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Hans Reiser Leads Police To Nina's Body
jlmcgraw was the first to alert us that Hans Reiser has led police to the location in the Oakland Hills where he buried the body of his wife Nina. (We discussed the rumor that he would do so last month.) SFGate.com reports that remains were recovered but have not yet been identified. Reiser is to be sentenced on Wednesday. CBS5 claims that Reiser made a deal for a reduced sentence, to 15 years, in exchange for revealing the body.
I feel bad for the kids - that is such a messed up situation.
It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
All you people who said "I still don't believe Hans did it" -- do you doubt it now?
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There was always that little (irrational) bit of me that said he was innocent. Foof.
I held out so much hope all during the trial process that Hans wasn't guilty. And even after he'd been convicted, I held onto the cynical thought that Nina was alive and well somewhere in Russia, laughing at all of this, and that someday it would all be revealed as a fraud.
Good luck, Hans.
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Que lame "good thing he was journaling" jokes in 3.. 2..
Even after the conviction, given the circumstantial case some doubts remained. This certainly removes all remaining doubts.
that he is repeatedly raped in prison and catches AIDS. He deserves a long and painful death.
I knew he was guilty all along - just wanted to say a big HAHA to all the trolls that said he was innocent just because he wrote FOSS.
That was a long seek operation.
FINALLY
I'm not talking about Nina's body being discovered or Hans Reiser being guilty or whatever.
I'm just saying that given enough people in a community, you'll certain amounts of people who lie, cheat, steal and even murder.
I don't get the lesser sentence for cooperating. If you want a lesser amount of time in jail, don't make us go through a trial and then turn the body over only after you've played out the string.
Maybe he was digging her a tunnel to Russia and got stuck.
But how many "He's still innocent" posts will we see NOW?
(Posting as AC, because such would probably call this flamebait. But its a serious question.)
Does this whole situation affect your choice of file system? Personally, I would have to say so. This is a very sad story. There is something very morbid about using the work of a murderer.
It's unfortunate. A woman is dead, and the large majority of the tech community (myself included) has egg on their faces. We wanted to believe it wasn't true... well, the proof is in the pudding.
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its my favorite for using on linux and its a shame that these open source guys are such cowardly murderers
There are two archetypes of nerds, which oddly parallel serial killer archetypes: disorganized and spontaneously creative vs organized and methodically calculating.
The M.O. he demonstrated in the crime indicates the disorganized type.
If he were the methodical type, his crime might not have even been noticed.
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Hans did shoot first?
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And for years people were complaining that ReiserFS has poor file recovery abilities. This certainly showed them to be wrong.
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No matter how much we argue or try to make "programming jokes" about this incident the truth is these kids' mother is dead, their father is going away for a long time and they are going to be the ones bearing one of the heaviest burdens in this particular case.
This whole case sets a terrible precedent, the more so now that the damn prosecutor can gloat about "being right all along." Hans was still convicted without a shred of real proof, and that is still a horrible tragedy for the justice system (if it can even still be called a system).
Here's the lesson, kids: you don't need proof as long as you *happen* to be right.
I was hoping he wasn't guilty but damn, he is guilty. He knows where the body is! I hope he gets his in prison.
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He duped a minority, methinks.
There were lots of us who thought he probably did it: the "she ran away" excuse just never floated, and there was too much stupid circumstantial excuses (I don't care HOW much of a geek you are, doing BOTh the seat AND flooding the car AND saying you slept in the wet sopping car is just ridiculous)
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With things like this coming out, it is going to be much, much harder to find a wonderful woman. Let alone getting 1000 points in an hour playing Team Fortress 2.
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We may have been wrong about Hans but we'll never question what else we were wrong about.
Whatever, shes dead.
Good, she deserved it.
She cheated on him with his best friend, Sean Sturgeon.
She stole money from his company.
She conspired with Sean Sturgeon to steal his company.
She as a mother was irresponsible and was abusing illegal substances. She did ecstasy with Sean Sturgeon.
I hope Hans Reiser can get a laptop with an internet connection so that he can continue his development of his great file system!
Go Hans Reiser! You're the man!
Wow, he murdered someone? Big deal. She never did anything for me anyways.
Hans Reiser on the other hand provided me with a really great file system. Thanks man!
Thank you, Hans, for testifying. Thanks again for leading police to your wife's body.
Now, Hans, don't be thinking of ways to convince people that you're innocent after this . . .
Count Rumsford (thermodynamics) - traitor
Ludwig Boltzmann - suicide
William Shockley (transistor) - racist
James Watson - big mouth
Why would they agree to reduce his sentence?
HTH.
HAND.
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I can't believe a brain that cunning would be so stupid.
I entertained the idea of ReiserFS at one point but decided to go with ext3 even though I had a ton of small files. I think even the looming doubt of his guilt was enough.
This sucks, apparently he failed to traverse the tree of future consequences to a sufficient depth or chose a really bad pruning mechanism for said tree. Sorry, bad joke, had to do it.
This doesn't prove he's guilty. He may have had knowledge of the murder, and use that to reduce the sentence. I still have faith that the real story will come out.
This will impact future development in a negative fashion. If there were others that could seriously continue development, then sure, I'll keep using it. And I'll keep watching Chris Benoit wrestling matches.
I hope you also don't wear anything with Cotton in it. I mean, unless you are pro-slavery of course. And I certainly hope you wouldn't drive a VW or other German car ... or are you pro-Nazi?
I can understand you being a bit emotional at the moment, but at some point you need to start to think reasonably. If you stopped using quality products because of the nature of some of those involved in their design and production, you'd probably be naked, and starving. The above was but a small sample of examples. Also, namesys is more than Hans Reiser, and throwing the baby out with the bath water is an expression for a reason.
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If he were methodical he probably wouldn't have committed murder, what a stupid thing to do!
all the people from LA.
last time I saw that sort of hopeful thinking it was kobe and people saying he didnt cheat on his wife. And he did. We all love our heros, dont we?
Well, heros are usually only good at the one thing they are touted for... im not asking kobe to fix my car for sure.
With all the smart people around here, why would anyone think that a computer programmer is any less suceptible to violent acts than any other?
I mean, is it just because computer geeks are well known as the most well adjusted people on the planet? :)
There's nothing Intelligent about Intelligent Design.
He's just proven that he is psychic!!
If he were methodical he probably wouldn't have committed murder, what a stupid thing to do!
Murder has it's place. Ask the CIA.
This case is all based on circumstantial evidence. I mean, first we're convicting people based on the books they read, and now on the bodies they can find! FREE PAUL REISER!!
Looks like someone goofed...
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RIP Nina.
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You're asking the wrong question.
The question to ask is whether Reiser should have been convicted. At the time, I thought it was more likely than not that he had done it, but I also thought there wasn't enough physical evidence to convict him beyond a reasonable doubt.
Of course, one can't know what exactly went through the jury's minds, so we should give them the benefit of the doubt. However, I do find it worrisome that several jurors basically said that they convicted him because they didn't like him.
I know the woman is dead, but from what I read, wasn't she a bit of a .. bitch?
I don't want to sound like I'm defending murder here, but not I nor you nor anyone else know what Nina did to make him kill her.
Murder is illegal. That is a good thing. He got caught after killing someone, he pays the price. That is well and good.
But I don't think we should be saying things like "evil" and "I hope he dies of AIDS in jail" until you know the facts of the situation, and what she did to make him kill her. Sure, maybe it was nothing, and he's just a psychopath - but maybe it was years of abuse, in which case I have quite a lot of difficulty blaming him completely.
I've seen marriages so sick and dysfunctional I almost wish one of the parties would kill the other. Everyone's life would get better if one of them just did it. Some people lead such sick, disgraceful lives that I have little guilt in thinking the world would be better of without them in it.
Killing someone because you want their money, or you don't like the colour of their skin, is a crime against humanity itself and anyone who does that's life is forfeit, in my opinion. But killing someone after they inflict years of mental abuse? The matter is far less black and white. Illegal, yes. Wrong, too .. maybe. Certainly not optimal. But evil?
Some people have it coming. I'm not saying one way or the other here, OK. I don't know Mr Reiser, nor have I any emotional investment one way or the other. I just don't believe murder is always the heinous evil crime some might think. Sometimes, it's the wheel of karma turning. Sometimes, it's a public service.
Of course, we don't know, and will likely never know, what caused the murder. But have we all decided anyway?
Maybe Reiser is a sick psychopathic fuck who kills for kicks. Maybe Nina had it coming. Who knows? Not you or I. So let's lay off the fire and brimstone, what do you say?
OMG, I cringed and chuckled to the point that my wife had to ask what was up... That is so sick and wrong, and SO FUCKING FUNNY. +1 Sick and Twisted
put the what in the where?
he was definitely methodical about his FS!!!!!
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Maybe nina did too.
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As part of the deal that was discussed, CBS News learned that Reiser's mandated sentence of 25 years to life sentence could be cut to 15 years to life. Such an agreement would entail a judge allowing Reiser's conviction to be reduced to second-degree murder.
Emphasis is mine. It's not guaranteed that he'll get a reduced sentence.
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The M.O. he demonstrated in the crime indicates the disorganized type.
But what does that say about his code?
I think the conviction (first degree murder, i.e. preplanned) is still ridiculous. The evidence for preplanning was very weak. Part of it was that Hans bought a book about murder investigations--but he bought it AFTER Nina's disappearance. You'd think someone planning a murder and wanting to foil an investigation would buy the book BEFORE doing the deed. Another part was that he removed his cell phone battery to avoid being tracked--again AFTER the disappearance. I've been neutral about Hans's possible innocence (60% of Wired Magazine readers in a survey thought he was innocent) but I always thought the premeditation charge was ridiculous. If it was preplanned there are a million less crazy ways he could have done it, such as hiring professionals from Russia or at least making better arrangements to get rid of the body far away. I've felt it more plausible that he lost self-control in the heat of an argument, found himself with a dead wife and a potential giant heap of trouble, and then, after the fact, decided (unsuccessfully) to try to outrun/outsmart the police. That would be second degree murder rather than first, if I remember my Perry Mason reruns.
After being out-of-order in court, he spilled the encryptic details about where his wife was stored and from there on, the jury knew he was corrupted. Strangely enough, due to his cooperation, officials didn't even have to raid his home...
You know what though...? inode he was a criminal all along.
There, I'm glad to have gotten that out of my system.
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What's interesting is comparing the comments in this thread with pre-body, both pre and post conviction. The vast majority here felt that the murderer Reiser was being "railroaded" and there was reasonable explanations for everything and that it was perfectly believable that his wife had fled to Russia, and so on... Now it seems the majority have always thought he was guilty as Hell? Good grief!
Also, I keep hearing he made a deal for 15 years? Not so. It's 15 years to life . What this means is that MAYBE he gets out in 15, but he'll spend AT LEAST 15.
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The urge to divide everything into two -- black or white, friend or enemy, capitalism or communism, christian or heathen, disorganized or organized -- is a recognized mental oddity.
In most cases, there is not only a sliding scale (or shades of grey, if you like), but multiple axes.
That we so easily try place things in a two-bin system might be because it makes it easier for us to make decisions.
Hans Reiser is an odd man out in many ways, but can't be explained this easily. He's not just a disorganized person. He's a complex person. And if you'd ever talked to him, you'd know that in some things he is meticulously organized, while in others, not. Binning him like you did seems silly, but if it makes it easier for you to deal with, hey, whatever sinks your bathyscaphe.
Why didn't he wait, maintain his innocence and try to come out of jail early? What does it mean 15-to life? Can he come out early for good behavior?
Some one needs to create the Thugz distro. A linux that won't disrepect you.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
He better rise her from the dead so he can defrag or get out of the cluster fscked filing system that's going to spin his platter for 15 years at 7200+ RPM....
Too bad. To bad he didn't get a snapshot of immutable evidence and use it as grounds for divorce, if there was infidelity. (Assuming he had no skels to hide by which she would negate his attempt or a divorce...)
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Apart from all the disgust at this, there is another thing to think about: What happens to FOSS projects when their principle developer goes away? For instance, consider the case of a (non tech) company who has been advised to install a particular FOSS solution that is written by a single/small group of developers. They do this and their organization now runs on this software and as and when required they get upgrades to correct security and feature issues.
However, a little down the line the single/small group dissolves (could be many reasons - now including murder as well - but also for things like actually getting a good, paying job to support the family, "works well for me" attitude, etc.) and the project is no longer supported. Now, of course you say that since it's FOSS, they can pick up the code and make corrections to it. Since they may not be tech savvy enough to write/understand/change others' code, this may be a major pain. they might also need to pay someone else a hefty amount to make sure it works.
Whereas a commercial software (FOSS or not) will make things easier by ensuring support for the stuff they give out.
I honestly thought he was innocent until now.
They're using their grammar skills there.
Goddamnit, Hans. Why would you do such a thing (this whole murder thing, not the bargaining)? Killing a person is a monumentally stupid way of resolving a problem. We knew you had personal problems, but damn... couldn't you have just gotten a divorce like most people?
Why didn't he wait, maintain his innocence and try to come out of jail early? What does it mean 15-to life? Can he come out early for good behavior?
The penal system expects remorse for one's crime as the first step towards rehabilitation. Holding to one's innocence, thus, doesn't get you anything, because you haven't taken any steps towards your rehabilitation....
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All you do is convict everyone and eventually they'll admit their guilt.
Oh wait, I think they used to do that in the 16th century, never mind.
How we know is more important than what we know.
Murder your wife and get a reduced sentence for showing authorities where the body of the dead mother of your children are?
15 years for murder?
This is insane. He should get life. Period.
I hope his children are kept safely away from him.
This AC is spot-on. I wouldn't go so far as say we need to raise money, but I do think Slashdotters should be aware that if they ever stumble across Hans and Nina's kids, they deserve a little extra consideration.
What if I do the same thing, and I do get different results?
From the article, the location where he dumped Nina must be approximately here:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.833531,-122.182109
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Won't somebody think of the children?
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where he hid the passenger seat of his car.
There are two archetypes of nerds, which oddly parallel serial killer archetypes: disorganized and spontaneously creative vs organized and methodically calculating.
The M.O. he demonstrated in the crime indicates the disorganized type.
If he were the methodical type, his crime might not have even been noticed.
There's nothing serial about killing your wife because she cheated on you with your best friend.
You can't take the sky from me...
The M.O. he demonstrated in the crime indicates the disorganized type.
You want to delve into psychopath vs. sociopath types here. Psychopaths are the calculating, detail oriented types (who usually get away with crimes), and their goal is to end up in a position of authority (aim to become Judges/Surgeons or Militarymen etc. where they can decide fate of others). Sociopaths on the other hand plan less meticulously, more prone to jumping from one crime to another, like say a psychopath with ADD.
It didn't always compile.
I know one of the tenets of the legal system putting people in jail is so they can repay their debt to society. There's obviously a lot of debate about whether this happens, but maybe in this case a good option would be to give him a PC and let him spend the next 15 years writing open source software.
Arguably if he enjoys doing it it might not be the punishment everyone would hope he could get, but at least the rest of society might benefit from his work while he's in there - something that's quite a bit different from the normal number-plate-stamping idea of prison productivity.
Disorganized serial killers don't usually have long careers. They usually get caught because they've made a mistake. The true psychopaths are tend to be organized.
Yay! An intelligent human!
to work on ReiserFS 24/7 for the rest of his natural life.
that Hans didn't do it still? I bet there are still a few.
Well, he still wrote a damn good filesystem
The prosecutor represents "the people" collectively - not specifically the individual victims of crime (and, even less the victim's families). It is inappropriate for the prosecutor to plea bargain punishment down in exchange for information to help provide "closure" for the victim's family after the conviction. As a result of such plea bargaining, criminals can manipulate the system to get lighter sentences which in turn reduces the deterrent effect of the law enforcement and criminal justice system for which we all pay.
If limited evidence reduces the chance of a conviction and the suspect confesses (and can prove they did it) in exchange for a plea bargain, that may be appropriate.
(Now, if Hans had requested a cell mate other than Bubba who's pursuing a mail order degree in proctology, it might be alright with me if Hans was informed that revealing the location of his body might get his request more serious consideration -- or at least a few coupons good for Vaseline at the prison commissary).
Why is there an "insightful" mod and why isn't it "-1"? If I wanted insight, I wouldn't be reading
Good luck? The man is a fucking murderer. I don't care if he's fucking Linux God and able to write programs just by looking at them, he's a despicable human being and deserves no luck at this point.
It makes me sad too, it makes me sad that he did it, it makes me sad that he thought he could get away with it, it makes me sad that he actually used the "I'm too smart to know what I did" defense
You don't sound sad.
You can't take the sky from me...
I wonder if he will be allowed to contribute to open source from prison? Repay his debt to society with code. Or maybe his code would kill us all.
What I really don't understand is he gets to hold her location out like a trophy and then his reward is a better sentence? He did the time, he was convicted, who gives a rats ass if he lead them to the body (sentence wise). Were they afraid of an appeal? Or is just giving the closure to the family somehow outweighing him being in jail longer?
> these kids' mother is dead, their father is going away for a long time and they are going to be the ones bearing one of the heaviest burdens in this particular case.
Funny thing, that. I had pretty much the same thing happen to me (dad kills mom for essentially no reason, insanity defense very much on the table). IMHO, my brother & I turned out okay. I just wish that Hans had gotten life in prison. I doubt the kids will be too eager to see Hans when he's released. I haven't seen dad since the trial.
In the incredibly off chance that someone here knows those kids, I can offer just one piece of advice: don't avoid them. If they're anything like me, they'll keep to themselves even more than usual. So don't leave them alone all the time.
Being that alone sucks and you can't help but feel empty after something like this.
Well, not so clueless an otaku after all that he can't negotiate.
Figured. He'd have stolen the gold from OJ and Robert Blake if the jury did not commit because leading the police back to the badly-cleaned bloody car certainly "implied" the glove fit.
So after all this time, with all the shenanigans that went on, he can recover her body? Talk about a robust journalling algorithm !
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
Apostrophes have their place, too.
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Wasn't that an R. Kelly video?
There is something very morbid about using the work of a murderer.
Just because Nazis killed innocent Jews to discover the best way to save someone from hypothermia (put them in a naked pile with warm living bodies under a good blanket) doesn't mean you don't use the technique (or its' less homoerotic technological equivalent).
You just hope it saves more lives than it cost to figure it out (in needlessly cruel experiments).
This guy murdered his wife, and told his kids their mommy had abandoned them. He deserves all the hard times they throw at him, but his work is not a moral being, it's just a tool. Use it for good, that makes it good. Use for wrongs, it'll be bad.
You can't take the sky from me...
nowhere does the artcle sqy a 15 year deal was made.
The urge to divide everything into two -- black or white, friend or enemy, capitalism or communism, christian or heathen, disorganized or organized -- is a recognized mental oddity.
In most cases, there is not only a sliding scale (or shades of grey, if you like), but multiple axes.
So there are people who divide everything into two, and those who do not?
That sure brings new meaning to a filing system. No one would have found it but it was just off the road. I wonder if the ReiserFS is like that or is it really any good? What will come of it no that it's more notorious than Linux?
It still seems possible that someone else (say, Sturgeon) killed Nina and for whatever reason Reiser was privy to that detail.
However, I can't say at this point that I'd be willing to bet on it. Or vote not guilty on a jury.
Tweet, tweet.
If you are reading this Hans Reiser: Be strong. You did the right thing by killing and not getting raped in the divorce court. The system is flawed and you stood up in the most rational and noble way a man can when his back is against the wall. Use the jail time to read, grow spiritually, and do not allow the system to break you mentally. Come out stronger than ever. I'll pray for you.
But I like viewing things as one or the other. That way, everything in life is as entertaining as a football (American football) game.
USA! USA! USA!
that's enough circumstantial evidence to arrest and probably convict somebody in any state in this country.
If you want to see a great example of circumstantial evidence used to do just that in a horrible way, look no further than The Innocent Man. Half the evidence was based on jailhouse snitches, and it was corroborated by laughably unscientific "hair analysis".
Or, if you prefer, look at the huge number of supposed murderers and rapists that have sat in jail for decades, whom we're freeing left and right when someone like The Innocence Project finally gets around to paying for DNA analysis.
Not very surprisingly, the vast majority of these falsely imprisoned people are a)black and b)male.
Please help metamoderate.
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Strange - you've just described conservatism (at least the American strain of it...)
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I feel pretty sick.
Yes, things are *never* black and white, they are *always* complex. Brilliant.
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The urge to divide everything into two...is a recognized mental oddity.
If you are saying the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator is bogus...well, I agree. Not that you'll change my mom's mind with reasoned, cogent explanations.
You know if they wanted Hans to come clean they could have just used Lava soap a long time ago.
"There's nothing serial about killing your wife because she cheated on you with your best friend."
He might remarry when he gets out.
Trust the Computer. The Computer is your friend.
The jury heard all the evidence and he was clearly guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Each individual piece of circumstantial evidence was insufficient for guilt, but taken together there was no doubt (ie simple probability) he did it.
Soon he'll get the special visitor that says, "You work us now"
In GOD we trust, all others we monitor.
That's because there are two types of problem dividers:
1) Those that divide everything into two
2) Those that use multiple (>2) divisions
You are on the latter...
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What gives you the right to think you are better than him? Would you have done the same had you been through what he went through?
The truly fascinating thing about this case was to see how it polarized geeks everywhere. People had strong opinions, although I suspect that everyone outside the courtroom was relying on indirect information from news reports and opinionated bloggers/forum members to jump to conclusions.
...because even decomposed, we know her eye nodes will be recoverable.
(too soon?)
Are you sure about that? I'm the disorganized type myself, and I can never remember where I've placed the body.
Inode Reiser did it.
best put by a quote from star trek:
"I exist as pure energy, but you depend on food and water to survive. Frankly, I find it disgusting. Look at you. Look at you! Grinding up bits of plants and animals with your teeth. Secreting saliva to force it down your esophagus into a pit of digestive acids. You can't even stand to think about it yourself. What a repulsive creature you are, constantly shedding your skin and hair, leaving your oily sweat on everything you touch! You think that you are the height of intellect in the universe but you are no better than any filthy animal! And I am ashamed to be made in your image!"
a cold blooded murderer
In most cases, there is not only a sliding scale (or shades of grey, if you like), but multiple axes.
He used axes? I thought he shot her.
Article: It was highly unlikely anyone else would have found the body, Du Bois said. "They never would have found it, ever," he said. "It was so obscure, but I admit it was also clever because it was not that far off the road."
Reiser after conviction: After the verdict was read, the judge told deputies to remove Reiser from the courtroom. As he stood, he said, "I've been the best father that I know how." (http://www.sfgate.com/ZBLS)
It was most likely a first degree (premeditated) murder. Now he will get a second-degree conviction. Well...
There are only two types of people in the world: Those who see gray areas and those who only see black and white.
There are two archetypes of nerds, which oddly parallel serial killer archetypes
Killing you wife does not make you into a serial killer, just a regular killer.
I hear that Cal prisons are pretty nasty right now. The north calimexs are having a war with the south calimexs. Mrs Reiser could sell his services as an algorithm designer to determine the optimal kill order for G's on the other side; or they may just ass rape him to death.
holy crud. I'm never cleaning my apartment again. no, wait. I'll have to start cleaning my apartment from now on.
ok, I'm confused.
The reason girls and Windows users don't understand UNIX is because all the documentation is in Man files.
"if it weren't for those pesky kids and their dog!" Thanks scoob!
You're correct.
GP is wrong.
I think a lot of you slashdot commentors should eat your words on the last Reiser article that made its way up here. You know, the one where you maybe commented that him being convicted w/o a body was awful, and that he was probably innocent, and that it was probably George Bush's fault because we are all living in 1984, and anyone who disagrees with the government can be thrown into jail and locked away forever...even though the fact that you said that, and lived on to post another lame comment about how Microsoft sucks, proves your own point wrong...
anyways, you guys all suck and i hate slashdot comments!
Body?
What Body...???
(blinks)
Oh, wait a minute-- now I remember, THAT body! Why didn't you just say so in the first place?
In most cases, there is not only a sliding scale (or shades of grey, if you like), but multiple axes.
Actually, it sounds like there was a single gun.
It took so long to remember just what happened.
I was so young, vestal then, you know it hurt me.
But Im breathing so I guess Im still alive
Even the signs seemed to tell me otherwise.
Got my hands down, and my head down,
And my eyes closed, my throats wide open.
I do unto others what has been done to me.
Do unto others what has been done to you.
Im treading water. I need to sleep a while.
My lamb and martyr, you look so precious.
Wont you, wont you come a bit closer.
Close enough so I can smell you.
I need you to feel this. I cant stand to burn too long.
Release in sodomy. the one sweet moment Im whole.
I do unto you now what has been to me.
I do unto you now, what has been done.
Youre breathing so I guess youre still alive.
Even the signs seem to tell me otherwise.
Wont you, wont you come on up closer.
Close enough so I can smell you.
I need you to feel this. I need this to make me whole.
Relief in sodomy. have you witnessed that blood and flesh can be trusted. i.
Have you witnessed the blood and, this cant be trusted. i.
Only this one holy medium brings me piece of mind.
Got your hands bound, and your head down,
And your eyes closed, you look so precious now.
I have found some kind of temporary sanity in this.
Shit, blood, and come on my hands. Ive come round full circle.
My lamb and martyr, this will be over soon. you look so precious.
You look so precious now...
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That depends upon how many wives you've had.
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Jesus, for a bunch of supposedly smart people a lot of you are fucking retarded. Do you know what circumstantial evidence is? It's not "bad" evidence. Please won't you all stop saying (and I paraphrase) "all they had him with is that bad kind of evidence, that useless circumstantial kind!". It makes you sound horribly stupid.
Are you planning on marrying the guy? If not, chances are you really have little to fear from this guy when he gets out in 15 years.
If you're talking Hannibal Lecter, sure, no deals. In this case, closure for the family is far, far, far more important.
There are two kinds of people:
All those that make generalisations ought to be shot.
Leela: "Is all the work done by children?" Alien: "No, not the whipping."
it sucks that people... sick or otherwise... can end someone else's life and affect so many people, only to get caught up in our bizarre legal system.
on the other hand, it was a relief to find out that the two helicopters hovering over our house were not watching a fire. they were right on top of us (just north of skyline and ascot, in the hills above montclair).
we all have our subjective perspectives, and hope crap like this doesn't happen to us.
I understand your points. I almost agree with them. Problem is - prison is not a resort. Prison is a torture chamber. Torture is (relatively) mild there, but very prolonged. Everything you've written against tortures applies to putting convicts in prisons.
Well, we can probably outsource torturing. But not to other countries - to murderers themselves. Lock a dozen of them in one chamber - and do not open it again, ever...
25 to life
15 to life
I don't really see any reduction here, not while the to life is still tacked on there.
I would have asked for 15 even.
'sig' deleted due to the stupidity of it's 'nature'
Perhaps in his atheistic world view, morality is subjective. Who decides what is right and wrong?
Since he decides what it is even though it contrasts with the law of the land - why should he believe in it?
Hello? You do not like living with someone? There is such thing as divorce, you know. D-I-V-O-R-C-E. In this century - you can get one pretty easily. Look it up at wikipedia, divorce the poor thing, forget about her forever - and live happily ever after.
What, you want something else from somebody who is no longer your husband/wife? She is not giving it to you? Why should she - she is a stranger to you after the divorce. What, you can't live without this (unimaginable to me) thing? Kill yourself. Where does killing *her* comes into the picture?
No, it's a "clever" way to get back at the people who exposed his bullshit.
At least this will stand as a message to any other adulterous, scheming bitch.
Reiser also acknowledged that he and his wife had fought and that he had strangled her, a source familiar with the investigation said.
...red herring ? He was convicted on something which actually did not happen ? (it might also be that the "source" is blowing hot air).
So the blood in the car and in the house were
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Note: I have not been keeping up on the Hans Reiser case, nor have I read the attached articles nor comments.
So, this kind of brings up a question on how the FLOSS community will handle things in a different situation.
Let's say Hans gets out in 7 years (Good behavior and all that), and returns to write code, and begins working on Reiser FS version 5. His code is tight, the file system performs fantastically, self heals, does not fragment files, washes the dishes, cleans the clothes, makes coffee... but it's code from a known felon.
The question is, can the FLOSS community recognize good code from a person who has done bad things? Or will his previous actions dictate what we think of him and any product he creates?
I hope we can accept the good with the bad. Some people probably will hate Hans forever, and will never accept anything which has his code (let alone anything with his name on it). Others will not care, and will use the code if it fits their needs.
We shall see.
There are even axes to the graph, crazily enough. Plural.
I divide everything into 3 + 2i bins myself.
What people seem to forget is that while any one of these things doesn't mean anything by itself, they add up to a bigger picture. People keep trying to deconstruct individual facts. That's not how it works at trial. It isn't a case of "every fact must prove, on it's own, that this happened." They are all considered together. So while there is reasonable doubt for a given fact, there's not when they are all presented together. For example, suppose that someone claims I stole their laptop. They didn't actually see me take it and I don't currently have it, however the following is known:
--I was the last person seen in the area of the laptop before it was discovered missing.
--I had no reason to be in that area, and can offer no plausible reason as to why I was.
--There were security cameras in the area, however I moved in such a way to always avoid their lines of sight.
--My fingerprints were found around the area where the laptop was prior to going missing.
--I was was observed carrying a small box, that would hold a laptop from my car back to my house, after leaving the area.
--I suddenly have an amount of cash consistent with the sale of such a laptop that I can provide no plausible way for getting.
--I am discovered to have books on the topic of security systems, and removing tracking software from a laptop.
--Several pawn shop owners said I inquired about the discretion they exercise in relation to goods they buy.
At some point in there, it becomes pretty clear that I am the guy who stole the laptop. Any given fact on it's own isn't a big deal. Like getting extra money without a good explanation isn't indicative of theft, maybe I just got it in a way I'm not proud of. However taken all together and with no plausible alternative explanation, it really isn't reasonable to doubt that I stole the laptop. Just because I don't have the laptop itself, doesn't mean a jury can't find beyond a reasonable doubt that I did steal it.
Same deal in the Reiser case. You take all the evidence together and there is very little doubt. Any that remained he did a good job of erasing with his testimony. One of the things juries can certainly weigh is how ceredable the alternative explanations the defense and defendant offer are. If they offer a very credible, plausible explanation, well then that can make reasonable doubt, even in the light of strong evidence. However if they offer extremely unbelievable stories, well then the jury can infer they are lying.
Part of the problem is people here do the geek extremist thing and start taking ANY amount of doubt to be reasonable. No, that's not how it works. You don't have to prove a case beyond any doubt, because there's always some doubt. I mean there is some doubt that the sun will come up tomorrow. Very, very little, but still some. Just because it has always happened in the past, doesn't mean it will for sure, beyond any doubt, happen in the future.
So the proof in court isn't about absolutes, it is about reasonable doubt. That means is it REASONABLE to doubt that someone did it. The jury said no, it isn't, and it looks as though they are correct, it wasn't.
There were some posts that contained it outright, others that you could see it in the subtext. It is something not surprising since there are an above normal amount of people here who have trouble dealing with women. It leads some of those people to dislike and distrust women. They believe Hans simply because they find it more likely that a woman would screw over a man than vice versa. Now combine that with the OSS hero status and you really have a situation that blinds them to the facts.
I think you'd find that had the situation been reversed (Nina killing Hans) that there would have been no doubt in their minds she was guilty, in no small part because of her gender.
The jury had as good odds of getting the right verdict as a coin flip.
Thank god I was running ReiserFS. I accidentally deleted nina.wife but thanks to the fs' recycle bin I was able to recover the file (renamed nina.corpse).
Could he also please lead police to the files of mine he killed back in the 90s? The murder weapon, let it be read into the public record, was ReiserFS.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
No, there are people who divide some things but not others into two groups, and people who divide things into two groups sporadically.
It's like the Epimenides paradox ("All Cretans are liars", says Epimenides, who is a Cretan). A liar doesn't lie all the time, only when it suits him. If a liar had to lie all the time, his deception wouldn't be very effective because everyone would know he was lying.
One telling of the story of Hercules has him match wits with Nereus, the Old Man of the Sea, who has a reputation for lying but cleverly tells two true statements to Hercules, who then falls for the third one when it turns out to be a lie.
We can't believe he's guilty because he's one of us.
No he's not one of us, he had a wife. Hand in your geek card on the way out.
maybe they'll let him code in prison
no access to the web, but he may be able to successfully request an offline computer for coding purposes
coding is such a monklike existence anyway, he may actually get a lot of work done in prison
he could wind up like this guy in terms of being a murdering asshole but still contributing to the world in the realm of scholarly pursuits
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Also, no bleeding episodes in my car were followed up by the removal of half the seats in the car or the washing of the inside of my car.
... you didn't clean the blood off? Sounds sticky.
I'm sure no one will read this or those who do will mod this down to flamebait.
I don't care.
I must speak.
J'accuse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J'accuse_(letter)
J'accuse the majority of people posting on this issue of being ethically and morally challenged. J'accuse the majority of people posting on this issue of making jokes about, making light of, making justifications for, or simply failing to appreciate the true gravity of the cold-blooded murder of Nina Reiser.
J'accuse the majority of people in this community of blatant, nihilistic elitism on par with Leopold and Loeb. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_and_loeb
You all will attack me, you will ignore me. I don't care.
I must speak. I must speak for the dead.
Even your beloved repository of information shows your bias: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Reiser.
All she is is a footnote to her killer's article. As far as you all are concerned she has no life except as a part of his life.
She had parents and family and people who loved her: people who will cry every day for her.
And all you collectively care about is your gods damned file system, your clever little jokes and who gets modded up most.
I abjure http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=abjure you. You all are lost. You have no soul. You have no heart.
In your shallow thoughts about ethics and morals, I'm sure you at least know what karma http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma is: it's been referenced in some posts. So remember: some day, you who treat this so lightly will meet a similar horrible fate and others will ignore who you were; make little seemingly clever jokes; maybe even strive to get modded up in their little jokes made about who they thought you were.
J'accuse the majority of people in this community of inhumanity and being no better (and maybe even worse) than those people you so often claim victimize you and prey on you.
Shame on all of you.
In memory of Nina Reiser. Birthdate unknown because I can't fscking find it on the Internet...how's that, eh?
There are two kinds of people: those who think there are two kinds of people and those who don't.
I think that prison rape doesn't even stand as deterrent. For big, tough and homosexual folks and for masochistic and homosexual folks it might even be the opposite.
Everybody is bellyaching about Nina, but those of us who knew her knew she was such a bitch. I came close to strangling her myself a few times, and I didn't even have to live with her constant carping while trying to come up with a better file system.
crudely expressing anger at a confessed murderer on an online forum: wrong
murdering someone: "Maybe Nina had it coming."
zzz
don't feed the troll folks. and if this guy isn't actually trolling and actually believes what he wrote, he'll be in jail himself at some point, with those priorities
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I mean he killed a human being. I mean the guy could be out of jail in less than 15 years if he gets paroled. His wife's never coming back. The irony of this whole thing is that by proving without a shadow of a doubt that he murdered her, he will get his punishment reduced.
The theory is neat, but, for instance I'm both. I just vary: sometimes I am one or the other; for some things I am one, and the opposite for others. Sometimes very creative, spur-of-the-moment, unfortunately disorganised; other times very methodical, cautios, calculative, planned, uncreative. To be fair, I would have trouble believing it myself if someone else told me they were like that. And to tell the truth, for most projects I feel that a combination of the two "poles" is most helpful.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YiOZRzfOUl0
Someone can spend a long time denying a crime, causing lots of money to be spent on a trial, anguish for the family, children etc. and then, once convicted can say 'oh yes, well actually I did do it. I was lying all along' and get a reduced sentence.
It's such a cynical ploy that he should get a longer stretch rather than less.
Tsk.
Why would they lock up the guy who found the body by just using his mind? He should win the lottery and use the cash to fight the case.
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There are 11 people in the world. Those who know binary and those who don't.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
He'd have got 15years for manslaughter - 50% remission - time spent on remand = about 5years actual time.
He have got his own cell, 3 square meals, a playstation 3 and a TV.
Hans has a black belt in judo, he'll survive better than another nerd might.
Well let's hope for his sake he knows the martial art rather than JUDO - the Java IDE for Children and Beginning Programmers!!
I'm sure a black belt in judo is the surest way to a gang raping in prison. Come on, it's judo. We're talking about prison.
Well going on the wikipedia description of Judo, it's possible that Hans might be the one using it to his advantage:
"...Its most prominent feature is its competitive element, where the object is to either throw one's opponent to the ground, immobilize or otherwise subdue one's opponent with a grappling maneuver, or force an opponent to submit by joint locking the elbow or by applying a choke. Strikes and thrusts..."
Still from a defensive pount of view Judo is good at throwing people off your back.... unfortunately though as he will soon discover you can't watch your back all the time particularly not when you've been asked to pickup the soap.... So maybe we will all be refering to "ReiserFS" as "ReiserForcedSex" where Hans is having his own file system journaled rigorously with lots of tail packing to reduce his own internal fragmentation. One thing for sure he will gain a new understanding of terms such as "open sourced", "shareware" and "public domain". I just hope for his sake that he's resolve his fsck issues otherwise he's seriously fsck'd!
I think it's funny that O.j Simpson. A man who without a doubt murdered not just one but TWO people.
Walked.
Because he was an athlete. Possibly also because of race issues. Because he was "charming" and did what his team of scum bag lawyers told him to do.
But a programmer, well we aren't athletes are we?
Hans murdered her, because he loved his kids and she was taking them away from him. She burned him in every way possible and he finally snapped. It wasn't right but it was something I can understand.
Welcome to the modern dilemma where all the raw male emotions required to fight for survival and hunt for food have to be caged and ignored in order to be processed by the system like a slab of beef. Guess what sometimes when you hound someone through the courts, fuck his best friend, and try to deny him access to his kids by moving them to russia you might find out that he can only take so much.
Having been made into weekend daddy/ATM myself I know where the guy was coming from. He just let it off the leash for a few minutes and then scrambled to try to avoid having the rest of his life ruined...
Some people are only alive because it would be illegal to kill them, and from what I saw of her actions Nina fit that bill.
All you do nothing hounds who never wrote a line of code, or did anything worth remembering in your entire life clamoring for him to be brutalized in prison, I spit on you. I have had family and friends in prison the shit that will be done to him, it would be kinder to kill him. Last time I checked the sentence was for a number of years not a number of brutal rapes and or infection with aids, hep C, or herpes. Try to familiarize yourself with what you so gleefully wish on another human being. http://www.spr.org/ the survivor stories would probably be a good place to start.
The man worked his ass off and gave away the fruits of his genius to the world, and because he gave it away he was broke when it came time for him to buy someone like Johnny Cochran ( I neither know nor care how that fucks name is spelled).
I for one will be sending him 10 or 20 bucks a month to his prison commissary, small things like that can really make a huge difference when you are behind bars. If you enjoyed using his file system, or if you ever found yourself in a bad situation you regret maybe you should too.
Or at least stop rushing in to point out black and white cats, they are all grey in the dark after all. If you have a problem with what I have to say, please reply.
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What a shame, the whole thing. Just awful, depressing, and demoralizing.
Innocent woman murdered, a bright (and fellow tribe member to boot - yes, I still consider him a fellow tribe member in spite of what he did) man's life down the drain, two kids with no parents . . .
I hope she rests in peace, I hope he gets help for his problems (and to anyone who wishes him worse still, YOU go and live in a fucking California State Penitentiary, specially as a white man . . . he will pay for his crime for sure - I hope he has it in him to fight like an animal) and I hope the kids are and remain in good hands.
How awful. It might happen everyday, but this one gets to me. At least, at least, he WAS guilty, thus he was not wrongly convicted owing to his being an arrogant, abrasive geek. No logic to my relief of course, but part of me feels relieved. The thought of him being innocent and spending the better part of the remainder of his life in the pen straight fucking haunted me.
Sigh.
SARAVA!
multiple axes
Cue the axe-murderer gags...
Reiser's attorney flat out denied that he had Aspberger's, and Reiser never once raised any sort of mental illness defense.
True. Yet, he did make errors due to what I perceived as vanity.
Furthermore, his speech skills were fine, he is actually very articulate. I find it hard to believe that he had any sort of autism-related mental illness.
If you read his emails to LKML and others, you can see a clear lack of social skills. This is not proof that he has asperger's, of course. Yet, I have been convinced for year's that he does, in fact, suffer from at least a mild form of it. I am not a doctor and I never met him (probably true for you, as well), of course.
All in all, I had the same gut feeling your grandparent had. Knowing a lot of geeks and nerds, the murder book theory makes sense. So does driving without a front passenger seat, provided you drive alone most of the time. So does evading a tailing police car.
Other things like the _disapperance_ of said seat, the blood stains and, above all, his showing up to pick up his kids when it was not his turn (which also makes sense in a world of cold logic) told a different story, though. And, much as I hated to see one of the tribe (even though ReiserFS hates me and I hate it) being prosecuted, I was more and more convinced he was guilty.
I know where you are coming from, but trust me, 15 MONTHS in a prison feels like a long time . . . he won't be out in any less than 15 years as far as I understand. That's a long time. Why, that is so long that - from what I have heard - he probably won't want to leave when his day comes (isn't the thought of that scary?) if he lives that long being white in a California penitentiary that is.
He probably won't.
SARAVA!
fsck, they got me.
A good education is a bit like a STD - it makes you unsuitable for a lot of jobs and gives you a desire to spread it.
Maybe he was angry with her because she didnt like his filesystem.
Thank you. Yours was the single most insightful comment I've read in this entire discussion, and, in fact, one of the single most insightful I've ever read on Slashdot, period.
Chapeau!
I guess I'll be using the same version of my ReiserFS drivers for a while now... 15 years!
Maybe someone can send him a notebook in a sheet cake?
Ditto here. I would like to add that from my Slashdot-tainted perspective the whole story has centered way too much on whether he actually did it or not (I guessed he did), and whether technically speaking he should be convicted or not (I should think the body removes the reasonable doubt we had, no?), but leaves the lead up to the drama underreported. When I see a situation like this, I see a problem in society that may need fixing. But for that the motives of all parties considered need to be as well understood as possible. It appears that a justice system which is not primarily aimed at arriving at the truth of the matter, but rather at trying to convince some simple folk who will happily rely on their preconceptions (as documented in this case) doesn't help. What good is a 'right' conviction in helping to establish what went wrong if it was arrived at for the wrong reasons? Furthermore, I feel kind of sad for everyone involved.
from the article, "It just doesn't seem right to me that that can happen in America," Dunn said. "I thought the jury had the last say."
Juries are for deciding guilt, not sentencing. So for the decision of guilt, the jury did have the last say. He just bargained for a reduced sentence. And he may not even get that. He reduced "25 to life" to "15 to life". At the high end of both scales is "life". But before the deal, the minimum the judge could give him was 25 yrs. Now it's 15. Maybe he's hoping for a minimum sentence?
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
He gets 15 years for killing his wife? Yet, there are people who have been convicted for having dope that spend more than 20 years in prison.
I thought there were eleven people! One who divides everything into two, one who doesn't and one who confuses the binary people with Spinal Tap. It's one more!
I really wanted to believe that Hans was the 'misunderstood but innocent' computer nerd who was being screwed over by a conniving gold-digging Russian bride.
This latest news pretty well confirms that...
... all of which are really bad things.
Nina is actually dead and not just living in secret in Russia
The two children are now pretty much orphans (mummy actually dead, daddy in prison for ages)
Reiser, the computer nerd who many of us can identify with, is actually a murderer.
This has kind of "shaken my world" a little bit. I always used to associate 'computer nerd' with 'slightly socially inept but harmless and basically nice' and didn't mind being labeled so. Now this all seems to have changed?
+2, Interesting – wtf?!
Antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus ventosissimis exponebantur ad necem.
In the age of FOSS and GNU, how can one man's misbehavior doom a file format system?
This is the most depressing news I have heard so far today.
I think I might use a sick day.
How depressing.
Hans, you fool.
-Hack
Got Geometrodynamics? Awe, too hard to figure out? Too bad.
Yes.
...and no.
Now that he is locked up for a long, long time with nothing better to do... Just imagine the stuff he will code in the future.
And it will be MADE IN PRISON.
Now if that ain't hardcore - I don't know what is.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
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Well, heros are usually only good at the one thing they are touted for... im not asking kobe to fix my car for sure.
Michael Jordan might be able to fix it though...
He IS a robot from another galaxy after all... Or was it from the future?
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
...and ran across this:
Really, most of us have a lot more flaws than being secretive.... I do (but I keep them secret;-) ).
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=186827&cid=15414804
Yeah I realise I'm pulling a Faux News on him :P
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
as long as shes a kernel hacker
He's gonna have PLENTY of time to develop reiser4, 5 and maybe also 6th.
Okay, I get that the guy is, or well he was a programmer, but how exactly, does this qualify as news for nerds, or stuff that matters? Ok, it happened in california, where a good deal of nerds live, are you going to start covering other murders in cali? Or other crimes committed by software engineers? Was there some free-speech or free-software element of the case that i'm not seeing in the linked-to story? Or did he meet his wife in second life or WoW or something? Really, inform me, I don't get why this is on /.
But really, what a fool, if you're going to proclaim your innocence the whole time only to roll over the corpse once convicted to get 10 years off the (minimum) length of your sentence is just foolish, if he had continued to proclaim his innocence perhaps he could have gotten a new trial or an appeal to overturn the conviction, if he gets 15 years to /life/ does he really expect to be out in 15 years?
Basically? Not perfect, perhaps, but essentially correct? And most of the people here, who weren't in the courtroom to see and hear it all, and weren't part of the deliberations got it wrong? I'm shocked.
You know, when I first got whiff of this tale, I thought to myself... "Hans is teh ubergeek, he's a dick, not a murderer."
Then I heard some of his insane testimony and thought.. "Oh, man, this dude is messed up! I think it's possible he did do the deed."
Now, the body, led to by Hans with no messing about: he knew where it was.
That's guilt. Right there. Bummer. I always try to hold out some hope for the accused...but that's impossible when they point at the body and more or less are saying "here's where I buried her."
15-to-life versus 25-to-life. Doesn't matter, he'll still get the "life" part. And in the end, it's the kids (as always) that get hurt. Always.
Legally proven, Big Difference from us IT crowds, who like "mathematically proven", and think legal systems work with math. Ha!
Did you see how short the search times were? Amazing! /ObJoke
Three Step Plan:
1. Take over the world.
2. Get a lot of cookies.
3. Eat the cookies.
...to all the people whining about how Reiser was "wronged" during the trial and was innocent all along?
Finally, a successfull Reiser data recovery story.
Proof that lawyers aren't interested in "the truth" at all. They are just soul-less scumbags.
FTA:
John Fuery, who first represented Reiser in his divorce case which with Nina which began in 2004, said he thought that Reiser made "a mistake" by taking police to the spot where he apparently buried her.
Fuery said leading authorities to the location of a murder victim's body "proves your guilt and is hard to undo" in the future when a convicted murderer goes before a parole board to ask to be released from state prison.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
Sir_Lewk(967686) wrote:
No, your post was. Indicating that a person with severe polarization addiction would read "in most cases" as "always" was clever, but I fear that few people will get the joke.
...by the fact one of the tags is 'storage' and the ambiguity of that tag with this story?
Ungh
The fact that Hans' buddy admitted to murdering several other people, AND was having an affair with Nina, AND Nina was having affairs with who-knows how many other strangers, kinda complicates things. The evidence still points to Hans being the murderer, but it wasn't exactly a cut-and-dry case.
"What I wanted to illustrate is that there can be a very good reason for a lot of blood in your car"
We know, that point isn't being debated.
The point that was made, that you clearly missed, is that it is unusual and somewhat rare and generally has an explanation.
You only served to prove his point.
And he wasn't particularly articulate on the stand either, which, if you read the interviews with some jury members you'll see was a major factor in their decision.
And that's the main problem I find in this trial. ...during the trial the prosecution mainly showed that Hans was acting weird (whoa ! that comes as a shock for a file-system nerd...)
Ignoring the fact that now Hans has pointed the body and is very probably the killer for a rather strong value of "probably"...
and the jury most probably declared him guilty because he was looking strange and exasperated them with his lack of social skills.
In short :
he was (probably) a murderer, but got convicted for being a nerd.
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All I know is this is going to make a great movie. With numerous eighties montages of him coding while his wife is getting drilled by some football playing asshole.
How many more Hans Reiser's are there out there writing code by day, and murdering by night?
news for nerds? stuff that matters? this shouldn't be on slashdot. or any other news source for that matter. please stop contributing to the celebrity murder culture.
...for their continuing focus on anti-Linux-FUD to the extent that they completely obscured the facts of this story.
Show them how it's done, SFGate! This is the first time I've seen the Hans Reiser murder reported where it wasn't buried in speculation, hype, and hearsay, and the first time I've seen his name in print without "Linux developer" attached to the front of it, as if Linux itself was responsible.
Can I mod you +1, Flamebait?
Your mind is clear / The things that you fear / Will fade with how much you / Believe what you hear
It's been a recurring question of mine, because a lot of your jokes are not funny, especially when I'm trying to read content relative to the article instead of some douchebag's attempt at humour. Today's jokes are exceptionally pathetic.
I'd like to say that Reiser wasn't fooling anyone with his transparent drivel. Unfortunately, that's just not the case: he fooled a lot of people. There are probably some who will still claim that he's innocent.
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he was human. that is all. most of us, we just need a reason and opportunity.
You know, I can't claim to know everything about this case, but I think there's a fair chance that Hans really was the killer all along!
Bow-ties are cool.
I guess his wife told him she prefers XFS.. and so he had to bust a cap in her ass..
You thinking it was "weak" has no bearing on it's "strength", only on your ignorance. You were wrong, no matter how many times you try to imply otherwise.
His mistake was making it an obvious murder. If he had drugged her, killed her out in the national forest (or desert depending on your locale). Preferably across state lines, as added insurance since states don't usually work together well.
First off, pistols are for chumps, too traceable and loud. Use a cheap bowie knife or even better, just up the GHB dose so it kills her. If you do slit her throat, do it outdoors: don't want blood in your house or apartment now do you?
You bury her very deep, as in deeper than the standard six feet.
Then you clean out your trunk with bleach or ammonia (not both), eliminating DNA evidence, and drive home. Alibi? You were asleep.
Simply having a motive and no alibi is not enough to convict you of jack shit. Besides, how many people have an alibi when they were asleep?
I'd put money on him remarrying before he gets out, if he lives long enough in there. If anything he's more interesting now :P
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Considering that he murdered his wife, it is difficult to believe that Hans actually did all the physical and mental training required to really deserve a black belt. More likely it came from one of the schools or clubs that grants them based solely on physical techniques without the spiritual discipline behind it.
A black belt in a martial art has no real bearing on whether or not a person is able to use that art to really defend themselves. It only says that they have learned all the basic movements of that art, not whether they have any speed or power to utilize them in a combat situation. Many martial arts include board breaking as part of rank requirements, but that still really only means they performed the particular kick/strike properly in a controlled situation, not that they had sufficient power or capability to do it in an uncontrolled situation.
I misread the title as saying "Ninja" instead of "Nina's" I was sadly disappointed when I realized my error.
"To be is to do." --Socrates
"To do is to be." -- Aristotle
"Do-Be-Do-Be-Do..." --Sinatra
Reiser was convicted because he was (a) an asshole (b) not famous (c) not rich (d) white.
Yes, that justice system, always trying to keep the white man down.
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"False hope is why we'll never run out of natural resources!" - Lewis Black
He wasn't a murderer when it was written and named dumbass, it was named *before* he became a murderer by *years*.
Quite so. But the weaker minds around here can't seem to distinguish the code from the man...
you had me at #!
"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind." -- Mahatma Gandhi
I feel that your argument comes from a very 'eye of an eye' sort of moral position, and I don't feel that position is overall helpful for the human race.
Yes, Nina is dead now, and Hans is not. That is tragic, and Hans is directly responsible for that tragedy. But I feel the punishment should be based on a combination of rehabilitation and deterrence, not on trying to exact some kind of state mandated reciprocal vengeance on Hans.
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Did the double meaning of the tag "storage" strike anyone else as macabre?
Bill Gates or some other closed source proponent
Bill had his day in court, and it didn't turn out so well. Just a pity there was no appropriate penalty applied for the damage that @*&$^% has done civilisation. And you can bet Microshit has killed quite a few, not to mention the monopoly impairing the quality of life of hundreds of millions... the lies and corruption are damaging honest people daily (look at the POXML war alone)... with no end in sight...
you had me at #!
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you had me at #!
How do you know when you're a suspect?
Well, if the answer to the question, "Officer, am I free to go?" is something other than "yes", then you should seriously consider shutting the fuck up.
In your apartment building example, if it were me, I'd handle it thusly:
If I was not a victim, and I did not have any information that could help the police, I would just tell them who I was, where I live, and that I hadn't seen or heard anything out of the ordinary. If they still wanted to continue the conversation (doubtful they'd want to waste their time), I'd just say that "I have an appointment soon. Am I free to go?" If that doesn't end the conversation, then I invoke my right to counsel.
They don't grade fathers, but if your daughter's a stripper, you fucked up. --Chris Rock
To finish the though, I'm not sure why the DA chose to pursue 1st degree in this case to begin with. Circumstantial evidence makes for a hard case - proving intent with circumstantial evidence has got to be a nightmare.
In fact, reptilian. A little too "old fashioned" to fit comfortably in a modern framework of civilisation, apparently.
you had me at #!
Seems to me, I remember that she disappeared on a yacht trip with her husband, and her husband immediately hooked up with someone else. Doesn't seem to me that I remember him being charged with anything.
I've no plans to drop Reiser (still using v3 dern near everywhere) over something like this, but the serious question is this: What's going to happen to ReiserFS at this point? Would Hans have to turn over the copyright? Is there a precedent to be set here, take it out of his hands, whatever?
I use ReiserFS on a home machine, my wife's laptop, and a fileserver at work (with tail-packing ENABLED) and can't imagine doing without it. Anything comparable on the horizon?
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You know who I feel REALLY bad for? The FOSSies. This whole time they were saying he couldn't have done it, it was all a Microsoft plot, etc etc. And now...
Next thing you know, people are going to start saying that Linux will never be viable on the desktop. Oh, what horrors has the reality based world unleashed?
I'm not trying to flame, but I think thats why the black vs white thing played out in the OJ trial. Black people wanted him to be innocent whereas white people didn't have the same connection.
Fixed that to make it reflect reality.
He didn't get convicted because he was weird, or arrogant, or strange, or exasperating, knock that shit off please. He got convicted because there was real evidence which he failed to explain adequately, or even believably, or hell, even non-absurdly.
Meh.
I drive a Volkswagen, and have no problems sleeping at night despite the fact that VW was basically started at Hitler's orders, and was a big supplier to the Nazi war machine.
If anything, using ReiserFS means that the oxygen used by this douchebag isn't a total waste.
(That being said, I use ext2.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
What is so fucking difficult about spelling "led" correctly?
"If it's real, then it gets more interesting the closer you examine it. If it's not real, just the opposite is true." -
But everyone here on Slashdot said he was innocent! He was only convicted because the jury was prejudiced against geeks! There was insufficient evidence to convict! So how can he have led anyone to the body?
I'll be waiting for his book on how he would have done it if he had really done it.
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
Yes and many people have this attitude; until it's one of their own loved ones. I'm not saying you're one of those people, but most people would have a change of heart when it's one of their own loved ones murdered.
Unfortunately we live in a soundbite nation....
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it is far more nuanced than they simply didn't like him. More correctly they didn't find the whole of his testimony believable. Likely because it was a lie.
I've been on a San Francisco criminal jury, and there is no way you would find 12 people in this area where all 12 would convict of murder simply because "they didn't like the guy". These jurors live here, they all personally know plenty of asocial people, they probably like some of them even.
A 15 year deal just to disclose the location of the body???
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Man, you really believe in the martial-arts woowoo, don't you?
Here's a hint, kiddo: breaking boards isn't a mystical thing, and no amount of martial arts training makes you into an ethical superman.
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GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
PLEASE think of the children?
Oh wait, it actually fits in this case
That's true. But one of the very useful purposes of government is moderating people's desire for vengeance and solving problems with violence.
I would hope that if I were ever to find myself in that position I would remember my principles and keep true to my ideals. But I might well abandon them in the grip of the powerful emotions I would likely experience.
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Will Hans now be advertising in the back of 2600 magazine?
I'll have to agree to disagree with that. The Government's job is justice and certain extreme crimes justify extreme punishments.
Guess we know which category you're in..
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Murder is a capital offense in California, which means, he could have received a death sentence for killing his wife like Scott Peterson.
So you're suggesting this was merely a management issue? Total Quality Management or somesuch?
I was born not knowing and have had only a little time to change that here and there. -- Richard Feynman
At least he'll have plenty of time to finish reiser 4 now.
Do anything, anywhere, anytime.
If that were true, with all the crap that's been done to me over the years... well, suffice it to say that I am incapable of murder.
Besides, death would be too good for some people. Why put THEM out of THEIR misery? Why not do something far worse -- allow them to live? See all of the advantages:
See, I like my plan much better. Death is NOT a gift I would want to give to my enemies!
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How long has the table in the Wikipedia article had a "Murders your wife" column? I can't see that lasting too long..
Funny though :D
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley
Drunken surfing...I totally missed the "This is an old revision of this page"..
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley
This is not an extreme crime. Killing 50 hookers over a span of 10 years is an extreme crime. Shooting people randomly with a sniper rifle is also pretty extreme.
Killing your ex-wife in rage during an argument when she's also had an affair and embezzled from you is not that extreme. It, in fact, is sadly all too common a scenario (though the having an affair and embezzling bits are details that change from case to case). It is definitely criminal, and definitely deserves punishment. But reacting as if it's the most horrible thing in the world isn't particularly realistic.
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He was protecting the NTFS from an upstart. If RFS had taken over, Linux would have won and Windows would have been dead.
I don't have time to read 1350 comments, but here are some details which are not yet public, from a source inside the oakland police department.
The body was cut up into pieces, and taken to the grave in 3 duffel bags.
He killed her by first punching her, then strangling her.
Just thought that might be interesting.
There was no reason whatsoever to believe he was guilty. It was all speculative garbage and not even slightly suspicious. This confession is the first indication of his guilt.
They obtained a conviction with no body, no weapon, and no motive. That is an undeniable fact. Lie to yourself all you like, I see right through it.
Just keep telling yourself all those lies, and don't be surprised when you're the one convicted of murder without a shred of real evidence.
An intelligent, well-reasoned response from a Slashdot poster?!?
What ever next!
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Actually, OJ was not proven guilty, and is thus innocent. Perhaps that was a case of "We can't believe he's innocent because he isn't one of 'us'".
Lies about crimes
Unwillingness to hurt/kill is one of the first obstacles that someone must overcome to be a survivor. Admittedly, shooting one's wife in the heat of passion does not make one a cold-blooded killer. But if he's in decent shape, keeps his mouth shut, shows racial solidarity, and hurts a few people bad enough (I don't care what people say - most real fights are over in about five seconds, and if you know what you're doing, you get in the first shot at the slightest hint of aggression), he'll be fine.
Of course, this is Hans Reiser (aka "Mr. I'm Smarter, Better, and Slicker Than Anyone Else") we're talking about.
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So she went to prison for lying to them. To me, that is insane.
No, she went to prison because some prosecutor made a name for himself by 'taking down' Martha Stewart. Lying was just the hook.
See, it's not insane, it's just evil. Feel better now?
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I mean holy shit how can we tolerate this in our prisons and act like it's not an 8th Amendment violation if we just let the prisoners do it to each other...
Agreed, it's abhorrent. But watch as I suggest separate prison facilities for gay prisoners, the tsunami of 'homophobic' comments that follow.
I don't care, though, when you lock up criminally insane* homosexuals or bisexuals with members of the same sex it's no different than locking up a criminally insane man with a woman, and this would not be tolerated. To be perfectly clear: Prison is the punishment. Getting fucked in the ass is only something that should happen consensually.
* I define those who commit violent crimes as insane, whether the State says so or not
Oh, and while we're at it, can we stop compounding this problem by giving weight training programs to the inmates so that the hardest criminals are always the physically strongest? JHFC.
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Contraception was generally forbidden as it would interfere with Gods plan of procreation. Only He should decide whether or not to bless a couple with children. In the eyes of catholicism, contraception is somewhat of a sin.
Gosh, I hate how God is so dim so as to have not thought that giving us brains would lead to contraception. Oh, wait, he's omniscient.
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Someone actually modded UP a post saying don't be hard on a man who murdered his wife... because of a bitter divorce?
THIS got modded up?
Did anyone, like, notice this madness?
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Absolutely go to town on a murderer.
Let future potential murderers take pause and consider what could happen to them if they cross that line.
It is a proven fact that people are getting WAY out of control these days because we don't hammer down on their butts.
Three hots and a cot for Hans Reiser? WTF? Forget that, put him in a chain gang in the hot sun. And that punishment hasn't even begun to fit the crime - considering it's much more humane than the punishment meted out by him to his wife!
Those of you who disagree with me - which of you has lost a loved one to murder? Please, I dare you, tell me you don't want that animal's head on a stick.
He murdered his wife in cold blood and a bunch of Slashdotters who have never suffered anything more than 500 gigs of lost porn, want to talk about cruel and unusual punishment?
To hell with political correctness. I say bring back public executions. Make a game show out of it. Let's show criminals that if you kill someone in cold blood, you will go down. Painfully. Let's see, who do you know wants to die in screaming agony? I didn't think so.
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There are multiple axes?
They found the murder weapons, too?!
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While some divorces or separations are understandably less amicable than others, am I the only one wondering how this one ended in murder. Now I don't really want to see it is a book by Hans entitled "My Story" or an ABC special, but I'd like to know how this whole thing ended in a murder (a few pages of summary would be fine for me). Is Hans just that out-of-control? Was it a crime of passion? Was it premeditated?
The common opinion is that Hans is a smart guy, but arrogant. How did those two play into it, and what led up to the fatal end. Maybe knowing that could avoid a similar situation in the future.
No, there are people who divide everything into two, and those who are right :-)
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Under a lot of the "old ways", the punishment for killing was death. Some of these were somewhat inclusive of torture, as they were rather painful ways to die. In many cases, though - other than the unavoidably unpleasant expectation of the end - the pain itself was rather brief. Beheading/guillotine, sepuku (doesn't look pleasant, but if done right should be quick), poison, execution by firing squad, etc, are they more or less humane than 20+ years in prison, to be released into a world where you have no place and a record that almost guarantees unemployment or future criminal activities?
However, in avoidance of sentencing innocents, even those on death row have a very lengthy wait. It takes up space, it takes up time, and it takes up money. It even gives some - up until before the end - the chance to come to terms with what they've done and possibly change themselves... just in time for it all to end anyhow.
So who is being tortured there?
As for those that administer the execution, in many it depends on mindset. How about the cops that deal with child-abuse cases? Yes, it's a terrible job, and no doubt damaging, but if they put an abuser away and possibly save others from a similar fate, isn't there also a sense of justice and personal satisfaction? How different would it be for an executioner. How about those in the military, do they think of themselves as "killers" or "defenders of freedom?" Is there a huge line between enemy combatants and convicted criminals (other than that the enemy is trying to kill you or your friends, and the criminal is killing or killed others)?
Just some food for thought, at any rate. I'm rather torn on the issue myself, as I believe that there are some people (serial rapists/child-abusers/etc) that have no place in this world, but there are others who might end up on the row undeservingly.
to make him compensate the victim (when possible, which it isn't in this case)
There are many victims in a murder case. Nina was one, but anyone who knew and cared for her is also a victim of a crime such as this, especially her family and children.
While nothing can replace her, how about having murderers - rather than just being locked up - do work with the proceeds/pay going towards restitution/relief for the victims?
If somebody is put in a situation where they fear for their personal safety (or that of their offspring, etc), then it may be somewhat of a valid defense.
From what I can tell, this doesn't apply in this case.
Stop right there. There is no such thing as "making X kill Y"
Self-defense is about the only valid reason (and defense of another, in some cases). Neither of those seem to apply here, though.
There are sometimes excuses for killing. There are none for murder.
How about the murderer get some understanding?
As in, "Understand this, dickhead... murder your wife in cold blood and we will start chopping shit off until you're dead."
This isn't about emotions or rationality - it is about deterrence. In fact, what you're trying to sell here, smells a lot like feel-goodism, and not anything close to tried and true reality.
If you want rationality as you define it, then I suggest you start pushing for Maori justice.
Huh?
You know, there are many, many atrocities committed in this world. The Bush Administration is responsible for the needless deaths of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, and this was due to open malice and intentional circumvention of the law, and lying to congress and the US people. Hans is responsible for the death of one person, and it would appear to me to be a "crime of passion".
If you feel so incensed as to "chopping s*it off until you're dead" for just one murder, how do you feel about Bush and Cheney, whom are responsible for the needless deaths of many of our kids over resource disputes? Do you feel the same, if not greater anger? Why not?
This is not about "feel-goodism", whatever that's supposed to mean. There is no excuse for what Hans did. There is also no excuse for that poor 16-year-old boy, a Canadian citizen, who has spent at least a year in Guantumano(sp) Bay, being tortured by your nice friendly good ole' US of A.
If you have any understanding about "crimes of passion", you know deterrence is a joke. In general, doing nasty things to people for doing nasty things has never worked as "deterrence", even back in the days they would chop off your hand for stealing a loaf of bread.
Oh, but maybe it'll work today when it has failed for centuries. Hmmm. Maybe I'm just being too rational. Or maybe I lack Faith. Or maybe I am missing the boat entirely. Help me out here.
But in my estimation, responding to clulessness with clulessness never got anyone anywhere. If we don't bother trying to understand, we might as well fully resort to the practices of our progenitors -- and eye for an eye, go forth with the pitchforks, let's have some more witchhunt trials. Or perhaps some Inquisitions. Hell, let's just chop up and slaughter everyone that does not measure up.
Or perhaps we should finally begin to see a thing for what a thing really is.
As far as Maori justice systems, it seems good in principle and I would be all for it, but I think it too will suffer from some of the same problems the current injustice system has unless one addresses the entire process of the determination of guilt or innocence, which is quite the joke right now.
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