Matrix Revolutions Trailer Released

aerojad writes "The new Matrix Revolutions trailer is now available for download (direct link) on the official site. If you have plugin/bandwidth issues, there are also BitTorrent links available. For those wondering, there is more to it than you saw at the end of Reloaded." In related news, an anonymous reader points to the BBC News report that: "The makers of the Matrix films are considering only promoting the third film, Matrix Revolutions, for next year's Oscars. Warners, which produced the films, had considered pushing for both of them to be nominated as a single entry because they were shot on the same 240-day shoot, but the academy refused."

Comments

Wow!

[inertia187]

Man, Agent Smith looks absolutely crazy in this trailer. I still think he looks better with long hair. In case the BBC site is slow, here's a mirror to the 3rd link. I'm keeping my BitTorrent window open for as long as possible. It only took me two minutes to download, but that's because I beat the rush because I'm a Slashdot Subscriber. ;-) Please keep your BitTorrent windows open for as long as possible.

Re:Wow!

[Anonymous Coward]

Wow downloading a commercial for a second rate sci fi sequel! Membership has its advantages! Where do I sign?

Re:Wow!

[5i]

Damn bittorrent.

I mean, I'm sure there's some point here.. but:

download rate: 0 k/s
upload rate: 22 k/s

and this from a country where you pay for every byte transmitted. I'm sure there's a "tragedy of the commons" lesson in here somewhere..

kill -9 bittorrent.

Re:Wow!

[SmallFurryCreature]

Yes, there is thanks, for the upload I got the file in under a minute. Thanks. :)

Perhaps a bad firewall setting? Oh and I to used the linux client (the one you get with gentoo).

Re:Wow!

[wo1verin3]

>>Please press ALT-4 to locate the most
>>appropriate site for your interests

Done, I pressed ALT-4 and I'm being prompted for my username and password, and my Lynx session disappeared, how did you hax0r my system?

Re:Wow!

[corgicorgi]

I just watched the trailer. I think what will happen in the next movie is Agent Smith finds a way to become human. And once he succeeds, there's no need for the human in the life pods. So Neo is trying to stop him. Just my guess.

Re:Wow!

[croddy]

cue 1000 "bittorrent doesn't work" posts. no kidding!

give it up, bittorrent has fundamental design flaws. this is *not* the content distribution system of the future.

Re:Wow!

[Anonymous Coward]

Here's my major compalint: For whatever reason, on my DSL, if you max out the upload bandwith, the download bandwith goes to shit. And BitTorrent takes all it can get, unlike KaZaA where upload max upload speed is ajustable. So if I'm uploading at 12k/sec, I can only download at maybe 20k/sec or so, rather than the 80k/sec or so that I normally get. What's up with that anyway?

Re:Wow!

[dtfinch]

Think of it as a proof of concept. It _usually_ works great. The concept is sound. And it's open source, so people can improve upon it or refer to it when writing compatible download managers.

I personally gave the guy $10.

Re:Wow!

[CGP314]

It only took me two minutes to download, but that's because I beat the rush because I'm a Slashdot Subscriber.

Oh that's where I need to go to subscribe. Thanks for pointing it out. Slashdot really hides it well don't they?

Re:Wow!

[lewp]

If you've got a decent router you can use QoS to prioritize ACKs to mitigate this problem. Check out this. The article targets OpenBSD's pf, but if you're using something else it shouldn't be too difficult to adapt the idea to your system.

Re:Wow!

[ndogg]

You guys really ought to look at the documentation for BitTorrent sometimes. If used correctly, BitTorrent is pretty nice, actually, but I digress.

--max_uploads num
Only allow num uploads at once (default 4)

--max_upload_rate kbytes
maximum rate to upload at in kilobytes, 0 means no limit (default 0)

Re:Wow!

[topologist]

This could be because the TCP stack on your OS doesn't implement ACK prioritization, which can be pretty useful on links with asymmetric bandwidth limits, like DSL. Essentially, when you max out your upload bandwidth, you also increase the amount of contention/latency experienced when sending the TCP ACKs which need to be sent in response to the TCP packets you download (to let the sender know you've received them, since otherwise the server has no means of knowing if they actually got through to you, rather than having been dropped along the way). This in turn could lead to retransmits/rate throttling by the server sending you the matrix (or whatever), thus causing slower downloads. Of course, part of this may also be due to some other factors, such as a broken algorithm in bittorrens. Here's a good link to learn more about this: ALTQ

Re:Wow!

[AKnightCowboy]

I'm keeping my BitTorrent window open for as long as possible. It only took me two minutes to download, but that's because I beat the rush because I'm a Slashdot Subscriber. ;-)

That's not really a valid reason to be a Slashdot Subscriber. The way Bittorrent works, it makes more sense to wait longer until more people have started downloading the trailer. I'm getting it now 8 hours later and saturating my DSL's download speed.

Re:Wow!

[kill-1]

You can do that with Linux, too. Preferrably with the HTB packet scheduler (Hierarchical Token Buckets or so). Just enable it in your kernel under "Qos and/or fair scheduling". Then you might want to read some HOWTOs, because it's not really intuitive.

Works like a charm here with our ADSL connection. SSH is perfectly useable even while you're downloading at full speed.

Re:Wow!

[rokzy]

he found a way to be human in the second film already. he took over Kane and sabotaged the resistance against the sentinels by setting off the EMP.

Re:Wow!

[PunchMonkey]

>>Please press ALT-4 to locate the most
>>appropriate site for your interests

ALT-4??? What the heck are you talking about.

I guess I'll go jump in IRC and ask someone in #Windows2,000Help

Re:Wow!

[WNight]

I'm not much into BT, but it worked well for me this time. It instantly started downloading, and quickly. I was up to 222k/s when it stopped in around three minutes. 9k/s up. Not bad. I guess it's a bit saturated at this point, nobody else wants it.

Re:Wow!

[Elwood P Dowd]

Man, Agent Smith looks absolutely crazy in this trailer. I still think he looks better with long hair.

No, he looks better with high heels and a bra.

Re:Wow!

[IAmRenegadeX]

I think he means ALT-F4 -- which closes just about every Windows program... It's a common newbie prank. Shucks, coulda used it on you! ;)

Re:Wow!

[Gargamale]

I dunno. If this is as bad as "Regurgitated", er, "Reloaded", then I plan on staying home (or scouring USENET for it, just so I can have factual basis for my hatred). Although, the long haired Smith is pretty sweet looking, but not enough to carry a whole movie. I'd rather see Animatrix 2, KTHXBAI.

Re:Wow!

[junkgrep]

Yeah, it's great, eveyrone can write their on no-uploading client, and the entire concept fails. GG, bye bye.

Re:Wow!

[dtfinch]

Do you think that'll really happen enough to make it useless?

Re:Wow!

[antatack]

Wow

517 k/sec download
0k /sec upload

Re:Wow!

[Rosonowski]

Oooh, someone capable of reading my journal. I'm spooked. =P

I reiterate. Go away, troll. You're not welcome here.

Re:Wow!

[ziggy_zero]

That would mike kind of sense, because my friend and I hypothesized that when Neo hit Smith in the original Matrix, when they "melded" together or whatever, Smith got some of Neo's "code" and Neo got some of Smith's "code" - thus making Smith more human-like and Neo more machine-like, which explains how Neo can control those sentinels near the end of Reloaded. (DON'T get me started on the nested matrices shit. If they did that, I'd have to kill the Wachowskis myself to pay back the writers of the Thirteenth Floor.)

Although I really don't see how Smith could become human, unless he figured out a way to take over someone in the Matrix and "wake up".

Re:Wow!

[dcassiani]

I don't recall it, but was it the same trailer as the one that was on the end of the second movie?

========
Here in Brazil, I found a Christian website talking about Matrix... you'd be amazed how they argue that the movie was done as to reflect Jesus' life (say hi to Religious Propaganda based on a blockbuster movie)

Re:Wow!

[PunchMonkey]

;-) I was aiming for +1 Funny... didn't work...

Woa

[numbski]

I think I hear a straw gurgling someplace...

"Mr. Anderson, you're the one!
You make bullet time oh so fun!
Mr. Neo I'm ever so fond of you..."

*ducks*

Direct Link To The Torrent

[aerojad]

Just incase the page won't resolve: here.

Re:Direct Link To The Torrent

[matguy]

cause it's a BitTorrent http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/

Re:Direct Link To The Torrent

[croddy]

ok. so the answer is "fake file".

Direct link to movie

[ASayre8]

http://progressive.warnerbros.com/thematrix/us/med /revolutions_640_dl.mov Direct link to the High Quality version of the trailer.

Re:Direct link to movie

[aerojad]

That's the link that was giving me codec errors, and I have my QuickTime up-to-date. Even tried using IE to download it aside from Opera, to no avail.

Re:Direct link to movie

[matguy]

I also had what seemed to be codec erros while trying to download, but it turned out to be just the data stream for the actual file stopping. I downloaded via a BitTorrent and I got the file just fine.

You got it! -nt-

[numbski]

Heh heh heh...

And direct link to a Zip of it

[ASayre8]

http://progressive.warnerbros.com/thematrix/us/med /revolutions_640_dl.zip Zipped version so we dont' have to slashdot their site AS much.

Re:And direct link to a Zip of it

[kgarcia]

sweet. THanks. I'm gettin' 400k/s out of this :)

*hugs my cable*

Re:And direct link to a Zip of it

[BigFire]

Amazing. For a while I thought we managed to slashdot their pipe. And then I realized that this is AOL we're talking 'bout here. Why bother with a bittorrent when they have more bandwidth than we know what to do with.

Re:And direct link to a Zip of it

[Creepy Crawler]

Perhaps you are SLASHDOTTING a pipe.

You can clog a mid-connection router that's failovered by too much traffic. That way, it looks to everybody coming from that router that the links slashdotted, when in reality, and request originating from that segment is "slashdotted".

Re:And direct link to a Zip of it

[Rich0]

And I'm getting 800k/s - for the first 5 seconds. Then it drops out (probably buggy proxy filter on the corporate LAN).

I'll settle for the reliable 80k/s at home on the DSL...

Re:And direct link to a Zip of it

[Wandering Idiot]

The kind that tells them a few megabytes times 1000's of downloads adds up. Numbnuts.

Spoilers

[Ignorant Aardvark]

Am I the only one who absolutely refuses to watch these trailers? I mistakenly saw the trailer for Reloaded, and the whole Burly Brawl was completely spoiled when they showed a cloud of Agent Smiths getting tossed off in a "mushroom cloud." If you hadn't seen that, you'd really be worried when the Smiths completely enveloped Neo, because you wouldn't know how he was going to get out of it. But the preview spoiled it, and so that fight (possibly the best in the movie) was entirely spoiled for me because I knew the outcome - if hundreds of Agent Smiths couldn't even hold Neo down, how could he possibly lose?!

I hate how movie companies are putting more and more give-aways in their trailers just to get more people to come see it. It speaks volumes about how they only care about the bottom line, and how little they care about the integrity of the movie as art. I've heard from my friends about American Wedding (which I didn't want to see) - it was a waste of money because they already saw all the best parts on the ads!

And that is why I refuse to watch Revolutions trailers. As the movie's release date draws nearly it's going to get harder for me, as I'll have to turn away from the TV and cover my ears whenever the ads come up. But it'll be worth it, because I absolutely hate spoilers.

Re:Spoilers

[joenobody]

Trinity dies at the end, it was in the trailer.

Re:Spoilers

[veg_all]

Am I the only one who absolutely refuses to watch these trailers?

Am I the only one who absolutely refuses to watch this movie?

Re:Spoilers

[veg_all]

..nt (runs to edit sig)

Re:Spoilers

[hamster foo]

The fight scene was spoiled for me because the graphics were atrocious. Most of the movies graphics were extremely well done, so I tried my best to come up with some viable reason for the graphics in that particular scene to have been so bad, but I really couldn't come up with anything that satisfied me. It looked almost like they got lazy during that scene.

Re:Spoilers

[warbirdnut]

Really..... Can't say the same thing for Monica Bellucci.

Re:Spoilers

[cioxx]

Then again, this is the nature of the business.

They tried several times to do just that, by showing obscure previews that didn't give away anything, and so far most of them resulted in failures. Overwhelming majority of movie-going consumers suffer from ADD. Without giving them something big during the preview, you're running the risk of dooming the box office returns.

In 1995, I remember they started running the ads for Strange Days, which involved few people giving interviews about something no one had a clue about. While it was mysterious and edgy at the time, the movie was punished by not generating enough buzz and consequent revenue, and the advertising method was to blame. The studio tried to switch gears and follow the traditional approach with full blown trailer showing big explosions and major scenes, but it was too late.

In conclusion, don't watch the trailer.

p.s. I find it interesting that all of my favorite movies are the ones which I watched without seeing a trailer in advance. Something to think about.

Re:Spoilers

[mec]

I agree that the graphics looked bad in the burly brawl.

My explanation: the Matrix itself is getting overloaded when 100 Smith's show up and need to be rendered. When the Matrix renders 100 people in a normal crowd, those 100 people have 100 brains that can be tapped for distributed rendering. But when it renders 100 clones of Smith, there's a bottleneck.

I enjoy the bits where the Matrix simulation gets overstressed, like the Deja Vu scene in the first movie. I'm hoping to see more and more of that as this cycle of the Matrix goes through, well, Ragnarok.

Re:Spoilers

[hamster foo]

That's an explanation I hadn't thought about, but I'm not sure it's one that I like either. Most of the things I've thought of I didn't like as explanations for it. I really hope they do at least try to explain the graphics. I'd be really disappointed if they leave the graphics like that and don't give any reason for them looking so horrible.

Re:Spoilers

[Anonymous Coward]

the Matrix itself is getting overloaded when 100 Smith's show up and need to be rendered. When the Matrix renders 100 people in a normal crowd, those 100 people have 100 brains that can be tapped for distributed rendering. But when it renders 100 clones of Smith, there's a bottleneck.

Have you ever seen a girl naked?

Re:Spoilers

[MegaHamsterX]

The really sad part isn't that everything is given away in the trailers, but that it CAN be given away in the trailers.

Look at the old classics, how much could you give away in a 30 sec clip in Casablanca or Citizen Kane, sure you might give the ending away, but the rest of the movie is entertaining enough to keep watching over and over and very few movies today hold up to that standard.

Oh yeah and the Matrix Reloaded was two hours too long, but during that two hours it did have some cool special effects.

Re:Spoilers

[HeghmoH]

Here's a hint that you may not have picked up on yet in your movie-watching career.

Neo is the movie's hero. That means that, unless this is one of those rare films with an unhappy ending, he is immortal and invincible. Sometimes the hero dies at the end, but never in the middle. Since the entire movie qualifies as "middle", you can know without even needing to watch a trailer or a movie that Neo doesn't lose to Smith.

Re:Spoilers

[Anonymous Coward]

While it was mysterious and edgy at the time, the movie was punished by not generating enough buzz and consequent revenue, and the advertising method was to blame.

Oh... I didn't know my disappointment in the film and its subsequent flop was due to the advertising. I thought it merely had something to do with Strange Days just not being a very good movie. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Re:Spoilers

[thoth]

Uh... let's see... Neo is the STAR of the Matrix movies. Did you SERIOUSLY think he wouldn't prevail in the Burly Brawl??????

Re:Spoilers

[iainl]

To be fair, its entirely possible that Neo could have been captured by the Smiths at that point, leaving Morpheus and Trinity to go rescue him for a change. Getting captured occasionally is all part of the job for heroes.

"You expect me to talk?"

"No, Mr. Anderson. I expect you to die"

Re:Spoilers

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually, Trinity was Morpheus, and Neo was Agent Smith. They were all going to a party in Mulholland Drive and then everything got messed up. Whoa!

Re:Spoilers

[CGP314]

Actually, I do the exact opposite of you: I watch the trailers but not the movie. This way I get to see all the good parts, but I don't have to waste an hour and a half of my life with filler.

Re:Spoilers

[Robmonster]

I am constantly surprised by how seriously some people take the Matrix movies.

You can always tell a true fan when they make up their own excuses for a films short-comings.

Re:Spoilers

[FrostedWheat]

You may be right... near the start where you see the three 'matrix' screens, it dosen't look all that healthy. Not the nice smooth code as before.

Re:Spoilers

[MrPoopyPants]

Ahh... so, the Matrix must be like the old NES. Too many sprites and it gets all whacky! (Maybe that's how neo was able to defeat them all, because the slowdown in the CPU gave the effect of slow motion...)

Re:Spoilers

[xThinkx]

Man, you're so right. They RUINED the LOTR trilogy for me by releasing these stupid books when I was younger and I read them. I mean, the books had almost everything that was in the movies, why would I want to go see the movies now? That made the movies absolutely suck because they were "spoiled".

Re:Spoilers

[cjpez]

and the whole Burly Brawl was completely spoiled when they showed a cloud of Agent Smiths getting tossed off in a "mushroom cloud."

Yeah, it was certainly a shame that awful POS fight scene got ruined. It would have been so much more exciting, had I not known how the obviously-computer-generated Neo was going to escape from all the obviously-computer-generated Agent Smiths, especially seeing as though all the actual fighting going on was obviously not doing a thing to either side. Watching other people play video games is always so much more thrilling when you don't know what's going to happen.

Meh.

Re:Spoilers

[mblase]

If you hadn't seen that, you'd really be worried when the Smiths completely enveloped Neo, because you wouldn't know how he was going to get out of it.

You don't watch many action movies, do you? There's no way in Sheol that the star of an action trilogy is going to be overcome halfway through the second film.

Re:Spoilers

[Kurt Granroth]

It's a mistake to think that they are putting "more and more give-aways" in newer trailers. In fact, if you go back to movies made in the late 60's and early 70's, you'll see that modern trailers show next to nothing about the plot compared to then.

The canonical example would be the original theatrical trailer for "The Graduate" (1967). The trailer was three minutes long and included EVERY detail of the plot from beginning to end!

This was par for course back. It wasn't until the later 70s that directors starting resisting a bit and not letting the studio give away the entire plot in the trailer.

Re:Spoilers

[Darth Troll]

My explanation:

The rendering of the CGI-based(?) Agent Smiths was too much for the computer systems used for the scene and the characters appeared rubbery/fake.

LOTR pulled it off with many more characters but admittedly from further away (less detail). Instead of attempting to orchestrate each "Agent Smith" they should have programmed the system to fight and just let it go.

Re:Spoilers

[Chris Burke]

Yes, but in a better movie the hero could plausibly fail, even though you know they won't. The entertainment comes from seeing how the hero overcomes the difficulties. When your hero is Superman, though, there isn't much of a struggle. Watching Neo kick ass was like watching a lazy fat man successfully microwave a burrito. It might take a while, but you know he could do it easily whenever he wanted, so until that point he's obviously just fucking around.

I was so happy when Trinity and Morpheus finally stole the screen away from Captain Kung Fu. Even if to get that to happen Morpheus, Trinity, and Neo had to suddenly become complete morons: "Let's split up-- Neo, you engage these guys completely unecessarily, while soft, vulnerable, mortal Trinity and I will flee like mice before the magic floating invisible ghost agents." But I'll forgive that, because we get to finally see some fights with some tension. When Morpheus stands on top of a semi facing an agent and draws his sword, at least you get the impression that he's being brave. You know he isn't going to die, but you don't know that he's going to win, either.

Remember the fight between Neo and the oracle's guardian? How they exchanged blows for a few minutes, and then one of them just decided that the fight was over? Notice how every Neo fight was like that?

Re:Spoilers

[haggar]

No, you aren't. I try to avoid them, myself, and I already am kicking myself for reading some comments here, that spoiled it a little bit.

Damn slashdot :o)

Re:Spoilers

[brakk]

...obviously-computer-generated Neo.....the obviously-computer-generated Agent Smiths...

I agree. They were so horribly computer generated, it would have been better to just leave out the whole fight. I had seen the Agent Smith explosion in the preview and was so excited about seeing that fight. It was the one major part I was waiting for and I was so let down, it (along with a several other minor let-downs) ruined the rest of the movie.

Re:Spoilers

[cjpez]

Yeah. I was really pissed off about it. It looked great in the trailers, 'cause you're just looking at it compressed and either crammed into a window on your desktop or further mangled by expanding it to fullscreen, so in the downloadable previews it looked really cool. Alas.

Re:Spoilers

[brakk]

I agree that someone studying a film as art shouldn't be affected by trailers and is going to be looking at many other things besides the plot. But as an artist presenting a work of art to an audience of non critics, you want the presentation to be virgin so it is seen as you intended it to be seen. Movies are essentially a performance art (unlike paintings) and its scenes are meant to be seen in a predetermined order. Anything else takes away from the intended experience.

Re:Spoilers

[rthille]

The funniest thing about this is before a friend of mine from work was heading out to see 'reloaded', I said, "Trinity dies." totally deadpan. I didn't know anything (hadn't read anything or seen it yet), but it just seemed like the right thing to say to mess with him. That it turned out to be true was even better! :-)

Re:Spoilers

[Sajma]

This also explains bullet-time: it's just lag :)

Hope its better then the 2nd one

[Billly Gates]

The second one sucked really bad. I mean if it did not have the "matrix" label on it, it probably would of bombed on the box office. The first one rocked so I am not anti-matrix by any means. I was more plot and less action. It seems like the second one was about how to make a movie with more actions seens then any other with little plot.

Re:Hope its better then the 2nd one

[Neop2Lemus]

Retarded had action? Oh, the highway chase. But I had to sit through the movie to get to it...

Re:Hope its better then the 2nd one

[phantumstranger]

I've heard a lot of people say things along the same lines as you and, while I don't entirely disagree with the fact that there was tons more action than plot movement in this one, I must point something out.

Reloaded is the part of The Matrix story where they (we) believe they (again, we) are at the eleventh hour. At the eleventh hour and a make-or-break mission at hand to save the world from the machines there really isn't that much that needs to be said.

In watching the film the plot movement is the fight scenes. There are bits of clues left in most of the fights that pertain not only to the "present day" Matrix but also the prior Matrices (?) and the bugs that were in them.

I would think there will be plenty more narrative story in Revolutions given the three endings Reloaded had. (Spoiler warning) One - The Matrix loop, Two - Neo's power in The Real World, Three - the Judas character / agent.

I was very happy with Reloaded not just with the fight scenes but with the way they moved the story along. I would ask you to wait for the DVD and rent it to notice the little things - the subtle things - that the Wachowskis did with it.

Re:Hope its better then the 2nd one

[sTalking_Goat]

Reloaded had to be the most disappointing movie of 2003. The problem was that they basically had nowhere to go after the first one. Wire-Fu has been done to death by everyone after Matrix came out now what? More wire-fu? I ope the W bros learned their lesson but I doubt it. I'll see it a few weeks after release anyway.

Re:Hope its better then the 2nd one

[hamster foo]

I hope the DVD has an option to cut out the first 20 mins of the movie. Could they have made the opening Zion sequence any longer and more useless than it was? I realize they wanted to show Zion, but did they have to make it so hard to sit through? The rest of the movie was ok, and I'll grant you could look a lot better if Revolutions comes out and has a lot of good tie ins to things that happened in Reloaded.

Re:Hope its better then the 2nd one

[alien_blueprint]

I've simply decided not to see the third one, after the Reloaded mess. It is the only way they'll learn not to just slap "The Matrix" label onto any old thing.

I'll be very interested to see what kind of business Revolutions does. Only the real Matrix fanatics seem to have much positive to say about Reloaded. I can't see average movie goers being particular keen to see the next one ...

Re:Hope its better then the 2nd one

[mcpkaaos]

They turned the movie into a comic book on the big screen, there isn't much more to be said for it. Considering the final two parts of the trilogy were shot simultaneously, I wouldn't keep your hopes up too high for Revolutions. It's really a shame, the first movie had such an incredible impact on an unsuspecting audience.

In any case, the greatest disservice done to the Matrix films was announcing, well ahead of time, the two additional movies to make the trilogy. Along with the sudden expectation of something even GREATER than the first movie came a real plateau in the form of fans having to wait and wait for 2 & 3 to be released. I think things would be a little different had they just come out with no forewarning. At least then the high expectation factor would be offset by both surprise and excitement. Now we have little more than the same sort of hype, hype, hype, disappoint! momentum we had with Star Wars. No concept could possibly stand up to the amount of hype surrounding either franchise.

Thank god we haven't done this to LOTR. Of course, I guess it's hard to hype a story you already know the ending to. :D

At least that's what this well used hooka next to me says..

Re:Hope its better then the 2nd one

[HarveyBirdman]

I submit that this is piss-poor moderation.

I submit that "this movie sucked" is piss poor movie reviewing, and fully deserving of downward moderation. ;-)

Re:Hope its better then the 2nd one

[gosand]

The second one sucked really bad. I mean if it did not have the "matrix" label on it, it probably would of bombed on the box office. The first one rocked so I am not anti-matrix by any means. I was more plot and less action. It seems like the second one was about how to make a movie with more actions seens then any other with little plot.

Allow me to offer another opinion. The second movie was really good, it was just laid out poorly. Everything you were looking for was there, it was just all crammed into one part of the movie. You didn't have time to digest what was happening in the plot before the next big action sequence. In the first one, you got to figure out what was going on as you went. In the second one, it was action action action PLOT action action action. Yes, the love scene was bad, the "Soddom and Gomorrah" part could have been done a little better. Morpheus did pontificate a little too much, and some of the dialog was corny. But I think when you can finally put all the movies together the second one will fit. At least I hope it will. I was disappointed right after I saw it, but the more I talked about it with my wife, I saw some of the more symbolic references. Now with most movies, I would think that it could just be coincidental, but I think the Warchowski brothers know what they are doing, and put them in there on purpose.

I am glad that they had some swordplay in the second one, I thought that was pretty cool. But I think that the real gist of the second movie was to introduce The Architect and to let agent Smith go off the deep end.

The first movie was better, because it introduced The Matrix to us. There is nothing they could do in the second one to compete with that, just like T2 couldn't come up with the same magic of the Terminator. (although they did a nice twist with the second one where Arnold was the good guy). But with the Terminator, they had nowhere to go with the 3rd one. I didn't see it, and probably won't. The interest wasn't there for me. With The Matrix, I really want to see what happens in the third one. Hopefully they'll wrap it up nicely and make it a great trilogy.

Re:Hope its better then the 2nd one

[nevets]

Another interesting thing that I and a few of my friends experienced, was that the first time I saw Reloaded I was disappointed. But I wanted to see it again to find all the hidden things that was in the movie, since the first time I saw it it went too fast to catch everything. After the second watching, I realized that I enjoyed it much more than the first time. I even went a third time and enjoyed that one more than the second. The only part I disliked when going again was the orgy zion thing. But the rest was worth it.

Re:Hope its better then the 2nd one

[Wraithlyn]

Couldn't agree more. The first time I was like, "eh.", but then I started thinking about it more, getting other takes on, and went back to see it again, and loved it! I've seen it twice more since then, and liked it better each time, always noticing more little details and clues you can't possibly grasp the first time through.

Here's one I noticed the last time... when Neo and co. meet the Merovingian and he starts talking about his cause and effect stuff, watch Persephone... she is bored out of her mind! :) You can practically see the thought bubble, "Oh for fuck's sake, here we go AGAIN...". This is obvious of course later, but it is evident from the subtle acting beforehand.

Re:Hope its better then the 2nd one

[nevets]

Ahh, but did you notice in the beginning of that scene when the three of them enter, Neo looks to his left and they show someone being escorted out of the room by two others.

Re:Direct link to movie (clickable)

[Anonymous Coward]

clickable

IMAX MATRIX!

[LoRdTAW]

I saw Reloaded in the Lowes Imax here in NYC and it was incredible! If you have one near you I suggest you go and see it there. A few tips for getting tix and seats:
-Order tickets on line or at the box office 1 or 2 days before showing to ensure you get them.
-Get to the theater at least 1 hour before the movie starts to enshure you gett he good seats.
-Best seats are the upper middle. I try to find the seats where the screen is visible clearly but not to far up that I have to move my head to see whats going on. The right distance and you will really feel like you are in the movie.

Hope this helps...

Cookies....me want cook....oooh, blue pill!

[numbski]

Me want blue pill!

Sorry. Been hanging around my nephew waaay too much.

btw people, drop to terminal and....

wget http://progressive.warnerbros.com/thematrix/us/med /revolutions_640_dl.mov

Have a nice evening. ;)

Re:Cookies....me want cook....oooh, blue pill!

[Mr. Flibble]

Now Thats a slashdotted system:
[snip]
Resolving pdl.warnerbros.com... done.
Connecting to pdl.warnerbros.com[64.12.48.48]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found
Location: /thematrix/us/med/ [following]
--21:58:11-- http://pdl.warnerbros.com/thematrix/us/med/
=> `index.html.1'
Connecting to pdl.warnerbros.com[64.12.48.48]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
21:58:14 ERROR 403: Forbidden. /revolutions_640_dl.mov: Unsupported scheme.

Re:Cookies....me want cook....oooh, blue pill!

[(startx)]

change the .mov to .zip and you should still be able to grab it. I am right now at least. If the connect dies, remember to use -c with wget to resume.

Re:Cookies....me want cook....oooh, blue pill!

[BigFire]

You somehow introduced a space after med. Not that it makes much differences. This may be the first time we managed to slashdot an AOL served item.

Re:Cookies....me want cook....oooh, blue pill!

[Mr. Flibble]

Yeah - still getting the same, even with -c flag and changing the extension to .zip Fortunately I have bit torrent, however, even that is taking some time.

Re:Cookies....me want cook....oooh, blue pill!

[RealityShunt]

Damn! This morning I can't download it, and wget is showing

08:02:51 ERROR 403: Forbidden. /revolutions_640_dl.zip: Unsupported scheme.

WTF?
I think they got slashdotted and wisened up. Oh well, on to read the rest of the comments and find a mirror.

realityshunt

slashdot their servers?

[phalse phace]

If you have bandwidth issues, there are also BitTorrent links available.

Um, yeah. Like we'll ever get close to bringing down their servers.

Re:slashdot their servers?

[Jarnis]

Actually, they are seriously slashdotted right now. I tried few times, but could not get a complete file. BitTorrent, however, is working flawlessly.

Re:slashdot their servers?

[nobodyman]

Um, yeah. We just did. I'm getting about 2kbits/sec just before the connection gets reset.

Re:slashdot their servers?

[MarcoAtWork]

wget -c is your friend

Re:slashdot their servers?

[smokin_juan]

Flawlessly? I don't concider 8k down and 32k UP flawless. I call it slow and unbalanced.

Re:slashdot their servers?

[plalonde2]

I wish I'd thought of that years ago. Had I mod points you'd have one!

Re:slashdot their servers?

[momerath2003]

Hmm... maybe you should stop using a dial-up modem.

;-D

Re:slashdot their servers?

[Joe Tie.]

I'm getting 185kbs download and 5kbs upload. Pretty flawless for me.

Re:slashdot their servers?

[dallask]

couldnt get the movie from the site.... but with bit torrent I got 145k down and 3-8 k up (Still dont know what I was uploading)... but it worked very well for me.

You just need a bigger pipe. :)

Re:slashdot their servers?

[nobodyman]

There's the rub. I'm not.

Re:Interesting...

[LordoftheFrings]

What I really like is that you took this opportunity to flaunt your 21" display. I now have a severe case of Display Envy.

watching the slashdot effect take place

[strider3700]

It's kinda sobbering watching that bit torrent link go through the roof. 30 peers at 600km/s when I connected 60 at 1.5mb/s a minute later and still climbing at the same rate.

Now anyone know how I can watch this without needing to kill my uptime?

Re:watching the slashdot effect take place

[jonabbey]

Xine v0.9.22 worked great for me.

Surprisingly, mplayer did not. I always thought mplayer was ahead of xine in the codec race, but apparently not.

I'm still very impressed with BitTorrent. Very ice design, kids.

Re:watching the slashdot effect take place

[strider3700]

Well I maxed out at 124 k/s just before finishing. the torrent is at 3 MB/s total between 115 peers and 16 seeds. For everyone complaining about it's speed, you are aware that it takes time to spool up for new users? this is a result of the sharing requirement that stops leachers.

I love this protocol

Re:watching the slashdot effect take place

[f-bomb]

Crossover Plugin

Re:watching the slashdot effect take place

[MarcoAtWork]

what version of mplayer do you have? what codecs versions do you have? I have the mplayer from shrike.freshrpms.net and it played the clip flawlessly.

Re:watching the slashdot effect take place

[jonabbey]

I've got the version they have on freshrpms.net. I'm not using any of the win32 dll using codecs, though.. my system (and my home network) is a wholly Windows-free zone.

Re:watching the slashdot effect take place

[MarcoAtWork]

never tried mplayer without the win32 codepack :)

Re:watching the slashdot effect take place

[Jagasian]

I am using a default desktop Redhat 9 install, with apt for rpm, and I used synaptic to install gmplayer from freshrpms (great free service btw).

Anyway, all I had to do was double-click on the file, and I was watching the trailer fullscreen, with post-processing, ultra clean image.

Mplayer works. You just have to install it correctly. If you have trouble installing software, and you are using Redhat, then stop waisting your time and get this! Once you install apt, run and update. Then apt-get install synaptic. After that you can use a GUI to search for mplayer. Install the 3 items that come up in the search results. After that, everything works.

Re:watching the slashdot effect take place

[Jagasian]

Same here, no windows codecs and freshrpms mplayer works perfectly. There are some obscure warez MOVs and RMs that do not play correctly in it... but then they also had problems with just about every other player.

warner bros servers choaking

[LWolenczak]

I'm sitting on an OC-48 and Gig-E and i'm only getting 100K in spuradic bursts of packets.. I'm also loosing the connection before the file is finished... I have yet to get even half the file of the mid sized trailer. :(

Re:warner bros servers choaking

[jroysdon]

Slashdot's 'lameness filter' sucks. I can't even post a snapshot of failed wget session. Anyway:
wget http://progressive.warnerbros.com/thematrix/us/med /revolutions_640_dl.mov

And when it fails after 20 times try again using the partial:
wget -c http://progressive.warnerbros.com/thematrix/us/med /revolutions_640_dl.mov

Don't have wget on your Windows box? Install Cygwin

Re:warner bros servers choaking

[BrainInAJar]

"Don't have wget on your Windows box? Install Cygwin"

Or just don't bother pissing around with Cygwin (still haven't managed to get it working properly) and use wget.exe

Re:warner bros servers choaking

[Darth Gambit]

It's always nice to see a nice fat pipe choak

Re:warner bros servers choaking

[Anonymous Coward]

"I'm also loosing the connection"

Try tightening it then. You didn't by chance mean 'losing' did you?

No spoilers

[Overly Critical Guy]

This was actually discussed at TLFC. This trailer reveals very little. It's a lot of quick-cutting that gives very little away, as opposed to the really long Matrix Reloaded trailer that let you pretty much play connect the dots between scenes as you watched the final film. People complained that the Reloaded trailer contained almost all of the "money shots."

In this one, all you can definitely tell is that there's a final rainy battle with Smith. Otherwise, it's explosions, giant flying machines, and quickly edited shots of some sort of gun battle (finally, gun battles, the thing missing from Reloaded).

Re:No spoilers

[tiled_rainbows]

People complained that the Reloaded trailer contained almost all of the "money shots."

Man, you guys in the US must have seen a totally different edit. I didn't even know there was a hardcore version.

Whoa.

[Mr. Flibble]

Neo: I know how to disable the matrix.

Morpheus: How Neo?

Neo: Post an article about the trailers on slashdot, and slashdot it!

(Neo posts to slashdot...)

Morpheus: It's working, the matrix is breaking down!

(Now, could someone actually tell me what is in the trailer? I am on cable and I can't get it.)

Re:Whoa.

[Overly Critical Guy]

Slashdot is to the internet as Agent Smith clones are to the Matrix!

Re:Whoa.

[harryk]

Get bittorrent silly man.

decent quality trailer, I like the fact that they finally are bringing some light back into the shots.

Its symbolic, a good vs. evil kinda symbol. one of the reasons the first two were so dark.

checkout the bittorrent link!

harryk

Re:Whoa.

[lastninja]

"Unfortunately no one can be told what`s in the trailer ... ..They must experience it for themselves"

Re:Whoa.

[zasos]

in Soviet Russia matrix slashdoted you..

(thanks Mat)

Re:Whoa.

[toriver]

Now, could someone actually tell me what is in the trailer? I am on cable and I can't get it.)

Roughly the same scenes as in the "teaser" after the credits in Matrix Reloaded, plus a couple more. Seems like the Mr. Smith "virus" is really bad for the Matrix. :)

bt is slow

[teklob]

maybe i was just early and lucky, but i am getting about 400k/s from the official website, and only about 30k/s down from bittorrent. maybe they set up some massive pipeline, knowing that it would be tested as soon as they posted the trailer

Re:bt is slow

[teklob]

bt may be slow, but slashdot sure isnt bittorrent is now going much faster, i guess I spoke too soon

Potential spoiler?

[Overly Critical Guy]

Look whose kitchen he's laughing in.

Re:Potential spoiler?

[inertia187]

Well, there were only two kitchens that I remember from the other two films. The Oracle's and that lady with the carving knife who got overridden - the one Neo ran through. Yeah, that's a real spoiler.

LINK=404=TOAST

[Anonymous Coward]

Link is Toast
404 Not Found
The requested URL '/thematrix/us/med%20/revolutions_640_dl.mov' was not found on this server.

thttpd/2.20c 21nov01

Re:LINK=404=TOAST

[Anonymous Coward]

remove the space (%20). computers are difficult, huh?

Re:LINK=404=TOAST

[Anonymous Coward]

There shouldn't be a space(%20) after med.

There is no athlete's foot

[Dark Paladin]

I'm trying to imagine how miserable shooting that scene in the rain was, especially when you realize it probably wasn't done on the first take.

Wearing all those clothes, which are sopping wet, and that water ruining the shoes, getting into the socks, and you've got to run in it -

Granted, I'm sure the actors got a great paycheck out of it. But every time I watch them running in the rain, I can't help but feel for those poor, wrinkled little toes encased in shoes that are screaming "No - keep the mold away! Save us, Gold Bond!"

Re:There is no athlete's foot

[strider3700]

"No - keep the mold away! Save us, Gold Bond!"

You seriously need to get some help.

I've played soccer in the rain for years and never had problems with athletes foot. I doubt that the actors had any issues with the water since they could just go and dry off in a nice hotel room. It looks like the entire shot could be done in a sound stage pretty easily. I have heard them complain that they took a beating doing all the fights and wire work however.

The guys on the helms deep battle for TTT complained that they started getting sick after doing a couple months of night shoots in the simulated rain. That shot was too large to fit into a stage to make it pleasant to work on.

Re:There is no athlete's foot

[inertia187]

Maybe it's a new CG rain engine, so the pretty actors don't have to actually get wet. Maybe not.

Re:There is no athlete's foot

[DeltaSigma]

You are aware they can get some pretty water-tight combat boots right?

Re:There is no athlete's foot

[LeiGong]

Maybe the costume director bought water proof socks. HERE There's another kinda socks that the military give to SEALs and other special forces that are also water proof.

Re:There is no athlete's foot

[Compuser]

yewwww, I think few people even here would think
of Trinity as anything close to sexy.

Re:There is no athlete's foot

[yuvtob]

The stupid thing in that scene is that when you see each of Noe and Smith`s shots when they are running toward each other, the rain is in a ~30 degree angle against BOTH of them. So unless the Architect had something to do with this rain -it's impossible...

Re:There is no athlete's foot

[Davez55]

The rain is going straight down, when you look at the scene just afterwards yhou can see this, it's just that the cameras moving with them while they're running, so it only looks like it's at an angle.....

Re:There is no athlete's foot

[wheany]

Trinity looks like Skeletor.

Re:There is no athlete's foot

[brakk]

I can't help but feel for those poor, wrinkled little toes

Don't you mean "piggies"?

Re:There is no athlete's foot

[Cplus]

Personally I thought that was great, especially the shot immediately after showing the rain going straight down. Definitely not a mistake, but rather a very nice stylistic element.

Have we Slashdotted Time-Warner?

[JayBlalock]

I can't get the file to download. It keeps erroring out or resetting. It looks like they can't hold the connection. Wow. Just wow.

Re:Have we Slashdotted Time-Warner?

[Spytap]

I get server connection resets after about 10 seconds...sheesh

Re:Have we Slashdotted Time-Warner?

[leppi]

use wget:

[....]

00:12:21 (202.46 KB/s) - Connection closed at byte 3633960. Retrying.
00:12:45 (129.40 KB/s) - Connection closed at byte 5860693. Retrying.
00:13:09 (191.46 KB/s) - Connection closed at byte 9888738. Retrying.
00:13:36 (85.02 KB/s) - Connection closed at byte 11602879. Retrying.
00:13:51 (157.34 KB/s) - Connection closed at byte 13091131. Retrying.
00:14:36 (191.56 KB/s) - Connection closed at byte 19682135. Retrying.
00:15:00 (142.33 KB/s) - Connection closed at byte 21819091. Retrying.
00:15:18 (162.42 KB/s) - Connection closed at byte 23366711. Retrying.
00:15:57 (202.18 KB/s) - Connection closed at byte 29524763. Retrying.
00:16:21 (156.53 KB/s) - Connection closed at byte 31670408. Retrying.

00:16:43 (209.72 KB/s) - `revolutions_640_dl.mov' saved [34239231/34239231]

Good job, wget!

Re:Have we Slashdotted Time-Warner?

[statusbar]

What exactly is happening to the server when it does this? Why would it drop connections? What could they have done to improve it?

--jeff++

Did the bittorrent link get /.'d?

[bucketoftruth]

My bittorrent is downloading at 0kB/s and uploading at 0kB/s. I thought it was supposed to speed up with more connections, damnit!

Re:Did the bittorrent link get /.'d?

[kyletinsley]

No, BitTorrent is working fine. We just don't like you.

Re:Did the bittorrent link get /.'d?

[DeltaStorm]

Took me about 8 mins to download.
My upload peaked at about 200kB/s, and it's sitting at around 160kB/s right now. Remember to keep the Torrent open so others can download, I'm leaving mine up all night.

spoiler

[Anonymous Coward]

What do you think of this potential spoiler:
http://www.xzaust.com/index.php?page=mat rix

genuine?

Re:spoiler

[hamster foo]

If it's a fake, it's a really well done fake. The images included seem to be genuine. I stopped reading just in case, but if you're into spoilers there might be something to this.

Re:spoiler

[Jason Scott]

The page you link to is a series of screen grabs from the Matrix Revolutions trailer this story talks about, bookended along the way which appears to be a free-form improvisation of what the Matrix Revolutions plot might be, with just those images.

All of the images in the article are in the Trailer. It is not a leak, but it is a brilliant idea, kind of a new sub-art form; trailer improv. I would love to see more of this work in the future.

Re:spoiler

[hornrimsylvia]

i thought it was fun to read. i don't think it's the real thing, but my brain really wanted a new story.

DDoS attck...

[neutz]

Go check out internetpulse.com

Mmm, how about artificial trailers

[Azethoth666]

Yes: fake trailers that give you an idea of what is in the movie but are ficticious and don't actually apear in the movie. Just think of the abuse though...;-( Or maybe the fake stuff can come from the inevitable added footage of the dvd release. Pretty dry stuff tho, but it would give them incentive to spice up that stuff a little. And then people will totally crave the cool stuff on the dvd. Win win all the way. As a TiVo watcher I am mostly immune to trailers that are not in the first & last spot in a blipvert sequence. But sometimes sheer fatigue creeps up on you, especially in a long pre-campaign like the Matrix.

Oops. Didn't RTFA. My bad. :-D (nt)

[LeiGong]

nt

wget -c to the rescue

[Anonymous Coward]

I kept getting reset as well, but issueing "wget -c http://pdl.warnerbros.com/thematrix/us/med/revolut ions_640_dl.zip" repeatedly eventually got me the whole thing.

IMAX seating

[Azethoth666]

I think what he is trying to say is get seats around the projector - can't beat a projector's eye view.

Here's an idea...

[EvilFrog]

Did anyone ever think that perhaps it would be lighter on their servers if you linked to one of the smaller versions of the trailer? The sooner one person is done hogging the bandwidth, the sooner someone else gets to connect.

Re:[OT] Trolling

[JayBlalock]

Unfortunately, your troll appears to be proven wrong by reality at this moment. The Time-Warner server with "more bandwidth than God" is buckling and constantly resetting connections. I'm online with a load of people, none of us are getting *anything* off the official site. Right now, BT is the only thing managing to serve up the file. Make of that what you will.

Should be arriving on the student network...

[Kris_J]

...any moment now. Why bother downloading it myself when hundreds of students are already overloading our bandwidth quota in an attempt to download it for me?

Omaha sucks!

[KlomDark]

The IMAX here at the Zoo is so lame that they won't play it (Because it's not 'educational'), but then again, they bitch about not making enough money... Stupid stupid people.

Re:Omaha sucks!

[Anonymous Coward]

fyi -- you didn't have to actually include a body to your message...

Re:[OT] Trolling

[MarcoAtWork]

wget has a nice switch '-c' which is supported by the time-warner server, my download got reset probably 20 times, but nice little wget always restarted it right from where it got reset and I d/loaded the trailer at an average of about 120KB/sec (it was doing 270KB/sec often before timing out)

high resolution

[Coneasfast]

hmm, where is the high resolution (1000x540) trailer like they had for reloaded that half the /. readers' had trouble playing because of the very high CPU usage ;)

So is the MPAA still evil this week?

[Chip Salzenberg]

I have a hard time keeping up with the /. collective's mood swings.

Is the MPAA evil because it's part of the Evil Copyright Industry? Or is it cool because it's the source of the Matrix movies?

Or, alternatively: Is it evil because it's the source of the Matrix movies?

Re:So is the MPAA still evil this week?

[dreadnougat]

Well, that depends, was Gigli a great movie that was ruined by text messaging? Does the MPAA directly produce these movies, write the scripts, etc., or is it just a blood sucking parasite that's there to make everone elses life worse?

Re:So is the MPAA still evil this week?

[__aawavt7683]

It would seem the slashdot community works slightly like a religion. They both throw out commonly accepted things when it doesn't fit what they want.

At least, that's how I view it.

-DrkShadow

Re:So is the MPAA still evil this week?

[Chip Salzenberg]

OK, then, WB is evil for supporting the parasite. Or WB is good for producing the Matrix movies. I'm still confused, you see.

Oscar thoughts + next movie quality

[Azethoth666]

Both movies were shot at the same time to avoid that possible actor strike or whatever it was. So ... Revolutions is unlikely to be a better movie (but I am hoping). As for a special effects Oscar, maybe they can pull that off with the extra 8 months of post production, but 8 months doesn't leave room for a hell of a lot of new & innovative fx. Especially not geniunely new & kool fx like bullet time.

Re:Oscar thoughts + next movie quality

[Overly Critical Guy]

They were filmed at the same time to capitalize on the momentum of the series. As if the cast of the most popular sci-film of the 90s would go on strike from doing its two hugely anticipated sequels. Keanu Reeves even gave up some of his pay to help fund the special effects department. Then he bought them motorcycles!

Re:Oscar thoughts + next movie quality

[lucabrasi999]

Why would anybody associated with The Matrix be concerned with anything to do with the Oscars? Seriously, I doubt the Keanu will EVER be nominated for anything, let alone his acting *ability*.

I'll give you that the FX in the series probably warrant a nomination. You could also argue that cinematography merits consideration. Otherwise, this two movies, one Oscar concern is just silly. I mean, come on, the Oscars are for serious movies. Look at the kind of movies that win Oscars: The Godfather (1 & 2), Crouching Tiger, Silence of the Lambs, Schindler's List, Titanic....

Then again, if Titanic could win, then the Matrix is a shoo-in for Best Picture.

Re:[OT] Trolling

[kgarcia]

Hrm... I dunno where you are located... here in the east coast, the "more bandwidth than God" server can serve me at the most 10k/s, but BT just dled nicely at 66-150k (and i'm leaving the torrent window up for others when it's done)... make of that what you will...

No it wasn't

[Chuck Chunder]

The dancing battle was _much_ funnier.

Another Mirror

[MajorBlunder]

I snooped around and found another mirror site as all my downloads from the main site were canceling out and bit torrent is taking for bloody ever!
Try this:
http://www.whatisthescape.de/files/revoluti ons_640 _dl.mov

I managed to get it off there pretty quick. I pray that they have the bandwidth to stand up to a slashdotting.

Re:Another Mirror

[Spytap]

Thank you, after trying the WB servers for three hours, I appreciate this link (now getting 250kps, which is just about as fast as I can).

Re:Interesting...

[Wibla]

it looks good on a 21" CRT too :-)

Re:[OT] Trolling

[nutbuckle]

Maby you should try using one of the aftermarket torrent clients, like the ones that let you cap your upstream. I'm not saying cap it at 5k but cap it so you don't max out your upstream, you'd be suprised how much this improves the bt experiance.

http://bt.degreez.net/ bt client with upstream cap

Re:[OT] Trolling

[Tokerat]

On a pokey 400MHz OS X box, BT is currently getting 155.3K downstream. Go ahread and do wget -c, I didnt' beat the rush. WB's site is timing out like a fucktard. Horray for BT.

Getting 101kBs / Athlon64

[bstadil]

I am getting 101kb down, 17kb up. It will be downloaded when I have finished this comment.

OT

By the way go get the new Athlon64 movie from AMD and watch while you are getting Matrix trailer

Re:Getting 101kBs / Athlon64

[rsborg]

By the way go get the new Athlon64 movie from AMD and watch while you are getting Matrix trailer

Cool!... People, mod up parent!

Re:[OT] Trolling

[styxlord]

There are a lot of peers sitting at 100% and occasionally some peers are getting as much as 700k/sec download speeds, but it looks like everyone is setup to not allow inbound connections (and with the current set of worms on the lose who could blame them). Time for some temporary firewall adjustments.

What I thought of The Animatrix

[Nova Express]

Can be found here. Short answer: Not much.

Unless the pull another ontological shift that undermines the fundamental stupidity of the "human battery" backstory, the series will end with a whimper rather than a bang.

Re:What I thought of The Animatrix

[Nihilanth]

Suspension of Disbelief is right up there with Correlation!=Causality on the list of things that should be banners at the top of each thread here.

The thing is, though, i don't think people are completely oblivious to these comments, its just that its this level of thought that gets eliminated first when people rush to toe the party line and get those warm fuzzies from expressing opinions they thing will garner them praise from people they think are smarter than them.

Oh well.

their web server keeps dropping the fscking dload

[Indy1]

fortunately i just fired up wget -c "link" and every time their server dropped, i just reran it and let wget pick up right where it died.

so....

[j0se_p0inter0]

when does it come out? this year? anyone care to inform a drunken slashdotter? (you'll get a +mod!)

Re:so....

[Spytap]

November 15th
No need to mod up, just helping out.

Re:so....

[j0se_p0inter0]

k,thx. BUT... is it digitally filmed?

Re:so....

[Spytap]

Nope, actual film. It's digitized in the post-production process (as are 95% of films) but as far as the actual filming, it's on good old 35mm :)

Re:so....

[j0se_p0inter0]

see! you got +modded after all. i guess i'll see it in Waco instead of making a trip to the digitheater in Plano. g'night.

Re:so....

[Spytap]

Keep in mind, films can be digitally projected without being shot on digital cameras. The projection process and the shooting process are completely different. Films go through many iterations of digital and analog conversion, and the final product (whether it was shot, edited, or mixed on digital or analog) can be projected on either, so films shot on digital can be projected on good old film print, and films shot on analog, can be converted to be shown Digital Projection (which sucks compared to notmal analog projection, and will for the next couple of years).

Re:bittorent link is dead

[qedigital]

Torrent is back http://www.gametab.com/files/torrents.php?fuse=18

MIRROR!

[jgarland79]

http://66.111.52.10/revolutions_640_dl.mov

Lets see how my server stands up. I always wanted to try this.

Re:MIRROR!

[The Human Cow]

Awesome. Thanks.

Re:MIRROR!

[ccgr]

Christian Computer Game Reviews has the trailer

Note:

[The Human Cow]

For the love of God, stop closing your torrents after you finish downloading them.

Re:IMAX MATRIX!

[warbirdnut]

It was worth the ten bucks to see Monica Bellucci in IMAX.

Re:[OT] Trolling

[mandolin]

Parent should be modded up. Also, thanks to cygwin, you can run wget under windows.

wget is what you want, folks. Happy browsing.

Re:[OT] Trolling

[mrseigen]

I got similar speeds using my K6-2/200 running Debian. Hooray for btdownloadcurses.

IPv6 mirror

[jroysdon]

IPv6 Mirror

Re:IPv6 mirror

[jroysdon]

It's funny how few folks must use IPv6 out there... I figured I'd get a few connections at least, but, nope, none from /.

Re:IPv6 mirror

[jroysdon]

But enough tunneled peers to make it worth while and interesting to gather stats from:

Wed Aug 20 23:21:52 2003 315 2001:1818::2e0:81ff:fe03:73c8 34239231 /pub/matrix/revolutions_640_dl.mov b _ o a mozilla@example.com ftp 0 * c
Wed Aug 20 23:52:53 2003 1216 3ffe:b80:2:2e61::2 25862144 /pub/matrix/revolutions_640_dl.mov b _ o a foo@foo.com ftp 0 * i
Thu Aug 21 00:05:49 2003 251 2001:1448:0:1a:2d0:b7ff:fe7d:dddc 34239231 /pub/matrix/revolutions_640_dl.mov b _ o a -wget@ ftp 0 * c
Thu Aug 21 00:58:05 2003 1202 2002:40af:f7e6::40af:f7e6 49152 /pub/matrix/revolutions_640_dl.mov b _ o a IEUser@ ftp 0 * i
Thu Aug 21 01:04:15 2003 11 2002:ccb:ec3e::ccb:ec3e 114688 /pub/matrix/revolutions_640_dl.mov b _ o a IEUser@ ftp 0 * i
Thu Aug 21 02:14:05 2003 451 evila.danbri.org 34239231 /pub/matrix/revolutions_640_dl.mov b _ o a pldms@mac.com ftp 0 * c
Thu Aug 21 02:51:10 2003 612 2001:8b0:c:1:240:63ff:fecb:fccd 34239231 /pub/matrix/revolutions_640_dl.mov b _ o a ftp@ ftp 0 * c
Thu Aug 21 03:40:15 2003 256 D5778B68.kabel.telenet.be 34239231 /pub/matrix/revolutions_640_dl.mov b _ o a IEUser@ ftp 0 * c
Thu Aug 21 04:32:41 2003 94 2001:7c8:82:0:260:97ff:fe91:877a 5324800 /pub/matrix/revolutions_640_dl.mov b _ o a mozilla@example.com ftp 0 * i
Thu Aug 21 06:16:23 2003 1301 2001:718:1802:1001:74df:b1c0:2c2c:5d8c 34239231 /pub/matrix/revolutions_640_dl.mov b _ o a IEUser@ ftp 0 * c
Thu Aug 21 08:37:33 2003 227 A192216.N1.Vanderbilt.Edu 34239231 /pub/matrix/revolutions_640_dl.mov b _ o a me@me.com ftp 0 * c
Thu Aug 21 12:17:45 2003 13 3ffe:bc0:d7:1:220:78ff:fe04:8775 311296 /pub/matrix/revolutions_640_dl.mov b _ o a mozilla@example.com ftp 0 * i

Oh, and Sprintlink has an IPv6 backbone which customers can tunnel to (2 hops from my external router). NTT/Verio is rumored to be turning up native IPv6 in the US as well. Asia and Europe are big IPv6 users (least IP allocations, most population).

Re:IPv6 mirror

[jroysdon]

I should have done a Google first. It's no rumor, native IPv6 from Verio in the US: NTT/Verio

Score another LEGAL (?!) one for bit torrent.

[WoTG]

Similar story here. WB's site dropped my connection a couple times. So I tried the BT link. It took a couple minutes to ramp up, and I eventually got the file in less than 10 minutes. Probably would have been a lot faster if
1)I didn't read this article so soon (to give more time for the BT ... cluster(?)... to develop) and
2) My upstream wasn't a relatively measly 40KBps.

Now that I think about it, is BT legal in this case? We're probably commiting copywrite infringment by distributing this trailer. Not that anyone's likely to sue... or complain in this case.

Re:[OT] Trolling

[styxlord]

Sure enough download speed went from 1k/sec to over 100k/sec after opening 6881 (the default listening port for BT)

PS. Yes I know the difference between lose and loose, I just think faster than I type :)

For the love of God (SPOILER)

[Tokerat]

WARNING: This post contains opinions, initial (possibly incorrect) reactions, and spoilers. Skip it if that sort of think makes you irratible.

Tell me it's a teaser. Please tell me it's a teaser and this is going to be cleaned up.

I'll be as vague as possible. Watch the "running down the street to punch each other" scene. Notice they're running, running...suddenly they're standing still for the slow motion shot? Messy. Do a frame by frame. Notice they don't even connect, and the flash is used to distract form that. By the time your eyes stop hurting, they're already reeling. You can tell both these films where shot at the same time...they look hurried. Everything else is very well lit and kind of phony looking, none of the dark errie reality of the original. Still, can't wait to see this amazing helicopter finale they made such a big deal about.

My torrent window is still open and uplink speed is about 40k give or take. <APPRICIATE>

PS: Is it just me, or has even the encrypted green text become cheesier with every Matrix release?

And no, I'm not trolling.

Re:For the love of God (SPOILER)

[Triv]

Watch the "running down the street to punch each other" scene. Notice they're running, running...suddenly they're standing still for the slow motion shot? Messy.

No dude, it's just a trailer. How many times have you seen the best 30 seconds of a movie strung together in a reasonably coherent fashion for an ad? It's the same thing here. Yes, it was a bad cut, but it was a bad cut in the trailer, not the movie. I'll bet you those two shots don't even come concurrently in the actual film.

Triv

Re:For the love of God (SPOILER)

[Tokerat]

Well, that's what I'm hoping for. And yea, they did it to us for Reloaded (the Agent Smith scene)....

Perhaps they want to make this movie look like it is going to suck because they know we're all gonna see it just to find out how it ends, and if we go in thinking "Boy this sucks", the movie will rule no matter what!

...but now I sound like Penny Arcade or something. ;-)

Re:For the love of God (SPOILER)

[gl4ss]

the bodies are supposed to stop(or look like that), so that all motion energy they have goes into their fists and then all that motion energy is transferred to each other(through their faces, none the less) so they end up flying out of it(as if they had ran straight through eachother, sort of, except they changed places).

yeah.. hmm. doesn't make much sense but then it's not supposed to even be the real world you know, rocket jumping in quake doesn't make much sense.

and yes the scrolling matrix stuff has gotten cheesier everytime, i'm not that sure of the 'cleaness' though(apart from zion, that was pretty clean. might be because they got nothing else to do than clean though). the clean look isn't at least that obvious and fake when comparing between matrix and matrix reloaded as it is with episode 4 and episode 1 of starwars..

well, the real spoily things were the question whether the fortune teller and her associate are on neo's side ultimately..

Re:For the love of God (SPOILER)

[Tokerat]

My post reads harsh, appologies for that, first off.

I guess I'm thinking more traditional action scene style...It just didn't seem to me that even in the style of the Matrix movies they should stop like that for dramatic license...it just doesnt' seem to fit right, I picked it out as a great big "HUH?" right away...Perhaps it just wasn't exectuted well, or prehaps too much hype is frying my perception, and I "expect" more or different?

This is why IANAMC (I am not a movie critic). :-)

Re:[OT] Trolling

[krogoth]

despited what anyone says, a fast ftp mirror is always better for downloading a linux distro. You'd be out of your damn mind to use torrent for shit like this.

See my website for contact information for the OC-48 you're getting me.

Right now, I'm sitting here, trying to see if this torrent will work at all. It's downloading at a nice rate of 5k/second, and my upload pipe is maxed out.

I always limit the upload rate to a few KB/s less than I can handle - if you knew anything about TCP, you would too.

Thankfully, the godly wget will be able to help me out once the crappy python bt client fails.

Wow, it's so kind of you to buy a fast connection for every site that has downloads!

If you're having slow download speeds using BT

[styxlord]

Try opening up (temporarily of course) 6881 so that peers can connect to you. My download speed went from 1k/sec to over 100k/sec.

Re:If you're having slow download speeds using BT

[styxlord]

it only needs the higher ports if it fails on the first one, but it could hardly hurt :)

Re:If you're having slow download speeds using BT

[Billly Gates]

Download speed went down from 12k to 8k on my system when I did this. I think I am ready to firewall my system again. ( I use Windows when I view mpegs ).

Perhaps it has to do with location. I live in Las Vegas and not in LA or Phoenix where closer peers would help the download speed. Perhaps bt is not finding alot of peers that are in LA or SF. They should at least provide speeds up to 60-80k a second.

Re:IMAX MATRIX!

[spectral]

i saw it in the imax in rochester on the imax opening day. it wasn't full. we bought our tickets right there, went in about 10 minutes before it started, and found 8 decent seats in a row for us all to sit in..

I'd avoided seeing it up until then, I'm glad I did.. I liked it. Not as good as the first, but it was still decent. I think revolutions will prolly be better, though..

yet another direct link

[Anonymous Coward]

http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/movie-trailers/ matrix_revolutions_trailer_T1.mov

I saw something else....

[lost_n_mad]

I cruised the news section, and it had finally been updated. Lots of yadda yadda about trailers and then this:
RLRT htpd tscdrb gntst
My |33t sp34k is weak so any guesses?

Same Trailer?

[ToteAdler]

Is this the same trailer that was after the credits of Reloaded?

Re:Same Trailer?

[TerraFrost]

Is this the same trailer that was after the credits of Reloaded?

no. there is new footage. specifically...

15 and a half seconds into the quick time trailer, we see the guy who protected the oracle in the matrix reloaded fighting someone.

18 seconds in the quick time trailer, we see an extended scene with agent smith looking weird, and having a creepy smile.

immediatly after that scene, we see neo flying up.

55 seconds into it, we see trinity, morpheus, and the oracle's bodyguard shooting, and then we see the people they're shooting at

immediatly after that, we see trinity doing her token kick, and then an exploding ship, a bunch of people pointing guns at the chinese dude, and a bunch of other stuff that i don't want to enumerate. suffice to say, this trailer *is* different. well, i should also add that in the quick time trailer there is one extra agent smith in the long long of agent smiths, hehe :)

if you don't believe me, you can download the original here, open it up in Virtual Dub, and open the quick time trailer up in EO Video, or TMPGEnc, with a quicktime filter. you can additionally see the original trailer when it comes out on the DVD. it'll be at the end of the 10 minute credits, just like it was at the theatre.

and i am aware of one other trailer out... you can download it, here. i believe, although i'm not 100% sure, that this trailer was at the end of the game, enter the matrix.

Re:Same Trailer?

[Nihilanth]

the oracles guardian is called Seraph, btw.

LOL

[2nd Post!]

You're mixing an emotional judgement with a functional and political one.

Quicktime is crap because Apple upgraded days after you bought it; that's emotional, and has no bearing on technology, functionality, or politics.

Quicktime is available to 99% of the viewing public: Built into the Mac, and often installed on PCs. Why? Because Apple invented (or very nearly did so) the computer video industry *with* Quicktime. Old habits die hard. That's politics/legacy.

As for technology? Apple Quicktime 6 treats mpeg4 *as* a native format. *If* the industry ever supports mpeg4, why do you think it won't be played back on 99% of computers as Quicktime? IE, mpeg4 encoded, quicktime contained.

Then there's functionality. I've already mentioned mpeg4; for all you know, this trailer is *already* encoded in mpeg4. It could be Sorenson3 or any of a number of other officially supported codecs. If you want divx, there's nothing stopping Apple from adopting divx... except of course that you would still be bitching because you don't get what you want... Raw video :)

If you don't want to transcode it..? I dunno what options you have, except possibly getting an mpeg4 capable DVD player and hoping the industry adopts Apple's Quicktime Mpeg4.

How to avoid the rst

[Silicon Snake]

Just use a download manager like Reget (www.reget.com), or any manager that automatically opens new/multiple sessions. If warner resets your connection, the manager will just open another one (or multiple sessions) to compensate. I just downloaded the trailer in 2 min., after failing several times with Opera.

Don't need to view link

[robogun]

Matrix Recycled -- I mean, Reloaded, WAS the trailer for 3. Honestly, that movie was a huge disappointment for me. Absolutely nothing new there. The storyline was so vague, only thing that sticks in my mind was the Cadillac product placement. I'll probably check out 3 after release on DVD.

Try a little initiative

[The Ancients]

Apart stating the obvious fact that .mov is a better container format than .avi (yes I know divx is a file format), why did you want QT Pro? If it's for full screen on a Mac try:

http://www.webmastermac.com/tips/quicktime/qtfulls creen.shtml

Re:Try a little initiative

[NewtonsLaw]

Apart stating the obvious fact that .mov is a better container format than .avi (yes I know divx is a file format), why did you want QT Pro?

Because I wanted to be able to deliver my video content to Apple users in a format they are familiar and happy with.

My experience with QT has left a sour taste in my mouth for other reasons -- the built-in update system on QTPro never worked (the webpage it tried to access to simply didn't exist) and the two-stage loader system that appeared to require one to be online to install it was a pain when using an slow, unreliable dial-up connection.

And I'd wager that more computers had MPEG capability as a standard capability) than have QT capability.

Besides which, none of this addresses my main complaint is that I can't burn a DVD-compatible disk without transcoding QT into MPEGx format and that's a slow process that also introduces degradation of the image.

Since it's only a trailer, surely they'd be happy to allow people to download a file they can burn to SVCD/DVD-R/RW and lend to their mates who don't have PCs or fast Net connections?

Re:Try a little initiative

[The Ancients]

I can't comment on the update system as I have never had an issue with it. As for installation this may be what you are (were?) looking for:

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/standalone /

Transcoding, I agree 100%. Unless of course they like repeatedly serving up content to thousands upon thousands of internet junkies...

the music

[Hes Nikke]

anyone know what the name/artist for the music tracks in that trailer are?

i like and i want :D

Re:the music

[Sangloth]

The techno-ish music at the beginning sounds like Juno Reactor to me, and the drums at the end are certainly Juno Reactor. I'd guess that the chorus in the middle is Don Davis, who did the ochestral music for Reloaded.

I don't have any facts to back up my assertion, but I listen almost exclusively to Juno Reactor, and have a good idea of their sound. Furthermore, Juno Reactor and Don Davis did a good portion of the music to Reloaded, and both are definitely doing music for Revalations.

Although I admitted I'm not a 100% sure, I'm fairly sure, and on definite steady ground.

Being a devote fan of Juno Reactor, I encourage all readers to visit The Reactor Leak. The front page acknowledges they are doing music for Revalations with Don Davis again.

Sangloth
I'd appreciate any comment with a logical basis...it doesn't even have to agree with me.

Re:the music

[Anonymous Coward]

Fluke - Absurd (Whitewash Edit)

Re:the music

[bill_mcgonigle]

All I can say is I hope it doesn't matter. As in somebody hits the Wachowskis with a clue-by-four and lets them know that the music in Reloaded was by far the biggest contributor to the slow, dull feel of the movie.

The fast, rocking/techno music was integral to the experience of The Matrix, but then they got a big budget and an orchestra. Yawn.

I'm waiting for a phantom edit with better music (and, of course, no rave-well-it-was-cool-in-Blade scene).

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trailer in mpg format

[vivek7006]

is available here. It is about 11MB in size.
mpeg trailer

Re:trailer in mpg format

[helix400]

Whoa!

I'm on a 56K V.90 connection (connected at 46.6), and I downloaded it at a steady 12.0 KB/s! How in the world is that possible? This .mpg file is basically already compressed right? The previous max I've seen was somewhere around 7 or so. Any clues why I'm suddenly getting such a high rate?

Re:trailer in mpg format

[Adam9]

It's a glitch in the matrix. Run. Now. Take the door to your right, go down the hallway, go down the stairs, make a left, open the front door, and make a left on Pinecross St. then a right on St. Bernard's, after that, there will be two pills on the counter in the pastry shop on the left. Choose one.

Re:trailer in mpg format

[sehryan]

This isn't the new trailer. This is the EOM Trailer that has been out for quite a while.

The new trailer starts by focusing in on Neo when he looks to be laying on the ground.

Re:trailer in mpg format

[darthgoat]

that is not the same trailer.

that is the one at the end of the Enter The Matrix game.

How about eMule / eDonkey links?

[Jeffool]

Seriously. I mean, I see folks complaining about BitTorrent links not working. How about some old fashioned Peer2Peer answers? And seeing as Kazaa is kinda unreliable, how about eMule links?

I mean, it's open source, it only takes one person to 'verify' the links. (The poster, in a Slashdot posting case.) No servers to bother with. I mean, c'mon. It just makes sense.

Jeffool.

Re:Trailer dupe

[Dh2000]

Incorrect, this trailer has quite a bit (+15 secs) more footage. :)

It would better be called a remix of the first trailer..

Warner Bros - We meet again.

[The Revolutionary]

Now, I know that on Slashdot as of late it has been decided that we will no longer be permitted to discuss things as the following when a shiny new movie is released (as I have well found out by previous moderation), but I thought I would nonetheless try once again.

Why have things changed? Why don't we talk about such things anymore?

Since this is a story about Warner Bros, and given the many Slashdot stories about this fine corporation and its parent company, as well as several regarding a prominent trade organization to which it belongs, I could not help but conclude the following ought to be both relevant and on topic.

To start, I dropped a little write-up in my journal which may or may not have some entertainment value for you.

That said, I spent a minute or two and started collecting a few rather uninteresting links.

Perhaps Slashdot readers can contribute to this woefully inadequate list?
It would be quite nice to have all of the information in one place, so that it can be referenced by a simple link in future stories where it is relevant, as is this one.

Warner Bros orders 15 year-old Christie Chan to turn over www.harrypotternetwork.net.

Warner Bros orders www.harrypotterisawizard.co.uk to be handed over.

Warner Bros orders 15 year-old Claire Field to turn over www.harrypotterguide.co.uk.

Warner Bros demands 10 year-old daughter hand over www.harry-potter-magic.co.uk.

Because Warner Bros cares so much about you, you can not be allowed access to a signal sent into your house, and not even to exercise widely presumed fair use rights over its content.

And say, has anyone heard about something called DeCSS or the DMCA?

My memory is a bit foggy on this point, but I seem to recall something or another about Warner Bros being involved here? Does it ring a bell for anyone else? Maybe not.

Re:Warner Bros - We meet again.

[thebatlab]

But it's the trilogy finale! We can't boycott yet!! I need to know what happens! Is he a machine? Is the matrix inside another matrix? Is it all "just a movie".

Can we get all pissy about the stuff you mentioned after this movie comes out? Ok, awesome. Thanks :)

Re:Warner Bros - We meet again.

[Anonymous Coward]

Since this is a story about Warner Bros

Is it? I thought it was a story about a movie, which had a trailer recently released. Warner Bros. are mentioned, and they are attached to the movie, but they are not what this story is about.

Perhaps you should submit your own story *about* Warner Bros, with lots of information, and without the "woe is me" bit regarding how unfair it is for you to be moderated down when posting something that is only related to the real topic through *one* of the entities involved. I'd also suggest finding more sources for information.. more widespread sources than The Reg. Then, perhaps, you could get a rousing conversation going about how evil this company is.. or, if it's rejected, you have something slightly more satisfying to complain about than "did you see that? I was modded down as soon as I said this! Censorship in action! I mean, sure, it wasn't removed, and anyone who cares to can still read what I said, but it's still censorship!!!1!"

You may also want to learn the difference between being moderated down and not being permitted to discuss things.

Re:Warner Bros - We meet again.

[jafuser]

My solution to this is to simply set up an automatic monthly recurring donation to the EFF. I've been doing it for nearly two years now, and I recall that it was fairly easy to set up.

Re:Warner Bros - We meet again.

[Kallahar]

Did it ever occur to you that maybe some people are anti movie-industry but that some people are pro movie-industry? Did it occur to you that slashdot is run by an entire community?

There isn't one voice, there isn't one agenda, and lumping everyone into a "slashdot crowd" is an overgeneralization. Slashdot presents stories that it's readers have found to be interesting. It's not some plutocracy deciding what we should be reading and thinking.

Re:Warner Bros - We meet again.

[aminorex]

You have a moral decision to make: Which is the
greater evil, paying Warner Bros. for their product,
or waiting until the digital rip on Kazaa?

Re:Warner Bros - We meet again.

[Bull999999]

Who knows? Maybe humans aren't being used as batteries, rather their collective brain powers are used (like clustered computers) for creating Matrix.

Re:Warner Bros - We meet again.

[drunkenbatman]

They sent me a cease & desist over drunkenbatman.com, but backed off after I made it clear I wasn't just going to give it up, after a whole rigamarole it came down to "We're prepared to walk away from this as long as it isn't used commercially".

d/l probs

[rognvaldr]

wget -c ...love it

8 & 4???

[NETHED]

The last part of the trailer (where the title of the movie is) has on character and the numbers 4 and 8, repeating in sets of 2 and 3, respectively. What is this??

Re:8 & 4???

[NETHED]

and I hate to be the moron who replies to himself, but also the number 3 is inverted and mirrored once(that I've spotted). Have the brotha's put something in there?

Few observations

[vivek7006]

Niobe: Neo ...

Morpheus: He fought for us !!

What does that mean? Is neo human or is he a program or is he a machine? Wichoskis are fscking my brain...... Someone help!

Re:Few observations

[BoneFlower]

After the architect was talking about how Neo had to merge his code back into the Matrix, it sounded like he was a program.

How to get it.

[Phybersyk0]

I've done some hunting and found another server that file is being served on. click HERE. you'll be glad you did.

I was getting a ton of disconnects with the URL that is on the Matrix website, so I searched for another way.

i just examined the URLs of other trailers and got lucky i guess.

By the way, this is officially the 3th Trailer:

• 1st was at the end of Reloaded,
• 2nd was at the end of the Enter the Matrix (crap) game (only the Hacking-system was moderately cool). (extra footage that isn't shown in the third one, namely "the Trainman" (played by Bruce Spence of "Mad Max" fame -- the pilot with the bad teeth))
• Third: this one.

anyway, there are already numerous attempts to figure out the storyline, most of which is fairly obvious/predictable... but who cares.

agent smith rules.

Re:How to get it.

[Jman314]

All right! It's coming in at nearly 70 KB/s. It did max out my DSL at 100 KB/s for a while. Thanks! I was wondering where the links to aol's servers were.

Now if only this link wouldn't get /.ed until I finish...

Re:[OT] Trolling

[CySurflex]

Unfortunately, your troll appears to be proven wrong by reality at this moment

Absolutely!

I'm getting 120 KB/s down with BT right now. (and it's uploading at 10kb/s) on my SBC DSL. It'll take about 3 minutes by the time its done. The official link aborted about 1MB three times.

Re:Safe as trailer in Matrix 2?

[kyletinsley]

"For those wondering, there is more to it than you saw at the end of Reloaded."

I should fucking hope so, considering the 'trailer' at the end of Reloaded showed you as close to "nothing" as physically possible...

Re:[OT] Trolling

[Billly Gates]

..and on a modern athlonXP box its crawling between 4k -9k second. I have always had bad luck with bittorrent and have never gotten any good download speeds.

fanboys, untie!

[randyest]

OK, you know what? I read all the comments, and it seems everyone was afraid to say this (perhaps to avoid being labeled a fanboy?), but that trailer rocked my world , and I'm not ashamed to admit it.

I can't effin wait to see the end to this.

Re:fanboys, untie!

[Li0n]

no, please, remain tied, for pity's sake!
shit, we're gonna need more rope...

Re:fanboys, untie!

[tgrigsby]

Ok, dammit, I'll admit it:

That trailer did NOT rock my world.

Sorry, but it just looks stupid. 50 million Smiths watching gauntlet-style while Neo and (the original?) Smith duke it out. They both hit at the same time, "Rocky II" style, and knock each other back. Yawn. Trinity gets to do the in-the-air cartwheel while shooting, and does her float-up-Karate-Kid-kick, both stolen from the first Matrix. They apparently break up an S&M club, which I suppose is different, but in the middle of it Mr. Kung Fu gets 50 guns pointed at him inches from his face and he doesn't flinch. Yawn again. Oh, and there are explosions. Surprise.

There appear to be mountain sized crustaceans fighting on the side of the machines. That's kinda cool. And what do the humans have? Mech suits, a la "Alien II". Aerial acrobatics by the seekers counterpoint to the mysteriously super sexy smooch between Trinity (yowza) and Neo (Super Predictable Man) make for the only high point in the trailer.

I'm looking forward to seeing the Animatrix. But this looks like it's going to be a let down.

Now here're some ideas they could have used:

1. Smith turns out to be humananity's salvation simply because he's the one variable the Matrix didn't foresee.

2. The Oracle turns out to be another manifestation of the Matrix controller, and hence a bad guy in disguise.

3. Neo loses the fight against Smith and can't return to the Matrix, but it doesn't matter because now his powers weirdly extend into the real world -- which, as it turns out, is a Matrix-like construct that even the Matrix hasn't detected.

4. Or better yet, it has detected it and is trying in some fashion to subvert it, and that's why it wants Neo, recognizing in him a link to this uber-Matrix.

Ok, yeah, it's late and I'm babbling.

eMule / eDonkey link

[Jeffool]

Matrix Revolutions 640 mov.rar

Jeffool.

Re:eMule / eDonkey link

[Ziviyr]

Why is RAR popular? Its really annoying to get a hold of, its near impossible to find free when it is found, etc.

Isn't the fricking quicktime already compressed?

Edonkey

[cca93014]

I dont have any luck with bittorrent. For those that run an edonkey client, the hash is here:

ed2k://|file|revolutions_640_dl.mov|34239231|25F 18 0DC6AA5324F2B04BBBC7C6C9C82|/

Re:Edonkey

[5lash]

That link wouldnt work for me, I found this on Jigle though:

ed2k://|file|matrix_revolutions_640_dl.mov|34239 231|25F180DC6AA5324F2B04BBBC7C6C9C82|/

AAC audio, libfaad

[aSiTiC]

For those of us trying to watch this trailer with Linux and Mplayer, Xine, et al.... Can anyone provide info on getting the audio track to play nicely?

Re:AAC audio, libfaad

[superjaded]

"Nicely?" How is it "not nice" for you?

I'm running mplayer 0.91 and it sounds fine right out of the box. Using libfaad2 1.1.

Of course, I'm using OSS with a stereo speaker system with sound that only comes out of the right channel, so I may not be able to accurately judge whether or not something sounds nice. :P But no real problems on my end.

I'm having more problems on the video end myself.. first time in a LONG time that I've gotten one of those "Your system is too SLOW to play this!!" messages.

Re:AAC audio, libfaad

[qwertyatwork]

You need the faad2 codec for the sound.

Information theory clue-stick needed

[Sanity]

Does it irritate anyone else when people try to further compress already compressed media files? I mean - they should have a compulsory information theory test before people are allowed to use tools like zip and gzip.

(For those that don't know what I am talking about, the BitTorrent file is zipped).

Re:Information theory clue-stick needed

[Anonymous Coward]

Most people zip files for the archive format's CRC checking facilities. rar files with the appropriate options is able to correct minor errors rather then just bitch about incorrect checksum or CRC.

What really annoys me is people doing this for files that will be encoded using FEC on freenet.

Re:Information theory clue-stick needed

[Nurf]

Does it irritate anyone else when people try to further compress already compressed media files? I mean - they should have a compulsory information theory test before people are allowed to use tools like zip and gzip.

Not really, because I realise that you can often do better than the entropy coding in the compression format. It has to be fast, and it might be compressing the stream without examining the whole stream beforehand. Hence you can often gain a few percent with zip or whatever.

I am currently working on my own codec, which, at the moment, doesn't use any entropy coding at all. Its better than MPEG-2, but not quite as good as MPEG-4 yet, but I have a long list of things still to do. I may not add entropy coding... it just might not gain me enough size to be worth it given the speed penalty.

I think the operative word in your subject line was "theory". In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, you rarely get a chance to optimally apply the theory.

Re:[OT] Trolling

[Prof.Phreak]

I got it off the official site (during the 'rush'), and I got it fairly quickly. Just do:

wget -c http://whateverurl

It will restart it a few times, quit, and all you have to do is start it up again (up-arrow then enter)... that's it. I think it took me 4 times to start it up again, and that's about it.

Oh, and it wasn't a slow connection.

Slashdotted...

[SJ]

Why is it that companies out there always try and reinvent the wheel and usually die trying?

There are companies out there who have proven that they can host movie trailers without dieing under the load.

Re:Sigh

[MacGod]

It suggests Agent Smith takes over the Oracle. That's a potentially big spoiler. Why else would he be in her kitchen laughing maniacally?

This could possible be because the actress who played the Oracle, Gloria Foster passed away before Revolutions was filmed. Agent Smith in the Oracle's kitchen could be a "workaround" for not having the Oracle in the film at all.

perfect

[tonyt]

wow, the matrix is awesome when there's no plot or dialogue.

Spoilers

[cubicledrone]

Yep. Morpheus is a rouge program. It was all a dream. Trinity is an employee at Video-Rental King. Neo is still asleep at his computer with "Wake up Neo" blinking on the screen. Cypher owns a steak restaurant in the Matrix.

The first two movies were an elaborate misdirection to conceal the fact that Mouse is The One.

Re:I just realised a huge plothole.

[Nihilanth]

the heat is supposedly combined with some form of fusion, which would generate more power than is fed into it in the form of heat.

people who make gripes like this typically strike me as someone who should drop sci-fi altogether and stick to something like pulp-romance novels or maybe comic strips.

its called suspending disbelief, it tends to make things more enjoyable.

Re:[OT] Trolling

[Tokerat]

I wonder if this has anything to do with how BitTorrent finds peers? I'm not really up to speed on it... perhaps your... heh...
<C|NETMODE>"location in cyberspace"</C|NETMODE> has something to do with it?

As in maybe I get good speeds because I'm on RoadRunner and my local subnet has plenty of Torrent users? Anyone want to comment?

Re:[OT] Trolling

[Matrix2110]

Sorry, Man. I would have modded you up but I felt the need to post.

First off, I am not ragging on the Linux users.

Secondly, Why are not more /. Windows users using shareware such as Download Mage to allow multiple threads and resume functionality?

Thirdly, Using said software I managed to procure the trailer in normal DSL times. I have to say it looks pretty cool, but I am not going whip myself into a frenzy like I did for the second movie.

Finally, There is way too much bitching about downloading in this thread. Downloading is a good thing.

Even when it sucks.

WGET-able mirror

[braddeicide]

wget -c http://pdl.warnerbros.com/thematrix/us/med/revolut ions_640_dl.zip

The other warnerbros URL doesn't allow wget to download it, this one does. Make sure you auto resume though cause it drops out. Gettin 8-5kb/s.

Eh

[MikeMJH]

The subject says it all. I wasn't terribly impressed with the trailer, though Smith is still a badass.

I want to see that 14 minute battle

[Travoltus]

That is the only freaking thing I will be coming to see.

LOTR2 trailer had a terrible spoiler too

[caitsith01]

I couldn't agree more, they put waaay too much into trailers sometimes. In the Two Towers trailer, they actually went so far as to show that Gandalf was alive even though as far as the plot and the characters were concerned he was dead as of the end of the first movie. To me this is the equivalent of making a trailer for the Empire Strikes back and putting in a clip of Darth Vader saying "I am your father!" and Luke screaming "No!!!"

Yeah, yeah, I know we all know that Gandalf was going to live because we're cool and we read the books, but perhaps there were people out there who didn't know, and after all it's the principle of the thing. The worst part is that you can't escape the trailers when you go to see a movie.

Re:LOTR2 trailer had a terrible spoiler too

[wossName]

Well I haven't read the books (uh oh, now I'm going to get lynched), but it was perfectly clear to me that Gandalf wasn't dead. It was in the way he told the fellowship to run, and then let go of the edge he was hanging on to. The only way to make it more obvious would have been showing him performing a flip. Plus, we didn't see the body.

Re:LOTR2 trailer had a terrible spoiler too

[calethix]

*spolier alert*

let's hope they don't show the phoenix in the next xmen trailer :)

Re:LOTR2 trailer had a terrible spoiler too

[calethix]

I disagree. I always kind of wondered why Aragorn or anyone stronger than a hobbit didn't pull Gandalf back up but I don't think he necessarily planned on defeating the blarog and being brought back as Gandalf the White.

I took it as more of a self sacrificing move for the good of the fellowship. He knew that if they tried to help him, there would be a better chance they would be captured or someone else would get killed.
That was my interpretation anyway.

Re:LOTR2 trailer had a terrible spoiler too

[BoneFlower]

I thought he had been dead too... hold the line so the rest could escape.

And, they weren't entirely clear in the movies, but in the books it is made clear that his mortal shell was in fact killed. Gandalf is basically an angel, who came to Middle Earth along with the rest of the Wizards to help organize resistance against Sauron, a fallen angel. He was the only one to remain on the path, and one of only two(out of five) to stay on the side of good.

Re:LOTR2 trailer had a terrible spoiler too

[Anonymous Coward]

That was a production/directorial decision not to give Gandalf's return spoiler potential. Trying to keep it a secret would have been next to impossible: Ian McKellen's name is all over the posters and opening credits, he's involved in some pivotal scenes and an amazing actor, and any mention of his or the character's name (by a reviewer or by someone who'd seen it or read the book) would have spoiled it. They were smart to show him in the trailer, because the audience was excited about his return and waiting for it. Very nicely handled.

Re:LOTR2 trailer had a terrible spoiler too

[Conspir8or]

Perhaps Gandalf let himself go b/c he knew he could ultimately take the Balrog down. And that if he knew he had a chance to do it, he should take it, lest Sauron call this reawakened foe to his side to add to his muster. So he fell, guessing that if nothing else, the fall alone wouldn't destroy him permanently ... and might lead Sauron and/or Saruman to believe he was dead. (See Bond, James Bond, in You Only Live Twice)

IIRC, Gandalf had a similar fear re: Smaug, and was thinking of ways to eliminate him before Sauron put him in the lineup ... at which point he met Thorin, who wanted the dragon taken out for other reasons, etc., and they told two friends, and so on, and so on ....

Re:LOTR2 trailer had a terrible spoiler too

[Jhan]

Perhaps Gandalf "let go" because a thousand pounds of falling balrog was physically connected to his leg?? The balrog, as he fell, snagged Gandalfs leg with his whip!

Re:LOTR2 trailer had a terrible spoiler too

[Conspir8or]

I think the whip snagged and pulled his leg, but let go or snapped free after a second or three. When Gandalf finally fell, the Balrog looked like a little glowing dot. From memory, it seemed that from his scrabbling to get up, to "Fly, you fools!", the whip, Balrog, or both were no longer still clinging to Gandalf.

Not to get all Zapruder film or anything. :)

Re:LOTR2 trailer had a terrible spoiler too

[aaronvegh]

Here's a funny story for those of you who think everyone's read the book.

I was hosting a party after FOTR came out, and one guy there contributed to our conversation about the movie with this gem: "Is it just me, or did that movie leave you hanging there a bit?"

Implying that a) he didn't know it was the first of a trilogy of books/movies; and b) he had never even heard of the whole LOTR phenomenon prior to seeing the movie! Outrageous!

Needless to say, the party stopped dead right there, and we all proceeded to mock him ceaselessly. Poor bastard. :-)

Re:LOTR2 trailer had a terrible spoiler too

[Johnny5000]

I dunno... For all we know Gandalf could have been like Obi Won coming back from the dead. He's in the movie, but not really alive.

Re:LOTR2 trailer had a terrible spoiler too

[Wraithlyn]

Just curious, where did you read that the other Wizards went bad?

I assume the other "good" Wizard you are referring to is Radaghast the Brown.

I have searched the trilogy and the Simarillion for some mention of the other two, but they are never named, and it says they vanished into the east or south, if I recall.

Re:LOTR2 trailer had a terrible spoiler too

[BoneFlower]

I can't recall where I saw it, but I did see that the two black wizards went east, and at least one of them started working for the Corsairs southeast of Mordor. But the only two actively working for good in any case were Gandalf and Radagast, and only Gandalf fully held to the original mission.

Might have been the Book Of Lost Tales, but I'm not sure. Or maybe "The Tolkien Reader"... I do know I've seen it in some dead tree print..

Re:LOTR2 trailer had a terrible spoiler too

[BoneFlower]

oops should have said "blue wizards"

Re:Go read the LOTR books

[Billly Gates]

The books are different and alot better. I just finished the first movie after I finished the book. What a difference. The movie was mediocre.

In the book there are whole different adventures on the way to Modor that have been deleted out for the sake of lousy action scenes. For example did you know that Gandalf actually sent Strider to meet up with Frodo? Or that the riders did not know where Frodo was and were confused for the first third of the book? Or the whole crew got eaten up by a tree way before they entered the bar "prancy poney"?

Also their are many stories about middle earth that are not in the movie that will make you appreciate the movies more.

It was a climax because you wondered how they would throw off the riders next. They went through whole shortcuts in swamps and forests to throw them off. It was way after the prancing poney did the riders know for sure where Frodo was going. Infact the riders can only see him with the ring and not automatically know where he is the second he puts the ring on. THey still can sniff it if Frodo is close however.

I will not spoil it for you but the subplots were deffinetly different. Go read the first 2 books and then watch the movie last. This way you will not be spoiled and know more about middle earth that was deleted from the movies. Then you can finish return of the king on your own.

Re:Sigh

[Ryan Amos]

No, the oracle was replaced. They used her replacement in Enter the Matrix and wrote off the new actress with some retarded one-line explanation. Hopefully that won't be part of the movie, but the game is supposedly Matrix canon, so that's probably the official story.

Re:[OT] Trolling

[LordLucless]

If your behind NAT, redirect ports 6881-6889 to your bittorrenting PC. I got shite download rates before I did this, now it maxes my DSL downstream in seconds.

It's just a metaphor

[Fantastic Lad]

for those who would have trouble digesting the reality. (ie, most of us.)

Think 'chi energy' rather than electrical or heat energy, and think 'alien' instead of 'machine', and you're getting closer. (Alien, like the ones Neo and Trinity are made up to look like on the box cover of the first film with their fancy and specially designed sunglasses.)

Also, rather than the 'matrix' being a computer generated affair into which we are all plugged, think in broader terms. The directors of The Matrix were either being very deliberate in their actions, or they were channeling some serious shit from one of the many groups which send such messages.

While the first film had its corruptions, (the grey-alien-as-savior references being a big one), the second film seemed to me a completely screwed up jumble. --Which, incidentally is how the real matrix works; it likes to mess around with incoming data which has been identified as having the potential to enlighten.

--I'm just glad that all three of the Lord of the Rings films were shot at the same time, far, far away from the clutches of Hollywood!

-FL

Re:I just realised a huge plothole.

[Lurch Kimded]

If you combine fusion with this then it could be possible... maybe... kinda...

Matrix 3 vs. LOTR 3

[danila]

Am I the only one who was bored to hell with the recent ROTK trailer? To me there was almost nothing original there, the same old shots of the same old characters. More of the same, especially since Jacko decided to make TTT a movie about Helm's Deep battle and saturated us with the cavalry shots or orc shots or battering ram shots.

Compared to that Matrix 3 looks (at least to me personally and from the trailers that I saw) really fresh and new, which is a surprise, since it should have been just another greenish-hued film about the same old trinity (Neo+Trinity+Morpheus).

I don't know what is that Wachowski brothers have that allows them to make original and innovative sequels (yes, Matrix 2 had it's flows and we haven't seen the third installment yet). Good filmmaking skills may be or is that too banal?

Re:Matrix 3 vs. LOTR 3

[Awptimus Prime]

I really didn't like the last Matrix movie, save the special effects and fight scenes. Maybe I'm getting old and angry, but the acting wasn't all that great.

The movie did look awesome when I saw it on IMAX. You could see that the cars doing flips on the highway, during that one scene, didn't have motors in them. Not that it matters, I just didn't notice on the smaller big screen.

Oh, and the Oracle's skin looks really nasty when they do close ups on the IMAX. They really should have photoshop'd her or get out the airbrush.

Re:Matrix 3 vs. LOTR 3

[hamster foo]

I'm pretty much at the opposite end of this one. I can't wait for ROTK to come out, and while I'll go see Matrix Revolutions, Reloaded killed any excitement I had regarding the movies.

LOTR and TTT were both beautifully done, and at the end of each, I just wanted to see more.

The Matrix by contrast was beautifully done, but left me wondering what the hell they'd do with a sequel to it more than wanting more. While I was looking forward to Reloaded, it failed to live up to my expectations. Most of the effects were nicely done, but the story was much less interesting than the original. I'll give some leeway here since it's hard to provide more suprises once the original subject has been breeched, but needless to say, it just didn't do it for me. I hope I will be pleasantly suprised by Revolutions, but I'm not getting my hopes up. Perhaps lower expectations will help Revolutions to be a better experience for me.

I've also found that The Matrix is much less rewatchable than Lord of the Rings. After the first few viewings, The Matrix started to become quite boring. I have yet to tire of watching Lord of the Rings, and I can't wait for TTT to be released on DVD, while I really could care less when Reloaded is released.

I guess to each their own though. =)

Re:Matrix 3 vs. LOTR 3

[Plutor]

This is an unfair comparison. There has not been any RotK theatrical trailer released yet. You are either referring to the low-quality leaked trailer or the preview featurette on the TTT DVD. In either case, it's unfair to compare the two.

On the other hand, taking a 1-chapter battle and turning it into half of the movie, and then muckying up Faramir and bringing the Ring to Osgiliath. That's just not forgivable.

But that doesn't mean I'm looking forward to Matrix 3 even close to as much as RotK. If you ignore the un-truthfulness-to-the-books, it's a fantastic movie. You can't say the same about Matrix Reloaded, sadly.

Re:Matrix 3 vs. LOTR 3

[danila]

I am referring to two trailers. The original observation of unoriginality was made after E3 (when some movie footage was recorded at the ROTK game presentation) and now confirmed by what was presented as a leaked trailer. I don't think I saw the preview. Do you have a link handy or could you upload it somewhere?

Anyway, I admit that it's too early to judge ROTK, but frankly, I am bored. FOTR was magestic despite a number of flaws, TTT was different (Jacko says it's intentional), but done much worse. "Creative" editing, butchering the book and many other minor flaws seriously spoiled the impression (BTW, check out this). Now I don't really care anymore. Yes, the ROTK could turn out to be a brilliant film, but there is a relatively high chance that it will be even more fucked up then TTT was. These expectations cancel each other out, so this year I will definitely not see LOTR on the opening day. May be after a week or so.

Matrix, on the other hand, didn't disappoint me as much as TTT did. Yes, it's very different from the first Matrix (which, by the way, is just as rewatchable as the FOTR was), but it's still good. And it was original, you can't deny that. Revolutions seem to be (from the available trailers) another different and original movie. It might be slightly better or worse, but I am sure it will still be slick, cool and enjoyable. I am not so sure about ROTK.

Re:Matrix 3 vs. LOTR 3

[Wraithlyn]

"taking a 1-chapter battle and turning it into half of the movie"

Sorry, bit of a pet peeve here, but why do people make statements like this? Do you know how much screentime is actually dedicated to showing the battle of Helm's Deep?

Most people say something like, oh, it was the entire last hour. Or 45 minutes. (You're the first I've seen to say it took an entire half.. I know you're exaggerating, but still)

Well, the last time I went to see TTT in the theatre, I decided to time all the Helm's Deep battle segments. There's four sequences (intercut with the Ents, and Osgiliath), the longest of which is about 6 minutes. The grand total of all four Helm's Deep battle sequences? 15 minutes. Out of 180. Or, about 8% of the movie. There's simply such an incredible amount of action happening, it SEEMS like so much longer.

Now, Faramir dragging Frodo and the Ring to Osgilath, THAT was totally lame. I read in an interview with one of the writers (Philippa Boyens?) that they did that to give Faramir's character "more of a journey", because in the book, his character is very stagnant while everyone else goes through changes.

Anyway, can't wait for extended TTT, or RotK :) I think Matrix 3 will be pretty interesting too, there's a lot of unexplained stuff going on under the surface in the second one, which the third will (hopefully) resolve.

Another link. Absolutely hilarious

[vivek7006]

Checkout this . It's a video of two guys playing table tennis, "Matrix Style". They have performed matrix style effects live on the stage. Really funny stuff !!

Re:Another link. Absolutely hilarious

[TedCheshireAcad]

That's fscking awesome.

Because...

[Channard]

..he really likes her cookies, and is inspired by their crunchy goodness to stop trying to take over the world and open a chain of bakeries. 'So, Mr Anderson.. chocolate chip or cherry?'

Confused...

[earthloop]

I though this was the trailer to the next movie.

IMAX

[CGP314]

I can't wait for the IMAX release. 60-foot surround sound whoa-a-vision.

Re:Sigh

[Robmonster]

Didnt the article say that films 2 and 3 were shot on the same 240 day shoot?

Re:I just realised a huge plothole.

[Bueller_007]

Except "suspending disbelief" is the complete opposite of what the W brothers were aiming for. The reason they set the story inside a computer was so they could get away with those Hong Kong action moves, like punching people who then go flying 30 feet across a room. In real life, that ain't gonna happen. But it's possible inside the Matrix. Although I'm not a particularly big fan of the movies, it's a very nice workaround, allowing the unrealistic to become believable.

Of course, they kinda blew it when Neo gained some powers in the "real world".

longer version of the trailer

[vivek7006]

I forgot to mention that this mpeg version of the trailer has some additional footage. COOL!

Neo losing?

[0123456]

I hadn't seen any trailers before the movie, but I thought it was pretty obvious that he was going to win that fight. Which was the whole problem: given that I knew he was going to win, what was that point? It just dragged on and on and on and on and on and on and on for no good reason other than to allow the directors to show how 'cool' their effects were.

Matrix 2 would be a much, much better movie if they'd cut out the boring half-hour, including most of that fight and a significant chunk of the freeway battle. Matrix 1 never had much of a story, but at least the effects scenes never got boring: Matrix 2 was just a porn movie for effects fetishists.

Re:Go read the LOTR books

[0123456]

Personally I found the books tedious as hell: I've started them several times and never got more than half-way through the first one because Tolkein was continually getting distracted from the plot to rabbit on about his world background and Elvish language or whatever. So from my point of view, the movies are much, much better than the books.

Re:I just realised a huge plothole.

[0123456]

"Of course, they kinda blew it when Neo gained some powers in the "real world"."

Hardly, the "real world" will presumably turn out to be just level of the Matrix. Haven't you seen "Existenz"?

As for plot holes, if the original poster has only just noticed one, they can't be too observant. Even the first movie was riddled with them from beginning to end.

Think it'll suck? Likely

[mooface]

I was really excited seeing the Reloaded trailer. Too bad the movie, as a whole, sucked. One can only pray this will be better....

Re:100mbit Mirror

[Spoing]

No, DON'T CLICK that link.

Re:[OT] Trolling

[oldmildog]

Agreed. Use WGET.. it's tenacious enough to keep at it long after a browser would've given up. Include the '--tries=0' flag, also.
wget --tries=0 -c http://progressive.warnerbros.com/thematrix/us/med /revolutions_640_dl.zip

Re:U/L it 2 KAZAA - Let's use that geek powah

[Ice_Balrog]

Well, since Kazaa isn't supported under Linux, I doubt it. Gnutella, maybe, but not Kazaa.

mod parent up!

[tolan-b]

(especially as it did suck really bad...)

Third movie showing parts of 2nd

[lonesome phreak]

Looking at it, especially the comment in the trailer "The machines will breach the dock walls in twelve hours" makes me think that the 3rd movie will show things that we didn't see but know already happened in the 2nd. Such as the battle (and subsequent destruction) of Zion, which is shown several times in both trailers. We where just told about it in the 2nd, perhaps we actually see it in the third.

Re:Third movie showing parts of 2nd

[Wandering Idiot]

I know someone already mentioned this, but I feel I really must reiterate: ZION WASN'T DESTROYED IN RELOADED! That was a five-ship strike team sent to ambush the incoming Machines, which you would know had you not been too busy whispering to your friend about how much the CGI "Sux0red" to actually pay attention to the plot. How so many people came out of the movie with the impression Zion had been destroyed, I'll never know. God only knows what you thought of the Architect's speech. [/fanboyish rant]

Seriously, though, I thought the movie was pretty good. Nice fight scenes, surprising revelations, a more complex sci-fi universe with plenty of anthropomorphized computer system in-jokes, and Smith straightening his own tie ;) What's not to like?

Re:Third movie showing parts of 2nd

[lonesome phreak]

Um, whatever. You have absolutly no idea what I actually think of the CGI or such.

I thought the movie was good too. I didn't say otherwise.

I think the Architect's speech was actually just an attempt to manipulate Neo into doing exactly what he did. However, I don't think the Architect has taken into account Smith et al.

People probably came out of the movie with that impression because that's basically what the Councileman said.

I know far more about the plot than you will probably ever know, especially where the whole idea of the movies come from. I've been studing the Gnostic religion for several years now, which is a large part of what the movies are based around. I've read most of the books they used, including three of the VALIS 'trilogy' which is hinted at directly in the first movie. I could write a 10 page essay on the similarities bewteen VALIS and The Matrix pretty easily.

Re:Third movie showing parts of 2nd

[lonesome phreak]

There is a hint of it in the trailer: Smith is in the Oracle's kitchen, but it's been trashed. Maybe he killed her or something.

Re:Third movie showing parts of 2nd

[dlb]

The oracle is a different actress because the original, Gloria Foster, passed away during the filming of Reloaded. You don't need to buy Enter the Matrix for that bit -- just read the news.

~dlb

600km/s ???

[kinnell]

It's kinda sobbering watching that bit torrent link go through the roof. 30 peers at 600km/s

You mean your PC was so overloaded that it got blown through the roof at mach 2? Totally heinous, dude.

Re:600km/s ???

[Maxwell'sSilverLART]

More like Mach 2000; Mach 1 is 300-odd meters/second, not kilometers/second.

BitTorrent

[arashiakari]

This is why BitTorrent rocks so much...
Download rate: 210kB/s
Upload rate: 12kB/s

AOL: Connection Reset... 0kB/s

I'll be keeping my BT window open for others. Thanks guys!

science fiction double feature

[Darth_brooks]

So, have any theaters annouced plans to run reloaded and revolutions back to back? I've never been to a double feature, and this seems like a good place to start.

And no, I haven't seen reloaded yet. There was too much hype, I'd have left the theater disappointed.

Re:Sigh

[cdrudge]

She died after filming most of the scenes in Reloaded. They had not yet got to her scenes in Revolutions. I guess this was similar to what happened with Aaliyah.

Re:100mbit Mirror

[MrPoopyPants]

Thanks! This was the only trailer I could get to work.

I have to say that this movie looks amazing. Reloaded must have been an anomoly because Revolutions looks even better than the first. I cannot describe it.

You must see this trailer for yourself.

Thank you.

WARNING!

[Anonymous Coward]

Parent is link to The Goatsex Man.

Origin of the classical music in the teaser

[theefer]

I guess Sangloth was right with his Juno Reactor guess about the electronic part of the teaser soundtrack, but Juno obviously didn't write the classical music part of it.

James Newton Howard (The Fugitive, The 6th Sense, ...) is the author of the classical bit, this is the track 20 ("Tarawa") of his soundtrack for the movie Snow Falling on Cedars. You can find this information on Soundtrack.Net as well as a french fan forum (thanks to ZeDuckMaster for this url). The song sounds just great, I have to get this album now ;-)

This is old

[Blitzshlag]

This trailer has been on Kazaa since the second movie opened.

IMAX = bad experience

[wishiwascool]

As cool as IMAX is, it makes for the worst movie watching experience ever. I'm sure most cinemaphiles will agree: that screen is tooo freaking big. What is the point of watching a movie on a screen when you can only focus on maybe 25% of the screen at one time. You have to constantly traverse the image field of that screen to see what the hell is going on. Wayy to much movement to enjoy 'watching' something. That, and the film is cropped from original aspect ratio to fit that screen which is nowhere near 1:2.35 or 1:1.8 (typical AR's for most movies today)

just my .02

Awww...no fair!

[ShadowcatBlue]

I can't watch the trailer at work, and I think it's because of the stupid firewall! *cries* Now I'll have to wait 8 hours before I can go home and see it! Not fair!

Re:Sigh

[Neurotoxic666]

This could possible be because the actress who played the Oracle, Gloria Foster [imdb.com] passed away before Revolutions was filmed.

According to the imdb.com, she died on september 29th 2001.... That would even be before Reloaded.

I laughed because of the first trailer.

[A_Non_Moose]

(whoever said Agent Smith rules was correct, IMO)

Beginning of the trailer:

Miiiiister Anderson (TM)
(pause)
You're back.
(pause+snarl)
We..missed you.

Aaahahahahaha...oh, shit I gotta see this movie.

I later drove that phrase into the ground, almost.

On a more serious note, there was a matrix site where one poster postulated that "the machines didn't win".

Anyone else read that? It took into account the two movies, game, and Animatrix (didn't play the game so couldn't comment on that aspect).

After seeing Reloaded again, well, the idea had merit, but diminished because something didn't seem right (ok, "Like a splinter in my mind...driving me mad"...ok, ok, 'short trip' I hear you say).

I think it was the disabling of the Sentinals and then slipping into a coma that was a "wait a minute" moment...an it just hit me a second ago:

*Assume* it was correct, that the machines didn't win...could it be the humans (matrix) are the machines (real) trying to break out and the machines (matrix) are the humans (real)?

Yeah...damn I can't wait for the next movie.

Re:I laughed because of the first trailer.

[dls-fizgig]

The problem is one of incentive. If the machines had lost, what is the incentive for human beings to keep them around. We've had no problem doing without machines with no conciousness, so I can't imagine that we'd be willing to build that feature into our coffee makers again after the skies were set afire, etc. etc. The machines keeping the humans around is bad enough, as geothermal energy would be seemingly plentiful and less expensive (in Matrix development project (tm) hours). It would certainly last long enough for the machines to understand enough about rocketry to acquire interplanetary power sources. Plus, its a movie.

The Agents will be pissed.

[BoneFlower]

We've slashdotted the Matrix.

SPOILER The trailer sequenced by movie events

[DeckerEgo]

Check out http://www.xzaust.com/index.php?page=matrix - they've posted the supposed leaked plotline broken down in sequence with screenshots of the trailer. As much as people protest and as much as I hate to think it... it seems like this is the acutal storyline of the movie.

Lord of Rings RTK trail Aug 26

[peter303]

It will be on the first DVD.

Re:Trailer dupe

[Dh2000]

Fine, two-three seconds: Smith Laughs

The actress is DEAD

[nate.sammons]

That's why they replaced her.

Besides, maybe Agent Smith just wanted one of those cookies.

-nate

1 MB per person

[objekt]

One megabyte smaller might not sound like much, but with Sobig.f clogging up the network, I'll take what I can get.

Fileshack Mirror

[Boone^]

distributed mirror, but you could have wait times.

Fileshack

My take

[SharpNose]

That's a reasonable question. My response is that you may not necessarily be right about the efficiency thing. Think of a turbine; the hot gas coming out the tailpipe carries away waste heat - heat that the engine could not transform into mechanical energy. On the other hand, if you fed human bodies and were able to get their heat out really, really well, then you might be onto something better.

Other thoughts have come to mind: the pods ought to look like they're pretty well-insulated; maybe they are - I can't tell. There's the massive-parallelization aspect and the self-replicating aspect. It also occurs to me that maybe the people should be made to swim around or something in their pods.

One conscious but mostly static person, IIRC, is good for about 75 watts. So, we'd all be good for about 450GW.

One self-saving concept is that once we "scorched the sky," the AI system would have run through its options and somehow arrived at what we are shown it eventually does in the movie; its logic and process for doing that may be inscrutable for us because, well, it wouldn't think the way we think. It may have traded away efficiency for longevity, for example.

It also occurs to me that somehow, in some fashion, the great driver behind this human/pod "engine" still must be the sun - unless it also or instead tapped into something like the heat inside the Earth (possibly nuclear-reaction-driven) or the Earth's rotation.

The system may have needed the "coppertops" as a stopgap measure until the sky cleared itself, however, one wonders if the system could have just as easily built a "sky cleaner" as it could have built a Matrix for people to "live" in.

Anyway, that's how I kind of filled in the missing information in my own mind.

Discussing the possible plot

[Str8Dog]

Anyone thought that the voice over sounds alot like the Oricle. I wonder what the possibility the little speach she is giving is to Agent Smith.

Matrix XP - The Sequel

[hanwen]

How about this one? These are a bunch of German students that made a very well-done knockoff of the Matrix, complete with CGI and bullet-time shots. Check it out at Matrix XP.

Holy-S###

[flibble-san]

1366 seeds on bittorrent, that's pretty amazing!!! If only I could download my pr0n this fast...

Re:Spoilers...

[eigerface]

And don't get me started on Titanic.

theoretical spoiler alert

[PhuCknuT]

Maybe when you see revolutions it'll all be wrapped up nicely. If the "real world" is just another layer of the matrix where they send the people who have trouble "accepting" the main matrix, then the whole humans as batteries thing and the war against the machines is just the story fed to the escapees to keep them too occupied to realize they haven't escaped. Think about it, at the end of reloaded neo uses his matrix "powers" in the supposed real world. Other than magic (I really hope they didn't go there) there's no good explanation other than the real world being a matrix too.

Re:Sigh

[Archfeld]

Re-tardis maybe, god I hope the 3rd one is not so serious. The minute the wacky brothers started actually thinking they were profound instead of movie makers things got stupid....

AXEL

[Tei]

axel work fine, with my able128 (zaragoza) connection I get 9.3 Kb. Somethimes a thread die, but others continue

Re:Sigh

[Overly Critical Guy]

The Wachowskis had originally planned that sort of "narrative switch" but didn't want to do that to Gloria Foster. However, what happened happened, and while unfortunate, it did allow them to go through with their original plan of having the Merovingian delete the Oracle.

I wouldn't have thought it possible ...

[Conspir8or]

... but Monica Bellucci seems to be wearing even less in this one.

Keep your stick figure models. Ich liebe zaftige frauen!

Hope the RIAA doesn't find out

[bl8n8r]

Oh wait, when technology is exploited in their favor, monetarily of course, they are happy.

Re:[OT] Trolling

[Jagasian]

I got a little better performance than that. Basically I had enough time to pick my nose, and then BT had the file downloaded for me.

BitTorrent is also pretty good at error checking, making sure your download is correct. Now just imagine if the official Matrix site used their fat server to serve the file via BitTorrent! THAT would have been some serious speed!

It would have basically been like everyone being the only person downloading from their server.

Agent Smith's line is WORSE in new trailer

[ysaric]

If you compare the trailer that came at the end of the video game (I don't know if it was the same as the one at the end of the movie) to the new trailer, it's obvious where Agent Smith says "Mr. Anderson, welcome back, we missed you" that his inflection is totally different. The first one was so much better. Given that it's going to be one of the memorable lines from the movie, I can't figure why they changed it.

Re:Agent Smith's line is WORSE in new trailer

[gurumeditationerror]

I thought I imagined that and went back to check, your right, the first one sounded a lot better.

Apples and Oranges

[Dirk Pitt]

I don't think you can compare static art with a motion picture. Paintings aren't temporally dependent. Much of the 'art' of movies is defined in the way dependencies are developed between scenes, much like chapters in a good novel. Showing too much in a trailer spoils these unexpected dependencies.

I personally think that The Usual Suspects has a great deal of artistic value, but I would've been pissed had they said "***** ****** is Keyser Soze" in a trailer.

check out these freeze-frames. slight spoilers...

[sewagemaster]

check out these freeze-frames. slight spoilers...

check out agent smith on the operator's screen, and check out neo driving the logos with trinity... neo's blindfolded

http://forums.matrixfans.net/showthread.php?s=&t hr eadid=13880

As Mayor Quimby said...

[GogglesPisano]

"I'm sick of you people -- you're nothing but a bunch of fickle mush heads."

Every day I read fiery posts on Slashdot condemning the evil deeds of the MPAA and RIAA and vowing to boycott their products forever.

Yet here you are, absolutely salivating over the prospect of handing your money over to them.

Let's look at the big picture, people!

Re:I just realised a huge plothole.

[Le Marteau]

Hardly, the "real world" will presumably turn out to be just level of the Matrix.

Or, the "real world" will turn out to be the "real world" and Neo will really have developed special powers.

Many people believe that "reality" is just a collective hallucination. That everything that is "real" is actually the product of thought by someone. So if thought can define reality, then reality would only be limited to that which one believed was possible. The only limits in such a world would be that which people BELIEVE was impossible, whether or not such things were indeed impossible.

Maybe when Jesus said, "If you had faith, you could move mountains" he really meant it. Maybe the only thing that is keeping us from "mentally moving mountains" is that we don't BELIEVE it can be done. If one KNEW with 100% certainty (not 99% certainty, but 100% certainty) that moving a mountain mentally was possible, perhaps it could be done. But 100% certainty of knowledge is not possible.

But what if someone develops those understandings about the hallucinogenic nature of reality within an artificial reality. Live in artificial surroundings for years, virtually "mentally moving mountains" and come to believe 100% that it could be done, and who knows what would happen in "real life"

Understand, I'm not saying this is all true, I'm just saying that there is more than one way for Neo to have powers in "real life".

blah, troll

[ph43thon]

blah, troll. new uid.. posting between five and sixteen times a day. Only 70 comments. Is there an organization called The Troll Project somewhere?
blah, troll

Re:American Wedding spoiler

[brakk]

I try to avoid trailers because I like to see movies without knowing anything about them. But I did see a couple trailers for American Wedding and the best part of the movie (dance scene at the club) wasn't in any of them. After I saw it, I downloaded a copy so I could see that scene again, but the quality wasn't good enough to see the minut expressions on their faces, so I'll probably pay to go see it again just for that scene.

Re:Matrix movie spolier website link --plenty of p

[ysaric]

IT looks pretty coherent, but if true would leave a lot to be desired as far as tying all of the subtleties and mystic 'clues' dropped in the prior movies. Any thought as to the source of the summary?

Re:Spoilers (for Citizen Kane)

[xaaronx]

A sled. Gaaah! SPOILER!!! C'mon man, I haven't seen the second half yet!

Noticed a lot of 8s and 4s in the final titles...

[TheTranceFan]

In the trailer, the final "Matrix Revolution" titles have a lot more 8s and 4s in the streams of green text and katakana than the random sh*t seen before. Also, there were lots of "hachi" characters, which is the Japanese symbol for 8. Anyone have ideas about that?

Re:It's even better...

[taradfong]

...Chipmunk voices never get old.

Truer words were never spoken.

About the voiceover

[Prior Restraint]

Anyone thought that the voice over sounds alot like the Oricle.

The voice you're hearing is that of actress Mary Alice. Gloria Foster (who played The Oracle in the first two films) died on 2001-09-29. Ms. Alice takes over the role of The Oracle in Revolutions, as well as in the Enter the Matrix video game. Obviously, fanboys aren't interested in things like an actor's death, so an ad hoc explanation was devised to explain why The Oracle looks different now. (Personally, I don't understand the problem. Most people accept the various incarnations of James Bond without batting an eye, but change the actor playing Darrin Stephens and the nation is plunged into chaos.)

I wonder what the possibility the little speach she is giving is to Agent Smith.

The same idea occurred to me. The first film's message could potentially be summed up as, "Things are not what they seem." That (and Hollywood's tendency to create downright deceptive trailers) leads me wonder Who is she talking to and and who is she talking about? Is it who most assume it would be? The film would be much more interesting if it's not.

Added to that, I'd like to toss in an observation about the trailer at the end of Enter the Matrix. A bit from the trailer shows Niobe saying, "Neo...", followed by some random action, then Morpheus saying, "He fights for us." The message you're supposed to receive is that these two bits are connected, but I don't think so. To me, Morpheus looks confused when he says that line, as if he can't quite accept what he's saying. Also, he says it barely above a whisper, indicating he might be talking to himself.

I don't know; I guess it'll be public knowledge soon enough.

Re:WAGGLY COCKS

[Adam9]

I always wished mods could do M2 with reasons. For example, all of the "Troll" mods that CmdrTaco's wife received when she posted "Yes." on the Will You Marry Me thread.