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Mandrake Linux 9.1 (Bamboo) Is Available!
Not to load you up with Mandrake, but joestar writes "Mandrake Linux 9.1 (Bamboo) is now officially available at a number of FTP mirrors. This version appears to be a key release for MandrakeSoft and includes many new features such as a new simplified installation procedure, ZeroConf network support, Wi-Fi support, NTFS partition resizing and a brand-new... MandrakeGalaxy theme. It's very beautiful and the whole thing has apparently very few bugs, which is a good news. A full presentation is available at Mandrake's website, download is available from their FTP page as usual. As I see it, it's certainly the most important Mandrake release since version 7.0..." Update: 03/25 21:44 GMT by T : And if you like the distro, you can do both yourself and Mandrake a favor by ordering box sets straight from them, or joining Mandrake's Club.
'available' might be stretching things a bit.
"Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus."
Release Candidate 2 is being served from most of these servers.
I would encourage you all to buy the CD Set to support continuing development of this distrobution. Mandrake have been having problems recently, and every purchase counts :)
I've already sucked it down from the German mirror (no longer listed on Mandrake's site) and I'm burning the 3rd disk and starting a test install shortly... w00t!
perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5, (41*2), sqrt(7056), (unpack(c,H)-2), oct(115), 10)'
The last one was talking about a review with "The release just around the corner". This one is announcing the actual release.
2 different stories.
...and I know this because the real Miguel is two doors down from me, and I know his real Slashdot ID.
--Nathaniel Friedman
CEO, Ximian Inc.
Can I have some more?
Some lucky people already got it. I am unfortuanelly victim to the dreaded "421 too many users" message. Anyone with a high speed connection that can mirror this?
and by high speed I mean more than a t-1 cuz it's gonna get saturated.
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I've always appreciated Mandrake Linux (I'm using it now.)
Having used both rc1, and rc2, let me be the first to say that I am impressed with this release, and it is well worth the money to support them.
Despite the fact that Mandrake is in financial trouble, it is reassuring to know that they still are producing.
I would suggest that everyone who wants to see Linux take over the desktop market seriously consider supporting these as well as other distributions, whether by opening your minds or your wallets.
$5 / month hosted VPS on linux = awesome!
Is this a GPL'd feature? Last I checked, the linux-NTFS project was unable to resize an NTFS partition.
There is no reasonable defense against an idiot with an agenda
:wq
Amazing! It is based off of a future kernel!
if this distro will be popular in Singapore.
Duval was interviewed today at Tweakhound.com about this new release and other MandrakeSoft projects:e rview.htm
http://www.tweakhound.com/mdk9/articles/mdk9_1int
What do you see as Mandrake's advantage over other Linux distributions?
Firstly Mandrake is certainly one of the most innovative Linux distribution. It also offers unique features such as supermount or the dynamic-device desktop. The hardware support is also one of the best available on the Linux distribution market so far. Internationalization is also a key-point because only 40% of our users speak English.
Worth a read!
it's not like it's a new release of Debian. Now THAT'S something to get excited about!
I can't get to the servers. Does anyone know if they're still using the 700 mb ISOs? My ghetto CD burner chokes after about 670mb.
The last one was talking about a review with "The release just around the corner". This one is announcing the actual release.
I believe the initial "dupe" claim, was for the dupe that is "just around the corner".
This is a really strange statement. How can you know that there are few bugs when it has just been released? Of course the people who made it wouldn't have released it if they knew there were a lot of bugs, but making the connection to few bugs is... well unfounded. For a system like Debian woody with a 2.2 kernel you can probably safely talk about very few bugs, since it's been out and about and tested for very long.
why are you reading about Mandrake then? its a KDE-bias distro... nothing for you to see here :^)
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This song!
(just kidding)
Get off my launchpad!
I have mandrake 9 on my laptop and am very happy with it...however, being not a linux guru at all (which, in itself is testimony to how good mandrake is), upgrading versions very much concerns me. Can anyone comment on what kind of issues I can expect to experience during an upgrade from 9 to 9.1 (just general issues like is it a full reinstall, will it blow away data etc)
Mandrake put up a release notice on their site over 2.5 hours ago, and the mirrors list has been dynamically updated as access and load changed. The German mirror (ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de) is no longer listed and accepting connections, however I was able to pull the three disks down at about 360 kB/s average. ftp://linux.ups-tlse.fr/Mandrake/iso/ was also fairly rapid, but was overloaded before the Esslingen server was.
There are currently no North American servers listed for the i586 ISOs, many still carry the RC images however.
perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5, (41*2), sqrt(7056), (unpack(c,H)-2), oct(115), 10)'
- Better auto-configuration at installation. It was able to detect everything perfectly -- down to model number. This is a definite change from 9.0 in which I had to configure my printer, scanner, and sound card.
- It's a much cleaner look. Blame it on the widgets, but it is a much better look and something that will definitely help it as it matures.
- Better support for my GeForce4. I was unable to get any decent gameplay under 9.0, but in 9.1 it runs great, divx plays smooth, and I'm once again happy.
- Easy installation. This is a non-issue for most of us, but I am now able to recommend my grandmother to install this on her own. It really is that simple.
These are the first things I can think of, I've had it running for a total of 12 minutes (and I'm already back on slashdot!) so there may be some other issues I've yet to come across.!--Note, I read the earlier review at OSnews and our good friend Eugenia was discussing an issue in which it didn't detect the right sound card (it found the Audigy instead of emu10k), well, I have the same card as her, and it found it fine and it sounds great. --!
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That I am very glad I get that 20 minutes warning with my subscription.
I got most of the download done before the slashdot crowd reduced by speed considerably.
~ kjrose
Its linux...how about just getting your updates elsewhere like plf or sourceforge or the author of whatever software you want to update?
Since when are you locked into your vendor?
"I'm not a procrastinator, I'm temporally challenged"
As per usual, Mandrake has completely ignored the Gnome specs for menu layout, and have a completely non-standard menu system. All I can say is Ick, I'll wait 5 more days for RH 9 thanks. :(
9.0 release already if I remember correctly.
Had a lot of user requests, and listened.
Let's face it, all the distros currently aimed at desktop users are K-centric. Red Hat still plays down the importance of the desktop market and, umm, their tax monies may end up supporting America's rather peculiar foreign excursions that could be characterized as less than constructive. Would there be social demand for a new distro that concentrates on the G-experience in Mandrake style but with compatibility with the popular "plain Red Hat rpms"?
Should invading one's peaceful neighbours be opposed, or rewarded with trade deals?
Actually, the Mandrake website says the new version supports "Re-sizing of Windows FAT partitions" but that NTFS support is strictly read-only, which sucks. You got my hopes up there for a while.
barzelay.net
Is there really a reason for the code names like Bamboo? I mean, you can refer to it as "Mandrake 9.1"? If you're working on the next version...you can refer to it as Mandrake 9.2!
Advice: on VPS providers
I thought they were going to limit the release to Mandrake Club subscribers to start with, and only make FTP access available much later. What happened to that idea?
Mandrake is a 100% GPL'd distro, not unlike Debian, so it will still be there if they fold. Also, The userbase is very large and they have a !very! active community. I suspect that even if the company folds "Mandrake the distro" will continue to thrive. I can see it becoming a sort of user-friendly Debian.
Anyone on I2 can get them from here:
http://mandrake.dsi.internet2.edu/
I'm currently grabbing all 3 ISO's at 350k/sec.
Im glad to see a linux distributor hyping the zeroconf protocol. It has always seemed to be a perfect match for me. here is an underlying protocol that when coupled with a _good_ gui install makes a very compelling product from an ease of use standpoint (let alone cost). Having Apple as a cheerleader will help as well, and already compaines like HP and TIVO are including zeroconf support. Imagine it, TIVO could work easier on a linux box than a comprable PC....Just a possibility. Another possibility that I hardly dare mention was a rumor that people (Apple) were working on local ZeroConf networks that offloaded intensive tasks to idle processors - Rendezvous/ZeroConf may a long (paradigm breaking) life ahead of it, its up to the imagination of the developers.
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I literally just downloaded, burned and installed an RC of this yesterday.
Join Mandrake Club. You'll be able to download things faster, too.
The great advantage of having a reputation for being stupid: People are less suspicious of you.
I have a PC at home that I don't use. If I installed Mandrake 9.1 and attached a printer to it, would my PowerBook see it using Rendezvous and be able to print to it? How would I set this up on the Mandrake side?
"The objective of securing the safety of Americans from crime and terror has been achieved." -- John Ashcroft
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And to not purchase it, you are stabbing one of the major Linux distro makers in the back. Mandrake has absolutely NO control over the actions of the government, just as I have no control over my government. I voted for the Alliance party, but they didn't get in because of the other people in my country... Mandrake has nothing to do with politics, and to draw that relationship is very immature and stupid.
Don't forget nanardon's site. For you who want additional media's added to urpmi , not supported , ....
java , plf , contrib ,
urpmiweb
-beer
Now that we've got them distracted with the shiny MDK, I can finally get Slackware 9!
Then where will you be? Whining that RedHat doesn't offer free downloads. Sheeesh...
I use Slackware and I support em! They don't even sell CDs, but I think they do good work and I want them to stay around, so... Otherwise, I'll end up whining that RedHat (Or SuSE, or whomever) doesn't offer free downloads any longer.
It's not expensive and it's worthwhile.
Computer Science is Applied Philosophy
Can someone please tell me they've improved upon the fonts? I can't tell from the screenshots and I won't have time to install it for a few days, but the default fonts for 9.0 are terrible. The default fonts on Red Hat are wonderful. Is RedHat using proprietary fonts? I'd like to know why Mandrake is behind in an area that is *very* important to the desktop user.
Inovative my foot! That's like our friends in Redmond claiming they inovate and after working there they I found they couldn't inovate their way out of a paper bag!
That said what Mandrake offers that others do not is user support. Mandrakeuser.org and Mandrake Forum, now Mandrake Club, as well as free software updates leave SUSE and Redhat behind. That's what sets them appart, their user community is tightly coupled to the company. I feel like I'm dealing with MS with the other two.
I messed around with Mandrake 9.1 RC1 a few days ago, but it wasn't able to compile the NVidia drivers with the rpm --rebuild command. Something about the compiler version being used to build the kernel being different from that shipped with RC1? Has anyone had any success rebuiling the NVidia driver RPM on the actual release version of Mandrake 9.1?
No no no, isn't that "Freedom company?" Like "Fredom Fries" and "Freedom Toast?"
I'll tell ya, we sure have some stupid congressmen in our country.
and the mirrors are all slashdotted to hell.
Black and grey are both shades of white.
Wow, Mandrake 9.1 seems to be from The Mysterious Future since according to their website they included a 2.4.21 kernel and according to kernel.org, the latest version is 2.4.20. Quite impressive, definately a distribution that's on the bleeding edge.
Things you think are in the Constitution, but are not.
I dunno if anybody else noticed that on the presnetation it states:
Kernel 2.4.21
but kernel.org has the latest stable version 2.4.20
Is this just a typo or they have released a "stable" release using an untested kernel???
The greatest thing about Mandrake 9.X is that it completely eliminates dependency issues... rpms are easy to install for those that don't wish to compile from source.
I've been running a cooker version of 9.X for many months and even that is surprisingly stable.
This is the kind of OS package worth paying for!
"the Muslims"? I just hope that was badly worded sentence and not a reflection of your real views. Believe it or not, not all Muslims are terrorists.
according to Jean-Michel Dault:
true
what is the matrix?
i'm sharing this one right now on edonkey. At least i think i am...they're sitting in my mldonkey/incoming ...
Who is this Anonymous Coward character, how does he post so much, and why is he always such a whore?
One of the things that look promising is that Mandrake is now really using bugzilla (qa.mandrakesoft.com), you can get an account and help and they can track QA issues much more easily.
My only concern with Mandrake is how they can make a profit. I was hoping they would release the ISOs a few days after making them available in Mandrake Club (kind of what Redhat is doing with the next release). This would give people one more reason to be in the club. Also, the ISOs should be made public right after they are available to be purchased from MandrakeStore IMHO. Oh, and it would probably be a good idea to enforce trademark, so that cheap CD sites can't sell "Mandrake 9.1" (I think RedHat does this). In fact, if Mandrake made the "download version" (just the CD's) available cheap and early, I guess many people would guy the CDs on the mail instead of going through the hassle of downloading and burning.
In general, and I really don't mean to be mean, Mandrake should probably borrow a few ideas from Red Hat in the business camp. Otherwise they are doing great and improving :-)
So are the gnome or kde people going to start jumping up and down about the common Galaxy theme? ;-)
I've experiments to run, there is research to be done on the people who are still alive.
mommy, mommy, funny man makes me laugh!
Machine9dotNet
Can we use it if we call it Freedom Linux?
Now where did I put my French Coke? I'd like to finish enjoying my French hamburger.
I remember that one of my friends once offered the services of his ISP to provide free downloads. The next month he received a very large bill. Remember when you download these "free" ISOs that there is a cost for the ftp sites that provide the ISOs for free to everyone. It can actually get to be very very expensive to provide free ISOs ($7-10 per download). Also, remember that there were costs in testing and developing the distribution, and that whenever you download an ISO for free you are taking advantage of the resources that were put towards the quality distribution that you will experience.
:)
Mandrake is a fine company that really really needs our support right now. Whether you can help by lending them some of your time to fix bugs, or by providing software to make their distribution better, or (like most non-developers) by purchasing their distribution, I strongly encourage everyone who uses Mandrake to do their part.
(I use Slackware, but bought a copy of Mandrake for my brother a while ago because he uses Mandrake.)
An easy and cheap way that you can reduce your impact on ftp sites and also help to share the costs of distribution is to download the ISO from a P2P network (just check the md5sum against the official one from the ftp site when you're done), and/or set yourself up as a P2P mirror so that a few people can download the ISO from you. This is the best use of P2P that I can think of (much better than providing illegal copies of copyrighted music or movies). Another way you can help is to burn some CDs for your windows-using friends so they can try it out!
If you were working on a project, for 6 months, you wouldn't want to call it $Company+$SnazzyProjName+$CurrVersion every time. Call it something short and sweet.
Besides...if iwas a programmer, i'd like to use cool names. like bamboo and bluebird. it's not like intel doesn't do it, or microsoft. makes it personal...I'd put personal care into a project called "dolphin," but maybe not so much into "8.2" .
Who is this Anonymous Coward character, how does he post so much, and why is he always such a whore?
If you can't find a mirror that hasn't been slashdotted, try these links -
4 22 4|7422d9374a1bd9187254de638f47c7d3|| Mandrake91-cd2-ext.i586.iso|681279488 |9bc5687f06ecf26e1f767623dc8f6421|M andrake91-cd3-i18n.i586.iso|68157440 0|82530029d63b3624020fcc40aa9ad625|
ed2k://|file|Mandrake91-cd1-inst.i586.iso|68216
ed2k://|file
ed2k://|file|
and unlike ftp links, the more people that use these, the better.
The RC3 images are dated 3-24-2003, are these identical to the release like with some older mandrake versions? Can you post the md5sums for the release images so we can see if the RC3 images are the same?
Thanks
Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see. - Mark Twain
I guess that Mandrake releasing a "nine" version is possibly the reason why RedHat is releasing a "nine" version too... to catch up in the eyes of the users. Or maybe a marketing ploy to get more subscriptions because users always want the latest version (more urgently if it is an X.0 release).
It's similar to what happened with Netscape 6... it was released as MS Internet Explorer 6 was released, although there was never a Netscape 5. (Although the UserAgents show otherwise).
Personally, I like the simplicity/consistency that RedHatt brings, but the complexity is there if I need it. It's a shame CHAP doesn't work for me on RedHat 8.0, even when CHAP secrets is setup properly.
Are the days of RedHat point releases gone? I had it embedded in my mind that the X.0 release was a little buggy, but by the time it reached X.2 or X.3 it was nice and stable.
Mandrake is a French product. To purchase it means to stand up for the international diplomacy, national sovereignty, and the rule of law.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
Against my better judgement here replying to this but oh well...I bit. Shame on me.(I'm a Canuck living in Britian)
:|) :)
1. Quebec independence? (good riddance)
I fail to see why this would have any bearing so I will skip it.
2. The cancellation of all Alliance-Atlantis krap television productions?
See 1(this one just confused me
3. The tanking of that *Monopoly* currency of yours?
Canada Euro.
Incase you are unable to read the charts....thats the US dollar going down.
4. U.S. adoption of le Metric system?
Maybe 2 decades later once everyone there has gotten use to it.
5. The U.S. normalizing relations with Castro?
No way, think of the job losses on the Canadian side of Niagra Falls if americans could legally buy Cubian cigars!
6. The U.S. paying off its obligations in the Treaty of Paris to all the descendents of the disenfranchised Loyalists (then again, we should charge you'all for the Restoration on the White House since your forces torched it in the War of 1812)?
Twas nothing but a mear touchup a bit of paint here and there.
7. Americans beginning every sentence with "eh"? (much like the British start off everything with "right").
Canadians FINISH every sentence with "eh", and the British only start every 2nd and 5th statements with "right"(assuming a loop of 8 statements)
8. Americans actually bothering to find Canada on a map (why should we?)?
Well if you can't find Canada on a map you have bigger things to worry about then when we will surrender to you. It is quite large after all.
9. The U.S. dropping the prohibition on accepting titles from the British Monarchy (I'd cheer that actually)?
We have somewhat the same problem to the north.
9. Americans no longer mocking that "sport" you call curdling (isn't that what cheese does?)?
If it was called curdling you would be right, thats what cheese does, however it's called curling. It's about as much a sport as Nascar racing.
10. Martin Short for President?
You really don't get out much do you?
> our Canadian neighbors/cousins aren't helping us out any.
Well, they might not be helping YOU and all the other attachments of W's derriere, but they're certainly helping the rest of those Americans that stay as far as possible from said derriere.
You're right. Drake doesn't offer anything to paying people at all.
Except for, well... professional support that's not all condescending if you don't copy-paste lsmod and lspci in all your questions... and non-slashdotted servers with which you can download the files so it doesn't grind to a halt like the one I'm downloading off of (I think I broke 4 kB/s... Woohoo!)
Nope. Nothing useful at all.
Or, heh... you know... maybe people could choose to support a company because they're not all proprietary and demand that you pay for their product, thus making people that want to use it for free criminals... But no, that would be stupid and naieve. I mean, think of all the pr0n sites you could visit with that whole $40/year.
People like you are why I feel ashamed of the world today.
Karma: Non-Heinous
I only wish it wouls support me. I've purchased ~10 distros, dating back to SuSE 6.1, RedHat 6.3, Mandrake 7.1, 8.0, 8.2, just to name a few.
Everytime I run into trouble I get the same response: "RTFM"
Well I *did* RTFM and the FM didn't help, this is why I was posting to your Linux forum!
I have yet to see an install of the aforementioned distros install successfully (and by that I mean see all my hardware) on any machine I care to throw at it. BeOS however (and MS, but that goes without saying) sees the hardware just fine.
I want to like Linux, I really do, but all I ever see from them is copying/playing catchup to MS.
Maybe this distro will be a different experience for me, but I kind of doubt it.
So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds.
I'd like to know why Mandrake is behind in an area that is *very* important to the desktop user.
...
Make that "was" instead of "is". And it was only Redhat that was ahead (really), the proprietary distros (Lindows etc) apparently just licensed the Apple patent, which shouldn't bother you if you are not in the US, since you could just get a better freetype from the PLF.
But that is no longer the case, fonts on 9.1 rock, although it might have been nice to be able to include freetype2.1.4
If you're not familiar with BitTorrent, it takes a large file (typically CD-size) chunks it up into ~1MB pieces, and client/peers who want the file either get chunks from the server or get pointed to other clients who already have them, and after receiving chunks correctly, make them available for other client/peers to download. The server keeps track of who's got what, manages its outgoing rates to something it can handle, and does some optimization to make sure all the chunks are getting handed out widely and efficiently, and either the client or server (I don't remember which, probably the server) does some anti-leech scheduling so that clients basically end up receiving at about the rate they're letting other people download from them if there's demand.
One big difference between BitTorrent and the eDonkey/Kazaa/etc. P2P systems is that it's designed on a per-file basis - anybody who wants to export a given file can be a server for that file, and the client/peer process only exports files that it's actively connected to (either still downloading or being friendly and letting other people download after it's done), rather than exporting everything in your file-sharing directory.
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
pardon *moi* on Number 7... the boss walked by and I typed that with much haste... Regarding your reply on Number 5, Canada is known to sell Dominican cigars mistakenly labeled with a Cuban origin. See certain Seinfeld episode on the subject... As for Number 9, when has there ever been a prohibition on Canadians from receiving a title such as "Sir" or "Lord" from the Queen? Your country is a Commonwealth member, afterall... I see that I misnumbered some, again, due to boss implications... I concede the Nascar reference, although it should be noted that Nascar is the official *sport* of the sometimes unruly wholly owned yet autonomous subsidiary of the United States also known as "The South"...
"Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
I know a Slashdot subscription isn't a lot of money, but what are you really getting? You need something to fill your life up with if you download a new distro release the second it's posted on here, and pay for that privilege.
It's rare that you're presented with a knob whose only two positions are Make History and Flee Your Glorious Destiny.
Ah, knee-jerk *liberalism* at its best... I s'pose you believe this war is for oil too (instead of a proxi-war fought on behalf of the State of Israel)... Oh yes, its an *illegal war* because the UN Security Council didn't mandate it...because we all know the UN is made up of such noble champions of human rights and freedom like the People's *Republic* of China and Russia... Just because you have the freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to have a monopoly on stupidity...
"Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
I don't think it's so much a case of liking free-loading as not liking having to shell out lots of cash for software that is poorly written (you know what I'm talking about). Mandrake 9.1 however, is a well done distro - I've been using it since RC1. I can safely say really wouldn't mind paying for it and have just joined the Mandrake Club, since I think these guys have EARNED my support.
Find a job you like and you will never work a day in your life.
right now, probably all the non-club guys are getting screwed on the mirrors. Club members are downloading from their nicely reserved mirrors (should be fast...but i'm not in the club, i got it yesterday morning as RC3). Who would you rather be a part of?
Me...i just like being good.
Who is this Anonymous Coward character, how does he post so much, and why is he always such a whore?
By absolutely refusing to budge on your position and to say "I will not even read their proposal?" That is your idea of diplomacy?
>>>>>>>>>
No, by respecting the UN and allowing the process to work.
By selling outlawed weapons to an evil dictator?
>>>>>>>>>>
What country do you think propped up dictators (included Saddam) all through the Cold War? Hint: it wasn't France. Who do you think trained the people who would eventually become the Taliban? Again, not France. It was the US.
By interceding(sic) in the Ivory Coast when no one asked them to? I don't recall UN approval of that action. Where is the diplomacy there?
>>>>>>>
France sent peacekeeping troops to the Ivory coast because there are a whole bunch of French citizens living there.
Look, the point isn't whether France is great (it isn't, every country pretty much sucks donkey balls) or whether you even agree with what France's stance on the war is. The point is whether you can relate to their decision in a mature way without doing stupid stuff like renaming fast food.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
its nice to see that the linucies are taking the look and feel thing seriously. This release looks great, no Aqua, but better than XP. And its not just KDE 3.whatever or Gnome 2, cause there are some hideous looking themes for both. its nice to see that the default environment, the one that most users never change, looks good. its also nice to know that at any time i can do whatever i feel like with it, which i cant do (easily) in OSX.
I want 2D games back.
It manages your man pages, duh
heh
//FIXME: Bad
Magical is having it work out-the-box, which all the boxed sets have done since about 8.1.
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First boot you will see the NVidia logo as X starts.
Even easier than having to actually *download* a driver, like in windows
Guess I shuold also get around to updating http://ranger.dnsalias.com/nvidia_me for 9.1
Gnome2 was rebuilt from cooker/9.0 for 8.2 a while back. It was available in the MandrakeClub at the time, but may be available in the MandrakeClub directory under unsupported on the Mandrake-devel mirrors.
... as the people running Tex's freetype2 on 9.0 found out ...
There would be more complications with Gnome2.2 for 9.0, since AFAIK 2.2. requires fontconfig, which can (via Xft1/Xft2 etc) break fonts in some ways in OpenOffice.org
For one thing, Germany is not France, and two wrongs don't make a right. This isn't about politics, it's about a fucking Linux distro.
For another thing, Mandrake can do what they want with their product. It's pretty sad that you want to be a freeloading bastard with no respect to the people who worked to produce the software that YOU use. Your post raised only the point that people are cheap, pathetic, and ungrateful. Congratulations.
Wait a minute... Things aren't right here. I thought the formula was fail miserably, give up, pout, and sue someone. Not(gasp)suck it up, improve your product so that even Her Pickiness, Eugenia likes it and keep giving back to the community. This makes no sense at all. Good job Mandrake.
This guy is way out there
Yes, a few people are doing that. Big deal, it's not serious. It's the same mentality that's causing 'freedom fries', but in reverse. I would suspect that this mentality is MUCH more prolific in the US than it is anywhere in Europe or Canada.
But really, the us/france/germany/canada are still going to be trading partners, whether you like it or not. There's nothing you can do about it. The US's strength is built on revenue generated by trade, wars cost money, and the US would be loathe to cut off a couple of its major trading partners (and hence revenue streams) especially when bush is requesting billions upon billions in cash for the war effort.
However, I find the french effort to send pretzels to bush HIGHLY amusing.
I have used Mandrake for some time and like it. But shouldn't us patriotic Americans be boycotting Mandrake...and maybe SUSE too for that matter? Maybe I'll go try Redhat again....
I think we should try to use these very useful technologies for legal things as much as possible. I promise to share it through mldonkey once I get it.
I have briefly set up the following with lots of help from the folks on #bittorrent (thanks!):
Mandrake 9.1 Bittorrent link. If you are behind a NAT or a stateful firewall then the link will not work until a few people whose machines accept incomming connections start downloading from it. Clicking the link will not automatically work but it can easily be fed to the Bittorrent command line tools.
If all else fails, try getting it via Bittorrent (see this other Bittorrent post for more details).
BitTorrent Link of Mandrake 9.1 <-- You need BitTorrent to click here.
Download BitTorrent Here or `apt-get install bittorrent` on debian, and I think there is a port for it for you FreeBSD people.
Anyone who wants to get this file, should try using BitTorrent to get it. It is a file swarming application that helps everyone get the file by uploading pieces of the file you have already downloaded. It should transfer faster, and the best part is, everyone gets the file faster than the Mandrake FTP site, which I am sure has limited bandwidth.
Props to the other people mentioning BitTorrent.
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Eugenia, if you hadn't figured it out yet, does some crazy stuff.
on my system, it booted quite speedily, and that's a 300mhz k6-2. Boot time was nice and fast...system was pretty responsive running kde. definately usable.
sure there are some services, but nothing ridiculous. And mdk's services manager let's you pick and choose, stop and start, easily.
I'm sorry us poor mandrake users aren't as l33t as the gentoo folks...
Who is this Anonymous Coward character, how does he post so much, and why is he always such a whore?
yes. optimized for mmx technologies. and chicken.
Who is this Anonymous Coward character, how does he post so much, and why is he always such a whore?
oh. in that case, i'm retarded. :D
Who is this Anonymous Coward character, how does he post so much, and why is he always such a whore?
i'm sharing the files...no one has downloaded them. perhaps because they are labelled as rc3 and not final?
Who is this Anonymous Coward character, how does he post so much, and why is he always such a whore?
As for Number 9, when has there ever been a prohibition on Canadians from receiving a title such as "Sir" or "Lord" from the Queen? Your country is a Commonwealth member
A knighthood is a British title not a Canadian one. The Queen maybe Canada's monarch but she cannot confer a British title on a Canadian without the express permission of the Canadian government and that permission is rarely given.
It should also be noted that the Canadian monarchy is separate from the British one (or Australian, or New Zealand etc). The same person sits on the various thrones but they are all different and unique.
Also the Commonwealth is made up of countries that both acknowledge the Queen as their head of state and of those that don't.
so right before Microsoft plans to ditch NTFS for WinFS (there database like filesystem) we get NTFS resize features...
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YAY Linux for morons....
err....I mean LINUX for me....
1. See Mandrake post on slashdot
2. leave work early to download
3. ????
4. Profit....no wait get Fired yah thats what would happen, oh well fuck it I can't wait YAY Mandrake!
p.s. I like mandrake So I became a member!...I just hope I didn't waist my money and give it to the liquidators
--meh--
Exactly, considering
(Percentage of trading (from CIA World Factbook 2002, US Page))
Canada 22.4% Export, 19% Import
German 4.1% Export, 5.2% Import
France 4.1% Export, Import not marked. (5%)
Thus, cutting off just these 3 partners, they would lose over a quarter of their exports, which I think considering the war losses would be absolutely absurd for them to do.
~ kjrose
Not all mirrors have the Final version, but one can get the RC3 from mirrors (ex: metalab, listed under 'MandrakeSecurity MNF for i586 and more.'). The MD5 are the same!
Mandrake is French? Fuck them then. Debian here I come...!
> Ah, knee-jerk *liberalism* at its best
It always kills me when people use "liberal" as a dirty word. It's derived from the word "free" and freedom is something your kind likes to blare about stridently given any occasion. By contrast, conservative means to "keep the same" and implies a fear of change. Personally, I like the sound of the former much more than the latter.
> Just because you have the freedom of speech doesn't give
> you the right to have a monopoly on stupidity...
As you're so amply proving. Touche.
Did you have an opportunity to find out how 9.1 handles existing configurations of things such as XAWTV/Streamer/PHP/SAMBA/USB/QuickTime, etc.?
If you had something relative to the above, did the existing configurations carry forward with or without effort?
Hey, what do you get when you cross Mandrake 9 (Bamboo) and Red Hat 8 (Limbo)?
Answer: Windows (Bimbo)
And remember to leave the window open for a while after you finish downloading so others can get it too.
i'm suprised by the lack of mirrors at this point. i'm not in a HUGE rush to upgrade to 9.1, but i was hoping i could get into a mirror and D/L the 3 CD's overnight.
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I guess what' I'm trying to ask is will speed vary according to which link I use? And is my upload more effective (shared with more people with one link than another? Or do they all somehow go into the same bandwidth pool?
Information doesn't want to be anthropomorphized anymore.
is there and update to go from 9.0 to 9.1 without having to download the whole iso?
I always thought that if an OS could replace Windows on the desktop of 90% of users, Mandrake would be the one. It's by far the easiest to use for newbies. I'm not a fan of *nix, I even consider myself a microsoft fanboy. But I know what I like, and I like this one a lot. Too bad my first Linux experience was Initial GUI Setup, reboot, then kernel panic. If you thought blue screens weren't very descriptive, you should see a Linux dump. I'm willing to try again tough!
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Yep, you had the same bug I did...pre-2.4.20 kernels have an allergy to NForce USB and it caused Linux to lock up tight as a drum. When the problem is the kernel you can safely say that Linux indeed locked up.
The 2.4.20 Linus kernel did the trick for my A7N-266-VM, I now have a really kickin' gaming box...and it doesn't run Windows. MDK9 plus the new kernel plus the nvdriver makes for a potent combo, especially when you have a GeForce Ti4200 in the AGP slot.
Gotta love ASUS...the Toyota of motherboard manufacturers. Well crafted and will last almost forever if you care for it right.
Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
Interesting comment from an ANONYMOUS COWARD. At least the French are standing up for their beliefs...
i'm still using debian unstable for my linux partitions. been thinking about doing a switch-over... can anyone tell me why i would want to do a switch over. btw, is mandrake having easier font setup out of the box?
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We've seen major Linux distros increase their version numbers rapidly over the past year, but have there been any serious innovations? It seems to me that the average Joe User still cannot do an installation entirely by himself. While the UIs have seen a lot of improvement... even distributions like Mandrake are still at a high technical level. Of course, it's not like most people can do a Windows installation by themselves. MacOS X certainly pulls this one off. ;-)
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> Mandrake has absolutely NO control over the actions of the government
I agree. Just start referring to it as Freedom Linux and keep consuming. Why pour out your bottles of wine and fdisk your OS away when they're still perfectly good? Mmmm.. must have freedom fries....
How about a more intuitive way to set up servers, DNS, Shares, etc. Themes are nice, and I will appreciate the Wireless support on my laprop, but it would be nice not to have to jump through my own ass to get interchange, etc. to do what I want. Yes, I know....RTFM. sorry
Redhat 8, Mandrake 8.2 and 9.0 are available on giFT. I know, because I put them there.
It may be my dirty mind, but did anyone else read "Prostitute" when they saw Mandrake's "Prosuite" pack?
there are problems with the version you have.
Dump it and go get the final release.
For anyone who uses BitTorrent, here is a torrent file with which to download the ISO.
I don't know Lloyd...the French are assholes
Ciryon
There are only two choices:
1) A company that sticks to the values of Open Source/Free Software movement, and then has to remind the users from time to time that development costs.
2) A company that does not stick to these values, and try to turn Linux into proprietary system by putting its proprietary licenses on key parts of the system, and such.
The point is that companies of the second groop inherently have less interest in keeping the prices low and quality high than those of the first group... You just got rid of Microsoft BECAUSE they were the company of the second type, and now you are begging for a Linux-clone thereof? Does not make sense to me.
Mandrake is in the first group, and that's a Good Thing For You (TM), because it assures that you really OWN your software, and that the company can never become a big bad monopolist that does not care about your (customers) needs.
As for the MandrakeClub, it happens to be a very nice service that's worth the money you pay for it. IMHO, the 'Club' model is the future of free software financing, at least as far as SoHO and home users are concerned. All the other models I've seen so far are either:
Service offers targeting big companies
or:
Based on the idea that free software must be wrapped in proprietary license in order to sell it the classical way.
You mean because France doesn't do everything US wants them to do, they should be boycotted? And how exactly is France putting US soldiers at risk?
This may come as a shock to you, but the World is not US's playground where everyone must do whatever US wants them to do.
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I'm a bit curious on the following issue: I've been told by people who used to work for MandrakeSoft that the company was having serious financial problem.
In a nutshell, they have not-enormous, but significant, expenses, mostly personnel (programmers etc...) and they don't make that much money - there are not that many people that buy the CDs (as opposed to downloading ISOs or copying the CDs).
Can anyone confirm?
Is it technically possible to have a Rush Limbaugh Dittohead filter on Slashdot?
Please?
Sweet thanks; I'm maxing out my T1 line downloading off that site.
I wish I had mod status right now; i'd bump your post up.
Yes, that's all well and good - in fact that's Mandrake's business model. But that's not what the parent poster said. Admitedly he didn't phrase it in the nicest language, but I think he may have a point.
After all, what is the point of OpenSource software if not to be freely available to everyone? And once you make people feel that they have a moral obligation to pay anyway for something which is free, aren't you taking away that freedom? By all means donate money if you feel like it, but if someone choses not to, that shouldn't automatically make them "stupid and naieve", should it?
And the whole "pay for Mandrake even though it's a free download" concept worries me even more when you consider that Mandrake is not GNU or the FSF but rather a company that is out to make a profit. If they can make a profit through providing support and related services, then good luck to them - that's how RedHat's succeeding, after all! But I'm not sure whether they should become a pseudo-charity if this business model of theirs doesn't work ...
Don't get me wrong, I'm really not too sure where I stand on this one; I only think that the situation isn't quite as black-and-white as you make out ...
I have to point out that I ran into several problems with the RPMS2 (aka Contrib) dir on all the mirrors I tried : libgcrypt*.rpm have wrong md5 sums and the synthesis file contain incorrect version info on the dillo package (0.7.1.2-1 instead of 0.7.0-1) which prevents urpmi from working properly.
Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.
Yes, I know, offtopic...
I'd really just love to know how
(a) the _French_ Government put US soldiers lives in danger, when all they have done is attempt to stop the _US_ Government sticking them in a position where they are getting shot at, and
(b) why this means you should boycott Mandrake; its not a Government owned distro is it?
After all, if anyone is going to whinge about people's lives being put in danger it would be me (as a Brit) boycotting the US as its your President who has got British troops in the firing line (and done a rather better job of killing them than the Iraqis, while we mention it). I'm not doing so, however, as I fail to see how it would be Redhat's fault.
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Yes, there was UN approval. The entire Security Council, including the US, voted in favor of French action in the Ivory Coast. France was widely praised by the Security Council for its intervention, possibly preventing Rwanda style massacres.
Congratulations! Now we are the Evil Empire
And, of course, consider joining Mandrake club after downloading the distro.
-Yenya
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Heh. Offtopic *and* flamebait.
Current score for killing British citizens is:
Iraq: 2
Britain: 8
US: 12
France: 0
I'll be downloading 9.1 tonight and buying the CDs when my pay comes through.
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A-fucking-men to that!!!
He painted a unicorn in outer space. I'm askin' ya, what's it breathin'?
ed2k://|file|Mandrake91-cd1-inst.i586.iso|68216422 4|7422d9374a1bd9187254de638f47c7d3|8 |9bc5687f06ecf26e1f767623dc8f6421|0 0|82530029d63b3624020fcc40aa9ad625|
ed2k://|file|Mandrake91-cd2-ext.i586.iso|68127948
ed2k://|file|Mandrake91-cd3-i18n.i586.iso|6815744
and unlike ftp links, the more people that use these, the better.
Not quite....but I did to get Mandrake 9.1 RC2 to install and run
inside VMWare Workstation 4.0 Beta (this is a few days b4 the 9.1 final release).
Check out the screenshots.
There is something seemingly dangerous about running beta software inside beta VMs...
you don't have much of a life, do you?
Your about as stupid as the French protesters that are throwing rocks and storming McDonalds to try to hurt an american company, did you stop eating broccoli years back when Georg Bush senior said he didn't like it?
The world of buisness is not so black and white, for example if you buy a Mazda you are making Ford money (they have controling shares in Mazda stock) mitsubisi-Chrysler my beloved Toyota-GM,
Things are not so cut n' dry in the real world.
Your not very smart, are you?
gutless AC wonder
I'm not using the definition of *liberal* which is still preferred in Europe; I'm using the modern American definition of the word. The definition favored by Europeans is known as *classical liberalalism* here in America, the favoring of democratic institutions, progressivism, and free market economics. The modern American version of *liberal,* used as a derogatory term, implies a person that is anti-military no matter what the justification, distrusts market economics, believes social government programs to be successful, and believes the Western world oppresses the good people of 3rd World Countries such as Iraq. People who state that "regime change" in countries such as Iraq are up to the Iraqi people themselves. These people also believe the propaganda from such great leaders as Robert Mugabe, that his country is being oppressed by the British because of latent racism and neocolonialist chic, or that the North Koreans are run by a peace-loving regime. That's what I mean when I write "knee jerk liberalism"... Stepping off my soapbox now...
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Well, good discussion (dear Lord... Intelligence on Slashdot?) but the main point of disagreeance is here:
After all, what is the point of OpenSource software if not to be freely available to everyone?
This is probably one of the biggest misconceptions in the software world, and it's the same as all the FUD that Microsoft tries to put forth.
There's a difference between Free as in accessibility and Free as in Beer. Free as in Beer is saying "You don't need to pay for anything that we provide. It's all free of charge." FSF and the GNU GPL say nothing to this point. Linux happens to be publically available simply because Linus decided to make it so, and as such Linux is Free as in beer.
Free as in accessibility is based on a simple enough concept: Once you have a piece of software, it's _YOURS_. EULAs these days seem to be based around "Well, its yours but you're not allowed to reverse-engineer it or do anything you want to with it outside of what we say." This isn't so much a business model (which is why FSF and GNU aren't businesses) as it is just a principle of distribution. So the GPL merely says distribute source code and allow people to tinker with it all they want once they become the proprietors of the product. The only stipulation is that anybody who wants to redistribute any part of the code must release said modifications under the GPL.
Again, often Linux is not the best business example of GPL use because Linux is not a business. But any software can be released under the GPL and still be made to pay for (See: Lindows).
Mandrake is based on the Honour System more than anything. Try out their latest product for as long as you want. Beta Test, give us bug reports, if you really like what we do, consider sending us money. Sure, you're perfectly available not to (I haven't yet... although as soon as I get gainful employment I assure you I'll be signing up for MandrakeClub) but the idea is: Mandrake is currently on the brink of Bankruptcy. I _really_ like their product, and I would hate to see them go down. As a result, I'm going to do what I can to prevent that happening: Give them money. It's the same deal as Public Television... Pledge your money, the product remains, you get a perk or two (Limited Edition Red Dwarf T-shirt, Citizen Kane DVD, Subscription to magazine, etc.).
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And MAN am i impressed. the install went flawlessly and the look and feel is beautiful. I highly reccommend everyone take a look at this for their desktop OS at the very least!
Mandrake was a tuned version of Red Hat...at version 6.x.
Version 9.x is completely different. Try it before making uninformed comments.
As someone who is currently writing some bioinformatics software which I imagine will be quite useful (the only equivalent programs are expensive, less accurate and - needless to say - closed source) and which I'm intending to release under the GPL, I can say from personal feeling that I do not want to be "rewarded" for writing it and giving it away for free. I've written it partly because I needed to, but mainly for enjoyment. I don't want money for it!!
I currently use Mandrake 9.0, but while I can see the virtues of the distro as far as others are concerned I'm unlikely to ever upgrade or pay for it. In fact, if I was to change distro I'd probably be a lot more inclined to switch to something like Crux (which is completely open and free, and makes my ancient P120 laptop fly: I admire it for its lack of bloat and for the fact that it's teaching me how to set up a linux system). As it stands, most of the software I use on my current Mandrake system has been compiled by me (from X toolkits upwards - the exceptions are the kernel (because I'm lazy), the GNU tools (no real advantage to compiling yourself AFAICS) and X (takes too long and uses up too much disk space)) so I can't say I'd really miss Mandrake if it suddenly collapsed.
For that matter, since all the Mandrake tools are GPL'd anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if Mandrake didn't continue to live on in some shape or form even if the company went bankrupt. The only thing I would expect to change would be that support would no longer be provided in the form of the Mandrake Club.
moron
Feh. Did you even read what I wrote? You have the same rights I do. You may exercise your rights to the degree that they do not interfere with my exercise of mine, and vice versa. Hold your sign, travel around, assemble where you want, etc. Just know that obstructing traffic and throwing things at buildings and passersby are not looked at kindly, and for good reason, because you've begun to infringe on others' rights.
As far as the traffic argument, don't be a troll. I understand the concept of sharing limited resources, like freeway throughput. Do you?
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