go buy one from somebody else.

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  4. We knew that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like that "As Seen On TV" told us in April!

  5. Too many choices? by CyricZ · · Score: 0

    Perhaps Apple's getting to the point where they're offering consumers too many choices. I can see grannies, and perhaps even parents, being easily confused by all of these different music players and other devices when considering them as gifts for children.

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    1. Re:Too many choices? by ibentmywookie · · Score: 5, Informative

      Shuffle (512MB or 1024MB)
      Nano (2GB or 4GB)
      Normal (20GB or 60GB)

      3 types, 2 size choices for each, with a nice $50 price difference for each model.

      I think Apple are really good when it comes to coming up with a product lineup. It's other suppliers that are too confusing.

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    2. Re:Too many choices? by monkbent · · Score: 1

      3 is too many? Didn't seem to hurt them last quarter (over 6 million sold) ... That's why Apple [i]replaced[/i] the Mini with the Nano. 3 before, 3 now. They'll do the same with the regular iPod.

    3. Re:Too many choices? by UnixRevolution · · Score: 4, Funny

      There's no such thing as too many choices. Perhaps grannies and parents will get confused, but that's why we have salesmen to hear them out, listen to their needs, then help them select the most expensive model in stock.

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    4. Re:Too many choices? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not necessarily. One thing Apple seems to do is pull a product line as if it's being replaced by the "new thing." This is what they did with the mini, when the nano was released. I suspect that if they were to release something besides a mere memory upgrade, the older version would be phased out. Of course this is all moot if it is a video iPod -- but I think that is different enough not to cause confusion.

    5. Re:Too many choices? by jjares · · Score: 5, Funny

      Have you seen creative's lineup?

    6. Re:Too many choices? by NMerriam · · Score: 1

      No, Apple has been pretty ruthless about cutting back on models when they introduce new ones. They seem very much locked into the current 3-model iPod lineup, and offering two sizes of each model. That's not really very much, especially since there is a clear and unmistakable size/weight difference between each model -- every customer is likely to have a very specific preference depending on what activities they're using the iPod for.

      Other companies tend to make 3 or 4 or more models that are all the same size and just have different features, and that's where things get confusing for people who don't know the technical specs. Look at the Palm/PDA market as a first-time buyer and try to figure out why some models are $99 while others are $599.

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    7. Re:Too many choices? by GFunk83 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      You forgot the iPod Mini

    8. Re:Too many choices? by going_the_2Rpi_way · · Score: 2, Informative

      I tend to agree.

      I'm sure the author of this piece http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0006AD3 8-D9FB-1055-973683414B7F0000 would not, however.

    9. Re:Too many choices? by robbieduncan · · Score: 1

      Which was discontinued when they introduced the Nano. The above list is correct until the Apple event later today...

    10. Re:Too many choices? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "...with a nice $50 price difference for each model."


      This is something I've noticed....and wondered, does anyone ever just
      buy the lower model when it is ONLY $50 extra to often double the capacity of the iPod in question?

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    11. Re:Too many choices? by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Funny
      I don't know about you, but, when it comes to electronics for Xmas or other presents,

      I make sure and give written descriptions and model numbers so they can get it right. I give lots of choices, but, I do help them out so as to make sure they get me what I really want...

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    12. Re:Too many choices? by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1

      You've just hit the nail on the head in terms of explaining why Apple takes this strategy - encourages people to buy the more expensive model.

    13. Re:Too many choices? by kfg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I make sure and give written descriptions and model numbers so they can get it right.

      I do this as well. Then a salesman helps them select the most expensive model in stock instead.

      I'm an expert in the stuff. The salesman makes them forget that I'm the expert, because that's what he's expert at.

      He's also away from home.

      KFG

  6. iPod Video by TedTodorov · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It would have to be. Initially content will be Video Podcasts (like NerdTV), music videos, and hopefully TV shows. Also Apple needs to release software that will transcode non-encrypted DVDs or VIDEO_TS forlders, and let "third parties" do the rest.

    We will know more later today.

    1. Re:iPod Video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ipod video? I doubt it.

      The way this new Apple works is to wait until someone else establishes a market (think RIOs/Nomads/Yepps predating the iPOD by 3 years)

      As portable video players have only been on the market for around a year, I would expect Apple to wait around two years.

    2. Re:iPod Video by nine-times · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Also Apple needs to release software that will transcode non-encrypted DVDs or VIDEO_TS forlders, and let "third parties" do the rest.

      Apple has all the software it needs to rip DVDs and encode them in h.264 (good) in house already. All the pieces are already in the operating system (though some right now require a bit of freeware or an upgrade to quicktime pro). They'd just need to slap together an upgrade to iTunes, or else an iTunes-like application, that made it an easy process.

      The real issue, though, is the encrypted DVDs. This is a good example of overzealous copyright protection (DMCA) stifling innovation and fair use. Apple can't build an iTunes-for-video application so that I can take my movies on-the-go because DVDs are encrypted. I have, in fact, ripped DVDs for the purpose of keeping them on my powerbook for travel, but IFAIK, I was committing crimes by doing so.

    3. Re:iPod Video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus fucking Christ, MOD PARENT DOWN.

      It is NOT illegal to rip a DVD for your personal use. In fact, the law specifically says that circumvention of access or copy controls for the purpose of making fair use is NOT A CRIME. It says, "Nothing in this section shall affect rights, remedies, limitations, or defenses to copyright infringement, including fair use, under this title." Now, granted, you have to like UNDERSTAND WRITTEN ENGLISH to see that, but work on your reading comprehension skills. You'll get it someday.

  7. Wow.. by nahorniak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do we really need 5 posts regarding this subject? The question will be answered today. This article's basically saying "Apple will release...something... soon. Mark our words."

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    1. Re:Wow.. by nahorniak · · Score: 1

      It's like grade 4 all over again :)

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    2. Re:Wow.. by BlueHands · · Score: 1

      except not as many wedgies....

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  8. That's great! by Emrikol · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I am _SO_ glad I read this! On my way to work today, I talked myself 100% into buying a nano today. I am going to hold off for a few more days to see what else might be out there.

    It would be nice if I could get like a 6GB or 8GB nano. Or even an Ipod with removable/upgradable storage.

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    1. Re:That's great! by xao+gypsie · · Score: 1

      Or even an Ipod with removable/upgradable storage.
      I would want one with removeable everything, meaning if my battery goes out, screen gets scratched, etc, it could be replaced without having to buy a new one. I cannot conceive of how that would work, but it sure would be a nice feature to have.

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    2. Re:That's great! by iainl · · Score: 1

      They'd be mad to fiddle with the Nano lineup right now.

      Whatever this announcement is later today, if it's something iPod, it'll be an update for either the Shuffle (which hasn't had a single change since launch) or the Photo (or just 'iPod' as they call it since killing the black-and-white fullsize).

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    3. Re:That's great! by NMerriam · · Score: 1

      Well, the Nanos are brand-new, so they won't be changing. That's one of the few things you can be sure of, so if that was the size/weight you need, then there isn't much that will affect your decision.

      But the big iPods will probably be getting SOME change, and by the time you get to the store whatever new models are out will be available, so you can still buy it today :)

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    4. Re:That's great! by Golias · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Enough with the battery FUD.

      I just replaced my iPod battery last month. It was $20, including shipping, and came with a funky little plastic tool for opening up the iPod case. Changing it was easier than a memory upgrade on most laptops.

      The hardest part of the entire operation was lining up the pins to plug the hard drive back into the motherboard. That took me all of about thirty seconds.

      If you can't change the battery on an iPod while following the instructions that come with almost every replacement battery, you are a goddamn idiot.

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    5. Re:That's great! by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

      Easy. Shuffle with a colour OLED strip down the side so you can see what you're playing, as well as select tracks.

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    6. Re:That's great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad the Nano's battery is soldered on. Check the ars article linked earlier, has a picture and everything.

    7. Re:That's great! by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      Any links to which you can point us? I would like to buy something like that!

    8. Re:That's great! by Golias · · Score: 1

      Gladly

      Note some of the ads on the side are pimping prices even lower than what I paid.

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    9. Re:That's great! by Golias · · Score: 1

      Too bad the Nano's battery is soldered on.

      No, it's not.

      It's connected by three wires.

      Wires that are longer than the battery itself.

      Sure, those wires are then soldered to the board, but if you can't overcome something like that (either by splicing into the current wires or using a soldering gun to replace them entirely) then you should not be allowed to handle sharp objects, either.

      If you ever buy a boat, get somebody else to hook up the trailer lights for you.

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    10. Re:That's great! by interiot · · Score: 1

      1) That's a third-party alteration, which isn't really a problem, but some people will find it more or less dodgy. 2) The Nano's battery is soldered in, so it will require some re-soldering of the motherboard if you DIY.

    11. Re:That's great! by Golias · · Score: 1

      1) That's a third-party alteration, which isn't really a problem, but some people will find it more or less dodgy.

      Even though it's a better battery than the one that the iPod came with? (The battery sold by most of these third-party dealers has about 20% more charge in the case of the 3G iPod.)

      2) The Nano's battery is soldered in, so it will require some re-soldering of the motherboard if you DIY.

      Not exactly, no. The nano's battery leads are soldered to the motherboard. Wire strippers and electrical tape will do the job fine if you ph34r t3h solder. I'd be willing to bet that battery sellers will probably eventually include a special clamp-on wire-splicing kit which makes the process even more painless... But we are at least a year away from the first nano battery running out without warranty coverage, so there isn't really a market for such batteries and kits yet.

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    12. Re:That's great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the whole point is, we shouldn't need a battery kit with a special tool and a sheet of instructions to do something trivial like change out a battery. An integrated battery in a $300+ device is a poor design decision, now quit rationalizing it.

    13. Re:That's great! by Golias · · Score: 1

      I thought the whole point is, we shouldn't need a battery kit with a special tool and a sheet of instructions to do something trivial like change out a battery.

      The "special tool" is a plastic pry-bar, and the instructions are mainly there to make sure you don't do something colossally stupid like jam a screwdriver into a soaking wet lithium-ion battery.

      An integrated battery in a $300+ device is a poor design decision, now quit rationalizing it.

      No, a poor design decision would be a flimsy snap-on door for easy access to a battery which only gets changed once every 2-3 years, at the expense of bulking up the device.

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  9. Market Saturation... by GiorgioG · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It sounds like Apple's simply trying to cash-in quickly before their 'bubble' bursts. Don't get me wrong, the iPod is a great little device, but at some point the buzz + demand / supply will stabilize and the rest of the non-innovative companies will play copy & catch-up.

    1. Re:Market Saturation... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Which part of the iPod did Apple "innovate", in comparison to the "non-innovative" companies you mention? The companies that were selling portible media devices before Apple had though of adding "Pod" to it's i-naming scheme? The ones that offer cheaper, bigger, more functional, faster and smaller? Without DRM and obscuration restricting access to your own media on the device? Ones without needs for drivers?

      All that Apple have done is mount an incredibly successful marketing campaign, that hit at just the right time. Technically, the iPod isn't all that. Looks pretty though.

    2. Re:Market Saturation... by eV_x · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing that you're not basing this comment on reality since they just had record sales.

    3. Re:Market Saturation... by MrMickS · · Score: 4, Interesting
      sounds like Apple's simply trying to cash-in quickly before their 'bubble' bursts. Don't get me wrong, the iPod is a great little device, but at some point the buzz + demand / supply will stabilize and the rest of the non-innovative companies will play copy & catch-up ...

      You forgot to add "and this will be the death of Apple". All companies try to captialise "buzz". The iPod has had a great deal of "buzz" for the past couple of years and Apple have done well to keeping pushing the device so as to differentiate the iPod from the competition. Its not as though other companies, even ones with good brands (Sony Walkman), haven't been trying to steal Apple's thunder over this period. So far Apple have succeeded at beating them off.

      What a lot of people ignore when comparing the iPod with the other music players out there is the interface. Not the one the users use but the one that allows it to connect. This is the killer app that the iPod has, something that makes it more than just a portable music player. Look at the number of manufacturers that are offering iPod connectivity in their cars. The iPod will continue to grow, it may lose its buzz but, until someone comes along with something that can take its place, it will still provide a solid revenue stream for Apple.

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    4. Re:Market Saturation... by GiorgioG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How Apple's iPod is innovative: Sleek design combined with a great navigation system. I own a Creative Zen Micro. It's small, maybe you can call it sleek (not by iPod standards), but the navigation system is absolutely terrible. Which is why I can't even give it away to my father (he gave it back, too confusing.)

      Innovation isn't all about coming up with something brand new - in fact, most 'inventions' aren't ground-breaking (read a book on Triz, it spells out the various levels of innovation.)

    5. Re:Market Saturation... by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      It looks good, has an easy to use interface, and making it work with your Mac or PC is easy for someone that's not a computer geek. It's the combination of all this that's made it a success.

      I'm not sure what you're talking about with regards to drivers - on the Mac it Just Works(TM) and on the PC it's recognized as a standard USB mass storage device. Yes, you'll need drivers for connection by Firewire on PC, but if you're trying to do that, chances are, you know what you're doing anyway. And DRM is only for songs purchased from iTMS. Any existing mp3s you have (whether they're ripped from CDs you own, downloaded, whatever) will work just fine with an iPod.

      No, it's not the greatest thing ever, but it's an extremely solid, well rounded player, which is all 95+% of the target audience cares about anyway.

    6. Re:Market Saturation... by NMerriam · · Score: 1

      They did the same thing with digital music players that they did with desktop computers -- made them attractive to, and usable for, people who aren't interested in technology for technology's sake. Making a device that does one thing very well is much harder than making a device that kinda does 20 things acceptably.

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    7. Re:Market Saturation... by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      The user interface, which is not just what is displayed on the screen but the physical controls, would be a technical attribute. And it is indeed both innovative and the best in the market. Likewise integration is a technical attribute, and no one else before or since has done such a seamless integration of music store, computer and music player.

      Sure, the aestheric designs and the marketing have been unsurpassed, but if they were based on a empty promise, on a player that isn't such a delight to use as the iPod, the marketing wouldn't have worked.

    8. Re:Market Saturation... by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think if the US can support three cars per four people then saturation of the iPod market won't happen until we get 3 iPods per 4 people; with almost 300 million people, that means over 200 million iPods sold; since Apple is sold 6.5 million in the 4th quarter, and something like 6 million the quarter before, that means we have another 8 years at this rate, less if the sale rate increases.

      Of course someone else might catch up; Sony has a good chance, and so does Creative. That still doesn't diminish Apple's sales of course, only reduces it's acceleration as any good MP3 player will grow the market, rather than steal it from another player.

    9. Re:Market Saturation... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 0
      I don't rate the navigation system on the iPod. I have an iPod UI clone "pPod" (no longer legally obtainable) on my phone. It's nice and all, but it's a bit kludgy, especially if you have a large library. I much prefer the other media players that are available.

      Plus, gotta love the Apple-modding-zealotry!! ;-) "He said bad things about Apple, mod him down!!!"...

    10. Re:Market Saturation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think those 6 million per quarter are being sold to the same people. At least that's how my battery is looking.

    11. Re:Market Saturation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So... let's see if I have this straight. You don't like the iPod interface because you have a kludgy hack pseudo-iPod-interface on your mobile phone. I suppose you don't like OS X either because you have a skin for Windows XP and it looks all wierd and stuff?

    12. Re:Market Saturation... by nine-times · · Score: 1
      I think if the US can support three cars per four people then saturation of the iPod market won't happen until we get 3 iPods per 4 people; with almost 300 million people, that means over 200 million iPods sold; since Apple is sold 6.5 million in the 4th quarter, and something like 6 million the quarter before, that means we have another 8 years at this rate, less if the sale rate increases.

      Of course, within two years, 3 of those 6 million will be buying new iPods to replace the ones that are lost/broken, or just to get a smaller device, more HD space, or a higher-res screen. By the time those 8 years are up, 4th gen iPods will be collector's items.

      I know, you weren't being serious when you were suggesting that the market would saturate in 8 years. I'm just pointing out the obvious: the market for techie toys and gadgets won't ever saturate as long as they can release new versions with better features and more convenient form-factors. Of course, Apple will have to stay ahead of the competition by always offering better features (including a better interface, which is an important feature) and such, but they've shown a certain knack for that.

    13. Re:Market Saturation... by nine-times · · Score: 1
      I don't rate the navigation system on the iPod. I have an iPod UI clone "pPod" (no longer legally obtainable) on my phone. It's nice and all, but it's a bit kludgy, especially if you have a large library.

      You're kidding, right?

    14. Re:Market Saturation... by Shenkerian · · Score: 5, Funny
      So far Apple have succeeded at beating them off.

      May I suggest that you, in the future, choose between the phrases "beating them back" and "fending them off?"

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    15. Re:Market Saturation... by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "I think if the US can support three cars per four people..."

      What is your point on this? If you work or do anything for a living here, you pretty much need a car to get back and forth. You almost sounded as if this was a 'luxury' thing in comparison to the iPod, but, living here, I can tell you, it is not.

      And no...you just can't take public transportation...is isn't practical. One for instance, I'm down here in NOLA, hearing them pitching to build a light, fast train system between NOLA and Baton Rouge. While this would help in future emergency evacuations, it would be pretty useless in commuting as I am having to do. Once you get off the train, how the hell do you get way across town to you job? Over an hour commute by car is bad enough, but, to have to ride the train, and then take a bus or cab (which really isn't practical) with even more time and $$'s just doesn't cut it...

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    16. Re:Market Saturation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The important distinction to make is that if Apple is indeed releasing a video iPod, then it is taking a sideways step in the market. Just like there was a hole in the music player market (a decent high capacity digital player) at a time when people had the digital audio content to use, but no vehicle in which to use it, the argument could be made that consumers are now, or will soon be at that point with digital video.
       
      In that sense you could say that Apple is really attempting to combat saturation by meeting new needs, which will lead to 2nd and maybe even 3rd iPods for individuals. But, for the record, I agree with the fact that Apple has not approached saturation in the music player market. Particularly if they drop the nano pricepoint (not that I've seen anything indicating that)

    17. Re:Market Saturation... by BewireNomali · · Score: 0

      The stock market agrees with you. their stock is down 5% already today. Despite setting record sales, they actually missed expectations and came in under the results expected by the market.

      Analysts believe that the IPOD's popularity has peaked. The other concern is actually that once a critical mass of the population has IPODs, there will be less of a reason to get a new one. Similar to the PC ramp-up... the sales along the way to a monopoly are typically higher than maintenance sales. Analysts see Apple going into the maintenance phase of the IPOD cycle, meaning that the IPOD has become a mature product. Jobs feels similar, which is why he regularly releases new IPODS in order to bolster quarterly earnings. He will most certainly announce something soon in order to stem the bloodletting from their lower than expected quarterly earnings.

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    18. Re:Market Saturation... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      Sure, the aestheric designs and the marketing have been unsurpassed, but if they were based on a empty promise, on a player that isn't such a delight to use as the iPod, the marketing wouldn't have worked.

      Nonsense. The people who tended to buy iPods (and those who it was marketed to) were not the "try before you buy" type, nor were they the kind who researched other brands. They call any mp3 player "an iPod". Sure, many IT literate people bought one, but they are the minority.

      and no one else before or since has done such a seamless integration of music store, computer and music player.

      Yes, that's defo a good plus point, however no one has marketed any mp3 device until the iPod. It's success is down to it's marketing, nothing more. It doesn't matter how good it is; if folk don't know it exists, they won't want it. The iPod was selling out as it hit the stores. That doesn't come from word-of-mouth or hands-on experience as you suggest.

    19. Re:Market Saturation... by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. The people who tended to buy iPods (and those who it was marketed to) were not the "try before you buy" type, nor were they the kind who researched other brands.

      Want to bet? I wasn't going to buy an iPod (or any HD music player for that matter), but my friend lent me his to play with and then I wanted one and got it soon after. And that was back in the early days, his was a first generation 5GB large, thick and heavy iPod by today's standards, and mine is a 2nd generation. I've never yet seen someone play with an iPod for the first time without a big broad smile appearing on their face. So try before you buy isn't just something you do in stores (though of course plenty of people do it that way too).

      And AFAIR they hadn't even begun to market it in the UK where I live at the time. No TV or poster ads back then. The iPod sells itself. But top notch marketing sells it even faster.

    20. Re:Market Saturation... by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      I don't rate the navigation system on the iPod. I have an iPod UI clone "pPod" (no longer legally obtainable) on my phone. It's nice and all, but it's a bit kludgy, especially if you have a large library.

      LOL! You're criticising the iPod on the basis of a tribute application running on an entirely different device! Unbelievable. You don't suppose the reason why you had trouble with a big library was because you didn't have a scroll wheel do you?

      There's a lesson there that I already pointed out in my message earlier to one of your other posts. The UI is what appears on the screen AND the physical controls. Big libraries are no problem at all on a real iPod. The scroll wheel is a perfect interface for scrolling through a long list on a small screen - finely controlled speed of scrolling, and stop on a dime.

    21. Re:Market Saturation... by drsquare · · Score: 1

      I think the idea is:

      1. If Apple (of Google) do something, it's innovative.
      2. If someone else does exactly the same thing, it's a rip off.

    22. Re:Market Saturation... by lemkebeth · · Score: 1

      Depends on where you live in the US and your transport options.

      Since I'm legally blind as well as deaf, I can't drive period. To get to the other side of DC from the eastern suburbs will take about an hour and a half to two hours using public transport.

      And that is the best case scenario.

      In rural areas, your only real option is indeed by car. In areas that are only sprawl, then you might be stuck with either a lengthly bus ride or car. As you are from the LA area (at least I think NOLA means North of LA), then you are in what I call an uncontrolled sprawl zone with bad public transport.

      I wish people would not drive so much it would make developers and towns think more about this sort o thing.

    23. Re:Market Saturation... by topper24hours · · Score: 1

      I think you make a somewhat reasonable point in that demand at some point will level, however I don't get the "Creative Labs + Sony have a good chance of stealing their thunder" line of thinking. Sony has some large products in the works and some great ones available and works closely w/ Apple. I would no sooner assume Sony would try to replace iPod than assume Apple would try to replace PSP. Of course Sony sells mp3 players and will continue. For them to suddenly change their R&D budget drastically towards this teeny part of their overall product plan in an effort to squeeze out Apple would be a sad waste of time and money. I care not to even discuss Creative Labs inability to come close to iPod further than to say - with them having started producing mp3 players a few YEARS before iPod came out (IIRC), if they could have caught up they would have by now!

    24. Re:Market Saturation... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      You don't suppose the reason why you had trouble with a big library was because you didn't have a scroll wheel do you?

      No, it had that. It was running on a touch-screen device, so you could even click on the entries in the list over and above the base functionality. It was an almost-complete implementation of a particular revision of the firmware. That's why they got cease-and-desisted into oblivion. The only thing missing from the scroll-wheel was the tactile "roundness" of it, but drawing my thumb in circles on the screen wasn't an issue. I rarely use the stylus anyways.

      Buy yes, you and the others are right, I can't judge the iPod on just this. I have actually used one you know, the UI is good (an Apple trademark feature), but it's nothing to get a hard-on over. Really. My point was that given the choice of the Apple interface, I'm not using it.

      Big libraries are no problem at all on a real iPod.

      Really? The only reason I have never bought one is because they don't make one big enough for my music library. Perhaps we differ on the definition of a "big library"? ;-) If they brought one out that was big enough, I'd likely buy it just to create a third copy of my collection to keep in the car (i.e. not at home where the primary and backup are).

    25. Re:Market Saturation... by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      the UI is good (an Apple trademark feature),

      There we go. You do agree after all.

      but it's nothing to get a hard-on over.

      No one's talking about hard ons, just that marketing isn't the only theing that has made the iPod do successful. The marketing works so well because there's a decent device behind it. The marketing creates the expectation, and people are not disappointed when they buy. If they were, word of mouth would kill it.

      Really? The only reason I have never bought one is because they don't make one big enough for my music library. Perhaps we differ on the definition of a "big library"? ;-)

      You're changing the context of the comment. Your complaint about large libraries was originally about navigating it. On the size aspect, you may well have a larger library. Mine's 8.5GB, 2144 songs 7 days playing time. And still there's plenty that I never listen to. But on the largest iPod I could have a 7 times that. 60GB 7 weeks playing time.

      If you are claiming that you need to carry around more than 7 weeks continuous playing time on your portable music player, then I'm sorry but I don't believe you.

    26. Re:Market Saturation... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "As you are from the LA area (at least I thin NOLA means North of LA)"

      Sorry...local thing. NOLA = New Orleans, LA

      :-)

      Of course many of our addresses down here have changed without much notice...

      :-)

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    27. Re:Market Saturation... by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I think if the US can support three cars per four people then saturation of the iPod market won't happen until we get 3 iPods per 4 people; with almost 300 million people, that means over 200 million iPods sold; since Apple is sold 6.5 million in the 4th quarter, and something like 6 million the quarter before, that means we have another 8 years at this rate, less if the sale rate increases.

      Well, there is probably something like 10 ballpoint pens for every person in the US. What does that mean for iPods and automobiles? Nothing! You're reasoning makes no sense whatsoever.

    28. Re:Market Saturation... by dangitman · · Score: 1
      It's success is down to it's marketing, nothing more. It doesn't matter how good it is; if folk don't know it exists, they won't want it.

      That's absolute bullshit. The iPod was already a huge success in the Mac world, before the big marketing campaigns started, after the release of the Windows version. The iPod gained its success because of the quality of the product, and word-of-mouth among Mac users. People used to buy Macs just to use an iPod, before the Windows version!

      The marketinng came after the excellent reviews in the press, and the reputation for being a highly usab;e, solid player. The "fashion" aspect did not come until later.

      The people who tended to buy iPods (and those who it was marketed to) were not the "try before you buy" type, nor were they the kind who researched other brands. They call any mp3 player "an iPod".

      Only AFTER it was a hit among technically-savvy Mac users. Every MP3 player was certainly not called an iPod during the initial sales, only after market dominance. get your history straight.

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    29. Re:Market Saturation... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      If you are claiming that you need to carry around more than 7 weeks continuous playing time on your portable music player, then I'm sorry but I don't believe you.

      Perhaps if you are planning to go abroad for several years and are really really fanatical about music? I am. And as I said, it would be nice to have backup that was out of the house when I wasn't there while I'm living here. Fire etc. My music library is that important to me, but so is a lot of other data on that HD. Definately on my "get it out the house" list in event of disaster.

      We're going to have to disagree on the reason behind it's success. iPod was cool, having white earbuds was a fashion accessory (and a fantastic idea on behalf of the designers). It was wall-to-wall advertising in the lead up to the release. There were numerous adverts, with music that later went on to chart. Word of mouth helped, but iPod was the word on everyones lips at the time and it wasn't due to technical merit or UI design.

    30. Re:Market Saturation... by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Perhaps if you are planning to go abroad for several years and are really really fanatical about music? I am. And as I said, it would be nice to have backup that was out of the house when I wasn't there while I'm living here. Fire etc. My music library is that important to me, but so is a lot of other data on that HD. Definately on my "get it out the house" list in event of disaster.

      Uh huh. So the iPod alternative that you use, how much capacity does it have?

      It was wall-to-wall advertising in the lead up to the release. There were numerous adverts, with music that later went on to chart. Word of mouth helped, but iPod was the word on everyones lips at the time and it wasn't due to technical merit or UI design

      No it wasn't pre-advertised. As always, Apple doesn't pre-announce. The day before the release there were rumours that there was a new pocketable device coming from Apple, but most people were guessing it was a PDA. The day that it was released, my friend ordered it, and it arrived mail order within the week. It was not possible for there to have been ANY advertising before the release.

      We're going to have to disagree on the reason behind it's success.

      Disagree all you like, but your impression is based on flawed recollection. And as someone who has bought one, and who knows others that have bought them, I feel rather more qualified to comment on why.

    31. Re:Market Saturation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish people would not drive so much it would make developers and towns think more about this sort o thing.

      I'm not sure which came first... whether the automobile was a cause of sprawl or whether it just enabled it. Cheap fuel was definitely a factor. Cheap land prices are usually also a factor. You also get "dumb" zoning where they set aside one area for residential and put the commercial zones all together somewhere else.

      I grew up in outer suburbia (avg acreage was 1-3+ acres for each house). The nearest store was a good 5-10min away by car. Grocery store was 15min and a typical work commute was 10min on secondary roads followed by 10-30min on interstate/beltways.

      Nowadays, I live in a small city, within walking distance of a small corner market and a few other places. Nowhere as convenient as living in Manhatten for getting around, but there's at least a bus stop or two within walking distance. (During the winter, if there's snow around I can get away without driving for a few days.)

      Granted, I'm single and don't have kids to worry about. Which is why quite a few folks like to move out to the 'burbs, rather then have their kids grow up in a more crowded and uncontrolled environment. Not saying that it's better to raise kids out in the 'burbs, but a lot of folks believe it is.

      Now, some towns / counties / governments / developers are starting to think about the effect of a car-only development. The states have gotten tired of paying for upgrades to secondary roads. Heck, they've been talking about "smart development" around these parts (eastern US) for at least a decade. One of the common themes about a decade ago around here was "greenways" which are swaths of forest / parks / paths that allow people to get around without having to walk on a road/street.

      Other developers are trying to re-create small towns. Where you have a development with a commercial "core" full of small shops.

    32. Re:Market Saturation... by identity0 · · Score: 1

      Well, Apple's been teasing them for some time. They've managing to hold them in, but at some point the competitors are going to come, regardless of whether Jobs wants it in his face or not. He'll just have to take it from behind as they catch up.

    33. Re:Market Saturation... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      So the iPod alternative that you use, how much capacity does it have?

      No HD unfortunately, so it's SD-RAM cards, got several. It does have WiFi and works with network shares, plus it can do just about anything you'd need, ssh, email, decent web browser. While I'm on the road, it will save carrying a laptop, which is something I don't want to be lugging around. I'd rather leave mine at home. With a SD-RAM digicam, I could upload photos/videos to my home box from anywhere. There are some neat tiny wifi access points that you can slot a laptop HD drive in, and have a portable network, but that just seems extreme, plus it's a battery hog on both devices. Hey, I love my gadgets! :-) I'd converted my CD-library to mp3 before Napster existed, for a PC jukebox. At 128kbits. That stung, took a while to redo!! My current jukebox at home is web controlled, by the pda or whatever PC I'm at. Couldn't do that with iTunes, unless they've added it since I last looked into it. With my media in network shares, I just change the music on the cards without needing to hook up to a PC, or even stream it directly over the web from anywhere on the planet with an above-modem speed connection.

      Carrying several gadgets when you don't have to doesn't appeal to me. The reason I'm not so fond of the iPod is because it doesn't meet my needs and I guess I'm probably a little tainted by that. If it worked seemlessly over USB I'd be sold, but you have to install drivers, and getting the music back off is a bit of a hack. With my SD-RAM cards, at least I can pop them into my usb stick and directly access the files on any recent PC/mac. I like giving friends samples of new music when I'm out and about (+receiving!), and I have friends in far off places with iPods that have had the same music for a year that are itching for new stuff. It even worked out-the-box on all of my linux boxes, much to my surprise, no need for any installs. When you are at untrusted internet cafes, something simple is neccessary as you generally shouldn't be installing software, nor can you really trust them either. I'm not sure if iTunes has a kiosk function, but I doubt it. You'd need to associate the PC with the player, right? If it can interface a player directly with my PDA, even better, as I then get SSH with trusted host keys and encryption, never need to touch a dodgy PC, I'd imagine at the very least the majority are spyware laiden. Booking flights with a credit card? Yikes!

      Carrying an iPod (for me) would mean having two completely separate devices that could never talk to each other. That just seems wrong. Plus, I've had an mp3 phone for a long time, and just having it there all the time is very convient. With another device, you have to remember to bring it. If you are going out clubbing, you don't want to be leaving it in the cloakroom. I live in Glasgow, which like any large city can be a little scary at times especially as the clubs all have to close at a mandated time and the steets are full of drunk people. Popping earphones in actually helps, as you don't get the random chat that most conflicts develop from. Just set your eyes on the horizon and march. Unless they want to steal your player that is! Just having it there all the time is great, I find I walk places a lot more rather than drive/buses/cabs etc in general life.

      Finally, I'm not a fan of DRM. People who have bought music from iTunes are restricted to only playing that music on Apple approved devices. Complete vendor lock-in. That's just wrong, and I personally hope that ultimately laws will be passed to force compatibility. The issue has already been getting minor rumbles in the media, but nothing big.

      Sorry for the long post, but I thought you'd deserved me justifying why I'm not an iPod fan. For many, they are their first intro into portable media and I'm sure they rock. But really, there is nothing really new that they do, nor do they do anything in a more consumer-rights friendly way.

    34. Re:Market Saturation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And analysts, as we know, are always right about everything, especially stuff that's tech. related.

    35. Re:Market Saturation... by larvaedesign · · Score: 1

      No way, for most people that do absolutely no research into purchases the only portable music product is an ipod, and they are always making it better. They are problaby just keeping us nerds happy, its not an easy thing to do but they do it well. I think Steve just likes staying ahead.

    36. Re:Market Saturation... by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 1

      My reasoning should be pretty clear:

      An affluent population (such as the US) can afford a certain amount of luxury along with a certain amount of necessity. Cars are part luxury and part necessity (4 wheels is the necessity, but an SUV is a luxury).

      Do you want another statistic to reinforce my logic?
      3 TVs per 4 people.

      So if we can afford 3 TVs per 4 people and 3 cars per 4 people, I think the MP3 player market can stabilize at 3 MP3 players per 4 people too.

      My logic, if you aren't aware, is called correlation and induction; if two disparate markets such as TVs and automobiles have a proportion of 3 per 4 people, I am proposing that iPods/MP3 players will too.

    37. Re:Market Saturation... by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 1

      My logic is both correlation and induction:
      Nearly 3 TVs per 4 people in the US.

      The correlation; both TVs and automobiles are mature markets. I'm predicting when the MP3 market becomes a mature market. The induction is if luxury (TV) and necessity (cars) mature to 3/4 per capita, then so will MP3 players.

      Oh, and your post brings up an EXCELLENT corollary; commuting (by car or by train) becomes more bearable with an mp3 player such as an iPod :)

  10. The Dream iPod - music, movies, games, HDD & e by digitaldc · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Once all of these features are incorporated into one device with larger than 100GB of storage, I will buy one. For now, I will suffer as being not part of the iPod masses.

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  11. Will the influx of new Ipods.... by dl107227 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Will the influx of new Ipods bring the price of the current models to levels where I may decide to buy one? The main thing that has kept me from getting an Ipod is the battery. I spend alot of time working outdoors and a replaceable battery is something that works very well for me. If the battery dies I just put in a new AA (iriver 300 series). Even if it a proprietary battery if it replaceable I want the ability to poop in a fully charged battery. If I wasn't so flighty I could be sure to charge the device every night but that, unfortunately is not the case for me.

    1. Re:Will the influx of new Ipods.... by MatrixCubed · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've never pooped in a battery, myself.

    2. Re:Will the influx of new Ipods.... by jelloshotgun · · Score: 1

      I want the ability to poop in a fully charged battery.

      I guess we all have our own dreams...

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    3. Re:Will the influx of new Ipods.... by klayman · · Score: 1

      Why would you want to poop in a fully charged battery, sure it's more environmentally friendly power but c'mon!

      Remind me to never borrow your iPoop, ick!

    4. Re:Will the influx of new Ipods.... by dmacleod808 · · Score: 1

      You made my morning as well... I laughed out loud at work, I got some funny looks for sure.

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    5. Re:Will the influx of new Ipods.... by iainl · · Score: 1

      Apple now offer a battery replacement service, which if you can get to an Apple Store (admittedly not everyone can) doesn't cost much more than replacing the fancypants lithium batteries in the other mp3 devices that use them.

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    6. Re:Will the influx of new Ipods.... by aliensporebomb · · Score: 1

      My family still has a 1st Generation 5 GB iPod and it's still on
      its original battery and up until just recently has gotten a lot
      of use.

      It was actually my wifes but once she got a Mini around May she
      lets it sit around. I'm thinking of annexing it for the car.

      My 20 gig 4th gen unit is great but that original iPod is still
      a pretty robust device. My wife even spilled orange juice on it
      and after it was cleaned off it still works like a champ.

    7. Re:Will the influx of new Ipods.... by boobert · · Score: 1

      What a great battery..... For me to poop on!!!!!

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    8. Re:Will the influx of new Ipods.... by porcupine8 · · Score: 1
      Will the influx of new Ipods bring the price of the current models to levels where I may decide to buy one?

      You obviously don't buy Apple products much. They almost never reduce the price on existing models - they just upgrade what you can get at each price point. So the nano isn't likely to cost under $199 anytime soon (or ever), but a year from now you'll be able to get twice the space for that price.

      If you want a cheaper iPod, try ebay, or refurbished models in Apple's store.

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    9. Re:Will the influx of new Ipods.... by idsofmarch · · Score: 1

      Hey, you could get an iPod and a solar charger and not have to sully the environment with all your used-up akalines. Or you could just charge the damned thing every night. Do you have a cell phone? How does that work?

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    10. Re:Will the influx of new Ipods.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you tried hot grits? You should.

    11. Re:Will the influx of new Ipods.... by tbone1 · · Score: 1
      • Even if it a proprietary battery if it replaceable I want the ability to poop in a fully charged battery.

      And that young man ... was Chuck Berry ... and now you know ... the rest of the story.

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  12. They Better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Getting dumped by their chip supplier was a death sentence for the Mac hardware.

    Jobs better pray he can turn the iPod/iTMS side of the company into a self contained and self supporting entity before they have to exit the x86 hardware market. WTG Steve, you gambled and got burned playing hardball with IBM.

    The iPod's dominance is staggering, but long term Apple needs to come up with something beyond a simple, though elegant, set of players. The rest of the computing world is slowly, very slowly, getting their shit together.

    1. Re:They Better by 10Ghz · · Score: 4, Informative
      Getting dumped by their chip supplier was a death sentence for the Mac hardware.


      I find it interesting that you said this right after Apple announced that sales of Mac-hardware increased by about 50% when compared to last year. If that means that Mac is "dying", I would LOVE to see what it would be like when it's thriving!
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    2. Re:They Better by NMerriam · · Score: 4, Funny

      I hope if I ever get a "death sentence", it only lasts for a year and I get 30 billion dollars in the bank. That's the kind of death I could get into.

      The 1990's called -- they want "Apple is Dying" back.

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    3. Re:They Better by 10Ghz · · Score: 1
      Welcome to the wonderful world of x86 commodity hardware!


      So, because Apple moves to x86, it means that their computers turn in to crap? Uh, OK... Or are you saying that people will use OS X in their Dell's? Unlikely. Some uber-geeks might do it, but regular Joe's will not, and Mac-fans will not do it either.

      See you in a year dipshit.


      Sure! Same place, same time?
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    4. Re:They Better by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      "Apple Computer
      proudly going out of business since 1978"

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      the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

  13. I know! I know! by batlock666 · · Score: 4, Funny

    iPod Suppo.

  14. Dream iPod - music, movies, games, HDD & email by digitaldc · · Score: 1

    with email too

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    He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
  15. Ogg Support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    I'm sure they won't have ogg support, so it means nothing to me.

    1. Re:Ogg Support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Why is parent post modded flamebait? The missing support for a file format like ogg is a huge disadvantage. IMHO the iRiver products are superior to all the iPods and whenever somebody suggests that the iPods are not much more than a hype bubble, he's modded down. Just as this post. I have an iRiver H120 (kinda old) and it has analog/digital(optical) in/outs, can play various audio formats, can easily be used as an external USB storage device and has a lot more features than all the iPods so far. Why is it, that whenever an iPod gets a storage upgrade, we have a slashdot article? I haven't seen anything like that for any other digital audio player. Slashdot becomes more and more a Apple fanclub forum. Yes, I clicked the AC checkbox, because I can see this modded down to hell.

    2. Re:Ogg Support? by aliensporebomb · · Score: 1

      While OGG would be of interest to Linux fans, few outside of the
      "avid computer enthusiast" sphere have heard of it or would have
      use for it.

      Now, the optical digital inputs/outputs would be of interest to
      me for sure but I can't see the average consumer wanting it or
      seeing a need for it.

      All iPods have been useable as external storage drives since the
      first model was released.

      Most individuals consider the lack of a radio a plus mainly due
      to the inane radio formats in this country (USA).

      Generally, what the average consumer is looking for is ease
      of use, that it is compact and looks cool. Sound is probably
      a secondary consideration for some of them.

    3. Re:Ogg Support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's NOT huge. Its comments like yours that lead to the stereotypes of geeks needing to get out more. Most people wouldn't know what Ogg is, and more probably know the name as a Terry Pratchett character than as an audio format. Heck, I know many intelligent people who work in a technical environment who are barely aware what Linux is. These things are just not important to the greater universe.

    4. Re:Ogg Support? by iainl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Optical digital output actually built into the iPod strikes me as an enormous waste of space, but if they could supplement the analogue line-out on the back of the Dock with an optical one it would be very nice indeed. If I need an optical output, it's to feed a hi-fi that's capable of exploiting the difference in sound quality between the two, which probably means it's both big and stationary enough to make the Dock the ideal place.

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    5. Re:Ogg Support? by Pxtl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is more than simple raw technical comparison. The iPod wins out hands down against any other player in terms of form factor and UI. Plus, the consistency of quality of their products keep people coming back. Creative can't capitalize on a name the way iPod can because iirc Creative had a string of mediocre mp3 players before the iRiver.

    6. Re:Ogg Support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [...] who are barely aware what Linux is.

      Linux? It has nothing to do with Linux. We're talking about an audio file format.

    7. Re:Ogg Support? by coleridge78 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The iPod has been around for four years as of next week.

      The reason you get modded "flame" or "troll" when suggesting that iPods are coasting on a "hype bubble" or some such is because that is a flaming troll. We're well past the point of hype.

      Someone above laughably said: "When the iPods first came out they were cool, now they're just a fad." Zuh? No, they were a fad when they came out. That's what a fad is. It's long past a fad at this point. Now it's just plain old "cool" reaching the point of "standard equipment" for a certain (affluent) section of the population.

      Seriously. Four years of steadily increasing sales != fad or hype. Exactly, precisely, inimitably the opposite.

    8. Re:Ogg Support? by kfg · · Score: 0, Troll

      These things are just not important to the greater universe.

      I do not buy personal mp3 players to be used by the greater universe. I buy them for my personal use.

      No Vorbis support? No sale. I am the only arbiter of what is a huge issue in my purchases.

      Neither I nor the OP give a damn about is and is not a huge issue to Apple or the greater universe. That's somebody else's problem.

      KFG

    9. Re:Ogg Support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I had my mod points, I'd mod you so good you'd never know what hit you...

      Finally some logic arrives to save the day.

    10. Re:Ogg Support? by dangitman · · Score: 1
      The diminutive Airport Express base-station has a combination optical/analog copper minijack. I can't imagine that adding an LED for optical output would be bulky - and you don't need to use the A/D converter because it's direct digital. That may even save battery life if it is switched off while using optical out.

      I'd rather see video out on an Airport Basestation than on the iPod, anyway.

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  16. Apple's Special Event by mattyohe · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you want to catch the latest products about to be released today, check out the rumor sites at 10am PDT, I'm sure one of them will be following it. They currently think the Video iPod will debut today.

    thinksecret
    appleinsider

    Or just checkout apple's website later today!

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    1. Re:Apple's Special Event by kex · · Score: 1

      Quoted from the apple insider article in parent...

      "Apple retail stores saw 14.8 million visitors during the quarter, which breaks down to 9800 thousand visitors per store, per week." 9,800,000 per store per week? Isn't that slightly more than 14.8 million users total?

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    2. Re:Apple's Special Event by Tsiangkun · · Score: 1
  17. Re:One product shop by LittleGuernica · · Score: 1

    Obviously you haven't taken the time to check Intel's roadmap, it's very promising and very low temp. And the IBM's aren't really optimal lately, Apple doesn't use liquid cooling because they procs run so cool..

  18. One more thing... by going_the_2Rpi_way · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just another example of "one more thing" marketing as discussed, say, here: http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,69172,00 .html?tw=rss.TOP.

    I wonder -- is preaching to the converted really sustainable though?

    1. Re:One more thing... by John+Nowak · · Score: 1

      I wonder -- is preaching to the converted really sustainable though?

      It works for The Vatican.

    2. Re:One more thing... by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 1

      It seems to be working so far; the secret is continually converting more people to your cause.

      Given that 30 million iPods have been sold, and probably only 1/4 or less are to Mac users, it would seem Apple is doing a good job of converting.

  19. Video on the iPod by HaloZero · · Score: 0

    I'm sorry, but I really don't see how a video iPod is such a great idea. Nice bell/whistle effect? Yes. Do you really wanna sit on a train holding that bastard for two hours to watch a movie? Probably not.

    You know what'd be a really nice feature? An iPod with a USER REPLACEABLE BATTERY. Now, with as heavy as a portable hard disk drive is (not that it's an unmanagable brick, it isn't, but compared to the nano...) an 80GB iPod would probably be pretty hefty. Slap on a bigger screen, a wireless antenna, and an email client, and you'll give the rest of the market a run for their money. Palm's biggest drawback for me was storage space; I couldn't put my MP3s on my Palm Pilot. So it was either iPod or Palm. Well, one day, there wasn't enough space for the both of them, and the palm got shelved. (Since then, my girlfriend has stolen my iPod, and I can't find my Palm, but I digress...)

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    1. Re:Video on the iPod by iainl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do I want to watch a 2 hour movie on an iPod? No.

      Do I want to watch a 10 minute news bulletin podcasted to my iPod? Yes.

      Do I want to watch a 22 minute episode of the Simpsons on my iPod? Yes.

      Don't think films, think TV.

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    2. Re:Video on the iPod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >An iPod with a USER REPLACEABLE BATTERY

      it exists already, nooby mcfudalot

    3. Re:Video on the iPod by interiot · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Think Tom Cruise jumping up and down on a couch.

      Think Jon Stewart's appearance on Crossfire

      Think Super-Bowl wardrobe malfunction

      Think just about any online video that you'd email your friends, but since video is sometimes slow to download, think about just handing them your iPod for a second.

      (though, as the old adage goes... think porn)

    4. Re:Video on the iPod by davesag · · Score: 1

      do i want to use bittorrent to nab all 8 episodes of "That's My Bush" and whack them onto my iPod then take them into the auditorium at work and sit around at lunch time watching some pretty fucking hillarious tv with some workmates? - sure why not; doesn't everyone know someone who has a fat pipe and open ports? do i want to watch an episode of "Nip Tuck" on the 50mt train ride to work? - Is the Kennedy family gunshy? Does the pope shit in the woods? hell I bought the dvd, i should be allowed to rip it to my pod with handbrake. in terms of who'll buy these video ipods there is what i calll the lesser wave: the millions of us for whom every working day, and many holidays, involve a long commute, either on some form of public transport, or as a passenger in private transport. or stuck on a mid-to-long-haul flight. then comes the greater wave. do i want to use iMovie to throw together little video podcasts for my friends back home? I just noticed that my phone saves as little quicktime movies too.. this is the real business driver because it drives sales of hardware and peripherals and software. - if apple can podcast video feeds and make the creation of the same as easy as iMovie and iDVD, then they'll really ride this wave.

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    5. Re:Video on the iPod by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Do I want to watch a 10 minute news bulletin podcasted to my iPod? Yes.

      Problem is, the ipod doesn't have the Internet. If you have an ipod and decide to watch some news, you can't do it. You have to download it and transfer it in advance. In which case you may as well watch it as you download it, or just read the news of teletext.

    6. Re:Video on the iPod by jatemack · · Score: 1

      So let it be written, so let it be done.

      Updates from the Media Event

      iPod: 30GB/60GB with Video - realtime decoding of MPEG4 and H.264. 260,000 colors. Video out

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    7. Re:Video on the iPod by MetaPhyzx · · Score: 1

      TV shows? Ideal. Considering all the complaints we get here about networks (ahem HBO) not too fond of bit-torrent copies of broadcast shows. Maybe they can partner with Apple, and cop some money from those that dont subscribe but are willing to pay two bucks for a copy

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  20. How 'bout both? by epohs · · Score: 5, Informative

    Maybe not indestructible, but they're already pretty damn tough http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nano.ars/3

    1. Re:How 'bout both? by generic-man · · Score: 1

      I'd rather use an MP3 player that can survive being placed in a pocket than one that looks like it was run over by a car repeatedly.

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    2. Re:How 'bout both? by danamania · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm finding mine pretty tough. It has no case, sits in pockets and goes walking with me, sits on my messy desk, has been slept on most nights since I bought it, driven with, packed in my camera bag, it's been lost temporarily between cushions on the sofa, dropped in a mug of hot tea (oops) and been slammed in the car door of a 1960s Falcon (oops 2), which dented the back a little. It still works, the screen is crystal clear and I have to look really hard to see the two identifiable marks on the front - one an indentation on the side of the plastic, and the other is similar, but just above the click wheel - both really need looking at closely in the right kind of light to find. I've dropped it a couple of times on the desk or coffee table, I think those marks came from that.

      If it's a fragile scratch-prone thing then I must have a magical nano, cos I'm seeing none of that.

      photos at http://www.danamania.com/temp/nano2.jpg counting upwards. The first image is at one week old, others taken on the days since then - it's almost 3 weeks old now.

    3. Re:How 'bout both? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's the link to the photo of the nano where the ding is visible for those who are interested.

      For what its worth - you actually supported the GPs case - he wasn't saying iPODs are fragile (which is what you rebutted) - he was saying he wants an indestructable mp3 player.

      The current generation of iPODs (as your post so elequontlty pointed out) are not designed to be indestructable - like mobile phones, there just isn't the market for it.

    4. Re:How 'bout both? by Basehart · · Score: 0, Troll

      Whoever marked this post as Troll is just jealous.

      I must have an indestructable one too - no scratches that are visible without close inspection - so yah boo sucks to you MWASN (Moderator with a scratchy Nano.).

    5. Re:How 'bout both? by neomajic · · Score: 0

      Did you actually read the the arstechnica review? They did do a "sitting on iPod Nano, whilst in back pants pocket test". It passed with flying colors.

    6. Re:How 'bout both? by geeber · · Score: 1

      I'm finding mine pretty tough. ... The first image is at one week old, others taken on the days since then - it's almost 3 weeks old now.

      While that is good information, I wouldn't make a claim about toughness after only three weeks. It is great that the the nano has survived the abuse you describe so far, when I pay upwards of $200 for something it had better last a few years. Three weeks just isn't enough data points.

    7. Re:How 'bout both? by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      I was passing the nearest store that did apple stuff (we have no apple stores, but a few of the more upmarket stores have apples) and had a squint at their Nano's.

      They're damned small... ..and every single one was scratched to hell. How does it managed to get scratched in a display cabinet, FFS!!

    8. Re:How 'bout both? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just have to look at this photo to see where all the problems are. I wouldn't be happy with a product that showed that much scratching after a year, let alone a few weeks. If mine looked like that before the warranty was up I'd return it ASAP.

      I guess by your comments it shows you're happy with being given a product that scratches up far too easily, but most people would expect more of a company like apple.

    9. Re:How 'bout both? by generic-man · · Score: 1

      No, they put the iPod nano under a chair and sat on the chair once. Woo hoo. The nano gets scratched up when you do the following test that Ars Technica didn't ever think to try:

      10 REM BASED ON APPROXIMATE ONE-MONTH LIGHT USAGE
      20 FOR I FROM 1 TO 100
      30 TAKE IPOD NANO OUT OF TROUSERS POCKET
      40 PUT IPOD NANO INTO TROUSERS POCKET
      50 NEXT I

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    10. Re:How 'bout both? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You've owned the thing for less than 3 weeks and you've already managed to sleep on it, lose it between sofa cushions, drop it in hot tea, and slam it in a car door? You sir, are an idiot.

    11. Re:How 'bout both? by netsyd · · Score: 1

      How bout -- That first image you posted makes a great wallpaper!!

      Thanks!

    12. Re:How 'bout both? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, that's scratching? OMG I totally need to return all my plastic shit.

      Christ, you children with your scratching whines. Show me something that looks like you went at it with a brillo pad from normal everyday wear and tear and you have a point. The occasional spec like that is _nothing_. I think my zippo picked up that many scratches in a couple of weeks, and there's precious little plastic on one of those.

  21. Re:One product shop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you just mention Intel and 'roadmap' in the same sentence???

    Intel is the joke of the x86 world. Apple isn't using them because they want to. They were forced to by IBM dumping them. AMD wasn't an option. They don't have the capacity. Intel is being used by default.

    Wake the fuck up clown.

  22. Re:One product shop by solive1 · · Score: 1, Funny

    Wait until Apple designs its own iPod phone, instead of that Motorola ROKR crap. I'm sure that they've got plans for it down the line.

    Personally, I'd rather have phone that actually makes good phone calls and an mp3 player that plays mp3s instead of depending on one device to do both, but that's just me.

  23. Uh, yeah, great reporting... by FluffyWithTeeth · · Score: 1
    We've kinda known about this for ages. Hell, they're being released today, I think.

    Anyone know what time the Special Event is? GMT, if you can.

  24. Why do you need a palm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Since then, my girlfriend has stolen my iPod, and I can't find my Palm, but I digress"

    Why do you need your palm if you have a girlfriend????

  25. Re:Apple's Special Event - Live Coverage by GypsyWizard · · Score: 2, Informative
  26. Halo effect by Infonaut · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Actually, the "halo effect" seems to be real. The quarterly earnings statement shows that Mac sales were up 48% over the same quarter last year.

    As for whether the move to Intel was a bad idea or not, Apple users have been happy with PowerPC chips for a long time, but dissatisfied with IBM/Moto's ability to get them delivered in a timely fashion. We'll see if Intel can deliver on its promises.

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    1. Re:Halo effect by fbg111 · · Score: 1

      We'll see if Intel can deliver on its promises.

      Well that depends on whether Intel makes any unique promises to Apple or not. Monetarily, Intel gets relatively little from Apple, but since Apple is so much sexier than Dell and HP, Intel being chosen by Apple gets them face and good PR, which they sorely need right now, what with AMD ahead of them technologically.

      If Intel makes any unique promises to Apple, I doubt it will be for any unique technology, like x GHz or y cores by z date. Intel publishes road maps for that, and I doubt they'd deviate from those just for Apple's sake. Rather, Intel may promise n quantity on m date for o dollars, if anything.

      Anyway, hardcore Apple fans and cultists may be bothered by the move to Intel, but the rest of Apple's customer base won't care, I think. The finished product is what matters to most of Apple's buyers, not so much the constituent parts, unless those parts delay or otherwise negatively affect the finished product, or perception of it as IBM's slow GHz ramp up did.

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  27. Re:One product shop by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
    Personally, I'd rather have phone that actually makes good phone calls and an mp3 player that plays mp3s instead of depending on one device to do both, but that's just me.

    Why? There is no reason why a combined device cannot be just as good as the separate ones. Plus, combining saves carrying around data-leads, power cables, two headsets and all of the other stuff. Also, by doubling as my phone, it's insured. If it breaks, gets stolen or whatever, I can have a courier drop off a replacement within 24 hours, then after a 5 min backup-restore, my device is exactly as it used to be.

    Besides, the media players automatically pauses the song when you get a call, then starts it again when you hang up. All using the same headset. You just don't get little usability tweaks like that on separate devices.

  28. Is it just me... by ninja_assault_kitten · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    or is anyone else completely sick of hearing about iPods? Who freaking cares. Like Linux, iPods were cool until everyone knew about them.

    1. Re:Is it just me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sick to my teeth. There are better and cheaper music players available. The adulation ipods receive astounds me...

    2. Re:Is it just me... by DjMd · · Score: 1

      Ok ok, here are your T-shirts. now you don't have to type this out...

      i-pod=tired

      What you don't want your T-Shirt?

      I'm not going debate you

      Oh wait this is the internet... oh well

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    3. Re:Is it just me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iPods are just trendy. They are the Navigators, Escalades, and the Expeditions/Excursions of the mp3 player world.
      Hell, I am good w/ my treo 650. I can IM, email, keep track of time I spend on projects, listen to mp3's with headphones or *gasp* teh internal speaker, play legend of zelda and such, surf teh intarweb, ssh into my servers when needed... oh, and make phone calls. I don't need more than an hour or so's worth of music at a time. Oh, and I can replace my own battery very easily. And with the SD slot, if 1 gb of mp3s isn't enough you can just get more cards. I guess the only time I could see value in an ipod is if I were in a corporate environment where I couldn't listen to shoutcast streams on my PC.

    4. Re:Is it just me... by Thud457 · · Score: 1
      " iPods are just trendy. They are the Navigators, Escalades, and the Expeditions/Excursions of the mp3 player world. "

      Then what's this?
      (My guess would be a MGB with a 454 Chevy.)

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  29. transcoding DVDs or VIDEO_TS folders, you say? by leaping_laughter · · Score: 1
  30. Re:The Dream iPod - music, movies, games, HDD & by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 1
    Once all of these features are incorporated into one device with larger than 100GB of storage, I will buy one. For now, I will suffer as being not part of the iPod masses.

    So you are 'suffering' along with the laptop masses?

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  31. Time for the event... by corneliusagain · · Score: 1
    Looks like the event itself (after registration) is at 10am California time (event's in San Jose), so that's 6pm british summer time or 5pm (1700) GMT.

    It seems like there's not much point speculating in the time left!

    1. Re:Time for the event... by FluffyWithTeeth · · Score: 1

      It was Summer Time, so it's actually just starting, at 6:00 PM, GMT, but thanks nonetheless :)

  32. Re:Dream iPod - music, movies, games, HDD & em by Miffe · · Score: 1

    Whats stopping you from storing your mboxes or Maildirs on it now?
    I'm curious since i plan getting a regular thumbdrive to store them on.

  33. Re:One product shop by solive1 · · Score: 1

    Maybe once cell phones become worthwhile as phones first, then I'll consider converging the two. Until then, I'll keep my iPod separate.

  34. Re:The Dream iPod - music, movies, games, HDD & by digitaldc · · Score: 1

    I am suffering with a Rio mp3 player that has an FM tuner and can be used as a storage device. The iPod is much cleaner looking, but I paid a lot less for the one I have and am satisfied with it for now.

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  35. Gaps between tracks? by emm-tee · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Do the current models still insert a couple of seconds of silence between every track?

    I'd love one, but if they still have this problem, then no way. Nobody would buy a CD player that had the same issue.

    1. Re:Gaps between tracks? by iainl · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not a couple of seconds, but a small fraction of a second (yet still noticeable that its there)? Yes, they do.

      However, iTunes includes the ability to turn your multiple tracks into one big file in order to cut the gap out, if it really bothers you. It seems to be some sort of problem with the way mp3 files decode, as Winamp does it too if you don't use an additional plugin that crossfades on the fly.

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    2. Re:Gaps between tracks? by the_wesman · · Score: 1

      I've heard people complaining about this for years and I think the issue does not exist - I remember people whining about this when CD burners were becoming more and more common on computers (about 8 years ago) the "2 second gap" from the CD burning software is typically configurable on every application I've tried in years -- as for "the ipod" inserting a "couple of seconds" of silence between every track - ??? what ipod do you have? mine sure doesn't do that (and I've had three of them) - when there are tracks that blend into each other (like the tail end of Abbey Road or on a live record) you get a slight gap between the two tracks which is only noticeable because otherwise the two tracks would be seamless - on albums that have silence between songs anyway, it's not noticeable -- someone nerdier than me can probably verify/correct this, but I remember hearing once that this was just the way that mp3s are encoded - the mp3 has to be an integer number of seconds long, meaning that if the song is 2.5 seconds long, the encoder rounds it up to 3 seconds with a .5 second "gap" - if this is true, then your "couple of seconds" (if in fact you are talking about the mp3 encoding and not an ipod playback issue) is more like an "always less than 1 second" gap ... I'm not sure if this is true with AAC or other formats as, for some reason, all my tunes are in mp3 format .... I think that's because I'm an ex-winamp guy who is afraid of letting go of the past ....
      but then again, my whole post may be way off as you might be talking about some completely other issue that I don't know about, but again, my mp3s have that little pause in them and it's not due to the ipod (they do the same thing in winamp, wmp, itunes, ipod, etc...)

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    3. Re:Gaps between tracks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or you could just turn off the gap between songs in the prefs.

    4. Re:Gaps between tracks? by tuffy · · Score: 1
      You're close. Last I checked, each mp3 frame is about a half second long regardless of how much audio is in it. If the song ends partway through the frame, you'll get silence in the rest. Thus, you get an audible gap of silence when playing back mp3s - unless the mp3 decoder is written to detect that silence at the end and chop it off for gapless playback.

      It's a weakness in the mp3 format that modern lossy formats do not share. If people don't like it, they should switch to a format that sucks less.

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    5. Re:Gaps between tracks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if (iTunes != iPod ) { you = fail(it); }

  36. AAA batteries and Longer life by failedlogic · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    If Apple wants me to buy an Ipod, two things will convince me: longer battery life and use of AAA batteries.

    10, 12 or 20 hours between charges is not acceptable for an MP3 player (w.o harddrive). Getting rid of the colour screen might help on the Nano. I've had 2 flash based MP3 players, all last 30 to 40 hours on one AAA or AA battery. The mini-Disc player (for which the software blows, thanks Sony!) laster upwards of 50 hours on a AA battery.

    1. Re:AAA batteries and Longer life by FuckTheModerators · · Score: 1

      I heartily second the minidisc option. Yes, the software blows.

      But the battery life is incredible. I use mine biking and snowboarding, and change the battery maybe twice a year. Plus, it's survived horrible yard-sale-style boarding crashes as well as being dropped onto concrete several times.

      Now if someone would just hack together a nicer interface for putting songs on MD devices...

    2. Re:AAA batteries and Longer life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      10, 12 or 20 hours between charges is not acceptable for an MP3 player (w.o harddrive).
      Why not? Seriously, that's plenty of battery life to use the device all day. Just plug it in when you're home at night and it's ready for the next day. Unless you regularly take week-long camping trips and want music with you the whole time, why does it need to last longer?
    3. Re:AAA batteries and Longer life by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 1

      the shuffle and nano are both thinner than AAA batteries so how would that work?

      if you really cared about being able to buy lots of batteries then you'd have already bought the shuffle and the battery pack connector.

    4. Re:AAA batteries and Longer life by failedlogic · · Score: 1

      Allow me to clarify my point:

      1. The AAA and AA batteries will certainly enlarge the form factor. The slim form factor is quite nice. I'm willing to compromise on the size.

      2. Battery life. I'm not expecting 50 or 2000 hours from the built-in batteries. That is unrealistic. However, my point about the built-in batteries (which I left out...oops!) is this: they tend to last one to two years (depending on usage patterns and if it was properly recharged).

      The replacement batteries are costly almost 1/3 the cost of a new unit. I use rechargable Energizer batteries. The batteries also last about the same time but have 1000s of recharges. Replacement batteries are less than $10. The recharger is expensive but I can use it and the batteries on other devies. As well, pulling apart most of the iPods is a delicate operating. While I haven't pulled one apart, from shots I've seen on the Net and so fort, if you make a mistake you risk cracking the case or making it impossible to put back together again.

  37. Apple by ogiller · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You all know what Apple is missing in its line up. A Apple DVR. There is Tivo, MythTV, and Microsoft Multimedia Center. Apple needs to enter the arena.

    They have the QuickTime technology.
    They have the UI skills to make a better DVR.
    They have the Hardware experience.
    Wait and see.

    Think about it. Why would you buy a iPod Video? Because, you have episodes of Star Track Enterprise, and Lost on your Apple DVR. You want to take them on the road. You need a Apple iPod Video that allows you to quickly download those programs over firewire right to a little hand held video player.

    By Apple introducing a DVR they create instant content for the iPod Video. They are struggling to get the Movie Studios on board. So they need another way to create content for the iPod Video.

    With out the Apple DVR where is the added value of a iPod Video?

    1. Re:Apple by iainl · · Score: 1

      I think you might well be on to something.

      Not a dedicated DVR, as that would be a somewhat odd thing for Apple to make. But an official box that is like an expanded Mac Mini, containing all the video/audio ins and outs to turn it into a media jukebox complete with a built-in Dock, still running OSX? That's something I'd pay some serious money to have sat under my TV.

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    2. Re:Apple by astro-g · · Score: 1

      you could use the ipod scroll wheel in the place of a jog controll on the remote too,
      That sould be a seriously slick interface.

      (full permission given for people to actually use this idea, assuming its mine to give)

    3. Re:Apple by moeman · · Score: 1

      You mean like the Open Source friendly Neuros 442 Digital Media Player/Recorder?

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      Ambition is a poor excuse for not having enough sense to be lazy.
    4. Re:Apple by sjwaste · · Score: 1

      My ipod mini is easily the best piece of consumer electronics I've ever bought. It's durable (dropped repeatedly without a case onto the sidewalk, I'm clumsy in the morning), the UI is great, it lacks unnecessary features, good input device, etc. If they were to make a DVR-type device, I'd buy it, as long as it did not restrict content at all and had hardware HD encoding support (I'm not keen on the software-based HD solutions on Windows/Linux right now). If they shipped it with a version of OSX tweaked for multimedia services (ie, OSX dedicated for media server apps), that would be a plus. I wouldn't just want a mini w/ just the addition of video in. That's not enough added value to get me to pay the price premium over running a PC DVR like I do now. A mini that worked as a full media center out of the box would, though, and it'd probably get me to buy a video-capable ipod too.

      Funny I never got into the mac as a computing platform, as I do honestly prefer Windows XP, especially since I like to play Call of Duty after a long day of work/law school, but as a producer of mass market consumer electronics, Apple has really done a nice job. They've managed to realize not everybody is going to adopt their computing platform, and responded by making devices that everyone WILL want, and have them work with all platforms. Proof that to stay in business, you can't be an elitist and tote the superiority of your products that DON'T sell that well.

    5. Re:Apple by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Yeah, like that...only not fugly.

      But if that's your cup of tea, looks like Woot's selling them for $50 today.

      http://www.woot.com/

      No affiliation blah blah.

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      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
    6. Re:Apple by Damek · · Score: 1

      No, please God no, not like that at all.

    7. Re:Apple by JonToycrafter · · Score: 1

      Ummm...whoa. Even if this isn't today's announcement, I think you're onto a genuinely brilliant idea.

      I might not have thought so a few years ago, but watching the numbers of people on the NYC subways watching movies, or even just playing games on their PSP makes me think that a video iPod that syncs to a PC/Mac and/or to a DVR is ingenious.

    8. Re:Apple by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      You're close. Apple already makes DVR-capable machines. They're called Macs. You'll be able to record TV on your Mac, and download shows/movies from iTunes (soon to be renamed?). Over your wired network, or an AirTunes like device, you'll be able to stream video to your TV set. Your video ipod will have a huge hard drive and be able to not only play the videos from your Mac on its display, but more importantly, make it dead simple to do video out to a display when you're away from home.

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  38. Ding ding ding by tgd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Having had my first 40 gig iPod die under warranty, only to have its replacement have a bad dock connector they wouldn't warranty... and having had my 18 month old G4 iBook die a couple days ago with a faulty logic board... Apple needs to seriously get their act in gear where product reliability is concerned. I've had a 25% success rate of their products lasting longer than 18 months.

    I'm fed up enough with the quality problems that I'm actually debating buying a PC laptop to replace the iBook. And that really makes me ill to think about. I hope I can figure out how to get OSX/86 on it ;-)

    1. Re:Ding ding ding by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      You need to go stare at this... http://www.petitiononline.com/ibookg4

    2. Re:Ding ding ding by tgd · · Score: 1

      Yeah, lots will come of that, I'm sure.

      I don't need to waste my time on meaningless petitions, or rediculous lawsuits. I, however, can take my money elsewhere.

    3. Re:Ding ding ding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have the highest reliability rate for Desktops and come in second for Notebooks according to the last PC Magazine reader survey. They're the most reliable according to a similar reader survey from Which? (UK Consumer mag). Granted, there is room for improvement, but I would dare say you're the exception rather than the rule. I had plenty of issues with my TiBook 667, but my iBook and iMac G5 have had none, ditto for my 3G 30GB and my Shuffle.

    4. Re:Ding ding ding by Fulkkari · · Score: 1

      The iPod - I suppose you made sure it just didn't crash? Pushing on menu and play at the same time will make it reboot its software.

      The iBook - Did you try to reset the power management unit (PMU)? It might have helped.

      Anyways, sounds like you are against the odds... or then I'm just lucky (hardly possible). I have never had any major problems with Macs; one Apple Pro Mouse (the cord had a problem) and two iPod carrying cases broken. That's all I can think of right now. And oh, yeah. I once needed to reset the PMU of a PowerBook G3 once it had been unused for quite some time.

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    5. Re:Ding ding ding by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      Hey, I know nothing will come of it... other than *possibly* publicity... and apple have a good reputation for fixing a problem once the entire world is staring at them.

    6. Re:Ding ding ding by tgd · · Score: 1

      iPod -- drive died. That was common with the early 40 gig ones, for whatever reason.

      iBook -- can't do much when the motherboard is dead. Resetting the PMU doesn't do anything. I should add that I also had the onboard RAM fail on it, and the service guys solution was to replace the 256m SODIMM with a 512 and pretend they fixed it. They wouldn't replace the logic board, when I knew it was bad under warranty.

      And that doesn't change that the dock connector on the iPod they sent me as a warranty repair was bad, and then they wouldn't cover that.

    7. Re:Ding ding ding by MoonBuggy · · Score: 1

      Unfortunate, but that's the exact opposite to my experience. I've had 2 G5 towers that both work 100% perfectly and I'm typing on the current one now. The 23" cinema display it's hooked into doesn't have a single dead pixel (and out of almost 2.5million pixels that ain't bad). My iPod mini survived as much throwing around in my pocket as I could do, and I intend to eBay it and get a Nano this week. The only problem I've ever had was with the power supply in a G4 iMac, a problem which Apple quickly dealt with by sending me a new one to install myself the next day.

    8. Re:Ding ding ding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you ran in to an incompetant "Apple Genius" and took his word for it. Call that number they gave you with the repair slip and tell them what the store you were working with told you. Hell will be raised.

    9. Re:Ding ding ding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here. Rev 1 iMac G5 17" died after 8 months due to the "bulging capacitor" problem. It's currently in for repair (under warranty), but this is a very common problem with the Rev 1 iMac G5 in both screen configurations. Hopefully, things are better with the rev 2 models, and now they have a new Rev. 3, which will perhaps be even better. Or maybe not -- only time will tell.

      By way of contrast, I have a Compaq nx9005 (Athlon-based) laptop which has been bashed around the world for 2 years or so, and works like a champ. A far older desktop machine with a 400MHz Celeron in it is also still going strong, although its power supply fan is I think on its last legs. That is however a cheap and easy problem to fix (assuming of course that it's even worth doing with such an aged and feeble box).

      Both of these computers cost significantly less than the iMac, and have also turned out to be much more reliable. So yes, Apple do indeed need to get their act together!

    10. Re:Ding ding ding by TClevenger · · Score: 1

      Our company has had about 20% of its iBook G4's die of video/logic board problems. They didn't get the Applecare warranty on them, so they were all out of the 1 year warranty. The users don't really abuse them, they just use them a lot. We're now replacing them with Powerbooks because we've had a 100% success rate with them so far. (We're still getting the 3 year Applecare though.)

  39. i for one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ipod video, mini ipod, isausage, idiot etc..yadeeyadeeyaa

    I for one welcome our new ipod overlords

  40. It's "good better best" across the product lines by ianscot · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Apple does this across all their major product lines. Want a G5 iMac? They have the base model, a higher-performance one with the same monitor size in the middle, and then the 20-inch model on top.

    This model is one of those Steve Jobs things. Most any other company would have kept the Mini in its lineup when the nano came out, but Jobs believes religiously in giving the consumer a pretty clear set of choices that way.

    (Sometimes you can see new product lines coming just by looking for the holes in existing ones. We have the middle and high-end iPods, but they're priced high; cue the Shuffle.)

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  41. *Apple is dying! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks, Chicken Little.

  42. This story is just wrong. by Steve+Cowan · · Score: 1, Informative
    From TFA:
    Executive Vice President Tim Cook didn't say whether the new iPods will come at a press event Apple has scheduled for Wednesday morning. But during a conference call with analysts, he suggested that the iPod Nano won't be the last new iPod of the year.

    "Over a year ago, we set out to create revolutionary updates to our core iPod lineup," Cook said. "Last quarter was the final quarter for the older products. We think we did rather well with the prior lineup and believe that we will do even better with the new lineup that we have for the holiday season, including the new iPod Nano and some very innovative new products that we have yet to introduce."

    Um..... according to this story as it reads on Slashdot, " 'Apple Computer plans to introduce more iPods before the end of the year', a company executive said Tuesday," I challenge the poster to find where Cook said there will be more iPods before the end of the year.

    OK, according to the rumour mill there will likely be a new iPod today, but let's get it straight here: Cook said Apple has some innovative new products up its sleeve, but did not mention whether those products are iPods.

    If this story wasn't so misleading I wouldn't have even bothered to read the linked article. Please, Slashdot, be more careful ... this is misinformation that wastes my valuable nerd time.

    1. Re:This story is just wrong. by iainl · · Score: 1

      If you head to The Register and reads last night's story on Apple's financials at

      http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2005/10/11/apple_ q4_2005/

      you'll see that Apple themselves countered complaints that their iPod sales were underwhelming:

      Apple responded that Mini shipments were wound down prior to the Nano launch, that overall iPod sales came in as expected, that it couldn't meet Nano demand, and that the company would be launching new products in the music segment in time for the holiday season.

      That last bit definitely points toward something 'music' being announced today. The invitation card to today's announcement had a cinema curtain as the backdrop to the words 'One More Thing...'

      So, while they don't come out and say 'Video iPod' in advance of today's press conference, they drop some pretty obvious hints.

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    2. Re:This story is just wrong. by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 1

      He was discussing the "core iPod lineup", and comparing it to a "new lineup" "including the iPod Nano", that will be ready by "the holiday season".

      The lineup sounds like he's talking about the iPod lineup, but it isn't definite. I think the way he says it implies that there is at least one new iPod, and at least one very new product (a video iPod would fill both categories, but I don't think that's it).

      Also, the schedule "by the holiday season" works out to an announcement in the next 2-3 weeks, and a release in mid- to late- November.

    3. Re:This story is just wrong. by teslar · · Score: 1
      I challenge the poster to find where Cook said there will be more iPods before the end of the year.
      I'm not the poster, but still.... how about this?
      "Over a year ago, we set out to create revolutionary updates to our core iPod lineup," Cook said. "Last quarter was the final quarter for the older products. We think we did rather well with the prior lineup and believe that we will do even better with the new lineup that we have for the holiday season, including the new iPod Nano and some very innovative new products that we have yet to introduce."
    4. Re:This story is just wrong. by Steve+Cowan · · Score: 1

      products != ipods

  43. Re:The Dream iPod - music, movies, games, HDD & by ceeam · · Score: 1

    And _when_ they come out with that, what "excuse" will you have next? (Just curious)

  44. Re:The Dream iPod - music, movies, games, HDD & by pen · · Score: 1

    The iPod can also be used as a storage device. It mounts as a regular external hard drive.

  45. One Definite Answer by hahiss · · Score: 1

    `` Will the influx of new Ipods bring the price of the current models to levels where I may decide to buy one? "

    No.

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  46. Linux!? by photon317 · · Score: 3, Insightful


    How about announcing an iTunes client for Linux? Or at the very least, allowing third parties to release iTunes Linux clients and not constantly thwarting their attempts to bring new customers to the platform? I don't run anything but Linux, at work and at home. I haven't bought an iPod yet because I cannot get reliable iTMS services.

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    1. Re:Linux!? by photon317 · · Score: 1

      And no, running it under Windows emulation software doesn't count.

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    2. Re:Linux!? by PureCreditor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Linux is primarily for servers, and the desktop market share is what? less than a couple percentage points?

      not trying to be a troll here, but if you put yourself in Apple's shoes, is the R&D budget giving a good ROI by creating an iTunes Linux client?

      On top of that, many Linux folks have their entire collection of OGG, which Apple won't bothering supporting either, so an iTunes for Linux that plays MP3 and AAC is simply not value-adding.

    3. Re:Linux!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SharpMusique works just fine here.

    4. Re:Linux!? by wesman83 · · Score: 1

      dude they wont even give ogg vorbis support, what makes you think their going to release itunes for linux?

    5. Re:Linux!? by Frank+Palermo · · Score: 1

      I thought this horse had already been beaten to death... but there are at least two good reasons Apple will probably never ship iTunes for Linux:

      1)Technical - iTunes depends on QuickTime (the iTunes installer for Windows even includes it...), which ran on Windows for years and years before iTunes even existed. Not that porting iTunes to Windows was necessarily easy, mind you... but at least they had the groundwork in place before they got started. There's no native QuickTime for Linux (yet?), so getting that running would be another item on the to-do list before an iTunes Linux port could be crafted. Add on all the complexity of choosing which Linux distro(s) to support and working around their differences (keeping in mind that even on Windows, iTunes only attempts to support the 2000/XP family, not 9x...) and you get a fairly tricky problem to be solved just to gain what is still a fairly small market.

      2)Political - In the old Apple slogan "Think Different," *they* are the "Different." For years, Apple has been preaching that if you want to escape from Microsoft et. al., *they* are your alternative. Don't like Windows? Buy a Mac... that simple. Except that it's not that simple anymore... Linux is getting more mature, refined, and competitive all the time and is in some ways already a bigger threat to Microsoft than Apple is now (or probably ever will be again). If Apple ships iTunes for Linux, it will seem as though they're acknowledging that Linux is ready for desktop/home use, and that there are ways to "Think Different" that don't involve Apple.

      Apple might have an iTunes for Linux someday. Far stranger things have already happened (Intel switch, anyone?), and they have the resources to overcome the hurdles in point #1 if they want to. The only question is: given point #2, do they *really* want to?

      -Frank

    6. Re:Linux!? by trentrez · · Score: 1

      sPearPC me the WINEing

      But seriously, you can't chose to use Linux as your primary OS and then complain about the lack of support Apple are giving it. That's like me inventing a new OS and then going man I can't believe Apple won't write iTunes for my platform.

      If you choose to use an operating system like Linux as your main desktop OS then you do so knowing full well that it isn't always given top priority by companies such as Apple, Microsoft, nVidia, ATI etc (to name but a few) for desktop applications.

      Please don't get me wrong, I'm not a Microsoft advocate - I run Windows as my Primary OS on my desktop (for gaming and main stream applications), I run OS X on my Powerbook for being trendy on the go (and mainly to change things up from using Windows all day every day) and I run FreeBSD and Linux boxes for things that they are good for, like running my network services and such (Apache, Bind, Sendmail, and so on).

    7. Re:Linux!? by dr.badass · · Score: 1

      How about announcing an iTunes client for Linux? Or at the very least, allowing third parties to release iTunes Linux clients and not constantly thwarting their attempts to bring new customers to the platform?

      What new customers would those be again? The few dozen people that are: 1) desktop Linux users, 2) willing to consider anything from Apple, 3) willing to buy an iPod, 4) willing to accept iTunes DRM, and so on.

      Any way you slice it, you're part of an incredibly small market.

      I don't run anything but Linux, at work and at home. I haven't bought an iPod yet because I cannot get reliable iTMS services.

      There are workable alternatives for these things -- jukeboxes, mp3 players, music stores -- that run on/operate with Linux. If they aren't adequate or desirable, well, that's not Apple's fault. I know this is heresy, but if it's so important to you to have an iPod, or to use iTunes, perhaps you ought to consider running something other than Linux (i.e., get a Mac).

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    8. Re:Linux!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and the desktop market share is what? less than a couple percentage points?

      Don't forget that OSX's desktop marketshare is just a few percentage points too.

    9. Re:Linux!? by JCY2K · · Score: 1

      That argument is compleatly falacious(sp?) in the business world. Would Apple answer the phones, even once, let a long a couple percent of the time by saying 'Apple computers, please feck off.'? No! The argument that because some small percent of the market diserves to be isolated or ignored is inherenlty false. They may not for budget reasons, but I find that doubtful. *shrugs* Just my $0.02.

  47. They should make one with slashdot access by m50d · · Score: 1, Funny

    Then I'd finally be able to get a first post.

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  48. Jobs is a Monster by Spencer+Mabrito · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This company is completely tearing up the rest of the DAP industry, but we all know this already. I think Apple is going to keep on going and end up taking over the whole electronics market. Apple products have style, power and useability. We've already seen Apple grow from just computing to DAPs to DAPs that have can display photos. Now we have one of these buggers that is only a tiny bit larger than a stick of gum. How long until they make this into a phone, like somebody else mentioned?

    They seem to love touch-control tech, and so do consumers. Why not do away with the wheel and put a touch LCD in its place? This LCD displays a wheel that functions the same as the physical wheel, but also slides away when you want to input names and numbers into your address book. You can plug your headset in and make VoIP calls in WiFi hotspots, or record audio directly onto your iPod. The touch LCD navigation makes it easy to create playlists and name them.

    Resistance is futile.

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    1. Re:Jobs is a Monster by SenorCitizen · · Score: 1
      They seem to love touch-control tech, and so do consumers. Why not do away with the wheel and put a touch LCD in its place? This LCD displays a wheel that functions the same as the physical wheel, but also slides away when you want to input names and numbers into your address book. You can plug your headset in and make VoIP calls in WiFi hotspots, or record audio directly onto your iPod. The touch LCD navigation makes it easy to create playlists and name them.

      Yeah, right. Have you seen how easy it is to get even the current models all smudged up with fingerprints? A touch LCD might look great at the store, but in practise when you've already bought it.... oh wait, that's iPod nano right there already :-)

    2. Re:Jobs is a Monster by Spencer+Mabrito · · Score: 1

      What about little plastic film cover things?

      I'm sure apple could find a way around the smudging issue...

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  49. Free song of the week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just so someone actually comes out and says what I imagine many have noticed: this week's free track of the week has yet to be released at the iTunes store. If I was releasing an ipod video, I would make sure the free track was a music video that week so there is instant content to promote.

    1. Re:Free song of the week by PezJunkie42 · · Score: 1

      And the Apple online store currently says "We are busy updating the store for you and will be back within the hour."

  50. Re:The Dream iPod - music, movies, games, HDD & by cakesy · · Score: 1

    An ID of 7191 and that is the best you can say?

    I expect more, damn you... a lot more!

  51. Re:The Dream iPod - music, movies, games, HDD & by digitaldc · · Score: 1

    And _when_ they come out with that, what "excuse" will you have next? (Just curious)

    The price is too high? I will probably own one, since it might even replace several devices at once.

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  52. iPods keep gettin worse! by SenorCitizen · · Score: 1, Troll
    They are definitely going for the worse. There's still no gapless playback for any format, let alone mp3, but the newest generation can't even play Lame encoded VBR mp3's correctly! Apparently it's due to the aggressive power saving feature that can't keep up with the wild fluctuations in bitrate, causing stutters on some material.

    I would strongly advise against buying an iPod now, but instead to wait and see if this cardinal bug will be fixed or not.

    1. Re:iPods keep gettin worse! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently it's due to the aggressive power saving feature

      So if it did play those files correctly, would you be bitching about how the battery doesn't last long enough on a charge because of poor power management? Just curious.

    2. Re:iPods keep gettin worse! by SenorCitizen · · Score: 1
      So if it did play those files correctly, would you be bitching about how the battery doesn't last long enough on a charge because of poor power management? Just curious.

      Absolutely not. I have a 1G iPod mini, and I have never had trouble getting through the day with one charge. That's enough for me. I also have a nano (that's going back *very* quickly) that stutters on tracks that play completely cleanly on the old mini. If I were to choose, sound quality would always come before battery life. And actually, throttling the CPU down so much that it can't process the sound file on time *is* poor power management.

  53. Please release a new one today, please! by ChePibe · · Score: 3, Funny

    My iPod just died for good last night (my own fault, really... shouldn't bang around a device like that as much as I did), and now my wife just feels really sorry for me. If they release a new one today, I can capitalize on her sympathy and talk her into letting me get one!

    Apple, please take note! If you don't release one today, my accountant... er... wife will never let me purchase one of your shiny white products! Her sympathy won't last forever, act today!

  54. Read it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "We...believe that we will do even better with the new lineup that we have for the holiday season, including the new iPod Nano and some very innovative new products that we have yet to introduce."

    So parsing what he said, for the holiday season (i.e. before the end of this year), thier new lineup will include the already released Nano and yet-to-be-introduced new products.

  55. $$$ wait a while. by COMON$ · · Score: 1

    Im am personally waiting for the video ipod. I guess as with most computer technologies they created a great ipod, took away all the features, large hard drive, color screen, durability, and are just adding one feature at a time to each new release in order to maximize profits. The final version will be a video ipod with full 32 bit color, Radio Tuner, TV Tuner, some sort of wireless to swap songs and interact with people nearby. And a nice 100GB drive to boot. Not to mention the new accessories that will come with a new adaptor that is not compatable with any current ipod that will allow you to dock with your car, and TV seamlesly.

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  56. Re:Dream iPod - music, movies, games, HDD & em by digitaldc · · Score: 1

    Too complicated and too many devices to keep plugging in and swapping info....I know I am lazy.

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  57. Just an observation by rworne · · Score: 1

    Any coincidence that iTunes music store (at least in the US and Japan) did not have a "New Music Tuesday" this week? No email notice and nothing but last week's offering on iTunes for now.

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    1. Re:Just an observation by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      I never get the "new music tuesday" email until wednesday afternoon, anyway. It could just be their slow email system, and not anything related to the new product.

    2. Re:Just an observation by rworne · · Score: 1

      I get mine well after I checked and downloaded the free track for each week. The track is made available early Tuesday morning (PST) and Japan's site is updated around noon (PST).

      Nothing yet as of Wednesday.

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  58. Re:One product shop by pavon · · Score: 1

    I so want an iPhone with rotary dialing.
    That would totally rock my retro-chic world.

  59. Apple/BBC by robbie_air · · Score: 0

    I know I shouldn't bother with these rumours as we will find out soon enough, however thinksecret made a really interesting observation yesterday:

    "Apple will be hosting a media event at the BBC's headquarters in London tomorrow to coincide with the media event in California, suggesting a tie-in with that broadcasting entity."

    If you put the rumours about video ipods, dvrs, airport video etc etc together with this and the BBCs reported interest in allowing UK citizens to download BBC content from the internet, then this could be very interesting.

  60. Re:One product shop by Pxtl · · Score: 1

    Bluetooth is the answer to that. Most reviews of "mp3 phones" complain about a total lack of synergy - it is _exactly_ the sum of it's parts.

  61. This statement makes no sense: by spyrral · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "If you're talking about a video iPod, what would drive the demand? Music videos? You have a whole generation of people already conditioned to getting those for free," said GartnerG2 research analyst Mike McGuire. Uh, hello? Apple makes money on the iPods! If there a big suppy of free music videos for people to watch online (and there is) so much the better! I could be a research analyst, if that's the kind of insight they bring to the table.

  62. Re:It's "good better best" across the product line by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This model is one of those Steve Jobs things. Most any other company would have kept the Mini in its lineup when the nano came out, but Jobs believes religiously in giving the consumer a pretty clear set of choices that way.

    It certainly seems to be a "Jobs thing". From what I remember, you could just watch it happen when he returned to Apple. It's not just an issue of limiting options or anything, it's offering what is basically a standardized lineup with standard naming conventions, and then a little variation in configuration. It's the whole thing. It's called "marketing", and it's one of Jobs' big talents.

    You get the iStuff, which is all white plastic consumer goods, and then the PowerStuff, which is all aluminum power-user/business goods. It gets to be pretty clear to the consumer what he's getting himself into. You know exactly which models are "better". They're mostly the same, except the more expensive one is faster, has a couple extra features, etc.

    I'm still waiting for a "PowerPod".

    And then Apple plays this whole "$50 more" game. More marketing. It's smart. People can say, "You can buy an iPod for only $99!" And that draws people in. They think, well, $100 isn't bad. But then, for $50 more, you can get twice as much memory. But for just $50 more than that, you can get a color screen AND twice as much memory. For just $50 more, you can get a whole lot more memory, 5 times as much. Next thing you know, you're thinking about spending $500 for something where you justified the purchase because it was cheap at $100.

    And that's what the "$50 more" game is all about. Make your entry level product cheap enough that people feel like it's silly to think it's "too much money", and then add genuinely useful features at regular and small price increments. Consumers will naturally rise to the highest level of money they're willing to spend.

  63. Not video iPod after all... by andymullins · · Score: 1

    Look like after all the to-ing and fro-ing, it's definitely not going to be a video iPod.

    1. Re:Not video iPod after all... by abenassi · · Score: 1

      How ironic, the parent's linked story has been updated to say that it WILL be a video iPod.

  64. Re:The Dream iPod - music, movies, games, HDD & by pyota · · Score: 1

    you're not an apple fetishist? that's the slashdot equivalent of signing your own death warrent.

  65. I hope the next generation of iPod... by cciRRus · · Score: 1, Insightful

    could be more scratch-resistant than the current ones.

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  66. The answer is obvious - video iPod and TV by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The article seems to express wonder at where sales will come from, not being able to sell music videos (though that is not quite true as they have been selling some video in bundles with music).

    But really the answer for what video Apple plans to sell is simple - TV.

    Portable video devices make some sense for movies, but there are not a lot of people that want to watch a whole movie on a small screen unless they are captive (like airplane travellers). But TV shows make a lot more sense to download as they are shorter, require far less brainpower to follow (if any) and can be enjoyed in very small chunks thanks to the pervasive 15-minute commercial editing.

    Not to mention that letting Apple sell TV shows would really scoop Microsoft and Sony in the Home PVR space. Who wants a PVR when you can just buy, download and keep forwever whatever video you like from any TV show?

    Perhaps they'll start with just old syndicated shows, but that would be enough. Heck, there are a lot of cartoons from my younger years that have not even made it to DVD that I'd be dying to pay for.

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  67. Free advertising for Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much is Steve Jobs paying you folks?

    Or maybe the Slashdot editors just figured they were doing a public service, because there are only 11,200+ mentions of the iPod in the press currently: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=ipod

    To hear the tech press tell it, there is only one mp3 player, made by only one manufacturer, and nothing else is ever worth discussing.

    1. Re:Free advertising for Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's true. The others suck and don't matter. I know, having switched to the iPod myself.

      But that's okay. I'm sure you have some kind of rationalization as to why tech specs are soooo much more important than ease of use or cool factor. You'll get over it.

  68. No mention of the rumors? by GFLPraxis · · Score: 1

    Apple's "One More Thing" conference is at October 12th at 10 AM PST. Two hours from now. According to ThinkSecret and AppleInsider we should see new iPods.

    1. Re:No mention of the rumors? by jatemack · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here's the info so far: - iMac: faster, larger disk, built in iSight. Includes FrontRow (app)
      - iPod: 30GB/60GB with Video - realtime decoding of MPEG4 and H.264. 260,000 colors. Video out.
      - FrontRow and PhotoBooth Apps.
      - 30GB iPod: $299 - 31% thinner than current 20GB; - 60GB iPod: $399.
      - New iPods avail next week. Comes with case
      - iMac: $1299 for 17" model with 1.5GHz, $1799 for 20" model with 2.1GHz
      - iTunes 6 to be released
      - Front Row - comes with new iMacs. Lets you enjoy video/music/pictures from sofa. Everything
      still displayed on iMac screen. iPod-like remote. 6 button remote.
      - Photobooth - appears to be slide show application.
      - Music Videos. 2000 available to buy. $1.99 each.
      - Can "gift" music to other people. Peer reviews and recommendation service.
      They keep updating and aren't /. yet at macrumors.com

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    2. Re:No mention of the rumors? by jatemack · · Score: 1

      Apple update it's home page but it's been Slashdotted (or is really slow), so here's the Coral Cache

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  69. The Dream iPod - gapless playback by will-el · · Score: 1

    I love my ipod as much as anyone, but 'cmon - it's about
    time they add the ability to crossfade from one track to the next.

  70. might be a hint... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Re:might be a hint... by coleridge78 · · Score: 1

      Registrant: Brad Olson 615 E Marshall Ave Oak Creek, Wisconsin 53154 United States Registered through: GoDaddy.com Domain Name: APPLEIPODVIDEO.COM Created on: 04-Oct-05 Expires on: 04-Oct-06 Last Updated on: 04-Oct-05 website title in the Whois is "It's coming... 10.12.05"

    2. Re:might be a hint... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FLAC rules all my music is in FLAC and i have built my own FLAC portable audio device called the FLACpod(TM). Yes the files are large but when the quality is this good i dont mind. The FLACpod(TM) has a 80Gb hard drive and yes it does weigh a bit, but FLAC rules!!

      Anyway must FLAC off

      Googatron

      ps my email is toreuben@hotmail.com if anyone wants a FLACpod get in touch.

  71. Obligatory Osborne Reference by cve · · Score: 1

    Why should I buy an iPod Nano when I can just wait and buy an iPod Vixen?

  72. I'll buy an iPod when... by blugu64 · · Score: 1

    my 64mb Rio500 dies! Heck I got that thing back in '98 and it's still working. It's survived car accidents (without skipping....ya I know it's a flash player), treadmills, windows(physical and software), and everything. Granted it has broken a few times, but nothing a little TLC (crack open the case the reflow some connections) didn't fix...either way I'm hoping for an ipod soon...but not holding my breath.

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  73. Re:The Dream iPod - music, movies, games, HDD & by pev · · Score: 1

    Sure, but by the time you get a 100G iPod, you'll have decided that 120G is the minimum useful amount that you'll settle for, and the game will continue. Either it's useful and you get one, or it's not and you don't.

    ~Pev

  74. I have a request by Shawn+is+an+Asshole · · Score: 0

    Apple, could you please make a IPod that's affordable? $299+ is not cool...

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  75. "One more thing" by frostilicus2 · · Score: 1

    I think I've found some neat hidden messages in Apple's announcement, if you rearrange the letters you get the following cryptic clues:

    Then geronimo
    Meeting honor
    hint
    thin
    heroine
    remote
    nitrogen home
    ignore hot men
    riot
    in no other gem

    So I'm expecting a diamond studded, highly addictive PVR, with air-con all in a package no bigger than 7 inches cubed.
    Maybe its the new iMac.

    (Thanks to http://blogs.pcworld.com/techlog/archives/000966.h tml and http://www.anagramgenius.com/server.html)

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  76. Re:The Dream iPod - music, movies, games, HDD & by klang · · Score: 2, Funny

    I am going to build my own iPod, with hookers and black jack .. in fact forget about the black jack

  77. News by interiot · · Score: 1
    Since nobody has posted about it yet, Think Secret seems to be fairly confident about the specs of today's announcement:
    2.46 inch color screen
    Resolution: 320x240
    40GB for $299
    80GB for $399

    Although it will be able to play videos, the "real" video iPod isn't coming until next year, when they also roll out a video store at the same time.

  78. As for me... by Matarick · · Score: 1

    I welcome our DAP job stealing Jobs overload.

  79. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple plans to release a new computer in the future!

  80. A picture by robbie_air · · Score: 1, Informative

    This picture of the new ipod has just been posted up on macrumors:

    http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/5G_ipod.jpg

    Looks legit to me, has a larger screen but not as large as everyone seems to be expecting.

    A friend of mine who reads chinese says that one of the options means "repeat broadcast" maybe a chinese slasdot member could conrim it.

  81. Proven Apple Business Model by hey! · · Score: 1

    From back in the halcyon days of the Mac: rope the customer into brand loyalty, and then milk him for cash through a series of upgrade cycles, experienced on the customer end as an endless loop of lust, love, and then a new object of lust.

    It's like committing serial monogamy with a family that has an endless supply of nubile sisters timed to reach legal age about one per year.

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  82. Re:Apple's Special Event - Live Coverage by hondo77 · · Score: 1

    They just posted that live updates aren't allowed for this event so they won't be able to cover it until afterwards. Interesting.

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  83. Possible pictures of the new iPod by 8127972 · · Score: 1

    Check at the link below (if it isn't already Slasdotted):

    http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/5G_ipod.jpg

    Note the screen size. Maybe some sort of video is possible?

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  84. TV Tuner? by Internet+Ronin · · Score: 1

    WTF are you talking about? A freaking TV tuner? Cuz you like 8 channels in analog? A freaking TV tuner.... Jesus christ. Does anyone even think about properly engineering a mass market consumer electronic device? Yeah, a freaking TV tuner, and a cuisinart. How about a machine that doles out free knob shines. I used to hawk cell phones, and I tell ya, the modern consumer technorati drives me bananas. These people don't even know what they're asking for, but they want it. It used to be that when you wanted people to think you had a big penis, you just bought a fast car. Now you buy something that's way outside your expertise level, way outside your usage level, and dump all your service and support on the poor hapless Indians. Damn you corporate america, damn you and your digital penis envy executives. I don't even know why they bother. Everyone knows I've got the biggest.

    1. Re:TV Tuner? by COMON$ · · Score: 1
      LOL, that was a good laugh.

      For what its worth I am a minimalist. Just looking at the future....people dont know what they need but they will buy it anyway, call it little mans syndrome or whatever.

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  85. it's real on iPod mini by geekee · · Score: 1

    and annoying as hell. Apples only workaround is to rip the album as one track.

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  86. Re:The Dream iPod - music, movies, games, HDD & by digitaldc · · Score: 1

    Not really, I suffer with a flash card Rio player now and I know its limitations (holds under 1GB.) Something with 100GB storage (or the ability to expand to that) would be great, if the price is reasonable.

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  87. It's Xmas Season - Set Hype-Drive to Ludicrous ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Capitalist Christmas Effect: Entering HYPErSpace!

    The Malls and Apple Stores and Web outlets will be plugging all of the 'Hot New Apple Products' - and Apple still will be making 100% markup or better on the equipment. Santa is coming to Steve Jobs Town!

    I'm holding out for a BOGO G5 PowerMac Deal (BuyOneGetOne Free)...

  88. if they increase the storage to at least 60gig by araczynski · · Score: 0

    then i might cosider buying one, until then, why would people want to waste the time with having multiple mp3 players around? unless you're such a 'fan' of mp3's that you don't need more then 4gig for your 'collection'? i even starting caring about the 'regular' ipod when they hig 60gig, was hoping for a 100gig before i bit. oh well.

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  89. my opinion on the gap by geekee · · Score: 1

    I think the gap is because the iPod is busy storing statistics on the songs you're listening to. If I was a conspiacy nut, I'd think Apple was uploading this info when you sync your iPod to figure out how to sell you more songs on iTMS

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  90. Event News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Appleinsider's posted "Apple has announced the iPod with video capabilities. 320 x240 resolution 2.5-inch screen. MPEG4"

    Their news is still updating as the event progresses. Hopeful a little more information will surface.

  91. This the new one? by goldcd · · Score: 1

    Somebody passed this onto me
    Now I'm a suspicious chap, so thought maybe it would be a photoshop special..but I noticed those codes stuck on it.
    Wonder if those are the sorts of thing you can register on Apple's site?
    Seemingly it is and it's a marketing part number

  92. from www.macrumors.com by brokenhorse · · Score: 1

    from www.macrumors.com

    Apple's managed to block most of the Mac web from updating live. We tip a hat to Apple for finding a location without cellphone or wireless access. Here's information gathered thus far.

    New iMac, new Video iPod, new Apps.

    - iMac: faster, larger disk, built in iSight. Includes FrontRow (app)
    - iPod: 30GB/60GB with Video - realtime decoding of MPEG4 and H.264. 260,000 colors. Video out.
    - FrontRow and PhotoBooth Apps.
    - 30GB iPod: $299 - 31% thinner than current 20GB; - 60GB iPod: $399.
    - New iPods avail next week. Comes with case
    - iMac: $1299 for 17" model with 1.5GHz, $1799 for 20" model with 2.1GHz
    - iTunes 6 to be released
    - Front Row - comes with new iMacs. Lets you enjoy video/music/pictures from sofa. Everything still displayed on iMac screen. iPod-like remote. 6 button remote.
    - Photobooth - appears to be slide show application.
    - Music Videos. 2000 available to buy. $1.99 each.
    - Can "gift" music to other people. Peer reviews and recommendation service.
    - Videos have Digital Rights Management built in. Can play on up to 5 computers.

    1. Re:from www.macrumors.com by Maserati · · Score: 1

      One key point about the new iMacs: they're shipping with the Mighty Mouse standard.

      Apple has just announced a computer with a multi-button mouse standard. That's a big move and everyone is being kinda quiet about it, certainly I'm not seeing anyone blogging about it yet.

      I'm a little cheesed, I'm in the process of deploying 8 iMacs, but they're Tuesday's models. I hope Front Row and Photobooth show up on the website or Software Update soon. To make up for it I'll have to come up with a compelling business reason for me to have personal use of a 60 GB 5G Pod.

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  93. what's next? by ChrisGilliard · · Score: 0

    Ipod Pico?

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  94. The Store's Down For Updates Already by Phat_Tony · · Score: 1
    Well, I don't think he broke the news too early.

    The Apple Store is already down for updates. When I go there now, it says "We'll be back soon. We are busy updating the store for you, and will be back within the hour."

    Doesn't look there will be much of a wait to see these things, unless they're just updating the minis or some other product now and the iPods are coming later.

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  95. Per AppleInsider by phinneas · · Score: 0
    http://mwsf.pixelshelf.com/appleinsider/

    • New application called "Photobooth".
    • New iMacs 1.5GHz - 2.1GHz in 17" and 20". Prices $1299, $1359, $1699, $1759. iMacs come with FrontRow Bluetooth Remote, iSight, .
    • 2000 music videos available from iTunes Music Store.
    • iTunes 6.0 on its way.
    • Apple has announced the iPod with video capabilities. 320 x240 resolution 2.5-inch screen. MPEG4.
    • Apple has reportedly blocked cell phone access, and hence live coverage, from today's special event.
  96. It's here. The video iPod has been announced! by Powertrip · · Score: 1

    New iPod announced -- 2.5-inch display, 320 x 240 resolution, MPEG-4 support, and video out. Engadget caught that they are 30% thinner than current full-size iPod. Will be available in 20GB and 60GB versions for $299 and $399, respectively. New iMac, and 'FrontRow' remote as well...

  97. Apple online store offline right now by Optic7 · · Score: 1

    At 11:01AM Pacific time Says: "We are busy updating the store right now and will be back within the hour"

  98. free extended warranty by hotsauce · · Score: 1

    that sucks. did you buy any of these things using a credit card? a little known fact about most cards is that they automatically double the warranty of products purchased on them. call your card company, they will give you the right mastercard or visa number

    if non os x makes you ill and you want more than two years coverage, maybe the apple warranty can be justified over 3 yrs. i wouldnt count on anything running on the hacked beta os x x86

  99. macnews.de coverage translated by objekt · · Score: 1

    "Dissolution: Beside the Desperate Housewives knows one draws subscribe and three further series, which in this country does not admit is. The videos have a dissolution of 320 x of 240 pixels."

    More here:

    http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F %2Fwww.macnews.de%2F&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en

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  100. New tv ad on updated iPod site (w/ u2) by Brendor · · Score: 1
  101. They just announced it. . . by TripleE78 · · Score: 1

    Honest to goodness video iPod announcment. Go figure.

    Here's the story

    ~EEE~

  102. It's here. by forged · · Score: 1

    The new iPod, featuring a gorgeous 2.5-inch color screen, can display album artwork and photos, as well as play stunning video including music videos, video podcasts, home movies and television shows. The new iPod holds up to 15,000 songs, 25,000 photos or over 150 hours of video and is available in a 30GB model for $299 and a 60GB model for $399, with both models available in stunning white or black designs. Oct 12, 2005.

  103. Guess I spoke too soon!!! by digitaldc · · Score: 1
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  104. The new iPods are already announced by essinger · · Score: 1
  105. The new ipods are on the apple store... by Optic7 · · Score: 1
    15,000 songs, 25,000 photos, 150 hours of video. $299/$399. 30GB/60GB. 2.5" screen. mpeg4/h.264 video. smaller.

    "H.264 video up to 768 kbps, 320 x 240, 30 frames per second; MPEG-4 video up to 2.5mbps, 480 x 480, 30 frames per second"

  106. Ob Futurama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > iPod Suppo.

    Fry: There's no way I can swallow that!
    Farnsworth: Good news!

  107. Re:It's "good better best" across the product line by Castar · · Score: 1

    Next thing you know, you're thinking about spending $500 for something where you justified the purchase because it was cheap at $100.

    You're entirely right. When the Mac Mini came out, I thought "Wow, now that Apples are affordable, I really want to try out OSX!"

    A few weeks later, I bought myself a $2500 PowerBook.

    Damn you and your marketing, Jobs!

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  108. They already are out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  109. Apple After Sony? by JhohannaVH · · Score: 1

    Heheheeh... they already do this. It's called the PSP. :P Seriously... that's what it looks like, that Apple is going to try to get the iPod to go the direction of the PSP. I'll tell ya... I am NOT a Playstation fan, though I'm a Sony ho, I hate the Playstation. But I *want* a PSP. More than I want an iPod Nano. But not more than I want just a regular plain old iPod. :P

    Jho

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  110. Re:Even smaller? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why is parent redundant? i like physics jokes! lol

  111. Re:3G iPod survived the baby drop by johnrpenner · · Score: 1


    over the 2004 christmas holidays, i was over at my friend's with my 3Gen iPod (15gig),
    who has a small kid (4 years old?). had the 'iskin' rubber protection off, and the kid
    was curious, and dropped it onto the wood floor while it was playing ,
    and it just kept on going.

    now, it probably cached the song, and the hard drive could've been idle,
    but still -- after almost a year, the thing is still working perfectly, the
    hard drive heads didn't get progressively worse from that point or anything.

    -- its just one more ipod that survived a baby --

    best regards,
    j.

  112. Re:One product shop by dangitman · · Score: 1
    Wake the fuck up clown.

    I prefer to let sleeping clowns lie. That way, they can't stab you. I certainly can't sleep when the clown is awake.

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  113. Re:One product shop by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
    Most reviews of "mp3 phones" complain about a total lack of synergy - it is _exactly_ the sum of it's parts.

    I completely agree. I've used many different devices like that over the years. My present one is pretty good, though there is always room for improvement. For example, on my last phone you could read a text message, hit reply and get a choice of e-mail, fax, land-line call, mobile call and of course text to communicate back. It brought all the functions of phone/text and email together in a seemless interface. My present one does not work like that; it's obvious that the text messaging was added into an existing software package as an after-thought. It lacks this linking, e.g. text is on a different, extended menu. I do forgive it however, because auto-pausing music for a call is brilliant, the headset (wired) has a single button to answer so you don't even need to take it out your pocket. It does however increase the accusing glances implying some sort of schizophrenia disorder.

  114. Shrinking iPod, nothing new by SlashyX5 · · Score: 1

    I hope this time, they add some more features like an FM tuner and not just make it smaller!

    1. Re:Shrinking iPod, nothing new by SlashyX5 · · Score: 1

      In addition to my last post: Who needs more iPods this year anyway? I think they should have saved it all for next year and they could have made an even bigger impact. It could have been "oooh, Apple iPod is back and better than ever!" instead of "ahh, another iPod? I think I'll just wait another month till the other model comes out and it goes on sale!". Maybe some time for them to come out with newer features? I mean, how much more improved do you think the said upcoming model this year would be?? People just got their hands on the Nano's! Geez.

  115. I did a review of the new iPod released today. by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    You can find that review here, for those interested in a third party review not tied to Apple, Microsoft, or any other major corporation.

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  116. Re:It's "good better best" across the product line by fbg111 · · Score: 1

    And then Apple plays this whole "$50 more" game.

    It's called Market Segmentation, and Joel Spolsky wrote a great article on it.

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  117. VIDEO IPOD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... And now the video iPod has become a reality.

    http://www.apple.com/ipod/ipod.html

    *sigh*

  118. Re:One product shop by gilesjuk · · Score: 1

    Only because AMD have so magnificently outgunned them for a number of years now. AMD wouldn't have put out such a lame processor as the P4 is.

    Look at how Intel put all its 64-bit hopes on the Itanium which has all but failed.

    The P4 was supposed to reach 10GHz and yet it won't even reach 4Ghz now. Intel have ditched the P4's processing core keeping the memory bus and have reverted to a suped up PIII core. Hardly a ringing endorsement for a company with their resources. In a way it's like Microsoft, they promised the earth for Vista and they had to scrap most of the features promised, fork the Windows server code and get their development practises into gear.

    This kinda proves that ponopolies simply breed complacency.