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How Not to Attract Geeks
Hutta writes "The ultra-reputable Weekly
World News has a story about Why Some Gals Attract Geeks Like a Magnet. (Quote: 'When they hear you say, 'Aw, I don't know,' [...] their big floppy ears perk up like Pop Tarts from a toaster.'" Remember, WWN is even more reputable than Slashdot. We get all of our news from there.
I bit her ear, she farted, and flew out of the room... I didn't know she punctured so damn easy...
well.. It's actually not hard to get women.. I am very much a geek by nature ( sorry.. couldnt help having a high IQ ) The way to get women is very sad... you must act cool.. and stupid... and cater to her emotional needs. This of course can by manipulated.. and if done right.. you will have her in the palm of your hands... ( better her than something else!! ) Other advice is to stay somewhat in shape.. lift weights, jogging.. something.. I know it seems to many to be a waste of time, but just think of it as "staying in health." If you are willing to put this much energy in being stupid.. then you will get the perks. When you are not around her.. become super geek again.. If she catches you.. tell her that you are very busy.. and sound a little annoyed.. this will give you a winning combination. Not all women need this approach, but they all have a primal need for protection and concern...
Mr. AC Pig.
Gals, 1. Make sure you stick your breasts out to make them appear to be larger than they actually are. 2. Smoke cigars. This will show those losers that you can think for yourself. 3. Let your boyfriend beat you up. Nobody who's cool is caught hanging out with a kind/sensitive geek. Unless your boyfriend is cheating on you/beating you up/playing golf all day every day, you've bagged a loser. 4. Dress better. You're ugly. All the other girls say you're ugly. Cool guys don't like ugly girls, you pig. 5. You're fat. Kill yourself. 6. Reading is for losers. Don't be caught reading anything longer than 20 pages. 7. You are better than geeks. We should round up geeks and put them in a concentration camp and kill them. Doesn't that sound nice? You don't want any "pocket protector-wearing geeks" just walking the streets do you? They're inferior and must be exterminated. Folks, it's this kind of crap that made my younger sister the way she is. This is the kind of crap which breeds the unfriendly women you run into every day. I think the center of this mindset is Boston, MA. Take a walk around Harvard Square and see if you disagree. Scrimp. -Your mother.
Dr Rachel Carmotta has made a very insightful argument -- We must take action before it is too late!
We, as a community must rise up and take hold of this proliferation of bug collectors and Steve Urkels. Forif we do not, we shall become victimized by their incessant love letters enshrined in perl code.
God forbids that we should treat these cowlickers, these nerdy dudes who would embarrasse us in our most modest moments. Quick! Pick up your head and put your shoulders back lest weirdos in pants with cuffs just below the knees victimize you!
Don't be cute. Don't look the victim! These wimps, these bow tie wearing dorks who lack self esteem are plotters. They seek insecure people and take advantage of them. Hide!
The worst part of this entire deal is the number of women who believe they simply have the bad luck of being chased incessantly by these nerdy filth. Action must be taken.
Finally, don't let yourself become disillusioned that they are really people who have a dated stereotype. This rumor is totally untrue -- nerds have no life, no feelings, no aspirations, no social graces, no fun, no creativity, no joy in talking to successful women. They all would rather stick pins into dead invertebrae. This subclass, this demoted class of pseudo-human-beings must not be treated compassionately as the big floppy eared brutes do not deserve such respect for their supposed accomplishments in all areas of society.
Take action now!
-B
The most vehement commentary to this one seems to be along the lines of dishing out real-life cases of "us" being with "them"; "nerds" and "models". Seems to be that all of us men are applying some real quality judgement standards...
At a minimum we can all agree that we (all men) stare at one of the "wrong" places when talking to a woman:
Our feet
Their feet
Somewhere under their chin, but above their feet
The advice in this book is certainly nothing new. Projection and confidence are attractive qualities for both gender. This is no surprise. The only surprise is the working title of this author's next book, which I heard is called "How to Keep Nerds away from your Harem; A Confident Man's Guide to Protecting Women from Danger."
I can think of nothing that would annoy a hacker more than any system that exhibits erratic and only marginally predictable behaviour. Women (and men), i.e., any real people, are just such a system. So hackers choose to ignore the disordered systems that they cannot take apart and fix, and to deal with the orderly ones instead. Hence, bachelor mode.
Wrong. In fact, the exact opposite.
You can educate the ignorant. But just try
taking a twinkie away from a fat chick.
I should know. I got stuck with one.
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What if I wrote a piece on how NOT to attract black persons, using all the stereo types about black.
I'm sure the outrage would be much greater.
What exactly is the difference.
Both types of articles would use improper stereo types to help classify the "sub people".
Geeks wear pocket protectors and have bug collections no more than blacks carry watermelons in there cadilacs.
PS. Why is HTML format default. I HATE that.
Plain text should be default.
I've known geeks who, through lack of relationship experience, don't have the ability to build a healthy relationship.
There are dorks who objectify women (or men - I've seen it) as idiots and sex toys. People who get so high on their own IQ that the rest of the world takes on a default inferior status.
A LARGE number of nerds become so dedicated to their one pursuit (Nintendo, Sys Admin, work or play) that they react with hostility to whoever doesn't value their activity with the same fervor.
Having a pocket protector and a cowlick doesn't mean you suck, but it sure doesn't mean that you don't suck either.
Sadly, that's not entirely true. It's just a matter of finding the intelligent ones on a night when they're not feeling particularly confident.
Maybe that doesn't apply to you personally, but I assure you I have met plenty of attractive, intelligent, and all-around-decent women in exactly the way he describes. It's sad that it works, but it does work.
You're a chick and you dated geek chicks? Isn't that pretty cruel to the rest of us, taking them out of circulation and all?
No kidding. This approach is totally lame, and will only net you stupid and/or gullible women. I'm a geek with a successful love life; I've had one for years, and I've never had to be someone else to get women interested in me. Why would you even want a relationship in which you had to be something you're not? There's a lot more to life than sex, and hey, even sex is best when you can be who you are.
And women aren't all turned off by geekspeek -- they're turned off by inattentive men. Don't fear to geek out -- just pay attention, and don't go on those in-depth rants if she's not following. I've explained Direct3D vs. OpenGL to girlfriends in the past. They dug it. Trust me on this one. Just don't try it on the stupid.
We geeks have a lot to offer, compared to our knuckle-dragging, Maxim-reading mouth-breathing brethren. Don't waste it by trying to be someone else's image of a kEWl d00d.
Damian
Q: How do you recognize an extraverted software engineer?
A: He looks at your shoes when he talks to you.
(1) this guy can't financially support himself, much less a family. ("cool" adds nothing to a job resume, you know.)
(2) he's so used to having his pick of women that he'll cheat on you with the next skirt to walk by. (How did you meet this guy, again?)
(3) Will beat you. (that high testosterone level and arrogant macho attitude and all. What did you expect?)
The women, then having failed one relationship, set out to look to do it all over again. "But he's got a great ass/body/muscles/whatever!", they'll say. And as for that geeky guy who works the machine room at the office? Eeewww! "In your dreams, pal.", they'll say, never looking behind the pocket protector. Well, women with this kind of philosophy will get no sympathy from me when they get their lives all screwed up. The geek is far more likely to cherish a woman and treat her right because he knows what a rare find love is. The macho bloke would most likely chuckle at the mere mention of the work love. Think about the signifigance of this.
When I was in school, I had a nickname:
"Chick Magnet" (there were variations: "Shit Faggot" was the most popular, along with "Chick Maggot")
Why? I repelled girls like the wrong side of a magnet. It was my first encounter with the sophisticated irony that would eventually drive me completely insane and lead me to shoot up my school while wearing a bunny suit, singing Beethoven's "Ode To Joy".
Really, guys, I know most of this doesn't apply to you-- most of the people who read Slashdot probably enjoy being alone to a certain extent (I know that I do-- more time to think...), but that doesn't mean we don't know how to get along.
For those of you that *do* fall under that category, thoough: there is hope. Try a few different things:
*You know that platonic female friend of yours? Maybe you met her via IRC? Or maybe she's your next door neighbor or the daughter of one of you mom's friends? Yeah, her. Talk to her. Really-- try and pick her brain. Consider it a reverse-engineering project to figure out what stimuli can achieve the desired effect. Either that, or just ask her outright for help on becoming more of a ladies man-- she might help you.
*Get out. You don't have to play football, and you don't have to go to a god-awful smoke-filled club where you drink yourself silly-- try going to a local park, just to watch the sunset. Not only is it good exercise to help you "firm up" for the ladies, but it's a great time to reflect. Who knows, maybe you'll develop an appreciation for nature-- chicks dig that.
*Relax. Try to behave in a relaxed manner around girls. Seriously-- if that platonic female friend of yours happens to live near by, start with her. Try and not concentrate on the fact that she's a girl. Just try and make friends with her-- that's where lots of good relationships start.
*Work on the self-esteem. You notice that most of the suggestions in the article above have to do with becoming too intimidating for a geek to approach. Remember-- somewhere inside you is a really bitchin' person that will rock that girl's world. If that girl doesn't think so, it's her loss. But *don't* go after the girls that have low self-confidence-- you'll both wind up raising wimpy kids that, while they will eventually go on to MIT, will have the *shit* kicked out of them in high school. Your offspring deserve better.
*Try to make friends with females. This is what finally worked for me. I just went out and made friends with a lot of the girls at school. If you don't have the social skills to make friends, then develop those skills first-- then move on to dating. Seriously, if "the girls" ever invite you out for a night of shopping at the mall, don't turn them down-- it will help you learn more about what girls look for in a guy, besides a nice ass and some good-lookin' pecs.
*Try after-school activities. Jesus, isn't it *obvious*? The Math Club doesn't count, and neither does your Magic: The Gathering clan. What I'm talking about is going out there and joining the debate team-- educational, and there are lots of girls that you will, at some point, be *forced* to interact with in a semi-combative way. Not only that, but the arguing will prepare you for marriage.
*Be yourself, but don't focus on it. If you're not a dashing, debonaire James Bond-ish type of person, don't pretend to be. If you're a person with strong convictions-- don't hide them. Sincerity is the key to any good relationship. By pretending to be somebody that you're not, you screw the relationship from the start.
*Remember-- you miss 100% of the shots you never take. I know that sounds trite, but it seems oddly appropriate here. Half the geeks that complain to me about their lack of love life have never even asked a girl out. Before you compplain, you need to TRY IT. What's the worst-case scenario? She shoots you down? Hey, buddy, let me let you in on a little secret: it happens to everybody. And the whole school isn't going to laugh at you because of it. Hell, you'll probably be more respected for having the self-confidence to even *talk* to a girl.
Good luck, guys, and don't worry too much-- you'll mature with time, and while you might not become Pierce Brosnan, you can at least be a bit better than Steve Urkel.
I hate to break the news to you buddy, but some of us are good with computers and also -gasp- good with people. One does NOT have to be EITHER intelligent OR good looking. One does NOT have to be EITHER trustworthy OR personable. Give me a damn break. You know what I hate most about being a Computer Engineering major? The fact that narrow sighted people like yourself associate themselves with me, and try to quantify me and my personallity. Come on, throw that chip on your shoulder away. There's 3 billion guys in the world, and unless your name is Jesus Q. Christ, there's no way you've met even a fraction of them. Who are you to tell me I've got no prayer of landing an attractive wife because I happen to work with computers? Who are you to tell me I'm an arrogant jock who's not got two functioning brain cells because I play soccer and can squat twice my body weight?
Seriously, people, think for a second. If you have absolutely no luck with the fairer sex, maybe the problem is with YOU, not them. I mean, you're so busy cutting women down and calling them stupid it's no damn wonder none of the good ones want anything to do with you. I don't blame them a bit. But ya know what... the world does need narrow sighted people like you, so that women can see just how good us well rounded guys are when compared to the morons out there.
My advice to you is to forget about the fact you probably outscored someone on a standardized test, and get to know the person. When it comes right down to it, women want security, comfort, and love. What they DON'T want is someone arrogant, self-absorbed, and psuedo-superior. And they most definately don't want someone who they would have to hide from their friends and family because of his total lack of social skills and his overpowering ego.
Come off your ego trip and relax a bit. Your world will be a much happier place.
/rant
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Just lurking, thanks!
So, when was the word "loser" defined in terms of how much I socialize? I propose a new definition: "Loser" is now defined as those that do not not know as much as I do about technical things. There, who's the loser now?
I AM NOT A LOSER. Why should I have to listen to everyone out there that points at me and says "haha - look at the computer geek!" ?
Maybe I have been on fewer dates than I have fingers. Maybe I don't go to frat parties and drink myself stupid every weekend. Maybe I do laugh at the definition of recursion (n. see recursion).
Don't hate me because I'm not beautiful. Don't hate me because I know stuff. Don't hate me just because I have my own priorities.
You should never take life too seriously - You'll never get out of it alive.
That's the first thing I thought too. It's good to see another Bill Hicks fan loose in the world.
"Let's go for it!" == #1 get-picked-up line to use around the whole football team ;P (yeesh!)
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That translates to:
"That's right baby, if you don't sleep with me, your web site and your hard drive will never see the light of day. I own you baby!"
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
If I actually cared I'd do a search and find out if the person actually exits and her book is actually being published. Hmm, maybe I will.
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Geeks crave conflict, and thrive on collective arrogance. So if a woman says "Yes, without a doubt", and "Let's go for it." in a decicive response to whatever, the geek will immediately start an argument. If the woman -wins- the argument by being confident, strong and decicive, she will be elevated to "Sex Goddess" status in the geek's eyes, no further qualifications needed.
On the other hand, "real" men are only interested in meek girly-girls. Strong and confident women are a nuisance and a waste of time for the self-obsessed Leonardo DiCaprio clone.
Face it, femme-fatales, only a nerd will actually care that you have a brain up there, that you have opinions you want to express.
Plus, it's a guarantee that the geek won't hesitate to accomodate whatever sexual hang-ups you've hid from your previous beaus. Those brainiacs are the most avid perversiuon hounds, and the kinkier, the better.
So Geek Relationships = Long talks on the beach and something new learned every day. If worse comes to worse, you can cure him of his highwaters and short-sleeve plaid shirt addiction by treating him like an overgrown Ken doll.
Leonardo Clones = passive, plastic, missionary-position boredom. If worse comes to worse you can always get him to appreciate that you are a person, not an accessory by nagging at him until he beats you.
SoupIsGood Food
Write a web page on how not to attract geeks and don't put the your name on it. Thank God I'm not a woman. So many games they have to play as the followers and recievers, always patterning their lives based on men's every whim. You don't see men getting told to avoid phrases in the english language. Maybe the best strategy is for women to become the initiators and providers.
We are in particular interested in girls who believe what they read Weekly World News. That proves they are both smart and critical.
Hey! What's wrong with bug collections and Nintendo?
"Tomorrow's forecast: a few sprinkles of genius with a chance of doom!" - Stewie Griffin
Would "Bitter" be a plus or a minus or would the moderator get to decide?
The last bit of your post rang a chord with me. I get too many idiots unable to understand the fact that it's possible to have a friendship with a female, that is completely non-sexual. They sit there, and look at you with confused eyes as if to say, "How can that be?".
Isn't it sad that the world has come to this.
Not all women go for jerks.
Who the hell is interested in women who do?
Come on, who could pass up a free email address at weeklyworldnews.net? Obviously not me, as you can see. Needless to say "batboy" and "sonofbatboy" were already taken.
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Jake
Actually, at first I didn't know because I didn't recognize the title. Then I went to the front page.
You'd be surprised to learn how many nerds take up martial arts. Most of the more serious martial artists I've met over the years are also nerds, and I'm sure quite a number of them are reading this right now. Come to think of it, it was a fellow martial artist who first introduced me to Slashdot (hi Matthew! ;)
Later,
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Joao de Souza - co-moderator - rec.martial-arts.moderated
A couple of people seem to be taking this story seriously. They must not know (any more than I did a few minutes ago) what kind of publication WWN is. I advise these people to take a look at the front page. Heck, even read a few stories. If you pretend it's The Onion, you'll laugh your lungs out.
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Fuck the system? Nah, you might catch something.
"cool" -> "people person"
;)
"arrogant macho attitude" -> "leadership potential"
So these cool, testosterone-loaded jocks are quite capable of making money -- they become suits.
Check out Aikido, Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu, or Shaolin Kung-fu, and you'll have a tough time finding a more quirky pile-o-geeks.
You *have* to be a bit of a geek to have the persistence and curiosity neccessary to learn anything worthwhile from these arts!
If you were to specify say, kick-boxing, or shoot-fighting or something more macho, I would agree whole-heartedly.
Besides, does Catherine Raymond walk around with her gi on and an arm-load of trophies all the time? I don't think so!
Haiiiiiiiiiii-YAH!
**>>BELCH
"How To Attract The Low-Brow Wife-Beating Macho Stalker of Your Dreams!"
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**>>BELCH
inDEED. I've found that 'normal' guys (or normal guys my age, at least) have little in common with me or aren't mature enough for me to be interested in.
/and/ a love of technology/computers!) attracted to me is a bonus, not a curse. Nor does having a passion for computers mean that a 'geek' has to be so one-dimensional that they don't have other intersting facets of their personality as well. Geeks are not by any means all pocket-protector-wearing dorks, any more than my being a geek-chick means I must slump around and giggle nervously a lot. Egads.
Having well-adjusted geeks (gee, intelligent conversation
Long live geekiness.
--Anneke
--Anneke
"Real Women Use Linux"
-- just slightly overweight makes better cuddle-partners. /used/ to have freckles. ;).
-- I'm 5'5".
-- Red hair.
-- definitely a geek.
-- Bryn Mawr college grad... your decision if i'm intelligent, talk to me
-- Can't say i'm into punk music. Although i've had friends with hot pink hair.
-- Don't know what IRC stands for, sorry. I know what PPTP stand for though...although that's NT. (i can't help it, i didn't plan to be an NT admin)
-- unfortunately, i'm sorta 'taken.'
Point being, ideal (geek) chicks do exist. (not saying i'm yours, just saying they exist.) Just a matter of what you consider 'ideal.'
--Anneke
--Anneke
"Real Women Use Linux"
no, didn't say i was, just saying that cuddling with those who /were/ a bit overweight is nice (two sticks don't work as well ;).) People would hurt me if i ever said i was fat.
--Anneke
--Anneke
"Real Women Use Linux"
I've had my fair share of difficulty finding the 'good ones' too. Quite often, they're taken. *frown.*
As for your other point-- there is. it's called Peer2Peer, a geek site for dating run by the userfriendly.org people. Check it out.
--Anneke
--Anneke
"Real Women Use Linux"
Anyone else noticed how closely this parallels recent events in GPF?
(If you don't read GPF, you should)
Then again, maybe I'm just on crack.
Pancakes is the better part of valor.
It's a joke newspaper, like the Onion - I can't believe you guys don't know that.
Unlike the Onion, it's just barely believeable enough so that folks with IQ's under 90 will tend to believe it.
support gun control: take guns from cops
However, I don't find staying in a "good night". I prefer a good night out socialising with friends a good night, preferably with a little dancing.
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Money has this habit of accumulating, wheras looks have this habit of deteriorating. So this exchange isn't really fair, because the advantage is always with you.
Hamish
"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something" - Plato
George McFly is Marty's extremely-super-duper-ultra nerdy father.
You've just stumbled across the exact reason why the article is a crock.
The author isn't saying that geeks are explicitly attracted to women who display these traits, she is saying that these timid gals are the only ones that our fragile egos and low self-esteems will allow us to approach.
Have I got news for her.
Oh, and no-one actually knows what 'love' is. It seems to be an excuse these days, or a word used in place of an apology. I doubt, somehow, that the concept even exists anymore. Egad, I hope not! I probably don't "know" what love is either, but I've a pretty damned good idea. I'm 21 years old, and have been married to a lovely young woman (20) for 1.5 years now. Like another poster said, where a "jock"-type guy with the nasty wife-beating habit won't care for a woman in the slightest, a "geek" will cherish such a rare find. You can count me into the latter category -- I value my wife higher than myself or any of my gadgets or computers. That sounds corny, but it's true -- stuff can be replaced, but she can't. She might not be married to the hottest looking guy on Earth, but she'll absolutely *never* have to be afraid of not having a place to live, food to eat, things to do, or of being left alone to fend for herself so long as I'm alive. And since I've got the brains to put away some of my earnings into investment plans, I'll leave behind a good pile of money for her if I happen to die before she does. You're completely correct though in saying "intelligence and personality is bottom on the list." It is, and it's pathetic. Utterly pathetic. How many of you folks out there have had the displeasure of watching female friends make horrible mistakes because even though they know/like you, they somehow always forget that there's more to humans than physical appearance when they're out "picking their mate" for the night? I've got quite a few friends who are women, and it really hurts sometimes to watch them get screwed over by poor choices. One has a baby by a man who, while he was "attractive" and good looking to her, chose to bail out on her and abandon both her and the baby. Fortunately she's got quite a few geek friends (myself included) and caring parents who've all pitched in to help, but it still hurts us all to know she's going to be in this position for life now. Another has gotten involved with a fine young man with only a "slight" over-protectiveness problem. You know, just minor things like calling her every 1/2 hour to check up on her, checking the caller ID every night when he gets home, and being very suspicious of any other men who dare to speak to her. And he certainly doesn't like any of us :). The sad part is, we barely ever get to see her anymore -- he's absorbed her almost completely and doesn't let her out to play very often :(. I don't think I'll ever figure out how women choose their mates. If you try to argue that it's all biological, and that women pick the best-looking guys because their instincts say they're the best bet for healthy offspring, it almost makes sense except that those are the men least likely to really be able to provide for and take of any offspring. They're the kind you find in trailer parks in their mid-thirties with cars up on blocks. Most other species don't "pair up" like that -- the father impregnates and bails, leaving the mother to care for offspring. Of course, most other species don't need to *buy* food, shelter, and supplies for their children, either. And I think we all know most women don't look to hard at the intellect part. It's just really sad, and I'm not entirely sure there's a good solution to it. :(
Read my stuff.
I read that, and throughout I kept thinking, "Gee, that is *my* girlfriend they are describing."
Personally, I think that the people behind this article have very little self esteem if they think geeks are sub-people. But that is pretty obvious anyways.
-- DrZaius - Minister of Sciences and Protector of the Faith
I loved this story. Let me just say that I have been a proud WWN reader for a couple of months now, and highly recommend it to anyone who likes The Onion. WWN is not so obviously a satirical publication, as the onion, but it is lampooning itself constantly. Every issue, I'm afraid that the cover story will be "WWN Staff admits WWN is a hoax. Longest running joke in America finally comes clean. Noted Experts baffled." For the uninitiated, read Dear Dotti and Ed Anger. You wont be disappointed.
Foofboy.
Noted Expert.
Isn'tattracting Geeks a good thing? We make good money and are atleast not dumb....
Rule of Life Number 2: Remember, it can all go to hell at any minute. --Jimmy Buffet
Then again, some of us geeks have black belts in Tae-Kwon-Do...
You will not drink with us, but you would taste our steel? - Walter Matthau, The Pirates
maybe you're all aliens and I just didn't notice.
It's good to read if you're in need of a good laugh.
Cheers,
he used to play this apropos song
(from memory, parts may be wrong)
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Oh mi God! You little geek
get away before I freak
I'm the queen of babe's supreme
and you'll only see me in your dreams
I'm too hot too hot too hot for you!
Ha ha ha don't make me laugh
I want a whole man, not a half
You wet your pant, I'm so sure
too bad wimpitis has no cure
I'm too hot too hot too hot for you!
You ugly, stupid, zippy scum,
you ask me out, you MUST be dumb!
You can beg until your blue
but your not even fit to like my shoe
I'm too hot too hot too hot for you!
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Chuck
try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
I thought he was talking about Michael J. Fox in Back to the Future in which case it IS Marty. Who's George?
Chuck
try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
Take up martial arts. No geek is going to think they have a chance in Hell with a six-time Karate champion (like Tove Torvalds), or a black belt in Tae Kwon Do (like Catherine Raymond).
Finding God in a Dog
Wow. Finally, Slashdot cites an actual reliable journal reference. THE WWN is one of the best journals this side of the atlantic. You wont find news more relavent to our lifestyle anywhere else. For example, in the October 12 issue:
*We find that this winter will be the worst winter ever, because the Bible predicts it.
*Cuba's communist leader Fidel Castro shocks the world by mooning his dinner guests
*Info on wether you are being spied on by a peeping tom
*A kickass page 5 girl (All pg.5s in WWN issues have a bikini clad girl)
*Prevent cancer by urinating every hour
*Exercising when you are angry can kill you, says new Yale study
*Heartworms found in humans
*Narrow faced folks more likely to be shy
*Biblical tree of life found in Iraq (?)
*Boy hangs himself so kid sister can have his liver
*112-year-old's secret: A quart of whicky and 3 packs of cigarettes - EVERY DAY!
*Early americans were all drunks - even the kids!
*Washington think tanks are riddled with space aliens
*Special: the Craziest royals who ever lived!
*Dad's a lion, mom's a tiger.. so baby is 1000-lb 12-ft LIGER!
*Getting caught in the rain makes you stupid
*Girl,9,wins national beer drinking contest
*New ultrasound device makes people's heads explode (OVER THE PHONE!)
And of course.. the requisite
*End of the WORLD is near(?) (says secrent govt. report)
With all this completely relavent factual material, is there _ANY_ question the WWN has so many faithful readers all over the world? I didnt even mention Dotti their advice columnist, or Sarena Sabak, their truly gifted pshychic.
Have you discovered the WWN yet?
-Laxative
I hear talking, but I see no dancing! -Pokey
One of the best christmas gifts I've ever given (to my sister and brother in law, or to anyone for that matter) was a 3 month subscription to the Weekly World News. Rita told me that it was the most embarrassing thing to go down and pick up the mail in her apartment building ... her neighbors all had subscriptions to the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, etc. Meanwhile, there was their mail ... BAT BOY ESCAPES!!! Jim, on the other hand, though it was a hilarious gift, and especially liked his weekly dose of "Ed Anger."
... it served as a weekly reminder of our love for them ... or something like that :-)
Plus, it's really cheap. I think that the subscription cost about $15.00. Plus
Amazing advice ...
... only laugh when something genuinely amuses you.
... because being happy attracts the wrong sort of people -- you might wind up in a happy relationship -- instead of the "Leonardo DeCaprio" fantasy relationship you're after.
...
... [like] "Aw, I don't know," ... or "Gee, I'm not sure"
... which is about the only avenue of communication you are leaving open, and the only interest you are expressing.
:-) Luckily, she has found this book that is going to change her life. There she stands, breasts thrust forward. Afraid to adjust her skirt, which has ridden up her butt, for fear of looking like she's afraid of not being accepted, trying desperately to look unamused and aloof, pretending she knows everything.
:-)
"Far too many women think it's just bad luck that the only men who ask them out are nerdy nobodies with pocket protectors and pants cuffs that stop just below the knees.
Not just a stereotype, but an UGLY stereotype. Better listen to her advice, or you might find yourself stuck married to someone who turns out to be a scientist or engineer!
WALK WITH YOUR SHOULDERS BACK AND YOUR HEAD UP
Of course! This will make your breasts stick out like a pair of headlights. This will help attract men who are interested in your breasts. That's a start!
Putting your shoulders forward is a mild cue that says that you're approachable. Walking with your shoulders back and head up has the opposite effect of making yourself appear aloof and uninterested.
This will help drive away those "losers" who might be interested in you as a friend first -- and attract the men who are primarily interested in the challenge posed by your outthrust breasts.
After all, you're deliberately putting out strong signals that you aren't interested, and then dating those men who deliberately ignore those signals, right?
Now that you've started out your relationship by rewarding him for disrespecting your subliminal signals, what other signals is he going to ignore?
"Date Rape Magnet," anyone?
AVOID NERVOUS GIGGLING -- Women who laugh when they're uncomfortable look vulnerable
Yes. Never attempt to defuse an uncomfortable situation with giggling or laughter. It might give the impression that you are a tolerant person, and attract other tolerant "losers."
Don't smile, giggle or laugh just because you're happy
Plus, the unamused look on your face will help him to concentrate on your forward-thrust breasts.
After all, it's not like this advice is going to get you someone who is interested in your personality anyway, so you might as well keep your eyes on the prize
BANISH WISHY-WASHY PHRASES FROM YOUR CONVERSATION
Heaven forbid you should ever admit that you are unsure about anything or might be in any way fallable. This will just make yourself less desirable as a sexual object, and attract the sort of "losers" who readily admit when they aren't sure about something.
You'll be much better off in a relationship where neither of you can or will ever say "I don't know". Let us all know how your first argument works out.
Speak with confidence and cultivate phrases like "Without a doubt," "Yes, absolutely," and "Let's go for it."
Especially when he propositions you for sex
DON'T ADJUST YOUR CLOTHING TOO MUCH -- This simple habit sends the message: "I'm not sure I'll be accepted" -- just the news the weirdos want to hear. They'll flock to you in droves.
This is so funny. I have a picture of a poor girl trying all this advice. All her girlfriends have great looking athletic boyfriends majoring in "general studies", but the only guys who are interested in here are those pathetic looking chemical engineering students and computer science majors. (Hey, I can toss around the stereotypes with the best of them
Meanwhile, the guys with IQs over 100 are keeping a mile away from this obvious pretentious fraud,
and she wonders why the guys who she meets all look good and sound confident at first, but after a while she finds out that they're, gosh, pretentious frauds.
Following this advice will definitely keep the "geeks" away from you. They're too busy looking for honest, friendly relationships to put up with more then about 10 seconds of fake crap.
In my experience, "geeks" are acutely aware of rejection signals, and shy away from people who radiate them. They are also accepting people, and are drawn towards other accepting people.
So if you feel that geeks are attracted to you, maybe it's because you're putting out signals that you're interested in them. Maybe you should stop listening to people, like this author, who denegrate them, and listen to yourself instead, because following this bad advice is just going to make you hate yourself in the long run.
From my little soapbox
- John
> 1) this guy can't financially support himself, much less a family. ("cool" adds nothing to a job resume, you know.)
This seem to imply that women should better go for the rich men only.
And nobody thinks professional wrestling is real.
And nobody thinks the letters to Penthouse Forum are real.
And nobody thinks the government might have anything other than our best interests in mind.
And nobody thinks slashdot polls reflect the real world.
And...
As much as I hate to reply to my own post and as much as I appreciate the kind karma points , it almost seems like we need a new moderation category for these kinds of topics.
Anyone for a "Bitter" category?
-LjM
Yeah, lord knows women wouldn't wanna attract intelligent, successful, sensitive guys with a real solid future ahead of 'em.
What a bunch of bow-tie wearin' cowlicked losers we are.
-LjM
Go read some archives of the USENET group alt.seduction.fast. Interesting group of people. You don't need to be a jerk to attract women, you just need to outwardly display the qualities (in jerks) that women go for.
Sorry dude, she was there, but I got her. :)
...
:)
She's a college girl. She cooks for me (even though I'm a damn fine cook myself). She wants me to help here learn C++ and PERL. I don't spend much time on IRC, so she doesn't either. And, she listens to StaticX, Type O, Metallica,
And she's a 5 foot one redhead. With no freckles. I don't like freckles
cool" -> "people person"
"arrogant macho attitude" -> "leadership potential"
Okay, I buy that - It might even be instinctual. Back when Og met Augustus it made sense. Does it now? I'll let you know after Y2K.
I'd like to add assertiveness. Poor Charlie Brown, so wishy-washy. But is that really the type of person you want to be with for the rest of your life?
You know there must be a happy medium between introverted spineless nerd, and a brainless egotistical jerkoff - I'm still looking for it, however...
He,hehe ..
I like you.
Unfurtunately, I am almost "dashingly handsome"
and since you seem not to care about this, I will stop here...
:-)
What happened to the "90's", this new era of balance and tolerance??
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This is the result of young women who take their ideals from things like MTV, and Baywatch, and the like. Being raised by television, appearance is the #1 thing they are concered about.
I attend college at a famous party school. I'm a geek. I know tons of guys who, from my limited knowledge, chicks dig. But they're also the people who are as dumb as posts, and wait in line to throw up after a hard night of partying in the dorms. Is this good? These people have been living the same life since middle school.
You know the type, we all do, the people who barely scrape by in grades, have been drinking since age 13, are statistically more likely to get into hard drugs, and who's brains are about as well developed as a chimps. While the geek's idea of a romantic night may be to show a girl his bug collection, at least he HAS some concept of romance. Most of the guys who fit these profiles ADMIT they want sex. As soon as possible. As often as possible. They reduce the dating process to a race to see how fast they can get in the woman's pants.
I dunno. Is this romantic? Maybe, being a geek, I'm just too outa touch.
Not to say, that I, being my geekly self, am any better. I'm just the opposite of the spectrum. But what young women are being taught these days, is that since appearance is what counts, go for appearance, and anything else is bad. Sex, parties, and good clothes, they are taught, are what drive the world. While this is certainly not a hard rule, the media (*cough*MTV*cough*) certainly would like us to THINK that.
Whats even more ironic, I think, is that that article, to me, described many traits that my friends and I thought were "good" to find in a woman. And we're geeks.
What do the women of slashdot have to say to this?
And what about all the fine women who are happily married to a geek. Where do they enter this simple 10 step plan to attract the perfect man?
As usual, we see yet another example of how depressing American Culture really can be. Leave the geeks to drive MOST of America's economy (look at the stats on America's GNP, it's not bodybulding that keeps us comfortable), but shun them, because they're BAD. So bad we made a program to keep them from approching you! Be warned, ladies, if you slump your shoulders, us geeks will SWARM you!
Yep, this makes tons of sense. Thanks, America. Yet again shafting those who support you. No historical patterns here, eh?
- Paradox
Man of the C!!!
perl -e "print join q( ), split(q.z.
Slashdot. It's Not For Common Sense
That was probally the single most stupid and insulting thing I have ever read. I don't know about anyone else here, but I've never shown a girl my bug collection, come to think of it I don't have one. Although I have beaten a few girls at nintendo.
I'm curious though, what do other geeks find attractive in the female gender.
Here's my ideal (read non-existant) girl in some order of importance:
-intelligent: I like to be able to have conversations with girls that actually make me think.
-nice: Who wants a bitchy girl?
-geek: I can dream, can't I?
-enjoys quiet nights on irc: Bonus points if she knows what IRC stands for.
-likes punk rock-ish music: If she likes Britaney Spears she's out.
And now we enter the oh so important physical characteristics.
-about 3 or 4 inches shorter than me (I'm 5'8").
-red hair
-freckels
Oh and the part that makes here 100% not real.
-she's just plain goofy for 5'8" geeks who are slightly over-weight wear flannel and have purple hair.
-matt
If that's really the case, then come on over to Japan, where sweet, attractive girls will fall over themselves to meet you.
If you're caucasian, of course.
Sad, but true: basically any guy who comes over here (all you need is a degree -- any degree -- to teach English) picks up a Japanese girlfriend. Many eventually marry her. I did.
You see, whether deserved or not, foreign men have a reputation for being more sensitive and attentive than Japanese men. Also, because of the institutionalized sexism here, there are LOTS of women who would like to live overseas.
Is this good? I don't know. Maybe not. But it's true.
Graham
Hard styles are just vicious! :)
Sure, it's a fake newspaper written to be funny, but it just doesn't match the Onion. It's more like your basic tabloid with less celebrity gossip/paparazzi type stuff. It's a bunch of fake articles meant to sound plausible, like this one here. There is not much real wit behind it and it caters to a much shallower audience.
The Onion, on the other hand, is often genius, or at least wacky enough to really draw a laugh. It is more appreciated by people with a brain and its writers do a good job of savagely skewering practically anything or anyone. Every sentence in its articles can be savored for its double meaning and irony so thick you can cut it with a knife.
Yes, this article is a joke. No, it isn't well written, and it's not all that funny.
--
grappler
Vidi, Vici, Veni
Yeah, but among geeks, we all know that Flynn really refers to a character in Tron.
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As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
Forget about the geek aspect of the article, and it's not too bad. I remember back in my dating days that there was little that turned me off as much as a girl who had no self esteem. Women who have self confidence are more likely to be successful in many areas of life, including dating. Sure, there may be a few guys out there who get scared of confident women, but for the most part, those aren't the guys that women really want to end up with anyway.
"Cause there's 40 different shades of black, so many fortresses and ways to attack, so why you complainin'?"
Oh come on people, why do you even bother taking anything that WWN prints personally? This isn't even worthy of discussion. Nobody in their right mind reads these rags and believes one word of 'em... besides, would you want to date someone who read one of these rags and believed anything it said anyways?
These rags are by nature contrarian... they only consider subjects as fair targets when they become mainstream. And guess what? Geeks are mainstream now. We're successful, we're flush with cash, and lots of women consider us prime marriage material. We're easy to housebreak, we don't stray, and we don't treat women like trash. All that and a pocketful of stock options to boot.
I got married in August to someone who's entirely the opposite of a geek.. she's an artist, and part of the things she likes most about me is my geek nature... because she views that "sensitivity" (there's a loaded 90's word) as a plus, and she likes intelligence. And here's another news flash... she's NOT in the minority. More and more women are getting sick and damned tired of being treated like pieces of trash by various self-absorbed loser jock types and have decided to do exactly what this article states. They've decided to QUIT letting people walk all over them, they've decided to STAND UP for themselves, and DEMAND that they be treated as they deserve.
The funny thing is that as soon as they start doing all those things, THAT is when they realize that a nice geek is EXACTLY what they've been wanting.
-- Gary F.
I am extremely attracted to:
- Girls who WALK WITH THEIR SHOULDERS FORWARD AND THEIR HEADS DOWN
- Girls who FREQUENTLY ENGAGE IN NERVOUS GIGGLING
- Girls who FREQUENTLY USE WISHY-WASHY PHRASES IN THEIR CONVERSATION
- and girls who ADJUST THEIR CLOTHING TOO MUCH
Yes siree Bob, as a bona-fide geeky loser I find these extremely attractive, which causes a lot of friction with my fiance (which I inexplicably have) when she fails to exhibit these charecteristics. I feel this article is a serious challenge to my way of life, as I may run out of girls to fantasize about now!And of course, this is 100% true; the Weekly World News hath spoken.
Thank goodness THOSE little pearls of wisdom were let loose on society at large!
:->
I mean, really. How do rags like that stay in business? Are there REALLY that many bored housewives out there in middle America?
You'll note that all the info in the story was masterfully obvious. The question I have is: will they do a follow-up on "How Geeks can attract Chicks"?
46. The Hobo smiles, his eyes glaze over, and he burps. "Beware the man who has lived longer than the Wasteland."
So, if I go for a woman who holds her head up and doesn't giggle, then I won't have to put up with competition from other geeks. Then after I impress her with my vast knowledge of the Periodic Table, I'll be in like Flynn.
Bwhahahahaha!
That's cause the smart ones avoid manipulative types like him :)
I think I'll by a copy for use as bathroom reading material...
I am tempted to agree, but I think we need to wait until the book actually comes out so we can see how soft and fluffy the pages are. A lot of the books by pop psychology hacks are printed on paper that feels like steel wool when you put it to the appropriate use.
"Really?!"
--neil
You're like those assholes who pick up on college and high school aged women, sweet talk them till they'll screw you, and then throw them away.. because, you weren't really serious, and they should have "known that then they entered the relationship"
"How to hook up with a surly construction worker, who will probably eventually beat you, but has a cute butt" Floppy ears... Bite me.
Err.. I'm not sure about others, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to be with someone who "just put out".
Though some hackers led somewhat active social lives, the key figures in TMRC-PDP hacking had locked themselves into what would be called 'bachelor mode.' It was easy to fall into -- for one thing -- as opposed to the hopelessly random problems in a human relationship -- which made hacking particularly attractive. But an even weightier factor was the hackers' impression that computing was much more
Hacking had replaced sex in their lives."
- Steven Levy, Hackers - Heroes of the computer revolution
I don't understand what this person is talking about. True nerds are very strong in character. A true nerd would say, "Who needs women when the latest demo of Quake 3 is about to be released." Strong willed indeed!
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InstantCool
Isn't also a bad stereotype to use the word nerd to refer only to men. I know plenty of females that would call themselves nerds... and they're proud of it too.
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InstantCool
agreed.
given a choice between a geek and a jock, give me a geek anyday.
recursion is much more interesting then football anyways.
- a woman who giggles (and cackles)
I don't think anyone reads the WWN and takes it seriously. Really.
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You're over analizing the individual steps and totally ignoring the whole. Put all those traits
together, and what do you see? A confident woman.
--quote--
No... I would see a woman who was pretending to be confident.
Truly confident people don't really show it in ordinary situations. Truly confident people aren't afraid to say that they don't know. Truly confident people aren't afraid to adjust their clothing if it needs adjusting.
In other words, a truly confident person will fall approximately half-way between these two extremes.
Easy, ride a bike!
;-)
Preferably an italian one, like Ducati or Moto Guzzi.
Be prepared, itll change you.
And theyll be after you
Oh, come on! You're guilty of the exact same crime of which you are accusing the author! I can count on one hand the number of geek friends that I had in college who *weren't* complete jerks. The majority of them exhibited the same personality charactaristics as the rest of the population. I don't think you can say that every geek is a sensitive, shy, gold mine of a find. I would have loved to find a geekgrrl to settle down with, but I found out that just because she digs code, she isn't above pulling the same stuff that your Shallow Beautiful Women. I was fortunate enough to find a Biology major, whom I am marrying in 2 weeks, to settle down with. The point of this rambling is that you can't assume that every geek, or even most geeks are princes. Just like you can't assume that all Jocks are asses...
Beren
It is a fact that 85% of "adults" live their lives emotionally as children. So, statistically we do live in a country of children.
Are we as a nation really this immature? It boggles the mind. I thought this painfully moronic discrimination only went on in my high school.
-Stand up straight and don't slouch--Honestly. If you slouch, you're sure to be revealed as a habitual rocker (I, for one, rock while typing, ala autistic) and a code junkie. Listen up, girls. You DON'T want to have anything to do with these code-writing ninnies. They make money, but so what? They're sensitive and articulate, but so what?
-Nervous giggling? Generally those girls who giggle nervously and incessantly are cheerleaders. And generally the jocks date the cheerleaders, out of common interest and brain mass. (Not all atheletes are stupid; but it DOES seem the stereotype fits here, does it not?)
-Wishy-washy phrases? Again, geeks are NOT attracted to a woman who is inarticulate. If she speaks her mind, uses large words, displays a firm grasp of technology, and knows when to shut up, she's well on her way to finding a good geek guy.
-Don't adjust your clothing too much? Sheez. When you wear baggy jeans and T-shirts like I do, there's not a lot of frilly stuff to adjust. I stomp into the room in my black steel-toed boots, sit, cross my legs, (in some cases make sure the cuffs of my pants are covering the top of my boots--geek girls suffer from high-water pants too) and I'm done with the ordeal.
Prep girls, though, you know the ones, the makeup-plastered hair-dyed wispy beings that date the football players, come in half-tripping over ridiculously high-heeled shoes that barely stay on. Then they have to adjust their disgustingly short skirts so when they sit down they don't ride or pull, etc. They then have to make sure their twin sweater sets are sitting correctly, make sure their posture is stiff as a board so that nothing rides up. In some cases, they have to make sure their retro-moronic capri pants are covering their knees, and THEN they have to check the makeup. (I don't wear much, just a lot of black eye makeup that never comes off so I don't worry about it) make sure their fingernail polish isn't flaking (I never wear the stuff--it flakes off when I dig inside computers, and that CANNOT be good for motherboards) check the makeup again, make sure their hair is in place, and continue the entire ritual every five minutes. And THESE are the girls the JOCKS are attracted to.
This makes me sick. Geeks are not pieces of meat to be bandied about as "Steve Urkel garbage"...they're highly intelligent, sensitive individuals and this kind of garbage just turns my stomach.
Can't sleep, the clowns will eat me...
I've been a faithful WWN reader for well over ten years ago - I remember when it was much cheaper and much bigger... Anyway, interesting tidbit - a friend of mine in college went down to Florida to try to get interviews with the WWN staff for a piece she was writing. When it came time to meet with Mr. Ed Anger ("My America") she was surprised to find that "he" was a woman - a lesbian, in fact. WWN is one of the biggest and best satirical publications ever, ruthlessly mocking the very people that gobble it up as "reporting" every week. Dig it.
How to date the kind of guy you want to date
How about asking him out yourself?
Ok, so we're at the end of the twentieth century and it still isn't considered acceptable for a girl to ask out a guy?!!!
I'd hoped that feminism had moved us on from there a little.
In the meantime, here's a little article that will be sadly familiar to the rest of us sad losers who still can't get that girl to like them. :-P
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To hell with you, I never liked you, you are no friend of mine...
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To hell with you, I never liked you, you are no friend of mine...
You missed one very good supporting argument - Trinity!
This has been a geek trend for a LONG time. Read some older scifi (Heinlein will do nicely - just avoid the movie versions like the plague. Friday was my favorite.). Brillian amazonian types definitely dominate.
I learned years ago the crucial secret of the Weekly World News. It's not real news. It doesn't think it is. With vague "sources" and interviews, just about the only folks left who could actually take these stories seriously are those who still think actual people write in those letters to Penthouse Forum from small Midwestern colleges.
... or so the WWN would tell us.
The brilliance of the WWN, though, is that it's incredibly subversive. It neatly packages up stale, outdated urban legends into cautionary tales that make folks feel better about themselves after they've read it. And if they improve themselves, they feel even better because, heck, "I done read it in thuh News."
The base concept of this article is "Gals! Here's how to make yourself look and feel more self-confident." But that sentiment alone isn't going to be noticed, not in a world full of gal mags with ludicrous articles like "Tone Your Buttocks While Watching TV" and "10 Steps To Giving Him A Better Orgasm" (on second thought, maybe that article ain't such a bad idea.)
At any rate, what the WWN has done has taken these "tips" (however general they can be) and given them a different slant. Gals! Here's how to improve yourself so you don't get hit on by nerds!
Never mind the fact that the "nerd" stereotype so expertly described hasn't surfaced since "Saved By The Bell" went off the air. Never mind the fact that "Dr. Rachel Carmotta" does not seem to exist (at least, not in Altavista or Google's eyes) nor there does not seem to be any information available about her upcoming book, neither.
Then there's their old chesnut, angry right-wing columnist Ed Anger, whose rants are written with such wonderful satire inherent that it really puts The Onion to shame. And, like wrestling fans, the idiots of the world flock to Ed and claim him as their hero
The Weekly World News appears to be totally concerned feeding folks the same kind of odd information most rational people would just brush off. But just what group is behind all this subversive behavior? Maybe someday I'll open up the WWN and see the fnords.
Someone should tell this so-called expert on geeks that, like, pocket protectors went out with thick black plastic-rimmed glasses back in '88.
Rob: Please keep WWN (and Enquirer, or whatever other well-known cruft some of your editors like to read) on the checkout line shelf and away from moderately intelligent people. TIA.
Terrorists can attack freedom, but only Congress can destroy it.
Yeah, man, I'm sick of reading comments /. about what we can do to improve the
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on
image of geeks in the eyes of the ladies.
FSCK THAT! Finally someone who will
fight back! Someone who is willing to lead
the crusade against those horrible, predatory
computer dorks. Everybody knows they prey on
women like a coyote after a roadrunner. Those
computer geeks are worse than the frat boys.
I say we back them up!!! There's no reason
why geeks should be allowed female companionship.
That's just completely absurd. Geeks aren't human
and don't have feelings and LADIES, don't ever
let one of us robotic apes tell you otherwise.
We're worthless and we don't deserve trim.
this has been sarcasm
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Didn't these people ever watch the fine documentary Revenge of the Nerds?
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It clearly shows that geeks, not burdened by an obsession with athletics, are stallion-esque
love machines. These people... so ill-informed.
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This is obviously yet another FBI, CIA, NSA attack on open source geeks.
We're on to you bastards!
Mark
I'm a firm believer in evolutionary biology as a way of explaining (and predicting) peoples behaviors (especially sexual). Experimenting with a few of the theories, I've gone from creepy nobody freshman, to the senoir hugbunny for the freshman girls. It's really kind of amazing.
I'd just like to say that a lot of the advice this writer gave to girls applies to us guys too. (The only difference being that insecure men don't attract geeky girls-they don't attract any.)
After a lengthey philosophical debate with myslef, I concluded that procreation the highest purpose of our existance, and that success is simply a goal programmed into us to increase those chances. I changed my goal from just learning all computer knowledge to becoming attractive.
I used to go through weeks of school without saying a word; now I talk in every period to people. I used to simply leave girls be; now I talk to them, hug them, and and jake with them. I decided to get A's and lose the gut (as firm as it was).
It worked, they were attracted to fit, successfull, confident people.
WHY SOME GALS ATTRACT GEEKS LIKE A MAGNET
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Single gals: If you're trying to attract Mr. Right but find yourself constantly surrounded by geeky oddballs, you can improve your life just by making some simple changes in the way you walk, talk and behave!
That's the word from Dr. Rachel Carmotta, a psychologist specializing in romantic relationships.
In her new book How To Find Your Handsome Prince Without Involving Yourself With Frogs, Dr. Carmotta writes: "Far too many women think it's just bad luck that the only men who ask them out are nerdy nobodies with pocket protectors and pants cuffs that stop just below the knees.
"You know the kind I mean -- the ones whose idea of a magic evening is one in which they show you their bug collection and beat you at Nintendo all night.
"But the truth is that there's no coincidence involved. women must learn to accept that who we attract depends about 95 percent upon the image we project to the world.
"So if you have your heart set on Leonardo DiCaprio but find yourself buried in valentines from Steve Urkel, maybe it's time you started behaving differently."
Here, from her fascinating book, are just a few of Dr. Carmotta's tips on how you can attract the kind of men you want:
WALK WITH YOUR SHOULDERS BACK AND YOUR HEAD UP -- Believe it or not, if you habitually walk slumped over with your eyes to the ground, this tiny change can dramatically alter the kinds of men who approach you. The nerdy dude with the cowlick and bow tie doesn't have the self-esteem to try to date a woman who projects cool self- confidence.
AVOID NERVOUS GIGGLING -- Women who laugh when they're uncomfortable look vulnerable and can easily give these desperate wimps the idea that they have a chance. It's okay to laugh, of course. But only laugh when something genuinely amuses you.
BANISH WISHY-WASHY PHRASES FROM YOUR CONVERSATION -- Losers are drawn to insecure women like nails to a magnet. When they hear you say, "Aw, I don't know," or "Whatever you think," or "Gee, I'm not sure," their big floppy ears perk up like Pop Tarts from a toaster.
Speak with confidence and cultivate phrases like "Without a doubt," "Yes, absolutely," and "Let's go for it." You'll soon find yourself among men with strong character who respect strength in others.
DON'T ADJUST YOUR CLOTHING TOO MUCH -- This simple habit sends the message: "I'm not sure I'll be accepted" -- just the news the weirdos want to hear. They'll flock to you in droves.
Of course, you should be careful about your appearance, but don't overdo it.
Dr. Carmotta's book will hit the stores in mid-December.
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Gonzo Granzeau
Gonzo Granzeau
"Nothing the god of biomechanics wouldn't let you into heaven for.." -Roy Batty
Ok, well, I can't get any at all, but every guy who's ever attempted to flirt with me has been...err, average.
Those guys, IMO, are boring, average, and not usually as smart and clever as a "guy with a pocket protector." Where are all the good pocket protector guys?!
My friends think I have extremely weird taste in men, but I think they have rather dull and ordinary taste in men...give me a geek anytime : )
And I do do that nervous laugh thing...I do everything they described in the article naturally out of self-confidence...then again, it is the Weekly World News...
miyax
True. My girl was ANTI-computer... when I met her she was almost a luddite. I got her interested by showing her my povray code, and some perl scripts and explained to her how math and algorithms are a poetry in there own right. I told her about the FSF and she *almost* respects it ;-) I actually got her to telnet into my box to use dadadodo from her own request!
Ok from what I can tell from the excerpts, that has got to be the sorriest piece of "literature" I've run across in a long time. Could it have fallen victim to any more stereotypical preconceptions about "nerds" while at the same time, re-affirming those who buy into them? What a farce.
Yeah, let's teach our daughters that there is something inherently wrong with a person who is more interested in something they truly enjoy rather than their social class or outer appearance.
Let's all teach 'em to go after the QB of the football team so they can end up on the business end of a 2x8 while their drunken former football hero husband beats them like a piñata because the double-wide isn't clean when he came home from his long day at the rock quarry.
Indeed, I am a moron. Actually, I wasn't. Familiar. sigh...
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Silly rabbit. Sleep is for class!
I have never seen a larger cesspool of discrimination. That woman appears to attribute the title "loser" to anyone with a pocket protector or a bug collection -- read, "interesting". That's nothing abnormal, though. The remarkable thing about the article is the author. I find it extremely hard to believe that someone over the age of 13 could possibly justify that kind of thinking, much less propogate it. That's very sad to me. We live in a nation of children.
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Silly rabbit. Sleep is for class!
Jeez, now look the message this two-cent pile of crap is sending the world. This is the stuff that makes so no semi-intelligent man could ever reproduce and bless the world with a small amount of "brains." And they wounder why the world is slowly filling up with dumb people and sycos.
-D0n'+ h$+3 M3 b3C0u5e 1'M 4 1337 Hax0R!-
Don't you know - nerds shy away from mirrors.
Isn't "well-adjusted geek" an oxymoron?
Girls will literally went gaga with you even if you only have a 386 PC, much more if you have an Internet connection...And all of this stuff is particularly true in this forestland we called the PHILIPPINES
In other words the whole issue is very strongly cultural.
I told him that he should send me some source code, and I would see if he was worth my time. ;-) Well, *his* code was fairly lame, but it gave rise to my awesome "send me source code" dating scheme, from which I have received many very clever code samples over time.
Interestingly have you ever had people ask for code from you. Also following this logic what would you call people who make their code publically available?
For anyone who took this article seriously and thinks that women don't seek out geeks:
;P
I just got my undergrad degree in Computer Science this May. I was talking with my stepmother about how I should warn my 20-year-old sister about a couple of my co-graduates who'd probably hit on her (you know the type: the lab monkey who hits on every freshman chick to enter the lab). She replied, "Forget that! I told her to go for any of them! She'll be set for life!"
So there you go!
I resent this...I wear the "cool chic clothes", and while I don't drive a 4x4, I drive a '99 Honda Civic, dropped 2", with custom body kit and touring wing and..err, anyways back on topic, just because a guy has a big truck (or tight car) and wears "cool chic clothes" makes them any less of a geek damnit :P
Just this woman's opinion but, I could never truly respect a man who doesn't demonstrate some intellectual traits of a life form higher than your average couch-vegetable. My father was a bespectacled, pocket-protector wearing, multiple degreed geek, the very coolest kind. He knew the answers to all my homework, and filled several rooms of the house with his electronic workshop. We learned to solder and strip wires in the living room. I think that no woman should settle for less.
Or why not shoot for the moon -- a brilliant, beautiful girl with a heart of gold and a voice like a faery princess? Why must it be one or the other? Why not have everything? Plenty of these girls exist, and their standards are more often than not above the typical "girls like jerks" stuff.
It may seem like a lofty goal, but take heart. If you're an intelligent, caring, good person, you're already in the top 5% of the population. :)
Smooth talker....
Information wants to be beer.
Posting this article on a website was clearly a tactical error. Armed with this new knowledge, thousands of geeks will swarm the singles bars looking for non-clothing adjusting, non-giggly, head and shoulders high, affirmative stating women.
Or maybe that's just what they WANT us to do.
gnfnrf
Let the flames begin...
What a bunch of bow-tie wearin' cowlicked losers we are.
While reading this, I thought to myself: The only reason I can figure as to why this was posted on slashdot is to make fun of the stupid people who would read something like this and think 'Wow! I'm going to get all the hunks now!' because who, in their right mind, would want someone who didn't have a mind of their own?
I realize that a comment like that implies that only "nerds" have brains and that all the people that this piece targets women for are "brainless [jocks]," but that's not exactly what I'm implying. I'm not trying to stereotype anyone or discriminate, (and yes, it still sounds like I am), but I personally would _want_ some guy like they're describing (bug collection, Nintendo).. not necessarily that exact description, but someone who has interests of their own, explores alternate possibilities, and enjoys gaming (it's fun! you guys know this!). Therefore, I rather think that we should *cough* at this piece, laugh it up, and move on with our lives knowing we're better than that.
Fish! They're all fish!
Insert mind here.
"brain of trout" --...--> "suit"
ya, that all makes sense to me now...
Something said or done to provoke laughter.
Since when did you spell 'point' 'f', 'r', 'e', 'a', 'k' ?
It was probably not as long ago as the last time you comprehended a good joke.
D'oh!
LouZiffer
Weekly world new. I read them when i'm in line at grocey store. They have most unrealist bullshite news. but give me something to do waiting for someone who paying for their food worth of 10 dollar with a credit card.
More pop psychology fluff -- and this stuff is way off the mark. Sure, if every intelligent, educated technical-minded person were, say, Marty McFly , this might be true. But how many of us actually are? And even for those of use with cowlicks and glasses (yes, I'm guilty, though I don't wear bow ties nor pocket protectors), that doesn't mean we don't have a chance with beautiful women. Granted, if a guy gets a date and shows her his stamp collection then wants to play Nintendo, he may not be the best catch. But just because I'm a networking geek and get off on mathematics doesn't mean my life ends there. Like a lot of other techies out there, I can dance, appreciate music, have a good time with people from other walks of life (gasp! shock!) In fact, I'm just one of many well-adjusted geeks. This is the most ridiculous piece of dating advice I've seen in a long time.
;> ) and so I don't have to worry about the dating scene anymore. My opinions may therefore be altered by this. 'Course, I just think it makes me more objective...
Disclaimer: I recently married a sexy Latina (hehehe jealous ain't ya?
"You can never have too many elephants on your team."
but...but...geeks are so much more fun than "normal" guys!
I'd much prefer a geek than a jock. Intelligence, marketable skills, interests in common...
Silly woman.
I mostly agree with you...
:)
But I'd like to point out that tho the majority of geeks I've encountered have been direct, sensitive and fun, some of them still have that "gotta be macho" attitude that's such a turn-off to a chick with a brain.
Not all women are created alike (the way I've lived my life is direct evidence against the "chicks like jocks who will treat them badly" idea). But then too, not all geeks are created alike. Sad. I've got a good one tho
) I've often been approached by girls BECAUSE I'm geeky.
Well, yea! I'm sure I'm not the only chick in the world who thinks (f'rinstance) that sysadmining is sexy (oooh, baby).
Think about it: the appealing personality to people like me is one very like mine: someone who's intelligent, someone who'll challenge me. And social evolution (grin) suggests that in the future, the successful people will be geeks. I have no objection to ignoring the societal "norm" for someone who appeals to me, who will fulfill the genuine needs that *I* have--not what society tries to tell me is "cool."
It IS a parody... my new favorite:
Belief #6 -- THINGS ALWAYS WORK OUT FOR THE BEST!
"Quite the contrary, things always work out for the worst," said Dr. Hartley.
"Things might work out okay in the short term," he added. "But in the long run, all things deteriorate, disintegrate or die -- and then something new and different pops up in its place.
"This is the unstoppable nature of reality itself. Nothing gets better. Nothing lasts. This is why everybody fears change and is terrified of the future."
Belief #4 -- FAT PEOPLE ARE JOLLIER THAN SLIM FOLKS!
"Nothing could be further from the truth," said Dr. Hartley. "Studies show that 80 to 85 percent of fat people are terribly unhappy and seldom joke or laugh. They simply do not feel good about themselves.
"A similar belief, that fat people, particularly women, have 'hearts of gold' doesn't jibe with reality, either. Studies indicate that far from being generous, kind and loving, a clear majority of fat people are petty, grasping, greedy, gluttonous and conniving -- hardly traits you would ascribe to someone with a 'heart of gold.'"
I love generalizations... especially nasty ones. However, NOTHING can beat Dear Dotty:
Dear Dotti: I was cleaning my 11-year-old son's room the other day and just happened to peek in his closet. There were 18 women's purses in there, all colors, shapes and sizes. When Billy got home from playing ball I asked him what was going on. Like any teenager, he was angry with me for going into his room. As for the purses, he told me he collects them and that girls give them to him. That doesn't sound quite right but he's my son and I feel like I have to give him the benefit of the doubt. Have you ever heard of anything like this?
-- Susan in D.C.
SUSAN in D.C.
Dear Susan: For starters, stooge, that 11-year-old delinquent you call a son isn't a teenager -- he's a child. And I'm not the only person who thinks he snatched those purses -- the detectives who acted on my tip and arrested him the day after I received your letter agree!
This can't be for real.
Seriously, I'm really into dating coifed professional women, especially those with post-grad degrees, although I'll settle for a countess (1), a model (3), or a lawyer (4) if I'm in a rush.
The fun part is watching WWN women trying to snag the guys with the cool chic clothes and the 4x4, while realizing that if she wants a millionaire, she's barking up the wrong tree. Guys like that dispose of their income, sleep around, and cut out when the going gets rough.
If you want flash, you get trash.
Will in Seattle
Is this the companion volume to The Attractive Woman's Guide To Avoiding Dilbert?
/.
/. If the government wants us to respect the law, it should set a better example.
Should be: How To Repel Smart, Wealthy, Sensitive Men Who Worship The Ground You Walk On and Instead Attract The Blow-Dried, Insensitive, Beer-Swilling, Abusive Jock That You've Always Dreamed Of.
Maybe there should be a companion volume for the guys that the author's profile fits: Jocks: How To Meet Beautiful Women As Shallow As You Are, And How To Keep Them No Matter How Miserable They Get. Subtext: "With Special Section On What To Do About Battered Women's Shelters!"
This thing is like a primer of how to find a bad relationship - base your encounters on your hairdo instead of your wit and empathy.
Makes me want to vomit that most people still think this way in the '90s.
After all, I know I wouldn't want to go out with any woman who took the Weekly World News seriously anyway. I'll just look for women sticking their chest out and uncomfortably suppressing all expressions of enjoyment, and know, "This, sir, is a WWN reader."
1. Read this little thing I made for the Gamecenter.com people. It's a reader-submitted thing, so I added a little something of a game that I wish I could see in stores.
2. Hemos posted this "How Not to Attract Geeks" crap!? Shame on you, Hemos! Does Rob have to get the paddle for bad posts?
3. Will nerds/geeks like us will ever get the proper training to talk to a girl? I can talk to "re-he-heally up there" women like singer/dancer/actress/painter/writer Ute Lemper, but not some girl in the educational equivalent of Siberia.
And I have to say (having dated both geek guys and non-geek guys, along with a couple of geek girls), that geek guys have definite advantages: they are (usually) more creative in bed, they can be incredibly sweet and chivalrous without making it feel like they're putting women down, they usually are OK to take home to the parents, their parents usually like you even if you're a bit strange because they're so happy to SEE their geek offspring with a member of the opposite sex, geek guys fix broken stuff quite well, and best of all they are worth talking to and will engage in conversation about almost anything. My geek boyfriend is wonderful (and, no you can't have either of us)!
"Somebody exploded a letter-bomb today
1.) Live in East Butthole, Tennesee, because
2.) They can't move to a better part of the
country, because
3.) They have no marketable skills, because
4.) They dropped out of school, because
5.) Some mack daddy knocked 'em up, and they were
too stupid to
6.) use birth control or have an abortion. Now
they
7.) weigh over 200 lbs, because they
8.) sit on their ass while they collect a welfare
check, and stuff their mouth full of potato
chips while
9.) watching N'Sync
I'm surprised that women like this attract
losers. Shocked, amazed. My world view has
been shaken to its foundations. I wish 'em luck
following that advice, I really do. Hope it
helps 'em out.
Chicks dig jerks. Why don't they like nice guys like me?
Wrong.
Chicks don't dig jerks. Chicks dig guys with self-confidence. It just so happens that the jerks have a near monopoly on self-confidence, while self-proclaimed "nice guys," are shy and self-deprecating. No girl is going to find out that you're "nice" if you won't even talk to her, or when you do, you come off as insecure and pitiful.
Hold your head up high. Look a girl in the eyes when you talk to her. Don't whine. Be sure of yourself...after all, you are a "nice guy." If you've got the confidence to talk to a woman...REALLY TALK TO HER...and be nice, and attentive, and all those things you claim to be, you WILL meet women.
Be careful, though...if you really are insecure, you're probably not the "nice guy" you think you are. Insecure people do things that truly nice people would never do. You're going to have to check that insecurity at the door to have a good relationship.
In high school and my first couple years of college, I was very shy and insecure. I'm overgeneralizing a bit, but there were three types of young women in my life:
"Most women" who I avoided interacting with,
"Intelligent women" who I respected, and
"Sweet women" who I simply adored, and looked forward to talking to for even just a moment.
So, to keep nerdy guys away, I guess you should do the opposite: project the attitude of not caring about the intellect, and be rude and uncaring at all times.
"I have a lot of time for the nerds of the world, the ones that don't make the cut. I'd hang out with science kids - they can blow things up! I mean, what's cooler than that?" - Tori Amos
Articles such as theirs should be downloadable as AportisDOC files so we have the criteria on hand and know what kind of girls to go for...
....as if.
"The most common element isn't hydrogen, it's stupidity."
Y'all need to get more analogue, kids. This little GEEKJOCK polarity thing is more than sophomoric. What about us bona fide TechnoStuds and our girls/wives??? My wife's world class at calculus, UNIX, Netware, AND magazine-grade beautiful. Ya know, some people can run with Linus and Tchaikovsky, ride horses 'n Harleys, and speak several HUMAN languages. Think about it. Think bigger.
:::Truth, Justice, the American Way, and MiniSkirts::: Ivan in Arizona
This is one of the absolute worst articles I have ever seen. Of course, this is from the same tabloid that says the world is going to end 10 days from now, and then says 10 days later that we were all saved by a miracle. Besides, most women nowadays want the tough guy abusive type.
My Dad once bought an issue of WWN which sported this headline(see subject) not because he believed it, mind, but because it was such a cool headline.
This should tell you the audience that WWN is hoping to attract.. i.e. the anti-geek. Anti-geeks are semi literate people in sub-blue collar jobs (if they can get work at all). They live in wretched, impoverished conditions and are often high school drop-outs with many children. These people have a desire to feel superior to those who are more successful than themselves, especially those who they don't take as role models (aka non-athletic/movie/music stars). I sincerely believe that this magazine is aimed at people who I have a hard time believing can afford Internet access, so I wonder why it was put on the Web. I have pity for people who take WWN seriously (well, pity mixed with a certain amount of contempt.)
Of course, there is always the possibility that WWN writers are geeks, themselves, and that they wrote this as a self-parodying, tongue-in-cheek sort of thing. But then, I've always believed WWN works on two levels, interesting to those who are so ignorant they find it believable and to those who find it so outrageous it cracks them up. (I mean, didn't they have a picture of President Clinton and a space alien on one of their issues? I seem to remember seeing that in a grocery store once.)
All the creatures will die, And all the things will be broken. That's the law of samurai. (Jubai, 1605)
I suggest that the stupid people(like the author of the article) be loocked away on a small island(or make that a very large one) specially designated for the stupid people.
I nominate Australia. It's its own continent, and they've already passed an Internet censorship law, and elected an open racist to Parliament.
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The antidote to bad speech is not censorship, but more speech.
I still wear a pocket-protector!
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
One of the current WWN "Hot Stories"
BERLIN, Germany -- The Earth's rotation is slowing down -- and at the current rate of deceleration it may come to a complete halt within 30 years, scientists warn.
The effect on human life will be devastating as half the planet will eventually be forced to endure endless sunlight and the other is cast into eternal darkness, leading to agricultural catastrophe.
"We are looking at widespread famine, drastic weather changes and almost unimaginable human suffering," declared physicist Dr. Hans Lutge of Germany's prestigious Brekman Institute for the Study of Science, which submitted its findings at a conference held last month in Berlin.
The length of an Earth day has actually been growing steadily longer for eons, the scientists say.
"Earth's tides cause friction that constantly slows the spinning down," said Dr. Lutge. "For the past several million years, the rotation has slowed at a rate of about two milliseconds per century. We estimate that a billion years ago an Earth day was just 20 hours, instead of 24."
But over the past eight months, Earth has been decelerating much more rapidly, for reasons scientists can't explain. Some experts blame years of nuclear tests or other assaults on nature. Whatever the reason, the possible repercussions are frightening.
"All living things including man have a built-in biological clock based on the 24-hour day," explained Dr. Lutge. "As the days grow noticeably longer, both men and animals will become disoriented. In the animal world, breeding patterns, pollination and the like will be thrown out of whack -- some animals such as rats may mate like crazy, while others could die out altogether.
"Our panel of psychologists say that among humans we will probably see widespread depression, sleeping disorders and an increase in both suicidal and homicidal behaviors."
The lengthening days will also have a dramatic effect on Earth's winds.
"It will likely spawn many hypercanes -- hurricanes with winds greater than 1,000 miles an hour, capable of wiping an entire city the size of New York right off the map," the scientist explained.
But the nightmare will really begin when Earth slows down to a dead halt, the experts warn. Half the planet will be scorched by an unblinking sun and the result will be "almost universal madness" as those caught on the bright side are unable to cope with an unending day, said Dr. Lutge.
But they will be the lucky ones. The other half of the planet will be like the dark side of the moon.
"With no sunlight, growing crops will be an impossibility," the expert said. "It will always be cold and there will be hunger unlike anything the world has ever seen. Billions will starve to death and the others may be forced to resort to cannibalism, reduced to ghouls wandering an eternal night."
U.N. officials promise to take a close look at the scientists' chilling report.
Ahem! I'll have you know that Maxim is a damned fine mag... in fact, my three nerd roommates, and I have a subscription. Sure it always lists beer, sports, and women accross the top of it... but it also lists gadgets! There's always an article about something cool to build or brew. In fact I think that the, "This week you are... a cyber millionaire." article is very relevant to this discussion- how to pick up women by being an ubber-geek...
I'm a gnu world man.
Do any of you speak jive? or 37737 or whatever this is?
I'm a gnu world man.
Yes there are some of us out there who like to. Its just we are few and far between and yes geeks seem to date.
posted from Amy not mhatle being lazy about log in
amy@fencingclub.com
(this one is sooo appropriate)
http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/98 oct/19981011.html
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I hope you're not pretending to be evil while secretly being good. That would be dishonest.
My bf is a geek. Utterly and thoroughly, and I love him for it. I don't think I could ever date a non-geek. And while all my best friends are geeks, not all of them are single. Many a geek guy has met a girl (geeky or not) who wants more than just friendship.
Most geek guys probably wouldn't really want the average girl who goes for jocks, anyways, so why mourn the loss of her.
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I hope you're not pretending to be evil while secretly being good. That would be dishonest.
ok, so maybe the average girl doesn't go for the geek who is hidden behind a terminal, staring at his computer screen all day.
BUT,
There are a lot of intelligent women out there who are attracted to geeks, whose best friends are geeks, and who value intelligence and personality above everything else.
No, it's hardly a myth. We do exist. The reason we sometimes avoid the geeks is because we are stared at or excluded, because you guys are so shocked to see (oh my gawd!) a female geek.
You are just as guilty of stereotyping too. Not every non-geek is a wife beater. And not every chick goes for non-geeks.
The intelligent women I know want a "nice" guy, not a "cool" guy who:
1)Can support himself financially and emotionally.
2)Will be loyal because he is with us for our intelligence and personality, not our looks.
3)Will treat us with respect because we are bright and interesting people in our own right.
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I hope you're not pretending to be evil while secretly being good. That would be dishonest.
I think you mean George McFly, old chap.
I have been with pleny of stupid women and now I am holding out for a geek-girl.
"If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin
But I garantee you it's easier to keep a twinkie from a starved Ethiopian than it is to educate those who don't value knowledge.
"There is no surer way to ruin a good discussion than to contaminate it with the facts."
Why, just follow this simple advice:
She may have a hot body, but if she can't do simple maths, you'll probably be very bored during the morning chit-chat. Try asking for a few simple additions. Calculus is probably overdoing it. Tensor analysis is way off.
Having a paranoid gal spouting about Government agencies trying to control your lives is alright. If she's spouting about the NSA and Echelon, you're a winner. If she thinks the NSA is the Space Agency that serves as an embassy for the alien invasion, run.
Should you consider a bimbo with great legs, or a fat girl with great brain? Well, think of it this way: you can lose weight much more easily than you can gain a brain.
If a WWN gal approaches you, tell her you're an alien and she can feel your zipper in the back.
And most importantly:
Walk slouched, giggle nervously, speak nonsense. Or just be yourself. If a girl is turned off by stupid stuff like that, she doesn't deserve a winner like you, and will probably end up sleeping with the football captain behind your back anyway.
"There is no surer way to ruin a good discussion than to contaminate it with the facts."
As a woman in the engineering field, I have been reading slashdot for over a year now. (Now now.. I know thats not too long). I have tolerated story after story regarding women in the industry and read numerous sexist comments in response.
My advice to slashdot is to drop these stories. Not only are they insulting to your women readers, but they make slashdot seem like a hunting ground for women. I know that your readers have more class than this.
I do not read slashdot to determine how to get a geeky man or how I can not attract geeky men. I do not need another mans perspective on why women dont like computers. I enjoy some stories with tid bits of trivia information, but the majority of stories are insulting and degrading to women.
Not only that, but the generate a large amount of comments that focus on men boasting about their geeky woman.
I live day in and day out in this industry. I know how women feel and I know why most do not like this industry. If slashdot feels that they are supporting women and encouraging them, they are doing exactly the opposite. I would suggest focusing on the technology and what matters. In order to get women intereted in this industry, talk about it. And if you want to know really why women dont like the industry... why not just ask them instead of posting insulting stories such as this.
The idea that this type of man beats up women because they are overflowing with testosterone was proved wrong a couple of years ago. Scientists from Oxford university made a study of testosterone levels in males. They found that the 'Lad / Jock ' archetype acts in that way because he has too little testosterone.
So whenever you see one now you know that if they act in that way then they can't get it up!
makes me laugh every time I see one.
Yep, that's me, certified geek magnet. Geek guys are attracted to me like bees to honey.
This article was too too funny. I'm the biggest geek magnet I know and I fit none of those stereotypes of behaviour. I stand as tall as my 5'3" will allow, laugh uproariously, speak confidently and don't futz with my clothes.
Ladies, want to avoid geeky guys?
1) Giggle - a lot. Geek guys are turned off by frivolous girls.
2) Say "I don't know" and other non-committal phrases. Geek guys go for women who are knowledgeable, intelligent and unafraid to express themselves.
3) Adjust your clothing. Geeky guys don't go for women who are absorbed with their own appearance. See also #1 above.
Want to attract geek guys? Be intelligent, confident, interested in what they do (no programming experience required), willing to learn. Good hygiene and martial arts training a plus. Don't know why that last turns guys on but it sure does. Plus, it turns out a lot of geek guys also train martial arts. Hey! Also, don't be judgemental on physical aspects. You're no model yourself, either. Pretty boys are nice to look at, but that's about it. (mmm, Brad Pitt)
I have got to change this stupid sig
no sig please, I'm agnostic
... is correct. Or rather, it is the original saying. Refers to Errol Flynn, notorious Hollywood bad boy (not a nerd), after being acquitted of rape in 1942. His 1952 autobiography was originally titled "In Like Me".
"In like Flint" was a take-off, used as title of second Flint movie "In Like Flint", 1967, starring James Coburn.
All info from imdb.com
I gotta change this stupid sig
no sig please, I'm agnostic
What is this obsession with losers? Does it rub off?
What is a loser? Does strange equal looser, or does it apply to all unwanted courtiers?
Is it a person who will not accomplish anything in life, and who will not be remembered after they die? That's funny because that's the majority of us.
Or is Dr. Rachel Carmotta talking about people who dedicate their lives to unpopular sciences? Or guys that like to read books, and make up their own minds rather then just accept the latest politically correct truth?
Perhaps Dr. Carmotta is talking about those who are awkward and makes us feel uncomfortable because they stand out, and not in a cool way. Persons who don't fit in, who don't fall within our society's accepted norm. The kind of persons who don't feel pressed to go to the gym every day and who don't really care about fashion. The Weird Persons who don't agree with us.
Who can love a strange man?
Of course Dr. Carmotta's not talking about love. She is talking about trophies; how to acquire the best Man Trophy. Who cares about love, this is about looks. The woman with the prettiest man wins.
It's interesting to imagine a similar book written for men. It would not be on how to avoid losers; women are seldom called losers. They are called ugly, fat and/or bitchy, and the book would be on how to attract beautiful and sexy women. That book would be met by an outrage. It would instantly be recognized as superficial and sexist.
Now, I guess such books already exist, because we accept that our status is dependent on our partner's looks.
Whatever makes you happy.
Sattinger's Law: It works better if you plug it in.
(not that I'm taking this seriously, mind you. I read the WWN occasionally, but strictly for amusement value. pathetic people are funny)
;-)
I've often been approached by girls BECAUSE I'm geeky. There is a certain section of the population that seems to be attracted to people who are kinda strange . . . and sometimes even to me. And the opposite hold true for me. Geek girls are sexy. I'm not exactly sure why, but they are. Don't get me wrong, I love candlelight diners and flowers and dancing, but there's something strangely romantic about an evening discussing code or the latest science news. I like girls who can sustain conversations with me. Intelligence IS attractive. So yeah, there are people who attract weirdos without wanting to, but there are also those who look for them.
I don't necessarily know where the stereotype of geek with no girlfriend came from. Yeah, in high school I didn't have a girlfriend, but I wasn't quite comfortable with how geeky I was (entirely). Now I accept that I am kinda strange and in certain ways pathetic. But I like myself. And girls seem to like me now more than ever. I'm sure most of you have had similar experiences.
I'll stop before I start bragging about my current girlfriend
Bad things often happen to good people,
It is up to them to see that they remain good.
Some lame-o guy once asked me if I knew any linux-friendly ISPs. When he visited the one I suggested, where I once worked, he commented that the receptionist was really cute, and "if I looked anything like her ", I should give me my number. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to picking up geek chicks, eh? ;-)
I told him that he should send me some source code, and I would see if he was worth my time. ;-) Well, *his* code was fairly lame, but it gave rise to my awesome "send me source code" dating scheme, from which I have received many very clever code samples over time.
Dating geeks can be lots of fun. For example, I have a date on Saturday that consists of going to an installfest. :-)
Hey!
(Some of us sensitive guys swill beer, too.)
The cake is a pie
(Nerd): Well, jocks think of sports all the time, and us nerds think of sex all the time
Well, you just had to see the movie to really laugh.
Aren't you already considered a geeek/nerd if you read the WWN ? So if you are female and read that publication shouldn't you be happy to find someone who can fix your computer when it breaks so that you can continue to read WWN ?
Vidi, vici, veni. (I saw, I conquered, I came)
hehe, one geek in the family is enough,
iq and physical attraction are usualy inversely proportional
Let's look at it from a scientific point of view, taking into consideration natural selections and stuff...
Men can pass their genes to their offspring 356 times a year, while women are stuck with just one or two
Therefore it's obvious that promiscuous men will have higher fitness and leave more offspring than the faithfull ones, whereas women will seek security to increase the chances that their progeny will survive. Hence women are attracted by the alpha or dominant males (whether it be the strong or rich ones don't matter), and will try to possess the male exclusively. Whereas men seek the numbers.
Confucious says:
"Man standing on toilet high on pot"
I admit I personally do not terribly like the label "geek", but it seems to have stuck to "programmers" and "network administrators" (of the type who do it for reasons other than the money!)
Personally, I read this article with horrified disgust. I can think of a few things worse I've read, but not by many. This seems like the furtherment of human devolution to me.
Then again, I am also noticing that slashdot is becoming a real nexus. I would be much less than surprised if much of the new world order which is slowly emerging will come from sources like this. (if you don't realize what I mean, do a quick review of economics and then look at the implications of opensource. Then think about opensource nanoassemblers. Scary thought, eh?)
Anyways, I've rambled, but my point is just that soon we will have the total convergence, of not just technology, but of everything. I'm talking total virtual reality, and in a way that young people can find their own information and formulate their own reasoning. (note: I'm not just a dreamer, I'm an experienced 3D programmer who does the precursor to this type of thing for a living.)
Okay, so WHAT does this have to do with the topic at hand? Well, I just think that we are about to see the day where these unfounded stereotypes vanish. Suddenly the people who were "geeks" before will become the icons of popular culture. Imagine a fully virtual place with the connectivity of the Internet. I'm not talking VRML either, but true VR. Who will be able to build amazing structures and make amazing constructs? Who will be best able to make a "unique" signature? Interesting, eh?
Oh well, I fear that I've disgressed too far, oh well, don't blame me, it's the sleep deprivation... Enough goofing off, I have work to get done, (a 3D rendering system...)
I am sorry, but I have to quote this....
/.ers. I too am unlucky at love, but I try not to let it effect me, and I don't brood on it (anymore =)
"Losers whine about doing their best, winners go home and f_ck the prom queen." -Sean Connery, The Rock
I am not a woman, but I am certain that whining is an attribute that will turn women off. There is alot of whining going on about this article. Don't complain that the media has bad stereotypes about nerds and geeks. No single person is a stereotype, so do not let it effect you. Just deal with it.
"Would you like some cheese to go with your whine?"
This is not to say that I do not sympathize with some of my fellow
Just my $0.02
This lady is insane. All women wany Austin Powers. That's the Mojo, baby.
;)
Obviously, this author is smoking a different mojo altogether
Kisc, Son of Kemp, Shadow of the Dragon, Insane Ninja Hero, Great Big Geek.
"Failure is not an option.
Failure is not an option.
It comes bundled with Windows.
Nothing like dating a guy who has different ideas about how much physicality is appropriate at what point in the relationship than you do to give you a bit of a window on why abusive relationships can happen to intelligent women, too.... Women don't seek out abusers. As Jenny said, they put on great faces at the beginning of the relationship and in public.
Grüß Gott aus Bayern!
Oh come on, this hardly applies just to women. I have to do that with all my non-techie friends, male or female.
If you're gonna hang around with non-techies you'll have to modify your behaviour to suit them. If you're uncomfortable with this then why the hell would you want to go out with one of these people?
Maybe this is a sign, like MicroCruft putting up that little "Linux Myths" thing. You know, now the "geekiness" is cool, jocks need to put up a "Geek's Myth" page-o'-bull-puckey; something to derail the migration of women from jocks to geeks. Just my thoughts...
"Don't mind me cutting myself on Occam's Razor"
the way to stop attracting geeks ..... is to stop talking about penguinss .....
... isn't she?
So we haven't come along as far as it was thought huh?
I have seen the "how to attract geek men" and "go to silicon valley" articles that inflate all the egos around here, but the majority of the populace still does not see things that way.
You program computers? You put more effort into your work than your appearance? You are still a geek. Does not matter how much money you are rolling in, or could be a few years down the road. A geek is not someone most girls want to be seen dating.
Go to the bar, look at all the pretty girls. Will any of them talk to you? Not likely. More likely is that there are plenty of just as pretty frat guys dressed in abercrombie & finch shirts and khaki pants who have just as much money as you might (from their parents however), that are getting all their attention.
So sit back and relax. Don't bitch about it. Things are not going to change anytime soon. Do your work, don't get too jaded, and by consensus the magical age being 30, girls start to notice the nice guys, with good jobs and great futures. Hopefully by then, you will have met your own geek girl and can get some satisfaction from ignoring the girls who once ignored you.
For anyone interested:
If you'd like to be our Page 5 Girl, send
a picture, a phone number where you
can be reached and some information
about yourself to:
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Do geek-bois look @ hot girls?
Do geek-gurls look @ hot guys?
sure they do! nothing wrong with that. In fact, trying to rail against evolution by deliberately looking bad will get you just as far as reading into every Cosmo sex questionaire.
I have a wonderful geek-gurl. I'm a geek-boi... We're both aware of how we look, and we try to make an effort to look presentable to each other. At the same time though, I can't even think about going out with someone else based on looks alone, conversation would dry up in a second, and then what're you left with?
attractive meat.
Q: What do you think about American Culture?
A: I think it's a good idea.
(adapted from Gandhi)
True, but the current thinking in evolutionary psychology is that these leanings in behavior are based on some ancestorial environment and not necessarily the current one.
You've got to admit, that the big push from muscle to brain power is relatively recent in human history.
Who knows, maybe in 1/2 million years the average woman will clue in. Maybe not. But it is already happening. Please take a look at the females posting on slashdot. Almost all of them seem to be at the head of the evolutionary trend.
"One man can change the world with a bullet in the right place."
- Mick Travis, "If..."
Wow...
"How not to attract Geeks"? That is not how women , are. See, "reputable sources" such as Cosmo and the WWN are such bollocks...
In a society that loves to dwell on aesthetics, and unachievable aesthetics such as that, that is the horrid backlash that we shall find. Such a fetid swamp, indeed.
Why do people front, like that? Tis such nonsense, methinks.. It wastes energy, and time, and it's not being true to either of the parties involved. Why do we all feel as though we have to lure each other, and to change each other, too?
I am sick to death of all that bullshit.
Being told to "play dumb" vexes me, too..
Girls, don't play dumb, infact, don't play at all... if you fidgit, carpe diem, and if you studder, embrace it, don't mask it. Same goes for the fellows, aussi.--Francais so you know, Not Australia. Who cares about the labels? It's the aura that radiates from within...out is that matter, and falsehood and rules snuf out all of our beauty. I personally love what they called "geeks"...Well, "damn them" for being intellegent, and kind, and not smutty jocks with motivations of the flesh and flesh alone...
yikes..
Thank You and Sod off..........
then why is it sold in a majority of reputable stores in the city of philadelphia? fuck the inquire, wwn is the source for information.
Just put out and then you can take your pick from Geeks, Alpha males, jocks, losers winners etc... Why any woman would have to read a book on how to attract men is still beyond me. Hajo
Hajo Monogamy: Belief so strong that millions of people end perfectly good relationships in order to start a new one.
I know this topic is close to played out. I will say that I love my girlfriend. I will also say that I am a quasi~geek. I have 2 computers, I work tech support, I spend at least 85% of my day at a PC. My g/f still loves me. Why, you ask? Becuase geeks do something that most guys don't... on a whole, we respect people and like independant, confidant people. We like people who want to learn, who are intellegent and have some sense of humor.
My girlfriend loves me, and ya know why? Becuase I treat her with respect as a separate person. She loves to learn things from me. We have fun together, laugh at each other's jokes and talk to one another. It don't get much better.
If guys want any advice at all, I'd say just be you and enjoy the simple things and the simple moments.
If girls want any advice, being a geek attractant is not a social stigma or a bad thing. Do what makes ya happy, no matter who its with. The body is only a shell (no pun intended).
Dijital
Diji
"I came, I saw, I WTF'd!"
but i have to say it's pretty true. The part I'm offended about is that they chose to talk about this as if the women didn't want to attract geeks, but the tips that I read would apply to women who want to attract anyone who doesnt have a low self-esteem. Sure, geeks tend to be the most pervasive low self-esteem group (which is arguably because of women like the ones this article is targeting), but there are many other non-geeks/nerds with low self-esteem as well.
Take me, for instance. Granted, I'm a geek now, but all during high school I was definitely not belonging to this class. I've always had a low self-esteem. And I tend to attract women who also have low self-esteem, and be attracted to them in return more often than not. I've always seen the popular pretty gurls as fake, preppy, ditzy, what have you.. essentially making up excuses for why I wouldnt want to be with someone I can't have anyway.
I'm always saddened when psychiatric/psychological studies like the one in the article are used for purposes such as this article. I suppose it can help some people, but I think the information from this study should be used in the field of psychology itself, and not in cosmoesque settings. But hey, this is america. Whatever sells.
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I always thought I was supposed to approach with SYN, and if you approved, you replied with ACK.
Then again, all I ever seem to get is NAK, NAK, NAK. =(
25% Funny, 25% Insightful, 25% Informative, 25% Troll
These tips sound alot like tips taken out of one of those self confidence boosting books, not geek-deterants.
Or maybe tips for the women to not look like "insecure" all around.
SuPz.orG
You see, your are an asshole. You are only supposed to marry the one person you are going to spend the rest of your life with. Wives are not property. You can't just throw them away when they get old and get a new one. You should just go to hell.
HAL 7000, fewer features than the HAL 9000, but just as homicidal!
for much longer. They are putting the first graders who have creativity and lack social skills on medication for their "own good". Yeah right. They are stifling their creativity, and turning them into one of the "beautiful people"(stupid people). Geeks are a dying breed, and so is any type of person who is useful to society(mathematicians, doctors, biochemists). Just think, in a few decades, there won't be enogh smart people to replace us, nad the world will fall apart. If this happens, then life will suck for them. I suggest that the stupid people(like the author of the article) be loocked away on a small island(or make that a very large one) specially designated for the stupid people. Ever notice how the pretty people never have to anything for themselves? All us smart people do it for them
HAL 7000, fewer features than the HAL 9000, but just as homicidal!
... is hearing a cute girl say "so i was playing a little quake 3 last night..."
biggest turn-off:
being BEATEN by a girl in quake. Doh!
I didn't think Austin Powers was a geek.
(Yeah, baby!)
I was going to say somethink Katz-like about how this person's book will only serve to widen the chasm between Geek and Jock, but thought better of it. I think I'll by a copy for use as bathroom reading material...
censorship is a form of noise, which actively seeks to drown out content with silence - Crash Culligan
(I'm gonna loose karma for this)
I *SO* envy you, sir!
Vaguely ontopic, I'm just curious as to where this attitude comes from. I mean, it's obvious that we, as geeks, out-earn, out-perform, out-play, and out-just-about-everything-else the vast majority of America (other countries may vary). Oh, wait. Silly me. They're just jealous of our good looks and table manners.
</oddly silly post>
censorship is a form of noise, which actively seeks to drown out content with silence - Crash Culligan
Do you recall that song that says:
"Do you want to be happy for the rest of your life, go make an ugly women your wife."
I take that principle to heart.
"Do you want to be happy for the rest of your life, go make a make a nerd guy your hubby."
I am not your typical girl. I am not your britney spears, I only fathom why some of you drool over her --eck--, nor am I Cindy Margolis. I am pretty and attractive. I am down to earth, and I am the girl next door with extra umpf...a brain.
I am a big lover of intelligence. I don't crave looks, I don't crave money, I crave my favorite nerd who whistles and sings hex code.
I love my favorite nerd, who thinks Einstein is awesome, and sits in front of his computer chugging down jolt at midnight, coding. I like playing quake with my favorite nerd to let my out aggressions. I like making my kernel with his assistance when I am in over my head.
My favorite nerd is my boyfriend, who adores Linux like a brother, Einstein like a father, and me as his best friend.
NERD stands LOVE!!
Ok..I admit to being silly, but is my nature. I am geek girl, always been, and you can't take that away from me.
Programmer
My favorite nerd, is my boyfriend.
;)
Have you ever heard that song that says:"If you want to be happy for the rest of your life, go make an ugly woman your wife."
I think of that phrase in terms of nerds.
They are best bunch of blokes a woman can have.
It is not because of money. It is not because of power. They are true to themselves. The majority of them are not pretentious or hedonistic. They love to learn and do complex things. They can appreciate the extra things in life.
I admit, I am not Britney Speakers, I just don't see why some of you drool over her. I am not Cindy Margolis either.
I am a nerd girl who just happens to be sweet, extra cute, and attractive to boot. I am kind and gentle girl from next door.
Well, I can't honestly say next door. I grew up on a farm, and I moved to the city when I was in middle school. When I was younger, I already had the appreciation for nerd guys. They were the fun ones --building rockets and blowing up stuff. Playing with Logo. You guys remember Logo, right?
Well, I met my boyfriend in high school. It was an instant attraction. He loved computers, and he has been working with them since he was 3 when he got his first Coco.
I managed to save up and got my own PC. He taught me a great deal because I had too much experience with Macs rather than IBM compatibles.
I learned so much, and we have been progressing along together from our interests in BEAM and LINUX...as well as other stuff too.
I couldn't ask for a better fellow. Sometimes, you nerd fellows on Linux Irc channels give girls a hard time. Give a chance. We might surprise you. Some of us actually want to know more about Linux and programming.
Well, I will always be a nerd guy's girl. It just the cup o' tea I prefer.
You nerd guys should stop drooling over the likes of Britney Spears, and take a look at the beautiful nerd women around you.
Love you all you nerds!!! Keep the coding going!!
Programmer
what a bunch of rhetorical crap... i think it's a pretty large assumption to say that "geeks" are only attracted to women who seem "introverted"... i know a lot of "technicallly-inclined" guys who prefer the women in their lives to be strong both in speech and personality..
Summary: Blecch!!!
-- "This is my sig... there are many like it but this one is mine"
I'm voting for satire. You do realize that this is a joke. Right? Weekly World News is the magazine that has the five foot grasshopper on the cover. This article is just a joke! It's not all that funny, but it's still a joke. So go back to beating your girlfriend at Nintendo. You know that's the only part of the article that was accurate.
Imagine how uncomfortable this can get for some insecure girl who actually read this book and was influenced ... ;)
With social skills like that, Romeo, surely you have no problem getting laid. Feh.
I'm wondering, is it possible that society has started to accept the Nerd (probably as a result of the IT revolution), and because of this, individual nerds are feeling more accepted and thus becoming a lot less like this stereotype, and are gaining the confidence to be seen more like the intelligent, insightful and interesting people they really are?
Or something like that? :)
Mick.
BELIVE IN YOUR DREAMS!
YOU CAN RECH YOUR GOALS!
BEEFCAKE!
BEEFCAKE!
*grin*
Me, beeing geeky, once was asked by our blond-stupid receptionist (who is *not* geeky at all) who someonle like me gets such a good-looking girlfriend as i have. I just said that there *is* something like charme in beeing geeky, so FUCKOFF!
Not cool
Not hard
No techno music
But informed
But intelligent
But someway charming
And most of all MYSELF AND NOT A BLUEPRINT OF MTV
Yes, girls like that!
"the body of venus with arms" -AC/DC
There are other people of your kind! Me and my friends are 6 Geeks going out every weekend. AND, in other "crazy" jobs, like Music Management, are people woh respect geekism too, and, the music business has great partys ;).
btw, my girlfriend's father is a geek, too, so it was obviously for him that she would end up with someone like me...
"the body of venus with arms" -AC/DC
I would have to agree with the previous post... I would rather have an intelligent woman once in a while than stupid ones all the time.
God I hope my life isn't like that.
Got my vote
I'm amused - I put my comment out as a joke (like the article), but it looks like at least a couple people took it seriously, at least enough to moderate it as Insightful.
Still, the fact that the "joke" article evoked so many strong emotions seems to indicate a great deal of resentment built up among the people who identify with the geek/nerd stereotype.
This is just another link in the chain of evidence showing that society discriminates socially against geeks, even as they provide significant benefits to that society.
I think there should be some kind of anti-discrimination law disallowing the use of "geekiness" as a criteria when deciding whether to go out on a date with a geek.
This is all about how chicks can stop hanging out with socially inept lusers, not how to successfully attract poised, computer professionals like ourselves.
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Sometimes, when I'm feelin' bored, I like to take a necrotic equine and assault it physically.
Ummm...my .sig sez "physically" not "sexually"
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The girl I'm currently trying to get with is interesting. She likes shy, perhaps somewhat nerdy guys. Heh, also she seems to attract only guys who like computers... every guy that's had a large interest in her so far has been someone nerdy in some way... all of us love computers, and use the internet (but I'm the only one that regularly reads /. ...). And in some way, we're all terminally shy :) Heh, I was so shy in fact that I had a crush on her for two months before some coincidence had her talk to me... but then we really hit it off... heh... this was 4 months ago, and the only reason I'm not going with her now is that she just turned 16 not too long ago, and she's mormon... and she's sorta busy, there's not been a free weekend for a while. But I'm sure you all care. In any case, she's found that "nerds" are generally nice people, and in the past they've had a good future ahead of them... in addition to being a very good candy (sorry, had to...)! I must be insane to think that this comment will be read, much less of any value to people, with all these other comments floating around...
-- Your IP is showing
I have friends who are involded in the Jaycees on the East Cost. One of the Jaycees works for the WWN taking pictures. The money the WWN pays for the pictures goes to fund the Jaycees. All the stories are bogus. It is just for entertainment. In fact my girlfriend's roommate had her picture used in a story a last year about "Sharks save girls life." The story told how sharks caught food for her so she could survive after a shipwreck. Don't believe anything in the WWN.
BE ALL YOU CAN BE! FOLLOW THESE RULES! -You should never show any interest in class ( some of my friends were said and qoute " These three have taken a vow to silence in my class!" by my physics teacher) -Use drug.. the harder the better -Drink till you drop at every party -Have no aims in life. -Go out to the beach for a party in a typhoon 8 in pouring rain and when the wind chill is something like 25 C with no change of cloths. Warm yourselves with some "drinks" -Must speak in slangs. -Never know anything about the world at large. (East Timor? Wot?) Those above art the rules pointed out by the GenX Guide to the Galaxy. For Further information see: -Giving in to peer pressure in 10 easy steps -How to "beep" up your life -Guide to bad taste in music
I work out every morning at the same club that Microsoft buys membership for it's programmers and it is very interesting. It is mostly late 30s and 40s. There are a very large number of 40 something women who were obviously very attractive in their youth and are showing signs of age (this is of course normal, the gods know I don't have all of my hair anymore). Many work for Microsoft, but some are married to Microsoft. Several (still) wear sorority Tee shirts. So, if stereo-types hold these were the ones that were snubing Mr. Pocket-protector. So who is worried about their status here, the geek or the babe? Maybe the geek is the trophy? Or maybe they just want to keep fit like the rest of us.
Oh, and no-one actually knows what 'love' is. It seems to be an excuse these days, or a word used in place of an apology. I doubt, somehow, that the concept even exists anymore.
/. So the view you get here is a tad skewed by the demographics of the Internet. Not every married couple has been enduring quiet misery for the last several decades. People didn't go in droves to see "Titanic" to feed their cynicism about love. Romance novels, however stupid they are (I've looked at a few, briefly), sell millions each year to women who at least have an idea what love is, or should be, even if it's not a very realistic view. Age has a lot to do with it: when I was 14-20, I had a similarly cynical outlook. Through my 20's I improved slowly, and then I met the mate I didn't know I'd been looking for. We've been married five years now, and I'm 32, and there is no question in my mind that love is for real because I see it every day.
.... we all know most women don't look to hard at the intellect part.
Sure it does. There's a lot of people in the world, a whole lot more than there are on the Internet, and a damn sight more than are on
I've got a definition I stole outright from R.A. Heinlein: "Love is a condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own." Took me a while to reach that conclusion, and I went through a lot of misconceptions beforehand (like many of the women y'all have been talking about, I suppose, although nobody ever laid a hand on this girl in anger), but nobody I've met who has given that sentence serious thought has ever disagreed with it.
You're completely correct though in saying "intelligence and personality is bottom on the list." It is, and it's pathetic. Utterly pathetic.
Excuse me? Could you possibly find a broader brush with which to tar all women of your age group? Yes, there are lots of shallow women out there who judge on appearance alone. Not only do they assign value to guys based on appearance, they also value themselves based on appearance: they're the ones who are blond (and weren't born that way), and thin, who carefully apply their makeup and style their hair multiple times a day, and who wear high heels, miniskirts, leggings, and other eye candy. And you know what? They get rewarded for this behavior with attention, not just from the guys they are trying to attract, but from all the rest as well. Yes, they will often reject you: but are they Everywoman? Hardly! They might be the only ones you noticed, but they're not the only women there are.
What about the girls who have intelligence and personality but not the looks? In the hell that is high school (where our ideas about this kind of thing are usually formed), those girls often don't even have an alternate identity of "geek" to fall back on--they're just the ugly girls, the fat girls, the social rejects and misfits. And they experience the exact same rejection from guys, including most of the geeks, that you describe receiving from girls. Maybe y'all should look around for the girls who don't fit the artificial standard of desirability. They're the ones in the band, or in the computer room; they're doing things instead of being ornamental, so they might be harder to find; and they may not look like much (for one thing, they know mobility is more important than sexy shoes) but they can speak, and listen (which is a lot more important), and they know what it's like to be rejected based on stupid assumptions that beautiful=good and !beautiful=!good.
Jenny, who is surprised how angry she still is about this fifteen years after high school
If a woman is going to be that brain dead to choose a guy like that, then she deserves the punishment that she gets. What is making her stay with this guy now? There is nothing stopping her from leaving the guy. If she is worried about her life because the guy is a wife beater, this is the type of thing the police are for.
Couldn't let this one go by. As someone who has supported my local battered women's shelter (and read what they sent me in response) and who knows some others who have been in this situation, I can confidently say that you, sir, are full of shit. Nobody, I mean NOBODY, deserves to be beaten. NOT FOR ANY REASON. And especially not because the guy who was all sweetness and light when she first met him, who really cared about her and paid attention to her, who was interested in what she was doing and wanted to be involved in her life instead of just ignoring her, turned out to be interested and involved because he has some sick need to control others by whatever means he can find.
Abusive people don't go around drooling and randomly attacking people--at least not the ones outside prison and mental institutions. They have learned that society frowns upon that kind of thing, so they have a public face that is really different. And that's what their girlfriends and wives see at first. Then the caring and interest become limits--"Let's not go out tonight", or "I don't really like those friends of yours." Then threats, which are couched as jokes--"Of course I'm kidding, I wouldn't REALLY hit you!" Then they become real, but in between he puts his public face back on, apologizes, buys flowers, cries, does ANYTHING to assure her that he really does love her, he didn't mean it, he'd never do anything like that if she didn't make him so mad.
And she wants to believe that the man she loves, loves her in return. And to keep believing that, she starts to believe that it's her fault. And she tries to not do the things that make him mad--it never works completely, since it really wasn't her fault to start with, but this man has succeeded in completely redefining her reality.
By the time she figures out what is going on, her life is nothing like you can imagine. She has no credit cards, no bank account in her name, no access to the family bank account, she lives on the money he allows her to have (this is one of the most effective control devices these guys have--how can you leave if you can't afford a place to stay?), she has been separated from her family and friends, and most importantly, he has probably threatened to kill her if she leaves him. And the statistics show that most women killed by abusive partners are killed AFTER they try to escape.
Going to the police is of little to no help--most departments don't automatically dismiss domestic complaints as unimportant any more (they used to), but unless a victim is willing to file charges then and there, which requires evidence like recent injuries, all they can do is file a restraining order. That means if he shows up at her new place, he can be arrested. But how long does it take the police to respond in your part of town? And how long does it take a furious guy to shoot someone?
Restraining orders only work on people who are thinking about consequences--abusive partners are only thinking about the fact that they've lost the only person lower than them, and their choices are to either face the fact that they are worthless scum, or take ultimate control back (killing someone is a pretty strong statement of control, after all), or kill themselves. They've spent a lifetime avoiding the first choice, so they take the second. And, since that narrows the remaining choices back to two, they generally do the last as well.
Jenny, who wishes the folks here knew more about this and that she knew less.
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Find a geek girl. Worked for me...
Oh, I too have had to struggle with the stigma of a high IQ and an unusually large member. Ah to be one of the little folk.. :-)
DOES ANYONE KNOW THE MEANING OF "IS"?
Geeks: if youre trying to attract a person of the
opposite sex, but find yourself surrounded by
shallow egotistical cluebies, you can improve your life just by making some simple changes!
Thats the word here. You know the kind I mean, the
ones whose idea of a "Magic Evening" is spending
way too much for diner and talking about social
events and how ugly other people are.
So if you have your heart set on Albert Einstein
but find yourself buried in valentines by one of
the Backstreet Boys, maybe its time you started
acting differntly.
- Know what to say
Don't ease in soft. Don't waste your time looking
for a date! Go right for the brain and ask "So
how is your PERL?". Shallow cluebies will make
it no farther.
- Avoid Holy Wars
Really... is it that important that they use vi?
accept emacs or pico for now, convert them to vi
later.
-- Don't adjust your clothing at all
If they even notice how you dress, then they
really aren't even worth the time to worry about.
Changing too often could lead them to think you
care about your apearence and might be as
shallow as they are.
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
Yup... You got it right. Here in our precious little patch of forestland the usual notion of "cool girl does not like the nerd oddball" is way way off. In fact techie-type guys/gals here are pretty much in demand, that you theoritically does not dry up on women even if you want different dates every night. There are lots who would patiently wait in line. Here in our little patch of wilderness being on the field of advanced technology is very very cool, that in fact even if you only know how to chat on the IRC, you are already considered tech. savvy person. Girls will literally went gaga with you even if you only have a 386 PC, much more if you have an Internet connection... And all of this stuff is particularly true in this forestland we called the PHILIPPINES
Truth nowadays is based upon the general consensus of the many
i've almost convinced that this article was just to get a rise out of some of us. WWN must have lacked writers this week or just may been desperate to gets some hits on this article. what integrity this shows for their organization.
Although I hate to mention his name on /., ...
Michael Jordon: $400 Million
Bill Gates: $100 Billion
That's okay, I didn't want to share my toys anyway!
"Inspire me! Tell me it cannot be done!"
One word:
Aikido!
"Inspire me! Tell me it cannot be done!"
Hehe...
Look up the name Shihan Karl Geis!
I'll spar a couple of rounds with her!
"Inspire me! Tell me it cannot be done!"
Never fear, my male geek brethren, if you know that a man page isn't something put out by Playboy, there's a good chance that there are feminine types out there looking for you. :-) Being female, it's kinda weird sometimes being one of only two or three in a CIS class of 40. However, times are changing, and there are more and more females enrolling in the major every year. It's amazing the change I've seen in the past 4 years. BUT, as I have gotten to know more and more females in the field, I've found that many of us are looking for guys like ourselves. It's just nice to have someone to talk to that understands what it is that you do. A statement of the obvious, I know, but I think it needs to be said. Often times, I get the feeling that male "computer geeks" forget that there are females just like them: Nitrozac, for one.
So, if you're in school, don't be afraid to ask out us female-geeks for a cup of coffee. Now, mind you, try to steady your voice before doing so. Don't try to be really cool and make jokes about "interfacing", or replace "HI" with "ACK" - just follow the standard procedure: be yourself. ;)
Wasn't that the song at the end of 'Relentless'?
"I don't pretend to understand
Women's little quirks
One thing that I know fer sure
Chicks dig jerks."
...
"Is that a new bruise you got on you?
What does that say? That he loves you?"
....
"What do I have to offer you baby?
Poetry and true love.
That's not enough, I know for sure...
You need someone to throw you through the door."
And so on..
I might be known as 'Captain Infidelity', but at least I have never *even* got angry with a woman.
Well, with anyone I've been out with for that matter.
The problem is that we're still at the point where intelligence and personality is bottom of the list when it comes to choosing a partner.
Oh, and no-one actually knows what 'love' is. It seems to be an excuse these days, or a word used in place of an apology. I doubt, somehow, that the concept even exists anymore.
There is a term for all of this - 'destructive self-interest'.
--Nick
GothTartUK
Remember, there are quite a few girl-nerds out there, too. Who do we attract? Certainly not the jocks and "cool" guys.. that is, unless we flaunt ourselves, and what nerd that you know is going to do that? Personally, most of my guy friends are nerds, meaning that they're much better with computers than I am, good in math and science, aren't afraid to have their own interests (be it DOOM or fencing), and... oh yeah, they aren't afraid to just be friends with a girl. So many of the "cool" guys out there won't even talk to a girl that they're not interested in dating. In my opinion, if we can't be friends, why would I date him anywayP Just my $.02
Have you read the Moderation Guidelines Addendum?
...or I'd be out a boyfriend, probably. He fits their geek profile almost perfectly, with some additions they would have put in there if they'd thought of them. He has glasses and bad hair. He is completely incapable of shopping for his own clothing, and once bought pants that DID come halfway up to his knees when he sat down. He has at least 5 Magic:The Gathering t-shirts, which he wears often. Anytime we're in a mall, he has to spend at least a quarter of his money in the arcade, regardless of why else we're there.
/.
*melodramatic sigh, attempting to keep a straight face*
But I suppose it's partially my own fault... when I met him while playing AD&D, I did not present my chest for full inspection. Instead, I leaned on the table and ate pixy sticks and starbursts. As it was my first time playing, I admitted that I did not have the slightest idea of what was going on instead of looking dumb later on. I spent at least part of most of our sessions giggling uncontrollably.
And, most importantly, I didn't consider him a worthless loser and actually paid attention to him. Now I have a boyfriend who _doesn't_ love me for my chest or for faking my understanding of something. Instead, he appreciates the fact that I'm intelligent enough to not read WWN unless an article is mentioned on
And also, something I've been wondering... do these WWN people not know how to tell a guy to get lost? I find this method much more effective than sticking my chest out.
As a female reader of slashdot, I'd like to throw in some thoughts... Most women have dated the kind of guy Dr. Carmotta seems to think all women want. I've got bad news Doc. Now that we're all reasonably mature adults (and clearly this is not who her book is written for) most of these "desirable guys" are still trying to convince the local college to create a degree in "Permanent Partying" and "Lifetime Jock" There are men out there that make you think "Please, just stand there and look good. If you talk you'll completely ruin what little I see in you. Yes, you really do sound that stupid. Yes, I'm only going out with you because you're nice to look at and because I've read everything new on slashdot tonight."
Also, saying that geeks have no self-esteem is so far off base that it's pathetic. How about this... Sports Fanatics have too much self-esteem. Seems about as vague as her view of geeks. My questions to our good Doctor... have YOU ever dated a geek? Just how shallow are you? Are you that consumed with how people view you and your date that you feel you have to stoop to the level of making generalizations about people you clearly barely know? Someone blast her back into the real world please.
There are a few women out there who know what great guys geeks can be. Take it from someone who knows firsthand. I married one. He's not shallow, he is a geek, and he's attractive. And for those guys who think all women geeks are hideously ugly or total social rejects, take off your blinders. I seriously doubt that I'm the only blonde, iron pumping, linux using, social butterfly female geek out there. There are more. Just keep looking, and skip the ones who want you to notice their chest first and not their brain. They might look good on the first date but when your friends want to play a game of Quake over the net and she's wanting you to shop there's gonna be trouble. Pick the one that can toast everyone at quake, odds are good she's going to be more fun in the long run!
"Say no more..." - Monty Python
Honestly, I think "techiness" and a genuine interest in your work is sexy. . .
very.
"When I wake up in the morning, I just can't get started until I've had that first, piping hot pot of coffee. Oh, I've t
ponder this. why is it that all of these people screaming "forget about them, wait till..", are the first to jump up and say something on the topic? and seeing this, does it not show that they are 'thinking' about these women more than others? hey, i said it was jacked-up.
My wife was a model in Philadelphia when we were dating, and bears a striking resemblance to Stephanie Seymour of Victoria's Secret fame (so much so that her father freaked out when I showed him nude photos of Seymour as a joke... he didn't see the difference). So much for geeky guys being attracted to geeky girls.
Thank God no worse news.
now even us honest geeks won't be able to get insecure woman. Damn you Dr. Rachel.
I consider myself to be somewhat of a geek at heart. I've never been kissed, I have a few female friends, and I prefer to be alone and away from those who would consider themselves to be my better. I think that this article seems to paint the common picture of a geek; a short, ugly, pocket-protector and glass wearing littleboy. This is not true. In fact, the only girl that I have ever liked (and likes me. long story) was attracted to me because of my willingness to be quiet and alone. And she could relate to me in many ways, although she's had more experiance in romance than myself. This article is nothing more than the propagation of the common nerd/geek myth. Its time that it dies.
"They told me it was impossible. I replied with maniacal laughter." http://www.mydailyrant.com/
I think this article has a lot of dumb stuff in it. Nothing is factual, it's not probable. And I'm not a geek like that and all, there are very few like THAT, but I still think the article is degrading. What is wrong with this woman? There is something majorly mental going on here. Geeks rule. Sure, bug collections and pocket protectors are out, but this article should go along with them.
I'm done.
yeah
I completely agree with your post and have had similar results with the women in my life. While it is fun to get a stupid girl every now and then for a little fling, on the whole it is unfulfilling and cannot make you happy. Many women are quite capable of following geek speak if you go slow and explain yourself. Oh, and don't forget that almost ALL women realize how much money the geeks have :)
The Don is loose!!
You say this like being a geek is a bad thing. I've personally found geekdom to be a wonderful thing to be embraced, not denied or scorned.
Besides, the /. folks have just as much right to laugh at themselves as anyone else.. Then again, I think they all have girlfriends. Interesting parallel.
Sure nintendo and bug collections arent the coolest. I think tho, that geeks and generally guys who havent made womanizing a hobby should be wanted by girls, they are far more likely to be honest, and respectfull. do you think those rules work in reverse?
"There is a holy mistaken zeal in politics and religion, by convincing others we convince ourselves" -Junius
I just realized that the whole girls being repelled by me, isnt just in my head. Damn IT!! Chicks really are afraid of geeks.
"There is a holy mistaken zeal in politics and religion, by convincing others we convince ourselves" -Junius
It didn't say "If you don't want to attract programmers", or "If you don't want to attract network admins", it just said "geeks" and referred to bow-tie wearin' cowlicked losers without stereotyping who those people are. You did that.
This is not just you. Most of the /. posts I've read made the same *very* annoying mistake in interpreting the article. It uses phrases like "geeky oddballs" and "pants cuffs that stop just below the knees". NOWHERE in the article does it metion intelligent, educated technical-minded persons or anything about networking or mathematics!! You've casted yourself in that stereotype by assuming that's what they were implying. Read it again!!
I didn't particularly wish to lend credibility to WWN by responding to this topic, but given the overwhelmingly male response so far, I felt I had to put in my two feminine cents.
:-) )
(BTW, geeks are freaks that bite the heads off of chickens. I prefer to use the honorable term "nerd."
Gentlemen, there truly are women that appreciate an intelligent man. I find the current crop of mid-20 to mid-30ish, male computer nerds (particularly the penguinheads!) to be more open to new ideas and more accepting of change than men in many other walks of life.
Yes, male computer nerds do often fit the stereotype of the introvert. However, I've found that if I can get one to open up, he will often turn out to be quite interesting, given the right topic. Additionally, I suspect that a lot of the male nerds I remember from high school and college are now successful, sophisticated men - perhaps not dashingly handsome, but who cares?
Besides, ask yourselves if you really care what the beehive hairdo-ed, big-butted, doubleknit polyester-wearing female readership of WWN thinks.
Just a comment from a female who married a compu-nerd...
No. Not inversely proportional - they are just both rare, and thusly both traits in one individual even more so.
Shawn Poulsen (Fruan)
"On Slashdot, many obvious things are insightful." - Annonymous Coward, 2000/7/9
We are complex people and it is dangerous to start stereotyping people based on a single past-time or personallity trait. Not everyone is the same just because they may have something in common (eg computer skills).
Stuff like this sorely reminds me of my high school days. I love fine art and theatre, I'm sweet and romantic, yet all the girls wanted was an alpha male. It's a shame that such mallicious memes exist in the media and society. We have so much to offer. I've wasted so many brian cells trying to figure dating out. Guess we'll be reading about that superficial alpha female getting date raped or slapped around by her "perfect" boyfriend in the papers. some people never grow up.
are probably 45, still haven't been on a date, and spend their entire day taking care of elderly parents. I'm absolutly sure they have men of all sorts banging down their doors. Right.... makes you wonder who the geek is in that situation...
You're reading Slashdot. Of course you like Linux and pc hardware
I happen to be one of them girls that have been attracting geeks all my life. I don't walk with my head down, I make decisions, and most of all I consider myself very lucky. I would more likely find myself going out with someone that could hold a conversion about quantum physics then about the latest football scores. Thou I must admit I only like the bow ties on the weekends.
Wow, they'll give a Ph.D. in Psychology to anyone these days.
The article assumes that geeks can actually pick up on these mannerisms. most geeks are cant decipher signals that women send out, one way or the other. sky
Whoever this Carlotta person is, she's sure a lotta something, and it ain't car. Maybe I send her ticket to Usbekistan where men are men and Yaks are nervous.
Well, this post sure has been taken apart ;)
There's another thing here though, which makes this *really* bad advice:
If you fake confidence, you will only attract other fakes. See, confident people (real ones) can smell a fake a mile off - and will steer clear.
Thus what'll happen is that the woman stupid enough to take that advice will meet, and ultimately marry, a fake.
In marriage, you can't really fake things.
Thus, after a couple of years at the latest, she's going to get disillusioned, get divorced, and cry her heart out to her best (female) friend that all men are fakes.
Great idea.
Really.
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"What, I need a *reason* for everything?" -- Calvin
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For those of you who've ever wanted someone who's made it clear to you that you're not good enough for them, take heart in knowing that you really DON'T want one of these chicks.
It's the stupid or shallow ones who'll judge you for being a geek. How could we possibly want someone who'd cast such shallow judgement on us?
And why do we always seem to believe that beauty is inversely proportional to intelligence? Smart, gorgeous girls do exist. They're not always easy to find, but they are out there. And this is a guess, but I'm willing to bet the shallow, insecure, "wouldn't-be-caught-dead-with-a-geek" chicks are more threatened by smart attractive chicks than by us geeks.
I say, be happy with who we are. We certainly don't want the ones who don't accept us.
I know that smart, gorgeous girls exist, because I've been going out with one for the past 2 years. She's amazing because she defies any single, simple category. While she's beautiful enough to run with the shallow, insecure pack (Whom we both mockingly refer to as "THEM"), she chooses me. She's always accepted me for who I was, and tried to find interest in the things I was into. It was always cool to bring her to deathmatches we'd have in my office after work, or to game and computer conventions. She'd find stuff she was interested in, and that would give us common ground. And that's far better than any relationship I've ever been in. She's more than my girlfriend, she's a great friend, too.
I know that my GF isn't the only one in the world like this. Sometimes if we keep our eyes open, we just might find that we have a chance with some of the ones we think we wouldn't stand a chance with.
They seem so hard to find - I mean, it's hard enough to find someone we get along with and have stuff in common with, much less find attractive. It always seems like we have to trade one for the other. But believe me, finding this one makes it all worthwhile. We just have to be patient, and not let our cynicism get the best of us.
We just can't sell ourselves short because of all our failures in the past. We must uncondition ourselves from believing that we are not good enough for certain people. That's the work of the insecure, who pushed their insecurities on us. Now we have their disease. Insecurity breeds insecurity. Unless we choose to break the chain right now. We ARE good enough.
Hummm...I am a Slashdot reader since a few months now. And i must say i'm a bit sceptical about this conflict between geeks and jocks. We really don't have this kind of conflict in France, at least i never really heard about it, or saw it. Here, when you are the university or one of the "grandes écoles", you're studying with you peers, IT students are in IT schools and sports or Financial students are in sports or financial schools. Like this, discrimination is much less to happen. And it is the same at work, i am working as a journalist in the Hardware Test Lab of a french press group. And i must say that on 300 hundred people there's really a few few jocks between them. I wouldn't say that we have 300 real pure geeks here but everyone is working with computers and therefore respects the ones who have knowledged about them.The point is that you will never be discriminated if you're the right place with the right people. You don't grow happy fishes in the air...