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Star Wars Episode 3 Play-By-Play In Pictures
jflint writes "Here is a site with over 80 screenshots (claiming more to come) that shows the story line of the upcoming Star Wars Episode 3. Some of the screenshots have French subtitles in them." These shots -- especially the space battle scenes -- certainly make it look more worthwhile than the two prior episodes.
It's already down!? Mirror!
Over 80 fairly high resolution screen shots and the editor didn't think to change the links to a handy mirror before we all hammer the server? Luckily it appears to be coping so far.
Putting 80 screenshots of the upcoming Star Wars movie on your web site at this point is like asking to be DDoS'd.
You have to feel sorry for the ISP hosting that site and every ISP in between.
I'm a big tall mofo.
This looks totally badass.
Slide 81: the server fall in burning lava. The imperial march begins to play. The END!
Correction, there was a site with over 80 screenshots (claiming more to come) that shows the story line of the upcoming Star Wars Episode 3. But after Lucasfilm's agents posted it to /. it is no more. Clever fellow, that George.
"Backups are for wimps. Real men upload their data to an FTP site and have everyone else mirror it." -- Linus Torvalds
Dribble. Can't wait....
Can anyone else not believe that this will be opening Cannes? Do the French just have a very strange sense of humour, or do they perhaps intend to get revenge for recent US foreign policy decisions by allowing Lucas to make Hollywood look utterly ridiculous in the most public way they can?
Read Pynchon.
...because after all blowing shit up is so much more important than dialog...
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2) Hero posts hires picture son site
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AT&ROFLMAO
We all know it takes just one small detail to truely ruin a movie for many fans *Cough*mitoclorians*Cough.
And even though I was sorely dissopointed with the last three movies Lucas made for this series (Including the Ewok Adventure... *Shudder*), I am still going to be in this line for a week to see the movie...
"This is not the post you are looking for."
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Try http://www.mirrordot.org/ for working images.
direct link
You hate George Lucas but you are going to line his pockets all the same. Resistance is futile.
http://www.tpu.fi.nyud.net:8090/~t4jlaaks/ep3/
Hopefully, this time, it works.
It is unfortunate (or evil, money-hungry calculation) that all these scenes were cut. But you are still left with a good impression of what the movie will not be.
What keeps me going is my inertia.
Were did the shot of Anakin all burned up come from?
BTW, I saw these pics last night when Boing Boing linked to them first, like so much of what appears on Slashdot these days.
It was as if a million acks cried out at once and were suddenly silenced.
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I couldn't fail to disagree with you any less.
The pics are on the webserver of a polytechnic in Tampere, Finland. The webserver is on its knees already, and the user don't have a permission to keep this material on the server for sure. I guess they're not going to be there for long. =)
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..where we can kill servers from anywhere in the world.
(Maybe if he didn't have EIGHTY FRIGGIN SCREENSHOTS ON THE PAGE, it wouldn't have died so fast. But what do I know?)
"Je suis votre père, Luke."
Pardonnez-moi, celui n'est pas jusqu'à l'épisode 5.
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I saw these pictures last night, so I beat the /.
The movie looks really good.
I'm not concerned about the movie's looks or story though...Star Wars is always at the top with those. For the most part, everyone has to agree that the story line for the first two prequels outside of a few annoying pieces is actuallly pretty good.
What worries me most is the dialogue...that is where the first two prequels failed and where the original trilogy got everyone hooked.
Let's hope that problem is fixed.
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Yeah, it's down, but that's not the worst of it -- even with nothing available to see, it's still looking more entertaining than Episodes 1 and 2.
You know... this should really be made part of the editors task.
If a news story is screenshots... especially if it's 10+ high res... tar + gzip them all and make a torrent somewhere.
Then sure, post the source... but more importantly... post the torrent link.
This happens way too often not to be something that could be done.
What about a slashdot tracker? Have rules on things only being addable by editors, and they can only do so via submitting a story.
Isn't this what it's about? Damn... where's that Slashcode site again? Sounds like the time to merge Blog Torrent and Slash together.
Now, why do I hear Chris Berman's voice going:
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Luke - What is it Obiwan?
Obi - I sense a cute little server at its last breath, while millions of caffeine filled geeks armed with mouseclicks, on its deathly downward spiral. And then silence prevailed.
Luke - What?
Obi - Server got slasdhotted you little wimp!
Luke - Oh Ok! Want some coffee?
Obi - Sure. These long flights give me such a headache.
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While wasting time pondering whether the original site will ever succeed in coming back up, feel free to amuse yourself by refreshing the page's hit counter.
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When the first one came out, everyone was so excited. People were camped in front of movie theaters for months, and you could easily get the impression that this was going to be one of the best movies of all time.
Then they saw Jar-Jar and the rest is history.
When the second one came out, people were once again excited. Yeah, they remembered how horrible the first one was, but this new Star Wars promised to be much better! Less Jar-Jar, a new Anakin, and an improved storyline.
Then everyone realized that while it might be better than the first one, that isn't saying much.
Now they release a few pretty pictures from the third one and once again, you have people saying it "look(s) more worthwhile". Sigh. Hey look, someone wrote the word gullible on the movie theater ceiling!
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I don't know if you remember the trailer for The Phantom Menace, but it had the Duel of the Fates song in the background and that trailer was amazing! After 20 years or whatever since Return of the Jedi, it made my knees week. That alone is proof that you can take a crappy two hour movie and turn it into an awesome 1 minute commercial.
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I was hoping that we'd get to see darth vader in his bad-ass ways (like choking a few officers). If these screenshots are true to the story - then we wont be getting any of that. Still, its got potential to be a good movie.
**ATTENTION SPOILER***
Palpatine is actually a bad guy.
*Shock*
*Horror*
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Two full mirrors:k s/ep3/
http://www.tpu.fi.nyud.net:8090/~t4jlaa
http://nerdfilter.com/
The second seems to be holding up pretty well. Of course by the time this is posted, it'll be the opposite;p
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I don't know how well this will work, but I've got in on Kazaa as a zipped webpage under the title "Star Wars Episode 3 Photos".
Do an AC reply to this post if you were able to get it.
Sorry, I don't know how to do torrents...
I saw these last night, and this is about the biggest spoiler you can possibly see for the movie. Almost every scene is pictured, along with a description of each scene.
"Well kids, you tried your best, and you failed. The lesson is, never try." -Homer Simpson
Let's see:
* Battling droids, been there, done that.
* Fighting in front of the old guy, ditto
* Hand getting cut off, check
* Stupid names, got it
* Holograms, yep
* Space battles, uh huh
* Yoda fighting, did that
So, why should I spend my money on this? I already know how it will end and since Lucas is writing the dialogue, I already know it'll be bad. The special effects are common as dirt these days.
I think I'll give it a pass.
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So what?
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Maybe this name will work better...
Looks great! Less filling! (than "regular" Star Wars fare)
I saw pics for the toys from the upcoming movie. I could surmise a lot of plot points from them as well. Some seem very cool.
Except for ending slavery, the Nazis, communism, & securing American independence, war has never solved anything.
Damn you for making spoilers so tempting. Must resist looking at this.
_now_
as mentioned before, the pics look great, let`s hope the dialogues do good. And that Padme aka Natalie Portman learnt to actually "act" meanwhile...
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Fuck you Lucass you shill hack.
Defendant "Well, i had to download the whole movie, the pirate site with the pictures on it was /.'ed"
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If the website guy is correct and Vader forcechokes Padme, who dies giving birth, it contradicts Return of the Jedi when Leia tells Luke she vaguely remembers her mother, being sad and all that stuff.
Way to go, George.
I imagine I'm in the minority with this, but I actually like the special effects of the original 3 films better than the prequels.
Granted the boxy things around the TIE fighters were goofy, but the heavy use of models made the first 3 films look more real to me than all the subsequent CG stuff. What I really loved was the lived in look. I think that's a big part of what made the franchise. Weren't Star Wars and Alien the first SF films to have an distinctive vision of the future where the equipment didn't look brand new?
And I agree about the dialogue. There were some corny lines in the original films, but I think most people will agree that either due to decent acting elevating the dialogue or everything feeling so appropriate for the various characters it all worked. I just don't get that happy feeling about any of the new lines, and I certainly don't remember them well enough to quote the prequels.
I think I'm starting to feel about this the way I felt about Dune after the Sci Fi channel version came out. Perhaps it would be better done by fans than the current rights holders... Open Source SciFi?
unless she meant bail organa, I dunno her history.
....in under 12 parsecs.
**HUGE SPOILER**
You will die alone.
The "Insert Quote Here" line is almost as predictable as inserting an actual quote.
the terrible acting and awful dialogue in the "love scenes" (ugh) between Natalie Portman and Hayden Christensen in the second movie. They were so, so, SO BAD.
AoC could have been only slightly worse than RotJ if it wasn't for those, but Lucas went and fucked it up, sadly.
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It's George Lucas... You were expecting it to make sense?
"Your effort to remain what you are is what limits you."
You can fool me once. You can fool me twice. You can ... oh well, nevermind.
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I only saw the first 5 frames on that site and I was already bored.
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well.. the mirror works.
and with the shit that was ep1 and ep2 they're going to NEED to give some juicy spoilers to convince me to go to the movies.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Do people really still care about Star Wars ?
The first was a reaonsable reworking of one of the classic fairy tales (i.e. fantastic for small children) but then it went sadly, sadly downhill to hit rock bottom with the Ewoks.
And just when you thought it couldn't possibly get any worse it returned several years later for a set of "prequels" only to crawl right up it's own arse and die - A death that left only a small stain in the shape of Jar Jar Binks. Fucking hell.
Honestly anyone who has even the slightest wish to see any more of the garbage produced by that silly old Lucas chap should really either get out more or watch something like Babylon 5. Now that's what I call sci-fi.
Sorry but it just boggles my mind that anyone would pay good money to see this utter tripe.
I'd rather spend an entire afternoon watching an elderly Labrador defecate than have my eyeballs infested by this rubbish !
Sky subscribers are morons. They pay to be advertised at !
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The only things missing from this sheet are the toothy dude from the lava planet and the wookie army. He could have at least capped those from the trailer and inserted them somewhere.
http://www.sugoso.com/StarWars_Episode3.php for the clueless.
if you go to the blog on my site i was able to grab em but take it easy please.
No FSF/GNU/GPL manifestos, no "apple just updated their software again for the third time this week" messages, no permanent floating "the evil of the RIAA" flamefests. None of those "broken record issues" that we've been over a bazillion times. No incompetent "editors" who know neither correct spelling nor grammar, nor what stories have been posted in the last week.
You know, just the good stuff.
"It is our blasphemy which has made us great, and will sustain us, and which the gods secretly admire in us." - Zelazny
These shots -- especially the space battle scenes -- certainly make it look more worthwhile than the two prior episodes.
Of all the problems and criticisms of the previous two prequels, I don't think lack of special effects was ever listed. The problems with acting, writing, and directing are certainly not going to be evident in still photos.
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...and that's it. John William's excellent score is pretty much the only redeeming feature of any Star Wars movie. And I'm certain that is will be the same with that one.
Here's another Mirror:
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You say things that offend me and I can deal with it. Can you?
I thought that James Earl Jones did lend his voice to parts of RoTS, presumably towards the end... He did some of the voice over touch up in the DVD release of the original trilogy... so it's not unheard of.
*shrug* Not that JEJ can save teh whole flick mind you...
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(a) Let James Earl Jones do a voice-over, or
(b) Release a new version of episodes IV-VI where the voice of Vader has been changed to that of Hayden Christensen?
Knowing Lucas, I think (b) will be the choice...
And to add insult to injury, in the new versions Lucas will let Han shoot first.
No problem for uncle George. He will release a new version of RotJ where he changes this particular line in the dialogue.
I feel as if millions of NIC cards all cried out at once.
I know that I will be dissapointed.
I know that the first trilogy might not be as good as I want them to be or remember them to be.
But after more than two decades of Star Wars being part of my life... I need closure.
Even if the recent movies have been crap, especially TPM, George Lucas doesn't owe us anything. Those were his movies, made with his money, out of his dreams. We have been lucky to be part of them and have enjoyed them enough as to make Star Wars memorable.
Thanks George, for the mithology, for the friends, and for the memories.
Cheers,
Adolfo
That is a hopeful thing to say considering it was the acting that made the last two so bad. You can't hear how badly someone says "princess. I love you" is a photo.
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Yah, I agree, it's the poor space battles that made the last two episodes so bad. Nothing to do with the bad acting, bad directing, lame dialogs and childish plots.
You will die alone.
Come on, this is just a loose fictional story. No need to do forensic analysis on the details.
10,000 years ago I can see guys like you stomping away from the campfire when the oral tradition of that night contradicts last year's story. Of course that means you'd be the guys missing out on procreational activities later that night.
Yet somehow those genes keep recurring. Odd that is.
The french subtitles remind me of the pirate
"pre release" of Halo II.
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I mean come on. All Lost Hope Pt III
Isn't pretty obvious that most of these pictures ar screenshots from something like KOTOR II? The CG sure looks like something of an xbox.
Maybe you and the rest of the sheep on /. are going to line his pockets for the crap he spews, but I am not. After stupidly allowing my hopes to rise for ep2 and it turning out to be just plain awful, I vowed not to do it again.
And that's a good thing, too, because I have a friend here who has read the script (living in Los Angeles has fun side effects like that). He recounted the entire story to me, and let me tell you how awful and superficial it sounds. It has very little character development, gives no good reason for Annakin to turn to the dark side, and has no surprises a 4 year old couldn't guess.
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Why more people don't use the Coral Web Cache when submitting links in their story is beyond me.
Coralized link below
http://www.tpu.fi.nyud.net:8090/~t4jlaaks/ep3/
Mirror Enjoy. :)
That was the first question that came to mind after reading all of that and looking at all the pretty pictures.
I also wondered how Anikin could force-choke Padme and then have her die nine months later from the choke?
Um...
I mean, did he see her obviously pregnant? I wouldn't think so. But maybe he did. But would he want to kill his offspring like that? I doubt it.
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Are they clones turned bad? And outfitted differently?
How come the Episode 1-3 droids and battle droids are never seen again in 4+?
I was expecting these to be answered in 3... but so far I don't see it.
Obi-wan and Anakin are not related. Maybe Obiwan said that in EP4 but lets just chalk that up to living in the desert alone for 20 years and senility.....
That was good... probably will be let down if I go and see the movie. I wonder if we'll see a Special Edition version of the Play-By-Play in Pictures. Just hope they don't insert too much Gungan.
Yeah, what's with that?
I remember when I first saw the trailer for Episode 1. I couldn't stop salivating over the beautiful scenery, cool-looking story, and Natalie Portman. The trailer looked so damned cool that I simultaneously crapped and creamed my pants every time I watched it. Then I saw the movie, and felt like a dumbass. Of course it would suck. Any movie with that much hype is usually a total waste of time. I'm not going to get suckered in. Not this time! Who am I kidding? Sign me up for 100 tickets, please.
It looks like this site just got yanked...
I alwyas assumed that leia remembered her mother due to her ability to see into the past using the force inwittingly, like kiddo annakin seeing the future for pod racing reflexes. Anyway, my point is that there are no plot holes in sci fi. And so, here I am. Posting about star wars on slashdot. I am not cool. I have to acknoeledge that fact and move on with my 'life.'
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They tried to hold off parenthood, but Padme's hotness and that dark-side mojo made Anakin "shoot first". Might be worth an outtake on the DVD.
I'd have a personalized plate on my car, but "toxic bachelor" won't fit into 7 letters.
Okay...Leia and Luke were talking, and Leia stated she had memories of their mother.
If she died at their birth, how can they have memories? I suppose memories of the womb, but come on...
Whats particularily intriguing is that Anakin actually possesses more of a likeness to Luke, especially in the latter screenshots - probably because of his hair. In Episode II he just looked like some irratating kid with a wooden voice.
I'll definitely download the movie, and I'll probably end up seeing it, since its the last one in the series and what not. (Please say its the last George, or we will FORCIBLY retire you!)
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I can't remember if "When your father left, he didn't know your mother was pregnant" (or some semblance) was actually left in the movie version of RotJ, it's been a while since I've seen the movie. But I remember the rest of the quote comes from the novelization, which, while it may be based on an early draft of the script, isn't strictly canon (I hope saying that doesn't open up a can of worms here).
The novelizations of the original trilogy had extra scenes and dialog not in the movies, like more of Luke's training on Dagobah in ESB and Kenobi telling Luke in ANH that even a duck has to learn how to swim. I can't remember if Han's confrontation with Jabba in Mos Eisley was in the book. I haven't read it, but I heard the book for the Phantom Menace also had some extra scenes that weren't in the movie, like a dream Anakin had about he and Padme leading opposing armies into battle.
One thing I did learn from the novelizations was the Emperor's name was Palpatine.
there are droids..and some light sabers.
I'm going out on a limb here, but probably some spaceships as well.
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Now i don't have to drag my girlfriend to the theater for this :) ..
Correction: the spoiler would be actually seeing the movie.
I think that seeing the screenshots gave me enough of a taste to know that I don't need to see it. I can't possibly imagine how Lucas can redeem the series. Even if Jar Jar dies a horrible death, it won't make up for the fact that he not only created that character, but brought him back in the next movie. EPI got my theatre dollars, EPII only got my rental dollars (thank god for the ability to scan during DVD playback). I don't even know if EPIII will be worth renting, but I sure won't be going to the theater to see it.
I actually kind of liked the comic-book-style story that I got from viewing the screenshots. Better than the awful dialogue, grandiose panning shots, and general hubris that has become synonymous with Lucas' work.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
He writes horrible, truly horrible dialog, and I don't even find the plot/storylines that interesting anymore. Rehashed, recycled.
His characters are paper thin cutouts, the recent ones especially. I mean h*ll, I don't rememeber their names, let alone care if they die in the film(s).
Peter Jackson redention of Tolkein on the other hand... now he understands characters - passion, heroism, comraderie, fear, self-doubt, you name it. While his film was a grand epic, visual feast, some of the most memorable moments to me where moments between characters not just the wonderful special effects and battles.
Now THOSE are great moments... Lucas is fluff an eye candy, nothing more. I loved Star Wars once, he's since turned into a empty film making, and a marketing tool to sell cheap toys.
'The unexamined life is not worth living' - Socrates
holy CRAP!
this movie is going to SUCK.
LAVA? lava is why vader has to become a machine?
the only thing lamer than lava would have been a band of rabid gerbils. no, that would have at least not been cliche. what the hell? vader is maximillian from the black hole now?
great. yet another 2 hour long toy commercial.
i think i'll go watch LOTR again.
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I guess I still don't understand this "escaping death" phenomena in Star Wars. I've heard that Yoda is aware of this Jedi power, but here it seems Sidious kills his master who was seeking such a power and lets Anakin know that a Jedi cannot have such a power, perhaps implying that it is a Sith force power. As you can see, I have become somewhat confused as to how and why Obi-Wan and Yoda just disappear as they seemingly leave the physical world, and how Anakin appears with them at the end of Return of the Jedi.
Of course not you nimrods!!! A big part of the magic of the first 3 was that we knew very little or nothing about the films before we saw them!!! All I knew going to see Ep. 4 in '77 was that it was sci-fi and really cool.
My best movie experiences have always been prefaced by knowing little to nothing about the movie before I saw it. I hate all the commercials for movies, it ruins many of them. I go out of my way to avoid them for movies I want to see (eyes closed, fingers in ears, and saying blah, blah, blah)
NOTE: All I saw before Ep. 4 was the movie poster, I am pretty sure much the same for Ep. 5 because the "Luke, I'm your father" caught me totally by surprise and I was in 100% denial about it!! If it helps I was born in 1968.
I can't think of a worse director than Peter Jackson.
So there you have it: one man's meat and all that. Funny old world, isn't it?
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My thoughts:
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This is the one movie Lucas should have done. The necessary expository material in Ep I and Ep II could have been told in flashback.
Then again this is all without the dialogue and other ancillary stuff. For instance, there is nothing in here that says whether or not we will be seeing Jar-Jar a third time.
However, as photo-Manga, it works. I don't think it will get me anywhere near the theatre. But they don't need my bucks anyway.
Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
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Where's the 'ANY' key? I see Esk, Kitarl, and Pig-Up...
Luke and Leia could feel Padme by using the force. Emotions, e.g., sadness at the betrayal of their father, would of course be the strongest felt and most easily assimilated by an unborn child.
i was doing some serious thinking a few days ago and decided that Star Wars (TOS) is actually an analogy for SoCal. maybe a university environment..
Luke is the naive farmboy, (even his accent is as farmboy as they come) and he leaves the farm behind. the death of his foster parents to storm troopers is an analogy for the destruction of the agrarian lifestyle by the mechanical/factory elements.
Leia is the Virginia WASP Princess. politically active in a red state family, she then discovers radical chic. she changes into a rebel leader as an act of rebellion against her parents (and especially her biological father, even though she doesn't know it). and she ends up hooking up with an unscrupulous bad boy called...
Han Solo. the latino of the movie. (even if he WAS portrayed by a white guy).. think about it.. he's got a pimped out ride that can drag ass.. he smuggles drugs.. he considers himself a playa.. he's always packing heat.. and he's got a big hairy friend called chuey who no one can understand. he joins the rebellion first for the money, then sticks around cos rebel girls put out for bad boys
think about it
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I wrote long ago that it would have been far more diabolic to have made Anakin a set of twins in the first place. Together with the problems of mistaken identy, and which one becomes Darth Vader, all this supplies enough potential for twists to drive most fans crazy. It would have been delicious.
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Judging by the last screencap, does this mean that Hans finally shot first?
If I knew the wedgies I gave you back in 6th grade would have resulted in this . . . I might have taken a moments pause.
This actually gives me hope for the last SW installment. Very dim hope. Actually I'm fairly sure that that outline will actually be better as it skips the crap Lucas crams into his precious 90 minutes. However I want to see A) the slaughter of dozens of Jedi (those geeks will weep I say!) B)Yoda battles, always more yoda battles.
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The only mirror that I have gotten to work is http://www.lewed.net/ep3/index.html No telling how long that will be up.