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Where In the US Can You Get Just a Cell Phone?

arakon writes "I am looking around for a cell phone for my technically challenged mother and all she wants is just a phone, and yet there seem to be no carriers in the US that carry a plain cell phone with good reception and battery life. All of them bundle cameras, PDAs, MP3 players, and a kitchen sink with a battery life of 2 hours, all for the low price of $350 or more... Having looked around, the Motorola F3 is exactly what she wants but it doesn't seem to be available in the US. If we order it online will it work on US carriers? Are there any comparable products out there with a similar feature set and price range available for US networks?"

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  1. Jitterbug by Pojut · · Score: 4, Informative

    Don't know anything about them, but check out JitterBug...saw a commercial on TV...have never even ben to the website though, so no guaruntees(sp) http://www.jitterbug.com/

    1. Re:Jitterbug by Abalamahalamatandra · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yep, my folks (pushing 70) have one and like it. You can get one with predefined buttons even, much like the Firefly-type kid's phones, and can talk to an operator if you need to call someone else. Probably a good fit for her, unless she plans to call a lot - the Jitterbug plans seem somewhat pricey.

    2. Re:Jitterbug by FudRucker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      i tried the JitterBug and one peeve about the JitterBug is you can not add & remove numbers from memory yourself (like a built in phonebook) you have to have Jitterbug do it for you, the jitterbug is a little too dumbed down for my personal taste, it does save a history of dialed calls which is ok, but i rather it at least have a simple menu for adding & removing numbers & clearing history & call logs...

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    3. Re:Jitterbug by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      "all for the low price of $350 or more"

      wtf? Every cellphone company offer free phones with a new plan. At&t / Cingular have 6 free phones that cost absolutely nothing with a 2 year agreement. And if you don't want a plan then why are you even getting a cellphone??

      Why is this even on /.? The submitter is fake.

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    4. Re:Jitterbug by arakon · · Score: 2, Informative

      No I'm not fake. My mom has a plan on a GSM network that came with a crappy sony ericson (sp?) phone that loses signal, sometimes doesn't ring then notifies her she has voice mail. She needs a new one, an I don't know crap about phones since I care nothing about having one. Some of the suggestios are good, but most are talking about getting a new cell phone plan which really isn't what she wants.

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    5. Re:Jitterbug by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      go phone from att

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    6. Re:Jitterbug by strangel · · Score: 1

      "loses signal, sometimes doesn't ring then notifies her she has voice mail"

      Are you sure that it's not just her location not having good signal quality?
      I'm sure that sounds obvious, but it happens to me sometimes, depending on where I am. I'll appear to have a low signal but I'll lose my signal just long enough to miss a call, but a few seconds later my phone's back on the network and notifies me of voicemail, all without the phone ever realizing it lost its signal.
      It appears that you don't have a phone, so you have no other metric for seeing how the signal should be at any given place.
      Assuming you haven't already, I would find a friend with a phone on the same network as your mom's and see if it has the same problems in the same places.
      Also, depending on the carrier, sometimes if you tell them you're having problems such at the ones you're experiencing, they'll try to make some sort of arrangement to swap for a different model, especially if you threaten to cancel it and get sent to the customer retention department.

      Hope this helps.

    7. Re:Jitterbug by Ender_Stonebender · · Score: 1

      That "free phone" IS NOT free. It doesn't come with a new plan, they give you a rebate if you sign a new contract. You know, a legal document that says you agree to pay them a certain amount of money every month for two years, and spells out how much money you owe them if you decide to terminate the service before then? That "early termination fee" is there because phones aren't free.

      Stop salivating over the fact that "zOMG they'll give me a phone for NOTHING!" and read the goddamn fine print. Remember: The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away.

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    8. Re:Jitterbug by milgr · · Score: 1

      Sometimes the problem is with the phone. I signed up with Cingular for a go phone. At first I chose a Sony Ericson phone because it looked the best for the bucks. Unfortunately, I couldn't get reception in half of my town. I returned the phone and got a Nokia phone. Now I can get reception in 80% of town. Unfortunately, the sound quality is lousy for this model. Not a big surprise considering that I paid only $30 for the phone.

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    9. Re:Jitterbug by Lord+Ender · · Score: 2, Funny

      I doubt my Grandma would use such a cell phone unless it is rotary dial.

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    10. Re:Jitterbug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought one of the Jitterbugs for my wife's mother (in her mid-70s), and we had her using it in a few minutes. The phone is plenty loud for the hard-of-hearing, with a rubber cuff around the earpiece that cuts down outside noise.

      My wife liked it so much we ordered a second one for her. She has limited dexterity due to cerebral palsy, and the larger form of the phone made it easier to hold than most of the tiny things on the market today. The buttons are large, backlit, and have good tactile feedback. We've tested it in rural areas of Wisconsin and Upper Michigan with good results... coverage seems excellent.

      Overall, Jitterbug is a nice product for a largely overlooked market niche.

    11. Re:Jitterbug by yuna49 · · Score: 1

      Buy a used phone on eBay and move the SIM chip. Done. I replaced my daughter's phone on Cingular (now ATT) this way.

    12. Re:Jitterbug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree that Jitterbug is pricey. I got mine because I didn't need a lot of airtime and they had cheap plans. I pay $15/month for 30 minutes per month, which is plenty for me. The time actually seems to be 360 minutes for the year, so if you don't use all 30 minutes in a month, they don't disappear.

    13. Re:Jitterbug by penguinboy · · Score: 1

      I doubt my Grandma would use such a cell phone unless it is rotary dial.

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    14. Re:Jitterbug by Jack+Payne · · Score: 1

      Try Radio Shack. I bought a plain, simple, unrefined version there last September, for a month-long, coast-to-coast, 7,700-mile- round-trip-car journey. Solo. I'm 81 years of age. Worked just fine, despite the fact it didn't have oversized digits or any other special curmudgeon's aids. Can't remember the brand. I gave the thing away after the trip. But, Radio Shacks seem to be just around the corner, all over America. Just stumble into one, tell them you are a cell phone idiot, and a patronizing clerk is sure to fix you up. Cost was around $60, and I bought some prepaid time for around $20. --Jack Payne

    15. Re:Jitterbug by ma1wrbu5tr · · Score: 1

      The Jitterbug looks like a kids phone to me and I wouldn't insult my mother's intelligence by handing her something as overhyped and overpriced as this travesty. The Motorola C139 is a great phone, that displays LARGE DIGITS on it's little 1" color display. It has no camera, mp3, or web capabilities. And it won't tell you how much fiber your neighbor is getting in his diet. But it does seem to have a decent signal, with OK battery life. Unfortunately, I think it's tied to the Cingulair netowrk. You can buy one at WalMart (in Washington) for about $15 from Tracfone. Get a different SIM card and you may be able to do more with it.

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    16. Re:Jitterbug by tepples · · Score: 1

      I disagree that Jitterbug is pricey. I got mine because I didn't need a lot of airtime and they had cheap plans. I pay $15/month for 30 minutes per month Like you, I don't need a lot of airtime. I pay 7 USD per month for Virgin Mobile.
  2. I see these advertised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  3. my i560 by jpyeron · · Score: 1

    it seems to get good battery life and does not come with any frills, as cameras are not allowed at work.

  4. The Motorola phone by CaptainPatent · · Score: 0

    If you can find one that takes Sim cards it will work with Tmobile in the US and Tmobile only.

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    1. Re:The Motorola phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and AT&T. They are both GSM networks.

    2. Re:The Motorola phone by mother_reincarnated · · Score: 1

      But only if it's unlocked and is tri or quad-band.

    3. Re:The Motorola phone by rekoil · · Score: 1

      Not just T-Mobile - AT&T uses GSM as well.

  5. Get thee to eBay by Kadin2048 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Honestly your best bet is probably to purchase a used GSM phone from eBay. There are quite a few of them out there, so you'll have choices. One that was very popular and manufactured for a while (or that uses a battery that's still in production) would definitely be the best.

    Then just take it and get a basic plan at T-Mobile or Cingular (AT&T). Pop in the SIM and go.

    What you want isn't a brand-new, basic phone like the Motorola one; what you want is a phone from about three or four years ago. It'll be a lot cheaper, too -- and if something happens to it, no problem, just get a new one.

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    1. Re:Get thee to eBay by wytcld · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you're buying a used phone, get a new battery right away. Phone batteries fade off rapidly after a couple of years, in how long they'll hold a charge.

      For a new phone, Tracfone sells simple, modern models cheap. You have to prebuy a block of minutes, which end up costing 40 cents if within a few counties of home, and 80 cents beyond that - but there are no other charges. The difference between Tracfone and Virgin is that Virgin's home network is Sprint, and if you're not in range of a Sprint tower it won't work (or so I'm told). The Tracfones don't care whose network they're on.

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    2. Re:Get thee to eBay by jandrese · · Score: 2, Informative

      You might have to buy a new battery though, so take that into consideration; look online for people who sell batteries for whatever phone you're considering to see how much they cost and how many are in stock. Batteries don't last forever, and while some phones are still in pretty good shape after 3 or 4 years, many others are basically shot and will barely last a few hours on battery. Most cell phone batteries can be bought new for a reasonable amount, but some are expensive and difficult to find.

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    3. Re:Get thee to eBay by russ1337 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've gone with tracfone and think they're fine.

      See this link for a Motorola 170 for $99 ready to go.

    4. Re:Get thee to eBay by Mitsoid · · Score: 1
      Or go to the local T-Mobile... Nokia 6030 free after rebate with a contract..


      its a small, simple, no-frill's phone.. No camera, no blue tooth.. its a phone, it makes calls, it can text message.... No bells and whistles... a simple phone.. can buy one new for ~$50.. but as with all cell carriers, its cheaper to free with a new contract

    5. Re:Get thee to eBay by Richard+Steiner · · Score: 2, Informative

      My wife and I had Tracfones (nice Nokia models) when I was enemployed a few years ago, and they worked very well. I usually bought a 1-year activation card during one of their double-minutes bonus specials.

      Its reception was a **LOT** better than the POS Cingular (excuse me, AT&T) phone I have now (which doesn't get any service at home unless I'm on the 2nd floor).

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    6. Re:Get thee to eBay by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      can buy one new for ~$50.. but as with all cell carriers, its cheaper to free with a new contract This is one case where the commonly-accepted (and normally acceptable) distortion of "free" in modern usage is pushed beyond breaking point. You aren't being given a phone "free" (from obligation) in any reasonable sense if you have to take out an expensive contract to get it.

      I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad deal, just that it's not really free and that the cost is being hidden elsewhere. If it's only for occasional use, you can bet your life the person is probably better off just paying $50 for a pay-as-you-go phone.
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    7. Re:Get thee to eBay by ex-geek · · Score: 0, Troll

      Honestly your best bet is probably to purchase a used GSM phone from eBay. There are quite a few of them out there, so you'll have choices. One that was very popular and manufactured for a while (or that uses a battery that's still in production) would definitely be the best.

      Then just take it and get a basic plan at T-Mobile or Cingular (AT&T). Pop in the SIM and go.

      Isn't this also possible with the regular american CDMA phones? I'm curious, since as a european, I tend to think of the USA as the place where nobody stops you from driving around in a rusty car with malfunctioning brakes that you bought for 500$ from some shady used car salesman.
    8. Re:Get thee to eBay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah no ignorant generalization there. Tell me are you the same guy who blasts people for making US-Centric comments when the story is about the US along the lines of "Well for people in the REST OF THE WORLD not just the US..."?

    9. Re:Get thee to eBay by enjerth · · Score: 1

      Similary to TracPhone, Alltel has a plan called SimpleFreedom with phones starting at $20 from Wal-Mart.

      I bought that phone for my wife and when we decided to go with a standard Alltel plan it was easily switched over. (Although they couldn't do that at their local service center, we called customer support and they arranged it in just a few minutes.)

    10. Re:Get thee to eBay by ptbarnett · · Score: 1
      Honestly your best bet is probably to purchase a used GSM phone from eBay.

      No need to purchase a used one. You can buy new ones for under $100 on eBay. I bought a Motorola Razr V3, new in the box, with quite a few accessories, for $85 plus shipping.

      I was making a trip to Brazil, where I wanted to buy a SIM and pre-purchase about 2 hours of talk-time so that I'd have a local phone to call (and be called by) my client without paying $3.00/minute for international roaming.

      Cingular/AT&T refused to remove the subsidy lock on my current cell phone, because my contract was still in effect). So, now I have a new phone and no reason to buy another one from AT&T anytime soon.

      If anyone from AT&T is out there reading this, you lost the chance to sign me for a new 2-year contract.. I had no intention of taking my unlocked phone to another GSM provider, but now you've pissed off a customer that you've had for 15 years.

    11. Re:Get thee to eBay by queequeg1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Do a search for the Nokia 6030 at fatwallet. You should be able to get it free after rebate without any contract (with a $25 calling card tossed in as well). You can also get 1000 minute cards for around $90 at cheaperphonecards.com (depending on what specials they are running on a given day). The 1000 minutes last for a year. I use my phone only for emergencies or to let me wife know when I've been caught in traffic. I had to buy another 1000 minutes after just ten months but it is still a the best deal I have found for light use.

    12. Re:Get thee to eBay by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      It is against the law not to have functioning brakes. However, in America, we have this thing called freedom and nobody comes around and checks every last aspect of everything you do. The down side is that people are able to let things slide. Usually you don't get caught until you get in an accident or run a red light or something.

      Personally, In my earlier days, we would look for rusty old cars that we could beef up the engine and suspension and have the car still look like it would fall apart. We called them sleepers and used them to destroy egos of the rich kids who had the brand new cars that couldn't keep up. I see nothing wrong with an old rusty junker as long as it is mechanically sound and safe.

    13. Re:Get thee to eBay by TexVex · · Score: 1

      now you've pissed off a customer that you've had for 15 years.
      15 years? Sucker.
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    14. Re:Get thee to eBay by RealBeanDip · · Score: 1

      "Tracfone sells simple, modern models cheap. You have to prebuy a block of minutes, which end up costing 40 cents if within a few counties of home, and 80 cents beyond that"

      Are you kidding me? I have a tracfone and I've never payed anywhere near that much! The best I've done is 180 minutes for $12 - that happened once. At this site: http://www.dunringil.com/ you can get a 60 minute card for $16 and use the code 51283 to add 60 minutes, so you get 120 minutes for $16.

      I'm not a shill for this guy - I've been buying minutes from him for a couple years now and he always has the best deals. Also note that he doesn't guarantee the codes to work, however they've never failed me.

      FWIW, I rarely if ever use my tracfone, but it is nice to have when you need it. I've got 900 minutes on mine at the moment from accumulating minutes. The phone is very simple to use and seems to work everywhere that "normal" cell phones work.

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    15. Re:Get thee to eBay by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      The checking depends on the State, in Virginia all cars must pass a safety inspection lights, brakes, tires, etc must all be in working and usable condition. In the heartland the only ispection is old Man Winter. And yeah, sleepers are hella fun!

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    16. Re:Get thee to eBay by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 1

      CDMA doesn't use SIMs. You have to call Sprint (or Verizon, or whoever) and read off the serial number from the phone. I'm not sure if they'll even allow you to use Verizon phones or vice versa.

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    17. Re:Get thee to eBay by AgentPaper · · Score: 1

      As long as it's a CDMA phone, you can have it activated on either network regardless of whose phone it started life as, but you need to watch to make sure it's E911 compatible. Most of the classic, bombproof old phones aren't. I got burned on that with my old Motorola v60, and the StarTAC I had before that - those two were the greatest phones ever, got great battery life and made calls from anywhere, but the Verizon tech told me (incorrectly, as it turns out) that I would be forced to get a new phone because my old one wasn't E911 compliant.

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    18. Re:Get thee to eBay by alexo · · Score: 1

      > If you're buying a used phone, get a new battery right away.
      > Phone batteries fade off rapidly after a couple of years, in how long they'll hold a charge.


      Lithium-ion batteries "fade away" even when left unused, although keeping them at about 40% charge in a low temperature (fridge or even a household freezer) will slow the process.

    19. Re:Get thee to eBay by ptbarnett · · Score: 1
      Unlike a lot of other people, I had been happy with what started as Southwestern Bell, then Cingular. I avoided AT&T when they were the only "alternative" in my area (before Sprint and Verizon), even declining a free AT&T cell-phone when offered by my employer.

      I withheld judgment when Cingular adopted the AT&T name, hoping that it was just a name. But, they to have adopted the "old" AT&T's attitude as well. My contract still has about 6 months left on it, but I'll be considering alternatives when it's up.

    20. Re:Get thee to eBay by BurningFeetMan · · Score: 1

      If you're buying a used phone, get a new battery right away. Phone batteries fade off rapidly after a couple of years, in how long they'll hold a charge.

      You'd be surprised. I've had a Siemens ME45 since 2001, original battery and all. It's been for a swim 3 times, twice at the beach. Pulled it apart, soaked in metho, oven dried and reassembled. This phone is great, and always scores a goal when being drop kicked across my local pub.

      My point is never under estimate the quality of old phones. Although your battery life point is valid, I'm still using the original battery in my ME45. Just as surprisingly, it still works as if I bought it yesterday. In all honesty, I have no idea why my phone hasn't died yet etc. All of my friends and family have gone through at least 3 phones over the last 5 years...

      I suppose it all depends on the quality of the craftsmanship of each individual phone. I got lucky with mine. Good design, materials and built perfectly. Old phones FTW.
    21. Re:Get thee to eBay by Brickwall · · Score: 1

      I'm Canadian, but we often travel to the US for vacations. We bought a pair of Virgin phones for $10 each in the US, so that my wife and I can communicate with each other when we split up for shopping or skiing or whatever. It's a heck of a lot cheaper than the roaming charges and high per minute charges my Canadian phone provider charges if I use my Canadian phone in the US.

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    22. Re:Get thee to eBay by Man+of+E · · Score: 1

      That's exactly what I did also. I wanted "just a phone", so I bought an unlocked VK2020 phone on ebay. It's tiny and works as "just a phone" (because even though it has other features, they're total rubbish). But it makes calls and doesn't waste space on extraneous crap.

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    23. Re:Get thee to eBay by RMH101 · · Score: 1

      If you're buying a used phone, get a new battery right away. Phone batteries fade off rapidly after a couple of years, in how long they'll hold a charge.

      Nah. All the Euro phones on ebay'll be quite recent - we get new phones every year and sell the older ones on ebay. I've had loads off ebay (got to love those early adopters subsiding my smartphone habit!) - I've never killed a phone battery or experienced noticeably degraded performance since we got rid on NiCad batteries on the early GSM handsets - and I've had a *lot* of GSM handsets...

    24. Re:Get thee to eBay by eric_brissette · · Score: 1

      I was going to recommend this phone as well. My wife has a Nokia 6030. No camera, great battery life, great reception in our area (can get a signal out in the boonies where none of my past cell phones have been able to) It feels kind of light and cheaply made, but it's a budget phone.

      She got the phone with her T-Mobile pay-as-you-go type contract for about $30.

    25. Re:Get thee to eBay by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Ehh. I stand corrected. Where I'm from, they only do inspections if they have a reason to do it unless you are going through some random raodside thing that often doubles as a DUI checkpoint. But then they just check the basics like are all your lights and turn signals working, wipers and tire and such. Outside of testing if your emergency brake works, I don't think they go any further then that here unless your a commercial vehicle. Then the rules change a lot.

      How often is that inspection required and is it a one time thing or a condition to renew the license tags registration?

      Yea, Sleepers were so much fun I'm thinking about building another just because we are talking about it. One that I can just play around with for old times sake. I wonder if I can fit a V8 in a ford escort? ahh, this is going to be fun.

    26. Re:Get thee to eBay by ZJVavrek · · Score: 1

      You have to prebuy a block of minutes, which end up costing 40 cents if within a few counties of home. Just to point out all the facts... I bought my TracFone in Washington (state, nearish to Seattle), and my 'home region/zone' seemed to be any US metropolitan center. I wasn't roaming when I went to Baltimore, despite 2 thousand miles distance from where I set the phone up. Of course, when I visited north California, it did finally get to roaming, as I had left the chains of urbanism behind.
    27. Re:Get thee to eBay by nasch · · Score: 1

      Read it again. He said "free with a new contract". Free meaning zero price for the phone, with the clearly stated condition of signing a contract. How is that distorting anything? And how is the contract requirement hidden? These quoted prices always have an asterisk, and if you can read you can tell that it requires a contract. And if you have a brain you can probably tell that's what it means without even reading the footnote. I don't understand why people who don't like signing cell phone contracts claim that you don't really get a discount for doing it. I really did get something like $100 off my phone for signing a contract. Whether this is a good idea varies for different people, but I was planning to keep service with this company indefinitely anyway, so in effect it was $100 off for not doing anything different.

    28. Re:Get thee to eBay by nasch · · Score: 1

      I don't know about a V8, but there were people putting Taurus SHO V6s into Ford Festivas a while back. There was no room in the engine bay so they removed the stock drivetrain and back seats and installed the V6 in the back.

    29. Re:Get thee to eBay by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      The Taurus SHO engine is a mean little burger. You could get more performance out of it them then from most V8s until you started changing out core engine parts on the V8.

      Thanks for the Idea. Although I think I would try to put it in an old mustang II or something that was known to have 4 cylinders with a little better body style then the festiva. Although the extra room inside the festiva might be nice.

    30. Re:Get thee to eBay by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      The checking depends on the State

      By county here in TN.

      Rich

    31. Re:Get thee to eBay by Tacvek · · Score: 1

      As long as it's a CDMA phone, you can have it activated on either network regardless of whose phone it started life as, but you need to watch to make sure it's E911 compatible. Most of the classic, bombproof old phones aren't. I got burned on that with my old Motorola v60, and the StarTAC I had before that - those two were the greatest phones ever, got great battery life and made calls from anywhere, but the Verizon tech told me (incorrectly, as it turns out) that I would be forced to get a new phone because my old one wasn't E911 compliant. Are you sure about that? (Not the E991 part, but the first part?) Generally there is no problem activating a phone on wither network if the network carries that model (regardless of the branding). However, I've heard that the companies can recognize if the ESN comes from a phone model the do not offer, and may refuse to activate it. (More specifically, they would refuse to enter the ESN. The rest of the provisioning can be done by a consumer with enough technical knowledge.)
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    32. Re:Get thee to eBay by nasch · · Score: 1

      I hope you are actually serious, because what a cool project. :-) I believe that engine came from Yamaha, as did the later SHO V8, so should be a good one. My favorite sleeper project is from HK Motorsports (if I'm remembering the name right) in Canada. They take cars on the Golf platform (New Beetle, TT...) and put AWD, upgraded suspension and brakes, and a 450-500 hp twin-turbo V6 in em. I thought a 4-door Golf (Rabbit now I guess) with AWD and 500bhp would be a sweet ride.

    33. Re:Get thee to eBay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tracfone has a sister company called net 10 half the price for minutes and you can buy the phone+card at your favorite megamart

    34. Re:Get thee to eBay by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      He said "free with a new contract". Free meaning zero price for the phone, with the clearly stated condition of signing a contract. How is that distorting anything? Because it's not really "free" by any reasonable measure.

      And how is the contract requirement hidden? Perhaps "hidden" was a poor choice of word, but the cost of the supposedly "free" phone is simply incorporated within the contract itself.

      And if you have a brain you can probably tell that's what it means without even reading the footnote. Of course, but it's still a misuse of the word to the extent of pointlessness. I'll sell you a "free" computer in exchange for £500, or somesuch nonsense.

      I don't understand why people who don't like signing cell phone contracts claim that you don't really get a discount for doing it. *I* didn't claim that- I said " I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad deal ". The contract almost certainly works out cheaper if you're using it a lot. OTOH, if you're a typical no-frills-phone user, you'll probably be better just using pay-as-you-go.
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    35. Re:Get thee to eBay by nasch · · Score: 1

      Because it's not really "free" by any reasonable measure. I don't understand. You don't pay any money for it, as long as you sign a contract. The price of the contract isn't increased if you decide to get a phone, it's a fixed price. So the phone comes with the contract at no additional charge. How is that not free? For something to be free, must it be unconditional? That sounds more like free as in speech, and we're talking about free as in beer.

      Of course, but it's still a misuse of the word to the extent of pointlessness. I'll sell you a "free" computer in exchange for £500, or somesuch nonsense. A ridiculous straw man. It's more like buy one get one free. As a condition for getting that free can of soup, you have to buy another one for regular price. But the second one really is free - you don't pay any money for it. If you don't want the second one, fine - you'll just pay regular price for one can. If you don't want the free phone, fine - you'll pay regular price for a cell phone contract. *I* didn't claim thatWell yeah, you did. There's a free phone, and you're saying it's not free. You're saying the discount doesn't really exist.

      Substitute "zero price" for "free" if that makes it more clear that we're talking about the price of an item and not anything else.
    36. Re:Get thee to eBay by rjstegbauer · · Score: 1

      Personally, I would steer away from a used phone. I think it would be unreliable and fail soon.

      The *only* reason I have *ever* purchased a new phone was when my previous one would no longer work...like yesterday as a matter of fact. And that happens usually within less than two years. But then I usually by the cheaper models...with fewer feathers...and bigger buttons.

      Of course, YMMV,
      Randy.

    37. Re:Get thee to eBay by bgeerdes · · Score: 1

      The difference between Tracfone and Virgin is that Virgin's home network is Sprint, and if you're not in range of a Sprint tower it won't work (or so I'm told).

      There's this amazing thing called "roaming" which allows Virgin phones to use other networks (at no extra charge).

    38. Re:Get thee to eBay by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      I don't understand. You don't pay any money for it, as long as you sign a contract. The price of the contract isn't increased if you decide to get a phone, it's a fixed price. The price of the contract implicitly accounts for the cost of the phone.

      For something to be free, must it be unconditional? That sounds more like free as in speech, and we're talking about free as in beer. As I understand it, "free" is meant to mean a gift, something that is "gratis". This should not entail any obligation. Modern usage stretches this to include the "free" toy in one's Rice Krispies, and I can live with that. However, as I said, I think applying "free" to something that requires you to enter into an expensive contract is stretching the definition too far.

      Words are malleable and change over time; I accept that. I simply feel that claiming the phone is "free" dilutes the word to the point of meaninglessness.

      A ridiculous straw man. Not at all; it wasn't meant as a representation of your position. It was an intentionally ridiculous example of something "free" as qualified by a footnote- or something even more prominent. It makes the offer clear, but doesn't change the fact it's a meaningless dilution of the word "free".

      If you don't want the free phone, fine - you'll pay regular price for a cell phone contract. If I can get a comparable service without the phone for cheaper ("regular?") price, this demonstrates that the phone isn't really "free". As I said, this doesn't necessarily make it a bad deal.

      If not, the fact that the phone company won't give you a discount for rejecting the "free" phone doesn't prove that it's "free"; it just means they don't want to change their offer for whatever reason. Maybe it's too much hassle for them to negotiate something different for one person. Maybe they don't want to admit that the phone isn't really "free".

      Either way, the phone isn't gratis.

      As a condition for getting that free can of soup, you have to buy another one for regular price. But the second one really is free - you don't pay any money for it. No, you have to buy the first can of soup for it. Hence it's not "free" in the traditional sense.

      *I* didn't claim that Well yeah, you did. Well, no I didn't.

      There's a free phone, It's not truly "free" as in "gratis".

      and you're saying it's not free. Because it's not truly "free" as in "gratis".

      You're saying the discount doesn't really exist. I don't see anything I said which could be interpreted that way. Can you please quote it?

      I never claimed that things couldn't be cheaper with a contract; on the contrary, I'm quite happy to accept that for heavier users contracts are better value.

      You're arguing that "stuff" is free because you don't have to pay any more. But my point was that the meaning of the word "free" you are relying upon is what I was complaining about. It's circular- whether you or I am right depends on which meaning you accept for the word "free".

      As I said, things change- but in my opinion, claiming that the "free" phones which require an expensive contract (regardless of whether that contract is good value or not) is corporate distortion of the traditional "gratis" meaning beyond breaking point.

      The reason I raised the issue in the first place is that someone suggested that you could buy a phone for $50, but implied that getting it "free" with a contract was preferable. Except that if you hadn't really needed the contract service in the first place, it *could* work out more expensive so it wasn't really free.
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    39. Re:Get thee to eBay by nasch · · Score: 1

      How about my suggestion at the very end? Does anything change for you if you substitute "zero-price" for "free"? Maybe the word "free" just has too many meanings and/or too much baggage. Zero-price is what I mean by it - do we still disagree?

    40. Re:Get thee to eBay by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      "Zero price"... hmm, dunno. Can't see them using that in publicity.

      I guess my objection to use of the word "free" is that its use there is too far from the original spirit of the word, but I can't think of an obvious, catchy alternative. "Included in cost of contract" is fine, but sounds like legalese.

      Having said that, although I think most people realise at some level that they end up paying for their phone somehow (even at a discount), the telcos are still trying to give the impression that it's genuinely gratis. And let's face it, it lets people self-justify getting a new phone if they can kid themselves that they're not paying for it anyway, so in a sense it's colluding.

      (BTW, I meant to reply to your suggestion, but got lost in that longwinded reply. Which should have cut to the most important point, namely that the problem causing our disagreement was simply that we had different ideas on what "free" was.)

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    41. Re:Get thee to eBay by AgentPaper · · Score: 1
      It worked just fine with my v60 - I got it on eBay, advertised as an ex-Sprint phone, and had it activated at a Verizon store with no problems. Grant you, one of the v60s was part of Verizon's lineup at the time (the one with push-to-talk - v60P, I think?), so I don't know for sure if you can take some completely unrelated phone from one network to the other. However, given that your average cellular company CSR has the intelligence of grilled cheese, I doubt most of them would recognize such an ESN mismatch or even care.

      Just my experience - does anyone else have input on this?

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    42. Re:Get thee to eBay by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Something that hoped up might be a little out of my league and price point. But I'm sure I could swap an engine and makes some adjustments here and there.

      I'm seriously interested in doing it. I guess when I find out more about it and have the time, and find a decent couple of donor cars, I will do it. I will probably take pictures and document it somewhere so everyone can make fun of the way I did things. I'm still old school on a lot of the stuff. I watched one of those 4wheeling shows and found out all the stuff I know is outdated. I guess I will spend some time reading about the newer ways of doing it first. I'll post something in my journal when I get started. Looks like it might be a little while though.

    43. Re:Get thee to eBay by nasch · · Score: 1

      Well good luck, and feel free to email me at schererna at yahoo if you'd like someone to go ooh and aah. :-)

  6. Metro PCS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Re:Metro PCS by ewhac · · Score: 1
      Uh, no. MetroPCS adamantly refuses to connect handsets they haven't sold you themselves. "Compatibility issues," they (falsely) claim. This was their policy four months ago. It's dimly possible they've changed it since then, but I kinda doubt it.

      Schwab

    2. Re:Metro PCS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They will connect MetroPCS branded phones at the corporate stores. If not a corporate store, then no, and if not branded as Metro then no dice.

  7. Nokia 1100 by Nightspirit · · Score: 3, Informative
    1. Re:Nokia 1100 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nokia's candybar phones have an excellent, easy to use OS with big fonts. I forget I have a camera in mine sometimes, since the OS is set up to not get in your way.

    2. Re:Nokia 1100 by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      MOD PARENT UP.

      After my Siemens C56 died I went looking for "Just a phone." I saw this at Target. I couldn't find adequate unlocking instructions so I just bought an unlocked version on eBay dropped in my sim card and it's been great for the last 2 years.

      It's just a good basic phone. B&W display. Buttons are easy enough to press. It's survived numerous drunk evenings.

      It's the phone I recommend to anyone looking for "just a phone"

    3. Re:Nokia 1100 by metrometro · · Score: 1
      Mod up parent. I wanted 'just a phone' and the Nokia 1100 is exactly that. It's better than that really - it's elegantly intuitive, and while I don't use everything (there's a "voice" feature I've never even looked at) the navigation and layout is simple enough to find everything that matters. It's solid. I got mine bundled from Verizon for "free" with a two-year contract, and Verizon's been a decent carrier for me. The phone cost $100 to replace out of pocket after it went swimming.

      Also, it has a flashlight. As gimmicks go, this has been pretty useful, and doesn't distract from the 'just a phone' bliss.

      I just looked, and it looks like Verizon no longer carries the Nokia 1100. I does have a Nokia 2366i. I've never used it, but it looks similar in spec, except now with Bluetooth. LINKY

    4. Re:Nokia 1100 by digitalchinky · · Score: 1

      You should try a Sony Ericsson (Anything except for the P series), then see how the OS on that Nokia phone compares.

    5. Re:Nokia 1100 by dosius · · Score: 1

      I dunno but I don't see the sense in having *any* OS on a phone. If I were to buy a cell phone, I'd want one with just a 10-digit calc-style readout that does NOTHING BUT CALLS (incoming/outgoing). I don't need all that junk and don't want to pay for it, in price, in battery life, or in any other way.

      -uso.

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    6. Re:Nokia 1100 by pne · · Score: 1

      I have this one, too, and I agree that it's great.

      I wanted a phone that can call and send/receive text messages, and it's very easy to do both on this phone. It's small, durable, easy-to-user, and the B/W display helps contribute to the battery lifetime.

      I'd recommend it, too, if you can still get hold of one.

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    7. Re:Nokia 1100 by Meatloaf+Surprise · · Score: 1

      10 digit display? Bah. Give me a cellphone with 5 toggle switches: 4 to set the number and the 5th to set it into memory and 1 LED (and just 1! I don't need any more than 1 LED and I'll be damned if I pay for more!) to tell me if the phone is on or off and maybe then I'd consider purchasing a cellphone.

    8. Re:Nokia 1100 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've owned both SEs and Nokias. The Nokias win in the UI stakes.

  8. F3 won'r work in the US by winkydink · · Score: 4, Informative

    The US uses 850MHz & 1900Mhz for GSM, most of the rest of the world uses 900Mhz & 1800Mhz. The F3 uses the latter 2 frequencies and won't work in the US.

    Assuming you are a Cingular/T-Mobile customer, you can just buy an unlocked GSM phone (remember to check to make sure it works with US frequencies) and stick your SIM card in it.

    For a cheap, dependable model, may I suggest the Sony Ericsson T637? Yes, it has some of those features you don't want. But you can get one as cheap as the aforementioned F3.

    Good luck!

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    1. Re:F3 won'r work in the US by unimonkey · · Score: 1

      Not quite true. The F3 is sold in Mexico (TelCal) and other Latin American countries as the 850/1900 MHz GSM type. However finding one that is unlocked and getting it into the US is another problem entirely.

    2. Re:F3 won'r work in the US by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Same problem for Canada. I actually bought an F3 for those trips I am planning to take to other continents, but for Canada (and US) I found that Motorola L2 is a very good plain phone, no camera, and it uses USB to charge the battery, which is much better than the normal Motorola port.
      I got one from tigerdirect it is unlocked and the docs are in German.

      The problems with this phone are that the shortcut button on the right side cannot be reassigned from browser function to anything else. I don't want a browser, so I locked it and I dropped this phone once, the top screen shattered, apparently it is made of glass instead of plastic. The LCD behind the glass screen is OK though, so I am just looking for a piece of transparent plastic to put there instead of glass.

    3. Re:F3 won'r work in the US by JamJam · · Score: 1

      For your reaseach use this site http://www.phonescoop.com/ Search for a phone, click on the deatils and pay close attention to the "Mode", that'll indicate what networks and countries your desired phone will work in. THEN to to ebay and bid on one....

    4. Re:F3 won'r work in the US by killercentipedes · · Score: 1

      I had a T637 for about three+ years and it finally died. It was a great phone but since the model is quiet old and you would most likely have to get it used i would shy away from any model older than a year. It first gave me troubles when the phone itself would not charge the battery, after a couple of month using a manual charge circuit the microphone went completely. Just my two cents.

    5. Re:F3 won'r work in the US by eric2hill · · Score: 2, Informative

      First-hand experience.

      A) The carrier you're referring to is TelCel, not TelCal.

      B) The MOTOFONE is available all over Mexico, and does indeed work on the US GSM bands.

      C) I have a friend down there who just this week purchased an F3 for me. It cost him $28 out of pocket.

      D) I will know later next week when he comes to the States if it is unlocked or not.

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    6. Re:F3 won'r work in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That phonescoop site looks pretty good, their "Phone Finder" page has a lot of different features to choose from as well as the ability to exclude phones with certain features (like cameras). Haven't played with it to see how many phones are in it's database.

      They're missing ringtone features though (The music player feature says not to confuse it with "real music ringtones" which doesn't appear when I choose to show all options, nor does there seem to be a feature telling me whether I can set ringtones based on caller ID. I'd really like to get a phone that I can set the Imperial March as the ringtone for when my boss calls).

    7. Re:F3 won'r work in the US by steak · · Score: 1

      I have been trying to find an 850/1900 f3 for quite some time, and i think i read somewhere telcel locks their phones. I would like to hear how it works out though.

    8. Re:F3 won'r work in the US by eric2hill · · Score: 1

      Confirmed!

      I received my MotoFONE F3 from my friend on Monday this week, and paid him $30 for it. It was indeed locked to Telcel. I purchased an unlock code off of ebay for $15, received it today, and unlocked the phone on the first try. Super easy, and the phone works great on T-Mobile.

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  9. Google it Jitterbug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its called a jitterbug google it. Simple phone for old people

  10. Only one way to go! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Woo Ha Ha! Time to get a jitterbug! I laughed so hard when I saw this phone, but its exactly what your mom may be looking for. No frills, no toys, just POCS (plain ol' cell service) http://www.jitterbug.com./

  11. Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I guess it was too much search Google for "simple phone":

    http://www.jitterbug.com/

  12. VirginMobile by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 4, Informative

    $30 phone, pay as you go. Not terribly expensive. I probably spend $10-$12/month on it.

    1. Re:VirginMobile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Virgin Mobile = T-Mobile rebranded

      Virgin don't own anything they just resell or lease other peoples assets, they are just middlemen in everything they do

    2. Re:VirginMobile by deathtopaulw · · Score: 1

      yessss
      virginmobile is what I use for prepaid and it has been perfect
      my deal was a free no "bells/whistles phone" with $20 into an account
      you can pay paypal or whatever you want even from the phone its self, and it's just great

      I'll probably never switch

    3. Re:VirginMobile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That could be. All I know is, I picked up a phone for cheap and I get service with no contracts and pay as I go. It works great for me.

    4. Re:VirginMobile by MeBot · · Score: 1

      Specifically check out the "Slice" from Virgin Mobile. Looks very similar to the Motorola F3.

    5. Re:VirginMobile by Anomalyst · · Score: 1

      Agreed, Target has a $20 low-end Kyrocera phone, it uses a proprietary charger socket, but the wall charger is included. If you want an auto charger its cheaper to get an inverter http://www.all-battery.com/index.asp?PageAction=VI EWPROD&ProdID=451. I wanted a cheap phone to take incoming calls, 0.18/min, charge it up $20 every 3 months (I am still on the $2.00 start-up and its good till September) other vendors have cheaper per minute by a couple pennies but require more frequent top-up. The have other plans that look pretty reasonable if you anticipate more activity. If you activate over the web you can keep it very anonymous.

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    6. Re:VirginMobile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought Virgin Mobile was a rebranded Sprint. Don't they use Sprint's cellular network since all their phones are CDMA based?

    7. Re:VirginMobile by jamar0303 · · Score: 3, Informative

      In the UK, maybe. In the US, Virgin Mobile = Sprint PCS rebranded. To be honest, I'd go with them if they were on the T-Mobile network since their service plans seem so much more simple, but I have a GSM phone and Virgin Mobile in the States is CDMA, so sucks for me (I have AT&T GoPhone and coverage sucks in my area).

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    8. Re:VirginMobile by alienw · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. They use Sprint's network and their own custom Kyocera phones (at least the entry-level stuff).

    9. Re:VirginMobile by sanimalp · · Score: 1

      I agree with a pay as you go one as well. I have the crappiest $30 cell phone that is pay as you go, and i can only make and receive calls with it.. no camera, no organizer, just an address book and a call button.. thats it. did i mention no free nights and weekends..really, this thing sucks.. buy it.

    10. Re:VirginMobile by mollymoo · · Score: 1

      Not just 'rebranded', but in the UK at least they offer different tariffs too. And not all Virgin businesses are just middlemen: Virgin Megastores, Virgin Atlantic, Virgin Trains - they are real businesses with real assets.

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    11. Re:VirginMobile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      definitely get virgin mobile. It is tremendously cheap if you don't use it much. I got the nokia shorty, which is simple, easy to use, great battery life... no bogus features except for a flashlight, which actually comes in handy.

      After trying a non-nokia phone and hating it, I'm back on nokia for good.

    12. Re:VirginMobile by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      Put $90 from a prepaid card on the phone, and the minutes don't expire for a year. That's more than enough for me.

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    13. Re:VirginMobile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a little "trick" you can perform with Virgin Mobile (Hope my boss doesn't fire me for telling this one...)

      Buy the $90 refill card and let it keep your account running for one year on the $.18/minute plan, then when it's about to expire, switch to the $6.99 per month plan (which gives you $.10/minute). With tax taken out for the monthly fee, that $90 card can get you roughly two years of service if you just want an "emergency" phone.

      The third year, buy another $90 card and switch back to $.18/minute, etc. $45 per year isn't shabby for bare bones service.

    14. Re:VirginMobile by Phoobarnvaz · · Score: 1

      Been using Virgin for about 4 years. In addition to what everyone has mentioned...they are the only provider I have seen which allows you to get "free" minutes by watching about 5 minutes of commercials a day for 5 minutes worth of airtime. This is in addition to whatever plan you sign up for...$20 every 3 months or the monthly fee. Plus...they have various value cards for their phones you can buy at many stores & outlets to keep from using PayPal or giving them your credit card. It's your choice.

      The only drawback to them in the US is the Sprint network. If you travel on the main interstate highways...as well as cities where Sprint has a network presence...you will have service. Outside areas like this...go with some other provider. You will have no service and waste your money.

      Another issue you will run into is battery life on their phones. With their lowest cost phones at $20...less if you find them on sale...it is cheaper to buy a new phone...rather than spend at least twice as much on a new battery for your old phone.

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    15. Re:VirginMobile by twistedcubic · · Score: 1

      yes, they use Sprint. Or, at least my phone does.

    16. Re:VirginMobile by carpeweb · · Score: 1

      One more cost consideration for Virgin (ditto to all the previous comments about low net cost): I got a deal for $15 every three months with automatic top-up tied to my VISA debit card. True, that means I had to give them my credit card info, but it cut the already lowest cost in the universe by 25%, since I've never exceeded the minimum charge. How much lower than $5 / month can you go? FWIW, I'm carrying a balance; in other words, my "minutes" (not really, my "dollars") roll foward in perpetuity, which is a lot better than the rollover plans that I saw when I switched to Virgin two years ago. Every once in a while (2-3 years?), I'll have a month where I need more than just a few minutes, so I'm sure I'll use that balance eventually, and the effective cost will be far lower than the cost was when I had a minimal plan with (your provider name here), and I'd get reamed by the over-minute charges (way higher than Virgin's, which decline as you use more minutes per month).

    17. Re:VirginMobile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's another new prepaid service called ihomewireless.com, which also uses the Sprint network just like Virgin. The rate plans are similar to Virgin but the phones look like normal phones instead of the Virgin "MTV look at me! OMG!!!111oneoneone!" junk.

      That's my main issue with Virgin. It's a good deal but you look like an idiot when you whip out your obvious cheap-o prepaid Virgin phone. This other company seems to have solved that problem. I was planning to get one but I recently realized Sprint tricked me into renewing my contract so I am basically stuck for the moment.

    18. Re:VirginMobile by jamar0303 · · Score: 1

      Virgin Mobile means different things to different people. In the UK, there is no Sprint for Virgin to use, so they use T-Mobile instead. So it's not bullshit to the original poster, just to the American repliers.

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    19. Re:VirginMobile by HostAdmin · · Score: 1

      Ditto all the foregoing comments re: virginmobile. 4 or so years of very happy service. Pisser that I moved out of their coverage area. Tracphone is astro-freaking-nomical, their customer service sucks and their reps are ruder than satan with a hangover.

    20. Re:VirginMobile by alienw · · Score: 1

      Well, considering that the story is titled "Where in the US can you just get a cell phone", I would expect people to talk about how things are in the US.

  13. Alltel by everphilski · · Score: 1

    If they have coverage in your area, Alltel has basic phones and pretty good pay-by-the-minute rates if you are an infrequent user ($0.15/minute but no monthly charges, and no minute expiration dates). That's my wife's emergency cell phone. For $80 we got a basic no-frills phone, $20 worth of minutes that never expire (the only service charge is $4 a month if you don't use it ... I call her once a month to make sure that doesn't happen).

    1. Re:Alltel by elrick_the_brave · · Score: 1

      Now if only I had thought of a way to talk to my wife but once a month!!!

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    2. Re:Alltel by everphilski · · Score: 1

      haha, thats why we have a landline (Skype) :P

  14. Prepaid Phones by Aeiri · · Score: 1

    I have a prepaid cellphone from Cingular (now AT&T), since I don't actually use it very often. It's simple, easy to use, and best of all, cheap: I pay $25 every three months for it. The phone itself cost $30, but there was a free phone that you could choose with the service as well, if I recall correctly.

    http://www.wireless.att.com/myaccount/prepaid

  15. Motorola SLVR is what you need by middlemen · · Score: 1

    You should get the Motorola SLVR. I have it. It is just a phone. It has no camera. It is sleek, thin and light weight and the interface is decent. People dont call me much but I charge the battery once in 3-4 days.

    1. Re:Motorola SLVR is what you need by Helios1182 · · Score: 1

      It is also $150, and tons of features more than "just" a phone -- including a camera and mp3 player functions.

    2. Re:Motorola SLVR is what you need by kage.j · · Score: 1

      what are you talking about? I have a L7 SLVR, and all subsequent L7's have cameras. I also believe the L6 has a camera as well.

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    3. Re:Motorola SLVR is what you need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is sleek, thin and light weight
      This is really just a personal preference, but the last thing I want is a phone that fits in my wallet.
    4. Re:Motorola SLVR is what you need by im_mac · · Score: 2, Informative

      Specifically you want the SLVR L2. It has no camera and good battery life. I got mine last fall directly from Cingular for free with the plan. I think it's discontinued now, but eBay should have a couple.

    5. Re:Motorola SLVR is what you need by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Oops I meant to types something like "He owns a SLVR and never noticed the camera or the headphone jack". By the way, I want to show my complete contempt for slashdot not allowing users to post corrections without waiting a fucking lifetime between posts. Cowboy Neal can fuck off!

    6. Re:Motorola SLVR is what you need by ConanG · · Score: 1

      A wallet phone! Now THAT'S an idea!

  16. Prepaid Phone by John.P.Jones · · Score: 1

    At least on AT&T, you can put your standard rate plan card in a cheap ($20) prepaid phone and toss the prepaid starter card. I did this after my old phone went for a swim while I was still under contract, waiting for the iPhone. Easy as pie, the phone isn't so great but its a cheap and simple solution.

  17. Next Article by neoshroom · · Score: 5, Funny

    Q: Where In the US Can You Get Just a Cell Phone?

    A: A Cell Phone Store.

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    1. Re:Next Article by stired_freyed · · Score: 1

      just look. At least in the Midwest its far easier to get a plain phone free with your plan than it is to find a "smart" phone. US Cellular has a ton of them. As far as I know they don't even carry anything all that fancy compared to other carriers. They were at least a year or two behind everyone else getting the razors. I use them because there local and I've never had a problem other than there lack of "cool" phones. Not enough to make me switch because I really don't have a use for one. My current phone is a flip with digi cam. Not that fancy. I'm pretty sure their lower level phones are "just phones". Nothing fancy. Either I live in hick ville, which is possible, or everyone is just blind to the phones that are out there. I would think that on most phones its easy enough to program the speed dials so your folks, grand folks or other technically challenged relatives could just press and hold a button for their whole 3 contacts that they would ever call on it.

  18. Virgin Mobile at Target oe Best Buy? by sillivalley · · Score: 4, Informative

    Virgin Mobile, phones available at Target or Best Buy, starting at around $20 for a phone that doesn't have a camera, mp3 player, or corkscrew. Just a phone.

    Prepaid plans, pay-as-you-go, or monthly plans.

    1. Re:Virgin Mobile at Target oe Best Buy? by westlake · · Score: 1
      Virgin Mobile, phones available at Target or Best Buy, starting at around $20 for a phone that doesn't have a camera, mp3 player, or corkscrew. Just a phone.

      You'll find Virgin Mobile at the neighborhood RiteAid.

    2. Re:Virgin Mobile at Target oe Best Buy? by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      Yep and Boost mobile phones which are also feature-poor and cheap. Something tells me submitter is either an ad or didnt look too hard and just wanted to bitch and moan.

    3. Re:Virgin Mobile at Target oe Best Buy? by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 1

      Yep and Boost mobile phones which are also feature-poor and cheap.

      A friend of mine has Boost. Every time I call her, I get a message like the following, instead of a nice simple ring:

      "Please listen to this song while waiting for your party to answer the phone:

      SCRATCH STATIC STATIC TOP-40 MTV SONG STATIC MUFFLE MUFFLE STATIC STATIC TOP-40 MTV SONG STATIC MUFFLE MUFFLE SCRATCH SCRATCH STATIC STATIC TOP-40 MTV SONG STATIC MUFFLE MUFFLE SCRATCH" ... and then I run away screaming. The audio quality is horrible, loud and reminds me of a shopping mall. Not that I'm old or anything.

      This ain't your father's Aphex Twin.

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  19. Pre-paid phones by tmosley · · Score: 0

    I think you can get a phone like what you want at Walgreens or a similar drug store. Just get the prepaid type (the kind that all the criminals use). I'm pretty sure those are bare-bones models.

  20. Pre-paid is the way to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of those pre-paid phones are as plain-jane as they come. http://www.virginmobileusa.com/phones/catalog.do A few of these phones do very little other than make calls, and I know Virgin Mobile isn't the only carrier who sells phones without a contract.

  21. have heart, they do exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't worry, Motorola has no plans to release the F3 in the US, because American consumers want high-resolution color display phones. Which hasn't stopped a dozen of folks I know from attempting to import them from Argentina. (and people wonder why MOT is in the crapper for marketshare.)

    I realize this doesn't directly address the question. There are still phones available which are mostly "just a phone" in the Nokia "candybar" form factor at my local Cingular/ATT store, or were a couple weeks ago.

  22. Virgin Mobile by Dorceon · · Score: 1

    You can get a phone that's just a phone for $20. If you set up 'auto top-up', which charges your credit card every 3 months or whenever you're getting low on credit, it comes out to $5 a month if you don't call much. As long as you keep topping up your accumulated credit doesn't expire. Great if you want a phone for emergencies and such.

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  23. We need alternative to cellphones by monopolists. by zymano · · Score: 1

    Their is some legislation by Google and skype to implement the carterphone which allows access to their networks.

    Prepaid phones don't allow rollover minutes.

  24. Ocham's Razor can cut through your cell phone fog by DontScotty · · Score: 0

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Cell+phones+f or+elderly
    http://cellphones.about.com/od/topcellphones/tp/ce ll_senior.htm
    http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_33 /b3947040_mz006.htm
    http://www.engadget.com/2004/07/28/lgs-cellphone-f or-the-elderly/
    All phones and leads on phones with exactly what you require. And, no foreign import issues.
    "Ocham's Razor essentially states that all things being equal, the simplest explanation is usually correct."

  25. Nokia candy bar by j14ast · · Score: 1

    I have a nokia candybar phone i got from metro pcs, which as far as I know is San Fran only. But its a good deal 50 dollars for unlimited everything, no contract. its about 5 dollars cheaper if you dont need unlimited sms. The only way it loses out is it isnt edge or 3g, but since you want "Just a Phone" you wont care.

    If that isnt available, you can buy a sim card nokia for about 20 dollars on ebay, and use it with at&t.

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  26. Probably has shit battery life anyway by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 1

    Look how thin the F3 is. Just because it's not a razr doesn't mean it's not too thin to have good battery life.

    I have a brand new cheap motorolla flip (don't know the model #). It doesn't have a camera either, but the battery life is shorter than any phone I've had before it. As the phones get smaller the battery life becomes worse and worse.

    At my cell phone co, the cheapest phones they have always seem to be nokia. I didn't get the nokia because I needed on that runs the mapquest app.

    1. Re:Probably has shit battery life anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      please read the f3's specifications before speaking.

    2. Re:Probably has shit battery life anyway by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 1

      Yes, on the Motorola site is says that the phone has " Extended battery life," but says nothing else.

      If it had even middling specs they'd give the specs. They don't.

      I stand by my judgment. It's a thin phone and the battery life no doubt sucks.

    3. Re:Probably has shit battery life anyway by Havenwar · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, cause the razor has horrible battery life... I mean I am constantly charging mine - just plugged it in now for the third time this month. Absolutely horrible.

      Come on, face it - battery life isn't an absolute measurement. If you use your cellphone as an emergency phone, then a razr will easily get a week on a charge, and I admit it is still not the best in battery life. Sure, if you sit and play java games all day it will run out in just about a day or two, and if you talk nonstop on it it will run out in mere hours. But then... all phones do.

      What is it actually she wants? A phone that is as cheap as possible? Well, featureless phones run in smaller series, might have to be imported, and will thus be expensive. Just get whatever is cheapest, because features she does not use will not cost her anything. Or does she want a simple phone? No worries, calling a number on a cellphone is just about as simple on any model. Doesn't matter if it has two cameras, video, mp3, radio, and a small nuclear warhead, you still dial a number and press call. Or use the phonebook, which granted can be one or two keypresses more.

      Actually placing a call doesnt increase in difficulty depending on the features of the phone. Sure it feels odd to have a beefed up porche when you never drive faster than 60, but if it costs the same, why not? Just keep away from the nos and you'll never really know the difference.

    4. Re:Probably has shit battery life anyway by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 1

      I guess I actually talk on my phone. I have to charge it two to four times per day.

    5. Re:Probably has shit battery life anyway by anotherone · · Score: 1

      You're either lying or there's something wrong with your battery. I use mine heavily and I can get two days on a charge. I plug it in every night and that's all it takes.

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    6. Re:Probably has shit battery life anyway by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 1

      Thanks for calling me a liar. You should be aware of what that sort of incivility shows about your own social skills and maturity.

      It may have to do with reception or even with band used by my company. The worse the reception the lower the battery life. Probably the higher the frequency, the worse the battery life too.

    7. Re:Probably has shit battery life anyway by anotherone · · Score: 1
      I stand by my post. Get yourself a new battery and see how that works out for you.

      I await your apology.

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    8. Re:Probably has shit battery life anyway by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 1

      Commence holding your breath. The phone is one month old and has a brand new lithium ion battery.

    9. Re:Probably has shit battery life anyway by Havenwar · · Score: 1

      two to four times a day in my mind would mean you speak on the phone 2-6 hours a day and probably is in an area with bad reception. I am often out in nature in areas where I get bad reception and it can suck my batteries dry in a day - if I spend any time talking on the phone of course even quicker.

      If you spend any less than that on the phone each day, or spend the days in an area with good reception, then I am sorry to say but yeah your brand new battery might actually be bad - it has happened to me.

      Now, if you spend your days talking that much on the cellphone close enough to a plug to actually charge it, then I suggest you consider external antennas to help with the reception, and maybe an aftermarket battery with some extra charge to it. Oh and if you do get a new battery, don't forget that you have to charge them for something like 16 hours straight the first time... Even if this isn't mentioned in the manuals these days. Any less than this and you will definitely have a badly functioning battery afterwards.

    10. Re:Probably has shit battery life anyway by anotherone · · Score: 1

      So new stuff is never broken? Seriously it sounds like you got a battery with a dead cell or two. Call the store you got your phone from and ask them if a six to twelve hour battery life is normal, they'll probably swap it for free.

      Of course you won't do that, will you? You're the kind of person who thrives on being angry, so you'll probably either post a snarky comeback, or make up a story about how you did call the cell phone store but the guy said that if you complained again he'd break into your house and drown your cat.

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    11. Re:Probably has shit battery life anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  27. TracFone by Mursk · · Score: 1

    Depending on how much use you anticipate for the phone, check out TracFone (http://www.tracfone.com/). It's a prepaid plan, but they have pretty simple phones available. Mine is just a phone, no camera or anything. One disclaimer, though: I almost never use my phone, so I end up paying less than $100 per year and am quite satisfied. YMMV.

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  28. tracfone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look at tracfone (Prepaid phones), it might be what your are looking for.

    http://www.tracfone.com/index.jsp

  29. um, they're free by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

    The cheap phone that comes free with your plan sounds like just the ticket. Tell Ma not to press the 'camera' button, and presto, a phone that doesn't have a camera!

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  30. Did you really look? by milamber3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or did you just want to get a post on slashdot? I went to verizonwireless.com and found multiple "just cell phone" phones. The LG VX3400, Verizon Wireless PN-300, Nokia 2366i, and more. That took all of 2 minutes, dont you think you could have done the same thing?

    1. Re:Did you really look? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just a cell phone with a very low power screen and two built-in antennas.

    2. Re:Did you really look? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With the abundance of people who stand behind the verzion network you should think that one of people in crowd would yell out and suggest that very phone.... Why should anyone need to go to verizonwireless at all?

    3. Re:Did you really look? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I hear with Verizon you can get 27 free phones of any model, you just have to ask them about the new "Till death do us part" contract deal.

    4. Re:Did you really look? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...that and the MOTOFONE F3 also has noise-canceling and is comparitively very rugged.

    5. Re:Did you really look? by Jim+Hall · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was about to post, mentioning the Motorola phone I have (it's just a phone, no frills, decent speaker.) It was one of the free phones you could pick when you got a plan. But T-Mobile's web site no longer lists my phone.

      But I also found several "just phones" on T-Mobile's web site: Samsung t219 or Samsung t209 or Nokia 6030 all look good (and are free when you sign up.) The Motorola V195s is pretty close to the model I have, and is just a phone ($20).

      After that, I figured the guy can do his own research.

    6. Re:Did YOU really look? by milamber3 · · Score: 0

      You have got to be joking. The original poster wanted a phone without camera, mp3, low battery life and high price for his mother. Those phones all meet the requirements with near 4 hour talk times and 300+ hours standby. Some of them have very nice large text display which is also a nice plus for many elderly users. Just because the thing has a calculator, memo recorder, and calendar in a menu option doesn't make it more expensive or kill the battery life. If its just going to be used as a basic phone then they wouldn't need to ever delve that deep. The jist of his post was about the useless bundling of extra equipment that would drive up price and kill battery life. Next time try thinking for a few minutes before spouting off the insults.

    7. Re:Did you really look? by celtic_hackr · · Score: 1

      Or did you just want to get a post on slashdot?

      Exactly! This person didn't look very hard.
      I always get, "just a phone". I have a camera, it's a nice one. Don't want some stupid texting phone, that's what computers are for. ;')
      Don't want to load up my phone with music, I have a nice stereo for that. I don't want a PDA, I want a hot blonde PLA (Personal Live Assistant). Sprint sells a ton of phones, and plenty of them are *just* a phone. I've seen plain phones in Walmart, too. I'll never understand the desire to text someone over a phone when it would be easier to have a bluetooth capable earpiece that can be used to *talk* to the other person?

      That way one's hands would be free to do something else, like ... oh, I don't know ... drive?
      But God forbid you should actually use a phone to actually talk to someone!
      Besides I've seen those "keyboards" for texting! NO thank you! I'd rather lose my eyesight doing something more fun! Someone pass the Cialis! I hear it's bad for your eyesight!
    8. Re:Did you really look? by MadMidnightBomber · · Score: 2, Funny

      You didn't read the small print did you? The contract doesn't end with your death, and there's something about your eternal soul in there.

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    9. Re:Did YOU really look? by ShaunC · · Score: 1

      I know this doesn't really add anything to the discussion, but the fact that a cellphone has a built-in "tip calculator" is just depressing. Are there actually people who pull out the ol' Razr after a good meal, trying to figure out how much tip they should leave?

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    10. Re:Did you really look? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funnily you should mention this because I'm one of the few people left that's never had a mobile phone and my wife came with a mobile phone!

  31. Just go to a store by Cereal+Box · · Score: 1

    Someone's bound to have pointed this out already, but every cellphone store sells stripped-down phones that are free with contract. Yes, they might have just a few extra features beyond just "phone" (like contacts), but they won't get in the way of "dial a number and press 'send'" operation.

    1. Re:Just go to a store by T-Bone-T · · Score: 1

      That's exactly how I feel. My phone has all kinds of features but is first and foremost a phone, just like every non-smartphone in existence.

  32. Nokia 3120 by niko9 · · Score: 1

    Look on eBay. Gent an an unlocked Nokia 3120b. A simple, small phone. http://www.nokiausa.com/link?cid=EDITORIAL_185052

    The buttons are easy to press, even for my sausage finger. It still has a simple "Ring" named ring tone that most new phones are lacking. Great battery life. A simple calendar you can attach notes to. A countdown timer, think parking meters. Easily availble for under forty dollars on eBay. I also picked up a spare.
    It is a GSM phone.

    1. Re:Nokia 3120 by Misanthropy · · Score: 1

      I got my 3120 through Cingular. I love it.
      It's just a phone, which is all I want. The battery life is great.

  33. Several MVNO's out there offering them by homey+of+my+owney · · Score: 1

    Samsung announced one that is plain and simple. They even have one that is just for emergencies.

  34. 7-11 (Kwikie Mart) by rossz · · Score: 1

    I can pop down to my local 7-11 and pick up a pay-as-you-go cell phone for under $50. I'll bet Walmart carries them, too.

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  35. But not the 1110! by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1
    I have both a 1100 and a 1110i. I bought the 1110i because the 1100 is such a great simple phone and thought the 1110i might be too.

    The 1110i is a confused lump of shit in comparison to the 1100. Nokia have added more features than the phone layout can handle, making it far more complicated to use than the 1100.

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  36. Virgin Mobile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... Or a number of other prepaid companies, but they seem to be solid and have great coverage (generally on the Sprint network I believe, though that may depend on the area)

    $20-$50 gets you a basic but solid phone, roughly 10 cents a minute to talk (depending on how you decide to pay), and NO CONTRACTS. Seems perfect for "casual" cell phone needs.

    And yes 10 cents a minute seems expensive to those used to 400 "free anytime" minutes a month but consider all the extra charges and hassles you get with a contract. Unless it's your primary phone or you make dozens of calls a day prepaid ends up being much cheaper in most cases.

  37. Virgin Mobile by smoot123 · · Score: 1
    I got my first phone late last year. I'm a cheap bastard and wanted the same thing -- a cheap phone to make calls with. No camera, no texting, no web browsing, just a phone.

    Virgin Mobile had the best deal I could find. I got a phone for something like $50, no service contract, the service is $7 a month and I pay $.10 a minute for calls. I think my average monthly bill is around $10-$15. The phone actually has text messaging and some "Virgin Connect" thingy that I can't figure out how to disable, but I just ignore that part.

  38. What features? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Okay, when you say that you want "just" a phone, with no extra features, you are lying. At the very least, you want a phone book. Probably a clock. Who knows what else? The example you give has quite a few features beyond "just a phone". It can download polyphonic ringtones, it's got multilingual voice prompts, an icon-based user-interface, etc. How many of these features do you want?

    When people say they want "just a phone", I've found that what they really mean is "a phone with all the extra features that my very first mobile phone had". So when you ask for "just a phone", people have to guess at what you actually mean. So how about you cut the "just a phone" crap and tell us your actual requirements?

    1. Re:What features? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My first requirement is that you not be a schmuck.

      Seems like you can't satisfy that one.

  39. Motorola L2 by FaithC · · Score: 1

    Cingular/ATT carries the Motorola L2 . It is a Candy-bar style phone, and its pretty plain-jane, the only feature beyond making calls, and the standard list of crapola, is Bluetooth, which is pretty much standard. I have had mine for about 9 months, and the kids cannot break it, it has survived several drops, and still works fine.. best of all, the charger port is a mini-usb, so you can load ringtones and wallpaper from your pc.. hell, you can even snag a charge anywhere there is an open USB port, which is handy as hell.. I cannot count the times I used my laptop to power the phone to make a call when the phone was dead... that being said, i get like 3-4 days standby time, and 4 hours talk or so. The phone is Quad-Band GSM, so it will work anywhere, Cingular/ATT or T-Mobile in the US, if unlocked. Not sure if t-mob offers it, but attular does.

  40. Sing It - Jitterbug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The lame commercials for the older generation phone, The Jitterbug!

  41. What about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the LG VX3400 http://reviews.cnet.com/cell-phones/lg-vx3400-veri zon-wireless/4505-6454_7-32070685.html

    Per Cnet review "

    The good: The LG VX3400 is a basic phone with a bare minimum of features. It has a compact design and a comfortable keypad, and features a speakerphone.

    The bad: The external screen of the LG VX3400 is monochrome, and personalization options are limited. There's also no Web browser.

    The bottom line: The LG VX3400 is one of the best basic phones we've laid our hands on, with simple and easy-to-use controls and a great compact design.
    "

  42. Must've not looked very hard by Sitnalta · · Score: 1

    T-Mobile has some basic phones. In fact, I'm pretty sure all of them do. You just have to know where to look.

  43. Why does it NEED to be bare-bones? by rob1980 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just get a cheapo phone with a contract from some provider, and tell your mom if she sees something she doesn't understand on the screen then just tap the red (power) button 2 or 3 times until she gets back to the main menu. Speaking from personal experience, it may be a little easier to do that than to limit yourself to phones that are tougher to find.

    1. Re:Why does it NEED to be bare-bones? by doublefrost · · Score: 1

      If its truly a barebones, cheap non-back-lit black LCD panel, then theoretically, it should not only be inexpensive to buy, but also have an insanely long battery life since it won't be a literal small computer like most phones now.

    2. Re:Why does it NEED to be bare-bones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An increasing number of phones have expensive one-touch features, especially when you get them from a network provider. "Red button to get to the main menu" also doesn't work as reliably as it used to. Cellphone makers need to stop using buttons for more than one function. The people who need simple phones have trouble with more complicated phones because of the virtualization of the functions. One button, one function. Up must mean one kind of up, not up when you're in a menu, ringtone volume up when you're not in a call or a menu and speaker volume up when you're in a call.

      The Motorola F3 is an excellent bare-bones phone: Battery life is excellent, mostly due to the e-paper display which is readable under any light. The flimsy backlight is only needed in absolute darkness. The phone is light and extremely thin and it is very robust. It is constructed to keep dust out because it's designed for third world countries. The buttons have a comfortable size. Reception is outstanding. Did I mention the great display? (Yes, it's a segment display, but it's READABLE like no other display.) It has no browser that could be activated accidentally and it cannot download expensive ringtones.

    3. Re:Why does it NEED to be bare-bones? by cibyr · · Score: 1

      Screw that. Up means up in whatever context I'm using the phone. Having two up buttons (as I have on my phone) would be more confusing. On a call, why would up mean anything but turn up the volume? In a menu, why would up mean anything but "go up one option"? What about reading text messages? Would you have a third up button for scrolling up a line? The buttons that annoy me most on my phone are the ones that only have one function - play/pause, the internet button, and the buttons above the screen that are only used for some of the camera features.

      And do NOT take away my shortcuts. Nothing annoys me more than having to go though 3 or 4 menus to get to a function that I use every day.

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    4. Re:Why does it NEED to be bare-bones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You and I can deal with one button controlling speaker volume, ringtone volume and moving around in a list, but there is still a generation which can't get used to UI "modes". These people do not need shortcuts, T9, internet browsers and all the other stuff that requires overloading UI elements. The "VCR blinks 0:00" generation needs phones which don't confuse them by switching into a different UI mode when a button is pushed accidentally.

    5. Re:Why does it NEED to be bare-bones? by AusIV · · Score: 1
      I agree. While it would be nice to find a phone that's just a phone, I'm reasonably happy with my Motorola Razr V3. It has a camera and bluetooth, yet it lasts longer on a charge than my first Samsung cell phone, which was just a phone.


      Now, the RAZR may not be the cheapest phone on the market, (I actually use the bluetooth and occasionally the camera, so I found it to be worth the upgrade cost), but whatever the freebie is that the provider gives you when you sign up should be straightforward enough to just use as a phone, and if you plug it in every three or four days you shouldn't have a problem with respect to battery life. And since it's given to you as a part of the plan, it will probably end up being cheaper than going out and finding a cell phone that is just a phone.

  44. I second this one. by attemptedgoalie · · Score: 1

    I had great luck and very inexpensive bills when I used this phone.

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  45. Mod Parent Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this article a joke??

    I've got a cellphone in my pocket that is 'just a phone'. I needed something cheap, candybar shaped, and more importantly right away since my old cellphone broke.

    Where did I go? The damn cellphone store. Where else would I go, a rapidly declining tech blog?

  46. Re:We need alternative to cellphones by monopolist by jdigriz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not true, Cingular (now ATT)'s goPhone PayAsYouGo plan does allow rollover.

  47. StarTAC by CompMD · · Score: 1

    There were umpteen millions of StarTACs out there you can probably dig up, and they were great simple phones. I still have one as a backup. Any old Nextel will also do the trick. Man, I do miss the i1000plus. I could go five days without needing to charge it.

    1. Re:StarTAC by Grand+Facade · · Score: 1

      I have 5 StarTAC phones, my hands down favorite of all time phone.

      Verizon will not activate any of them because they do not have built in GPS for 911 service.

      Good luck getting an old phone activated.....

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    2. Re:StarTAC by CompMD · · Score: 1

      If you yell and scream enough about protocol compliance and FCC regulations (regardless of whether or not they apply, you just need to sound like you know what you're talking about) eventually they capitulate. In 2003 I yelled and screamed at Verizon and got them to activate an old Sony Zuma Z200. They told me they couldn't activate it because it was incompatible with their network. When I asked the CSR if he was sure, and he replied that he was, he gave in when I told him that I was talking to him on the phone at that very moment.

      There are millions of perfectly good, usable, used cell phones out there that won't cost anyone more than $5. Its a shame that the providers are so environmentally negligent as to try and force people to upgrade to devices they don't need.

      BTW, a friend of mine ran over her StarTAC (accidentally) with her car and it survived with only a small crack in the case. Love those old phones.

    3. Re:StarTAC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they won't. They are banning non-E911 capable phones BECAUSE of FCC regulations. It's ridiculous but (despite most 911 call centers NOT having capability to use the data) the FCC required 100% E911 capability on the networks by like 2005 or so. The phone cos are still grandfathering any older phones on plans but they CAN NOT be put back on the plan.

                BTW, if you do go yelling and screaming at the reps -- accounts DO have notes put on them, and at least when I worked at the cable company, bitchers did NOT get offers to have late fees waived, etc... why do a favor for someone who's going to be unpleasant anyway? If there was a cable outage (let's say 2 hours) and someone had $50/month service (to make the math easy), if someone bitched and yelled "I demand credit NOW!!!" they'd get.. $50/(30*(24/2))=$0.14. Someone who said "Can you give me a credit?" would get $5-10. I'm just saying..

                It sucks, but Verizon will also no longer activate phones that are not Verizon branded -- they used to, but now it's simply impossible.

                There is one possiblity to get old phones activated though -- air time resellers such as Page Plus will apparently activate anything, even old analog bag phones.

    4. Re:StarTAC by cecille · · Score: 1

      man, my old kyocera fell out of my pocket in the middle of a road during a rainstorm. By the time I noticed and went back, it had been sitting in a puddle and getting run over by cars for ~10 mins. As I stood there watching, it got run over by a cube van and two cars. Picked it up and it had a few dents and the antenna was broken off, but otherwise STILL WORKING. Even antenna-free. Previous to that I washed it twice and it was still fine.

      Meanwhile, my new phone took one fall into the water and is cooked. I swear they're just adding new features to make the damn things more expensive and then making them more delicate so you do have to buy a new one every year or so. Or you do if you're clumsy and absent-minded like I am.

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  48. False dilemma? by vecctor · · Score: 1

    All of them bundle cameras, PDAs, MP3 players, and a kitchen sink with a battery life of 2 hours, all for the low price of $350 or more.. Personal experience, but I haven't seen the tradeoff that is stated here (basically more features == less battery life).

    My phone has all kinds of crap I never use, but it does calls just fine and lasts a week on pure standby, a few days if I use it regularly. It has lots of power saving features you can turn on before you hand it over to mom, like turning out the blinding backlight after just a few seconds rather than whatever the default is (like laptops, I think the display/backlight chug alot of power). If anything, phones have gotten much longer lasting even while becoming smaller.

    I have a Sanyo Katana if you want to look further: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanyo_katana

    You can just open and dial if you want. The internet/bluetooth are there, but you can disable them. Camera is there, but doesn't add much bulk (the phone is razr-sized) and doesn't drain battery if you don't use it. The case is a sturdy plastic, and holds up better than the razr it is imitating (in my experience - I know people with razrs and have compared).

    I got mine at $20 with contract, but I imagine it would be pretty expensive otherwise (if you could even get it at all without contract in the US - which is a different rant I am sure everyone knows about).

    My 2c
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  49. Nokia 1100 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Don't know if this works in US or not (it does in Europe), but Nokia 1100 is the most sturdy GSM phone I have ever seen.

  50. e to the by GrayCalx · · Score: 1

    Bay.

  51. Nokia 6030 by ichthus · · Score: 1

    Nokia 6030. Small, yet the buttons are easy to work with. Great reception. Great battery life. Simple. Free with a new plan.

    Here.

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  52. t-mobile pay as you go. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no no no.
    HEre is what you do. Buy one of the prepaid gsm phones from t-mobile (cheap, sometimes as low as 10 bucks). Get a $100 prepaid card with it. This won't expire for a whole year. IF you buy another card it will renew the exisitng expiration date for another year for all minutes. And.. Target has them on sale often and adds 10 to 20% bonus to it as well. This is by far the cheapest way to call if you don't call much but need a cell phone.

  53. made with the heart? by haleq · · Score: 1

    I think this article has highlighted a very good point about todays consumer-centric world. It really is hard to get plain old products nowadays.

    Another point I notice, is that modern products are not made anywhere near as well as their predecesors. For example, old cars are often a lot more reliable and better built than the latest, of the production line tin cans. And with mobile phones, these modern flip/slide things couldn't take being dropped more than a few times. I used to have an old 'brick' which was run over by a lorry and survived.

    Products today just aren't made with the heart, the only thing in the minds of the producers is money money money.

    1. Re:made with the heart? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > It really is hard to get plain old products nowadays.

      Because the vast majority of people don't want them, and niche markets aren't profitable.

      > Another point I notice, is that modern products are not made anywhere near as well as their predecesors.

      Hogwash. My Nokia has seen more abuse than my old Ericsson (pre-Sony) ever did, and it hasn't noticed. Maybe you need to be more discerning about your purchases.

      > old cars are often a lot more reliable and better built than the latest,

      The numbers don't bear you out. No car manufacturer in the 70's and 80's would have dreamed of offering a 100,000 Mile drive train warranty.

      Shake that cane, gramps. You are old.

    2. Re:made with the heart? by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      I used to have an old 'brick' which was run over by a lorry and survived. Products today just aren't made with the heart, the only thing in the minds of the producers is money money money. Funny to think that a (now kitsch) symbol of the moneygrabbing 80s is being held up as an example of something with "heart" in the face of cynical modern phones :-)

      I see what you're saying, but you forgot two important points. The 'brick' (80s model?) was probably horrifically expensive when it was new, and it couldn't have been made very small even if they'd wanted it to be.

      Today's mobile phones today are cheap- *very* cheap. Yes, you can buy expensive ones, but a bog-standard one (even with a colour screen) is not expensive. Building them like tanks would ramp up the cost and size; it's easy to criticise the evil corporations for wanting to make money. However, the bottom line is they're much more affordable now, and people wouldn't buy a brick if they had to be twenty times the cost and twenty times the size.
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    3. Re:made with the heart? by haleq · · Score: 1

      The point you have made about cars is true, however i should have been more specific. I was refering to, for example, the cheap, family centric modern for focus's etc. And how they are bogged down with 'safety features' including crumpling into a miserable ball of scrap upon impact. An equivalent from the early 90s say, would not do that.

  54. Slashdot, meet Google by Pap22 · · Score: 1

    A google search for "cell phones" returns numerous sponsored and non-sponsored links to vendors and providers who all offer cell phones starting at $0.

    Hey, wouldn't it be nice if tech nerds had a common website to exchange comments on with other intelligent tech nerds? Yeah, on this new site, we could even allow the intelligent ones to be administrators!

    1. Re:Slashdot, meet Google by belg4mit · · Score: 1

      The results one gets from "cell phone" or "plain cell phone" do not satisfy the poster's criteria.
      OTOH myself and at least a half dozen other folks immediately thought of the Jitterbug and have
      posted comments to that effect. It wasn't that dumb of an Ask Slashdot Bub.

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  55. Nokia 6100 by lisnter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Probably the best phone I ever had. It's several years old now but I found this on eBay though price seems a bit high for such an old device.
        http://cgi.ebay.com/Unlocked-Nokia-6100-Tri-Band-G SM-Mobile-Phone_W0QQitemZ160139013240QQihZ006QQcat egoryZ64355QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

    I loved that phone and would still use one if I didn't need a Smartphone to keep track of my contacts and schedule (I got tired of carrying two devices around everyplace). The 6100 has the best interface, it's small and reception/voice quality was good. I charged it every night out of force-of-habit so I don't know the battery life. It's a great phone.

  56. Tracfone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pay as you go and they offer just cell phones without the gadgets. The cheapest come in at $10 with 8 hours talk time.

    http://www.tracfone.com/index.jsp

  57. Jitterbug? by jamesoutlaw · · Score: 1

    I don't know much about this company, but their phones and services are geared toward older people who just want a plain phone to make occasional calls.

    http://www.jitterbug.com/

  58. Verizon does not rate signal reception by amigabill · · Score: 1

    I've asked Verizon a few times for advice on buying a new phone that would have better signal reception than my LG9800 AKA "The V", as I can't use it at home. Each time I was told that Verizon does not have such information. The best I can do is randomly buy phones, and if I'm not hapy with then return them in 30 days, randomly buy another one, lather rinse, and repeat until I by chance find a phone that works. So in terms of finding a phone with good reception, Verizon is apparently not able to help anyone. But do avoid the LG9800, as my personal experience with it is that it has both poor reception and poor battery life. The expensive battery upgrade to 2100mAh capacity helps, but the original battery sould still last longer than a day. I assume it does not because of the poor signal and it's always scanning for a tower when I'm at home which burns through the battery. I'd also like to make signal reception and battery life as the two only details in choosing my next phone, and hoepfully another poster will have better info on Verizon phones, as other carriers don't have any service at all for blocks away from my Sister's house and such, part of why we switched to Verizon, but for my own I may say screw it to the free Verizon to Verizon calling and bail out to something that will actually work at all at my own house. My roommates with Tmobile, Cingular, etc. don't seem to have problems like my phone does, so it's either my phone or Verizon's towers at fault...

  59. Samsung sch-A630 by Yaksha42 · · Score: 1

    I have a Samsung sch-A630. It's an incredibly barebones flip phone.

    No camera, no games, nothing really fancy about it. The battery life is good, I rarely get calls and I charge it about once a week. Check eBay, you can probably get it for $30 - $30. I have mine through Verizon.

  60. Nokia 6030 by joesucks · · Score: 1

    Basic phone, great functionality, awesome battery life (lasts close to 10 days with full charge has 6+ hours talk time), no camera none of the bells and whistles, good reception. T-Mobile to-go phone is the way I acquired it because my motorola was just dying, costs like $30 you will also get a 1 hour talk time i think. Let me know if you need further help.

  61. Is the US really that bad for phones? by payndz · · Score: 1

    Last week I bought a T-Mobile pay-as-you-go phone for £10 ($20). No contract, and the call credit doesn't expire (which is good, because I can go a couple of months without making a call). It would even play MP3s if it were Mac-compatible - it isn't, but that's hardly a problem because I also own a thing called an 'iPod'. It's small, so far hasn't needed recharging in five days, and does the job perfectly adequately.

    I can't believe that the US - supposedly the land of consumer choice - doesn't offer anything similar. Is the OP not looking hard enough, or are American phone companies really that horrible?

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    1. Re:Is the US really that bad for phones? by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Last week I bought a T-Mobile pay-as-you-go phone for £10 ($20). UK pounds, unsubsidised pay-as-you-go, new phone for £10?

      That is cheap if I understand you right; I'd expect the cheapest phone to cost £20 or so, maybe I haven't been paying attention to the market recently.
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    2. Re:Is the US really that bad for phones? by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      I just bought a pay-as-you-go no contract no expire phone from virgin mobile for US$20. It came with a US$20 minute card so it is a free, no contract phone. Kyocera Oystr, which I actually like. You have to add at least $20 every 3 months but the minutes don't expire, so it turns out to be perfect for someone like me who uses a cellphone rarely. I can store up minutes and use them up when I travel or go through a bad part of life where I need to talk on a mobile phone lots.

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    3. Re:Is the US really that bad for phones? by bombshelter13 · · Score: 1

      The answer to your question is that actually, in fact, they are far, far more horrible than that. While in this case, the poster was merely not looking hard enough, the truth is that the horrible crime to which you alude has not come to pass for the sole reason that it would be 'too small time' and 'not evil enough' for the dreadful orchestra of malevolance that is the American telephone industry. No, their minds are far too occupied with plans even more incomprehensibly vile.

    4. Re:Is the US really that bad for phones? by TobascoKid · · Score: 1

      2 days ago I bought a Motorola F3 as a spare phone. £9.99 on T-Mobile PAYG + £10 airtime from carphone warehouse.

      I've just inserted an Orange SIM and it seems to be unlocked (I had to try it after looking at the packaging and I noticed it was generic and didn't mention T-Mobile)

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  62. Please don't get motorola by plunderphonic · · Score: 1

    Please don't get motorola. I have had bad experiences with their phones, as have people with whom I have spoken. They emphasize style at the expense of substance. I have found the Razor to be particularly unreliable.

    1. Re:Please don't get motorola by countSudoku() · · Score: 1

      I'll second that. I've had a RAZR V3 for the past two years and did have a bit trouble with the batteries to being with. I figured out that every other time you charge it you need to shut down the phone and remove and reseat the battery to get a good charge on the following cycle. Otherwise you'd get maybe 15 minutes of talk time and about a day of standby. I thought my first battery was bad so I had it replaced before I figured out the above trick. At about the year and a half mark the battery itself was the culprit and I'm down to the same 15/day talk/standby times again and am looking at $50 to replace the battery. The other big problem is that Moto does not know squat about creating a usable user interface. The menus and options are not well thought out, compared to any Nokia phone, and many of the security features simply do not work correctly. I reconfiged another V3 phone for my daughter and found that no matter what you do some of the extra features cannot be turned off in the GUI, even though there is an option to do so. The RAZR and other V3 phones look good and are fine for phone use but the standard browser, GUI and other "features" like only have 5MB of internal user memory are a joke to say the least. Flashy outside, shitty inside. Moto phones blow.

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    2. Re:Please don't get motorola by plunderphonic · · Score: 1

      Agreed. The UI of the Motorola Razor is not well thought-out, for example it takes many more keypresses to send a text message than on my old phone (forget the model).

    3. Re:Please don't get motorola by MrPlastic · · Score: 1
      If you refused every phone that someone had "a bad experience with," you'd be using two tin cans and a length of string for the rest of your life.

      I've been using a Motorola V710 for three years now. It's been dropped, been on its belt clip during dashes through the rain, and its exterior is scratched to hell and back. The glass over the camera lens has a hairline crack from a particularly nasty drop, but neither the camera nor the phone has ever quit working. It pulls in signals like a champ. It has a MicroSD card slot for expansion, and I can copy MP3s and MIDs from the card to the phone memory to use as ringtones. It's on its second battery now, and I get 5 days standby with Bluetooth activated.

      If you don't need analog capability, try the identically styled E815.

  63. Is this a real complaint? by Orig_Club_Soda · · Score: 1

    My 67 year old mother has a RAZR. She knows how to store numbers and make calls. She just ignores the other technology... I really dont see what the problem is here. Or by her a child's cell phone.

  64. Motorola V195 by mparker762 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Great battery life - talk time of 8 hrs or standby time of 2+ weeks. Don't know about the talk time, but I *do* get the specced standby time. Get it for $20 with the cheap ($30/mo) T-Mobile plan, or with their pre-pay plan for $40 (includes a $25 refill card).

    1. Re:Motorola V195 by GCH · · Score: 0

      I agree, this phone is what I went with when I asked myself the same question. I just want a phone, not a camera, MP3 player, or other such "features". T-Mobile just had them on a prepay deal for $39.99, or you can get one with a plan. You can get it unlocked by one of the many vendors on the Internet who sell unlock codes for fairly reasonable prices, or, you can request an unlock code from T-Mobile if you meet some minor requirements.

      The phone is quad-band, as well, so it works in EU.

    2. Re:Motorola V195 by nineloc9 · · Score: 0

      Agreed. Like the original poster's Mom, my wife just wanted a phone. V195 has amazing talk time and standby time, and serves her purposes just great. I'd recommend this one if you're looking for "just a phone". Nine be loving his Dash, though. I'm just sayin'.

  65. Get thee to 7-11 FFS by mashade · · Score: 5, Informative

    Forget eBay, the submitter just wants to be told what to do...

    Even 7-11 and WalMart have pre-paid bare-bones cell phones these days! Did this really have to be asked? I know there's a big movement on ./ for simple, long lasting phones (and I'm sympathetic to the idea myself) but honestly, it isn't hard to find a simple cheap phone.

    [/rant]

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    1. Re:Get thee to 7-11 FFS by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      I used to be part of that movement. Until I found out about walmart's offerings. They're not bad phones, but as it turns out I like the doodads, gizmos, and interwhatizis that the expensive phones provide and was fooling myself all this time.

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    2. Re:Get thee to 7-11 FFS by bigberk · · Score: 1

      On the topic of easy to buy prepaid phones from 7-11/WalMart ... I am coming from another country to visit California for a few days, and am thinking of buying a cell phone to use locally rather than bringing my own and incurring ridiculously high roaming charges. The ones I can buy at the retailers you mention, can one activate and use them without having an address and landline?

    3. Re:Get thee to 7-11 FFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forget eBay, the submitter just wants to be told what to do...
      I second that motion. How hard is it to sign up for a plan and get a free phone? How hard is it to answer a fucking phone call using said free cell phone? How hard is it to use the camera that's built into said free cell phone - oh, wait - you didn't want to bother with the camera, right? So don't use the fucking camera!! Just because it's there doesn't mean you have to use it, duh.
      On the other hand, he could always opt to tell his mother to get with the fucking times. Cell phones aren't that hard to use.
  66. Thank you! by Mr_Silver · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    I, for one, am extremely grateful that this question has been posted to Slashdot.

    The next time someone moans "oh, I just want a phone that does talking and texting - why do no phones do this any more?", I can point them to here and hopefully shut another Slashdot phone whinger up.

    Then the rest of us can get back to enjoying our phones with Bluetooth, Java, IM, GPS, camera, web-browsing, calendar, PC synchronisation and MP3 playback.

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    1. Re:Thank you! by Dogtanian · · Score: 2, Funny

      Then the rest of us can get back to enjoying our phones with Bluetooth, Java, IM, GPS, camera, web-browsing, calendar, PC synchronisation and MP3 playback. How basic!... don't you know that the latest phones all include a Teasmade and a trouser press as standard?
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  67. Motorola C139 by geniusj · · Score: 1

    The Motorola C139 is a dual-band GSM phone that will fully utilize the t-mobile and cingular US networks. It can be found new for under $20 unlocked. It's as bargain as phones get and has nice battery life to boot.

    http://www.motorola.com/motoinfo/product/details.j sp?globalObjectId=119

    1. Re:Motorola C139 by geniusj · · Score: 1

      Oh by the way. You can buy it at Target for $16.04 apparently.

    2. Re:Motorola C139 by Wog · · Score: 1

      Only if you want a Tracfone ($15 most places). If you have Cingular, you can just pop a sim card into the $20 Cingular version and it will Just Work.

      That's what I did when I sold my smartphone to a missionary who wasn't going to be able to find one in the field. While I save the money for the phone I *really* want, I'm okay with the Cingular Motorola C139. The interface sucks and there are lots of irritating features that can't be disabled, but for the price I can't complain.

  68. Trakfone? by vtcodger · · Score: 2, Informative

    If your mom will only use the phone a few times a month, you can get a Tracfone for about $20 or $30 at Radio Shack or just about any drugstore. Airtime is expensive 20-40 cents a minute (twice that when roaming). Coverage seems good. I've raised a signal in some really remote parts of the Great Basin. Adding time is a royal PITA, (you have to enter code into the phone) but it was easier the last time I tried it than it used to be. You need to add time occasionally to keep the phone active. My cost works out to about $10 a month. I only use it on occasional trips, and it's fine for that.

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    1. Re:Trakfone? by Queer+Boy · · Score: 1

      That's NUTS. T-Mobile's prepay is 10 a minute and there's no such thing as roaming. So far, T-Mobile is the cheapest pre-pay I have found, although when I used to use it (before I had a plan with Sprint) you could not use data.

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    2. Re:Trakfone? by vtcodger · · Score: 1
      Not necessarily NUTS. I believe from what I read that if you don't use much time, Tracfone and T-Mobile cost about the same. I can't tell for sure because -- unlike Tracfone -- T-Mobile doesn't seem to reveal the details of its prepaid cost structure on its web site. At least I can't find it. That may just be lousy web site design or my incompetence. But I don't trust companies that aren't up front about costs.

      I also think that Tracfone has better coverage. I know that used to be the case. Again, I can't tell for sure because T-Mobile's coverage map is down this morning. Historically, T-Mobile coverage in Vermont where I live has been -- I'm told -- even worse than the other providers. Since cell phone coverage in Vermont beyond the city limits of Burlington is notoriously iffy even with the best providers, T-Mobile's coverage up here would be a real issue. I'd guess that is true in other boondockish regions as well.

      On the plus side, adding minutes to a T-Mobile prepaid phone almost certainly is easier than adding time to a Tracfone. I don't see how it could be harder unless the phones contain a genie that you have to wrestle to the ground before you get your minutes.

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    3. Re:Trakfone? by scharkalvin · · Score: 1

      Trakfone isn't that expensive when you buy a year long time card. For under $100
      you get a full year of service and several hundred minutes of air time. You can
      extend the air time at any time buy buying additional air time cards. There are
      also 1 year service cards that give you DOUBLE the air time on each additional air
      time cards you add.

      Finally Trakfone has cloned themselves with NET10, a sister service that is only
      10 cents a minute (or LESS) depending on the air time cards you purchase. Net10 is
      a "buy in bulk" version of Trakfone, so it costs more for their air time cards because
      you are buying more minutes at each purchase, but paying less per minute. The only
      down side is that Trakfone seems to have a larger choice of phones than NET10.

      My wife and I are very happy with our Trakfones, though service inside some shopping malls
      is spotty (maybe the malls are rf shielded against cell phones?).

  69. Free phone by barl0w2 · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure why you wouldn't get a free phone and sign a contract for 1-2 years? I've always like http://www.wirefly.com/ Matter of fact, I got money back ($50) for signing up for my phone and plan.

  70. T Mobile to Go is a good option by Mal+Reynolds · · Score: 4, Informative

    If your mom won't use her cell phone more than 1 to 2 hours per month, she does not need a cell phone plan, she needs a pre-paid cell phone.

    I've researched this for some relatives of mine, I decided on T Mobile's pre-paid plan. It's called "T Mobile To Go". T Mobile pre-paid plans don't have any monthly charges and only require 1 purchase per year to retain unused minutes. For those who make seldom use of a cell phone, it offers an aggregated monthly rate of $12 per month or less.

    T Mobile always has deals for pre-paid phones. Often you'll be able to get a basic phone and 1 year (1100 minutes) of service for less than $130. You can purchase online or at one of their stores.

    http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones/prepaid.aspx

    Most pre-paid cellular plans charge a monthly fee by burning minutes whether the phone is used or not. T Mobile's pre-plan doesn't do this. And under T Mobile, once a customer has purchased $100 worth of minutes, those minutes won't expire for 1 year. More importantly, after that initial $100 purchase, any future minutes purchased will not expire for a year from the date of last purchase.

    So to keep a T Mobile pre-paid account active, one only needs purchase another cheap, $10 card before the year expires. All existing minutes will be carried over. (after having purchased those initial $100 of minutes)

    I'm not huge fan of T-Mobile, they have issues just like the rest of the carriers. But their pre-paid plan is superior to any of the others I've researched.

    For someone who uses less than 100 minutes per month, the aggregated monthly cost of a pre-paid T Mobile phone can be less than $12 per month, even less after the first year.

    1. Re:T Mobile to Go is a good option by soupforare · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'll second this.
      Get an old brickphone like the Nokia 3595 and a tmobile prepaid card (you can find both on ebay for very cheap) and she'll be golden.

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    2. Re:T Mobile to Go is a good option by xpeeblix · · Score: 1

      I'll strongly second this. I bought a Nokia 6030 from T-Mobile for 29.95 and got $25 call credit with them. It's a great phone, easy to use, phenomenal battery life and even an FM radio (must use headset) built in. No email, no phone, no GPS, no Google Maps.

      You only get $10 call credit now, but hey, that's a $20 GSM cell phone with great battery life, brand new.

      I would also add that I've had Cellular One, Sprint, AT&T and Verizon in addition to T-Mobile and nobody compares in customer service. T-Mobile rocks, they haven't jerked me around once, a favorite sport of all the others.

      And if you drop it and break it, you won't throw yourself off a bridge, unlike the iPhone elite.

    3. Re:T Mobile to Go is a good option by call+-151 · · Score: 1

      I'll second/third this reccommendation. T-Mobile's prepaid plan works well and I got a bunch of old Samsung phones on eBay a while ago and now lend them out to visitors to the US when they arrive here, with prepaid T-Mobile SIMS. Some of the Samsung phones include the GSM 900 band and work fine in many European countries and Oz/NZ, as a bonus. And T-Mobile has been great about unlocking multiple phones for me and I've heard several other people who've been impressed with T-Mobile's service. Even if their prepaid plan weren't the best deal, I'd be willing to pay more for being treated like a responsible adult when I talk to customer service. Their coverage is not on par with the bigger providers away from the metropoli and big highways, but I've been very happy with them overall.

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    4. Re:T Mobile to Go is a good option by Queer+Boy · · Score: 1

      T-Mobile HANDS DOWN has the best customer service of any cell provider. I've called them once for a problem and two times for questions and once to activate a feature on my phone and every time I was connected to an American. That alone makes it a winner for me because every time I call sprint now they are connecting me with someone who does not understand basic American slang or informal speech and all they do is tell me what they CAN'T do for me.

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    5. Re:T Mobile to Go is a good option by houghi · · Score: 1
      First

      T Mobile pre-paid plans don't have any monthly charges

      Then

      it offers an aggregated monthly rate of $12 per month or less.


      Sounds to me they DO charge you per month. In Belgium when you buy a pre-paid card, it will be valid for 1 year or 6 months dependng on the card. You can buy them as ceacp as 4EUR and I have seen mobiles in Belgium where you buy a Nokia 1600 that comes with a card that has 2EUR valid for 1 year.

      Ideal for people who only recieve calls. Obviously unblocked phone, as it is illegal to block phones in Belgium, so when your 2EUR are up, you can buy whatever pre-paid card you desire.
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    6. Re:T Mobile to Go is a good option by benbondu · · Score: 1

      "No email, no phone, no GPS, no Google Maps." No phone? That's actually a feature I might want to keep.

    7. Re:T Mobile to Go is a good option by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      There are three pre-pay phones available at any Wal-Mart store in the country: TrakFone, Virgin Mobile, and T-Mobile To Go.

      Having looked at all three options for my parents, I went with Virgin Mobile. It is superior to the other two in almost every way. The phones are cheaper (some models free to new customers!), the plans are cheaper, and every conceivable payment option is available.

      Getting started using them requires going to a website and typing a bunch of numbers and stuff, but if you do that for them, they should have no problems with the day to day use of the phone.

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    8. Re:T Mobile to Go is a good option by xpeeblix · · Score: 1

      Ah, so that's what the "preview" button is for!

  71. Re:VirginMobile (Agreed) by Alt_Cognito · · Score: 0

    I use them as well. As for them being "rebranded", it is irrelevant to me.

    As I understand it, on their pay as you go plan, TMobile doesn't allow minutes to roll over and requires a certain number of minutes to be used per month. It ends up costing as much as $30 a month.

    Things may have changed, but with VirginMobile, despite the fact their marketing is all geared towards 16 year olds, they really are the best deal for those of us who only use their cell phone for very basic things. I VERY rarely have gone over $10 a month.

  72. Seriously, did you even try? by TrappedByMyself · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Within 30 seconds of reading your whiny post, I specced out $39.99 monthly plan +$35 sign up fee from Verizon Wireless with a basic phone (not even a camera) that is free with a 2 year contract.

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  73. I have one from Sprint by ec_hack · · Score: 1

    I carry a Plain Old Cell Phone from Sprint, a Sanyo-built Sprint-labeled model, and got one for my tech-challenged mom. I didn't want one with a camera, as I can't carry a camera model into some worksites I visit.

  74. Get thee to support. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "What you want isn't a brand-new, basic phone like the Motorola one; what you want is a phone from about three or four years ago. It'll be a lot cheaper, too -- and if something happens to it, no problem, just get a new one."

    Make certain the carrier supports it. I have a Samsung SPH-i300. The carrier still supports it.

    1. Re:Get thee to support. by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      However, if in the US, carriers will not sign up a phone that doesn't have GPS support for e911; it's a $10,000 fine if they do.

      I discovered this when looking to get myself a new phone and wanting to give my mother my old phone (her first). My old number had to stay with the old phone because assigning a new number to the old phone would trigger that fine. Either that phone had to keep its number, I had to keep the old phone and gave her the new one, or I had to buy two new phones and retire the old one.

      That old number had a nice letter mapping too.

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    2. Re:Get thee to support. by Some_Llama · · Score: 2, Informative

      I believe you got bullshitted, see here: http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/support/governm entgpse911.jsp verizon is definitely selling the 6750 blackberry and enabling service on the phone.

    3. Re:Get thee to support. by nasch · · Score: 1

      However, if in the US, carriers will not sign up a phone that doesn't have GPS support for e911; I don't know about any fine, but wireless e911 need not have anything to do with GPS, and generally does not.
    4. Re:Get thee to support. by magictiger · · Score: 1
      lolz. This is complete manure. The goal was to have, I believe, 95% of handsets E911 capable by a certain date. Most carriers just won't activate them because it moves the attainment in the wrong direction.

      You wouldn't happen to have Alltel service, would you? I've heard them try to BS a customer about it just like this, claiming a huge fine if they activate it. That's what got me curious in the first place.

    5. Re:Get thee to support. by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      You wouldn't happen to have Alltel service, would you? I've heard them try to BS a customer about it just like this, claiming a huge fine if they activate it. That's what got me curious in the first place.
      On the nose. Damn.
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  75. Exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a great little phone that's actually just a phone. Supports Bluetooth if you want a headset, and not much else, but it does its job just fine.

  76. pre-paid by pjp6259 · · Score: 1

    Go to Target (or similar) and get a pre-paid phone. They run as cheap as $20, and the cheap ones don't have a camera or anything. This might not work if the cell phone is going to be here primary phone, because the rates would be to high. We bought ours when there was a sale and for about $85 we got a nokia phone & $115 worth of t-mobile minutes @ 10 cents a minute. The minutes expire after a year, but supposedly if you buy a $15 recharge card they will extend them for another year.

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  77. Mod parent funny! by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 1

    He owns a SLVR and never noticed the phone or the headphone jack, or read a single sentence of the documentation. He never noticed the TV ads for it as a top of the line cool phone/mp3 player/movie player/camera/video recorder. He bought it, put it in his pocket and never looked at it again.

    1. Re:Mod parent funny! by middlemen · · Score: 1

      i also mentioned that no one calls me either, all the more reason to never look at the phone. in any case it is SLVR L2 and has no camera. Forgive me for not remembering the random version numbering on the cell phone.

  78. Prepaid by Nozsd · · Score: 1

    Try the tracfones. My mother has the Motorola C139 which is only $15 and doesn't do any fancy things. It's a simple phone with voicemail, caller ID, text messages, and call waiting. If your mother isn't going to use the cell phone much, this option will cost cheaper even though minute-wise it is more expensive. Also, I don't know when this started, but apparently you can refill your minutes straight from the phone, so in addition to not having to deal with bills and contracts, you don't even need to visit their website.

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  79. Motorala W315... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is just a phone (+ SMS, but I don't think that you can get away with). No camera, no MP3 player, no kitchen sink. I have had it go a week on a charge, with about 3-4 hours of talktime used. It is a flip phone. I've dropped mine a few times, and had no issues. It uses a mini-USB plug for the charger. I've liked mine so far.

  80. Nokia 2865i by gstovall · · Score: 1

    Inexpensive phone, good reception. Excellent holster. Loud ring.

    I paid $29 with AllTel for the phone with their $0.15/min national prepaid plan.

  81. Jitterbug by Jimithing+DMB · · Score: 1

    Since you are looking for a non-technical person I would recommend the Jitterbug. My mom and I got my dad one for Christmas last year and it works very well. They preprogram numbers in for you and you can call their operators and have them add or delete numbers without having to navigate the menus on the phone. The phone also has a more holdable shape since it is wide at the bottom and narrow at the top with a bit of an oval to it.

    If you are looking for a decent quality general cell phone I'd recommend an LG VX8300. Yes, it has the camera and has bluetooth and a Micro-SD slot and can play music and all that fancy stuff. But I just use mine as a phone and it is the best cell phone I've had in a long time. Call quality is excellent (Verizon). My only gripe is that the ear piece is mounted closer to the top of the phone than on my last phone so for the first couple of weeks I had to remember to hold the phone a little bit lower on my ear to line the speaker up with my ear so I can hear out of it. It also makes balancing the phone on my shoulder somewhat of a challenge but I usually keep a headset (wired, it sounds better) at home. I don't talk for any length of time while driving as I can't concentrate on the conversation so I usually don't bother with a headset in the car since an entire conversation with me driving is less time than it would take to plug the ear piece in.

  82. Re:We need alternative to cellphones by monopolist by greg1104 · · Score: 1

    Prepaid phones don't allow rollover minutes

    Most of them don't. I have one. 7-11 stores have a prepaid plan called Speakout Wireless ( http://www.cellguru.net/speakout.htm is a good intro) where any minutes you add to the card are good for a year--and if you add more minutes, even nearly year old ones that otherwise would have expired are brought back to current.

    I can only comment on the Cingular-based version of the plan, but I've gotten two of those models with Nokia phones and been very happy. The coverage seems no crappier than what other Cingular subscribers in the area get, it's been basically reliable for me on the east coast (I'm at points from DC to Boston regularly), and I can easily hold my monthly expense to under $10 if I'm only using the phone occasionally.

  83. Reminds me of another problem by erroneus · · Score: 1

    I'm to replace the phone system at my office. The company wants "basic-basic-basic." The expectation is Nortel. When you ask people what kind of phone system they have and they don't know? 99% of the time it's because they never have a problem with it and because it's a Nortel and to them that's what "office phone" means.

    But when I am out shopping for phone systems, I get people exclaiming "feature! feature! function! gadget!" The company I work for does NOT want that. They want to answer the phone when it rings and to press as few buttons as possible when accessing voicemail and on occasion to be able to transfer their call to someone else... and NOTHING ELSE. Instead of a salesman offering what I ask for, they try to shove IPPhones, desktop voicemail and you name-it up my ass. I don't want those things in my ass and I don't want to be able to open my garage door by contacting my voicemail over the internet!

    There comes moments when technology simply gets in the way.

  84. Samsung SGH-T209 by Epi-man · · Score: 1

    I have been fairly pleased with my Samsung SGH-T209. It is a phone. It does have a stopwatch and calculator as well, but for the price (extend our contract with T-mobile) it is nice. I too don't want a Swiss Army knife device, my phone is for emergencies.

  85. Phones are small by Ucklak · · Score: 1

    I have a Morotola C139 and pay $25 a quarter with rollover minutes.

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  86. Samsung t219 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Samsung t219. T-mobile used to sell the x495 which is of similar ilk. Mostly just a phone, and nothing that really sucks battery life. Mine goes all week on a single charge.

  87. Jitterbug is great if that's what you want by billstewart · · Score: 5, Informative
    My mom has limited vision, and while she has good hand dexterity, she couldn't read the little menus on her previous cell phone to know which button to push. We got her a Jitterbug last year, and she's been using it a lot. The screen's pretty big and bright, and instead of using the space to display lots of tiny menus for lots of useless features, it's big numbers with minimal menus (like "Bob - Dial?".) Sometimes you need to scroll through a few more choices than other phones, but they're all Yes/No, and you can voicedial or just call the operator to get connected if you don't want to dial. It's not the *same* kind of simplicity as the iPhone (:-), but it's really good.


    It's designed for older people with varying limitations - one model has number-pad buttons and yes/no, while the other just has three fat buttons for operator/towtruck/911. They're both a bit clunky, because they're designed for people who care more about making it easy to push the big buttons than about having the phone be really small. I don't know how the battery life is - my mom hasn't had problems with it, so I suspect standby time is pretty good, but she doesn't talk on the phone much. One advantage of a larger phone is that there's room for a larger battery.


    It might or might not be the right phone for your mom - does she want a phone that's small, or is clunky ok? Does she want GSM so she can use it anywhere in the world, or is having one US-only carrier ok? Does she want a "simple" phone because it's harder to use fancier phones, or does she really just want a *cheap* phone that works ok and can ignore menu items she doesn't use? There are lots of choices for cheap - getting a used unlocked GSM phone may be a good choice, or getting whatever rate plan is the best price for the amount of calling she'll do and includes a zero-price phone.

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    1. Re:Jitterbug is great if that's what you want by Richthofen80 · · Score: 4, Informative

      You make good points in the last paragraph, about used phones. When I first got a Digital/Analog handset in 1997, I had one of the classic Nokia 5100 models. It had an LCD display with big numbers. It had a long battery life and was incredibly rugged. It had big, tactile buttons and a strong backlight. It might be exactly what an older person needs. Most older people don't use the address book, instead they have most numbers memorized (or for older women, they carry a phone number journal in their purse). My mom, whose not quite as old (50s), always ended up getting the last-years model phone because it was easier to use (less features) and cheaper.

      I, on the other hand, am willing to live with a small learning curve if it means the device is sleek and glyph-erific like my iPhone

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    2. Re:Jitterbug is great if that's what you want by Zapped.Info · · Score: 1

      The Jitterbug sounds great for the elderly, my Mom 74 in a few days, I wonder if I can get one in time...thanks for the info.

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    3. Re:Jitterbug is great if that's what you want by Zapped.Info · · Score: 3, Informative

      OOOPS...I just checked with "Jitterbug" You CANNOT just purchase the phone: You've got to purchase their service as well and from what I could see on thier website, the pricing did not seem very competitive. They basically piggy-back on existing carriers to provide their service, so they're never going to be able to compete by price point. So we are back to square one...Where can you just find an UNLOCKED PHONE? Seems to me like theree is quite a huge market for unlocked phones. Are there any companies taking advantage of that yet?

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    4. Re:Jitterbug is great if that's what you want by Rick17JJ · · Score: 1

      Earlier today, I just happened to be looking at the Jitterbug cell phone in the firstStreet catalogue. I don't know much about the Jitterbug, but I have occasionally thought about getting a simpler cell phone for myself. I only use the most basic features on a cell phone. I don't do text messaging because I don't have any friends or relatives who use that feature and have no one to text with. I don't take pictures with my cell phone when I am hiking because, I generally don't take my reading glasses with me when doing my daily hike for exercise, so I can't read what is on the display well enough to perform that task. I don't look up phone numbers on my cell phone, because I have already memorized the phone numbers of the few people that I do call. I only make about one outgoing call a month on my cell phone which is barely often enough to remember how to use the most basic features. However, I do receive about one call a week and have no trouble remembering how to answer the phone.

      My cell phone apparently has a built in answering machine, but I have never known the pin number or whatever is needed to access the phone messages, so I have never checked my phone messages. I mostly keep the cell phone with me in case I break a leg while hiking or get bitten by a rattle snake, or in case my truck breaks down or in case I need to call 911. I have yet to actually use it for that purpose.

      I am not totally incompetent with electronic equipment though, because over the years I have built several of my own computers and installed Linux on each of them. I have also installed and secured both the wired and wireless portions of my home network. I have a General class ham radio license and know Morse code. Someday I will tackle the more difficult challenge of learning to properly use a cell phone. Either that or perhaps I might possible just get the Jitterbug or something like that.

      firstStreet has the Jitterbug

    5. Re:Jitterbug is great if that's what you want by geekoid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Currently, many of the large companies are unsure how having unlocked phones will impact there current business practice of getting you to sign a contract. Since a contract is general as good as money in the bank they can book it as potential revenue and their budgeting is easier to do.
      So the companies are afraid of change.
      I do believe it will happen. If they don't fill the market, someone will.
      I hope it is Steve Jobs plan to change the industries way of thinking with future iPhone negotiations. It general fits his MO.

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    6. Re:Jitterbug is great if that's what you want by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      It had big, tactile buttons and a strong backlight.

      Speaking of backlights, you shouldn't need one under good lighting conditions. It should be as easy to read as a book. Like a book, it should only need a light when it's dark. My phone is like that, plus it has a nice big analog clock, much easier to read than a digital, and I don't have to push any buttons to see the display. However it's five years old. I'll never see a new one like that.

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    7. Re:Jitterbug is great if that's what you want by billstewart · · Score: 1
      Their price-competitiveness depends on what you're using the phone for. If you just need an emergency phone, it's really cheap, and if you don't make a lot of calls it's not bad - you can find cheaper competition, but it's within the not-too-annoying range. My mom makes 1-2 calls a day, generally not very long, and their plans work reasonably well for her.


      If you _do_ make a lot of calls, you can probably find a better deal. On the other hand, if you do a lot of calling, and your vision's good enough to read the screens on a cheap cellphone, it's probably worthwhile to shop around, find a phone you can tolerate, invest half an hour in reading the manual and just ignore the features you don't use.

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    8. Re:Jitterbug is great if that's what you want by CaptainZapp · · Score: 1

      Currently, many of the large companies are unsure how having unlocked phones will impact there current business practice of getting you to sign a contract. Since a contract is general as good as money in the bank they can book it as potential revenue and their budgeting is easier to do. That doesn't make sense at all (granted, there doesn't seem to be much sense in the US cell phone business). When I sign a contract anyway then why lock my phone? I'm anyway stuck with the contract for its duration.

      Usually phones in here around are only SIM locked on very cheap pre-payed deals.

      I guess that customers just wouldn't accept this. As they wouldn't accept crippled bluetooth stacks, or other such silly stunts, which US carriers seem so fond of pulling off.

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    9. Re:Jitterbug is great if that's what you want by Brickwall · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have a fairly new Nokia which came with a lot of bells and whistles - camera, MP3, FM radio - which I don't use. Since I'd been with the same carrier for three years, they offered me the phone for free if I signed on for another two years. My big beef is even though the screen is quite large, you can't adjust the font size, and the font is just too small for my aging eyes to read. I only need glasses to read small print, so using the phone often means fumbling in my jacket for my glasses' case, putting them on, and then doing whatever it was I wanted. I would gladly give up the MP3 and radio and camera if they would just let me make the font 12 pts instead of 8.

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    10. Re:Jitterbug is great if that's what you want by jamar0303 · · Score: 1

      "My cell phone apparently has a built in answering machine, but I have never known the pin number or whatever is needed to access the phone messages, so I have never checked my phone messages."

      On my phone (Toshiba), at least, it requires no PIN. I go to Settings->Call Settings->Answerphone->Recordings to access the messages that have been left for me.

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    11. Re:Jitterbug is great if that's what you want by Mozk · · Score: 1

      Hmm... that's too many menus to go through just to access messages. IMO a good GUI would have it available in two clicks/selections at most.

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    12. Re:Jitterbug is great if that's what you want by Zen · · Score: 1

      Go to any one-off cell phone store in the states (not a chain store) and just ask them. Chances are extremely good that they have some on hand, and have an 'arrangement' for special requests. Can't speak for Jitterbug specifically.

      There are also some websites dedicated to giving you the codes for the common phones, with some free and some for pay. It took me a whole five minutes to get the unlock code for my old Nokia.

    13. Re:Jitterbug is great if that's what you want by nasch · · Score: 1

      My AT&T/Cingular/AT&T phones have had a speed-dial preset for voicemail. Hold down 1 for a couple of seconds and you're there, without entering a PIN. I don't know if other carriers do something similar.

    14. Re:Jitterbug is great if that's what you want by ottothecow · · Score: 1
      every phone I have ever used (at least enough to see someone check voicemail or check it myself) has used this convention.

      I am sure there are exceptions but speed dial 1 is almost always voicemail

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    15. Re:Jitterbug is great if that's what you want by jamar0303 · · Score: 1

      Mine *should* do that too, but when I try it won't connect the call- I get the tones and "your call could not be completed as dialed". The menu sequence I described was for the phone's internal answering machine (saves messages to my miniSD card) since I can't get my AT&T voicemail set up.

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    16. Re:Jitterbug is great if that's what you want by nasch · · Score: 1

      Does "can't" mean you haven't called AT&T and insisted that they fix it, or does it mean they refuse to fix it? Many people seem to hate the company with a burning passion, but I've had very good customer service from them so far.

    17. Re:Jitterbug is great if that's what you want by jamar0303 · · Score: 1

      Well, I know what my voicemail number should be, it's just that my phone's software refuses to change it from the default "1416", which is the voicemail access number used on its original carrier, Vodafone.

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    18. Re:Jitterbug is great if that's what you want by jimicus · · Score: 1

      I believe the Carphone Warehouse was talking about making moves into the US.

      Here in the UK (and much of Europe) they're a network-independent retailer who is quite happy to sell you a handset at the full, un-subsidised price and you either buy a SIM card separately or use an existing one. Alternatively, they have agreements with every major network to retail phones connected to those networks. I'm rather surprised to hear US people talking as if no such business exists over there.

  88. T-Mobile To Go + Nokia 6030 by Mean+Variance · · Score: 1
    If you are in an area with decent T-Mobile coverage, their prepaid is great for light/moderate use. The Nokia 6030 is cheap and easy to use, long battery life. Even better, Target occasionally runs a promotion where they give it away with a $100 (1000 minutes good for 1 year) card. I just bought one of those to get the spare battery for my wife's 6030.

    Nokia 6030

    Their customer service is helpful and friendly. They don't treat me like a lowlife for not subscribing to one of their premium subscriptions. Just a few days ago I called asking if I can have a new number for my recent move (change of area code). Piece of cake.

    I love T-Mobile prepaid. I have it, my wife has it, my parents are converted (from Cingular family plan with gobs of unused minutes).

  89. Ditto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nokia 2125i has exact same cost and the best part is no stress if i drop it or misplace it.

    it comes with a byuilt in LED flashlight which made me laugh but has proved to be very handy.

  90. Did I write this? by ifdef · · Score: 1

    (checks submitter's name) No, it was somebody else. Which is totally weird, because that's EXACTLY the situation that I'm dealing with -- a technologically challenged mother who wants "JUST a cell phone, not a camera, not an MP3 player, just a cell phone."

    The solution I'm in the process of trying is to get an old GSM phone. Actually when I explained the situation, TWO of my co-workers came to me, offering to GIVE me old ones of theirs. One of them had previously been on a Rogers pay-as-you-go plan, and the phone was simply no longer in use. I bought that phone from my co-worker for a "nominal sum", but I haven't arranged to get a new SIM for it yet -- maybe I'll do that tonight. The other one is on a Telus monthly plan, and the co-worker would gladly give me the phone if I took over the plan, so he wouldn't have to pay the cancellation charges.

    I do wonder, though, whether there is a market for SIMPLE versions of devices (like cell phones), with no fancy features, yet of reasonably good quality. It's not that my mom wants fewer features in order to shave every last penny off of the price. She presumably wants a phone with good audio quality, good battery life, etc., but without the things that have nothing to do with talking on the phone. Well, actually, there obviously IS a market like that, the question is why there are no manufacturers selling to that market. Maybe it isn't a large enough market?

    1. Re:Did I write this? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Small market, and phones with those features aren't really a burdens, you just don't use them.

      Also, the Cell companies have been pushing phones with new features for years, because the more features, the more you can nickel and dime people.
      They had a hard time getting consumers , in the US, to want those new features. In the last 3-4 years the US demand for those features has really taken off.

      I went and fiddled around with an iPhoe this weekend. My nine year old son was able to make a call , take a picture, and look at youtube. The only thing I told him was "Look at the icons to see what it can do". He has oly used a cell phone once or twice in his life so far.

      My point being: More features does not have to be complex or intimidating.

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  91. Virgin Mobile or T-Mobile - Virgin preferred by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have used both Virgin Mobile and T-Mobile pay-as-you-go phones.

    I prefer the Virgin mobile setup - they have better phones (I reccomend the clamshell type so it will not get turned on in-purse) and the cheap ones have few features. I fyou are willing to tie a credit card to the account the service costs as little as $15 every three(!) months, with unused dollars rolling over, not sure how long for. It's $.25 cents the first minute and $.10 thereafter.

    T-Mobile is best if you prepay for a year of service, for $100. Then all calls are just $.10, and all additions to funds are $.10 per minute. That $100 does expire at the end of the year. If she makes more calls (even if, or especially if, short ones), the T-Mobile plan might be better because of the flatter per-minute fee.

    I personally have an iPhone now and love it, but my partner hardly uses a phone so she has the Virgin Mobile still and that continues to be a good solution for a second phone that's more for occasional use.

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    1. Re:Virgin Mobile or T-Mobile - Virgin preferred by Larry+Lightbulb · · Score: 1

      With the T-Mobile pay-as-you-go plan I have, minutes that are about to expire can be revived by buying some more.

    2. Re:Virgin Mobile or T-Mobile - Virgin preferred by Bitmanhome · · Score: 1

      I just got Virgin, they don't have that plan any more. Your options are:

      $0 per month + 18 cents per minute
      $7 per month + 10 cents per minute
      Regular monthly plans

      The zero dollar plan is cheaper under 90 minutes per month, above which the $7 plan is usually best. The regular monthly plans work out to about 10 cents per minute, but overages are WAY MORE than 10 cents per minute.

      As a bonus, if you can choke down a few ads a day, you can get free minutes.

      I like the "Slice"; my mom likes the built-in flashlight on the K10. Both are very cheap.

      The big disadvantage is grossly overpriced wallpaper and ringtones, and you can't create your own.

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  92. Bluetooth can suck power; USB power wins by billstewart · · Score: 1
    I've got a recent Nokia phone, and I've been surprised by how fast it sucks power when Bluetooth is turned on (and if you don't want to use Bluetooth, you need a stupid Nokia-proprietary connector headset instead of a standard 2.5mm jack, and there are various other Nokia annoyances, as opposed to Motorola annoyances.)


    But USB chargers really win, at least if you're a computer person (which the article's author's mom might not be.) I picked up a car charger thats a 12v-to-USB adapter with a USB-to-Nokia cable, so I can use the same cable with my laptop as well as in my car, and if I'm on business travel, I've always got the laptop with me so all I need is the cable.

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  93. Just a phone, battery life of about a week... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've a little Motorola number. I forget *which* number, but it's the one with speaker-phone and no camera (I paid a good $20 for the lack of camera). It says it's "browser ready" and "mp3 ready" whatever that means, but I've not used it for either. My plan's through T-Mobile, the 400 minute "My Faves" plan, which is a lame way of saying I get free calls to 5 numbers, plus 400 minutes outside that, which is more than I ever use.

    In my experience, T-Mobile coverage is either good or nonexistent, so your mileage may very, but I'm quite pleased.

  94. Ah, spoiled youth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    $40 a month, plus the taxes and fees... so your cheap and easy plan costs $45 per month for a retired person just to have an emergency phone.

    That is spoken, truly like a man who does not pay the bills. No offense.

    The other suggestions are to buy a pay-as-you-go phone which costs $12/month. Explain why your methods is better. Seriously.

    1. Re:Ah, spoiled youth by TrappedByMyself · · Score: 1

      That is spoken, truly like a man who does not pay the bills. No offense.

      Well, I'm in my mid 30's and pay my own bills, so I'm not really sure what you're talking about.

      If you read the posted story it includes the following:
      "I am looking around for a cell phone for my technically challenged mother and all she wants is just a phone, and yet there seem to be no carriers in the US that carry a plain cell phone with good reception and battery life. All of them bundle cameras, PDAs, MP3 players, and a kitchen sink with a battery life of 2 hours, all for the low price of $350 or more... "

      If you apply some reading comprehension, you see that the poster was complaining that there seem to be no carriers which offer a simple phone at a low price (not $350 or more). I, in turn, posted that I went to the website of one of the major carriers and found exactly that, a simple phone which is *FREE* (not $350) with a two year service agreement. And just to clarify, the poster was complaining about the prices of the phones themselves, not the monthly plan prices.

      The other suggestions are to buy a pay-as-you-go phone which costs $12/month. Explain why your methods is better. Seriously.

      Well, again, with the application of reading comprehension, the poster made an incorrect statement, and I responded. There was no intention in my post of comparing the answer I found with any of the answers that others have found.

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  95. Motorola C139 - $20 by drew_92123 · · Score: 1

    You can get one at Wallmart or where ever you can find Go Phones... It's small and cheap, has excellent battery life and no frills... I charge mine every other day and manage 30 minutes of talk time a day on it.

    The only thing wrong with mine is the battery meter, it isn't terribly accurate.... but I really don't mind because I know I can go 2-3 days between charges...

    It's a good simple phone, and that's all it is. I wish my blackberry worked half as well... lol

  96. MOT v195s by Tiro · · Score: 1

    Try the Motorola v195s. No camera. Long battery life. T-Mobile [they allow one year contracts and are less inclined to hand over your data to feds].

  97. Motorola L2 by isomeme · · Score: 1

    The Motorola L2 might be close to what you want. No camera, no mp3 player. It does do bluetooth and USB synching to a few simple PDA apps, but you can safely ignore those. And it's cheap; I got mine deeply discounted as part of my Cingular renewal, but I believe the list price was around $150.

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  98. Sanyo Model: SCP-2230 by Dan_Bercell · · Score: 1

    Not sure if you can get this in the states but Bell sells them in Canada. It has text messaging, however I do not think its possible to get a phone without it these days.

    It works good, doest have music or a phone and the Internet can be disabled.

    1. Re:Sanyo Model: SCP-2230 by bombshelter13 · · Score: 1

      I heard that a big computer company everyone really likes just came out with a phone without it just the other day.

  99. About importing.... by failedlogic · · Score: 1

    Since much of the subject here is about importing, is there any luck in using a Japanese-market phone in the US/Canada (I'm in Canada)? I'm up for a contract renewal and a new phone. A friend came back from Japan last year and showed me the phone she used. Its still 2 years ahead on what's in the market here. The battery lasted longer, the camera had awesome res, and LED flashlight and tons of bells.

    Someone mentionned GPS/e911 service as one hindrance. Any other pitfalls or reasons I could not use it?

  100. http://www.consumercellular.com/ by chiefmojorising · · Score: 1

    Cheap phones, no contract. I've got no complaints, been using them for a couple years now.

    1. Re:http://www.consumercellular.com/ by Paracelcus · · Score: 1

      I use them too, they cater to the senior market.

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  101. But you can't get just a Sim Card in the US by PetoskeyGuy · · Score: 1

    Something to consider if you get just do end up getting just a phone, you'll have a tough time getting just a sim card.

    I've been unable to get just a sim card from any phone company in my area. The only solution I've been offered from phone companies in my area is to buy various no-contract phones, pull the card and throw the phone away or sell it. It's a bunch of crap, I know they have stacks of cards back there, they just don't have a "process" in place to sell me one.

    1. Re:But you can't get just a Sim Card in the US by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Informative

      They are wanting to sell you a phone. Complain to the FCC or local utilities commission. Start locally first (usually state), You will be surprised at what is possible even though they said it couldn't be done when someone who regulates their ability to operate in the area asks for a reason why it is that way.

      I'm not big on big government, But dammit, use what is already there before someone demands something more. I have seen people get $400 cell phone bills erased when they got screwed and followed that advice. I have also seen some companies pay to switch people to another network for other reasons. It is there for you, your paying for it already, use it.

    2. Re:But you can't get just a Sim Card in the US by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      That's odd. I'm quite sure that T-Mobile will hook you up with just a SIM card for your existing phone; I've known quite a few people who have done it to get data plans for PCMCIA 3G interfaces.

      The problem I've run into, and it's not just with T-Mobile, it happens with the other carriers too, is that there are two very distinct types of stores you can go into. One kind is the "corporate" store, it's actually run by T-Mobile (or Verizon, or AT&T, or whatever). Their employees are telco employees. The other kind of store is an independent or chain franchise store, and they're (IMO) usually much shadier. Sometimes it can be nice to go to one of them if you're not sure which network you want to go with, because sometimes they'll have relationships with more than one, but most of the time they just try to seem like a "T-Mobile store," but in reality they're a weird sort of front, making money by reselling T-Mobile plans and phones. The franchise/non-corporate stores seem to be much more interested in pushing contract signups and "free" phones, because I assume they get some major kickback for each new mark.

      I've had good luck walking into the real (corporate) T-Mobile stores, after doing research on the web so that I know exactly what I want, and then just telling the employees to do it for me. So far, nobody's argued; I've done some pretty weird stuff, like signing up for CSD service (which isn't officially offered, and now I think it really is impossible to get), had the subsidy lock removed, etc. All by basically walking in and knowing the right words to say to the person at the store, so that they would repeat them to someone at Secret T-Mobile HQ, and they would punch the right keys to make things happen. It helps if you look at it as a social-engineering problem.

      Only thing that it might require is telling them that you're using the SIM in some sort of data or other exotic device. Be vague. (Or lie. God never sent anyone to hell for lying to a salesperson.) There are lots of pieces of equipment out there that are cellular-based and use GSM (GPS tracking beacons, laptops with built-in cellular from Asia, etc.); if some retail drone is giving you shit because they're hoping to sucker you into a contract (and earn them some sort of sales incentive, no doubt), just push a bit higher up the ladder. If you know the lingo and know what you want, you'll get it.

      It wouldn't surprise me if Cingular/AT&T is more asshattish about doing things in anything except "their way," but that's AT&T for you.

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    3. Re:But you can't get just a Sim Card in the US by PetoskeyGuy · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the advice. I'll have to try one of the corporate stores. I live in a town of about 5,000 people and there are no corporate stores here, only reseller after reseller. T-Mobile won't even let me purchase a phone with contract because it would be roaming full time where I live. Next time I go down state I'll see what I can do to pick up a SIM card direct from a "real" store. :)

  102. TracFone GOOD! by Peyre · · Score: 1

    My experience is the same as yours. If your mother won't be using it very much, Tracfone is the way to go. You end up paying about $1 a minute ($2/min roaming), less if you buy minutes in bulk, and your minutes don't expire if you don't use them. In fact, even if your plan expires (you have to buy at least 10 units/month) but you have minutes unused, you keep them when you reactivate. My only real complaint is that the phone doesn't warn you when your plan is about to expire. It does show the expiration date on the front, but it doesn't beep at you or anything when that date is coming near. So I've expired twice and had to renew. The last time they told me my phone was no longer supported, but they shipped me a new phone at no charge, and even included a postage-paid envelope to return my old one.

  103. Get a pay-as-you-go Nokia 1500 from net10 by Kiralan · · Score: 1

    I have been very pleased with the Nokia 1500, which is available at Sam's or Wal-mart. It will run you about $30.00(US). This is for the phone, charger, manual, and includes a 2-month/300 minute credit. Very basic Nokia 1500 phone, with excellent signal strength. It does use a SIM, so you can 'upgrade' to another model.

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  104. Letstalk.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I got 2 phones last week from http://letstalk.com/. Great company and almost all the phones are free if you get the 2 year service.

  105. Battery life is only an issue if you use features by syousef · · Score: 1

    So buy your mother a fantastic phone, tell her to live without playing MP3s or taking lots of happy snaps, and problem solved. She really only needs to be able to get back to the root menu and use the handful of features she wants. As for battery life...well I typically get 4-5 days out of a charge of my Nokia N70, but that's with quite light phone use, and the only features I use regularly besides phone and SMS are calendar alarms. Hell I have a demo version of Doom installed and that chews battery, but who wants to play a 10 year old shooter on a tiny screen with tiny unusable keys when you've got porky fingers like mine. Also I own an iPod so why would I want to use the phone to play MP3s (unless it's all I have with me, and when I do I typically don't have a headset with me)?

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  106. Here are some links (no affiliation) by Wabbit+Wabbit · · Score: 1

    You can find several inexpensive unlocked GSM phones at http://myworldphone.com/

    They are a reputable dealer as per a couple of well-known cellphone forums (you might want to poke around the forums a little, and maybe even ask the question there):

    http://esato.com/
    http://howardforums.com/

    As stated in the title, I have no affiliation with any of these sites.

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  107. So much FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is so very much FUD involved in this question. Yes, you might have a problem finding just a plain phone now, but I have a w300i with a camera I never use. I do play mp3's on it, but I don't have to. If I am listening to mp3's at work for eight hours, I still have about 60% battery life. I am sure you can get a cheap phone with a contract that will work just fine as a phone, even if it has a camera you will never use.

  108. F3c from indonesia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want a Motorola Motofone in the US, i.e. the CDMA F3c model... as far as I know the only place to get one is www.paketelor.com, costing about US$50 plus postage to the US (not sure how much).

    I had one sent to the UK to give as a gift to a US friend. Should arrive 2moro.

  109. Um did you even bother to look around or read? by greymond · · Score: 1

    I just went to the verizon wireless website and see tons of phones that are $9.99 when you sign up. I don't know if they have a camera or mp3 player on them, but who cares if they do?

  110. Pay as you go phones by Ironpoint · · Score: 1

    You can buy a pay as you go phone and use it with regular service. These cost under $40. Of course the cell store won't tell you this and won't display these phones other than 'pay as you go'.

  111. Sony-Ericcson Z300A by defl8ed · · Score: 1

    It seems to be just about the simplest phone out there - Details here: http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=us&lc=en&ve r=4000&template=pip1&zone=pp&pid=10350 You can get a refurbed one on the Cingular website for $9.99 with one of their pay as you go plans. Don't know how much simpler you can get than that.

  112. Cell Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I saw a commercial for a cell service called Jitterbug made by Samsung i think. If this cell phone is for your mom it might be just what you need. Try googling it.

  113. Simpliest the Store has to offer too good for you? by Rogue974 · · Score: 1

    What...you want a phone other than what they provide you in the store. This can not be. Have the telco's not TOLD you what kind of phone you want. Repeat after me: In Soviet United States, Telcos tell you what to buy...ummm...wait...I htink I messed that up. Seriously, I hate to admit, but I use Verizon and they had some simple phones. Not nearly as simple as you want, but some without too many options. I needed one without a camera. I am a contracor and many customers limit all phones for liability reason so I needed one without. Walked in and said, I need a phone without a camera. The guy said, you can choose from these 3 and showed me the 3 basic ones in the far side of the case. It still has calendars, and contact lists and a bunch of basic functions. Battery Life is decent and it costs me nothing when I purchased a basic 2 year contract. That is the smallest amount of effort option, go with the simplest and cheapest the store has to offer or you have to make sure it is compatible with your network when you purchase it and the like.

  114. Cellphone for seniors by ardlur · · Score: 1

    I just saw and add in the AARP new bulletin about a phone called Jitterbug by Greatcall that is really simple to operate and can be used on many cellphone networks. I have never seen one or know of anyone who as used it, but it is worth looking at. If you go to aarp.com and select the current bulletin at the top of the page and look for reference to cellphone in the search box it tells all the info and will lead you to Greatcall.

  115. Motorola V195s with T-Mobile MyFaves plan by saintory · · Score: 1

    I am a techie and like the latest and greatest toys, however for my phone I want it simple. All I want to do is make phone calls with it. No cameras, MP3 players, no frills really.

    Since I liked the quality of customer and phone service that T-Mobile offered, I looked at their phones. I came across the Motorola V195s.

    Simple phone, has a nice color screen, and is very inexpensive. Best of all, it works with a MyFaves plan so the top 5 people I call all the time (mobile or landline) are unlimited talk-times. Since this phone is also a Quad Band phone, it can be used in all four available world-wide frequencies, including the recently released 850MHz band (previously analog, I believe, and in a lot of rural areas). Check out their coverage map and see if your Mom can get one where she lives.

    Good luck!

  116. The 20 Dollar Go Phone by atlaz · · Score: 0

    if you have a sim card from your provider, go down to Best Buy and get a "Go Phone" (pay as you go). They have a motorola for 20 bucks, that two of my friends got when they lost their expensive razors.

    Yes. 20 dollars. A phone you can lose and not care that much about. Finally. It's about time.

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    1. Re:The 20 Dollar Go Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when they lost their expensive razors

      Is that a euphemism for being robbed or do people really care so little about expensive items these days that they lose them.

    2. Re:The 20 Dollar Go Phone by atlaz · · Score: 0

      nope... they actually lost them. one left at the gym, one dropped out of pocket. dunno how it happened, but one week we all had em and now it's only me.

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  117. Jitterbug - the phone for "Boomers and Beyond by Animats · · Score: 1

    Jitterbug, "the phone for boomers and beyond", is exactly that. They offer two models, Dumb and Dumber. The Dumb model has a big numeric keypad. They couldn't resist putting in a display, though. The Dumber model has no numeric keys, just three huge buttons: "Operator", "Tow" (or some other preselected legend), and "911". The phone produces a "comforting dial tone".

    They couldn't resist including menus, arrow keys, voicemail, a phone book, and a recent call list, either. But not GPS tracking, which might make sense given the target market.

    The phone book is preloaded when the phone is ordered. Updating it thereafter can be done by fax (!), live operator assistance, or a web site, but not from the phone itself.

  118. Cheapo LG Phone on Verizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2 years ago I got the cheapest phone that verizon had in their store. it was 20 bucks, yes, just 20 bucks, it's just a flip phone, it has _nothing_ else. I had to get it replaced under warranty (it dropped hard) and they still had them in the store, the price mighta been higher, maybe 40 bucks. Actually now that I think about it, it mighta been 20 bucks without service, but I think I got it free when I signed up for service, so I suggest going into the various carriers' stores and asking what phone you get for free when you sign up for service, more likely than not, that phone will be just a phone.

    1. Re:Cheapo LG Phone on Verizon by nuckin+futs · · Score: 1

      i'm sorry, but cheap and verizon should not be in the same sentence. even their friggin prepay service is expensive.

  119. M3 Motomanual by mikael · · Score: 1

    My folks have one of these phones. It's a compact mini phone capable of handling SMS texts, a phonebook,
    speed dialing, voice mail, alarms and ring tones.

    The commands are no less complex than any other phone. The manual is still around 14 pages long
    (8 pages to one A4 sheet of paper). The only difference is the price/maintenance . Maybe this is due to
    the display. Also over here, it's a pay-as-you-go card with a top up card.

    I think this phone would benefit with a colour display - being able to choose black on white rather than orange on grey
    would be an improvement on readability.

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  120. Did YOU really look? by subl33t · · Score: 2, Informative

    From http://www.mobiledia.com/phones/lg/vx3400.html:
    "The VX3400 showcases useful features including voice memo recorder, personal organizer, EZ Tip calculator, ..."

    Doesn't sound like 'just a cell phone' to me.

    That search took all of 2 minutes, now you and all the imbeciles who modded you insightful can go take some reading comprehension classes or something.

  121. RTFA, friend. by argent · · Score: 1

    Um did you even bother to look around or read?

    Did you? One of the main issues was battery life, another complexity.

    I don't know if they have a camera or mp3 player on them, but who cares if they do?

    Someone looking for better battery life and less complexity.

    1. Re:RTFA, friend. by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Then don't use those features.

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  122. Nokia 6030 is teh suck by weston · · Score: 1

    I recently bought one to replace a phone I inadvertantly smashed. My observation is that the "automatic" volume control doesn't work, there's very limited means to control it manually, and the fused-faceplate design of the menu buttons means you're constantly pushing one of the buttons you don't mean to. The chrome is also wearing off rather quickly for a very recent purchase. Couldn't recommend it, wouldn't buy one again unless I was desperate.

    1. Re:Nokia 6030 is teh suck by queequeg1 · · Score: 1

      Did you get the same phone they are now selling as the 6030? I got in on this deal a couple of years ago and have had great luck with my phone. However, it is also apparent that they are selling a completely different phone using the same model number. Again, my light use may also be a factor.

    2. Re:Nokia 6030 is teh suck by weston · · Score: 1

      I think since it's only been a matter of weeks, it's safe to say I've got whatever they're selling right now.

    3. Re:Nokia 6030 is teh suck by Mr.Radar · · Score: 1

      I've had the exact opposite experience with my month-old 6030. It's a fantastic basic phone for what I paid for it ($40). The signal signal strength is very good (it's consistently was much better than my dad's Samsung flip phone) and I usually get a least a week out of the battery before it needs to be recharged (granted I hardly talk on it, so YMMV). Voice quality is okay: not bad but not that great either. The phone seems very sturdy and the finish on mine still looks brand new even though I've had it in my pants pocket nearly constantly. My only complaints are that the interface is noticeably laggy (especially the main menu), the phone itself is a bit big, the FM radio is only mono, and the screen is impossible to read without the backlight, but those are more minor annoyances in an otherwise good product.

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  123. I want one of those! by massysett · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Jitterbug! Looks like just the ticket.

    * No camera. I do not want something that takes crappy photos. If I want a camera I will buy a camera. Putting a camera in a phone is about as good an idea as putting a phone in a camera.

    * Few buttons. Cell phones have too many buttons.

    * Simple. Too many cell phones try to be cool rather than useful.

    * Simple menus. My phone has too many menu choices full of crap that I do not use, and figuring out how to do simple things like add a name to the phone list is too hard.

    Cell phone makers are cramming crap into phones that is not useful for making calls.

    I do remember reading something in the WSJ about Sprint developing a simple phone that they would market to older people; I don't know if this is the result. Older folks aren't the only ones who would like it though. As someone who often sits in front of computers all day I get tired of gadgets that want to make things too complicated.

    1. Re:I want one of those! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      all she wants is just a phone
      And people in hell want ice water.

      I want an operating system that's not running surveillance on me. I want a car that has better gas mileage than a 1975 Honda. I want a health care system that won't send me into bankruptcy if I get sick. I want a news media that doesn't just pass along presidential press releases as God's own truth. I want a President that has better than C- average and who cares about more than cutting taxes for the rich and not admitting he's wrong. I want a country that doesn't believe that half the population is the enemy.

      But like your mom, tonight I'd settle for "just a phone". But the big phone companies aren't going to give it to us because the "free market" is fiction and we have become the consumables.
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    2. Re:I want one of those! by dosquatch · · Score: 1

      * No camera. I do not want something that takes crappy photos. If I want a camera I will buy a camera. Putting a camera in a phone is about as good an idea as putting a phone in a camera.

      I always have my phone with me. I only have my camera with me if I know I'm going to a place/event that I will want to photograph. I said the same thing about cameraphones, right up until I had to take some pictures in a pinch of a traffic accident in which I was involved.

      As it turns out, those "crappy" pictures were much more useful than the "no pictures at all" I would've been able to take without the cameraphone.

      Or, as my shutterbug friend said, ANY camera you have with you is better than the snazzy rig still sitting at home.

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    3. Re:I want one of those! by somethinghollow · · Score: 1

      Motorola has one. I just don't know where it can be purchased in the USA.

    4. Re:I want one of those! by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 1

      Since when is off-topic ranting interesting?

      Too bad you're wrong. You're more than welcome to buy a GSM phone unlocked and put a sim card in it. Then you can use it on any network which is gsm. There are a few in the US. But I suppose you would complain that you can't use Sprint.

    5. Re:I want one of those! by thethibs · · Score: 1

      That's why I always have a real camera in my pocket. Canon, 6mpx, 3:1 zoom, image stab, and smaller than a pack of Camels. It replaces my similarly-sized Olympus A-10 film camera. When you need a picture, you want a camera, not a web-cam.

      As to 'just-a-phone', the Samsung A-6xx line has other stuff, but it's not intrusive and if you stay off the Menu button, the thing behaves like just-a-phone. Nice display, good keyboard and big numbers.

      Just-a-phone, just-a-camera, just-a-PDA, just-a-computer...I have lots of pockets, no compromises, and life is good.

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    6. Re:I want one of those! by davidsyes · · Score: 5, Funny

      "And people in hell want ice water."

      No, trust me. They don't. Water turns to steam, and steam is hotter than water. And steam in hell would be hellishly hellier than unholy hell.

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    7. Re:I want one of those! by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      I want a car that has better gas mileage than a 1975 Honda

      Good luck. That car weighs half what your current one does and got 35hp. The current one gets 35hp and over 100hp - thermodynamics is a bitch.

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    8. Re:I want one of those! by sjf · · Score: 2, Informative

      Motorola has plenty: C139 for instance. $20 in the major electronic retailers with a $10 airtime credit. Small, simple, clear display, so cheap it's practically disposable. I don't think the OP has tried looking very hard.

    9. Re:I want one of those! by br14n420 · · Score: 1

      There have also been multiple revisions to the way the mpg is tested, so it's not very fair to compare door stickers.

      You can make cars from the 60's-70's appear to have gobs more power per liter using old standards, too, which take the transmission, driveshaft, rear end, and tires out of the figures since power was measured at the crank and not the tires.

    10. Re:I want one of those! by cecil_turtle · · Score: 1

      Published HP ratings for cars are still measured at the crank; I'm not sure what your point was. Go to a chassis dyno and you'll typically only get 70-80% of the published horsepower for a vehicle. Maybe the MPG ratings have changed, I don't know anything about that.

    11. Re:I want one of those! by camperdave · · Score: 3, Funny

      The way some people drive, the crank is behind the steering wheel, not part of the drive train.

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    12. Re:I want one of those! by Bombula · · Score: 1

      Reading through the rest of this thread, I don't see people rally discussing the bigger issue of why you can't get every phone in the US market. Obviously there are some phones that won't work because they don't run on the 900/1800 mhz frequencies that the US uses, but how can Motorola - an American company - make phones that aren't available in the US? In a 'free' market how does that make any sense?

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    13. Re:I want one of those! by br14n420 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you are right. I was thinking sae took it from the tires, but it's the flywheel. There was a change in the 70s regarding this, but I don't recall the details obviously. Just 300hp car by one standard wasn't a 300hp car by the preceding one.

    14. Re:I want one of those! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zing! ;-)

    15. Re:I want one of those! by tsa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes it does. They make more money this way. Why give the consumer what he wants if you can squeeze more money out of him by only selling expensive stuff? A mobile phone is a bare necessity for most people nowadays, so they will pay for it whatever the cost.

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    16. Re:I want one of those! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the first, switch to OpenBSD or Linux.

      For the rest, move out of the US to some ("medieval", "communist") country in Western Europe or so - although Eurpoe is very busy trying to imitate the US on all accounts you mentioned. I don't think it will take more than a decennium for them to catch up to where the US are now - but in the mean time, the US will probably not stand still either, so Europe may still be a better place to live.

      And yeah, leave your 1975 Honda where it is and buy a new car when you arrive.

    17. Re:I want one of those! by bfischer · · Score: 1

      We don't inherit the Earth from our parents. We borrow it from our children.

      Sorry, nope. I was here first and I have no kids.

    18. Re:I want one of those! by alman · · Score: 5, Funny

      Come to Canada, we have all this stuff

      I want an operating system that's not running surveillance on me.
      There is this thing we like to call OpenBSD, give it a shot.

      I want a car that has better gas mileage than a 1975 Honda.
      We got these, see half the time your car would be frozen so you can't use it, really cuts down on the yearly mileage.

      I want a health care system that won't send me into bankruptcy if I get sick.
      It doesn't bankrupt you if you get sick, it bankrupts yous all the time, if you happen to get sick, it will mostly cure you!

      I want a news media that doesn't just pass along presidential press releases as God's own truth.
      No president, we have a Prime Minister!

      I want a President that has better than C- average and who cares about more than cutting taxes for the rich and not admitting he's wrong.
      Weren't you paying attention? I said we don't have a President, we have a Prime Minister

      I want a country that doesn't believe that half the population is the enemy.
      But girls have cooties!!....er.... I think that's just me......Have you seen our army? We are in no position to have an enemy!

      Problem solved!

    19. Re:I want one of those! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      In a 'free' market how does that make any sense?
      God bless you for getting my point.
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    20. Re:I want one of those! by RMH101 · · Score: 1

      ...if it's a GSM phone, just buy a euro one off ebay. Just make it clear that you're not asking for it to be posted to Nigeria, and you're not intending to pay with Western Union!

    21. Re:I want one of those! by jon_anderson_ca · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I want an operating system that's not running surveillance on me.

      Done and done.

      I want a car that has better gas mileage than a 1975 Honda.

      Okay.

      I want a health care system that won't send me into bankruptcy if I get sick.

      Welcome to Canada, it's the Maple Leaf state

      I want a news media that doesn't just pass along presidential press releases as God's own truth.

      Gotta love the CBC (again, in Canada). I hear that Al Jazeera English is pretty impartial, too.

      I want a President that has better than C- average and who cares about more than cutting taxes for the rich and not admitting he's wrong.

      You have elections coming up, right?

      I want a country that doesn't believe that half the population is the enemy.

      Okay, that's a long-term goal.

      But like your mom, tonight I'd settle for "just a phone". But the big phone companies aren't going to give it to us because the "free market" is fiction and we have become the consumables.

      That's why, if I take a vacation in Europe next year, I'm probably going to buy a GSM phone, unencumbered with all of this North American market philosophy. My understanding is that, in Europe, the mobile market involves many parties competing to provide the best service at the lowest cost... I'm not sure that I really understand this "competition" thing (that's where all of the gas stations charge exactly the same thing because you have no choice but to suck it up, right?), but I hear it's good.

    22. Re:I want one of those! by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      Ahh, the gasoline reference. No one can let it slip through. Your analogy between gas and cell phones falls apart because with gas, everyone sells the same product, and uses the same delivery method. Imagine what would happen in the cell industry if there was only 3 types of phones (all that did the exact same thing), and service was identical because they all used the same towers. I'd be willing to bet that all the cell phone rates would be the same.

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    23. Re:I want one of those! by cyphergirl · · Score: 1

      Oh if only I had mod points right now. +5 Funny.

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    24. Re:I want one of those! by Rudolfo · · Score: 1

      I have one of these (bought off of eBay for $40). I was under my Cingular contract and my phone self-destructed, and I wanted a cheap replacement.

      It lacks the extra features of many cell phones, but the fact is that its menu system is just as complicated and unintuitive as most other cell phones.

      What I would like to see is a cell phone with a simple on/off slider switch, and that doesn't play an annoying sound every time you turn it on and off.

    25. Re:I want one of those! by BBandCMKRNL · · Score: 1

      Sometimes you don't even need to have a cell phone with a camera to get the desired effect. My wife was driving to work one morning on the interstate and a woman in another vehicle wasn't paying attention when she changed lanes. To avoid having the other vehicle rearrange the front 1/3 of her vehicle, my wife hit the horn and brakes at the same time. The woman in the other vehicle took offense and started behaving like a teenage male whose manhood had been challenged. My wife held up her camera-less cell phone like she was going to take a picture of the woman's license plate and the other woman suddenly decided she needed to be somewhere else, ASAP.

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    26. Re:I want one of those! by simpl3x · · Score: 1

      "Have you seen our army? We are in no position to have an enemy! Problem solved!"

      We had some founding fathers that thought of this, but those C average folks thought that they knew/know better. No standing army, freedom FROM religion, not FOR A RELIGION, and limited set of functions with state centrism. Although I happen to be more social-ist, and believe that economies grow more through social investment, the thought is appealing.

    27. Re:I want one of those! by gnomes · · Score: 1

      "And people in hell want ice water. I want an operating system that's not running surveillance on me. I want a car that has better gas mileage than a 1975 Honda. I want a health care system that won't send me into bankruptcy if I get sick. I want a news media that doesn't just pass along presidential press releases as God's own truth. I want a President that has better than C- average and who cares about more than cutting taxes for the rich and not admitting he's wrong. I want a country that doesn't believe that half the population is the enemy. But like your mom, tonight I'd settle for "just a phone". But the big phone companies aren't going to give it to us because the "free market" is fiction and we have become the consumables." Your words give me hope and assure me that I am not alone. "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."---George Orwell ..

    28. Re:I want one of those! by insomnyuk · · Score: 1

      I initially read that last bit as 'I'd settle for your mom tonight.' My mistake.

    29. Re:I want one of those! by Keith_Beef · · Score: 1

      There have also been multiple revisions to the way the mpg is tested, so it's not very fair to compare door stickers.

      Look, if you want to know about a product, you go and test it for yourself.

      Or you try to find somebody you trust, and make allowances for errors and bias, and take a big pinch of salt.

      You should never take the manufacturer's claims as being true, nor should you accept the EPA "guesstimate" mpg figure.

      Get in, fill the tank, drive two or three hundred miles in your everyday typical usage, fill the tank again and note the amount it takes to fill up.

      Calculate from that the miles per gallon.

      Same with a phone. Youhave to make the distinction between the features (characteristics inherent in the object) and the benefits (the use you make of the object).

      From the list of features (camera, MP3 player, FM radio, GPS, SMS, MMS, web browser), just cross out those you'll not use.

      Once you've got it down to only the benefits (ability to make phone calls at $0.05 per minute, clock, pocket calculator), you'll be better able to judge whether you're prepared to spend $50 (or whatever) to get those benefits.

      Beef

    30. Re:I want one of those! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want a car that has better gas mileage than a 1975 Honda.
      We got these, see half the time your car would be frozen so you can't use it, really cuts down on the yearly mileage.


      I thought Canadians were supposed to be smart?

      Insert your own joke here about Canadians trying to make "miles/gallon" bigger by making the numerator smaller, and the denominator bigger. Great work, guys.

    31. Re:I want one of those! by captainClassLoader · · Score: 1

      * No camera. I do not want something that takes crappy photos. If I want a camera I will buy a camera. Putting a camera in a phone is about as good an idea as putting a phone in a camera.


      Well, if it comes with a camera, and you have no use for it, just do what I do; Bounce it off your garage floor a couple of times, et voila, the camera no longer works and you never have to worry about it again.

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    32. Re:I want one of those! by RoloDMonkey · · Score: 1

      Canada does have people "who believe that half the population is the enemy." They're called secessionists.

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    33. Re:I want one of those! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      You have elections coming up, right?
      In name only.
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    34. Re:I want one of those! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's freedom OF religion, not FROM religion, you fucking retard.

    35. Re:I want one of those! by drgs100 · · Score: 0

      Come on now, they just like Texans, but French.

    36. Re:I want one of those! by iamacat · · Score: 1

      Oh, so you also always carry a calculator, an alarm clock, a calendar and a sokoban game in your pockets? Must get awkward, especially if you still need a pack of Camels and a lighter.

    37. Re:I want one of those! by thethibs · · Score: 1

      Yah, I do. It's a Palm PDA and the game is Sudoku.

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    38. Re:I want one of those! by iamacat · · Score: 1

      So you are not against multifunctional devices, even though the alarm function on Palm is not as good as a dedicated alarm clock with hands and a snooze button? Maybe a Treo would do you good, for when you forget to bring your camera or your cell phone...

    39. Re:I want one of those! by thethibs · · Score: 1

      There's a fundamental difference. The 'multifunctions' on the Palm are just different software on a common platform with a common purpose--managing information about people, places and times. It's as multifunctional as the choice between aperture priority and shutter priority on a camera. Cameras and cellphones involve different hardware technologies where 'best of breed' performance is delivered on dedicated devices.

      If any of these devices were the least bit bulky, sacrificing quality for convenience (sounds like our school systems) might be attractive, but they aren't and it isn't.

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    40. Re:I want one of those! by Fuzion · · Score: 1

      How many of you have ever actually tried buying these phones? There are tons of retailers out there that sell plenty of unlocked phones for the full unsubsidized price that aren't available from the phone carriers. mobilebee.com is one that comes to mind that I've used quite a bit. Look at the Nokia 1110i, it's a basic phone with a monochrome screen that does the basic job of dialing numbers for those that want it. It has 15 days of standby on a single charge. It's $80 brand new and unlocked.

      Common sense dictates that if there's a demand for a product, why wouldn't a retailer spring up to offer it? The phone carriers can't prevent anyone from selling a phone. If a phone isn't being sold, the obvious reason is that there's not enough demand for it. Especially nowadays with online retailers, they can drop ship a phone, and have nearly zero inventory costs.

      The fact of the matter is most consumer do want the phones with the cool features, and I don't understand why this is so difficult for so many people on Slashdot to grasp. I like having an mp3 player so I don't have to carry around an extra device. I also like having a camera so that I can take pictures any time I want. I have an extra camera as well, but I don't carry it around all the time. I currently have the Blackberry Pearl which I got for $0 with a 2 year contract. I like the fact that the carrier subsidizes the costs by spreading it over 2 years for me to pay it off. This way I have a single monthly fee and I get a new every 2 years.

      This whole post is just a chance for people to go on a rant against the "big bad" cell phone carriers, without actually doing any research into the plenty of simple featureless phones available such as the Nokia 1110i.

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    41. Re:I want one of those! by dosquatch · · Score: 1

      Since that first episode with a cameraphone, I have upgraded to a Treo 700. Best of breed, best of breed. Bah. Multifunction is a breed. I have a very nice multifunction device. Full blown palm pilot, half-decent still AND video camera in a pinch, office documents, GPS navigation, sudoku (among other games), 60-odd ebooks, PDF manuals for equipment, detailed contacts, calendar and scheduling with reminders, oh yeah - and it makes phone calls, too.

      And I'm not carrying around 8 different devices and a full bookshelf worth $4000.

      Just saying.

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    42. Re:I want one of those! by thethibs · · Score: 1

      Color me paranoid, but I don't want a GPS unit that can "call home".

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    43. Re:I want one of those! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best comment I've read all day...

    44. Re:I want one of those! by dosquatch · · Score: 1

      Oh, that's no problem. I just don't carry it with me on drug deals or hit jobs ;-)

      Honestly, though, and flippancy aside, I don't see any evidence that it does this. True, it still may, but here's the deal - if you're really that paranoid, you shouldn't be carrying a cell phone. At all. Ever. Period. Even without GPS, you think your provider's system doesn't know what antenna you're hitting? And where that antenna is?

      Nevermind all of the recent reports about the ability to use your phone's microphone to eavesdrop on ambient conversations, even when you're not on a call.

      The simple fact is, I *do* have a paranoid streak in me. There's a part of me that believes that "they" can get to me anywhere, anytime, if "they" have such a reason, even if I'm not carrying any sort of technology. So why refuse to carry the technology? I might as well enjoy the fun toys.

      It's the same reason I won't cower in fear about the possibility of terrorist attacks. Sure, at any time, I might be carbombed, carjacked, shot, stabbed, flown into with an airplane, anthraxed, WTF-evered. Even without terrorism, I might be in a car accident, industrial accident, fall down the stairs, slip in the shower and break my neck, brush my teeth with chinese toothpaste...

      Any of thousands of horrible things might happen to me on any given day, from any number of sources. What, I'm supposed to lock myself in a cabin in the mountains and go Kaczynski? I don't know. You can do what you wish. I choose to go about my life.

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  124. So don't use them! by Mr2001 · · Score: 0

    Those are the least intrusive "extras" you'll find on any phone. Seriously, who cares if the phone has a calculator you don't want? If you don't want to use it, then don't use it. You'll soon forget that it's even there. (BTW, that "personal organizer" is just a contact list, and every phone has one.)

    It's like looking at a Corolla, one of the most generic cars you can find, and complaining that it has that useless bi-level vent setting and those fancy-pants power windows, and "why is it so hard to find 'just a car' these days?"

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  125. Japan and South Korea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Japan and South Korea use a CDMA-based system that is incompatible with the rest of the world. I have a nice quad-band GSM phone that will work just about anywhere in the world, but when I go to Japan, I have to rent a phone. Japanese phones are certainly cool (and they seem to have gone beyond the "hey, Bullwinkle, look at how flat *my* phone is" idiocy), but they won't work anywhere else in the world.

  126. Pre-paid phones by bsharma · · Score: 1

    We use 2 Tracfones (both GSM, likely run on AT&T (formerly Cingular) network). Quite happy with service, fairly inexpensive for occasional use. Both the phones (supplied for free by Tracfone) are made by Motorola. I also use a Cingular pay-as-you go service, Quite happy with service, fairly inexpensive for occasional use. If I have to use lot more minutes, I may switch from Tracfone to T-Mobile. The phones are cheap enough for me that I don't mind giving it away to guests/visitors, don't fuss if I or family member lose it, generally treat it as a somewhat expensive pen or a wristwatch. In short, it is not valuable.

  127. Pawn Shop by chocbar31 · · Score: 1

    Pawn me; pawn you; pawn everything!

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  128. Motorola F3 by HappyMutant · · Score: 1

    this phone does not work on the north american GSM system, as most people stated already, just look on ebay or craigslist for something simple.

  129. Big Phones by nytrokiss · · Score: 1

    They do have some big phone but you might need to buy them on ebay

  130. Nokia 3120b by hendersj · · Score: 1

    Has a few extras on it, but only cost something like $40 from Cingular (now AT&T Wireless, wish they'd make up their mind what they want to be called). You can probably get one on eBay cheap.

    I also wanted a simple phone, no camera (since I traveled a bit including into places where they don't allow cameras) or a PDA. I've "graduated" to a smart phone now, but the old phone did what I needed at the time. My needs are different now.

    My wife's got an inexpensive LG phone, I'll have to get the model number off of it, but same sort of thing - basic phone, no extras.

    Most of the wireless carriers have phones like this, but you have to dig because they want to sell you the feature-laden phones (more profit).

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  131. Re:We need alternative to cellphones by monopolist by zymano · · Score: 1

    Thats a pure scam. It's not true rollover if there expiration dates.

    I should be able to buy some minutes and not have to renew every month.

    http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cel l-phone-plans/prepaid-cell-phone-plans.jsp

  132. Cingular has a L6 by tyrnight · · Score: 0

    the Motorola L6 is the US version of that UK phone http://www.motorola.com/motoinfo/product/details.j sp?globalObjectId=99 its available ot Cingular/ATT

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  133. Prepaids? by NeuroManson · · Score: 1

    You don't need a credit card, you don't need a contract, you don't even need an address. The most basic ones are about $20, are just basic phones, and most don't need any payments (unless you use the phone regularly/excessively) for 2-3 months at a time.

    Hell, I've got two of them, costs me no more than $30-40 every 90 days, since I just use them for quick calls on the road. One from Virgin Mobile, the other from Tracfone. The tracfone one comes with a couple of otherwise unplayable games, but it functions as a phone perfectly well.

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  134. have you looked at net10.com? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have some cheap and simple phones. Prepaid, no contracts, 10 cents a minute anywhere US. I have one for one year now. Minimum cost is $15 a month for 150 minutes. No roaming, no free nights or weekends.

  135. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I meant to click Underrated, not Overrated. Oops.

  136. Re:Jitterbug - Why does it have to look like shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I too want just a phone, but I don't want something that looks like it was designed by the kids at the local Cerebral Palsy center.

  137. Motorola C168 by pinkstuff · · Score: 1

    This phone is still available (but rare) in NZ. Fantastic phone, with fantastic battery life, and it was extremely cheap. I am surprised simple phones are so hard to find now, when there is clearly a high demand for them.

  138. Re:We need alternative to cellphones by monopolist by bjohnson · · Score: 1

    Virgin allows them...so long as you put in $20 worth of airtime every 90 days, your unused minutes pile up. Virgin's got one of the cheapest PAYG plans out there, too, 18 cents/minute.

    I also got $20 update cards at Target for $15 last December; they're good for a year after purchase, so I go a years worth of service for $60. The phone was $40, but they have cheaper ones, and usually Virgin has a deal for a free phone with a new account online. The ony thing Virgin knows about m,e is the throwaway gmail account I used to sign up.

    Not bad.

  139. Ebay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A used cell from ebay would probably work.

  140. Re:TracFone - Yes! by TallDarkMan · · Score: 1

    I'm so much happier using TracPhone! I dumped Verizon and haven't regretted it one bit. I've a decent phone, and my wife (also on TracPhone) has an even simpler phone; but I've seen more expensive ones with more options (I think I saw one with a camera @ Wal-Mart).
    Pay-as-you go is great...and if you don't want to deal with renewing often, you can buy in bulk (annual plan or massive amount of minutes). I highly recommend it!

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  141. nokia 6010 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    check out the nokia 6010, i have one from tmobile, its just a phone and works great as that

    i also have a voq smartphone that i purchased from tigerdirect for ~85$, im happy with it

  142. Jitterbug by phantumstranger · · Score: 1, Redundant
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  143. Actually, price and battery life not so bad. by wirelessbuzzers · · Score: 1

    All of them bundle cameras, PDAs, MP3 players, and a kitchen sink with a battery life of 2 hours, all for the low price of $350 or more... I used to agree with the minimalist sentiment for exactly this reason. But then I looked on Amazon, and saw things like the w810i for $0.01 (-$100 after rebates). Now, that's a periodic deal; the w810i is currently $-20 after rebates. Similarly with the RAZRv3. Of course, that's with service. But even considering that, mp3-player-camera-pda phones are not much more expensive than truly minimal ones: no phone is going to be cheaper than, say, -$100 with service. Blackberries and smartphones are more expensive: most of them are a cent or even more, but I'll bet you can swing it.

    Then again, there's size, weight and battery life. But really, the RAZR and the w810i are both pretty small, and both get pretty good battery life: 7 hours of talk time and more than a week of standby, or something like that. I'm using the RAZR and the w810i just as an example. It just turns out that a camera and an mp3 player don't cost much money, space or battery life.

    Of course, if you don't like the complexity, you're about out of luck...
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  144. cellphone by loosefoot · · Score: 1

    Buy a vergin mobil for about $50 to $75 dollars. 25 cents a minute or $15 every three months if you dont talk much.

  145. Re: A Phone?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A Phone?? are you crazy??? you need a iPhone!!!!

  146. "Will it work in the U.S." by hpa · · Score: 1

    To answer the specific question if a phone bought abroad will work in the U.S.:

    A GSM phone capable of the 1900 MHz band will work in most parts of the USA with GSM carriers (Cingular/AT&T, T-Mobile, and Suncom.) In some areas, e.g. upstate NY, you also need coverage of the 850 MHz band. If you get a tri-band phone you may want to check what the low band is (it might be 850 or 900 MHz; 900 MHz is not usable in the USA.) For GSM phones, assuming it was not locked by the vendor you bought it from (check), you can just pop in the SIM card from the carrier and off you go. I used a Vietnamese version of the Nokia 6110 for many years this way.

    CDMA phones (Verizon, Sprint) are trickier -- they don't have a SIM card that can be easily popped in and out; you have to get the carrier to program your phone (or get the info from them to program it for you.)

  147. I don't know your mother so well... by ed.markovich · · Score: 1

    ... but maybe you shouldn't take her too literally.

    What your mom is probably saying to you is that she's afraid of being confused by her phone if its too complex, and that she doesn't want you to spend extra money to get her a "better" phone than she needs.

    She probably doesn't recognize that her request for a cellular equivalent of a standard cordless phone she has in the house isn't as easy to fulfil as it would sound, and there's probably no reason for you to go nuts looking for it.

    Instead, you should make sure to get a phone with a pretty intuitive interface. My mom has had luck with Sanyos and Samsungs. I heard Kyoceras are also very simple to navigate. My coworker showed me some Sony phone he had once and I didn't even know how to use it, so your mom probably wouldn't either. But there are plenty of intuitive, simple to use phones out there. In fact, I think the majority of them are.

    Your mom may not end up using all the features of the phone but then again you'll be surprised. My mom didn't want a camera in her phone but I got her one with a decent (1.3 megapix) camera and she's been snapping some amazing photos with it when she's out and about. You never know what tech your mom might use until you make it available to her.

    Remember that millions of people use cellphones every day, and most of them aren't kernel hackers. Almost all phones that you're going to get from a carrier are designed towards a normal non-technical user exactly like your mom, so chances are anything you'll get her is fine. If this is her first phone, forget picking it. Find her the service provider first, and then take whatever phone they give for free. Nothing more to it.

    And for what it's worth, I recomend Sprint.

    Hope this helps...

  148. Re: Where In the US Can You Get Just a Cell Phone by jetlag78 · · Score: 1

    The phone will work in the US if you get the US version (GSM 850 1900).

  149. This was inevitable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Luddites descend. Just when phones were getting usable enough that I'd actually want one, the masses begin to bitcheth and bellyacheth that they are too difficult to use, they don't "just work", that now they have to read a manual to figure them out. I can't wait to perfect space colonization and get the hell out of here and leave the rest of you technophobes to return to your stone knives and bear skins. We'll all be happier, then.

  150. Motorola F3 by perdelucena · · Score: 1

    It can't be simpler than this And battery life is great.

  151. sony ericcson z300a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you can get a sony ericcson z300a on Cingular "the new at&t" for a reasonable price.
    and with rollover minutes.

  152. Just a phone? by El+Bigote · · Score: 1

    I have a Motorola C139 through Tracfone which I use as just a phone. I talk about 15 minutes per month and it works fine for me. The face plates of the M3 and the C139 look similar. HTH, Dennis Myhand

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  153. MOD PARENT DOWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    read other replies for why

  154. AT&T Phone Store $40 by movdqa · · Score: 1

    Two weeks ago, I walked into an AT&T Store and bought a flip phone for $59.99. Doesn't have much in the way of features but it has address book, makes and receives phone calls and you don't need a plan. I paid $25 for 100 minutes, good for 3 months. So I pay about $8.33 a month for the service. The phone was for my daughter when she's taking classes. They have a cheaper candy bar model for $39.99. And a more expensive model with camera for $100. We have two more of these phones. One for me and one for our son. Just what we need for short communications and calling for pizza.

  155. I second the W315, or "mod parent up" by riker1384 · · Score: 1

    Verizon sells it, $150 retail or free with a contract. I can't comment on quality myself. Also they've had some basic Nokia candybar phones such as the 3589i in the recent past, which may be available on Ebay now.

    I think I've seen other basic phones offered for prepay plans from other companies, and I agree with those saying that this is sort of a pointless thread.

  156. T-Mobile by Maxmin · · Score: 1

    T-Mobile franchise stores in NYC sell unlocked phones (used unlocked phones, I have one, $40), and also the sim cards to make 'em work. Don't know about the rest of the planet.

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    1. Re:T-Mobile by tsa · · Score: 1

      Here in Europe you can buy prepaid SIM-cards that you put in the unlocked phone of your choice that you just bought. And if you bought a phone with a contract, the provider is REQUIRED to unlock the phone if you ask after the contract has expired.

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    2. Re:T-Mobile by SenorCitizen · · Score: 1

      Here in Europe you can buy prepaid SIM-cards that you put in the unlocked phone of your choice that you just bought. And, of course, this is not limited to prepaid cards. The normal way to do things is to buy a phone, then sign up with your mobile provider of choice. And switch to another provider if they have cheaper call rates. You *can* be silly and get a subsidized phone, but it will be SIM-locked.
  157. sim cards by mr_musan · · Score: 1

    Might i suggest finding a provider in the states that uses sim cards, then you can just buy any cheap triband phone in Europe (unlock it) pop in the sim card and use it happily, and when your mum is done with the phone just pop the sim card out and pop it in a new phone, so wonderful and easy it could never be in the usa.

    On a side note to find out just ho much your being screwed by cell phone companies take a look at 02.co.uk or orange.co.uk for how easy it is to get a cheap pay as you go (that doesn't expire) and switch to what ever phone you like.

  158. well by jfekendall · · Score: 0

    My phone can weld and create life! I think it's the greatest thing since Slashdot!

  159. Jitterbug by belg4mit · · Score: 1

    In last month's issue (May/June '07) of the Sierra Club magainze there is an ad on page 20 for
    Jitterbug from firstSTREET 1-866-540-0299

    Plain cell phones for $10 a month, promo code 32988

    http://www.jitterbug.com/

    I don't own a cell phone, and have no intention of getting one anytime soon, but the phones and
    fess don't look to bad.

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  160. Motorola F3 in US? by ahunter10 · · Score: 1

    Anyone know if there is a way to use the Motorola F3 in the United States? I know its not sold here, but if it were imported would it only take an active SIM card to enable it?

    1. Re:Motorola F3 in US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the Mexican you buy it from actually ever bothers to ship it, and if it's truly an unlocked 850/1900 F3, then you're GOLD!

      (BTW, anybody know the prevailing spanish translation for 'unlocked phone'? my literal translation from altavista doesn't seem to work)

      Personally, after 12 months of waiting for the F3, I finally got fed up and got an Apple phone.

      Behold, the MOTOROLA F3.... "The Phone for Everyone"! Phone for everyone my ASS.

  161. Can do F3 in Australia by draxbear · · Score: 2, Informative

    I picked a Motorola Motofone F3 up here in Australia on Ebay locally.

    It is locked for a local network (Optus) but otherwise works fine and fit the bill for the mate of mine who wanted it.

    The battery life is excellent due to the completely basic nature of the device and the eInk display.

    Speaking of the display it's very large (unfortunately it appears to be a fixed character size) display makes it easy for elderly users to make out the text in all lighting conditions.

    I can happily recommend this phone for those who just want to make calls with a maximum of battery life.

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  162. Go Nokia! by thebonafortuna · · Score: 1

    I browsed through a few comments quickly, and many people seem to be pointing towards Motorola. I would personally highly recommend a "low end" Nokia model.

    I worked for Cingular a few years ago, and I never got any complaints from older folks asking for the exact same phone features as your mother. I'm not sure what carrier you're planning to go with, but if you're looking at Cingular, this seems to be the phone closest to what you're mother wants:
    The Nokia 2610 -- http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cel l-phone-details/?device=Nokia+2610&q_sku=sku980158

    In my experience with Motorola, they never hold up as well, or for as long, nor are they as durable or easy to use. However, if you want an older Motorola to compare to, which you could probably pick up on EBay, check out the Motorola V180. If memory serves (and it does), that phone will also fit your mothers needs quite nicely. Picking up an older phone could also keep your mom from signing any kind of contract with a carrier, as she could simply use whatever they call their version of "pre-pay" now.

    However, if you are considering the EBay route, the phone I would recommend over most others would be the old Nokia 1100. It is exactly what your mother is looking for. Durable, and believe me, other than a rudimentary flashlight, zero other features. Great battery life though. Buy five of them, and when/if one fails, just swap out the SIM card. Show her how to do it, it's very easy on the 1100. But, for whatever carrier you decide to go with, make CERTAIN the phone is either from that carrier, or it at least compatible (unlocked). For Cingular and T-Mobile, they use GSM technology, hence SIM cards. They have to be unlocked.

    As for price plans, you're on your own. Good luck!

  163. 20$ motorolla by lonepirate · · Score: 1

    cingular go phone- motorolla somthing or other its small, black and works on the cingular network as well as the cingular go network just buy the phone for 20$ at a radio-shack and go to a atnt/cingular store and ask to set up a sim card account/ monthly plan.. bingo there you go a contractless 20$ phone. also the phone has 11hours talk time and 18days standby WOW!

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  164. prepaid? by an_mo · · Score: 1

    Get her a phone with a pre-paid plan, t-mobile has some no-frills phones available for that even at Target. The cost is .10/min if you get 1000minutes, and they last one year with rollover.

  165. Location, location, location by sgunhouse · · Score: 1

    Hard to guess what is actually usable in her area.

    I have a phone something like this one:

    http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controlle r?item=phoneFirst&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedP honeId=2506 ... though in their listing of models they also have this similar one:

    http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controlle r?item=phoneFirst&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedP honeId=2687 ... but that's for Verizon, if you're not even in their service area then that doesn't help.

  166. That's not how it works. by argent · · Score: 1

    Those features require a more powerful processor, more RAM, a higher resolution display in the case of the camera, physical space inside the case for the camera and lens that can't be used for the battery, and so on. Even if you don't use the features, they still cost you in battery life.

    And all the complexity is still there if you don't use it as well.

    The only way to get a simple phone with long battery life is to build a phone designed for simplicity and minimal features. There's no other way.

  167. My phone is simple enough by Abattoir · · Score: 1

    I have an LG-LX150. I too didn't want a camera mp3 pda when I had to get a phone for work, so I hunted. And hunted. And I found this one. I do need text messaging (unlimited, for system monitoring alerts), which it handles quite well. The LX150 also has bluetooth, calendar, ringtones, web browsing and some other stuff, but I have that stuff disabled or just ignore it. I went with Sprint, but the phone might be available on other providers.

  168. Motorola F3: The real story. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) You can buy them in Mexico for ~ 45 USD.
    2) The Mexican version WILL work on the US network.
    3) No one has figured out a way to unlock the Mexican version, and it is possible that it can NEVER be unlocked.
    4) Motorola wants you to buy the American version that will be loaded wtih a bunch of crap and cost 10x.

  169. Retro Phone by hzero · · Score: 1
  170. Net 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Net 10 works great everywhere. $15.00 a month on average. Maybe not the best choice for those whose cells are permanently attached to their heads, but it is best cellphone experience I've ever had.

  171. Nokia by Spit · · Score: 1

    I've got one of these. It is by far the best phone I've had. Reliable, long-life battery and indestructable.

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  172. Clarification by arakon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Should have thought to put this in the ORignal post,
    A. She already has a plan, options involving getting a new plan to get another crappy free phone like she already has is not an option.

    B. She is replacing a POS sony Ericcson flip-phone that has horrible reception, sometimes it never rings then it will buzz telling her she has voice-mail...

    C. She uses the phone for work, she's in the medical field and is on call a lot, so the phone does get regular use. No they didn't give her a phone from work that isn't the question. Just need a good GSM phone that doesn't cost 300+ dollars to buy unlocked and is ready to use.

    No I'd never heard of any services called jitterbug or anything like that. I do not live in the US, my mom does. I've noticed that a lot of google searches tend to come back with results based on your region you are searching from...

    But I'm sure this will be ignored and the flamers will continue...

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    1. Re:Clarification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This post ties in rather nicely with a story on the BBC website today - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6903128.stm

      If it wasn't so ugly I'd be quite interested in one for myself, then I could just use my PDA as a PDA, and not as a badly designed crap phone!

    2. Re:Clarification by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      Should have thought to put this in the ORignal post,
      Yes, you should have.

      A. She already has a plan, options involving getting a new plan to get another crappy free phone like she already has is not an option.
      OK.

      B. She is replacing a POS sony Ericcson flip-phone that has horrible reception, sometimes it never rings then it will buzz telling her she has voice-mail...

      C. She uses the phone for work, she's in the medical field and is on call a lot, so the phone does get regular use. No they didn't give her a phone from work that isn't the question. Just need a good GSM phone that doesn't cost 300+ dollars to buy unlocked and is ready to use.
       

      The phone may indeed by a POS, but that may have nothing to do with her reception. Since she has a GSM phone, you should be aware that both T-Mobile (my provider) and AT&T don't work everywhere. It's probably a reception issue rather than a phone issue. It's a very long story I won't go into, but on my last job we had corporate cell phones on AT&T's ancient, barely supported non-GSM network and reception was bad everywhere in our town. Our stupid company signed some long term deal to get a break on the phones and billing charges and we were unable to move to AT&T's GSM network because either AT&T wouldn't give us the same rates or our company was too stupid to know how to make the change. Either is possible. By the way, you may not know this, but as a US GSM customer, your mom is definitely using either T-Mobile or AT&T. Unfortunately, evil Verizon probably has the best reception of any US carrier, but they offer only a few GSM compatible phones that are bastardized GSM-CDMA hybrids. I have no idea how they work on GSM, but they are OK for use in the USA for sure. They aren't cheap though.

      http://www.1800mobiles.com/ offers a few unlocked GSM phones for cheap that have few functions outside of phone stuff.

    3. Re:Clarification by thehun101 · · Score: 1

      Amazon sells plenty of unlocked GSM phones without all the bells and whistles for a "reasonable" price. For example, the Motorola V191 is only $89. I'm not entirely sure what your cost/quality/durability requirements are, but it looks like a solid phone. - the Hun

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    4. Re:Clarification by Aeolien · · Score: 1

      The real problem is assuming that asking a question on /. will get you a serious answer. :P

    5. Re:Clarification by arakon · · Score: 1

      very true, I was kind of hoping for some feedback about specific phones similar to the one I posted a link to. Mostly I got flames and off-topic remarks that weren't any help at all. lesson learned.

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    6. Re:Clarification by RandolphTheGreat · · Score: 1

      arakon,
      I hate cell phones no matter what level of feature set so I got the simplest phone I could find and had the provider turn off all the features I could get them to turn off. Perhaps I have been lucky but the Nokia 3120 has worked fine for me and it goes for about 70$ sans a new plan, http://www.crayeon3.com/c3/pc-715-150-.aspx . It is an old model but the battery lasts for a week or two at a non-teenage girls usage level and it is very simple. The long battery life usually has me forgetting to charge it until the battery is dead while I am on travel without the charger so be warned.
      A few more locations in case google is being fun:
      http://www.wirelessgalaxy.com/mobilephones/nokia-3 120.asp
      http://www.welectronics.com/gsm/nokia3120.HTML
      http://bargainoffers.com/catalog/nokia-3120-triban d-gsm-cell-phone-p-257.html
      If none of those work out just let me know and I will keep digging.
      Cheers,
      Randolph

    7. Re:Clarification by arakon · · Score: 1

      Thanks dude, you rock. I'll pass those on to my mom. I can't stand the damn things either. Seems like the only news that needs to travel fast enough to use a cell phone is bad news.

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      "If I were bound by all laws everywhere I'm sure I would have committed a capital crime somewhere."
    8. Re:Clarification by tc9 · · Score: 1

      With my Mom she isn't working, cost is not really the issue but BIG TYPE is the issue. Indeed it is the first issue.

      Everyone is so focussed on the technology, and hacking the system, that they left out the big issues of the aging eye.

  173. Try Tracfone by techdavis · · Score: 1

    Tracfone http://tracfone.com/ has a phone that looks strikingly like that - the Motorola C139 for around $15. Net10 http://www.net10.com/ also has this phone, but watch the reviews of service. Both are available at Walmart and Target.

  174. $30 Nokia Shorty by BobPaul · · Score: 1

    You can get them with Virgin Mobile, USA. Their payment plans, largely prepaid, would probably fit your mother better anyway as they don't lock you into any sort of contract what-so-ever.

    Otherwise, any carrier will give you a barebones phone, but they won't advertise it. You have to specifically ask and let them know you aren't willing to be a customer with a complicated phone.

  175. Thirded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have a very basic Kyocera and it's perfect: simple and cheap to buy and use unless you're clocking a lot of minutes per month.

  176. Nokia by Jabapyth · · Score: 1

    I recently got a no-frills pay by the minute nokia from verizon.

  177. just a cell phone, oyster( virginmobile.com) $20 by UrbanPeasantsPolitic · · Score: 1

    just an answer to your question. add $40 a month( top up cards widely available( radio shack, walgreens, etc) and get 300/1000 plan. simple phone, works over the sprint network, so its reliable, battery life is very good, warns you when you are running low on minutes and when you are in need of adding money.

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  178. Freecycle by dacarr · · Score: 1

    Checked out Freecycle lately? I managed to score a couple of old T-Mobile phones - a Samsung R225 and a Nokia 3390 - last year on this, and these phones are pretty simple: they only do SMS, and the Samsung has an LED that can change colors.

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  179. Verizon supported by jonfields · · Score: 1

    If you can find it, the Motorola Startac. it was a phone...and that's it. analog support only though so, so be warned....its not gonna work much longer

  180. No, T Mobile does not charge a monthly fee by Mal+Reynolds · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, T Mobile To Go does not have a monthly charge.

    I only mentioned a "monthly" aggregated rate as a comparison figure to traditional cell phone plans. I just took the amount of the initial payment and divided by 12.

    T Mobile doesn't have the same policies in the US as they do in Europe. For instance, the expiration period here in the US is longer than you have. And unlike Europe, US carriers charge the same for incoming and outgoing calls. (yes, we are charged for received calls) This plan is not the most cost effective for those who make frequent use of a cell phone. (but it's not terribly expensive either). You have to consider that a lot of people don't use their cell phones very often. I know quite a number of people who use less than 2 hours of cell phone minutes per month. I know some who use much, much less. For anyone who doesn't use their phone a lot but still wants a cell phone, my research indicates that this is the best and cheapest product available.

    Here in the US, the purchase of $100 worth of minutes gives a customer "Gold Status". Once a customer has achieved Gold Status, their minutes will not expire for one year (and they receive something like a 15% minute bonus on all purchases). One of the best features is that the purchase of any more minutes moves the expiration clock 1 year forward.

    For those who rarely use their cell phone, the optimal practice is to purchase a $100 card at the time of activation. This gives the customer 1150 minutes. (1000 minutes + the 15% Gold Reward bonus). If the customer does not use 1150 minutes within the first year, they need only purchase a $10 card before the end of their 1st year. Their clock will be extended by one year and all their unused minutes will be carried over.

    After two years, a customer's aggregated monthly rate could be as little as $6 per month. (Once again, this "monthly rate" is just an example for comparison purposes, there is no actual monthly fee).

    1. Re:No, T Mobile does not charge a monthly fee by houghi · · Score: 1

      OK. If I look at it that way, I could get a 'monthly' fee for as low as 4EUR per year, or some 30 cents per month. So for people almost never calling, this will be the cheapest solution.

      I personaly charge about 10EUR per 2 months and sometimes less.

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  181. TracFone by sirgoran · · Score: 1

    As odd as it sounds a "pay as you go" phone like TracFone might be just what you're looking for. (http://www.tracfone.com/) Its a prepaid wireless phone you can find in stores like Target. The coverage is average but the cell life is great. I needed a phone but didn't want any long term contracts and didn't want/need all the rest of the fud. There are several models, but I got the Motorola V170. Works great and since I don't use it that much, (hardly ever) the 120 minutes I bought with the phone lasted almost four months. Mostly its a way for my wife to reach me when I'm not home (leash) or in case of emergency. Check it out. It might solve the problem for you. -Goran

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  182. Lucky me by Ghaan · · Score: 1

    Motorola F3 is a budget phone without extra features, monochromatic display, thin and easy to use (no, no camera, no mp3, no colors, no mms). I haven't used it, I just had it in my hands for while at a shop and put my eye on it closer. The design is nice and the phone is really thin. It's also cheap and thus suitable for people who can't afford all those all-in-one multimedia phones or for older people who don't need such features. I saw ads on this phone here, too (here = Slovak Rep.). Make a trip to Europe (vacation or something :) or get a friend to buy this phone for you and send it to U.S.

    PS: But your dilemma makes me really happy I'm not in U.S. and still have no problems to buy such things or a computer without operating system.

    PPS: Can't wait for OpenMoko

  183. 3 links .... by Allnighterking · · Score: 1

    When in doubt ask About.

    Basically 3 places Jitterbug, Wirefly, and Net10.

    Jitterbug I've seen and it's large numbers (buttons and screen) make it ideal for stiff fingers and bi-focal eyes.

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  184. The MOTOFONE F3 by Nodamnnicknamesavial · · Score: 1

    From Motorola's site: "Bands/Modes: GSM 850/1900MHz; 900/1800MHz" Yes, it will work. The first bit is the US system, the second bit is the european one. Go nuts.

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    1. Re:The MOTOFONE F3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go nuts? Listen smart guy:

      Just go and try and find an unlocked or North American-carrier 850/1900 MHz MOTOFONE F3.

      You WILL go nuts.

      From Wikipedia:

      "Although Motorola is marketing the MOTOFONE as the 'phone for everyone', the company has thus far refused to offer it in the United States and Canadian markets, despite announcing the product there in July 2006."

  185. Nokia 1600 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nokia 1600 is my recommendation. Small, lightweight, and has a great battery life. I have been very pleased with it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_1600

    (Oh, and that wikipedia article is the first place I see it's "designed for prepaid mobile service", so it hardly requires one.)

  186. Call customer support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a an app question today. My Girl friend just today ordered a new phone from sprite. She was using her Qualcomm that she got back in 2000. She was looking online and they listed all these Upgrades. All she wanted was a phone. she called customer service and they helped her find just a phone, for free. She had to get a new 2 year contract but she was not planning to change carriers.

  187. subsidised =/= silly by RMH101 · · Score: 1

    In the UK, we change our phones often. If you're on contract, you can get the latest and greatest as a free upgrade every year. Prices for calls on such a contract are not worse than pricing for pay-as-you-go calls. Sure, the subsidised ones are usually locked, but unlocking a GSM phone's trivial - a lot you can do yourself with a bit of googling, others you pay the price of a slice of pizza to someone over the phone or internet and they unlock it for you.

  188. Virgin Mobile by FranTaylor · · Score: 1

    Their low-end phone is $20 and it's just a phone. No camera, no MP3, no contract. The buttons are raised and tactile, unlike many more expensive phones. Reception is not great, but what do you want for $20?

    Mine went through the washer and I just bought another for $20 and transferred the number.

  189. Sig not quite right by Tau+Neutrino · · Score: 1

    That's

    I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.

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  190. Not for me by whitroth · · Score: 1

    I will *NOT* buy a cell phone that is *not* a flip phone.

    a) I don't want my keys to dial Moldavia in the FSSU;
    b) No, I do *not* want to remember and punch in an unlocking code, when I
                just heard the damn thing ring, and
    c) I want a microphone near my mouth; I do *not* care to "impress" everyone
              within 30 feet with my Important or K00l conversation.

    On the other hand, what *MORON* 23-yr-old marketdroid (like Stefe from userfriendly) wants to read email or surf the Web on a 1.5"x2" screen?

              mark "a plane vanilla flip phone, please. And Mr. Scot, please beam
                            us up - there's NO intellegent life here."
                    mark

  191. My cell phone by Kinthelt · · Score: 1

    Ever since the screen on my cell phone died, I'm basically carrying around a portable rotary phone. No call display, no SMS messaging, no address book.

    Why haven't I replaced it yet? Waiting on Roger's and Apple to make love and bring the iPhone to Canada.

    When I get my replacement, you can have mine.

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    "Evil will always triumph over good, because good is dumb." - Dark Helmet (Spaceballs)

  192. It will work with Cingular. by dsavage · · Score: 1

    It was tested on the Cingular/AT&T network, but was not added to the list of phones carried.
    -D

  193. Verizon by The+Spoonman · · Score: 1

    I have an LG LX3300 from Verizon that is a phone, it does absolutely nothing else (and I hate it for that. Gettin' a Treo next week! YAAY!). Battery life for the first year was pretty good (I'm always on it for work and generally got 3-4 days on each charge). It's been going downhill for the last couple of months and I only get about two days usage on a charge, but that's still not too bad. You might be able to get one through their refurb program. If not, pretty much all of the phones that are given away for free from every providers aren't much better than normal phones. If she knows how to dial a phone, she'll be fine. She just won't go into the menu or anything, so she won't see the "extra" complexity.

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  194. Nextel's phones - featureless as standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want featureless then go with Nextel, I hate motorola at the best of times but their free phones don't even do what my last motorola phone did years ago.

  195. Try Net-10 by techstar25 · · Score: 1

    You buy the phone for $30 and its yours to keep. The phone has no camera, or MP3. You prepay for minutes 10 cents per minute. Only buy what you need. No contracts at all. All you minutes roll over too. It's the cell phone for people who don't want a cell phone.

  196. It's not a cell phone,it's a revenue stream by speedlaw · · Score: 1

    Please ! I'm a heavy cell user, and have to suffer with Verizon's crappy in house software. Who in god's name designed the caller ID on the outside screen in tiny type and black on deep maroon ? I have good vision and this is a rookie error. worse is that there is no better screen availabe. Oh, and it defaults to the menu to buy stuff, like tv (I don't have time to watch TV on a cell phone, thanks), or take pictures which I can download for .25 each, or RENT Pac Man for $5 per month ( $60 /yr to rent a phone game ??). Let us not forget that this phone won't talk to an in Car Bluetooth system, because the relevant profiles are disabled by Verizon so you can't work around their media plans. Never Mind that you have removed a huge safety feature and really neat modern convenience. No, but I get tons of glossy brochures every month encouraging me to down load lame pop music for $2.00 per song !!!!!!!! Meanwhile, I have an iPod, a real digital camera, and a TV. I would like the phone to pay more attention to MY needs than to be a constant sales pitch for trash outside the mission of business calling. On the other hand,I did get a Verizon phone for my in-laws, with none of this crap and a big clear black and white display. the sales person said it was "the old persons's phone" and "we get a lot of requests for this". It looked like my regular cell phone from 2 gen ago in cheaper plastic. I'd have bought it for ME except it didn't do Bluetooth headset. I always love how options are parcelled out by corporate america. I can't ditch Verizon, as they began setting up cells as Bell Tel, and the coverage in my area is way better than anyone else....

  197. Emporia Life handset by gbridge · · Score: 1

    Not sure if it's already been posted, neither do I know if it's available in the US, but I just saw this on the BBC News website and thought it might be of interest: Firms snub 'mobile for elderly'

  198. motorola c139 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Motorola C139 is a as bare-bones phone as you can get, pretty close to the Motorola F3 in your link.

    http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cel l-phone-details/?device=Motorola+C139+-+GoPhone%C2 %AE+(Pay+As+You+Go)+&q_sku=sku40012

    This phone is only $20 after $20 mail-in rebate (att wireless online only instant discount of $100 also) if you buy it online. Also it can be used with a standard gsm plan if you wanted to convert from gophone.

  199. The difference was... by name_already_taken · · Score: 1

    The old SAE gross HP rating was taken at the flywheel, but with no accessories driven by the engine, and with n optimized exhaust system. This meant that things like the water pump were driven by a separate electric motor - there was no alternator, power steering pump, or a/c compressor on the engine during the test. The optimized exhaust system was usually a set of aftermarket headers designed to wring out far more power than you'd get with the stock exhaust actually used on the car.

    The SAE net HP rating is taken at the flywheel with all of the accessories installed, and with the same exhaust system in place as would be used if the engine was installed in the car.

    The difference between the two ways of rating the HP yielded vastly different numbers - with the old SAE gross HP rating basically being a lie, and the SAE net HP being much more similar to the HP you could expect from the actual engine in the car.

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  200. More "features" = Crappier Phones by TFGeditor · · Score: 1

    I'd say odds are that her phone just sucks and has little to do with service area.

    Years ago,I had an old Audiovox phone. It worked great, and I could pick up a tower and make/receive calls from inside my house (located in a remote rural area). After the Audiovox became unusable due to a broken charger connector, I was forced to "upgeade" to a Motorola phone with all the kiddy bubble-gum-and-trendy-athletic-shoes "features." I then had to go outside in the yard to make/receive calls. Sometime later, I was forced to make another phone "upgrade." I now have to drive two miles down the road to a hilltop to make/receive calls.

    Location has less to do with function than does the phone itself--which with each "improvement" gets worse at doing what a phone is supposed to do: make and receive calls.

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    1. Re:More "features" = Crappier Phones by BBandCMKRNL · · Score: 1

      I was forced to make another phone "upgrade." I now have to drive two miles down the road to a hilltop to make/receive calls. It's also possible that you went from an analog/digital phone to a digital-only phone. Since the FCC is no longer forcing the cell phone providers to support analog phones effective sometime later this year, many of them are decommissioning their analog networks. This is also why some people are losing their On*Star service at the end of the year.

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  201. Where in the US? by skia · · Score: 1

    You can buy them from Carmen Sandiego.

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  202. Sharing Phones in bulk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are Your friends Dr.'s from the Middle East?

  203. pre-paid phone, but order online by glorpy · · Score: 1

    There's usually a free low-end phone on the Virgin Mobile website, so you save even more. As for the rates, the lowest (retail) contract plans in the US are usually something like 450/minutes for $39.99. Even at 18 cents/min, that's 222 minutes a month, which for a person that just wants to talk, is probably more than enough. The biggest limitation to the pre-paid phones is that their reception drops off rapidly as you leave metro areas.

  204. Trac Phone by wpope1 · · Score: 1

    Take a look at Trac Phone. It about as simple as you can get. Walmart carries them.

  205. Bar phones by ^_^x · · Score: 1

    I had an old Nokia PCS phone, and now a GSM Nokia 3220, both bars.
    a) I lock my keys and they've never come unlocked in a decade.
    b) The unlock code on both is "[Enter], #". When it rings, I just press the answer or enter buttons though.
    c) Impress? It takes some getting used to, but you just pretend there's a mic there and speak normally, and it works fine - even with a quiet voice. Somehow they don't pick up much ambient noise. ...it does have a web browser, but it uses WAP, which is like a kick in the face even on a full sized screen.

    My first cel phone was a Motorola StarTAC flip phone and while it got burning hot while using it due to its silly thinness, I have to say it wasn't as flimsy as it felt - the cables in the hinge never wore out after years of use, and I even dropped it from a moving bicycle and it just bounced.

    Whichever you pick is fine either way, but I'm afraid those three sticking points don't really apply, at least on Nokias...

    1. Re:Bar phones by DCheesi · · Score: 1

      I had to dump my last "bar" phone because even with Keyguard turned on, it was still managing to dial 911 every now and then! Apparently there's a vulcan-nerve-pinch to active emergency dialing, and it overrides the keyguard...

      Makes sense, really, since if you're in a real emergency you probably don't have the presence of mind to do the unlock sequence and the emergency sequence; but it made the phone not only useless but actually dangerous for me (eventually the police would have lost patience with me...). I replaced it with a flip-phone, no problems since.

  206. Where can you get a cell phone by vcrispo · · Score: 1

    I'm using STI Mobile, Plan #1. Its 10 cents a minute 24/7, no long distance or roaming charges. Uses the Sprint back bone. It only costs $3.00 a month. Minutes don't expire as long as you use the phone once every 60 days. The phone I'm using is the LG 5225 (They also have other phones). They have other plans and options but this one suites me just fine. I get by on about $12 a month. Vin

  207. Unlocked cell phones by XPACT · · Score: 1

    If you live near Chicago youcan go on DEVON street (Nort side of Chicago) Devon & Western, there are many small indain stores that sell unlocked quad band phones. I did by few phones from there and I use them without any problem inEurope with prepaid SIM cards. When I am in the USA (most of the time) I am a T-Mobile customer, I simply use the SIM card provided from them, but not the phone. I am on month to month, because my contract with them expired. I can confirm that SIM card from T-Moblie will work in a adecuate(with the frequency for USA) phone.

  208. Try the LG LX 150 by default+luser · · Score: 1

    Simple phone with bluetooth, good reception and decent battery life. Really cheap too. Offered by Sprint.

    I have one and I love it. I was really wary about replacing my 5 year-old Touchpoint 1100, but after the hinge broke, I was forced to. I tried out the LX 150, and was really impressed with the responsiveness of the interface and the reception.

    Check out the reviews here.

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  209. Lg VX3200(?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    on a verizon network - phone only - roughly 4 hours talk time from full charge

  210. He wants JUST a cell phone you insensitive clod by wsanders · · Score: 1

    He wants JUST a Cell Phone. They have stuff other than phones at ALL the Cell Phone Stores around here, the greedy corporate bastards.

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  211. can't activate old phones anymore by nido · · Score: 1

    .... because they don't have GPS. I tried to swap my LG-VX1 for an LG-VX10 I got from my mother, and they wouldn't let me because it doesn't have e-911/GPS (where your phone can give its location to a 911 operator).

    diary here - iirc, it was earlier that summer (2005) that the ruling came down from the FCC.

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    1. Re:can't activate old phones anymore by Intron · · Score: 1

      How else will NSA know where you are when you call your terrorist buddies? You don't think they required e911 for your benefit, did you?

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  212. Nokia 6010 by Yonder+Way · · Score: 1

    I got this for free with my T-Mobile contract. It's just a phone. No cameras, no bluetooth, no web browsing. Just a phone.

  213. The basic handset from BetterWorldWireless.com by DDreslough · · Score: 1

    I have the basic handset from http://www.betterworldwireless.com/ , a pay as you go cell phone company. Whenever folks are showing off their new super slim fancy all-in-one camera-phone-tv-music-sink phones, I pull this sucker out and smile as they recoil in horror. It's about 6" long and an 1" thick and 1.5" wide approximately (a small brick), isn't too heavy, has good battery life, a green and black primitive screen that just does text and a few small icons. It looks like it's from 1984 too. It's a good one for tech-challenged rents, or people who need a phone that can take a beating from farm animals.

  214. I just bought a Motorolla C139 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My 2nd Razr broke and I needed a phone in a pinch, without having to affect my contract or buying a new phone for a few hundred.

    The C139 is a $30 "Go phone". My sim chip came out of my AT&T/Cingular phone and went right into the C139.

    It's featureless, lacking camera, internet, speakerphone or bluetooth. But the call quality is very good, fits in my hand well and the very long battery life makes it worthwhile. I am surprised to say that I actually like this thing a lot!

    I'm going to stick with this one for a while. Here's a tip: To "lock" the keypad, I had to search pretty hard in the manual. You press the menu-key once (key in the middle of the arrow keys) and then "*", in the lower left-hand corner. This will prevent pocket-dialing.

  215. WTF is the the OP talking about? by justdrew · · Score: 0

    get a $99 Go Phone from AT&T (cingluar) FFS. OK it might have a little crappy camera in it, but you CAN ignore it.

  216. Motorola W315 Alltel by ShaggyIan · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but I'm too lazy to search through four pages of answers to check if this one has been said.

    Work gave me a Motorola W315 from Alltel. No camera, clamshell, functional speaker phone, fairly basic. Don't turn on SMS or internet access in the plan, and it really just makes calls. In my area, it has never dropped or missed a call, and the reception has always been excellent. $135 on their website. $0.99 with a 2-year contract.

    Probably has a few more buttons than you'd care for, but it doesn't make you use them. I also lock the outside buttons because I got tired of accidentally setting it to vibrate. They also fill up the first 6-ish slots of your contacts with Alltel #'s.

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  217. Not trying very hard. by jhutchins · · Score: 1

    Target? WalMart?

    Virgin Mobile has several phones that are just phones, no internet, camera, or mp3 player.

    Mine costs me a little over $5/mo.

  218. Consumer Cellular by DancesWithWolves · · Score: 1

    I'm suprised no one has mentioned this yet, but try Consumer Cellular http://www.consumercellular.com/. They give you a free phone (with $30 activation) with no contracts. I have been using their Emergency ("No-minutes") plan for years now. It costs $10 a month and any minutes you do use are 25c per minute anywhere in the US. Perfect for those who want just a phone and don't use it a lot.

  219. You want a brick phone by drachenstern · · Score: 1

    Such as the Nokia 6030, which is what I carry.

    UNLESS, easy readability, in which case I don't know what to tell you, probably a basic flip (I've seen larger text there).

    But the phone that I carry is the 6030, and it does calls and that's about it. Of course, every phone has an address book, clock, and dayplanner capabilities (or I haven't seen one that doesn't that has been built in the past three years), so those are there, but I really only use mine for the alarm clock other than for making telephone calls.

    Here's a Nokia link http://www.nokiausa.com/link?cid=EDITORIAL_185113

    It does work on GSM/GPRS 850/1900 MHz so that should be sufficient to get you on most major networks, no?

    Best of luck!

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  220. Yes, they're ideal for tourists. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need a few cents to make a pay phone call to activate it. They ask for a landline phone number, but you can just make something up. (The phone number of the pay phone in front of you will do nicely.) They also ask for a zip code, which is to assign an area code. If you want a phone number in a certain city, just look up a zip code there.

    I use Net-10 a lot ($40 for the phone and 300 minutes of service; $0.10/minute after that), but I don't imagine the others are terribly different. Mostly the phones are a few dollars cheaper and they ding you harder when you buy airtime in small increments.

    The instructions say that you should charge it for a few hours before activating it, but I've always found that the battery has enough to activate it immediately.

    1. Re:Yes, they're ideal for tourists. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These Net-10s sound great, cheap and not too fancy. So those are found at what, Walmarts?

  221. Walmart of course! by JimXugle · · Score: 1

    You can get a just-a-phone phone at Walmart for $20... It's the Motorola C139 (or something like that) branded as a Cingular "Go Phone". Buy the phone, then go into a Cingular store and sign up for your preferred service plan. Take the free phone that they give you, and then move the SIM into the C139. Give the C139 to whomever wants just a phone, and keep the Free phone for yourself!

    Tmobile does similar things too... although it won't work with CDMA carriers like Verizon and Sprint.

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  222. Jitterbump is great if that's what you want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I would gladly give up the MP3 and radio and camera if they would just let me make the font 12 pts instead of 8."

    So you want the braille phone?

  223. Non-suck carriers? by MikeFM · · Score: 1

    My problem is that I want a phone carrier that doesn't suck. I've had Sprint, Nextel, Verizon, Cingular (now the new AT&T), Alltel, T-Mobile, and some little local companies and they've all pretty much sucked. I worked for Cingular long enough to learn that it wasn't my imagination that they sucked. And now Vonage won't let me re-subscribe, with my same $200 phone or other $100 phone, after unsubscribing for six months - meaning that Vonage is very close to going on my hate list now.

    Is there such a thing as an honest carrier that doesn't try to unfairly lock you in, screw with your bills, give you the run-around, or over charge you? Sadly, I think not. :(

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  224. Re:Tracfone: choice of privacy lovers & terror by Tom+in+Boston · · Score: 1

    Remember those guys who were pulled over in a van in Michigan with 50-something non-activated prepaid cell phones in the back and were arrested under suspicion of being terrorists, etc.? They were Tracphones, one article mentioned, and that they are popular with terrorists because you don't need to identify yourself in order to buy or activate one. I went right out and paid $20 cash for one a couple days later at Target, and it's true!

    Nobody at Tracphone or Target knows or cares who I am or where I live. I've added time and minutes since then the same way; the cards are for sale at CVS. For a frequent cell phone user, it would be a more expensive way to go, but for someone who loves privacy, hates being on mailing lists, and uses a cell phone infrequently, it works out just fine. The annual cost is definitely much less than any $39.99/mo plan.

    Of course, if you buy the phone on their site, they will have your name, credit card, and shipping address!

  225. Try Tracfone at around $10 (was $50) & $5 a mo by rfc1394 · · Score: 1
    The Tracfone prepaid service offers a simple phone (or at least it did when I had it several years ago) for around $50, and you can buy service for as low as $10 a month for about 10 minutes of use (the minutes not used roll over up to one year), if all someone wants is an inexpensive phone for limited use. For about an additional $100 you can buy a one year contract with about 150 minutes to use during the year. Since the phone only costs around $50 and there is no contract (you don't have to buy more air time or continue service), you could still keep it, for example, if all you want is a phone to call 9-1-1 or want to pay a very expensive rate (like $1.75 a minute, I suspect) to use a cell phone that doesn't have service by paying for calls with a credit card), it's extremely unlikely they will sell you a very huge featured phone. They sell Tracfone at some gas stations and many 7-11s.

    Actually, I went to their website, looked it up and found the rates are even better than I thought they were.

    According to their website, they sell a really simple, reconditioned Nokia 1100 phone for $9.95 and includes 20 minutes of airtime. Also they've cut the monthly renewal fee to $4.95. One example that popped up will sell you a phone (not sure if it's that one or a more expensive one, but if it isn't the rate might even be less), a year's service and 800 minutes of airtime for $140.00 (might actually be $139.99), which comes out to about 19c a minute and if they use their phone about an hour a month this should be more than enough. Figure out that if you include the phone, it comes out to $11.67 a month. I hope this information may be useful for you. In fact, I think I'm going to go buy one and see if I can transfer my number over since I am moving and have to get my own phone now separate from the one that is on my family plan.

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  226. Net10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just go to net10.com. The are 10 cents a minute w/o any renewal fee.

  227. Just What Grandma Needs by Mr_Un_Natural · · Score: 1

    It's the original, no need to train her, she will know exactly how it works but it's a cell phone to! http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php? products_id=287