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CmdrTaco
on from the man-of-steal-vs-the-dark-knight dept.
ReadParse writes "The Sacramento Bee is running an AP story about Warner Bros' plans to produce a Batman vs. Superman movie. It's kind of hard to imagine anybody but Christopher Reeve as the Man of Steel -- somebody check Michael Keaton's schedule."
Lacking something important.....
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Lord_Slepnir
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I think they'd get more money with a Catwoman vs. Wonder Woman movie. Unless this new one has a lot of Kristen Dunst in the rain.....
Re:Lacking something important.....
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BdosError
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It was a joke, until you told us it was. You ruined it.
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Re:Lacking something important.....
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Lord_Slepnir
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Seeing as how I live about an hour away from Philadelphia, it's highly unlikely that I watched the news in Sacramento. Silly AC, posting is for real users.
Re:Lacking something important.....
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Grape+Shasta
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From the Yahoo story: The director says he will begin the casting search for both superheroes, as well as three female leads, within the coming weeks.
Well, that takes care of what was lacking... that should ensure ticket sales from the Slashdot community! Especially if Superman is the jock with all 3 female leads hanging around him, and Batman is the heroic computer geek living in his basement, brooding and plotting his revenge.
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Re:Lacking something important.....
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geigertube
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"Seeing as how I live about an hour away from Philadelphia, it's highly unlikely that I watched the news in Sacramento. Silly AC, posting is for real users.
Note: ACs will be ignored. Disagreement is not a reason to mod down. "
? Your post makes an interesting contrast with your.sig. You dont seem to be doing a very good job of ignoring AC's.
Re:Lacking something important.....
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Narchie+Troll
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Batman is a rich playboy in real life. Superman is a nerdy newspaper reporter.
Batman'll get the girls in this one.
Search google and you can find "Tentacle alien vs Japanese High School Girls" DVD easily.
Re:Lacking something important.....
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Afrosheen
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Haven't you seen the last 3 Batman's? Batman *always* gets the hotties. Superman on the other hand is stuck with dumpy, whiny Lois Lane. Spiderman is the ultimate pimp though. He has technology AND supernatural ability, plus he gets to bang Kirsten Dunst (the rain shot...ooooh). Batman is all tech, Superman is all supernatural, but Spiderman is the best of both worlds.
Spiderman vs. Batman would be alot more interesting.
How is this a fight?
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XaXXon
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I'm not big into comics, but I just can't see how this is a legitimate fight.. Superman would kick Batman's ass. Up. Down. Around the block. Back around the block.
First, he can fly. That's a HUGE advantage. Second, he's really strong. Really REALLY strong. It's just not really that legit a fight. Even with kryptonite.. Superman can just stand a few miles away and evaporate Batman with his heat vision..
Nah, Batman's just too smart. He'll think of a way.
And Superman seems to be especially dumb when it comes to kryptonite, as he always succumbs to whoever has it.
Re:How is this a fight?
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swagr
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Superman also flew faster than light to go back in time.
1. Time travel gives him an advantage. 2. The work required to accelerate an object with mass to the speed of light is infinite. So Superman isn't just "Really REALLY strong", he's "REALLY REALLY REALLY..." strong. 3. The universe doesn't seem to mind when Superman breaks the laws of physics.
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Re:How is this a fight?
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Cheeko
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In the original Justice League, you had all these super-human super heros and then Batman. He was like this sorta dark guy who was out for good, but also wasn't super righteous like the super-human guys. In the comic, he made sure he know everyone elses secret weekness, and was prepared to exploit it if need be. Now I haven't read all of these cause well, I haven't even seen most of them, but I've been informed by people who've read them, that in Super Man's case, Batman had a gun with kryptonite bullets or something along those lines. And also was able to figure out who Super Man's alter ego was. I also seem to recall that Batman knew were Super Man's ice cave was, but I'm a bit less certain about this bit.
Basically while Super Man is the definition of pure physical strength, Batman is the definition of pure cunning. Batman was a loner always, even when fighting for good, and as such mistrusted even his "super" friends, and was always ready to cover his own ass first if need be.
Re:How is this a fight?
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EvilBudMan
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>>First, he can fly. That's a HUGE advantage. Second, he's really strong. Really REALLY strong...
Yes, but Superman is really Really REALLY STUPID. Batman is really smart and would get CatWOMEN and/or BATwomen to trick him into drinking some GBH and then they would lay some KryptoNITE on him.
Superman wouldn't stand a chance against that.
-- It's not the meaning but the mechanics that maters.
Of course he knew his alter ego - they were on a first name basis in that comic book, calling eachother "Bruce" and "Clark" while they were fighting. (I always liked that touch).
-- These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
"Superman would kick Batman's ass. Up. Down. Around the block. Back around the block."...which is exactly why Batman will win. Hollywood thinks that'd surprise us.
Actually, what happened was that Batman was concerned that the JLA might run into a psychic/magical/superintelligent foe that would be able to control various members of the JLA using some sort of mind control. So, the Dark Knight figured out a way of neutralising each member of the JLA in the event that this occurred. Then R'as al Ghul managed to acquire this knowledge and defeated the JLA. This was detailed in the "Tower of Babel" run JLA issues 43-46. I believe it's in a trade paperback, as well. Great story. Additionally, there was the fallout when the JLA finally defeated R'as al Ghul (sorry to Lone Gunman it) and had to figure out what to do with someone as "dark" as Batman.
Re:How is this a fight?
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starvingartist12
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In the relatively recent JLA comic story arc writen by Mark Waid, called "Tower of Babel", a villain breaks into Batman's secret logs of all his teammates and uses it to systematically defeat every member of the Justice League of America.
Batman never talked about himself in the JLA, but often coaxed little pieces of information from his teammates. He secretly worked on "protocols" for defeating them. Batman made sure he could stop any of the JLA, and he thought they were foolish if they weren't doing the same.
His tactics:
Aquaman - Made him fear water, which he needs to live. Green Lantern - Blinded him, leaving him unable to create anything with his ring Flash - Created a vibration bullet that doesn't phase through the Flash, leaving him subjected to light speed epileptic seizures. Wonder Woman - Subjected her to a virtual unending combat. Martian Manhunter - Created nanites that embed themselves to his skin, making him a human flame (with fire being his weakness) Plastic Man - Froze and shattered him
and of course...
Superman - Synthesized a red kryptonite, which left Superman in tremendous pain.
While Batman wasn't the one to use these tactics, his friends felt betrayed, cheated and physically scarred.
Re:How is this a fight?
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Anonymous Coward
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And also was able to figure out who Super Man's alter ego was
That was the worst synopsis ever. Did you even READ the bloody books? Hell, glancing at a wizard every now and then would give you a better clue about the details. It's the 'Tower of Babel' story line, and it's a decent, if fast paced yarn.
Re:How is this a fight?
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AltaMannen
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My educated guess is Superman punches Batman in the face during a superfriends reunion at a bar (open, free drinks for everyone) and starts to sing:...Batman smells, Robin Laid an egg... after which Batman runs home and washes his cape and returns with a baseball bat, asking around for Superman who incidentally saw Batman returning, then ran in to the mens room and changed clothes into Clark Kent.
The next day Clark wakes up with a hangover and Batwoman and realises he is full of regrets. Batman eventually kills Sherlock Holmes after confusing him with Superman the same night.
The final script will be slightly fleshed out with further musical numbers by Danny Elfman but this is essentially the story of the movie according to my sources.
I believe the quote from Dark Knight Returns goes something like "It took several years, and cost a fortune, to synthesize that kryptonite, Clark. Fortunately, I had both."
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Keeping this in mind, it's pretty much impossible to beat Superman twice, isn't it? If you kick his ass and he breaks loose, he'll turn back time and kick your ass preemptively. Or, truer to character, he'll alter things in his or your life to prevent you two ever coming together for the previous (future) battle. Funny how he never considers the danger of paradoxes or anything else related with time travel and altering 'the course of things'.
"And also was able to figure out who Super Man's alter ego was.
Yeah, a real testement to Batman's genius. (Clark Kent can't be Superman, he wears glasses and Superman doesn't. If he took his glasses off he wouldn't be able to see)
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...accelerate an object with mass to the speed of light...
Read before you post please.
Photons from your lamp are always travelling at the speed of light. Superman had to accelerate. Now get a physics book and you'll understand the difference.
*picks up text book*, looks like the logic behind it is sound, didn't remember that mass increases towards infinity as it aproaches the speed of light, so you need an infinate amount of work to move it to the speed of light, but didn't superman only happen to spin around the earth and turn it backwards or somit, in some psuedo science of fake time reversal anyway?
...that George Clooney and Chris O'Donnell will NOT appear in this film??
Chris
Who's the baddie?
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atcurtis
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Who is going to be the baddie? The defender of the meek (Batman) or the defender of Humanity (Superman)?
Or are they thinking of making some supervillan which the both team uo to fight?
"Arrghhh, Kryptonite! Take over and save the world, Batman!"
Well - it's been a few years since they had used the tech (was it used in Gladiator and earlier in the last Bruce Lee film?), but it isn't so far fetched that they use a body/stunt double for Mr Reeves and put his face over the double's body.
Still - rumors are rumors.... I'm still waiting for the film adaptation of Red Dwarf with Patrick Stewart as the baddie.
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Well - it's been a few years since they had used the tech (was it used in Gladiator and earlier in the last Bruce Lee film?),
"The Game of Death" is the movie Bruce Lee was working on when he died (actually he started working on it, took a break to make "Enter the Dragon").
Bruce Lee was writing and directing, as well as starring in the movie, which was to deliver his philosophy and vision.Unfortunately his notes and storyboards were lost, and the movie that got released had very little resemblance to his original intent.Only about 30 minutes out of hundreds of hours of film were deemed suitable for release.
Amongst the tricks used to complete the film were, indeed, body doubles, as well as having Bruce's character off camera, having his fact blown off and even scenes shot with Bruce Lee Cardboard Cutouts.
A couple of years ago, the documentary "Bruce Lee: A Warrior's Journey" was released. It contains the actual final scenes Bruce shot for "The Game of Death".They're somewhat incomplete, but they're well worth watching. The entire documentary is actually one of the best Bruce Lee documentaries out there - has a lot of archive footage and old interviews with him. My TiVo picked it up on TCM or AMC or something a few days ago, so it's probably floating around right now. Anyone interested in Bruce Lee or Martial Arts in general should definately attempt to catch it.
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Re:Someone tell me how Batman could beat Superman?
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creative_name
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Batman's only chance would be if he could get his hands on an oversized, rapper-style necklace of the Batman emblem made of Kryptonite. Better get one for Alfred too. Robin can just cower behind Batman and Alfred - saves money that way.
Otherwise, Superman will just crush both of them with his super-human strength and then destroy their remains with his laser vision. Bye bye batty.
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Re:Joe Pesci as Superman?
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undeg+chwech
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George Clooney has already played batman though. More incestuous than logical.
Is this an actual fight between Superman and Batman, or an alliance in which they fight evil together. So who's fighting for "the good" and who's fighting for "the bad" they're fighting each other?
I can't see Batman having much of a chance, unless Robin is allowed to tag-team in.
Wolfgang Petersen also directing 'Ender's Game'
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Bonker
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Which, in my humble opinion, going to be a lot more interesting than a fanpiece like 'Superman Vs. Batman'. Well, if you get to make both, why not?
The problem with the Ender's Game movie is that the studio is apparently trying to submarine Petersen's efforts into getting a cast that he feels is realistic for the story. You can read the AICN rumour here: http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=12681
Essentially, it boils down to the fact that Petersen wants to include a racially mixed cast to reflect the in-book and real-world race ratios at the time Ender's Game is supposed to be set. The studio has vetoed his plans claiming that white audiences won't want to go unless the adults in the movie are all white.
From the rumour:
He was flat out told "Not a chance in hell. There will be a handful of token characters from other races but every other child will be white." As the studio execs pointed out, if there are too many background characters that aren't white, white people will be afraid to go see it.
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Re:Wolfgang Petersen also directing 'Ender's Game'
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pogle
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And of course the fact (rumor?) that Peterson is shelving Ender's Game to direct a cheesy averagehero vs superhero movie doesnt make me happy about the latter movie.
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Re:Wolfgang Petersen also directing 'Ender's Game'
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Joe+Tie.
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What's really sad about that to me is the fact it's aiming for two of the most unprejudiced groups around, geeks and kids. If something like that is given this treatment, what can more mainstream casting be like.
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Re:Wolfgang Petersen also directing 'Ender's Game'
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RogerWilco
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I think one of the strong points of both Ender novell's is the emphasis on how much damage
prejudice against other people/races/species
can do.
They are both a heroic epic and a
moral/ethics story. And that all combined in a believable SF package, I realy liked them for that.
I would go see an Ender movie.
I hope it doesn't get ruined by being produced in Holywood.
I'm from europe, and the thing that always astonishes me in American TV-productions/movies, is that they either mostly white or mostly black.
Is this how the USA works? Is it really this separated? OR is this just moviebosses "targeting"
a specific audience?
The only mixed films that come to my mind are
those with Will Smith.
just my 0.02
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Probably asked many times already, but...
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goldspider
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...what beef does Batman have with Superman? They protect two completely different cities, and the only thing I can see creating a conflict here is a very un-superhero-like grab for power. I don't see how this idea would work even at it's most basic levels...
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Re:Probably asked many times already, but...
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IsoRashi
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I forget where I saw this mentioned, but a potential conflict is the two philosophies of crime-fighting. Superman is more of a stereotypical do-gooder, whereas Batman is more like a dark vigilante.
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Re:Probably asked many times already, but...
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uberdave
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Well, Batman's m.o. is to torture, and terrorize. Superman is more of a do-gooder boyscout type, so he might decide not to put up with Batman's methods anymore.
Re:Probably asked many times already, but...
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Patrick13
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...what beef does Batman have with Superman? They protect two completely different cities, and the only thing I can see creating a conflict here is a very un-superhero-like grab for power. I don't see how this idea would work even at it's most basic levels...
well... maybe it will be a very real conflict over the same girl.... after all, in the yahoo article it says there are 3 roles for women...
Anyone else here watch Smallville? Imagine WB turning this into a whiny ('angsty') teen drama?
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Work on that imagination a bit
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swein515
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It's kind of hard to imagine anybody but Christopher Reeve as the Man of Steel -- somebody check Michael Keaton's schedule.
Yeah, can't picture it. No one else could ever played Superman. No, not Kirk Alyn, or George Reeves, or Dean Cain...
They have got to be kidding...
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fishlet
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Both are supposed to be crime-fighting hero's... what will be the premise? Will one of them become evil? Also, it seems terribly mis-matched. Sure Batman's got some cool gadgets but overall he's just a guy... not some superhuman goliath from another planet. Add to that Batman's is just a local crime fighter (Gotham city)... Superman has a wider range. I just think it would make more sense to do a movie of dueling bad-guys... not hero's. Perhaps a Freddie vs. Jason movie for example- or Lex Luther vs. Dr. Evil;-)
Is it "Superman vs. Batman" or "Batman vs. Superman"? The title says the former, the bottom of the article states that filming will begin in 2003 on the latter.
This is important because it would tell us who has home field advantage... Whether the movie takes place in Metropolis or Gotham City... Could be a very key element...
Is it "Superman vs. Batman" or "Batman vs. Superman"?
That's what they're fighting about.
"Hey, Fatman, I should get top billing."
"No way, Stuperman, I should."
"Nuh-uh!"
"Uh-huh!"
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won)
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SirSlud
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Too late.
Check out "The Dark Knight Returns", where Batman defeats Superman (using some Kryptonite, btw.)
Miller (the author) got it right; Batman is the world's greatest detective mind (nevermind one of the top martial artists in the world), and basically an all around genius.
Might might be right, but only when the dude holding the might doesn't get outsmarted, as Superman did in "The Dark Knight Returns"
Batman is the coolest superhero ever. Why? No superpowers. Brains, altheticism, and a raging case of vengance. What can be more powerful than that?
How long until they decide to bring Super Friends over to the big screen?
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Batman v. Superman in The Dark Knight Returns
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Wixtech
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Frank Miller created an excellent graphic novel treating this very subject entitled "The Dark Knight Returns" Link. This is a story that I truly enjoyed as a life long Batman fan. If this new movie is based on Miller's vison, I say hooray. If not, then we will have to wait and see.
Re:Batman v. Superman in The Dark Knight Returns
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PMadavi
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I was about to post that if it wasn't Miller writing the script that it would probably just suck all kinds of balls, especially for anyone who's actually read Dark Knight Returns, and the first installment of Dark Knight 2. I don't know what kind of battle they've got planned, but I can't imagine it topping either of the ones that Miller has written.
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Re:Batman v. Superman in The Dark Knight Returns
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Remus+Shepherd
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"Like the kryptonite, Clark? It took years to synthesize, and cost a fortune. Fortunately I had both." -- Batman, _The Dark Knight Returns_
I doubt this movie will do the Batman vs Superman battle as well as Miller did. We'll see.
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Re:Someone tell me how Batman could beat Superman?
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3Y3
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I guess you never actually read any of the comics then, in fact basically every time they meet Batman whips superman like a little girl. Just because super man has powers doesnt mean he wins, remember, Batman is smarter and will set up any fight to his specifications. Superman isn't the brightest of fellows ever (duh..i'll use my heatvision). Just read Batman: The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller (as well as the sequal comic to is in which batman leaves superman a bloody lump) and you should get an idea what I mean.
Thats why I think this movie will be a bad idea, it cannot cature to both the hardcore comic readers and the common public. The actual comic readers would know that Batman would most likely win (or at least kick the daylights out of superman) while the common public wont be able to get past the idea that since superman has powers and batman does not, then it will be an easy victory for superman.
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Hulk vs. Superman: from the Internet Oracle
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Creosote
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Forget the movies. The best, funniest treatment of a superhero face-off ever was the Internet Oracle's response a few years ago to a query about who would win in a fight between Superman and the Hulk.
When I heard "Superman vs. Batman" I thought they were talking about the last Superman movie and the last Batman movie battling it out to see which would be the crappiest super hero movie ever. Seriously though the right director will make or break this movie.
How to Do It Right
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arfy
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This could be good.
Pray that the screenwriter (who worked on Se7en) is adapting, or at least heavily influenced by "The Dark Knight Falls" by Frank Miller.
Now that would be something worth seeing! And if you look at the director's comments in the article it's not out of the question that this is the story they may be telling...
Dark Knight Returns (spoiler)
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ydnar
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"I want you to remember, Clark... in all the years to come... in your most private moments... I want you to remember my hand at your throat... I want you to remember the one man who beat you..."
Essentially Batman kicks Superman's ass.
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Re:Dark Knight Returns (spoiler)
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3Y3
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No good will come of this movie, all the actual readers (of both the novels and comics) will know that Batman would win, but the general public will just assume that Superman would win due to his powers and will argue this to no end. No matter how they write this film a large base of people will end up disapointed and out for blood.
For all our sakes, I hope all the slashdoter's who are interested in this movie go and read at least the Frank Miller stories. I have read both the Dark Knight Returns and its sequal, both of which are an amazing written story (I can't recommend it enough)
3Y3
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Reeve is out for obvious reasons - unless you modded him into a synthespian. But even while I liked Keaton as Batman - I wasn't to keen on Reeve as Superman - I don't think either of them would be good in this sort of movie.
I see the premise and I can't help but think of Miller's "Dark Night" books and wonder who could fill the role. I could see a - much - younger Brian Dennehy playing Batman.
But what about Supe? There were rumours a year or two about abut Nick Cage putting on the red cape, but I just couldn't see that. Chris O'Donnell is aging well. Maybe someone like Vince Vaughn. That role is a tougher one to fill.
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won)
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SirSlud
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Guns are for wussies.
Batman is vengeful but ethical. Much more interesting than some trigger happy vigilante.:)
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I can think of a better one (or 2)
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night_flyer
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Batman vs. the Predator (awsome series) OR Batman Vs. Judge Dredd (first two of the three were awsome)
Batman vs Superman always seemed a bit hokey to me
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Re:I can think of a better one (or 2)
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Monkelectric
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Batman Vs. Judge Dredd (first two of the three were awsome)
How about, batman vs. Judge Judy ? I can see it now, "Young man! young man!!! Dont get guano on my shoes and tell me im not in the batcave!"
(one of her famous sayings is, "dont pee on my shoes and tell me its raining)
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Re:Christopher Reeve is a whiney bitch
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Buck2
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This is NOT a troll, this is my honest opinion. Discuss, don't mod down.
Why should you get special treatment?
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Crappy plot, I think.
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MattRog
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Batman: I finally found the people that killed my parents! Prepare to die!:holds up BatGun: Superman, swooping in: I'm sorry Bruc-- I mean 'Bat-Man'. I can't let you kill them, that would be wrong. Batman: Oh shut up you tight-wearing pansy!:looks at own tights: Ok, well at least I make this look good! Superman: After all we've been through together!:wipes tear away: Prepare to die!:turns on heat vision: Batman: Ah-hah! 'BatAntiSupermanHeatShield' activate!:heat vision deflects and blows up a nearby building: Superman: You bastard! I'll crush you with my pinky!:lunges at the Caped Crusader: Batman: Not so fast, Superdork!:whips out glowing green kryptonite rock: Superman: Noo, my one weakness! My Achilles rock, as it were!:grabs Bruce's parents killers: Now I have YOUR weakness, the vengeance for your parent's killers!:laughs heartily:
...Lather, rinse, repeat...
2 hours later
Superman::breathless and weary from a long fight: How did... how did Lex Luthor and The Joker team up to defeat us both? Batman::also beat-up: I don't know, but I suspect it is the scene for Batman V Superman II: "Two super-heads are better than one!"
Batman: I finally found the people that killed my parents! Prepare to die!:holds up BatGun:
Add this:
Batman: Hello. My name is Batman. You killed my parents. Prepare to die. Thug: STOP SAYING THAT!!!!
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This puts "Ender's Game" on hold
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Lumpish+Scholar
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According to http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/eo/ 20020709/en_movies_eo/10217, "Petersen says he will temporarily shelve his other Warners projects--the epic Trojan War and an adaptation of Orson Scott Card's sci-fi novels Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow--and will begin working on Superman vs. Batman."
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Re:this is the second time around...
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Ralph+Wiggam
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That was called Superman Lives and was supposed to be the movie that followed his death in the comic book. There isn't much of anything on IMDB, but this is what I remember about the project. Nick Cage was signed up to be the new supe. Kevin Smith was paid $300k to write a script, which he cranked out in three weeks and had Superman fighting Braniac (Smith has been a comic book geek for a lot longer than a movie geek). Tim Burton signed up to direct, but on the condition that they throw away Kevin Smith's script. After that, the project completely disappeared. I'm pretty sure the producer was Joel Silver. I just looked at his IMDB list and it's possible that Superman Lives got canned after Matrix hit big and he realized that he could start his own big franchise instead of rehashing an existing (and basically dead) one.
And that's to get Frank Miller to write (or re-write) the script. The Batman/Superman encounter in Return of the Dark Night was excellent. Also, if they paired him with M. Night Shay*an. Unbreakable was just about the best superhero movie ever. I doubt the producers will have the insight to do either though.
What a pathetic way to earn $$ & belittle 2 he
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RiotXIX
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The Simpsons: 'A star is Burns'
Bart watches TV at home.
Announcer: Coming up next, "The Flintstones" meet "The Jetsons".
Bart: Uh oh. I smell another cheap cartoon crossover.
Homer: Bart Simpson, meet Jay Sherman, the critic.
Jay: Hello.
Bart: Hey, man. I really love your show. I think _all_ kids
should watch it! [turns away] Ew, I suddenly feel so dirty.
-- "You know you don't act like a scientist, you're more like a game show host." Dana Barret
Oh, and to the guy who'd rather see Wonderwoman vs Catwoman. I think they already made that flick. It stars some girl named Jenna Jameson... is she some new hollywood actress or something?
I'm still waiting for
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unformed
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The Superhuman Royal Rumble.
Granted, it'll probably get sued by the WWE (World Wrestling Entertainment) who was recently sued by the WWF (World Wildlife Fund).
Even still, the Royal Rumble between Superman, Scooby Doo, Batman, the Penguin, Wonderwoman, Catwoman, and Tonya Harding, would be a truly kickass event.
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won)
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Drey
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And again in DK2 (sequel to Dark Knight Returns) in which he once again kicks Supe's ass. 2/3 parts currently out on comic stands.
New man of steel
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st0rmshad0w
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" It's kind of hard to imagine anybody but Christopher Reeve as the Man of Steel"
True enough, but I vote Bruce Campbell. Its all in the chin, baby.
Re:New man of steel
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Skyshadow
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Then Batman really wouldn't stand a chance. He'd kick Supes around the film in amusing ways for a half hour only to get his head blown off by a not-much-worse-for-wear, shotgun-weilding Superman.
Hail to the King, baby.
-- Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
Re:New man of steel
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Keith+Russell
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I'd go see any Superman film with the hero line:
Good... bad... I'm the guy with the heat vision.
Although I'd have a problem with Batman dancing around, singing "Little goody-two-shoes! Little goody-two-shoes!"
Nyahh, Patrick Warburton. The Tick is over, so he's free. He has practice in a rubber suit. He's got the chin, plus the height, plus the bulk.
Now, for an interesting Batman, think... Jack Nicholson. No, not the one who died as the Joker, but the one who played in Wolf. He'd have the intensity and age for a Dark Knight.
This assumes that the movie would play in a serious tone...
Now, for an interesting Batman, think... Jack Nicholson. No, not the one who died as the Joker, but the one who played in Wolf. He'd have the intensity and age for a Dark Knight.
Yeah.. that would be great. Superman beating up a corpse for an hour and a half. Have you seem him lately? He's not on the same medication as Dick Clark, that's for sure.
I hope Mr. Miller gets some credit/money out of this film.
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won)
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kikensei
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Feh. Miller's greatest, most compelling character, Daredevil, could take Batman any day. And he's blind.
Too bad that DD's silver screen debut has the awful Ben Affleck as our hero...sigh. The Miller series w/Elektra, Bullseye, and the reporter, uhhh Ben Urich, is my all time fave. DK and the current DK2 are terrific as well. Miller is just the bomb.
Best Graphic Novel of the 80's, except maybe for the Watchmen. Avoids the official DC continuity: middle-aged Wayne, out of the superhero action since Robin killed by Joker. Fascist US and local Government and public sentiment against the B-man... Much bleaker sociopolical outlook than comics or movies. Batman gets back into the game for a last hurrah. Superman is eventually called back from war against the commies to rein in Batman's illegal vigilantism. They fight, and Batman kicks whitey Superman's Ass.
My summary is inadequate, as it's been 15 years since I read The Dark Knight Returns. The (what, 200+ page?) graphic novel was much more powerful than any comic book I had ever bothered to pick up before or since. Check out the entry at everything2.
I hoped each of the Batman movies would try to capture the depth of emotion - the grief, the guilt, the fear, and the savage violence that drive's Frank Miller's Dark Knight. Maybe this is it...
"I want you to remember, Clark ... "
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Conspir8or
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Check out Frank Miller's "Dark Knight Returns" for a lesson on how an aging street vigilante with a limitless bankroll, exceptional technical talent, and a genius for exploiting weaknesses can face off against a pissed Kryptonian.
Possibly the best comic ever... and the movie that they SHOULD make, in ink and paint.
Why not Bartman vs. Stupendous Man I'd watch it, dude!
-- How ya like dat?
Re:Christopher Reeve is a whiney bitch
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azosx
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Sorry if this is OT but I can't help but respond.
Your ignorance amazes me. He's doesn't whine, other than the fact he strains to talk due to his paralysis.
I think though what you've done is confused whining with his determination to suggest the impossible. He has more hope and aspiration in one breath than you'll ever have in a lifetime.
His vision is sincere, to walk again, and he's just the catalyst to make that happen for not only himself, but millions of others who are stricken by debilitating accidents.
Parkinson's Disease has Michael J. Fox. Aids has Magic Johnson. Are they whiney bitches as well? No, they are all trying to make a difference for their individual cause and what better way to do it than to shoot for the moon?
i could see it now Warner Bros.produces a movie called "Crisis of Infinite Earths"
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won)
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JoeBuck
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SirSlud writes:
Check out "The Dark Knight Returns", where Batman defeats Superman (using some Kryptonite, btw.)
Cool. So Christopher Reeve can play Superman after all.
how much do you wanna bet?
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wantedman
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How much do you want to bet that as soon as batman and superman get to fight eachother. The villians will come out, and then they will be forced to team up to fight them. Its a typical hollywood cop out....
Um...aren't they both supposed to be good guys? What's next? "Spiderman vs. The Hulk"? "X-Men vs. The Fantastic Four"?
...according to Petersen, whose credits include "The Perfect Storm"..."
Great. Another boring George Clooney movie....
-- "Just because you're a genius doesn't make you a smart guy!"
-- Narrator, Powerpuff Girls
Reeve can still be Superman, But Keaton's Out
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guttentag
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WB can have a stunt man act in all the scenes, then CGI Reeve's face in and use a computer to simulate his voice.
But forget Keaton. He had his shot and gave it up to Val Kilmer. I want to see Bill Gates play Batman The character is in line with the image he is trying to present -- the filthy rich genius who fights for the people!
Some envisioned scenes from the CGI-Reeve v Gates movie:
"Alfred?! Why isn't my Batmobile ready for launch? What's this blue crap all over the windshield? What the fuck do I pay you for? You're fired!"
"Steve, have your developers finished the new BatmobileXP yet? Ah good."
"You idiots! I specifically told you to put kryptonite in all the new systems, not palladium. How am I supposed to kill Superman with something that poisons humans?"
Batman is the coolest superhero ever. Why? No superpowers. Brains, altheticism, and a raging case of vengance. What can be more powerful than that?
If you recall when Batman first fought the leader of the Mutants gang, same 4 issue series, he got his butt kicked and barely got away. Next time he used his brains to win (also, just barely). Seems Bats relies a bit more on luck, as he pretty much needs to.
About there my reading of the whole thing ended, but in another setting (i.e. not during the era of a 60-something Batman) it would have to be something of a political nature, to make any sense and be somewhat consistent with the current direction of both comics, BUT(!), never rule out the possibility (and entire likelihood) that Hollywood comes through and places both characters completely at odds with everything they have been and pull some lame (i.e. Dallas' Bobby Ewing's death dream) story, which is totally full of holes and dismisses generations of fans opinion of "how things should be" (a la Mission Impossible movie, bleahh(!))
Now, what I'd like to know is when there's going to be an Aliens vs Predator movie (yeah, been comics and books, but it could still be pretty darn cool) if done well and with a decent director (paging Ridley Scot, paging Ridley Scott!) 8-)
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A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Oh, I've already decided that Hollywood will destory every childhood institution I love, and this will be no exception.
They always need to dumb down the story to appeal to a wider audience, and this will always burn the purists like me. (Well, okay, not _always always_, but a good 95% of the time.) When they do maintain the integrity of the comic (like Ghost World), they're too scared of mass marketing it, and nobody sees it.
-- "Old man yells at systemd"
Re:Brains vs. Brawn
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jafac
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It certainly has a potential for good political commentary.
Batman's big beef against Superman in the Dark Knight series was that Superman was a bit too boy-scouty, a bit too flag-wavingly patriotic. Too much of a political tool. Too much Law and Order, not enough Justice. Batman was perceived to have "crossed the line" and Superman was sent to reign him in.
In this post 9/11 PATRIOT Act Globalization Corporate Facism Goth/geek-profiling-from-Columbine-aftermath world (heh, I beat Jon Katz to the punch with THAT one) - there's EXCELLENT fodder for political commentary. Too bad the spineless wussies will probably shelve that idea.
-- These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
In this post 9/11 PATRIOT Act Globalization Corporate Facism Goth/geek-profiling-from-Columbine-aftermath world (heh, I beat Jon Katz to the punch with THAT one) - there's EXCELLENT fodder for political commentary. Too bad the
spineless wussies will probably shelve that idea.
Typically it's been the Dems (conservative southerners?) going after Hollywood for making gratuitous violent/obsene/whatever movies just to rake in the bucks, while making sure enough high profile ones get enough campaign $$$ to ensure nothing which really sticks comes out of washington. Now, assume Hollywood _DID_ make a post 9/11 Batman vs. Superman, where W. is painted with the same brush that Reagan was in DK (Reagan was painted as a reckless warmonger who was the first to head to his bomb shelter when the Russians launched a nuclear counter-attack) and you can bet the next time some legislation concerning restricting TV/Games/Movies/Radio comes up, it'll have more support than Reps and moderates usually give it.
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A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Shelve that idea? WTF? Hollywood scriptwriters, and most Hollywood people in general, share your anti-American opinions. The biggest box office draw, Tom Cruise, said "I think the U.S. is terrifying" and considers the USA an unfit environment in which to raise his children. There's plenty of anti-everything sentiment in popular movies...the single example I will cite is the deep green pro-human-genocide message in "The Matrix".
I certainly expect Superman's message of TJAW to be thoroughly fouled and shown to be horribly wrong when the movie comes out. Hollywood engages in anti-conservative (NOT liberal) political commentary every chance it gets...
I don't get it. Maybe you're just karma whoring (you did mention columbine).
-- Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
I think you made his point. The movie will be very black and white; these blockbusters dont really actually have much to say in terms of a serious political discourse.
You've just basically gone ahead and pointed out that the hollywood blockbusters never really ponders an idea; they go ahead and tell you whats right, whats wrong, and its fairly evident to see how they like to criticise the right. (Although, why shouldn't they, they are artists (even if really really commercial ones))
Thats not really criticism, as other movies fill the role of being unjudgemental about their subjects.. its just harder to find 'em.:P
History Lesson
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Guppy06
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"It's kind of hard to imagine anybody but Christopher Reeve as the Man of Steel"
Once upon a time nobody could see anybody but George Reeves playing Superman. A change in actors can be done successfully. Whether it will be done successfully is a whole other matter.
On the other hand, Batman has been played by a revolving door of actors since Keaton.
Nope. Bring back Keaton. Keaton has the "just-this-side-of-psycho" eyes that the Dark Knight needs. Alternatively, if they want an older Batman (ala Miller), then do what someone else suggested and bring in Clint Eastwood. He also has the "repressed psycho" thing down.
-- General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
Re:History Lesson
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Anonymous Coward
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There seems to be some kind of curse placed on Superman actors. George committed suicide (ironically by leaping out the window of a tall building in a single bound), and Christopher almost died in that horse accident.
Maybe Carrot Top should be the next Superman
But who will die in this flick???
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vertaxis
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In every Batman movie, the villian dies. In the comics and the TV shows, the Villian rarely dies.
So, will they kill Superman in the film, make Superman and Batman allies, or come up with something "creative" for a change?
-- Fear is the enemy; the one true enemy. {Sun Tzu-The Art of War}
I've seen a lot of people talking about how Batman can beat Superman and whatnot, but my question is why? Why would they need to fight? I mean, superman is a good guy. Batman is a good guy with questionable ethics...
Can someone who's read the comics explain to me what happened and who started it?
The first thing you have to realize is that there isn't any, "OK, here's what happened..." answer. Superman and Batman (in comics) are separate storylines, directed by separate creative teams. Each has its own loose continuity; but as the books change hands over the years, different artists and writers come and go, and many try to stake out their own territory by (1) writing continuity-altering events into the present, or (2) revising the past.
First, a nameless thug gunned down Bruce Wayne's parents. Then, a team came along and named that character ("Joe Chill"), and wrote a confrontation between the Chill and Batman ("Batman: Year Two"). Then another team came along and wrote a story that said, "No, actually, it wasn't Joe Chill after all..." And then, of course, the 1989 movie came along, and said, "Hey, it wasn't a nameless thug who killed the Waynes. It was the Joker." Back and forth. "Suspension of disbelief" is very important.:-)
There have been all sorts of confrontations between Batman and Superman in comics throughout the years. The basic conflict boils down to this: Batman is a dark, obsessed character. He distrusts everyone, and is your basic control freak. Superman, on the other hand, is your basic "good guy": He wants to save everybody from everything, and doesn't want anything in return. Batman doesn't trust Superman 'cause Batman doesn't trust anyone; and Superman doesn't trust Batman 'cause Batman's obsessed, and could fly off the handle at any time -- quite possibly killing someone.
Charitable writers have teamed up the pair in the past, but it's never a "comfy" team-up. At the end of the day, Batman always knows he has a chunk of kryptonite hidden away in his Batcave, just in case Superman (who is an alien, after all) gets out of control. Other writers have played up the conflict, usually using Batman's obsessive side as catalyst. Example: Gotham City was destroyed by an earthquake, and Superman wanted to help the citizens. Batman told his to get out of "my city" (his words). Several writers have referenced a standing agreement on the part of other superheroes: They stay out of Gotham, unless their help is specifically requested by Batman.
As far as the loose continuity goes, there isn't any standing grudge between Batman and Superman. They don't get along very well, but they work together respectfully when they have to. There's no backstory that involves any sort of huge blowout. Every big fight they've had has occurred outside the continuity. (Several readers have referenced Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns" storyline. This took place far in Batman's future. The story begins with Batman's return from retirement, and Miller introduces familiar characters who have undergone huge changes during the story's course.)
I doubt they'll make an actual "Batman Battles Superman" movie. More likely, the two will have some rivalry, but eventually team up to destroy...Brainiac, or the Joker, or the Clock King, or whomever the hell the producer decides to cast. Personally, I think it'd be REALLY cool to see Adam West in a major role, maybe as Ra's al Ghul -- one of Batman's lesser-known but major foes....Hope I helped.
clooney might have been a better batman, but joel schumacher's directing was all wrong for the batman movies. in my opinion it was schumacher's wrong headed directing and the studio's insistance on milking the batman franchise for every last bit of license income that wrecked the franchise.
-- when religion is no longer the opiate of the masses, governments will resort to real opiates.
...should star as Batman's aging, dissipated, stuck-in-the-Sixties swinging uncle, ala Michael Kane in Goldmember. He drives something which resembles the old Batmobile, and gets about 9 miles per gallon when not in rocket-assist mode. Yeah, bay-bee! Groovy!
-- This is my post. There are many others like it. If you don't like what you read here, go try one of the others.
Matt Damon, not Michael Keaton
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tbmaddux
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It's kind of hard to imagine anybody but Christopher Reeve as the Man of Steel -- somebody check Michael Keaton's schedule.
According tp the IMDB's "Celebrity News" the director wants Matt Damon. Here's the relevant text:
Matt Damon may get his choice of playing either Batman or Superman in a new movie that brings the comic book superheroes together - as enemies. Moviemaker Wolfgang Petersen has signed up to direct Batman vs. Superman for a 2004 release, and he wants Damon among his stars. The director says, "Matt's an interesting action man and a hell of an actor." The Perfect Storm director jumped at the chance to make the new movie because he likes the idea of pitting two heroes against each other. He says, "It's a clash of the titans. They play off each other so perfectly - Superman is clear, bright, all that is noble and good, and Batman represents the dark, obsessive and vengeful side. It'll make for great drama."
-- Can't you see that everyone is buying station wagons?
Re:Matt Damon, not Michael Keaton
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jafac
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That would definately suck.
Batman and Superman in the Dark Knight were OLD.
How about; Sean Connery (minus the accent) as Batman.
That'd be about as perfect as you could get.
-- These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
Re:Matt Damon, not Michael Keaton
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Slak
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Have you ever seen a Connery movie where he drops the accent? Didn't think so.
How about Clint Eastwood as the Dark Night - think "Unforgiven" - if it's to be anything like "The Fall".
Cheers, Slak
Re:Matt Damon, not Michael Keaton
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Slak
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Damn, that should read "Dark Knight"
Re:Matt Damon, not Michael Keaton
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jafac
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eh? Clint would work too. The cape would kind of have the same effect as the poncho in "Two Mules..." - I could see Clint-Batman lighting a kryptonite bomb with a cigar. . .
-- These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
Re:Matt Damon, not Michael Keaton
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Malicious
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Yeah, and sticking to the Comic Scene, get Kevin Smith involved, and soon you'll have Ben Afleck, and they'll be calling it Superman/Batman Vs Daredevil.
I know it's crossing comic worlds [DC Vs Marvel] But it's Ben and Matt. Someone else thought of this before me i assure you.
Re:Matt Damon, not Michael Keaton
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Cplus
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Now if you were Matt Damon, which would you pick?
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-- Dalai Lama
Re:Matt Damon, not Michael Keaton
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Rogerborg
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Matt Damon may get his choice of playing either Batman or Superman
Oh dear god. And here we see how Hollywood funding works. Title, Director, headline name, cha-CHING, fill in the blanks (including concept and script) later. How can Matt Damon be ideal for both roles? Does he get to pick his favourite, and then they just cast the other? What if he changes his mind after filming starts? We know (from the way he dumped Minnie Driver via an announcement on Oprah) that he's an arrogant, self important prick. How smart is it to give him license to dictate and decide terms on a project like this, and what does it say about the artistic vision of the director that his image of both characters has the same face?
The more that I hear about this, the more I become convinced that this will be just another tedious by-the-numbers banker. No tough decisions, no risk. The only possible point of interest is how they'll cripple Superman so that they can work in the inevitable fist fight. I rather suspect that we'll just see the Dark Knight Returns scene, lifted out of context.
-- If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
Personally, I'd like to see The Rock in this film - I think he'd make a great Batman,
You sir have made me violently ill with such a comment. The rock deserves a role commensurate to his acting skill and mental prowess. Yes, scrubbing my toilet for the rest of his life seems appropriate to me.
Actually, the original RC2 ending was pretty damn clever. None of that bash-the-brains-out-on-the-sidewalk-while-he's-sti ll-watching-ride-em-cowboy crap.
Remember the drugs they gave him? That cansiter of Nuke? It was a bomb.
Drugs'll kill ya, especially when they're loaded with c-4.
They couldn't outfight the new RC so they had to outsmart him. The ending they used was a steamy pile in comparison.
Man 1: I don't see why Rainier Wolfcastle should be the star. I think we should bring back George Reeves. Kids will want to see the original Superman. Assistant:I keep telling you, he's 73 years old and he's dead. Man 1:Granted, but --
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won)
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Cro+Magnon
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I haven't read DKR, but while some writer can set up a situation where Batman wins, the odds are still in Superman's favor. The ONLY way Batman can win is with kryptonite, and unless Superman is suckered, he can fry Bats with heat-vision long before Bats got in range to use the kryptonite.
-- Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
I'll ignore your mentioning Spiderman for the moment. Yahoo News has a story with more details about this movie including a very basic plot and the character type of Batman and Superman.
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won)
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cHALiTO
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Heh, i think i remember once seeing an episode when Superman looks at batman with his x-ray vision, and sees he's Bruce Wayne, and tells him something like "go home bruce" (trying to impress bruce by letting him know that he knew who he was, etc), and later, when superman gets to his appartment and 'changes' into Clark kent, he looks out the window and sees batman on the roof across the street, looking with a pair of binoculars and a smile that said "yeah, i bet now you feel *really* dumb".
Superman is a sissy.. never kills anyone, and when he does, he makes a drama out of it. And besides, it's too much like Captain America.. he's too.. american:) (don't get mad at me.. it's just that i get tired sometimes of watching the us flag on the tv screen like it was a desktop wallpaper or something..)
Batman just plain rocks.. and Alan Grant was did the best scripts for it.
-- "Luck is my middle name," said Rincewind, indistinctly. "Mind you, my first name is Bad." -- Terry Pratchett
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won)
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jafac
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Maybe hand it over to Lucas, then he can do Superman with a CGI of Christopher Reeves' face.
IIRC, Superman did not lose - he and Batman colluded; Batman had a faked death, and came out of a drug-induced catelepsy in the grave (was later dug up by his trusty butler).
-- These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
wonder women vs. cat women no holds barred mud match with xena princess warrior as ref! now that's something I can get behind.
-- speak it don't spit it.
Yea, we want a real LAME MOVIE
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dh003i
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Yeah, I've been waiting years for a real lame movie to watch.
While they're at it with "Superman v. Batman", why don't they throw in a few more lame scenarios, like:
Batman v. Spiderman
Spiderman v. Superman
Jaws v. Jurassic Park
Jason v. Freddy
Lara Croft v. Indianna Jones
Come one, does it get any lamer than this? Imagine what went through their minds when they came up with this one:
hmm...we could have another lame sequel that would make us a lot of money because people are stupid enough to keep coming back for more....or we could combine this movie with that movie to make a really lame movie that won't make sense and'll suck, but it'll bring in the fans from both series and make us gobs and gobs and gobs of money. Then we'll do a sequel.
Re:Yea, we want a real LAME MOVIE
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so1omon
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Jason vs. Freddy has been "in the works" for years. Didn't you see the end of "Jason Goes to Hell", where Freddy pulls Jason's hockey mask down into hell?
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Re:Yea, we want a real LAME MOVIE
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linzeal
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""Freddy X: Nightmare in Cyberspace", starring britney spears and music score by n`sync.
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What AOL/TW really needs to do is to get off their asses and do some more things with their animated super hero serei. I'm sorry but just about every live-action Batman movie I've seen can't hold a candle to a single half-hour episode of Batman: The Animated Series. Give us a JL movie or another Batman Beyond or something!
Just looking at the way the live-action Batman movies WB has put out portrays the villans (the Joker, the Penguin, Mr. Freeze, Bane, Catwoman, Poison Ivy, Two-Face, etc.) and then looking at how those same characters have been done in the animated series... can anybody honestly tell me that they're really looking forward to another live-action movie? What they did to Mr. Freeze and Bane alone should be reason to shudder with fear...
That's what CGI is for
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GuyMannDude
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Ouch! That's cold. Funny tho...
Let's just pray that George Lucas doesn't petition the filmmakers to let him give Christopher Reeve some CGI legs. Hey if they could remove Gary Senise's legs in Forest Gump...
Why would he need CG legs to return as Superman? He should be able to fly and shoot lasers from his eyes and blow cold and whatnot just as easily from a chair as not. Yoda managed just fine in AoTC, after all...
And for an encore, Bat-Mite vs. Mr. Myxzptlk ...
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Mad+Bad+Rabbit
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Interesting. He might make a decent Batman - he's actually got the acting ability to pull off a proper tortured Bruce Wayne. Unlike some other Batman impersonators we've seen (Clooney - the shiny-happy Batman).
I still think Val Kilmer was the best Batman we've yet seen. Perhaps it was the writing, perhaps the direction, but I didn't really dig Keaton as The Bat.
Re:Someone tell me how Batman could beat Superman?
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Archfeld
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LOL the BAT Kryptonite necklace.....God this is gonna be cheesy..Go Hollywood
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Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won)
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DNS-and-BIND
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So, Batman can beat Superman the first time he tries, but Lex Luthor and Brainiac (two great minds) together can't do it, despite having the benefit of hundreds of experiences trying? I think Miller might have had a little prejudice for his hero on his side:)
-- Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Thats why I think this movie will be a bad idea, it cannot cature to both the hardcore comic readers and the common public. The actual comic readers would know that Batman would most likely win (or at least kick the daylights out of superman) while the common public wont be able to get past the idea that since superman has powers and batman does not, then it will be an easy victory for superman.
I suggest that a comprimise already exists lower down the discussion page: Cast Bruce Campbell as Superman.
This will effectively allow you to please everyone. Batman can beat the daylights out of Bruce, and in the end Bruce can dispatch Batman using a chainsaw or shotgun and make a smart-alec quip. Viola, the general public gets what it expects and all the hardcore fans will be too busy messing themselves to care about what would "really" happen.
-- Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
This will not be like 'Batman and Robin' This will not be like 'Batman and Robin'
I can't see the movie being half as good as an episode of Batman the Animated Series. The characters of Batman and Superman have such great depth, regretably some hollywierd casting director will pull a demographic move, rather than using real actors. Here's to holding out hope.
-- There are some people that if they don't know, you can't tell 'em.
You're forgetting that Superman is a goody-goody and Batman kind of has a dark, evil side to him. And as Dark Helmet would say "Evil will always defeat good because good is dumb."
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Hail to the king!! Mod parent up!
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mekkab
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I'm feeling that... I'm with you on this one...
I can't think of a better post-modern super hero than Bruce Campbell. Heck, even the satiric edge we've all come to associate him with (army of darkness, et al) works perfectly! Come on, now that we're adults we shouldn't be eating chicken and stars soup and we shouldn't be expected to have a total suspension of disbelief...
P.S.- I do not work for progresso.
-- In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
What happened to the Superman Lives movie where Nicholas Cage was supposed to play Superman? Quite frankly, I agree it's hard to picture anyone but Christopher Reeves in the role of Superman.
-- "If you are on fire you can just stop, drop, and roll. If you fall into Lava you are just dead." - my 5yr old daughter
Re:Someone tell me how Batman could beat Superman?
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jafac
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Now, I sold my Dark Knight books (and made a bundle) back in the 90's, but I think I recall the sequence being something like;
Batman hides in some buildings, Superman uses his x-ray vision, x-ray-seeking missile auto-launches carrying warhead of synthesized kryptonite as Bruce comments how many years and how much money it cost to make. .. Clark gets creamed.
-- These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won)
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Skyshadow
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· Score: 4, Funny
Kmart. A lot of people never shop there, but there's actually some great super hero supplies stashed back behind the fishing stuff in sporting goods.
Don't tell anyone.
-- Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
Re:The Great Carnak holds the envelope to his head
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eaddict
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Thanks for the chuckle! I spit my soda all over my keyboard and PC when I first read this!
-- "If you are on fire you can just stop, drop, and roll. If you fall into Lava you are just dead." - my 5yr old daughter
In reply George Lucas anonced 3 new episodes of SW
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red_gnom
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Episode VII "Supermen vs. Skywalker" Episode VIII "Darth Vader vs. Dark Batman" Episode IX "Han Solo vs. Princess Leia Organa"
Since those projects are categorized as being in production, the data is subject to change or could be removed completely.
A serious reply: Would a superheroine movie sell?
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GuyMannDude
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· Score: 3, Insightful
Titilation aside, I wonder if the time is approaching that mainstream America is ready for a superheroine movie that isn't a joke or B-movie trash. The popularity of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon seems to indicate the American audiences may be willing to accept women as competent, powerful fighters. But I wonder if that acceptance wasn't because the whole movie was supposed to be a fantasy (with the flying and all). What do slashdotters think about the popularity of a serious big-budget Hollywood superheronie movie? You think people would go to see it?
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won)
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Skyshadow
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Superman doesn't really fight very well, either. I suspect it's just always been too easy for him -- it's like always practicing Quake with the bots set on the lowest possible level.
Effective tactics for Superman: Zip up to Batman at light speed and make balloon animals out of his small intestines tied together with his spinal cord. Do this very quickly -- preferably while the "get kryptonite from utility belt" message is still en route from Batman's brain to his hand.
But nooo... He's just got to showboat. That, plus a certain amount of writer irony, is what gets him in trouble.
-- Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
Don't fall for this!
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CleverNickName
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· Score: 2, Funny
This movie is just a ploy to get all of us geeks into theatres so they can gas us, and stop our anti-DMCA, pro-open-source, anti-Jar-Jar rhetoric.
Have you been approached to play Batman? (Or Robin?)
Hmmm. Given that this isn't going to be Dark Knight Returns or Kingdom Come, they might as well start over with a new (or a Next, ahem) generation of actors. Superman requires a wholesome, All-American actor.
Honestly, can you imagine anyone better than Wil? You could just see him on a Young Republican recruitment poster, and most people will remember him as the too good to be true "I'll-save-the-day!" Wesley Crusher.
Kick the campaign off, it'll get my name on it. Or maybe I just want to see him in a skintight unitard again.
-- If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
Remember, kids... the important part of the word "unitard" is tard.
They use to be friends...
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Vinnie_333
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Whatever happened to the good old days when Superman and Batman use to be friends (ala "World's Finest" comics in which they teamed up on a regular basis to battle some extra tough baddies).
I think Superman and Batman would be a better movie idea than Superman vs. Batman. After all, both being crime fighters and "fighters for justice", neither one of them can be protrayed in a really negative light. And a 2 hour "misunderstanding" in which they kiss and make up at the end would be really lame.
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"We shall party like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean." - HedonismBot
that batman could win. All the martial arts in the world isn't going to do squat when you break your hand/foot/arm/head when you hit superman's body. Sorry, that's not a fight. As others have pointed out, in a raw "cage match" with no kryptonite, no bat belt, superman would only have to hit Batman one time and game over.
-- -- DuckWing
Re:Kryptonite is only way..
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sigmund999
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So, Batman can't use any of his 'powers'..
Then we must ask the big boy scout to play fair and by the rules and not use any of his.
That includes 'invunerablility'
Oh... but thats not fair? Then I guess we have to let them both use the 'powers' at their disposal - and as it's been said - it was done, Bats won, live with it.
Siggy.
Re:Kryptonite is only way..
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sketch7
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Ah yes, I can see Alfred retrieving some Kryptonite from the Bat Cave for Batman...
Re:Someone tell me how Batman could beat Superman?
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osgeek
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That's the kind of contrived bullshit that will lead to a decrease in the enjoyment that I'll have when viewing the movie.
Superman is a genius intellect and partially a product of an advanced race and civilization. He's able to make an enormous number of decisions at nearly the speed of light (move at near the speed of light, and you kinda need to be able to think that quickly as well). Time and again in the cartoons and comics, supervillains neutralize Superman's physical advantages, and Superman has to instead outsmart them.
So we can see after years of evidence that he's this world-class intellect, yet Batman is going to defeat Superman's nearly invincible physical attributes. That's just contrived nonsense. You'd think by now that Superman would be paranoid when entering a situation where he might be trapped in closed quarters with someone bearing Kryptonite. But no, X-Ray vision and all, he's going to walk right into it once again. Ugh, it's just awful.
I hate people with a limited imagination....
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nexusone
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"It's kind of hard to imagine anybody but Christopher Reeve as the Man of Steel -- somebody check Michael Keaton's schedule."
I did not like Christopher Reeves, when he was picked for the Superman moves.... He sucked as Superman.
I as for Michael Keaton, he sucked as Batman. Him playing Superman would suck even more.....
-- Wise men speak because they have something to say, Fools because they have to say something!!!!
There is only one way this movie could work...
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Anonvmous+Coward
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· Score: 2, Interesting
Sadly, Hollywood's taste is so bad that I think this flick will simply be a 'Who would win?' type of movie. Unfortunately, that's not an interesting subject for reasons that people have already posted here.
Instead, they should develop the movie that gives you deeper insights into each character, taking the plot away from the 'whos gonna win?' direction. To put it another way: If you find out that Batman wins, it shouldn't ruin the movie for you.
With that said, why not explore what could possibly make these two guys fight? What kind of ethical questions would that provide for Superman? What could possibly happen to make the Man of Steel defeat somebody who, like himself, has made his life's work to protect people?
How would Batman feel about having the opportunity to deal the death blow to Superman? In light of how his parents were killed, how could he bring himself to destroy somebody that undoubtedly would have prevented it if he could?
They both had their parents killed tragically, they have that pain in common. Could they come to a resolution?
In any case, with questions like these (or hopefully more interesting ones, I am not a writer heh) the movie could actually be rather meaningful. If the movie tries to be like Spiderman and is written to show of using the latest effects to have two 'super humans' battle it out, then there's no way it's going to but much more than a jock flick.
I hope somebody puts some interesting thought into this. Both characters are deep enough that they could tell a fascinating story. This really is the type of movie that should be animated. It's hard to take a guy seriously when he's wearing bright blue underwear.
Re:There is only one way this movie could work...
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Thnurg
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There seems to be a lot of assumption that this movie would cast Batman and Superman as enemies. I would hope that it would not be a movie where we are expected to cheer one and jeer the other. I expect it to be that both of them unite against a common enemy, but fall out over each others methods. Perhaps Batman gets pissed that Superman was off saving a cat from up a tree while the villain was making his get-away. Or Superman gets the hump when Batman gets a little too vicious in extracting information from the villain's cronies. Either way, something like this would make for a better movie than pitching them as enemies.
Now the movie I'd REALLY like to see would be Martial Law vs The X-Men.
-- The months are just too short. I can count the number of days on one hand.
Re:There is only one way this movie could work...
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Anonvmous+Coward
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"There seems to be a lot of assumption that this movie would cast Batman and Superman as enemies."
Well yeah, the word 'Vs.' or versus really does kind of imply that. Heh.:)
Im more curious about what it'd take to get those two to fight rather than who'd win.
Great idea, here's the script...
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Kredal
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Batman: Bane broke my back all those years ago, and I can still beat up badguys with the best of them! I just had to take a little break.. heh heh.
Superman: Enough with the bad jokes! Nobody gave you a kryptonite wheelchair.
Batman: That's because I'm rich and powerful, and can afford the best, while you're just a pansie who thinks he can fly.
Superman: I coud fly... and you're the one named after a flying rat. Why can't you get off the ground without help?
Batman: At least I can get out of bed without help.
And so on....
-- Whoever stated that signature sizes should be limited to one hundred and twenty characters can just go ahead and kiss my
Christopher Reeve as Superman
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acoustix
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· Score: 2
It's kind of hard to imagine anybody but Christopher Reeve as the Man of Steel.
It's kind of hard to imagine that people think Christopher Reeve is the only Superman. Christopher Reeve is not the first person to play Superman and he will not be the last.
However, I do think he's played Superman the best out of all of them.
-- "A plan fiendishly clever in its intricacies"- Homer Simpson
First, Batman is way cooler than Superman.. I mean, some alien kid that looks _exactly_ human yet has amazing powers and saves the world all the time is cool enough, but Batman is just that much cooler because he doesn't save the freakin world all the time, and he's not perfect, he has more than 1 flaw (read: superman is only vulnerable to kryptonite, a truly rare ore, yet it somehow always shows up at the wrong time, yet there's NONE on Earth so where is it coming from blah blah) and Batman's women are just hotter. Period.
Not to knock on the S-man, but I seriously doubt this would make a good movie, especially if superman 'wins' the battle, or whatever.
Second, they're both GOOD guys. Batman is not evil, he does what he does for the good of Gotham, and if you're going to make one of the two go bad I would think Superman is a better choice -- use a 'kryptonite voodoo doll from Superman's home planet' or something, but don't make BATMAN THE EVIL ONE..
If they think of some cheesy reason for Batman to go evil I can garauntee this movie will be eye-candy without much real plot or emotion... and not worth 10 dollars.
Third,
Omg there are so many better pairs of archvillain/monsters vs. good guys/heroes than saying either Batman or Superman has gone evil and now one of em has to beat the other... That's just counterproductive, and downright lame.
I want to see Aliens vs. Predator vs. Batman, not Superman vs. Batman, that's just too much MAN.
Besides, just compare their wardrobes... Batman wins hands down.
-- I do not respond to cowards. Especially anonymous ones.
My brother works as an electrician for the movie industry up here in BC, Canada. He's in the queue to work on the movie "Jason versus Freddie Krueger", which will probably be shot later this year.
We all know Batman will win. All you have to do is bring some of that stuff that neutralizes Superman's power (what's it called... petroleum or something; but it looks more like green cheese to me;)
To paraphrase The Onion...
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dswensen
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· Score: 2, Funny
Working title: "Superman Vs. Batman: The Last Thing You'd Ever Want To Sit Through."
Re:A serious reply: Would a superheroine movie sel
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JoeBuck
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· Score: 2, Informative
Well, people watch this show.
The original Buffy movie was a joke, of course, but the TV show takes things quite seriously.
I know someone who will love this
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Joel+Ironstone
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The guy from my college dorm with the untouchable collection of star wars paraphanelia will cream himself over this.
Re:A serious reply: Would a superheroine movie sel
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Skirwan
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· Score: 5, Funny
But I wonder if that acceptance wasn't because the whole movie was supposed to be a fantasy (with the flying and all).
I hate to burst your bubble, but Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and Catwoman are all fantasy too. Completely fictional.
You might want to get out more.
-- Damn the Emperor!
A "World's Finest" type movie is more likely.
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Thag
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· Score: 2
I see this running like every crossover comic ever written:
Reel 1: Batman and Superman cross paths, get in each other's way and fight, messing each other up but neither taking home a definitive win. Kiss another Batplane goodbye.
Reel 2: Villians gang up on Batman and Superman.
Reel 3: Batman and Superman team up and defeat villians.
For a good idea of what I mean, see the 3-part World's Finest comic that Steve Rude illustrated for DC a few years back. It rocked.
Of course, for Joe Sixpack, "Batman vs. Superman" is a better title than "World's Finest," since Joe Sixpack doesn't get the reference to the old teamup title from the fifties.
Lastly, while I wish Christopher Reeve all the best, he wasn't the first actor to play Superman, and he won't be the last. It might be nice to get Gene Hackman back as Lex Luthor, though.
Jon Acheson
-- All opinions expressed herein are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled.
Re:A "World's Finest" type movie is more likely.
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Sandman1971
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· Score: 1
Gene Hackman? Oh god, no! If Luthor appears in the movie, they should get the guy who plays LUthor in Smallville. He's just perfect for the role.
How the heck does a missle hit this guy? He flies fast enough to travel through time but he can't avoid or destroy a freakin' missle with his heat vision, super breath or by throwing something at it really hard???
I must confess, I've not much of a comics guy, although in my youth...talking 60's and early 70's here...I read a buttload of Spiderman, DareDevil and Incredible Hulk. I suspose I read and watched my share of Batman as well (was Adam West hillarious as Batman or what!!!).
I read all the posts about outsmarting the super dude, but I just don't buy it. When you can move as fast as he can, are as strong as he is along with all the other powers it just don't add up.
Batman vs. Superman just ain't a fight.
I could maybe buy Batman assasinating Superman, if he snuck up on him when he was on the crapper or something...ummm, Superman does crap doesn't he?
Well, in The Dark Knight Returns Superman is caught in a nuclear explosion caused by a bomb designed to induce a devestatingly large EMP. He winds up looking like a shrivelled up corpse. After falling to the ground, he manages to reconstitute himself using the stored energy in the local plant life. When Batman releases the X-ray hunting missles, they hit Superman because he hadn't fully recovered yet. (There's a line like "He'd have to be at his top speed to avoid them. I watch them kick him around a bit. I've had worse." - Gotta love Batman.)
Batman's goal wasn't to kill Superman, but merely to give him a taste of what it was like to lose, to have someone's hands at his throat. Superman could have defeated Batman easily, but he was taking it easy.
Re:Someone tell me how Batman could beat Superman?
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ctrimble
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Superman may be a genius and clever and all that, but there are certain ways that he simply won't think because it's against his nature. Batman, on the other hand, has a sick, sick mind. (That's why he keeps fighting the joker -- you get the villians you deserve.)
Also, Superman is extremely vulnerable to magic (which is why Wonder Woman's lasso can hold him). Supes gets blasted with magic more often than kryptonite. Now, I'm not saying that Batman's going to team up with David Copperfield. I'm just saying that he doesn't have to rely on kryponite.
Finally, just because Superman can think at the speed of light doesn't mean that he can solve any problem instantly. What if Batman's trap can't be solved in polynomial time?
Re:A serious reply: Would a superheroine movie sel
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Cro+Magnon
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NOOOO! Tell me it's not so!
-- Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won)
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Ruger
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· Score: 1
basically - i think your a moron. Look it up in the dictionary.
Funny...the way it reads, you're the moron.
Ruger
Would rather see batman vs spawn/spidrman
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Kasmiur
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· Score: 2
The spawn vs batman comic was cool.
And batman vs spiderman could ride the wave of spidermans success.
-- -THIS SPACE FOR RENT!
Much more story behind this than most of you know
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azcoffeehabit
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The Superman VS. Batman Story is from the Dark Knight Returns series of graphic Novels by Frank Miller. Along with having a (new)female robin, (The old Robin [Dick Grayson I beleave] moved on to become NightWing(?) hehe, this is going way back)... Superman gets a serious beating from Batman.. In the end when Batman and Superman do go at it, Batman gets the help of the (at that time one-armed) Green Arrow(??) which uses a special green(?whichever one makes him mortal?) kryptonite Powdered tip to weaken Superman. Then Batman gets all kung-fu samuari on him and ends up beating Superman Bloody.. A beautiful moment in comics.. I personally always liked the big B (frank miller style) more than Stuperman;). ah, the good ol' days...
And as much as I liked the much-mentioned Frank Miller series that had Bats whipping Superman's butt, I must agree with you.
My favorite evidence of Superman's speedy brain was in an old Radioshack promotional comic book I picked up in the early 1980's. It posed a division problem involving large integers to Superman and the almighty TRS-80. Superman could solve the problem in his head and write the solution on a chalkboard in the time between pressing enter on the TRS-80's keyboard and the appearance of the result on the monitor.
Could Batman defeat the great and powerful TRS-80?
Could Batman defeat the great and powerful TRS-80?
Sure he could, but I can just hear the slashkids now...
Maybe he could defeat the TRS-80, but the new Amiga that's about to come out would kick his ass! R0X0RZ!
Re:Someone tell me how Batman could beat Superman?
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markmoss
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· Score: 4, Interesting
Wouldn't Superman crush Batman in about a milli-second?
That's always been a problem for the Superman scriptwriters - how to make _anything_ be a challenge, since over the years since the comic strip started (around 1930?) they've attributed so much strength and so many abilities to him that anything short of a galaxy-sized black hole ought to be easy. He's the irresistible force and the immovable object. And if he screws up and lets something bad happen without being there to stop it, he can just fly faster than light to reverse time. You'd think his only real problem would be keeping his personal organizer up to date (08:45 save Lois from bad guy 1, 08:50 save the world from bad guy 2, 08:55 pick up a mugger from the alley and drop him off at Sing Sing, 09:00 put in an appearance in civies as the mild mannered reporter who missed all the fun again, 09:05 save Lois again...)
So how is Batman, who is just a human being with really nice toys, going to face Superman? Yawn, kryptonite again. Obviously that stuff deadens his brain long before he comes close enough to lose his strength, otherwise he'd have learned not to fall for it every time. And it's easy to find green kryptonite on earth, even for convicts on the run from the law, let alone billionaires.
IIRC, someone once calculated from the quantities of kryptonite that have turned up on Earth and the inverse square law, that Krypton must have been so massive it collapsed into a black hole.
Yes, Batman would whoop Supermans ass, I follow the comics, its always been Batman on top, his tactics took down all of the new JLA. But come on, its Hollywood folks, its going to be like the animated pairing, they fight, they notice that each underestimated the other, they shake hands, and fight whatever evil menace Hollywood decides to bring up. It would be bad moral for America if Superman, the shining star of American Freedom, Justice and all that crap, got beaten by a Dark Knight who bends and breaks the law to get the job done. No, it will be some cushy kids movie and another waste of celluloid spewed from the anal passage that is Hollywood. Nuff said Bub!
where W. is painted with the same brush that Reagan was in DK (Reagan was painted as a reckless warmonger who was the first to head to his bomb shelter when the Russians launched a nuclear counter-attack)
Picture nine-eleven in your mind... picture Bush hearing about the Catepiller, then hearing about some "really bad piloting" (his joke, really), then sitting still for 23 more minutes, then making like the Road Runner for a bunker in the midwest, while Cheney stayed in the White House and actually ran the tactical response.
Miller wouldn't have to work hard to paint Dubya as a warmongering coward.
Even the president of the US has to answer to the people, and it was decided long, long ago once the Secret Service took responsibility for his protection that he was supposed to be taken out of harm's way when threatened. I know, you're just disappointed that the man who defeated your autocratic Green Party candidate wasn't murdered. You really ought to read/watch the news, Bin Laden's cronies were gunning for the president.
If you're gunning for the Pres, I think hitting the WTC with 2 planes and the Pentagon with another is missing your mark _just a little_. Seems more like you're hitting Jewish folks and washington war mongers to me.
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won)
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Kwil
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· Score: 3, Informative
Well.. what wasn't mentioned is Batman did have a wee bit of an advantage in the Miller books.
Superman had just recently been at ground zero of a multi-megaton nuclear bomb, one that kicked up enough dust that there was next to no sunlight getting through to the earth. Being that sunlight is what powers Superman, he was in a weakened condition to begin with.
Plus, Superman didn't actually want to kill Batman - he was just there to "bring him in", and considering that Batman was in his elder years in the DKR, Superman was probably holding back considerably.
Mix this with Batman being in a veritable tank of a suit and using Superman's known weaknesses (such as they are) including electricity, sonics, and of course kryptonite (which in the words of the comic "The stuff took years and millions of dollars to synthesize, but luckily I had both")
Put it all together and you wound up with a situation where Batman could beat Superman.. if only just barely.
--
That Jesus Christ guy is getting some terrible lag... it took him 3 days to respawn! -NJ CoolBreeze
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won)
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uberdave
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· Score: 1
That's where the brains come in. Batman wears armour.
back to superheroes and audiences for a moment...
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dpilot
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· Score: 3, Interesting
I really liked "Unbreakable" as a truly unusual treatment of the whole superhero thing. I guess most people didn't, because it didn't do that well at the box office.
In the same vein, I couldn't imagine Michael Keaton as Batman. He did well enough there, but his portrayal as Bruce Wayne was downright terrific. First time the character ever seemed believable, comic, TV, cartoon, whatever.
-- The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won)
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alue
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Batman is the coolest superhero ever. Why? No superpowers. Brains, altheticism, and a raging case of vengance.
You forgot to include about $40 billion in the bank.
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won)
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EvilBuu
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Actually, Lex and Braniac together do defeat Superman, actually to the point of enslaving him along with most of the other major heros of DC (Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Capt. Marvel I think, etc.) in the Dark Knight Stikes Again.
Re:Someone tell me how Batman could beat Superman?
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GrandCow
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The actual comic readers would know that Batman would most likely win (or at least kick the daylights out of superman) while the common public wont be able to get past the idea that since superman has powers and batman does not, then it will be an easy victory for superman. Unfortunately in todays Hollywood noone want's to show a "good guy" getting beaten. The ending will probably be something stupid where at the end they both realize that the other has their place in the world and shake hands and then walk away. That would be the best thing that could happen. I would assume something worse than that will happen: They become partners. Batman seems to be picking up new partners every time he gets a new movie (and I know there are no more partners he can pick up in the typical batman universe)
Batman runs in from the left, cape fluttering behind him. Robin runs in from the right, cape fluttering Batgirl runs in from the right, cape fluttering, boobs bouncing. Superman flys in from the top, grabs Batgirl, drags her off camera. Cue sounds of rubber suit being ripped off.
As they look at each other, they get a slight grin on their faces. Batman pulls out the Bat Camcorder and they both run off in the direction the moans are coming from...
Hey wait a minute, I might be willing to pay money for that;)
-- "Well kids, you tried your best, and you failed. The lesson is, never try." -Homer Simpson
But if we cast The Bruce. . . .
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Salgak1
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. ..then we NEED Raimi to direct. And after Spiderman, that WOULD be a movie to remember.....
Re:Joe Pesci as Superman?
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The_dev0
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I personally think Billy Zane would make a good superman, and you can't deny that the ladies love him!
Okay, I can see a Catwoman movie. I can see a Batman: Beyond movie. But a Wondertwins movie? Why the hell do they think I'm going to pay momney to see a purple teen-ager turn into a bucket of water?
-- Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won)
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MeNTyFReSh
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I agree with SirSlud,
There is no need for a movie like this, Now for a sweet ass batman movie they should base it off the greatest batman comic ever, Batman vs Predator. First off i've been waiting for a Predator movie for about half my life and to kick in Batman to kick his ass, it would be the best 90+ minutes of my life. Yes i'm a sad pathetic dweb, but who isnt?
For those of you who didnt know about the comic you cant check it out here...
Henry Rollins would make a bad-ass Superman, even Beavis and Butthead agree.
Maybe Glen Danzig could be Batman... now you've got some shit!
g
Go easy on Affleck/Daredevil
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DoctaWatson
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From what I hear, he got the role because of the foreward he wrote for Kevin Smith's latest Daredevil book. So hopefully, Affleck will have some real intrest in playing a good Matt Murdock.
Also, word around the campfire is that the movie is going to be based mostly on Miller's "Man Without Fear" book.
I'm still more excited about Batman: Year One, but both of them are going to put this Batman vs Superman shlock to shame.
You can get a lot more info from www.comics2film.com
Re:Go easy on Affleck/Daredevil
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trib
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NOTE: NOT intended as a troll, simply an observation
I have a theory/pointscore system about superhero conversions to the big screen, which my best friend (a comic geek, btw) generally agrees with (not that that provides me any REAL basis for it). While, I'm not a big comic fan, I read them occasionally. Also, my comic depth of knowledge is pretty slim, so the whole theory has BIG holes in it. Maybe an expert or two here can help...
It should be noted that there are some obvious missing films in the list, such as the last Superman film George Reeves did in 1973, the 1966 Batman film and the Spider-Man films of the 1970s/80s. I also haven't included made for TV films, such as the Lynda Carter "Wonder Woman" efforts. I have stuck principally to the films which caught public attention, not those which the fan community is the principal consumer of... (spurious, but it helps my argument).
Here's how it goes:
there are, strictly speaking, two principal sources for superheroes - DC and Marvel
over the years, bigscreen translations of superheroes have drawn their characters from one of these two sources
if we count back over my lifetime (1968- ), we have a number of successful and unsuccessful conversions. Based on the following pointscore system, Marvel are far and away the winner so far.
System
Box office/general public success - 1 point. i.e. Did it's original box office and subsequent rental business (less so) make back more than the cost of the film? This is a pretty good indicator of whether the "general public" liked/went to see the film.
Fan base success - 1 point. i.e. Did the fan community, who really care about this character/story embrace the film? Personally, this is a better indicator of success to me.
So, the maximum a movie can score is two points. Points are shown as one of four possible combinations - 0/0, 0/1, 1/0 and 1/1
Marvel ComicsX-Men (2000) 1/1 Spider-Man (2002) 1/1 Blade (1998) 1/1 Blade II (2002) 1/1 DC Average - 1/1, that's batting 1.000 so far...
Now, with The Hulk, X2, Daredevil and Spider-Man 2 on their way as Marvel conversions and Superman vs. Batman coming from the DC world, I personally think Marvel are going to maintain a pretty good average. Of course, this begs the question, "What is it about Marvel superheroes that makes their big screen conversions successful where DC conversions have on average been pretty ordinary?"
As stated, my logic and the sample are pretty dodgy, but it's just an observation...
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Re:Go easy on Affleck/Daredevil
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Saint+Nobody
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you're forgetting some marvel movies in there. all the bad ones, in fact. for instance:
granted the first three are tv movies, so ignore them if you see fit. but that's by no means a full list, either. there's plenty that i'm missing. and wasn't "howard the duck" marvel?
not to mention that i have some serious complaints about some of those films you list as "fan successes". every comic book movie to date has destroyed large aspects of the comics ("gwen stacy? who's that?") and i don't expect much better from daredevil, and the rest of the upcoming pack of comic flicks.
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Re:A serious reply: Would a superheroine movie sel
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dswensen
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I wonder if the time is approaching that mainstream America is ready for a superheroine movie that isn't a joke or B-movie trash...
Good vs. Good???
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Fascist+Christ
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How much do you want to bet that in the end they set aside their differences and work together against some super-villain?
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Re:Someone tell me how Batman could beat Superman?
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osgeek
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Superman may be a genius and clever and all that, but there are certain ways that he simply won't think because it's against his nature.
We saw in Superman II that Superman is capable of fairly judging and anticipating "evil" human behavior. I think that a lot of this "batman is darkly clever" is really just a form of apologetics.
Regarding magic: I don't think Batman will be playing that card.
Actors who might be considered for the roles..
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NeoCode
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There might be lot of rumours about who is playing Superman in the next movie. Nicholas Cage, as rumoured once, is NOT playing the role in the next Superman movie (thank the lord!). Now the news is that Brendan Fraser might be the lead guy for the next Superman edition. An interesting choice to say the least.
I really don't wanna see the TV Superman guy in the movies. He was just a wuss. For Batman they need someone different than the previous types that played the role. The news about the movie is that Superman is the goody type and Batman is more dark, vengeful. So if they can pull this off, it'll spin Spider-Man in its own web.
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
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intermodal
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Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon was popular because of wire-fu and chinese martial arts. The reason it did better than your average Hong Kong flick in the US is because it got distributed widely in theaters and was given press attention. And from what i've seen, press attention is usually biased/inaccurate anyway.
I would love to see this, but only if they would let Seanbaby write the screenplay.
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Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won)
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feydakin
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Except, as said before, superman is a boy scout.. He'd never strike first.. That flaw is what got him burned in the book..
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Re:A serious reply: Would a superheroine movie sel
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x130844
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Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon sucked anyway, I don't see what the whole fuss was about. Boring, action not that great. Did not connect with the characters. hmm pretty lame.
Burned man fingers drowned boy!
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bmalia
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Superman vs. Batman.. woo woo. A more interesting battle will be when da man who's burnt up like a weenie fingers the drowned boy from crystal lake in Freddy vs Jason !!!
*Pondering* If Jason drowned as a boy, why is he a man now?
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The story line is top notch?
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JudgeFurious
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I think I must have picked up the other DK2 series then because in mine the only thing worse than the art is the story line. I want that version you are reading. badly.
My big beef with the story is that while it's working some of the angles correctly (Luthor taking over the world with Brainiac without anyone ever really noticing and keeping Clark as his puppy) it's getting stupider by the issue. The "Superchicks" was the dumbest turn that thing could have taken and I've spent too much time trying to imagine it getting worse to be persuaded otherwise.
We're going to overthrow the big bad with three Spice Girls dressed as classic superhero women? I don't think so.
Dark Knight Returns should have been left alone and been left to serve as what it was intended before Miller decided he needed a hit. It should have been the end of the myth.
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Not to take away from ReadParse, but news about this movie has been available at Coming Soon for several weeks. Maybe the boys over there have more news worth duplicating...
Now for an on topic comment: haven't we had enough comic book hero movies for one life time? The answer seems to be no, as it was first Superman, then Batman, and now Spider-Man who have repeatedly broken box office records every time a new one is released.
Now the bad news: we all have to wait two years for the movie to develop. So why is it such big news now?
Re:Christopher Reeve is a whiney bitch
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protonman
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Parkinson's Disease has Michael J. Fox. Aids has Magic Johnson
You mean Michael J. Fox has Parkinson's Disease and Magic Johnson has Aids. Let's not confuse things here.
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Bruce Wayne/Batman: Bruce Willis. He's not really old enough, but he'd do. First alternate: Harrison Ford. (Assisted Living Batman!)
Robin: Tough call. Natalie Portman would get the CmdrTaco vote, though she's a little old. Need some mid-teen talent, dare I say a Mary-Kate or Ashley Olsen (but can they kick ass?)
Commissioner Gordon (ret.): Clint Eastwood, 'nuff said.
Superman (no secret identity at this point): Tough call. Soupy doesn't seem to age much. If he weren't already doing Daredevil, maybe Ben Affleck. I can't believe some idiot wanted to cast Nicholas Cage for Superman (rumored at one point), that's just WRONG. In any case... needs to be mid-to-late 20's, and excessively clean-cut.
ah, nobody's ever going to see this anyway... Go see a real superhero: http://www.megatonman.com/
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Kee-rist! Doesn't ANYBODY SEE what's happening?
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crovira
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The studios, MPAA and other AAs are killing original art by recycling comic books into movies into DVDs/CDs into TV shows and back again.
Why not just shoot the artists and get it over with. They're not paying them dirt as it is anyway...
The best fuckin' thing so far at the cinema is MIIB. They tried that shit with "Scooby-fucking-Do" and "Spiderman." For Christ's sake.
You KNOW how its going to end from the opening sequence, before you've even got halfway through the "Bucket 'O Pop Corn" and the "Gallon 'O Pop." I bet some exec is having wet dreams about "Anova." They wouldn't even have to pay her a salary.
This SUCKS. It REALLY, REALLY SUCKS.
AND NONE OF YOU BRAIN-DEAD, JOLT COLA ADDLED, WITHERED SOULED, DICK-HEADS GIVE A SHIT.
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Re:Kee-rist! Doesn't ANYBODY SEE what's happening?
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KirkH
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Dude, calm down.
If it's such a blow to the comics industry, then why are all the comic insiders (writers, artists, etc) collaborating on these projects?
Bah, this is just a celebrity boxing deal. Keaton is gonna totally cream Reeves, I mean c'mon! He's paralysed! The depths at wich fox will sink...
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Re:I can see the title now:
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tuxedokamen
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Actually, that's semi-plausible. Bruce was waay ticked off when Dick went to Clark after their fallout, and blamed Superman for Dick becoming Nightwing instead of retiring.
I could care less about Christopher Reeve as Superman.
But if Adam West doesn't reprise his role as Batman, I don't know what I'll do!
Matt Damon: I'm Not Kidding
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Sandman1971
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What's scary is that Coming Attractions states that the director is hoping to get Matt Damon on board (but doesn't mention for which role). I can't see Damon doing either Batman or Superman. Maybe he can play Jimmy Olsen:P
I would love to see Keaton under the cowl again. As for Superman, there's not a hell of alot of choices out there. Dean Cain did a half-decent job in the Lois & Clarke shot, but I don't think he could carry the movie.
Who would you like to see play The Dark Knight and The Man Of Steel?
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Re:Matt Damon: I'm Not Kidding
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Sandman1971
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Oh, forgot to add. Long before we see this movie made, we'll be seeing [drool] Ashley Judd as Catwoman [/drool]
Off topic, but does anyone know where to catch the new Bruce Campbell Movie around SF? I've just gotta see Bubba Hotep, the sooner the better.
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Re:Someone tell me how Batman could beat Superman?
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Catbeller
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Nah, the missles contained conventional military-grade explosives. Easy to get for a billionaire with no scruples. The missles were just there to soften Superman up a bit while Bruce watched in the shadows, clad in strength-enchanced armor he had charged up with the entire city's power grid.
Whilst Batman tried a bit of Ali on Supes, getting his ribs caved in, old Oliver Queen, former billionaire and current anarcho-socialist terrorist, otherwise known as the Green Arrow, fired a kryptonite arrowhead at Clark's noggin.
Distracted by trying not to kill his old friend, Clark spun a bit too slow when he heard the arrow arrive, instinctively snatching the shaft in mid-trajectory.
Oops, thought Clark as the payload detonated. Queen was well pleased -- he wanted Wayne to beat nine kinds of holy hell out of the Big Blue Schoolboy, who had been the agent of a fascistic U.S. regime which had rounded all of the superheroes years before. Ollie lost his right arm fighting the guvmint, and blamed Supes for that.
After the arrow went off, Bruce proceeded to slam thousands of foot-pounds of force via fist and feet into Supes weakened nads. This didn't kill the Big Cheese, but it gave Wayne the chance to pretend to die at the moment he had Clark on his knees with Wayne's hand around his throat.
Payback was Batman's for all the hell Clark had put them all through by cooperating with the people who locked up or deported the heroes.
Considering a lot of Wolfgang's other movies ("Das Boot", "In The Line Of Fire", "Perfect Storm"), I think he'd be the right man to make sure this doesn't become a fanpiece. I'm hoping it will make both "heroes" look like crazies: Batman a little too much of a vigilante, Superman too much of a hypocritical "boy scout".
My guess is that we'll see them holding each other in contempt, growing into hate. And the climatic battle will be broken off so that a greater threat can be averted (or they look at the collateral damage they caused and turn away in disgust). No winners.
Then again, AOLTimeWarner is not gonna let Mr. Petersen do a ruined downtown, especially not in a post-11.09.01 climate.
As others have mentioned, it's Superman vs Batman. However, back in the early 1970s, Marvel and DC came together to print a comic that actually had Superman vs Spiderman. I never bought it, but I assume that Spidy's radioactivity is Kryptonite-based. Otherwise, if Kryptonite (or another Kryptonian) is not involved, then Superman will always win against anybody else.
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Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won)
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I recall something similar done with some superb lines:
"Did you really think a Lead-Lined Cape would stop the Man of Steel from finding out who you are, Mr Wayne?"
"Not really. By the way, did you really think combing your hair different would fool the worlds greatest detective, Mr Kent?"
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You know who'd be perfect for the Superman role?
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Rogerborg
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Think about it. He's handsome in a boy-next-door Young Republican poster kind of way, he has the correct wholesome, too good to be true, "I'll save-the-day" associations in the public consciousness, he can actually act, he has geek appeal, and he looks good in a skin tight unitard.
Superheroine? They sell that on the street. You, too can be a Superjunkie!
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Re:Someone tell me how Batman could beat Superman?
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invid
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I always pictured Superman tearing the arm off of Green Arrow. Probably the only way he could get him to stop fighting and stay quiet. I would like to see Frank Miller doing a flashback to that battle.
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Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won)
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uberdave
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No. Armour against bullets. Somehow you must have missed what I was replying to.
Re:back to superheroes and audiences for a moment.
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Zathrus
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Unbreakable was good, but it simply couldn't live up to the hype generated as "from the director/writer of The Sixth Sense". I'm hoping that Shyamalan doesn't pull the same trick in Signs -- a last second twist.
It was a good movie though, and the twist did do some gut wrenching. But perhaps a bit overwrought.
As for Keaton - nobody thought he'd be a good Wayne/Batman... but he played it right, much as Toby Wright did. You don't have to play the superhero -- that's merely a foil for the really interesting story, which is that of a man (or woman) who has immense power. And what that does to the person.
All of the later Batman movies failed because the actors tried to play the hero instead of the average guy. The script writers also focused too much on the hero instead of how the person is handling the issues.
Really this is a good bit of the "comic book curse" that afflicts non-written attempts to do superheros right.
Re:Someone tell me how Batman could beat Superman?
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So we can see after years of evidence that he's this world-class intellect, yet Batman is going to defeat Superman's nearly invincible physical attributes.
Batman is a dirty fighter. Superman isn't. The instant Batman heard of Superman, he probably started thinking of ways to beat him, just in case. That's the whole point of Batman and why he is so liked, he stacks the deck in his favor every way he can think of.
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Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won)
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SealBeater
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Heh, i think i remember once seeing an episode when Superman looks at batman with his x-ray vision, and sees he's Bruce Wayne, and tells him something like "go home bruce" (trying to impress bruce by letting him know that he knew who he was, etc), and later, when superman gets to his appartment and 'changes' into Clark kent, he looks out the window and sees batman on the roof across the street, looking with a pair of binoculars and a smile that said "yeah, i bet now you feel *really* dumb".
Totally, I remember that episode. That was good. There was a colloration in the comic series. I believe it was "Death in The Family", where the second Robin got beaten to death with a crowbar, (the possible start of the animosity smoldering between Batman and Superman) when Superman was ordered by the state dept to stop Batman from going apeshit. Superman was being apologetic and said "Bruce" to Batman, trying to make a connection and all that. Batman turns around and says "Never call me that name again....Kent." Tit for tat.
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Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won)
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MidNightKnight315
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For starters, The Dark Night Returns is bullshit, if Superman can move betweem 10,000-1,000,000 times faster than a baseline human, then he would have to be able to think that much faster than a baseline human. Forget how smart Batman is, it's nothing compared to someone who has somewhere between 10,000 and 1,000,000 times the subjective time you have to think about something. Remember the scene in Spiderman when Peter is fighting Flash Thompson in the hall and has time to relax and obviously consider the weirdness of it all during the time that Flash has to throw one punch. Now take that and multiply it by 1,000 or so and you get some fraction of how much faster Superman is. Holy crap! bullets are like still life to him! Has anybody seen Smallville? Clark can move freakishly fast in that show, and he's not remotely as powerful as full-grown Superman. Speed alone kills Batman, not to mention an inhuman IQ, super-strength (Supes once fought the ENTIRE JLA including Batman in the comics, and even though he was restraining himself, gave them a wicked beating.) Well, I could go on, but basically anybody who depends on The Dark Night Returns as their source for the Superman/Batman fight is nothing more than a deluded Batman sycophant. So there! And Rambo can beat Rocky any day too! Hello, Rambo's got a gun ya dork!
Re:Someone tell me how Batman could beat Superman?
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ShavenYak
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IIRC, someone once calculated from the quantities of kryptonite that have turned up on Earth and the inverse square law, that Krypton must have been so massive it collapsed into a black hole.
Not necessarily true. Remember Richard Pryor's supercomputer from Superman.. uh, 3 I think? There's no telling how much kryptonite it might have synthesized once it got the formula right.
Hey, there's an idea... Batman vs. Superman, with Superman's brain all contaminated with the messed up 'kryptonite' with tar so he'd be almost as big an asshole as Batman. I might pay to see that.
Oh, who am I kidding, I would wait for it on video. Heck, I'm passing on seeing a Star Wars movie in the theater, for crying out loud.
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Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won)
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ShavenYak
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Batman ethical and boring? I suppose next you'll be telling me the Batman movie in the '60s was campy.
Oh, wait...
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Re:Someone tell me how Batman could beat Superman?
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markmoss
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Heck, I'm passing on seeing a Star Wars movie in the theater, for crying out loud.
Me too. And the first movie (episode 4) was my first date with my wife. But what I've heard about AOTC doesn't fill me with desire to pay about 20 bucks to watch it in a large room full of strangers...
Supes and Bats Represent Struggling Philosophies
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Peahippo
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First off, let's get one thing straight.
There has never been an appropriate physical casting of the Batman character, from Adam West to the modern Batman movies.
(Michael Keaton? Val Kilmer? -- oh, give me a fscking break.
Adam West did the job better than they did.)
Batman's comics over the last 8 years (including the seminal work "The Dark Knight Returns" (TDKR)) amply demonstrates the lack in our movies.
Someone close to Arnie's stature is needed, although they would need to be less brawny and more limber, since Batman's a noted martial artist.
I mention Arnie since, not only is he of a55-kicking size, but he seems to act out high-society roles well enough.
If only we had a white Wesley Snipes, eh? -- his fitness, appearance and demeanor are well suited to the Batman role.
As for Superman's casting... physically this was well enough done by Christopher Reeves.
But that was then.
Modern portrayals of Superman and Clark Kent make the character a larger man -- a commanding presence by most standards.
Even if Mr. Reeves wasn't disabled, he couldn't fulfill the role anymore; his over-characterization of a simpering, milquetoast Clark Kent is also no longer required.
In my opinion, Hollywood would have to find someone who could fit the physical description of Superman in the "Kingdom Come" comics.
Arnie could do it.
Vin Diesel isn't tall enough; and frankly his facial features more befit a street punk than a yuppie superhero.
The Rock? -- puh-leeze... he needs to prove he can handle a dramatic role (heyyy, stop laughing).
The movie has great promise (which I'll explain) and it has enough material to work from.
Pitting Batman against Superman has already been done, not only in several instances throughout their comics series, but primarily in TDKR.
At least, there's always some sort of a low-level leadership struggle going on, as illustrated by many Justice League comics.
If the movie is to be in any way loyal to the fan base, it must seize the potential inherent in the strife between the characters.
It'll have to demonstrate the low-level leadership struggles, and if outright hostilities commence, then the philosophical generators of the characters will have to be as follows....
Superman is portrayed as having immense, godlike power while well controlled by a good heart.
His approach is a typical, mythical Americanism:
use overwhelming force and do not compromise basic principles.
He values life over anything else and is willing to die for it.
He lives two lives, in harmony.
Batman is the dark side of Americana (Superman's shadow in more ways than one):
the hard, intellectually driven need for skill, order, justice and outright revenge.
He's constantly under tension between his public (socialite) and private (crusader) personas.
And like Superman, he also values life over anything else and is willing to die for it.
Superman's overwhelming force and good nature can always be countered by Batman's calculating application of knowledge and technology.
The comics bring up this theme time and time again.
This theme's fertile ground for good storytelling -- the question is, will the movie be cultivated there?
(Sorry for the length; I didn't realize that I had this much to say when I began typing.)
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Re:You know who'd be perfect QWZX
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Rogerborg
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I don't Superman should be short, skinny and look gay.
Wil is 5'11", and if we're talking gay, I've got some really bad news for you about guys who spend a lot of time in the gym...;-)
If it still bothers you, consider that the same actor is playing both Bruce Banner and the Hulk in next year's ">Ang Lee / James Shamus interpretation. We have the technology.
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Re:Someone tell me how Batman could beat Superman?
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jafac
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Thank you for that account. Now wishing I hadn't sold my comix. But WorldCom seemed like such a better investment!
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Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won)
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alaser
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Big deal. I could write a comic where Papa Smurf beats up Superman, but let's face it, no one would believe it. Lots of things are more powerful than a raging sense of vengeance... like Doomsday. Or a Green Lantern. Or even the wonder twins...
Re:Someone tell me how Batman could beat Superman?
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Catbeller
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try eBay for a cheap paperback reprint, or go to any Barnes and Noble or Borders... or even Amazon. The joy is still out there.
Re:You know who'd be perfect QWZX
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Rogerborg
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I think Superman needs to be at least a six-footer. Christopher Reeve is listed at 6' 4", and that actually looks accurate
That's part of the problem. Christopher Reeve made the role his own. Dean Cain and Tom Welling have just been playing in his shadow. Reeve was so right for the character (as drawn) that anyone else will look awkward and unconvincing in comparison.
So, why not take advantage of that? Superman and Batman have historically been drawn with similar physiques, but that's comic convention. Both Dark Knight and Kingdom Come played on Superman's godlike aspect, but I seriously doubt whether we're going to see anything like an adaptation of either of those, given the title.
Given the title, we're just going to see a conflict. For conflict, you need difference. The difference is largely in attitude and methods, but what's wrong with a difference of appearance as well? Batman needs a big physique. Superman doesn't. I'm picturing the dramatic potential of having a slight Superman that can physically intimidate a bulky Batman. That's an instant illustration that a conflict between these two characters cannot be the movie convention of two big men flexing and posturing and sweating testosterone. Superman is a misnomer; he's not human, not a man, and there's no reason to have him conform to the stereotypical macho man physique, other than habit and convention.
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Re:A serious reply: Would a superheroine movie sel
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Rogerborg
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What do slashdotters think about the popularity of a serious big-budget Hollywood superheronie movie?
Given the popularity of Alias, if Jennifer Garner doesn't get an Elektra spinoff from Daredevil then I'll be very surprised. However, if she does then I'll be very disappointed, but I'll be in a minority, I suspect.
Or, go and look at the plethora of rumours about a Wonder Woman movie. Front runner though is Sandra Bullock, another lips-on-stilts slipping clsoer to anorexia every birthday.
As an aside, how many superheroines aren't based to some degree on titilation?
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Ah, the classic All American Hero
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Rogerborg
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Yes, cloaked and masked in anonymising black, operating in secret without accountability, striking without warning, acting in the name of justice without being burdened by due process. Everything that we've come to expect from our modern paramilitary protectors, in fact.
What, did you think I was going to talk about Superman? Jeez, grow up.
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I never understood any real reason for Superman, Batman, Spiderman et al to have secret identities. Damon Wayans did a movie, about ten years ago, called "blankman" , that had a funny take on the whole secret identity thing.
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I think they'd get more money with a Catwoman vs. Wonder Woman movie. Unless this new one has a lot of Kristen Dunst in the rain.....
I'm not big into comics, but I just can't see how this is a legitimate fight.. Superman would kick Batman's ass. Up. Down. Around the block. Back around the block.
First, he can fly. That's a HUGE advantage. Second, he's really strong. Really REALLY strong. It's just not really that legit a fight. Even with kryptonite.. Superman can just stand a few miles away and evaporate Batman with his heat vision..
I just can't see it...
What are you talking about? It says Batman Vs. Superman. Both DC characters last I checked.
...that George Clooney and Chris O'Donnell will NOT appear in this film??
Chris
Who is going to be the baddie? The defender of the meek (Batman) or the defender of Humanity (Superman)?
Or are they thinking of making some supervillan which the both team uo to fight?
"Arrghhh, Kryptonite! Take over and save the world, Batman!"
Well - it's been a few years since they had used the tech (was it used in Gladiator and earlier in the last Bruce Lee film?), but it isn't so far fetched that they use a body/stunt double for Mr Reeves and put his face over the double's body.
Still - rumors are rumors.... I'm still waiting for the film adaptation of Red Dwarf with Patrick Stewart as the baddie.
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Batman's only chance would be if he could get his hands on an oversized, rapper-style necklace of the Batman emblem made of Kryptonite. Better get one for Alfred too. Robin can just cower behind Batman and Alfred - saves money that way.
Otherwise, Superman will just crush both of them with his super-human strength and then destroy their remains with his laser vision. Bye bye batty.
Posting as directed.
George Clooney has already played batman though. More incestuous than logical.
Is this an actual fight between Superman and Batman, or an alliance in which they fight evil together. So who's fighting for "the good" and who's fighting for "the bad" they're fighting each other?
I can't see Batman having much of a chance, unless Robin is allowed to tag-team in.
Which, in my humble opinion, going to be a lot more interesting than a fanpiece like 'Superman Vs. Batman'. Well, if you get to make both, why not?
The problem with the Ender's Game movie is that the studio is apparently trying to submarine Petersen's efforts into getting a cast that he feels is realistic for the story. You can read the AICN rumour here: http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=12681
Essentially, it boils down to the fact that Petersen wants to include a racially mixed cast to reflect the in-book and real-world race ratios at the time Ender's Game is supposed to be set. The studio has vetoed his plans claiming that white audiences won't want to go unless the adults in the movie are all white.
From the rumour:
He was flat out told "Not a chance in hell. There will be a handful of token characters from other races but every other child will be white." As the studio execs pointed out, if there are too many background characters that aren't white, white people will be afraid to go see it.
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...what beef does Batman have with Superman? They protect two completely different cities, and the only thing I can see creating a conflict here is a very un-superhero-like grab for power. I don't see how this idea would work even at it's most basic levels...
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Apparently, you didn't read the story properly.
The stated comic-book crossover would be Superman and Batman. Both are part of the DC universe, and are by DC comics.
Ironically, so is the Star Trek comic book.
"Kirk!"... "Khan!"...
Imagine "The Wrath of Khan" one page at a time.
"Kirk!"... "Khan!"...
Anyone else here watch Smallville? Imagine WB turning this into a whiny ('angsty') teen drama?
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It's kind of hard to imagine anybody but Christopher Reeve as the Man of Steel -- somebody check Michael Keaton's schedule.
Yeah, can't picture it. No one else could ever played Superman. No, not Kirk Alyn, or George Reeves, or Dean Cain...
Both are supposed to be crime-fighting hero's... what will be the premise? Will one of them become evil? Also, it seems terribly mis-matched. Sure Batman's got some cool gadgets but overall he's just a guy... not some superhuman goliath from another planet. Add to that Batman's is just a local crime fighter (Gotham city)... Superman has a wider range. I just think it would make more sense to do a movie of dueling bad-guys... not hero's. Perhaps a Freddie vs. Jason movie for example- or Lex Luther vs. Dr. Evil ;-)
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It's kind of hard to imagine anybody but Christopher Reeve as the Man of Steel
Well, I guess they could just put kryptonite in every scene.
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Is it "Superman vs. Batman" or "Batman vs. Superman"? The title says the former, the bottom of the article states that filming will begin in 2003 on the latter.
Codito, Ergo Sum
Too late.
Check out "The Dark Knight Returns", where Batman defeats Superman (using some Kryptonite, btw.)
Miller (the author) got it right; Batman is the world's greatest detective mind (nevermind one of the top martial artists in the world), and basically an all around genius.
Might might be right, but only when the dude holding the might doesn't get outsmarted, as Superman did in "The Dark Knight Returns"
Batman is the coolest superhero ever. Why? No superpowers. Brains, altheticism, and a raging case of vengance. What can be more powerful than that?
"Old man yells at systemd"
How long until they decide to bring Super Friends over to the big screen?
The expression is "I could NOT care less." Think about it.
Frank Miller created an excellent graphic novel treating this very subject entitled "The Dark Knight Returns" Link. This is a story that I truly enjoyed as a life long Batman fan. If this new movie is based on Miller's vison, I say hooray. If not, then we will have to wait and see.
I guess you never actually read any of the comics then, in fact basically every time they meet Batman whips superman like a little girl. Just because super man has powers doesnt mean he wins, remember, Batman is smarter and will set up any fight to his specifications. Superman isn't the brightest of fellows ever (duh..i'll use my heatvision). Just read Batman: The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller (as well as the sequal comic to is in which batman leaves superman a bloody lump) and you should get an idea what I mean.
Thats why I think this movie will be a bad idea, it cannot cature to both the hardcore comic readers and the common public. The actual comic readers would know that Batman would most likely win (or at least kick the daylights out of superman) while the common public wont be able to get past the idea that since superman has powers and batman does not, then it will be an easy victory for superman.
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They don't make Net humor like that any more.
When I heard "Superman vs. Batman" I thought they were talking about the last Superman movie and the last Batman movie battling it out to see which would be the crappiest super hero movie ever. Seriously though the right director will make or break this movie.
This could be good.
Pray that the screenwriter (who worked on Se7en) is adapting, or at least heavily influenced by "The Dark Knight Falls" by Frank Miller.
Now that would be something worth seeing! And if you look at the director's comments in the article it's not out of the question that this is the story they may be telling...
Has anyone read the Frank Miller graphic novel?
From this synopsis:
"I want you to remember, Clark... in all the years to come... in your most private moments... I want you to remember my hand at your throat... I want you to remember the one man who beat you..."
Essentially Batman kicks Superman's ass.
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Reeve is out for obvious reasons - unless you modded him into a synthespian. But even while I liked Keaton as Batman - I wasn't to keen on Reeve as Superman - I don't think either of them would be good in this sort of movie.
I see the premise and I can't help but think of Miller's "Dark Night" books and wonder who could fill the role. I could see a - much - younger Brian Dennehy playing Batman.
But what about Supe? There were rumours a year or two about abut Nick Cage putting on the red cape, but I just couldn't see that. Chris O'Donnell is aging well. Maybe someone like Vince Vaughn. That role is a tougher one to fill.
Ideas?
IMHO, as per.
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Oh well, no point in steering now.
Guns are for wussies.
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Batman is vengeful but ethical. Much more interesting than some trigger happy vigilante.
"Old man yells at systemd"
Batman vs. the Predator (awsome series)
OR
Batman Vs. Judge Dredd (first two of the three were awsome)
Batman vs Superman always seemed a bit hokey to me
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This is NOT a troll, this is my honest opinion. Discuss, don't mod down.
Why should you get special treatment?
As my father lik@(munch munch)...
Batman: I finally found the people that killed my parents! Prepare to die! :holds up BatGun: :looks at own tights: Ok, well at least I make this look good! :wipes tear away: Prepare to die! :turns on heat vision: :heat vision deflects and blows up a nearby building: :lunges at the Caped Crusader: :whips out glowing green kryptonite rock: :grabs Bruce's parents killers: Now I have YOUR weakness, the vengeance for your parent's killers! :laughs heartily:
...Lather, rinse, repeat...
:breathless and weary from a long fight: How did... how did Lex Luthor and The Joker team up to defeat us both? :also beat-up: I don't know, but I suspect it is the scene for Batman V Superman II: "Two super-heads are better than one!"
Superman, swooping in: I'm sorry Bruc-- I mean 'Bat-Man'. I can't let you kill them, that would be wrong.
Batman: Oh shut up you tight-wearing pansy!
Superman: After all we've been through together!
Batman: Ah-hah! 'BatAntiSupermanHeatShield' activate!
Superman: You bastard! I'll crush you with my pinky!
Batman: Not so fast, Superdork!
Superman: Noo, my one weakness! My Achilles rock, as it were!
2 hours later
Superman:
Batman:
fin.
Thanks,
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According to http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/eo/ 20020709/en_movies_eo/10217, "Petersen says he will temporarily shelve his other Warners projects--the epic Trojan War and an adaptation of Orson Scott Card's sci-fi novels Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow--and will begin working on Superman vs. Batman."
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That was called Superman Lives and was supposed to be the movie that followed his death in the comic book. There isn't much of anything on IMDB, but this is what I remember about the project. Nick Cage was signed up to be the new supe. Kevin Smith was paid $300k to write a script, which he cranked out in three weeks and had Superman fighting Braniac (Smith has been a comic book geek for a lot longer than a movie geek). Tim Burton signed up to direct, but on the condition that they throw away Kevin Smith's script. After that, the project completely disappeared. I'm pretty sure the producer was Joel Silver. I just looked at his IMDB list and it's possible that Superman Lives got canned after Matrix hit big and he realized that he could start his own big franchise instead of rehashing an existing (and basically dead) one.
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And that's to get Frank Miller to write (or re-write) the script. The Batman/Superman encounter in Return of the Dark Night was excellent. Also, if they paired him with M. Night Shay*an. Unbreakable was just about the best superhero movie ever. I doubt the producers will have the insight to do either though.
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Oh, and to the guy who'd rather see Wonderwoman vs Catwoman. I think they already made that flick. It stars some girl named Jenna Jameson... is she some new hollywood actress or something?
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The Superhuman Royal Rumble.
Granted, it'll probably get sued by the WWE (World Wrestling Entertainment) who was recently sued by the WWF (World Wildlife Fund).
Even still, the Royal Rumble between Superman, Scooby Doo, Batman, the Penguin, Wonderwoman, Catwoman, and Tonya Harding, would be a truly kickass event.
And again in DK2 (sequel to Dark Knight Returns) in which he once again kicks Supe's ass. 2/3 parts currently out on comic stands.
" It's kind of hard to imagine anybody but Christopher Reeve as the Man of Steel"
True enough, but I vote Bruce Campbell. Its all in the chin, baby.
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I'd rather see Batman v. Buffy
Or Superman v. Evil Willow...
Kevin Fox
Frank Miller portrayed a Superman vs. Batman battle in The Dark Knight Returns (as well as DK2) - without a doubt one of the great graphic novels.
I hope Mr. Miller gets some credit/money out of this film.
Feh. Miller's greatest, most compelling character, Daredevil, could take Batman any day. And he's blind. Too bad that DD's silver screen debut has the awful Ben Affleck as our hero...sigh. The Miller series w/Elektra, Bullseye, and the reporter, uhhh Ben Urich, is my all time fave. DK and the current DK2 are terrific as well. Miller is just the bomb.
Best Graphic Novel of the 80's, except maybe for the Watchmen. Avoids the official DC continuity: middle-aged Wayne, out of the superhero action since Robin killed by Joker. Fascist US and local Government and public sentiment against the B-man... Much bleaker sociopolical outlook than comics or movies. Batman gets back into the game for a last hurrah. Superman is eventually called back from war against the commies to rein in Batman's illegal vigilantism. They fight, and Batman kicks whitey Superman's Ass. My summary is inadequate, as it's been 15 years since I read The Dark Knight Returns. The (what, 200+ page?) graphic novel was much more powerful than any comic book I had ever bothered to pick up before or since. Check out the entry at everything2. I hoped each of the Batman movies would try to capture the depth of emotion - the grief, the guilt, the fear, and the savage violence that drive's Frank Miller's Dark Knight. Maybe this is it...
Check out Frank Miller's "Dark Knight Returns" for a lesson on how an aging street vigilante with a limitless bankroll, exceptional technical talent, and a genius for exploiting weaknesses can face off against a pissed Kryptonian.
... and the movie that they SHOULD make, in ink and paint.
Possibly the best comic ever
Conspir8or
Why not Bartman vs. Stupendous Man I'd watch it, dude!
How ya like dat?
Sorry if this is OT but I can't help but respond.
Your ignorance amazes me. He's doesn't whine, other than the fact he strains to talk due to his paralysis.
I think though what you've done is confused whining with his determination to suggest the impossible. He has more hope and aspiration in one breath than you'll ever have in a lifetime.
His vision is sincere, to walk again, and he's just the catalyst to make that happen for not only himself, but millions of others who are stricken by debilitating accidents.
Parkinson's Disease has Michael J. Fox. Aids has Magic Johnson. Are they whiney bitches as well? No, they are all trying to make a difference for their individual cause and what better way to do it than to shoot for the moon?
You sir lack vision or inspiration.
i could see it now Warner Bros.produces a movie called "Crisis of Infinite Earths"
SirSlud writes: Check out "The Dark Knight Returns", where Batman defeats Superman (using some Kryptonite, btw.)
Cool. So Christopher Reeve can play Superman after all.
How much do you want to bet that as soon as batman and superman get to fight eachother. The villians will come out, and then they will be forced to team up to fight them. Its a typical hollywood cop out....
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- ...according to Petersen, whose credits include "The Perfect Storm"
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Great. Another boring George Clooney movie...."Just because you're a genius doesn't make you a smart guy!" -- Narrator, Powerpuff Girls
But forget Keaton. He had his shot and gave it up to Val Kilmer. I want to see Bill Gates play Batman The character is in line with the image he is trying to present -- the filthy rich genius who fights for the people!
Some envisioned scenes from the CGI-Reeve v Gates movie:
"Alfred?! Why isn't my Batmobile ready for launch? What's this blue crap all over the windshield? What the fuck do I pay you for? You're fired!"
"Steve, have your developers finished the new BatmobileXP yet? Ah good."
"You idiots! I specifically told you to put kryptonite in all the new systems, not palladium. How am I supposed to kill Superman with something that poisons humans?"
If you recall when Batman first fought the leader of the Mutants gang, same 4 issue series, he got his butt kicked and barely got away. Next time he used his brains to win (also, just barely). Seems Bats relies a bit more on luck, as he pretty much needs to.
About there my reading of the whole thing ended, but in another setting (i.e. not during the era of a 60-something Batman) it would have to be something of a political nature, to make any sense and be somewhat consistent with the current direction of both comics, BUT(!), never rule out the possibility (and entire likelihood) that Hollywood comes through and places both characters completely at odds with everything they have been and pull some lame (i.e. Dallas' Bobby Ewing's death dream) story, which is totally full of holes and dismisses generations of fans opinion of "how things should be" (a la Mission Impossible movie, bleahh(!))
Now, what I'd like to know is when there's going to be an Aliens vs Predator movie (yeah, been comics and books, but it could still be pretty darn cool) if done well and with a decent director (paging Ridley Scot, paging Ridley Scott!) 8-)
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Speed 3: The Flash vs Superman ??
"It's kind of hard to imagine anybody but Christopher Reeve as the Man of Steel"
Once upon a time nobody could see anybody but George Reeves playing Superman. A change in actors can be done successfully. Whether it will be done successfully is a whole other matter.
On the other hand, Batman has been played by a revolving door of actors since Keaton.
In every Batman movie, the villian dies. In the comics and the TV shows, the Villian rarely dies.
So, will they kill Superman in the film, make Superman and Batman allies, or come up with something "creative" for a change?
Fear is the enemy; the one true enemy. {Sun Tzu-The Art of War}
I've seen a lot of people talking about how Batman can beat Superman and whatnot, but my question is why? Why would they need to fight? I mean, superman is a good guy. Batman is a good guy with questionable ethics...
Can someone who's read the comics explain to me what happened and who started it?
clooney might have been a better batman, but joel schumacher's directing was all wrong for the batman movies. in my opinion it was schumacher's wrong headed directing and the studio's insistance on milking the batman franchise for every last bit of license income that wrecked the franchise.
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...should star as Batman's aging, dissipated, stuck-in-the-Sixties swinging uncle, ala Michael Kane in Goldmember. He drives something which resembles the old Batmobile, and gets about 9 miles per gallon when not in rocket-assist mode. Yeah, bay-bee! Groovy!
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Can't you see that everyone is buying station wagons?
Personally, I'd like to see The Rock in this film - I think he'd make a great Batman,
You sir have made me violently ill with such a comment. The rock deserves a role commensurate to his acting skill and mental prowess. Yes, scrubbing my toilet for the rest of his life seems appropriate to me.
Don't forget Miller's role in this travesty before you go wishing him in this movie. Hollywood has a way of ruining lots of potentially great movies.
Man 1: I don't see why Rainier Wolfcastle should be the star. I think we should bring back George Reeves. Kids will want to see the original Superman.
Assistant:I keep telling you, he's 73 years old and he's dead.
Man 1:Granted, but --
I haven't read DKR, but while some writer can set up a situation where Batman wins, the odds are still in Superman's favor. The ONLY way Batman can win is with kryptonite, and unless Superman is suckered, he can fry Bats with heat-vision long before Bats got in range to use the kryptonite.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
I'll ignore your mentioning Spiderman for the moment. Yahoo News has a story with more details about this movie including a very basic plot and the character type of Batman and Superman.
Heh, i think i remember once seeing an episode when Superman looks at batman with his x-ray vision, and sees he's Bruce Wayne, and tells him something like "go home bruce" (trying to impress bruce by letting him know that he knew who he was, etc), and later, when superman gets to his appartment and 'changes' into Clark kent, he looks out the window and sees batman on the roof across the street, looking with a pair of binoculars and a smile that said "yeah, i bet now you feel *really* dumb".
:) (don't get mad at me.. it's just that i get tired sometimes of watching the us flag on the tv screen like it was a desktop wallpaper or something..)
Superman is a sissy.. never kills anyone, and when he does, he makes a drama out of it. And besides, it's too much like Captain America.. he's too.. american
Batman just plain rocks.. and Alan Grant was did the best scripts for it.
"Luck is my middle name," said Rincewind, indistinctly. "Mind you, my first name is Bad." -- Terry Pratchett
Maybe hand it over to Lucas, then he can do Superman with a CGI of Christopher Reeves' face.
IIRC, Superman did not lose - he and Batman colluded; Batman had a faked death, and came out of a drug-induced catelepsy in the grave (was later dug up by his trusty butler).
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
wonder women vs. cat women no holds barred mud match with xena princess warrior as ref!
now that's something I can get behind.
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speak it don't spit it.
Yeah, I've been waiting years for a real lame movie to watch.
While they're at it with "Superman v. Batman", why don't they throw in a few more lame scenarios, like:
Batman v. Spiderman
Spiderman v. Superman
Jaws v. Jurassic Park
Jason v. Freddy
Lara Croft v. Indianna Jones
Come one, does it get any lamer than this? Imagine what went through their minds when they came up with this one:
hmm...we could have another lame sequel that would make us a lot of money because people are stupid enough to keep coming back for more....or we could combine this movie with that movie to make a really lame movie that won't make sense and'll suck, but it'll bring in the fans from both series and make us gobs and gobs and gobs of money. Then we'll do a sequel.
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I don't think Lobo would appreciate your comment..
and he did kick superman's ass too.
"Luck is my middle name," said Rincewind, indistinctly. "Mind you, my first name is Bad." -- Terry Pratchett
What AOL/TW really needs to do is to get off their asses and do some more things with their animated super hero serei. I'm sorry but just about every live-action Batman movie I've seen can't hold a candle to a single half-hour episode of Batman: The Animated Series. Give us a JL movie or another Batman Beyond or something!
Just looking at the way the live-action Batman movies WB has put out portrays the villans (the Joker, the Penguin, Mr. Freeze, Bane, Catwoman, Poison Ivy, Two-Face, etc.) and then looking at how those same characters have been done in the animated series... can anybody honestly tell me that they're really looking forward to another live-action movie? What they did to Mr. Freeze and Bane alone should be reason to shudder with fear...
Ouch! That's cold. Funny tho...
Let's just pray that George Lucas doesn't petition the filmmakers to let him give Christopher Reeve some CGI legs. Hey if they could remove Gary Senise's legs in Forest Gump...
GMD
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"Name something that members of the Reeves family will never see again!"
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The IMDB is reporting that Matt Damon will probably be in it and get to choose which superhero he wants to be.
GMD
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LOL the BAT Kryptonite necklace.....God this is gonna be cheesy..Go Hollywood
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
All the supposedly hispanic characters, white as WonderBread.
I suggest that a comprimise already exists lower down the discussion page: Cast Bruce Campbell as Superman.
This will effectively allow you to please everyone. Batman can beat the daylights out of Bruce, and in the end Bruce can dispatch Batman using a chainsaw or shotgun and make a smart-alec quip. Viola, the general public gets what it expects and all the hardcore fans will be too busy messing themselves to care about what would "really" happen.
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
I can't see the movie being half as good as an episode of Batman the Animated Series. The characters of Batman and Superman have such great depth, regretably some hollywierd casting director will pull a demographic move, rather than using real actors. Here's to holding out hope.
There are some people that if they don't know, you can't tell 'em.
You're forgetting that Superman is a goody-goody and Batman kind of has a dark, evil side to him. And as Dark Helmet would say "Evil will always defeat good because good is dumb."
GMD
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I'm feeling that...
I'm with you on this one...
I can't think of a better post-modern super hero than Bruce Campbell. Heck, even the satiric edge we've all come to associate him with (army of darkness, et al) works perfectly! Come on, now that we're adults we shouldn't be eating chicken and stars soup and we shouldn't be expected to have a total suspension of disbelief...
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In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
What happened to the Superman Lives movie where Nicholas Cage was supposed to play Superman? Quite frankly, I agree it's hard to picture anyone but Christopher Reeves in the role of Superman.
-- DuckWing
Just imagine it on celebrity boxing! Whoo hoo!
If not FOX, then a deathmatch of course!
"If you are on fire you can just stop, drop, and roll. If you fall into Lava you are just dead." - my 5yr old daughter
Now, I sold my Dark Knight books (and made a bundle) back in the 90's, but I think I recall the sequence being something like;
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Batman hides in some buildings,
Superman uses his x-ray vision,
x-ray-seeking missile auto-launches carrying warhead of synthesized kryptonite as Bruce comments how many years and how much money it cost to make. .
Clark gets creamed.
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
Kmart. A lot of people never shop there, but there's actually some great super hero supplies stashed back behind the fishing stuff in sporting goods.
Don't tell anyone.
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
Thanks for the chuckle! I spit my soda all over my keyboard and PC when I first read this!
"If you are on fire you can just stop, drop, and roll. If you fall into Lava you are just dead." - my 5yr old daughter
Episode VIII "Darth Vader vs. Dark Batman"
Episode IX "Han Solo vs. Princess Leia Organa"
Since those projects are categorized as being in production, the data is subject to change or could be removed completely.
Titilation aside, I wonder if the time is approaching that mainstream America is ready for a superheroine movie that isn't a joke or B-movie trash. The popularity of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon seems to indicate the American audiences may be willing to accept women as competent, powerful fighters. But I wonder if that acceptance wasn't because the whole movie was supposed to be a fantasy (with the flying and all). What do slashdotters think about the popularity of a serious big-budget Hollywood superheronie movie? You think people would go to see it?
GMD
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I just checked: Mister Mom 2 doesn't start filming until next year. =P
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One word (prolly not spelled right either): Kryptonite
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Effective tactics for Superman: Zip up to Batman at light speed and make balloon animals out of his small intestines tied together with his spinal cord. Do this very quickly -- preferably while the "get kryptonite from utility belt" message is still en route from Batman's brain to his hand.
But nooo... He's just got to showboat. That, plus a certain amount of writer irony, is what gets him in trouble.
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
This movie is just a ploy to get all of us geeks into theatres so they can gas us, and stop our anti-DMCA, pro-open-source, anti-Jar-Jar rhetoric.
Excelsior!
I think Superman and Batman would be a better movie idea than Superman vs. Batman. After all, both being crime fighters and "fighters for justice", neither one of them can be protrayed in a really negative light. And a 2 hour "misunderstanding" in which they kiss and make up at the end would be really lame.
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that batman could win. All the martial arts in the world isn't going to do squat when you break your hand/foot/arm/head when you hit superman's body. Sorry, that's not a fight. As others have pointed out, in a raw "cage match" with no kryptonite, no bat belt, superman would only have to hit Batman one time and game over.
-- DuckWing
That's the kind of contrived bullshit that will lead to a decrease in the enjoyment that I'll have when viewing the movie.
Superman is a genius intellect and partially a product of an advanced race and civilization. He's able to make an enormous number of decisions at nearly the speed of light (move at near the speed of light, and you kinda need to be able to think that quickly as well). Time and again in the cartoons and comics, supervillains neutralize Superman's physical advantages, and Superman has to instead outsmart them.
So we can see after years of evidence that he's this world-class intellect, yet Batman is going to defeat Superman's nearly invincible physical attributes. That's just contrived nonsense. You'd think by now that Superman would be paranoid when entering a situation where he might be trapped in closed quarters with someone bearing Kryptonite. But no, X-Ray vision and all, he's going to walk right into it once again. Ugh, it's just awful.
Why are you letting these clowns ruin our country?
"It's kind of hard to imagine anybody but Christopher Reeve as the Man of Steel -- somebody check Michael Keaton's schedule."
I did not like Christopher Reeves, when he was picked for the Superman moves.... He sucked as Superman.
I as for Michael Keaton, he sucked as Batman.
Him playing Superman would suck even more.....
Wise men speak because they have something to say, Fools because they have to say something!!!!
Sadly, Hollywood's taste is so bad that I think this flick will simply be a 'Who would win?' type of movie. Unfortunately, that's not an interesting subject for reasons that people have already posted here.
Instead, they should develop the movie that gives you deeper insights into each character, taking the plot away from the 'whos gonna win?' direction. To put it another way: If you find out that Batman wins, it shouldn't ruin the movie for you.
With that said, why not explore what could possibly make these two guys fight? What kind of ethical questions would that provide for Superman? What could possibly happen to make the Man of Steel defeat somebody who, like himself, has made his life's work to protect people?
How would Batman feel about having the opportunity to deal the death blow to Superman? In light of how his parents were killed, how could he bring himself to destroy somebody that undoubtedly would have prevented it if he could?
They both had their parents killed tragically, they have that pain in common. Could they come to a resolution?
In any case, with questions like these (or hopefully more interesting ones, I am not a writer heh) the movie could actually be rather meaningful. If the movie tries to be like Spiderman and is written to show of using the latest effects to have two 'super humans' battle it out, then there's no way it's going to but much more than a jock flick.
I hope somebody puts some interesting thought into this. Both characters are deep enough that they could tell a fascinating story. This really is the type of movie that should be animated. It's hard to take a guy seriously when he's wearing bright blue underwear.
Batman: Bane broke my back all those years ago, and I can still beat up badguys with the best of them! I just had to take a little break.. heh heh.
Superman: Enough with the bad jokes! Nobody gave you a kryptonite wheelchair.
Batman: That's because I'm rich and powerful, and can afford the best, while you're just a pansie who thinks he can fly.
Superman: I coud fly... and you're the one named after a flying rat. Why can't you get off the ground without help?
Batman: At least I can get out of bed without help.
And so on....
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It's kind of hard to imagine that people think Christopher Reeve is the only Superman. Christopher Reeve is not the first person to play Superman and he will not be the last.
However, I do think he's played Superman the best out of all of them.
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Would you happen to know the name of this sequel? I'd be interested in reading it...
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First, Batman is way cooler than Superman.. I mean, some alien kid that looks _exactly_ human yet has amazing powers and saves the world all the time is cool enough, but Batman is just that much cooler because he doesn't save the freakin world all the time, and he's not perfect, he has more than 1 flaw (read: superman is only vulnerable to kryptonite, a truly rare ore, yet it somehow always shows up at the wrong time, yet there's NONE on Earth so where is it coming from blah blah) and Batman's women are just hotter. Period.
Not to knock on the S-man, but I seriously doubt this would make a good movie, especially if superman 'wins' the battle, or whatever.
Second, they're both GOOD guys. Batman is not evil, he does what he does for the good of Gotham, and if you're going to make one of the two go bad I would think Superman is a better choice -- use a 'kryptonite voodoo doll from Superman's home planet' or something, but don't make BATMAN THE EVIL ONE..
If they think of some cheesy reason for Batman to go evil I can garauntee this movie will be eye-candy without much real plot or emotion... and not worth 10 dollars.
Third,
Omg there are so many better pairs of archvillain/monsters vs. good guys/heroes than saying either Batman or Superman has gone evil and now one of em has to beat the other... That's just counterproductive, and downright lame.
I want to see Aliens vs. Predator vs. Batman, not Superman vs. Batman, that's just too much MAN.
Besides, just compare their wardrobes... Batman wins hands down.
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My brother works as an electrician for the movie industry up here in BC, Canada. He's in the queue to work on the movie "Jason versus Freddie Krueger", which will probably be shot later this year.
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We all know Batman will win. All you have to do is bring some of that stuff that neutralizes Superman's power (what's it called... petroleum or something; but it looks more like green cheese to me ;)
Working title: "Superman Vs. Batman: The Last Thing You'd Ever Want To Sit Through."
Well, people watch this show. The original Buffy movie was a joke, of course, but the TV show takes things quite seriously.
The guy from my college dorm with the untouchable collection of star wars paraphanelia will cream himself over this.
You might want to get out more.
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I see this running like every crossover comic ever written:
Reel 1: Batman and Superman cross paths, get in each other's way and fight, messing each other up but neither taking home a definitive win. Kiss another Batplane goodbye.
Reel 2: Villians gang up on Batman and Superman.
Reel 3: Batman and Superman team up and defeat villians.
For a good idea of what I mean, see the 3-part World's Finest comic that Steve Rude illustrated for DC a few years back. It rocked.
Of course, for Joe Sixpack, "Batman vs. Superman" is a better title than "World's Finest," since Joe Sixpack doesn't get the reference to the old teamup title from the fifties.
Lastly, while I wish Christopher Reeve all the best, he wasn't the first actor to play Superman, and he won't be the last. It might be nice to get Gene Hackman back as Lex Luthor, though.
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How the heck does a missle hit this guy? He flies fast enough to travel through time but he can't avoid or destroy a freakin' missle with his heat vision, super breath or by throwing something at it really hard???
I must confess, I've not much of a comics guy, although in my youth...talking 60's and early 70's here...I read a buttload of Spiderman, DareDevil and Incredible Hulk. I suspose I read and watched my share of Batman as well (was Adam West hillarious as Batman or what!!!).
I read all the posts about outsmarting the super dude, but I just don't buy it. When you can move as fast as he can, are as strong as he is along with all the other powers it just don't add up.
Batman vs. Superman just ain't a fight.
I could maybe buy Batman assasinating Superman, if he snuck up on him when he was on the crapper or something...ummm, Superman does crap doesn't he?
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Superman
Superman
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Also, Superman is extremely vulnerable to magic (which is why Wonder Woman's lasso can hold him). Supes gets blasted with magic more often than kryptonite. Now, I'm not saying that Batman's going to team up with David Copperfield. I'm just saying that he doesn't have to rely on kryponite.
Finally, just because Superman can think at the speed of light doesn't mean that he can solve any problem instantly. What if Batman's trap can't be solved in polynomial time?
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basically - i think your a moron. Look it up in the dictionary.
Funny...the way it reads, you're the moron.
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The spawn vs batman comic was cool.
And batman vs spiderman could ride the wave of spidermans success.
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The Superman VS. Batman Story is from the Dark Knight Returns series of graphic Novels by Frank Miller. Along with having a (new)female robin, (The old Robin [Dick Grayson I beleave] moved on to become NightWing(?) hehe, this is going way back)... Superman gets a serious beating from Batman.. In the end when Batman and Superman do go at it, Batman gets the help of the (at that time one-armed) Green Arrow(??) which uses a special green(?whichever one makes him mortal?) kryptonite Powdered tip to weaken Superman. Then Batman gets all kung-fu samuari on him and ends up beating Superman Bloody.. A beautiful moment in comics.. I personally always liked the big B (frank miller style) more than Stuperman ;). ah, the good ol' days...
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And as much as I liked the much-mentioned Frank Miller series that had Bats whipping Superman's butt, I must agree with you.
My favorite evidence of Superman's speedy brain was in an old Radioshack promotional comic book I picked up in the early 1980's. It posed a division problem involving large integers to Superman and the almighty TRS-80. Superman could solve the problem in his head and write the solution on a chalkboard in the time between pressing enter on the TRS-80's keyboard and the appearance of the result on the monitor.
Could Batman defeat the great and powerful TRS-80?
Could he?
Wouldn't Superman crush Batman in about a milli-second?
That's always been a problem for the Superman scriptwriters - how to make _anything_ be a challenge, since over the years since the comic strip started (around 1930?) they've attributed so much strength and so many abilities to him that anything short of a galaxy-sized black hole ought to be easy. He's the irresistible force and the immovable object. And if he screws up and lets something bad happen without being there to stop it, he can just fly faster than light to reverse time. You'd think his only real problem would be keeping his personal organizer up to date (08:45 save Lois from bad guy 1, 08:50 save the world from bad guy 2, 08:55 pick up a mugger from the alley and drop him off at Sing Sing, 09:00 put in an appearance in civies as the mild mannered reporter who missed all the fun again, 09:05 save Lois again...)
So how is Batman, who is just a human being with really nice toys, going to face Superman? Yawn, kryptonite again. Obviously that stuff deadens his brain long before he comes close enough to lose his strength, otherwise he'd have learned not to fall for it every time. And it's easy to find green kryptonite on earth, even for convicts on the run from the law, let alone billionaires.
IIRC, someone once calculated from the quantities of kryptonite that have turned up on Earth and the inverse square law, that Krypton must have been so massive it collapsed into a black hole.
Yes, Batman would whoop Supermans ass, I follow the comics, its always been Batman on top, his tactics took down all of the new JLA.
But come on, its Hollywood folks, its going to be like the animated pairing, they fight, they notice that each underestimated the other, they shake hands, and fight whatever evil menace Hollywood decides to bring up.
It would be bad moral for America if Superman, the shining star of American Freedom, Justice and all that crap, got beaten by a Dark Knight who bends and breaks the law to get the job done.
No, it will be some cushy kids movie and another waste of celluloid spewed from the anal passage that is Hollywood.
Nuff said Bub!
Nah. Try: Bartman vs. Duffman.
Duffman says... Oh YEAH!
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where W. is painted with the same brush that Reagan was in DK (Reagan was painted as a reckless warmonger who was the first to head to his bomb shelter when the Russians launched a nuclear counter-attack)
Picture nine-eleven in your mind... picture Bush hearing about the Catepiller, then hearing about some "really bad piloting" (his joke, really), then sitting still for 23 more minutes, then making like the Road Runner for a bunker in the midwest, while Cheney stayed in the White House and actually ran the tactical response.
Miller wouldn't have to work hard to paint Dubya as a warmongering coward.
Well.. what wasn't mentioned is Batman did have a wee bit of an advantage in the Miller books.
Superman had just recently been at ground zero of a multi-megaton nuclear bomb, one that kicked up enough dust that there was next to no sunlight getting through to the earth. Being that sunlight is what powers Superman, he was in a weakened condition to begin with.
Plus, Superman didn't actually want to kill Batman - he was just there to "bring him in", and considering that Batman was in his elder years in the DKR, Superman was probably holding back considerably.
Mix this with Batman being in a veritable tank of a suit and using Superman's known weaknesses (such as they are) including electricity, sonics, and of course kryptonite (which in the words of the comic "The stuff took years and millions of dollars to synthesize, but luckily I had both")
Put it all together and you wound up with a situation where Batman could beat Superman.. if only just barely.
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That's where the brains come in. Batman wears armour.
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I really liked "Unbreakable" as a truly unusual treatment of the whole superhero thing. I guess most people didn't, because it didn't do that well at the box office.
In the same vein, I couldn't imagine Michael Keaton as Batman. He did well enough there, but his portrayal as Bruce Wayne was downright terrific. First time the character ever seemed believable, comic, TV, cartoon, whatever.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
Batman is the coolest superhero ever. Why? No superpowers. Brains, altheticism, and a raging case of vengance.
You forgot to include about $40 billion in the bank.
Actually, Lex and Braniac together do defeat Superman, actually to the point of enslaving him along with most of the other major heros of DC (Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Capt. Marvel I think, etc.) in the Dark Knight Stikes Again.
Still waiting for issue #3 though.....
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The actual comic readers would know that Batman would most likely win (or at least kick the daylights out of superman) while the common public wont be able to get past the idea that since superman has powers and batman does not, then it will be an easy victory for superman.
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Unfortunately in todays Hollywood noone want's to show a "good guy" getting beaten. The ending will probably be something stupid where at the end they both realize that the other has their place in the world and shake hands and then walk away. That would be the best thing that could happen. I would assume something worse than that will happen: They become partners. Batman seems to be picking up new partners every time he gets a new movie (and I know there are no more partners he can pick up in the typical batman universe)
Batman runs in from the left, cape fluttering behind him.
Robin runs in from the right, cape fluttering
Batgirl runs in from the right, cape fluttering, boobs bouncing.
Superman flys in from the top, grabs Batgirl, drags her off camera. Cue sounds of rubber suit being ripped off.
As they look at each other, they get a slight grin on their faces. Batman pulls out the Bat Camcorder and they both run off in the direction the moans are coming from...
Hey wait a minute, I might be willing to pay money for that
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. . .then we NEED Raimi to direct. And after Spiderman, that WOULD be a movie to remember.....
I personally think Billy Zane would make a good superman, and you can't deny that the ladies love him!
Never fight naked, unless you're in prison...
Okay, I can see a Catwoman movie. I can see a Batman: Beyond movie. But a Wondertwins movie? Why the hell do they think I'm going to pay momney to see a purple teen-ager turn into a bucket of water?
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There is no need for a movie like this, Now for a sweet ass batman movie they should base it off the greatest batman comic ever, Batman vs Predator. First off i've been waiting for a Predator movie for about half my life and to kick in Batman to kick his ass, it would be the best 90+ minutes of my life. Yes i'm a sad pathetic dweb, but who isnt?
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Henry Rollins would make a bad-ass Superman, even Beavis and Butthead agree.
... now you've got some shit!
Maybe Glen Danzig could be Batman
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From what I hear, he got the role because of the foreward he wrote for Kevin Smith's latest Daredevil book. So hopefully, Affleck will have some real intrest in playing a good Matt Murdock.
Also, word around the campfire is that the movie is going to be based mostly on Miller's "Man Without Fear" book.
I'm still more excited about Batman: Year One, but both of them are going to put this Batman vs Superman shlock to shame.
You can get a lot more info from www.comics2film.com
I wonder if the time is approaching that mainstream America is ready for a superheroine movie that isn't a joke or B-movie trash...
God, I hope not!
. . .or has everyone else forgotten "Lois and Clark". . .
Let's have CmdrTaco vs Super Marvin.
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How much do you want to bet that in the end they set aside their differences and work together against some super-villain?
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Superman may be a genius and clever and all that, but there are certain ways that he simply won't think because it's against his nature.
We saw in Superman II that Superman is capable of fairly judging and anticipating "evil" human behavior. I think that a lot of this "batman is darkly clever" is really just a form of apologetics.
Regarding magic: I don't think Batman will be playing that card.
Why are you letting these clowns ruin our country?
There might be lot of rumours about who is playing Superman in the next movie. Nicholas Cage, as rumoured once, is NOT playing the role in the next Superman movie (thank the lord!). Now the news is that Brendan Fraser might be the lead guy for the next Superman edition. An interesting choice to say the least.
I really don't wanna see the TV Superman guy in the movies. He was just a wuss.
For Batman they need someone different than the previous types that played the role. The news about the movie is that Superman is the goody type and Batman is more dark, vengeful. So if they can pull this off, it'll spin Spider-Man in its own web.
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon was popular because of wire-fu and chinese martial arts. The reason it did better than your average Hong Kong flick in the US is because it got distributed widely in theaters and was given press attention. And from what i've seen, press attention is usually biased/inaccurate anyway.
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Why didn't the Superman Emergency Squad come to Kal-El's rescue? Big-time continuity problem there.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
I would love to see this, but only if they would let Seanbaby write the screenplay.
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Except, as said before, superman is a boy scout.. He'd never strike first.. That flaw is what got him burned in the book..
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Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon sucked anyway, I don't see what the whole fuss was about.
Boring, action not that great. Did not connect with the characters. hmm pretty lame.
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Superman vs. Batman.. woo woo. A more interesting battle will be when da man who's burnt up like a weenie fingers the drowned boy from crystal lake in Freddy vs Jason !!!
*Pondering* If Jason drowned as a boy, why is he a man now?
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I think I must have picked up the other DK2 series then because in mine the only thing worse than the art is the story line. I want that version you are reading. badly.
My big beef with the story is that while it's working some of the angles correctly (Luthor taking over the world with Brainiac without anyone ever really noticing and keeping Clark as his puppy) it's getting stupider by the issue. The "Superchicks" was the dumbest turn that thing could have taken and I've spent too much time trying to imagine it getting worse to be persuaded otherwise.
We're going to overthrow the big bad with three Spice Girls dressed as classic superhero women? I don't think so.
Dark Knight Returns should have been left alone and been left to serve as what it was intended before Miller decided he needed a hit. It should have been the end of the myth.
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Now for an on topic comment: haven't we had enough comic book hero movies for one life time? The answer seems to be no, as it was first Superman, then Batman, and now Spider-Man who have repeatedly broken box office records every time a new one is released.
Now the bad news: we all have to wait two years for the movie to develop. So why is it such big news now?
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You mean Michael J. Fox has Parkinson's Disease and Magic Johnson has Aids. Let's not confuse things here.
The man of knowledge must be able not only to love his enemies but also to hate his friends.
She can change her hair color, that's one power she uses that he doesn't. However they would both die to the BatMagicWand.
Assuming a "Dark Knight" timeline...
Bruce Wayne/Batman: Bruce Willis. He's not really old enough, but he'd do. First alternate: Harrison Ford. (Assisted Living Batman!)
Robin: Tough call. Natalie Portman would get the CmdrTaco vote, though she's a little old. Need some mid-teen talent, dare I say a Mary-Kate or Ashley Olsen (but can they kick ass?)
Commissioner Gordon (ret.): Clint Eastwood, 'nuff said.
Superman (no secret identity at this point): Tough call. Soupy doesn't seem to age much. If he weren't already doing Daredevil, maybe Ben Affleck. I can't believe some idiot wanted to cast Nicholas Cage for Superman (rumored at one point), that's just WRONG. In any case... needs to be mid-to-late 20's, and excessively clean-cut.
ah, nobody's ever going to see this anyway... Go see a real superhero: http://www.megatonman.com/
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The studios, MPAA and other AAs are killing original art by recycling comic books into movies into DVDs/CDs into TV shows and back again.
Why not just shoot the artists and get it over with. They're not paying them dirt as it is anyway...
The best fuckin' thing so far at the cinema is MIIB. They tried that shit with "Scooby-fucking-Do" and "Spiderman." For Christ's sake.
You KNOW how its going to end from the opening sequence, before you've even got halfway through the "Bucket 'O Pop Corn" and the "Gallon 'O Pop."
I bet some exec is having wet dreams about "Anova." They wouldn't even have to pay her a salary.
This SUCKS. It REALLY, REALLY SUCKS.
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Bah, this is just a celebrity boxing deal. Keaton is gonna totally cream Reeves, I mean c'mon! He's paralysed!
The depths at wich fox will sink...
You can't take the sky from me...
Actually, that's semi-plausible. Bruce was waay ticked off when Dick went to Clark after their fallout, and blamed Superman for Dick becoming Nightwing instead of retiring.
I could care less about Christopher Reeve as Superman.
But if Adam West doesn't reprise his role as Batman, I don't know what I'll do!
What's scary is that Coming Attractions states that the director is hoping to get Matt Damon on board (but doesn't mention for which role). I can't see Damon doing either Batman or Superman. Maybe he can play Jimmy Olsen :P
I would love to see Keaton under the cowl again. As for Superman, there's not a hell of alot of choices out there. Dean Cain did a half-decent job in the Lois & Clarke shot, but I don't think he could carry the movie.
Who would you like to see play The Dark Knight and The Man Of Steel?
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Off topic, but does anyone know where to catch the new Bruce Campbell Movie around SF?
I've just gotta see Bubba Hotep, the sooner the better.
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Nah, the missles contained conventional military-grade explosives. Easy to get for a billionaire with no scruples. The missles were just there to soften Superman up a bit while Bruce watched in the shadows, clad in strength-enchanced armor he had charged up with the entire city's power grid.
Whilst Batman tried a bit of Ali on Supes, getting his ribs caved in, old Oliver Queen, former billionaire and current anarcho-socialist terrorist, otherwise known as the Green Arrow, fired a kryptonite arrowhead at Clark's noggin.
Distracted by trying not to kill his old friend, Clark spun a bit too slow when he heard the arrow arrive, instinctively snatching the shaft in mid-trajectory.
Oops, thought Clark as the payload detonated. Queen was well pleased -- he wanted Wayne to beat nine kinds of holy hell out of the Big Blue Schoolboy, who had been the agent of a fascistic U.S. regime which had rounded all of the superheroes years before. Ollie lost his right arm fighting the guvmint, and blamed Supes for that.
After the arrow went off, Bruce proceeded to slam thousands of foot-pounds of force via fist and feet into Supes weakened nads. This didn't kill the Big Cheese, but it gave Wayne the chance to pretend to die at the moment he had Clark on his knees with Wayne's hand around his throat.
Payback was Batman's for all the hell Clark had put them all through by cooperating with the people who locked up or deported the heroes.
Oh man, I have the perfect theme music (it's Wesley Willis).
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He could get the Outsiders!
Considering a lot of Wolfgang's other movies ("Das Boot", "In The Line Of Fire", "Perfect Storm"), I think he'd be the right man to make sure this doesn't become a fanpiece. I'm hoping it will make both "heroes" look like crazies: Batman a little too much of a vigilante, Superman too much of a hypocritical "boy scout".
My guess is that we'll see them holding each other in contempt, growing into hate. And the climatic battle will be broken off so that a greater threat can be averted (or they look at the collateral damage they caused and turn away in disgust). No winners.
Then again, AOLTimeWarner is not gonna let Mr. Petersen do a ruined downtown, especially not in a post-11.09.01 climate.
As others have mentioned, it's Superman vs Batman.
However, back in the early 1970s, Marvel and DC came together to print a comic that actually had Superman vs Spiderman.
I never bought it, but I assume that Spidy's radioactivity is Kryptonite-based.
Otherwise, if Kryptonite (or another Kryptonian) is not involved, then Superman will always win against anybody else.
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I recall something similar done with some superb lines:
"Did you really think a Lead-Lined Cape would stop the Man of Steel from finding out who you are, Mr Wayne?"
"Not really. By the way, did you really think combing your hair different would fool the worlds greatest detective, Mr Kent?"
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Our own dear Wil Wheaton.
Think about it. He's handsome in a boy-next-door Young Republican poster kind of way, he has the correct wholesome, too good to be true, "I'll save-the-day" associations in the public consciousness, he can actually act, he has geek appeal, and he looks good in a skin tight unitard.
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Look at how successful Xena has been over the years. I think that a superheroine is not too hard to swallow.
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I always pictured Superman tearing the arm off of Green Arrow. Probably the only way he could get him to stop fighting and stay quiet. I would like to see Frank Miller doing a flashback to that battle.
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No. Armour against bullets. Somehow you must have missed what I was replying to.
"I'm not impatient. I just hate waiting." - My Dad
Unbreakable was good, but it simply couldn't live up to the hype generated as "from the director/writer of The Sixth Sense". I'm hoping that Shyamalan doesn't pull the same trick in Signs -- a last second twist.
It was a good movie though, and the twist did do some gut wrenching. But perhaps a bit overwrought.
As for Keaton - nobody thought he'd be a good Wayne/Batman... but he played it right, much as Toby Wright did. You don't have to play the superhero -- that's merely a foil for the really interesting story, which is that of a man (or woman) who has immense power. And what that does to the person.
All of the later Batman movies failed because the actors tried to play the hero instead of the average guy. The script writers also focused too much on the hero instead of how the person is handling the issues.
Really this is a good bit of the "comic book curse" that afflicts non-written attempts to do superheros right.
So we can see after years of evidence that he's this
world-class intellect, yet Batman is going to defeat Superman's nearly
invincible physical attributes.
Batman is a dirty fighter. Superman isn't. The instant Batman heard of
Superman, he probably started thinking of ways to beat him, just in case.
That's the whole point of Batman and why he is so liked, he stacks the deck in
his favor every way he can think of.
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-- Its survival of the fittest...and we got the fucking guns!!!
Heh, i think i remember once seeing an episode when Superman
looks at batman with his x-ray vision, and sees he's Bruce Wayne, and
tells him something like "go home bruce" (trying to impress bruce
by letting him know that he knew who he was, etc), and later, when
superman gets to his appartment and 'changes' into Clark kent, he
looks out the window and sees batman on the roof across the street,
looking with a pair of binoculars and a smile that said "yeah, i
bet now you feel *really* dumb".
Totally, I remember that episode. That was good. There was a colloration in
the comic series. I believe it was "Death in The Family", where the second
Robin got beaten to death with a crowbar, (the possible start of the animosity
smoldering between Batman and Superman) when Superman was ordered by the state
dept to stop Batman from going apeshit. Superman was being apologetic and said
"Bruce" to Batman, trying to make a connection and all that. Batman turns
around and says "Never call me that name again....Kent." Tit for tat.
SealBeater
-- Its survival of the fittest...and we got the fucking guns!!!
For starters, The Dark Night Returns is bullshit, if Superman can move betweem 10,000-1,000,000 times faster than a baseline human, then he would have to be able to think that much faster than a baseline human. Forget how smart Batman is, it's nothing compared to someone who has somewhere between 10,000 and 1,000,000 times the subjective time you have to think about something. Remember the scene in Spiderman when Peter is fighting Flash Thompson in the hall and has time to relax and obviously consider the weirdness of it all during the time that Flash has to throw one punch. Now take that and multiply it by 1,000 or so and you get some fraction of how much faster Superman is. Holy crap! bullets are like still life to him! Has anybody seen Smallville? Clark can move freakishly fast in that show, and he's not remotely as powerful as full-grown Superman. Speed alone kills Batman, not to mention an inhuman IQ, super-strength (Supes once fought the ENTIRE JLA including Batman in the comics, and even though he was restraining himself, gave them a wicked beating.) Well, I could go on, but basically anybody who depends on The Dark Night Returns as their source for the Superman/Batman fight is nothing more than a deluded Batman sycophant. So there! And Rambo can beat Rocky any day too! Hello, Rambo's got a gun ya dork!
IIRC, someone once calculated from the quantities of kryptonite that have turned up on Earth and the inverse square law, that Krypton must have been so massive it collapsed into a black hole.
Not necessarily true. Remember Richard Pryor's supercomputer from Superman.. uh, 3 I think? There's no telling how much kryptonite it might have synthesized once it got the formula right.
Hey, there's an idea... Batman vs. Superman, with Superman's brain all contaminated with the messed up 'kryptonite' with tar so he'd be almost as big an asshole as Batman. I might pay to see that.
Oh, who am I kidding, I would wait for it on video. Heck, I'm passing on seeing a Star Wars movie in the theater, for crying out loud.
Hey kids, there's only 5 days left 'til Yak Shaving Day!
Batman ethical and boring? I suppose next you'll be telling me the Batman movie in the '60s was campy.
Oh, wait...
Hey kids, there's only 5 days left 'til Yak Shaving Day!
Heck, I'm passing on seeing a Star Wars movie in the theater, for crying out loud.
Me too. And the first movie (episode 4) was my first date with my wife. But what I've heard about AOTC doesn't fill me with desire to pay about 20 bucks to watch it in a large room full of strangers...
First off, let's get one thing straight. There has never been an appropriate physical casting of the Batman character, from Adam West to the modern Batman movies. (Michael Keaton? Val Kilmer? -- oh, give me a fscking break. Adam West did the job better than they did.) Batman's comics over the last 8 years (including the seminal work "The Dark Knight Returns" (TDKR)) amply demonstrates the lack in our movies. Someone close to Arnie's stature is needed, although they would need to be less brawny and more limber, since Batman's a noted martial artist. I mention Arnie since, not only is he of a55-kicking size, but he seems to act out high-society roles well enough. If only we had a white Wesley Snipes, eh? -- his fitness, appearance and demeanor are well suited to the Batman role.
... physically this was well enough done by Christopher Reeves.
But that was then.
Modern portrayals of Superman and Clark Kent make the character a larger man -- a commanding presence by most standards.
Even if Mr. Reeves wasn't disabled, he couldn't fulfill the role anymore; his over-characterization of a simpering, milquetoast Clark Kent is also no longer required.
In my opinion, Hollywood would have to find someone who could fit the physical description of Superman in the "Kingdom Come" comics.
Arnie could do it.
Vin Diesel isn't tall enough; and frankly his facial features more befit a street punk than a yuppie superhero.
The Rock? -- puh-leeze ... he needs to prove he can handle a dramatic role (heyyy, stop laughing).
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As for Superman's casting
The movie has great promise (which I'll explain) and it has enough material to work from. Pitting Batman against Superman has already been done, not only in several instances throughout their comics series, but primarily in TDKR. At least, there's always some sort of a low-level leadership struggle going on, as illustrated by many Justice League comics.
If the movie is to be in any way loyal to the fan base, it must seize the potential inherent in the strife between the characters. It'll have to demonstrate the low-level leadership struggles, and if outright hostilities commence, then the philosophical generators of the characters will have to be as follows
Superman is portrayed as having immense, godlike power while well controlled by a good heart. His approach is a typical, mythical Americanism: use overwhelming force and do not compromise basic principles. He values life over anything else and is willing to die for it. He lives two lives, in harmony.
Batman is the dark side of Americana (Superman's shadow in more ways than one): the hard, intellectually driven need for skill, order, justice and outright revenge. He's constantly under tension between his public (socialite) and private (crusader) personas. And like Superman, he also values life over anything else and is willing to die for it.
Superman's overwhelming force and good nature can always be countered by Batman's calculating application of knowledge and technology. The comics bring up this theme time and time again. This theme's fertile ground for good storytelling -- the question is, will the movie be cultivated there?
(Sorry for the length; I didn't realize that I had this much to say when I began typing.)
[also misbehaves on Kuro5hin as Peahippo]
It's been reported that a major studio has optioned the rights to "Little Archie vs. Richie Rich".
Other potential projects include:
Garfield vs. Snoopy
Dilbert vs. Drabble
Star Wars vs. Star Trek
Hello Kitty vs. Godzilla
Wanted: One witty yet thought provoking
Wil is 5'11", and if we're talking gay, I've got some really bad news for you about guys who spend a lot of time in the gym... ;-)
If it still bothers you, consider that the same actor is playing both Bruce Banner and the Hulk in next year's ">Ang Lee / James Shamus interpretation. We have the technology.
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Thank you for that account.
Now wishing I hadn't sold my comix. But WorldCom seemed like such a better investment!
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
Big deal. I could write a comic where Papa Smurf beats up Superman, but let's face it, no one would believe it. Lots of things are more powerful than a raging sense of vengeance... like Doomsday. Or a Green Lantern. Or even the wonder twins...
try eBay for a cheap paperback reprint, or go to any Barnes and Noble or Borders... or even Amazon. The joy is still out there.
That's part of the problem. Christopher Reeve made the role his own. Dean Cain and Tom Welling have just been playing in his shadow. Reeve was so right for the character (as drawn) that anyone else will look awkward and unconvincing in comparison.
So, why not take advantage of that? Superman and Batman have historically been drawn with similar physiques, but that's comic convention. Both Dark Knight and Kingdom Come played on Superman's godlike aspect, but I seriously doubt whether we're going to see anything like an adaptation of either of those, given the title.
Given the title, we're just going to see a conflict. For conflict, you need difference. The difference is largely in attitude and methods, but what's wrong with a difference of appearance as well? Batman needs a big physique. Superman doesn't. I'm picturing the dramatic potential of having a slight Superman that can physically intimidate a bulky Batman. That's an instant illustration that a conflict between these two characters cannot be the movie convention of two big men flexing and posturing and sweating testosterone. Superman is a misnomer; he's not human, not a man, and there's no reason to have him conform to the stereotypical macho man physique, other than habit and convention.
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Given the popularity of Alias, if Jennifer Garner doesn't get an Elektra spinoff from Daredevil then I'll be very surprised. However, if she does then I'll be very disappointed, but I'll be in a minority, I suspect.
Or, go and look at the plethora of rumours about a Wonder Woman movie. Front runner though is Sandra Bullock, another lips-on-stilts slipping clsoer to anorexia every birthday.
As an aside, how many superheroines aren't based to some degree on titilation?
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Yes, cloaked and masked in anonymising black, operating in secret without accountability, striking without warning, acting in the name of justice without being burdened by due process. Everything that we've come to expect from our modern paramilitary protectors, in fact.
What, did you think I was going to talk about Superman? Jeez, grow up.
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I never understood any real reason for Superman, Batman, Spiderman et al to have secret identities . Damon Wayans did a movie, about ten years ago, called "blankman" , that had a funny take on the whole secret identity thing.