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Azureus Decentralizes Bittorrent
BobPaul writes "While the eXeem project to decentralize Bittorrent remains in open beta, the Azureus Java Bittorrent project has recently released a major update that, among other things offers 'a distributed, decentralised database that can be used to track decentralised torrents. This permits both "trackerless" torrents and the maintenance of swarms where the tracker has become unavailable or where the torrent was removed from the tracker.' It doesn't contain the search functionality of eXeem, but it's also not a beta product and is licensed under the GPL. Could this and compatible clients be the replacement to SuprNova and Lokitorrents, or does the lack of search negate its effectiveness?"
... but the RIAA/MPAA lawyer teams don't need to start hiring again just yet.
does the lack of search negate its effectiveness?
I'd say it "limits" it's effectiveness, not negates it. It's not really de-centralized if you still have to rely on sites like suprnova in order to search for stuff, is it? This is a major reason why BitTorrent hasn't completely dominated eMule yet.
But since this removes another potential point of failure in the network (the tracker), it is still a good thing(tm).
I don't think Exeem has anything to worry about.
Torrents could be distributed in the swarms too. Possibly according to user preferences if the swarm has many torrents/many types of data. Could get really nice. We do need a python version though..
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After upgrading a few hours ago, I opened up the appropriate UDP prts as requested (pol;itely I might add) & watched the number of clients that I was trackerlessly connected to rise from ~50,000 ot more than 76,000
I've used it for a long time now, but the latest itteration just seems to go beyond the call of duty.
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This kind of thing is not new ANts P2P is a decentralized, encrypted anonymous protocol that works in the same way as BitTorrent. From the page "ANts P2P realizes a third generation P2P net. It protects your privacy while you are connected and makes you not trackable, hiding your identity (ip) and crypting everything you are sending/receiving from others." Why not give that a try?
This is a little like Shareaza.
Shareaza has support for Gnutella, Gnutella 2, Edonkey and Bittorrent. As it provides a "bridge" between these networks, it means I am able to search for torrents from the two Gnutella networks, and edk. When I have this torrent, I can open it using the bittorrent part of Shareaza, and if that torrent is down, Shareaza will still hash the torrent and attempt to download the appropriate files from the Gnutella and eDonkey neworks. It's a nice idea, and really unites all the various p2p methods, using each method's strength to give an all round solid result.
I'm surprised that it's taken Azureus this long to catch up, and I'm sure we'll start to see a lot more bittorrent clients either offering their own solutions to this issue, or as in the case of Shareaza, using existing p2p networks to give backup to the Bittorrent protocol.
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I gained a lot of respect for Java apps when I tried Azureus for the first time. It was at least 6-7x faster than the official client or Tomato Torrent on OS X, and it connects to way more hosts for me. Like I said, I'm on OS X, so I've never tried exeem.
Making it easier to get to torrents is all well and good, but let's keep in mind that most of the *legal* stuff available through bittorrent is easy to find as it is.
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How will the trackerless stuff interact with sites that require login? In the normal case you would login to the website and after that the tracker only allows you to connect from the same IP, but does the new trackerless thingie allow anyone to connect to these swarms? Might be (way too) good way to get past share ratio requirements.
" or does the lack of search negate its effectiveness?"
No the lack of search is exactly what differentiates the BitTorrent network (though its not really a network is it? It piggy backs off webservers) from other P2P apps.
The bittorrent client BitComet has been doing this for a long time now.
Simply what it does is shares lists of peers between clients for matching infohashes...
It dosn't nessecerely decentralize it or remove the need for a tracker, as you need to get at least 1 ip from a member of the swarm (who has a compatible client)
It can help to get new peers if a tracker fails half way through, but you still need the initial peers ips from a tracker or similar.
It also looks like they integrated Tor into the client, which should lead to fairly interesting results. When a client as popular as Azureus has anonymity built in, I think some people might be angry.
When the **AA see an IP address downloading from an infringing torrent, they direct their lawsuits towards the account holder for that IP. This puts people running Tor at risk of being sued. Is "It wasn't me, it was another Tor user" a valid defense? Are people going to be held accountable for the traffic that passes through their Tor server?
Be realistic. Yeah, Bittorrent has plenty of legit uses. But do you really think that's what most people use it for? I'd say most are looking for porn, movies, software, etc. Look at it this way, guns can be used to hunt for food. But the truth is, 99% of gun use is against people. You can argue about their legitimate use and bad rap 'till you're blue in the face, but the legitimate uses are statistically outweighed by bad ones. The same applies to Bittorrent.
/. mods always mod down any p2p software critics? It is supposed to be an open forum! too bad I just used 5 mod points if not I would have modded up GP... INSIGHTFUL, maybe you do not like it but, it has some truth.
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Isn't this the same feature that has been getting Bitcomet clients banned from various trackers?
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This is perfect for those times when you want to pirate software and write "in depth" reviews about it.
I was also interested to see they included 'Joltid Peer Cache (JPC)' - in their words "Joltid Peer Cache (JPC) is now integrated into Azureus. For users whose ISP support this, JPC should allow faster downloads, while helping the ISP reduce its bandwidth costs. The JPC Plugin is safe in the way that your ISP won't know what you are downloading, and can't use it to spy on you."
Given that torrents are supposed to account from anywhere between 30-70% of all internet traffic, depending on who you believe - this could go a long way towards easing bandwidth consumption issues. Of course, I have no idea how many ISPs are actually using this, the website http://www.joltid.com/index.php/peercache/ is rather limited in it's information, and a google for the name reveals that there is still some question over the legality, so a lot of ISPs are keeping their heads down and using it on the quiet.
For flash traffic, such as a new game demo being released - or even torrented anime, which often sees in excess of 10-20 thousand people downloading it within 48 hours for the more popular series, this could save ISPs a lot of money.
You obviously have neither parents nor an Uncle Bob who "knows computers" but who is always ringing you up for advise.
Yeah, right.
I heard about eXeem a while back when SuprNova disbanded... the creator's next project or something. I also heard that it was being backed by spyware companies... so I haven't jumped to try it out. Could someone who has tried out eXeem give their thoughts about it?
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I run azurus with a P3 500 w/ 168 MB RAM. I use it for lots of other thigngs too. I notice when it sucks up bandwith, but not resources.
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BT is not anonymous, nor are these attempts at decentralizing BT. They are simply a match-making service pairing off peers. Ants (and Freenet+++) try to create an anonymous network, which means acting as data proxies.
That means
a) helluva lot more complexity in terms of making it work
b) lots of complexity in making it actually anonymous
c) massive loss of bandwidth due to proxying data around
Judging by the website:
"NOTE: The only way to speed up the ANts connection system is to let the net grow. Only with a reasonable number of high speed peers (i.e. peers that handles up to 30 connections) properly configured (firewall, ip etc.) initial connection can be easy and fast. So don't care about connection speed by now... let your node run and it will find peers or they will find it! DON't ASK TOO MUCH TO A NET MADE UP OF 20/30 peers..."
I call shenanigans. The demand will scale with the supply, in fact you start running into MORE problems with finding content on a large network, not less. See Freenet. Oh, and I hope the actual number of nodes is higher. With that few, you can map out the entire network and analyze it apart almost no matter how brilliant the software is...
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Was looking foward to using as as soon as i heard they updated.But looks like the OSX port is not avalible yet.Must be working a version that is compatible with Tiger.
Sure, search for decentralised trackers might be convenient; but it would probably make it rather easier for everyone(read *IAA) to find all the good stuff rather quickly. Without search we've got a formidable tool; bittorrent efficiency added onto the standard "I know a guy who knows a guy" search method of the good old social darknet.
This tech should be very useful on the public trackers (no registration required) as the torrents will continue to work even when the tracker is offline.
But what about the sites where a ratio is enforced so people seed and not just leech? This might break it as the clients might not talk to the main tracker anymore.
Is it even possible to enforce share ratios with distributed tracking?
I have been following anatomic which seems to be a similar project, but uses gnutella as the supernode, and a modified BitTornado client. Looks like Azureus is much more mature though.
As far as 'warezing' is concerned (99% of traffic), BT is a terrible protocol. The trouble is, these kids see the speed of BT and think thats the way to go. They realise the centralisation is a problem, and so try to fix that. Without realising they are just reinventing the wheel. They think they are going to get the best of both worlds, because they are just warezing kids and don't know any better.
How is eMule any better? It certainly doesn't protect your anonymity. The eMule server acts in much the same role as the BT server, except the speeds are better on BT. Remove the tracker, and you got a "flash mob" of peers. Each dumpsite could just point to one member of the swarm, making it ten or a hundred targets instead of one lone tracker. BT has always been about security in numbers, except the users have been many and the sites many, but the tracker only one. How do you stop a hundred sites giving a hundred leads to a swarm of thousands of users? You simply don't.
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How do you propose that how much broadcast television watching (other than for Nielsen families or TiVo users) was to be "tracked?"
I too have felt the cold finger of injustice.
maybe because of this line: "But the truth is, 99% of gun use is against people"
.1% is against people. I don't know where the hell you live, but whatever city it is - I promise the number of hunters in that area outnumber the number of people who shot a person in that same area by at least 100 to 1. Here at work with me (in NY, no less), about 1/4 of the people hunt. Not a single one of them has ever shot a person - oddly enough, having been in the military I am the one here that comes closest.
I'd have to venture a guess that 95% of gun use is against targets, 4.9% is against animals, and less than
unless that city is Bagdad....not many animals around there, and lots of people shooting each other.
Wait a minute, I thought Bittorrent was OVERWHELMINGLY used for legitimate purposes, with only a small percentage of users having the audacity to (gasp) break copyright law (if you're to believe what's said on Slashdot).
Why the need for decentralized trackers? I don't get it! Bittorrent is supposed to be a haven for law-abiding citizens to trade Linux ISOs and Project Gutenberg text files.
Nice work, but the thing that needs to be worked on is hiding the users IP addresses. How abuot bouncing ICMP packets with the data in the payload from hosts with the return address set to the recipient, and the source address set randomly? That way no-one knows the senders IP. You'd need some kind of out of band broadcast system for asking for files too.
Get your own free personal location tracker
...because if you're running something other than Solaris/Linux/Windows on a x86{,-64} or Sparc box, 80% of the Java software out there won't work.
Whereas the *full* Python VM is available for just about *every* platform I can think of right now.
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I can't get it to run on OSX behind a firewall, but my PC computer (which for some reasons, seems to have no problem with this) Azerus is really really slow when compared to C++ competetors like BitComet. The difference is insane.
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I find it in-fucking-credible that Slashdot editors are willing to post an item that includes comments to the effect of: "gee, I hope [insert name of software/network/strategy] allows us to easily replicate the behaviour of [insert name of some other software/network/strategy that has previously been shut down for basically doing nothing but providing a system for people to easily infringe copyright, and more often than not charging users to do it]!"
BitTorrent is great. p2p is great, in general. But continually highlighting how great it is for piracy (yeh, regardless of how lame the RIAA/MPAA are) just puts more negative attention on it and further affixes the concept of "p2p is bad" in people's minds, rather than what they should be thinking.
I don't know if slashdot editors actually are willing to edit posts rather than just put them up (I can see reasons for doing it and reasons for not doing it), but this post would have been just super without the last sentence.
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How, exactly, do you propose that ANYONE knows how I view my television shows?
Furthermore, are you trying to say that you think that Neilson familes are teh 1337 h4xX0r5 that watch TV via bittorrent? It's not like they have gnomes in every home that MONITOR your watching of TV/Videos. Do you, per chance, wear a tinfoil hat?
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Why would you have to shut it down for other things? You realize you can throttle the up/down torrent bandwidth within the application, don't you? In Azureus, you can change the values without having to restart the app, too.
Use emule to find your popular torrents ("britney spears"). Download using your favourite torrent client.
Use emule to find and download your impopular files ( ancient games )
The torrent protocol does work great for popular files, and with this new extension it is less dependand on a central tracker.
I doubt it. Look at Battlestar Gallactice, which was downloaded left/right/up and down around the globe. It still managed to get renewed.
Nah, I think it's because Enterprise didn't know what direction it was going.
Seems to me that the most obvious way to decentralise bittorrent would be to just have a separate gnutella network solely for .torrent files, along with a hack in the client that automatically runs bittorrent on the downloaded files.
Gnutella has progressed over the years, and is the fastest P2P app I know for small files. It would handle searching etc. too, and if you've tried a client like gtk-gnutella, you know that high-quality filtering is no problem.
Doesn't work too well for me though. I've throttled like Homer on Bart but it still takes all my bandwidth.
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But Azereus isn't "insanely" slow either. I get the same throughput from either (Azereus on OS X vs. BitComet on Windows).
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Exactly how long does this decentralized system take to recognize that someone is no longer connected, don't want to talk and (especially) has perhaps handed the DHCP IP address to the next person? I think I'll give it another try, but if I get results like last night I'll either disable that feature or give Azureus the boot.
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
Azureus has for a while now, cached the results of your last successful tracker scrape. So you could close it, then reload it later and even before connecting to the tracker, still have a bunch of IP's ready to try.
Let's get some perspective. 266MHz isn't "a year or two" ago, it's been SEVEN YEARS since Intel released the P2 @ 266mhz. I have a 233MHz from that era, and you can barely even run Firefox on it (IE runs "OK"). Furthermore, 1997-1998 would be the era of Java 1.1 and 1.2, which were significantly slower.
These days, and since the year 2000 with the release of Java 1.3, Java UI's have been very usable. And Java is much faster than Python; it's comparing mixed mode dynamic compilation (Java) vs. interpreted (Python)! Pysco's JIT release in 2003 may have sped things up somewhat, but it's far from mainstream.
As for running on a 266Mhz machine, what's "plenty" of Python apps? Were they all graphical? I think you'd find graphical Python to be pretty pokey (pyGTK or what have you). Command-line Java is pretty fast.
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...that's still a valid question.
Some answers:
1) If a big, high-bandwidth tracker dies, everybody can keep downloading, and can even create a URL that lets new people join the torrent.
2) If a little guy without the bandwidth to run a mega-tracker wants to create a torrent, and for whatever reason doesn't want to upload to a public tracker, he can publish a distributed URL which shares the burden of both downloads and tracking amongst the other peers. I imagine this will be particularly useful in limited-interest torrents. For example in intranets, or if the torrent is such that it would be booted from a public tracker (for being eg: too niche).
3) It simplifies the job of torrent-aggregating sites too. They don't need to publish torrent files or maintain trackers. They can just list these textual URLs and let Azureus do the heavy lifting.
I don't know the details, but I can reasonably assume this new system does the same thing, maintains a partially connected mesh. Otherwise on really popular torrents you might spend the first half hour downloading IPs! That would just be silly.
When I open the jar this appears in my console:
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Where did you change the rates? You can change the up/down limits for the entire program or for individual torrents. (So if you had multiple torrents and only cut back one, the others would expand to fill the bandwidth.)
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
So I was thinking ... why not use something like BitTorrent as the item distribution engine?
NOTE: Yes, systems like StarTeam and MKS use distributed replication or proxy servers. They're on the short list. And thanks, please don't suggest <insert mom's favorite version control system>. Our needs go way beyond simple VC.
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This is so dumb:
the replacement to SuprNova and Lokitorrents, or does the lack of
search negate its effectiveness?"
The point is to complete your 1.4 GB download
that is at 1.0 GBs, not to search. You can easily
search for torrents and trackers and torrent search engine
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just type allinurl:torrent simpsons season OR complete
I think the amount of led shot off in WWII is more than has ever used for hunting. But, in the US most people use guns to hit targets or animals and not people.
As to target's I think more people shot at targets learning how to hit people than shoot at targets learning how to hit animals.
Rather a lot of bullets are spent on paper and animal targets. More than 1% of the total, guaranteed.
A significant portion of the vs-person use of guns is justified and legal and occurs every day all around the world. Self-defense and apprehension of criminals being the two most common examples.
Using extreme exaggeration as an appeal to authority is self-defeating. Easpecially when you attempt to lay down 'the truth'.
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Hokey statistics and ancient misconceptions are no match for a good thought in your head, kid!
Seriously, if you want to know why Azureus is so damn cool, just click on the new "swarm" tab on a running torrent. Ye gods, but that's beauty! Perfectly abstract, instantly comprehensible, informative in realtime, mesmerizing as a screensaver. You have to respect the kind of people who'd think up something like that.
(Karma bonus turned off because this is OT, but damn, I just had to say that.)
"Eyes wide shut" is porn?
You need to spend more time on the internet.
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I don't think there are many hunters in Baghdad.
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Again: "99% of gun use is against people" was the claim. I'm not going to argue statistics for a war that ended before my parents were even born...not in a discussion about what gun use "is" - a present-tense word.
Additionally - having spent quite a lot of time at ranges, I have to emphatically disagree with your assessment on target practice. One doesn't learn how to hit people, one learns how to aim. Apply that aiming practice to shooting tires, birds, deer, people - whatever you like - but I've yet to hear of a range where the targets were live humans (though I have heard about animals).
I've just completed a Master's project on incorporating Reputation Management into BitTorrent. The idea is that if you give file slices first to people who are likely to stay connected and share, it will increase the overall bandwidth of the system and eventually increase everyone's performance. My simulation results show an average speedup of 5% for everyone in the network (good citizens get up to 15% speedup). I don't have a website, but if anyone wants to contact me about getting my research into the spec, I'd be happy to send you the paper.
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Sun would have fit if you called an SWT application a java application. Which in turn proves that Sun is truly a hardware company and has always been. Java has been wasted on Sun.
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Plus, there is no official support for non-Windows platforms.
The eMule client itself is not official. If you want official, look at eDonkey Basic for Linux. Or just use mldonkey like everyone else does.
Bottom right hand corner of the screen. I believe that's the global settings...
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A lot of peopld shoot at targets just for the fun of it, not really doing it to learn to shoot people or animals. Clay pigeons for example. A very large number of people participating in that sport do not hunt, and it certainly doesn't train you for defensive (or offensive) shooting against human targets, but people still do it and have fun nonetheless.
Shooting can be FUN. Not violent. It's an activity that takes a lot of skill to do right. Learning windage adjustments. Learning the temperment of your weapon. Recording datasets and adjusting your loadings to shrink a target group. Bedding the action or recrowning a barrel. There is a lot of work to shooting accurately, and a lot of people enjoy that activity just as an activity, with no ulterior motive (no more than any basketball player, football player, or golfer has).
That's where I think the gap exists. There's a large group of people out there that have the unwaivering belief that guns are out there only to kill people. Target practice? Oh yeah they're training to kill people. Hunting? Yeah they're just satisfying a violent streak. They'll break and kill people eventually. Self defense? They're just looking for an excuse to kill people.
Despite so much evidence to the contrary you still have people with the severest case of tunnel-vision I've every seen.
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My advice is just to BUY the DVD you were going to rip off.
Can you point me to an online store selling a legit copy of Walt Disney Pictures' Song of the South?
It's got replication, highly configurable workflow management, and is integrated fully with Synergy/Change and DOORS. It also has a nifty feature called ActiveCM, which is an explorer SCM integration that rocks for uninitiated users. Like Tortoise{CVS|SVN} only smarter. Just a thought. I recently reviewed them for a Change/SCM software purchase by my client. They went (against my recommendation) with IBM.
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You see, most gun users use them for recreation.
Most of the time on /. I read ultra-liberal views and I take them with a grain of salt. But you my friend are so far off- and with information like that you are part of the problem. You are helping to create a society of frieghtened, irrational people that look to the government for answers- and you wouldn't mind if they had to raise your taxes (and give up some of your liberties) to do it.
Be self sufficient. Work hard. Stand up for what you believe in.
Don't just watch the evening news and think that that is reflective of our society today. Otherwise, you will be a very depressed, cynical person.
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The gun analogy is flamebait. *ducks troll mod*
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Again: "99% of gun use is against people" was the claim. I'm not going to argue statistics for a war that ended before my parents were even born...not in a discussion about what gun use "is" - a present-tense word.
Parent was using WWII just as an example. There are more than dozen wars going on right now around the world, and even more lesser conflicts, with thousands and thousands of people dying in them. The amount of gun use for hunting or stuff like that is small when compared to shooting humans, at present.
wrong. Thousands are dieing in wars, but hundreds of thousands of animals are getting shot.
And both, combined, are blips compared to target practice.
Ummm, yeah. 99 out of 100 rounds purchased at Walmart are used against people. Maybe 99/100 P2P downloads are less than pure, but you are so far from insightful it hurts.
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...Clay pigeons for example. A very large number of people participating in that sport do not hunt, and it certainly doesn't train you for defensive (or offensive) shooting against human targets
Unless the human target is currently flying through the air in front of you, of course.
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Look up how much ammo was produced in WWII.
Millions of people died but for each of those 10-100's of rounds where shot off. In hunting its 1-3 shots a kill but in war you use suppressor fire and take shots you think might hit someone. Look at how many plane's where shot down in WWII and think of the 1,000's of rounds that where fired to get that each kill.
Hell, take Vietnam it might have been a small war as such things go but the amount of ammo shot off was just insane.
I'm sorry but the gun was not invented for recreational use. It was invented as a weapon of war to maim and destroy people.
Well it's worked well enough at maiming your ability to have a rational discourse, so mission accomplished!
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True, though GP was insinutating that he meant *illegal* use against people, seeing how the analogy was to illegal use of peer to peer.
So, while a LOT of gun use has been in wars against people, that doesn't rate as illegal.
Either way, even though the statistic is BS, the underlying point is correct. I wish folks wouldn't reinforce good points with stats that *are* flamebait (after all, this isn't a discussion about gun control or use, but about peer to peer).
Sun would have fit if you called an SWT application a java application.
Sorry, they really don't care if you use Swing, AWt, SWT, or roll your own. The core app is still Java no matter how you slice it.
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This is only a valid comment if raters who are tracked didn't watch Enterprise because they downloaded it.
In a fundamental way, ratings are a crock. They do not reflect what real people are doing necessarily and it is not in the ratings companies interest to show reality if total usage is dropping. The networks give them heavy pressure when the numbers drop too much.
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those Paris Hilton Torrents wont be broken!
A lot of bittorrent use is sort of "grey market" infringment. Like missing "Survivor" at the regular time, so you downloaded it, or downloading things like "Doctor Who" in the US where there is no legitimate way to watch it.
But more to the point, legally speaking, it doesn't matter of the majority of uses are illegitimate. What matters is if there is a significate legitimate use. That's trivial to show for bittorrent.
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Good point, you should have done it rather than posting about it.
Here are some statistics for your hungry little minds.
From the Illinois Council against Handgun Violence
Digging a little deeper, from the Department of Justice
And from the Burlington Free Press
Not a direct comparison, but it's hard to find numbers detailing the number of times a gun was discharged at a person versus discharged at an animal or target. Nevertheless, it's pretty apparent the original poster was incorrect. The vast majority of shooting in the US is not at people, but at animals and targets.
So, back on topic. The analogy was not a good one. A closer analogy could be made for handguns (handguns are not designed for hunting, but a lot of people do use them for target practice), but it still wouldn't be a good one.
Legally, its SMART to just transfer files.
The biggest flaw in torrents is the trackers. They needed to make it somewhat distributed.
If you want to search/browse, use something else. I can't wait for the day when I can click a link in my browser and it downloads just like ftp/http does.
There are many ways to go about it that do not involve some sort of large p2p network.
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Anyway, these are the papers I mentioned:
The question is: why do these people insist on developing their own isolated software instead of using established protocols and systems ? Just merge Bittorrent and gnutella/edonkey and be done with it.
Merging the code would likely be even more difficult that adding code to either product to achieve a similar result. Even if you were to successfully merge the code, you'd probably end up with an inferior product to maintain backwards compatibility with the older un-merged clients.
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"everyone in the military, and police forces learn how to hit people"
I guess you missed where I said I was in the military. Marines, 0311. Lemme know if you think I shot enough weapons for your tastes. When I signed up, I put 03 as my MOS of choice.
You do NOT learn to shoot people. You learn to AIM. The one way (almost all) people are able to shoot another human being is to momentarily forget that they other person is, in fact, a human being. Once someone knows how to aim, they generally can keep that up without constant practice. Further practice is then for psychological reasons, not to learn to aim (or learning to do anything). Its so that if you have to shoot a person, you can pretend you're just shooting a target - because you've done that so often. You zone. If you don't detach yourself, you break. Only an insane person could handle learning how to shoot a *person*.
But now you finally say what you mean - handguns. Yes, "handguns are made for killin, they ain't no good for nothin else" - to quote a little Skynard.
this isn't a semantics retort - when you shoot down a plane, you're shooting down a plane...not a person. It's actually preferable that the pilot lives (esp if injured). Kill an enemy, take out 1 opponent and harden the resolve of the rest. Wound an enemy, take out 3 opponents, and weaken the resolve of the rest.
Try seeding 30 or 40 torrents out of a modest (2GHz, 1GB RAM) machine sometime. It's horrible. If you're web browsing, editing/encoding video, using PhotoShop, scanning film, etc on the same machine, you'll be crying.
If you were doing all of that on a 2GHz with only 1GB RAM, you'd be crying even if you weren't running Azureus.
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This is not about plain language adovocating and flamebait, but about interoperability which, IMHO, is Good Thind ©. ;-)
You do know that the original and still quite popular BT client is written in python, right? And that there are other quite popular bittorrent clients written in python, right? -- see sourceforge TopDownloaded...
As you can see, a python client would be very interesting for the whole BT community.
besides for scum sucking pirates. The story even hints at this use:
Could this and compatible clients be the replacement to SuprNova and Lokitorrents, or does the lack of search negate its effectiveness?"
ignoring the fact that Lokitorrent and Suprnova would still be in business if they had trackers to legal files (like Linux distros) instead of illegal pirated music/movies/software.
All of the pirates can go fcuk themselves. The more you hide, the worse the penalties will be.. and the more inclined content creators will be to use draconian measures to protect their intellectual property.
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Despite so much evidence to the contrary you still have people with the severest case of tunnel-vision I've every seen.
I used to shoot targets for fun and I don't even own a gun nor I have permit to carry one. And, yes, it takes lot of skill. The only reason I stopped was that I have hearing problems and even with protectors my ears hurt. I've always suffered from tinnitus and decided to quit shooting just in case it was going to make my problem worse.
I've been thinking of taking up archery. Oddly enough you don't see these people protesting against that and an arrow/bolt can be just as deadly as a bullet.
Can anybody recommend a beginner's bow?
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Hammered? What kinds of bandwidth usage were you seeing? I'm getting 175 bytes per second on DHT right now; if you stop responding that should only go down with time. I wouldn't overreact to the UDP packets coming in unless they're of sufficient volume to actually affect your connection speed.
Can anybody recommend a beginner's bow?
It's been a while since I've really messed with it but a friend of mine who is very much into archery (whenever I shoot I always borrow one of hiw bows) always recommended that I get a PSE if I were to buy one of my own (he shoots one of the higher end Browning bows). Just make sure you get one setup with the proper pull length and weight for your size/strength.
Sorry to hear about you giving up shooting. I'm sure that with a
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If there is no higher power than the physical laws of the universe, then guns are just as "natural" and uninvented as sex.
By this reasoning the concept of "invented" is meaningless and free will is an illusion.
Not that I necessarily disagree with that sentiment...
I could just ignore it, but I really hate unexplained traffic and it always makes me check the logs and Tcpview to see what's going on.
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OK, so you're probably more legit than that, but it was the first thought I had when I read your post.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
"Could this and compatible clients be the replacement to SuprNova and Lokitorrents, or does the lack of search negate its effectiveness?"
The lack of a system that obfuscates the source and destination of data to prevent the RIAA/MPAA/etc from seeing what you are downloading is the feature everyone should be demanding. Decentralising torrents won't make it any harder to have your IP tracked and your identity revealed by court order.
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Shooting can be FUN. Not violent.
...or, shooting can be fun AND violent! Kidding! I'm about as far left on the spectrum as possible and I agree. A gun is a tool. Same as a knife, a sword, an axe, a crossbow, TNT, etc. Though guns do go into a slightly different category because it makes it easer to kill without feeling like you actually killed, it's still left to the responsibility of the owner.
I wish people would place more emphasis on responsibility instead of trying to ban things (and this extends far beyond guns).
With any amount of insight, it should be obvious by now that pr0n and w4r3z are the main force driving the demand for bandwidth and other hardware.
Whatever your stance on copyright issues and such, the fact of the matter is that the technological revolution that has put a PC in most any home in the so-called developed world COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED without piracy. What we call "p2p" today is just a relatively new way to do the same thing that has been going on since the floppy disk became standard.
I used to swap floppies via snailmail, long before any normal person had a modem at home. Which was perfectly cool, since neither RIAA, MPAA, BSA or whathaveyounot were legally allowed to inspect mail. I used to get thick envelopes full of floppies from Iceland, Finland, Germany, England, Italy, all over the place. And sent full floppies back. Chock full of warez from such fine groups as Pompey Pirates, Automation, Bad Brew Crew and others. I'm sure there are representatives for the "I used to bang rocks together to get ones and zeroes"-crowd out there who are getting ready to jump in right now and claim to have been trading fortran code written with a quilt pen for making punchcard nudie pics decades ago, or whatever.
Where would the PC be today without warez? Would 200GB hard-drives would be standard in workstations at this moment, if it weren't for good old warez? Would "Doom" have been a success if almost every kid on the planet with a computer had a pirate copy? Would people buy graphics cards twice the price of a standalone games console if they had to buy every title they wanted to play? Would the PC so completely dominate the computer games industry if it weren't for piracy? Would CD-burners ever have gotten into the home?
I can't say. Probably not. What I do know is that digital piracy has had a significant impact and has made all of us "consumers" spend our money differently. We have for instance neglected to buy as many copies of Britney Spears' ".. baby one more time" as we did Michael Jackson's "Thriller". Which you can interpret together with estimated downloads on p2p networks and say "kids aren't buying music any more, they're downloading it for free instead". Or you can try to grep reality and see that most kids spend their money on a lot more things now than they did. There are more shiny objects of desire to aquire than yesterday. The stars are standing shoulder to shoulder where before there were only a few, and when a star fails to sell any records, a new one is there before you can say "overhyped musically insignificant crap". Not only music artists and cinema tickets and rentals are avaliable any more. DVDs, cell phone content, handheld games, computer games, console games, online games, and so on.
I bet a good portion of the people who fail to show up at the screening of whatever "kung fu cop" movie is screening at the moment are at home watching something really good that they would have NEVER heard of were it not for piracy, like for instance this really good Thai martial arts/action movie which you would probably have never come across if I had not given you a tip: Ong-Bak.2003.DVDRip.XviD-VALiOMEDiA
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The freedom of piracy means that people are able to experience the state of the art, even if they aren't aware of the product, can't afford it, can't find it, or maybe even are too stingy to buy. But so what, because through this sharing of data people are discerning the crap from the useful. People are recommending things to each other. Quality prevails in piracy, because it is natural selection. As people discover the new possibilities of various pieces of technology, they start to desire it. This sort marketing cannot be bought. For the companies that have good products at affordable prices and with good avaliability
More accuratly, a gun is designed to propel a projectile in a specified direction. The accuracy and power of the gun depends on the design decisions for size, weight, reliability, operation, etc...
The projectile may or may not be designed to kill.
For example, there are beanbag, pepper, and gas rounds designed to be fired from a shotgun. On the other hand, hollow points are designed to expand, helping to ensure maximum energy transmission and disruption of tissue. Softpoints do the same thing, but with more penetration. These are usually used to help insure a humane kill on larger game. FMJ(Full Metal Jacket) is used by the military due to treaty and convention and target shooters due to its inexpensive nature and accuracy. Fragmentary is used in steel target shooting to ensure that the round doesn't deflect back, and to prevent overpenetration (glasers on a plane).
And who says that killing is necessarily bad? You can kill for food (Good), kill for self-defense(Good, some may argue), kill to defend others (IE police, bodyguards), kill to defend property (why should the bank's money be better protected than the female college student?).
And remember, we wouldn't suddenly be peaceful if all the guns went *poof*. We made do with swords, spears, bows, knives, hammers, etc long before guns came along. The difference is that a gun is usable by just about anybody, a physically fit individual doesn't have as great of an advantage when the weapons are guns rather than a sword. You get rid of guns, and we're back to the strong having the run of the weak.
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So do you have any links to a .torrent of the song?!
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Shareaza uses the G2 network to search for other sources for a trackerless or dead torrent. This is something that no other client did, but still is not as efficient as one would think, mainly because 'global' searches don't reach quite as far as they need to to be effective. However, Azureus is using a technology known as DHT to accomplish the source discovery. This is much more efficient than most of the current P2P topologies (G2, Gnutella, ED2K). Long story short, it's mainly useful for situations where you know a unique identifier for an object, and need to find someone else with that same object. In this case the hash of the torrent is unique, and the address of someone else downloading it is what you want.
A few P2P networks have added DHT overlays to their networks for source finding, while still using the traditional network for the much less precise keyword finding. Morpheus has Neonet and eDonkey has overnet. eMule has Kademlia, which also searches by keyword in the DHT.
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I'd have to agree with ya. Rather than being brought up to control ourselves and take personal responsibility for our actions, we're instead told that "it was that demon Rammstein music", or "he played too much Grand Theft Auto". But the simple fact is, it's easier to blame it on something else than to take personal responsibility. So as long as society continues to see that as acceptable (frivolous lawsuits anyone?) how can we expect that trend to change?
"I'm sorry but the gun was not invented for recreational use. It was invented as a weapon of war to maim and destroy people."
...or to make hunting a bit easier. Yea, ok, so you don't need an AR-10 to take out a deer -- but your sweeping generalization above could not go untouched. There are PLENTY of legitimate, recreational uses for guns including target practice, hunting, pest control, and others. Saying the gun was invented ONLY to kill people tells me you've never even been around a gun and are most certainly unqualified to make such an assertation.
Thost bullets don't have "fear me" written on them, they're made of soft lead designed to leave a large exit wound.
Actually a large exit wound means the soft lead bullet failed to do it's job to the best of it's abilities. An exit wound of any size means that the bullet passed through the target with at least some energy - energy that would have been better spent causing damage and shock inside the target.
BTW - I'll mention as a little aside - most gunshot victims die of shock, not tissue damage nor blood loss.
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Yeah American terrorism is +3 funny. Oh, my mistake. If such an act is committed by the American military its no longer considered terrorism - merely "liberation", "installing democracy" or "anti-terrorism". ha ha. Does anyone else find it a little strange that the country with the largest ratio of guns to people on earth is also the country that has has its finger on the trigger of every major international political coup in living memory?
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Bittorrent is a three-stage download process (search/read site, download torrent, download via bittorrent), and two-stage upload process (generate torrent, share) at least. By contrast, most p2p apps are two-stage download (search, download), and one stage upload (share file, or drop in a folder). It's simple common sense to streamline the process with previously available technology.
probably due to good safety training... as soon as you stop thinking of a gun as a weapon you become a lot more dangerous to the people around you.
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Wow - did not know there was so much anti-java vitriol out there. Anyway thanks for the comments - the auto update is now downloading from Downloading: http://citkit.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/azure us/Azureus2.3.0.0.jar.torrent
Now restarted in 2.3.0.0 and working fine. Thanks for other informative comments too.
For the same reason they mod those same posts up -- because moderators are simply normal slashdot users who visit the site for a certain amount of time, between those who never visit and those who compulsively do so. There are many many moderators at once, and they don't have to have the same opinions. Such posts they disagree with *are* flamebait in the sense that a flamewar will probably follow, which is why the moderation is similarly two-faced.
It's been a long time.
Not all flamebait is rude and offensive. Well written flamebait starts the flamewar without using cheap tactics.
It may not even be intended as flamebait. Maybe unintended troll would be a good classification. Forget about the slashdot moderation system anyway. It's useless. Same with that whole friends-foes thing...
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But I think another part of the argument can go: "Why can't you find some passtime that uses something that isn't designed to kill?"
I'm sure shooting can be fun and rewarding etc. But the issue is that you're using and encouraging use of deadly weapons.
I dunno... it just seems to me that there are passtimes that can be enjoyed that don't involve deadly weapons
I hope they don't add search. Centrality probably accounts for the higher speeds. But now you can transfer something through bittorrent without or tracker or even a .torrent file. Try magnet:?xt=urn:btih:ORCY7N3UWSZ7RXTZ3BSNEKWL3AJ3H4 MX in the open location. Nice picture of a giraffe I took.
There are, and if you wish to partake in them, feel free. That's the thing though, we (are supposed to) live in a FREE country. I've never hurt anyone with my guns (and I own 17 of them); I observe all applicable safety rules and pose a threat to no one. Anyone who tells me I'm doing wrong based on some pre-concieved notion that A PIECE OF METAL has an agenda can take a hike. It doesn't matter what something is designed for; it matters how it's used.
And yes I encourage the use of deadly weapons. I think that the more people who are familiar with guns the better. Not only for an enjoyment standpoint, but if more people were familiar with them (ESPECIALLY youngsters) you'd see far fewer accidents. I'd be all in favor of allowing one-time tax deduction of up to $1000 for the purchase of a gun by anyone legally able to do so.
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you know...I have to agree with you. I didn't actually intend for that to come off as funny...was just excluding it from the list of cities where hunters outnumber people shooting people by 100 to 1.
Does anyone have a clue what this I2P techonology is and how the azureus plugin incorporates it into bittorrent. Thanks.
I've always thought of BT's lack of built-in search as an asset. Distributed search is dreck, or at least all modern incarnations thereof. The problems of file quality, mesh instability, bandwidth waste, info reachability cannot be solved, because they're inherent in working with a sparsely-connected crowd of strangers.
Distributed search seems to me to be an artefact of its time. Then the choices were a single vulnerable center, or compromise utility to remove the center. Napster versus Gnutella.
More modern BT has many centers with seperation of function so files can be seeded from one box, tracked on another, and listed on a third. BT's search sites like suprnova are centralized (with all the advantages), but expendable. The sum of all search sites is effectively immortal.
Kill an enemy, take out 1 opponent and harden the resolve of the rest. Wound an enemy, take out 3 opponents, and weaken the resolve of the rest.
I understand the idea behind this but think in modern warfare this is an overstated idea. The goal of war is to neutralize the enemy's ability / willingness to make war. Now having a large number of wounded pilots is a detrimental, but removing most / all skilled pilots is probably more detrimental. In many cases it's a lot easer to make a new plane than to train a new pilot. So having many countries would trade 50% wounded pilots in order to keep 50% fully trained pilots.
I think we can agree that over the last 100 years war has been an important factor to the US's and the worlds manufacture of firearms and ammo. Granted, inside the US more ammo is probably used for target practice than hunting and more for hunting animals than people, but trying to call most guns benign is overstating that idea.
PS: Ok for your average foot solder blowing off a leg is more detrimental than out right killing him in most cases but when it comes to highly trained people like fighter pilots or engineers 3 months in rehab and then back into the fight or back training there replacements is not really such a great idea.
And yes I encourage the use of deadly weapons. I think that the more people who are familiar with guns the better. Not only for an enjoyment standpoint, but if more people were familiar with them (ESPECIALLY youngsters) you'd see far fewer accidents. I'd be all in favor of allowing one-time tax deduction of up to $1000 for the purchase of a gun by anyone legally able to do so.
And right there I see you're someone (well, that and your 17 guns) who can never be reasoned with when it comes to firearms. I'm very happy to live in Australia where those who have even shot a firearm are in the minority... we seem to have FAR, FAR fewer deaths per head by firearms... or actually murders full stop actually.
Sure, the major tracker/torrent hosting websites (Loki and Suprnova) woudl still be there if the had primarily legal stuff rather than primarily illegal stuff, but one of the things that's long made Azureus great are the fact that it only uses 1 port for everything, and the integrated tracker.
So, in the old system JoeSmoe Blogger could upload a torrent to a homemovie and both seed the torrent and track the torrent using Azureus. However, on a cable/dsl modem, if you get enough people downloading eventually you'll out strip your ability to effectively track, let alone seed (which by this point, hopefully others will take over)
With the P2P tracker, you can start by tracking and seeding yourself, and then eventually drop back to "Only Seed if the number of copies on the network is less than x."
I'm sure a centrally hosted tracker would be much better, but Joe Shmoe blogger doesn't have access to a webserver, and blogger.com doesn't host torrents AFAIK. This fills the gap.
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Why the need for decentralized trackers? I don't get it! Bittorrent is supposed to be a haven for law-abiding citizens to trade Linux ISOs and Project Gutenberg text files.
One of the things that's long made Azureus great was the integrated tracker.
So, in the old system JoeSmoe Blogger could upload a torrent to a homemovie and both seed the torrent and track the torrent using Azureus. However, on a cable/dsl modem, if you get enough people downloading eventually you'll out strip your ability to effectively track, let alone seed (which by this point, hopefully others will take over)
With the P2P tracker, you can start by tracking and seeding yourself, and then eventually drop back to "Only Seed if the number of copies on the network is less than x" and not even worry about tracking. You could even drop out all together and hope the community maintains your torrent...
I'm sure a centrally hosted tracker would be much more efficient, but Joe Shmoe blogger doesn't have access to a webserver, and blogger.com doesn't host torrents AFAIK, and a lot of the public trackers stop tracking torrents after a couple of weeks (so all the late commers are stuck with a 1 gig file half done. This fills the gap.
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