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Kazaa-lite Shut Down
atari2600 writes "Finally it has happened. Zeropaid is reporting that the Kazaalite K++ project has been shutdown by Sharman Networks. The project, which had been set up to block spy and ad ware within the Kazaa Media Desktop Program has achieved notoriety within the P2p world through its simplistic approach and success in reverse engineering the Kazaa application."
Well I guess thats one way to stop P2P usage. Destroy the only good kazaa client.
Wait until MPAA and RIAA shut you down now too...
P2P is forbidden in our campus anyway, not much has changed for me...
Who cares, there ae enough GiFT frontends for both linux and windows available which will give you the same functionality.
Sharman shutting down K++ for copyright infringement? Isn't that what the RIAA is trying to do to Sharman... I know, I know, sharman doesn't actually host illegal files on their site, but it seems their entire business model revolves around copying music illegally.
And already /.'ed. Doesn't anyone have a mirror?
Well, it is a decentralized network, so it cannot be shut down. Nut there will be no more updates, I suppose.
I think Sharman will be in for a surprise once the find out that 75% of its 'users' were on the bootleged client. It's pretty obvious, those users aren't coming back either. The RIAA has already turned that network to shit with their corrupted songs. I guess we call all move on up to BitTorrent :D
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And someone will strip-out the spyware.
And, pray tell, how can something out of the reach of the RIAA's long legal arm can have things done????
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Slashdot has taken down Zeropaid...
You can still find it on Kazaa. Oh the irony.
I'm sure I'm just stating the obvious here, but isn't it a little hypocritical for them to complain about people breaking their license agreement when 99.9% of the time their software is used to steal from other companies?
Zeropaid /.'ed. Alternative article. Probably the original anyway.. zeropaid has a habit of ahem 'stealing' news.
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My Kazaa Lite still works... I don't feel the need to upgrade anytime soon, so it's not going to make a huge difference to me. Heck, I'm still using Word 97.
Even if the Kazaa Lite website goes away, what's to prevent people from trading the old version of Kazaa Lite on Kazaa?
Guess it's time to start using mlMac and Poisoned on my Mac
"Where do P2P'ers go when they die" ..."
"They don't go to heaven where the angels fly
The project, which had been set up to block spy and ad ware within the Kazaa Media Desktop Program has achieved notoriety within the P2p world through its simplistic approach and success in reverse engineering the Kazaa application.
However, the program infringed on the copyright of Sharman Networks, the company that now own and program the Kazaa Media Desktop application, after the purchase of the code and copyright in 2002. The FastTrack (Kazaa) network is financed through advertising systems, which Kazaa Lite K++ does not include, and so was seen as a threat by the owners.
Sharman have threatened legal action, and ordered that the offending content be removed from the official Kazaa Lite sites, including http://www.kazaalite.tk/ which now contains no reference to the existance of the application.
RatFaced said that the decision was ?Ironic, that Kazaa is complaining about copyright issues, especially as K-Lite ++ stands for everything that Kazaa CLAIMS to stand for... but fails to deliver.?
We will perhaps never see Kazaa Lite again, but we can hope that users will remain aware of the spyware that is hidden inside the Kazaa application, which is used to finance the creation of the software.
eMule and WinMX offer spyware-free alternatives to Kazaa.
Bush: He's Liberal in all the wrong ways.
Sorry, there are no convenient music outlets available in my bedroom, at 11.30 p.m, on a Sunday evening.
Maybe except this one and this one and this one and this one and...
it took me half an hour last night to find the newest version and I eventually had to download it (the english version mind you) from Germany.
Judging by the "music" you listen to, I can't imagine why anything over 96kbps is even necessary.
And be it that it may that you are only interested in music, many other people do have other interests. I use kazaa k++ for perfectly legitimate reasons, such as finding beta patches to games or looking for humerous video clips.
Why should people "just buy the factory CDs anyway"? Most of them are crap. They are a waste of money. The RIAA has screwed itself with its own corporate greed by constantly promoting artists that are without talent. If I want to show the artists that I enjoy what they do, I will go to a live performance. Most artists are not seeing any substantial income from their CD sales- that gets eaten up by the record companies for a bunch of bullshit fees and promotion costs. Bands make their money from touring- and the RIAA now wants a bigger piece of that pie too.
I've found that the time it takes to get good (192kbps+) versions of songs off of a complete album is much longer and expensive than simply shelling out 10 bucks for the CD at a music store.
I can download a 600 meg movie from other people on campus in about 15 seconds. I have also found this time to be way too long for it to be worthwhile. So, I just let my roomates download it.
It wasn't the RIAA that took down Kazaa Lite, it was Sharman Networks (the creators of the "real" Kazaa). Kazaa Lite was a reverse engineered and modified version of Kazaa, and Sharman complained it was copyright infringement.
and i was just about to download it to get some songs i REALLY need.
If you're to the point of REALLY NEEDING them, and not just wanting them, you could always go buy the cd.
Everything will be taken away from you.
1.) Download Kazaa
2.) Run Kazaa and search for K++ lite
3.) Download K++ lite from Kazaa
4.) Install K++ lite and delete Kazaa
Presto!
You must be new here. You're not supposed to fill in all the steps; you use a ??? for one of them.
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See, I live in a dorm, and we're unable to connect to Kazaa here, the network flat out won't let us, with no (legal) way around it. For some reason though, K-Lite still connects. Can someone reccomend a good program to me for all file types? I predominantly download movies, the occasional game to demo it, and sometimes music. And please don't reccomend iMesh. I don't know if I could have intentionally installed that much spyware on my computer. I strongly doubt they have anything of the GNU variety blocked, but there are so many GNU P2P programs I don;t know which one to get. Noobish question I'm sure, but any advice is appreciated.
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So boys and girls, for your video needs, be they anime, TV shows or movies, turn over to
suprnova.org . It's not as exaustive as Kazaa, but there are thousand of excellent torrents over there.
I've said this before, and I will say it again. BT is not a good network for illegal content.
It's efficient in distributing large files quickly, especially if lots of people want them. However, it does so at the cost of any and all anonymity.. It's trivial to find IPs of people sharing any file (just ask the tracker; it'll give you a FULL LIST), without even downloading the file/joining the swarm yourself.
The MPAA at least has already begun sending DMCA-ish notices to ISPs stating "BitTorrent" as the network name..
As I've also said before, Don't do things illegal in your country!
(And if you want to do them, maybe you need to move to a different Country? God bless Canada and the blank media tax; I don't mind paying a little bit on every CD-R for a music piracy license!)
DJ kRYPT's Free MP3s!
oops, before they break out the lawyers and now the page has loaded: they credit PeerGuardian with the original story. Of course, whether that's the original original, who knows. hehe. the Net is wonderful in this way ;)
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I guess we can all move on up to BitTorrent :D
BitTorrent is too centralized for this kind of things (large scale, anyway).
Instead, check out eMule and Soulseek.
Treehugger? Treehugger... Treehugger!
Quicktime Alternative, Real Alternative and the K-L codec packs are still easy enough to find... I don't think KLite++ will disappear for long.
Ph-nglui mglw'nafh Gates M'dna wgah'nagl fhtagn.
For that matter, retooling the program as a patch wouldn't be that bad an idea. People download the real Kazaa, and then there's a prog they can download which converts it into K++.
It'll just be a little while before things stablize and it's generally available again.
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At the bottom of one of the articles about K++'s shutdown, is a link for Diet K (http://www.dietk.com/).
Since the site doesn't really say too much about it, has anyone ever used it?
You can find Kazaa on K Lite ++ too!
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"There is no teacher but the enemy."-Mazer Rackham
how long it would take to be shut down. Imagine if someone released a free product called "Windows Light" that was just like M$ Windows but faster and hassle free. Microsoft would have them in court ASAP for all sorts of things.
:)
Or perhaps something like UNIX Light...oh wait, BSD did that and they DID have a court battle
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Great Song, I liked "Oh Me" better though.
Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
...no previews, no sales. Whereas I hear mindless pop rubbish on the radio and know not to buy it, record companies have lost one avenue to sell their less well-known artists. Not that they ever cared to promote many of them in the first place, but they definitely got money from me as a result...
Ph-nglui mglw'nafh Gates M'dna wgah'nagl fhtagn.
Like MLDonkey.. GiFT... etc..
Seems counterproductive to shut out access to the stuff you are trying to push.. Hmm sounds like the MPAA in a way if you think about it..
---- Booth was a patriot ----
As long as the application has been released, it's no big deal if it's been shut down. I mean, UltraHLE was only out for a few hours, but it survided.
"All art is quite useless." -- Oscar Wilde
I would gladly pay $10 for a good CD (i.e. one that has more than 2 decent songs on it) by a band that I like. I think what people have a problem with is paying almost $20 for a CD with maybe 1 or 2 songs they actually want to hear. As much as I dislike Wal-Mart and Best Buy, these stores have been holding down the price of most new music.
Of course, the RIAA isn't going after downloaders (I wonder if they'd win) -- they're going after uploaders. And having paid a tax on your CD-R media won't help there.
I just took a look at the Kazaa Lite homepage and found a new app on the list I haven't seen since my last check a few weeks ago.... It seems "Soul Seek" (that name bothers me) is the replacement they are now offering... One catch, IT'S A CENTRAL SERVER! So why hasn't the RIAA ran after this?
<conspiracy mode=1>
Maybe the RIAA has paid off the makers of K++ and made this new "app" as a honeypot for people to use instead so to collect data on users who request songs that are copyrighted... What kept K++ anonymous was its decentralized system, why would the RIAA not go after something that is directly hosting copyrighted files? Unless some news about the RIAA going after Soul Seek comes up, I am gonna steer clear of it...
<conspiracy mode=0>
Business \Busi"ness\, n.;
A scam in which all people involved perceive as beneficial...
1) Create really neat P2P application and release it for free
2) Get people addicted to free porn
3) Charge for service
4) ???
Political Correctness is doubleplusungood.
I just tested it and there are 3,678,170+/- users online with me. The article can't handle being slashdotted so I didn't really get to read it, but is there a set date when the client will become inactive?
Kazaa lite was getting bloated anyways. It serves it's purpose with the no advertisments. Instead, they decide to add all of these great features such as "download enhancers." There really isn't anything else they could add. The current version is fine.
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Download Kazaa
Search for KAzaa K++
download it
Install it
And delete the regular KAzaa
I know it works because I did it on a computer I was setting up.
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Support Indy Music. Buy
What if the song you want is a special remix which isn't available in the stores? What if the album you want is from an artist who nobody sells and the label which origionaly released the song is not around anymore? Does going down to the store and shelling out $15 for a CD which cannot be purchased to support that artist hold water anymore? I feel this is the REAL tragady of P2P. Plus I live in the US, I happen to like Eurodance and other forms of music from Europe. However such music is not easy to find here especialy since CDNow was purchased by Amazon.
Everyone talks about getting their music for free and whatnot. For me P2P was all about discovering new music. When I was on Napster back in the day my CD purchasing budget was about $50-$100 a month! I was getting new songs which *I* liked, not what some marketing department wanted me to listen to. Also as I mentioned earler, what about preserving music which cannot be found leagaly? P2P makes for a great medium for this!
Damm u RIAA, Metalica and everyone else who was against P2P.
---- Fight to protect your right to keep and arm bears! ummmm... ya I think that's right....
Sharman also operates P2P telephony-IM project called Skype I'm just wondering if there is any spyware in it and if so, is anybody going to create something like Skype Lite L++?
You can always download it here: OldVersion
Sound waves should be free!
Longer? depends how far you are from the shops, and how fast your net connection is. N/m whether the store *has* what you want!
More expensive? haha.. one is free m8, or at least should be lower cost, if you're paying for the connection anyway or someone else is.
Lower quality? you're using the wrong networks, or don't know how to use them right, or are an audiophile who thinks he can hear differences but can't ABX them.
sorry to sound like an argumentative d*ck but the net *is* a better distribution method in general, for music.
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My main usage for P2P is still to sample songs from an artist. It used to be radio was the way to do so. With the radio playlists being controlled so heavily by a few companies. And those companies (Clear Channel, etc) in bed with the recording industry how do we as consumers get to listen to new artists that we might enjoy rather than what the industry wants me to buy? I stopped listening to the radio years ago because my musical tastes did not revolve around gangster rap or boy bands or female teenage pop sensations. So when I get a recommendation from my friends, I find the song. If I like it, I buy the album. If not, I delete the song. Others may not be as moral, but like most things in life, it's how you use something, not the item itself that really determines its value.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
I really don't mind seeing ads in the software while I am using it, so I would be fine if GAIN still served random ads to the software. What I don't like is being barraged with ads while I am not using the software, and having my privacy violated by tracking. If someone could come up with a way to limit Gator to just giving the software ads to display, I'd be much more willing to use adware.
a bit off-topic I know, but if the ads weren't so damned annoying and intrusive, maybe people wouldn't turn to stuff like K++.
Does running btdownloadheadless on a foreign shell account while going through an open proxy in brazil through your neighbors insecure wireless access point count as another country?
For every annoying gentoo user, are three even more annoying anti-gentoo crybabies. Take Yosh from #Gimp for example.
And they provide 192kbit+ unencumbered mp3 files?
Bittorrent uploads as well as downloads. Uploads are illegal in Canada.
New formula:
1) Find old not-so-funny joke
2) Ruin it
3) Profit!
We do not live in the 21st century. We live in the 20 second century.
The main thing that people may not be getting is that not only is Sharman shutting down the Kazaa Lite download sites (which in it of itself would not be so much of a problem since it can be distributed over P2P), it's also making the new client (2.5) not let K-Lite (or any Kazaa under 2.4 for that matter) participate in its shares, basically banning it from the mainstream Kazaa network. If we factor in the fact that K-Lite users generally disable becoming a supernode, this becomes a real problem.
However, the article also mentions that there is DietK which strips all of the adware off of Kazaa (although it doesn't have all of the other nice features of K-Lite), and other clients which are still compatible with the fast track network.
$24 - WHAT! Where do you shop? Did she want some collectors edition signed by the artist?
Come on. $15 I could have believed.
WinMX is good for music/video content. Emule is good for anything else, if a bit slow.
kazaa lite k++ will still work you just wont be able to download the installer any more.
Last.fm - join the social music revolution
Alot of people don't seem to care about Kazaalite. To some degree I don't either; it certainly doesn't effect me. This does, however, set a very bad legal precident.
Alot of the spyware out there is destructive. It can and does slow your computer down, mess with your system settings, and in some cases completely disable your computer. Perhaps if Kazaalite was making money off this (i think they might have been..maybe it was diet kazaa) it would be a slightly different matter. Regardless, users of their own computers should have the right to disable software which causes their computer to do things which they don't want it to. Hell, forget doing it for a profit. A car manufacturer can't prevent me from buying a modified or refurbished car from a private dealer.
Alot of people out there want to pass consumer rights laws to combat the DMCA and other intrusive laws. This is not a good solution -- its only an eternal game of cat and mouse. These laws need to be repealed. Sure, let microsoft use copy-protection and other schemes for their xbox, but don't stop me, as the owner of that piece of equipment, from modifying it so that it does what *I* want it too.
The problem with your argument is that most people don't want to download all the songs on an album- they only want a few. To download 2 or 3 good songs off of an album at high quality (192kbps+) still takes less time than it would to get in your car and drive to the store. And it is also infinitely cheaper.
Funny you should say that because there was a USA Today article in today's newspaper that discussed the implications of a single song music market, ie- the end of the album. There are still some artists who produce albums as an artistic whole, not just a bunch of singles, but as a complete artistic statement. The fear is that if the per song market becomes dominent, that the art of albums will consequently suffer.
Definitely some interesting thoughts to consider. I've been on both sides of the fence. I've bought albums that I thought, "Wow, the rest of this sucks." and I've also bought albums and thought, "Wow, I'm so glad I have all of this, it rocks!".
Who said Freedom was Fair?
I predict that the only consequences that this could have for Sherman's network are negative ones. Honestly, have the sharers with fast connections been using the proper, sherman client? Simply, NO! Can one really expect, after so long sans spyware, these advanced, high-speed users to begin to use their spyware-filled client? Simply, NO! These users will maintain the status quo by continuing to use their existing Kazaa-lite clients, or they won't share on the Kazaa network at all; either way, how does this help you, Sherman?
or, you know, you could go to IRC. and isnt gnutella still active? I still refuse to purchase music, too expensive, bleh
if you can read this, good, because i sure cant
and due to the masses of people going there, they're having bigtime bandwidth problems.
not only that, but their trackers keep going down.
MABASPLOOM!
SS is a seperate network developed by an ex-Napster programmer (you can see the similarities in the client app) which has managed to stay under the radar fairly nicely and i for one don't want to see shutdown, seeing as it has a nice community and song selection. yes it is centralised, currently it is two networks in fact, but your conspiracy theory is way off ok; these things are not connected, i'm 99% sure.
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No big loss, let me assure you. Just go the video store and rent "The Hot Spot" or "Career Opportunities" instead.
I'm assuming the biggest reason anyone would want to watch Hulk would be for Jennifer Connolly (or maybe I should say biggest reasons ).
GMD
watch this
It looks fine to me, weirdly.
"All it takes to fly is to hurl yourself at the ground... and miss." - Douglas Adams
I seem to recall that our friend Bay TSP was using a modified version of Kazaa Lite K++ to search for enfringers on the Kazaa network.
Bay TSP is run by that ex-hacker guy and they specialize in finding all MP3s share on all sources, and log the IP as well as time, date, other info.
Maybe its not a bad thing Kazaa Lite was shut down, at least it will keep Bay TSP off the Kazaa network.
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Tried MLDonkey? (Google it). It works on Fasttrack as well as Bittorrent, EDonkey, even has Soulseek support.
Someone mirror the Kazaa Lite binary somewhere, how else am I supposed to tell people through tech support to download it?
It's better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.
- E. Debs
I don't know about you, but none of the wal-marts's within a hundred miles of me are open past 11 nor do they open before 9.
Mail-order companies also refuse to deliver there? What is this place, Antarctica? International Space Station? Los Angeles South Central?
Especailly for people like me who like the smaller, less known bands that don't sell in big (if ANY) stores.
A "smaller, less known band" is usually also harder to find at the p2p's.
But for the artists that I like, I would rather pirate their CD and send them the $20 directly.
Nice idea, but somehow everyone stops on the first half.
come on, everyone knows the last step is Profit!
--Hi, I'm Bob--
You should try limewire, it's much better than Kazaa anyways; Recently it's download speed and efficiency has improved greatly. When you pay for it, you don't have any ad-ware, and you get free updates for 6 months.
..no one cared, as they have all moved to other methods of file-getting. :D
Overnet (formerly eDonkey)
Games, Software, Keygens, Cracks, anything you can think of, just a little slow at beginning of download, but after awhile, downloads from over 100 sources at a time.
DC++
Games, Software, Keygens, Cracks, anything you can think of, just a little harder to use and overall slower, unless you use the 1stleg hublist (http://www.1stleg.com/PublicHubList.config)
Soulseek
Mainly for music. Search for artists, select lots of tracks, leave on overnight and PRESTO! Instant GIGABYTES of music.
BitTorrent
Use other sites to search for files, and download with this software.
That's all I can think of right now, but that should get you started.
I used to love Kazaa lite. But, without it, I'll just stop wasteing time downloading songs that static out after 20 seconds, or are mislabeled, or whatever. I haven't found a decent copy of a song in weeks. I think the RIAA is purposefully filling up Kazaa with junk, it's certainly a more effective tactic than sueing people.
"What is Internet Explorer 7? Are you saying we can't access the normal internet?" - I love tech support. Really.
the new shareaza beta is amazing, hasn't crashed, but it includes the gnutella, gnutella2 (mike's...),edonkey, and bittorrent download here PS: No Spyware
"trackers keep going down"
.9%. It stays that way until they get another tracker up.
For people who don't understand the severity of this, what ends up happening when a tracker goes down is you have 30 or so people connected who all have 99.1% of the download, and no one has the remaining
Etiquette is etiquette. He kills his mother but he can't wear grey trousers.
Konspire2B. I'd post a URL, but it's in my sig anyway ^^^
Yeah its good, I wouldnt use normal kazaa.
:-(
Now where am I going to get my 5mb porn clips from
Bush and Blair ate my sig!
OOh... Wonder how long it will take K++ Source to Appear on Kazza's network :)
Who needs WiFi when we can have Packet Over Sheep! http://datacomm.org/PoS-InternetDraft.txt
Kinda went downhill for me after going to their page required you to click on all these annoying popup ads and all this other garbage.
It sorta made the whole thing ironic... he made the program so others wouldn't have to listen to all the popup and spyware that came up on kazaa... yet this web page where you DOWNLOAD kazaalite is filled with gator ads, popups, and other annoying things.
Even worse, you couldn't just block the popups; he banned you from the page if you were using anything but IE!
Bah.
hookers and grits.
Well, emusic.com used to provide unlimited lame --preset standard downloads for as low as $9.99 a month. They now don't have unlimited downloads and I expect DRM to follow.
"Nature doesn't care how smart you are. You can still be wrong." - Richard Feynman
That's fine, assuming that everything you want is available for sale. My wife and I have several thousand CDs and an even larger number of LPs (remember those?).You'd be amazed at how many things that were issued on vinyl have never re-appeared on CD.
During the "Golden Age" of file sharing we were in that group of people who were uploading far more tracks than we ever downloaded. And the vast majority of our uploads were tracks we had ripped from vinyl and cleaned up. Tracks like obscure Siouxsie Sioux EPs and b-sides. We were the first people to rip the "Will Powers" album.
It's fine if you don't know what I'm talking about and it's also fine if you don't care. But the point is that there were a lot of people who wanted these tracks and the no way to get them. What are they supposed to do? For instance, it's the Xmas season. Labels release special tracks to radio stations - Warner Brothers' collection used to be called "Winter Warnerland" and had some really bizzare stuff. Fans want every track and every track simply isn't for sale.
"How perfectly Goddamn delightful it all is, to be sure" Charles Crumb
There's a new Kazaa spyware-free client out called Fat-Free Decaffinated K!
Procrastination sucks.
Perhaps it's time you expand your musical horizon then. I usually don't buy an album unless I like almost all of the songs, and my primary constraint is that I don't make enough money (so only 3-5 cd's a month).
Now, I don't buy music from a store that doesn't have listening stations (where they have a real cd player where you can skip and seek and they play the cd YOU asked for). But just for the heck of it, I went by wal-mart and best buy when I visited the states a month ago. No surprise that I didn't find much music in those stores.
"And please don't reccomend iMesh. I don't know if I could have intentionally installed that much spyware on my computer."
Instructions:
1. Go to Google.
2. Search for CleaniMesh
3. Download CleaniMesh
4. ???
5. Profit, I suppose
I'm amazing. You aren't. SUCK IT
Step 1: Download KaZaA Step 2: Search for KaZaA Lite Problem solved!
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That's almost true. I have a large collection of music CDs, although I always mp3 them to play on my computer. I don't have a problem with buying music, domestic or import, although I do wonder about the prices sometimes. The artist gets their $0.12 share, whatever. The government gets more in tax on the sale.
The only time I resort to a P2P application, or any other means for that matter, is when I simply can't find a song on a CD. There's a lot of music that you just can't buy here. It may be out of print, never released in the US and not easily imported, etc. If I can't buy it, then I'll acquire it.
Is it wrong? Perhaps, perhaps not. Until there's a good alternative to finding ANY published song, which is A: free from the esoteric issues of regional licensing restrictions, and B: complete enough to find everything I'm looking for, I'd say it's not unreasonable to use a P2P application (or other available technology) to find them.
GPL: Free as in will
LimeWire (and other Gnutella clients)
Emule
Soulseek
Blubster
Elf
SuprNova (and other BitTorrent indicies)
Freenet
Earthstation 5
And many others, as well.
C'mon, guys.... as the RIAA shuts down p2p networks and applications, new ones appear every now and then.
Sherman is doing a similar thing, and won't be the exception.
I guess we'll soon see Kazaa Ultra Lite++++.
Zeropaid was crawling yesterday when I submitted this story to Slashdot. It probably didn't take much to push it over the edge.
As an interesting corollary, you'll notice that if you search for Kazaa or Kazaa Lite on Google, you get "In response to a complaint we received under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we have removed 2 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read the DMCA complaint for these removed results."
- Murphy's Corollary: - It is impossible to make things foolproof because fools are so ingenious.
or... the tracker comes back. or you get the parts from the people you're already downloading from, because the people they're already downloading from have 100%. dead trackers are much more of a pain in the ass for people trying to start downloads, because they can't get hooked into the torrent.
"We should not paid [teachers] for there" educating of you, either.
Well, I object to the stupid cd-r tax! I mean, I don't ever burn my downloaded music! Why should I pay the RIAA to burn my warez ! ;)
"When a ball dreams, it dreams it's a frisbee"
Why not move the project to freenet? They can develop and distribute it anonymously there, and with the lastest builds, it has become quite bearable (especially the popular sites - like the one with all the playboy centerfolds)...
Saying downloading music is infinitely cheaper is false; as the original author stated, the amount of time taken to get the file required of sufficient quality can be quite high. It depends how much you value your free time. I work normal office hours like anyone else, and I think my free time (this is bringing back memories of backwards bending J-curves from economics) is normally better spent either checking my favourite online media vendors or just popping into the music shop while I'm in town anyway. YMMV.
Bittorrent is centralized for P2P.
Shareaza 1.9 is out. It supports 4 protocols.
I use kazaa k++ for perfectly legitimate reasons, such as finding beta patches to games or looking for humerous video clips.
Who's he trying to fool with "humorous video clips" We all know what he's really downloading.
THere's been an article or two about it n /., but mp3 trading can be good for business. Three years ago, when Penny Arcade had a radio station, I heard a song by Matthew Good and went out and downloaded about 20 of his songs. This was over the period of a week or so and in 3-5 song increments.
After that, I went out and over another period of time bought almost every single one of his CDs. Sure, I had a burner but it's not the same quality.
I've since quit file sharing (unless you're my friend and you know how to use scp) and for that matter, I've quit purchasing CDs.
Anecdotal evidence but I'm very aware I'm not the only one that's done this. It's not a "thief's ethic" it's good common sense.
you buy music at walmart and best buy?
theres your problem buddy...
DRUGS ARE BAD.
heh, glad to see /. is up to date. this was on metafilter yesterday. and they included a link to a site that still has K++ for download. you can find it here.
this is the fourth article in three days that i've read on mefi before slashdot. if this is a continuing trend, there's no need to be a subscriber. mefi is free.
And how is that different from any other p2p network? The only difference is that with some others you may need to initiate a download to get the list, but if you are working for a company working for the RIAA to monitor p2p (which is a growing industry), I somehow think they won't be charging you with copyright infringement.
No.
Musicians NEED to be paid. Would you rather that they're happy in the knowledge that you are happy with their music while they're homeless and on the street?
When you make someone laugh or have a good time, it's ENTIRELY different from a musician spending weeks in a recording studio trying to perfect an album. How do you expect the musician to pay for that time spent doing that if the music is free? Why shouldn't they just get a normal job and leave music altogether if they aren't going to receive any financial compensation for it? Do you think that creating music is free or doesn't take up valuable time?
Back to reality with you.
That said, I'm not willing to pay the exorbitant amounts that the RIAA wants us to, nor am I willing to support them with my money so that they can quelch P2P and filesharing. Thus, I'm very interested in places like Magnatune that are totally unrelated to the RIAA, let us choose the price (within reason), and let us hear the entire album before buying the full CD-quality non-compressed version.
What we need (I've mentioned this before) is a P2P service that charges a monthly fee, not based on per-download, that reasonably supports the artists. That is something I'd be willing to pay for.
It's better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.
- E. Debs
(And if you want to do them, maybe you need to move to a different Country? God bless Canada and the blank media tax; I don't mind paying a little bit on every CD-R for a music piracy license!)
Ha ! Think so ?
I don't know about Canada, but here in France we pay a tax on every cdrs, and IIRC on every storage device, HDD whatever (because everyone knows that if you buy a HDD or a CDR, it's to fill it with mp3s...)
It'a quite stupid, but at least you'd think that since you've paid a tax because you copy medias it's now your right to do so...
Not at all ! copying a cd to your friend is still illegal, file sharing is still illegal, and we hear all time on TV that "media producing companies" are complaining because we're nasty pirates who suck their money. Never mind the fact that on any CDR I buy (mostly for archiving raw sounds that I produced), I have to pay 5% (IIRC) more to compensate them.
Still, we never heard them complaining so much...
Just so you know, I wasn't talking out of my ass
It's been that way since 3 AM too.
Etiquette is etiquette. He kills his mother but he can't wear grey trousers.
Always pondered over this. If you were faced with being destroyed, why not removing names and such from the code and leak it out? I'm sure its not very legal.. but how are they going to force you to acknowledge its yours? I mean, they spent how long fighting with SCO just to show code that they themselves are ranting on about, Microsoft fought it off too, why cant you just say you accidently deleted it? :P
I've left to find myself. If you happen to see me, please, keep me there until I return.
What ab bunch of crap this guy, who is obviously a consumer and not some plant is modded flamebate for an opinion that clearly come from his use of misc p2p apps, but the guy who flames hiom is modded insightful? Shouldn't they be modded flamer?
People DO use P2P to get entire albums. Or they would if it wasn't so lame.
The ***number one*** way to find new music I like (with a computer or not) is to listen to other songs off the same album as the one I got a single from. If this wasn't the case, The RIAA probably would have stopped putting out entire albums by the same artist a long time ago. Albums are often conceptual, which also create a sum>parts situation when listening. Do most people downloading Pink Floyd's Ummagumma only want the radio hits? And if I only find out that Lucinda Williams has a new album from playing online, why would I go elsewhere to get it? IF P2P could provide gull albums, it should. Just like if the RIAA could not be lame, it should. And the griping here doesn't help.
I just spent several searches getting two recent pop albums, both had mulitiple great singles. One however, was awful just filler, the other was excellent. How do I know this, because I searched over a p2p network many times at many rates, searched allmusic for the track names and tediously found them. I make decent money so I hate the time and am tempted to buy CD's, but this was still better than spending $36 for ONE good album and a coaster.
Besides, the only thing I do with a CD is ripp it and stuff it in a box. Those boxes take up a lot more space than a external drive.
So, to sum it all up, RIAA sucks, P2P Album searching sucks, Fascist moderators trying to remove discussion by experienced users by modding things "Oldspeak" sucks, and I suck (I actually liked Timberlake's CD!!!) BTW, I am doing something about this exact problem (the album issue, not my taste).
I'm not sure why a "simplistic approach" (i.e. OVER simplified) is a good thing. Did you mean "simple"
-- "At Microsoft, quality is job 1.1" -- PC Magazine, Nov. 1994
there is also an alternative to the adware/spyware-free K++. diet kazaa is an add-on for kazaa that strips it of adware and spyware. so who really needs K++ anymore?
I do. We have a similar thing in the US. Every time you buy a blank audio tape, video tape, or DAT tape, Disney and others get a cut of the sale.
Why should the producers of "Martin Luther King Speaks" have to pay Disney for the privilege of producing their own program?
www.shareaza.com connects to multiple networks at one time and is a bitorrent client.
Takes a little longer to get music files, but for larger downloads, it's worked faster than kazaa.
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At the moment, I really like two programs:
See the RIAA doesnt want you to sample tracks before you buy them because they want you to buy the cd to sample the track. This way no matter what they always get the sale. Now that the consumer has such an easy way to sample whole albums/track to decide where they like it or not RIAA is loosing money from you and me not buying the whole cd. They hate you and me for that. All of a sudden my cd purchase choices have gotten smarter and "I" save myself money by not spending $20 for a piece of plastic because most of the album sucks.
Thats right RIAA "I" save money by pre listening to music from P2P.
Anyways Im hung over so all ove the above might not make any sence once I reread it in a few hours.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
Am I really to believe that each and every one of those K-Lite download sites was hosted from a server inside the United States, and thus was vulnerable to DMCA threats? Sounds fairly hard to believe - and even if it's true, how long until someone gets it back online with a server in, say, Finland?
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The time spent in recording studios is waste of money. How does it benifit society? I do not think creating music is free. There is a cost, but the payment should be found in the joy of producing it and knowledge that you are bring entertainment to the world. It should be a weekend hobby instead of a pay for job.
seems to be linux only... is there anything similar for Windows do you know? i would be interested to try it, because i find Kazaa (Lite) a bad system hog.
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A "smaller, less known band" is usually also harder to find at the p2p's.
I have to disagree somewhat. Given 15 minutes and 2 P2P nets to choose from, I can find almost anything anyone could want unless it hasn't been released yet. Maybe 6-12 months ago you might have had some difficulties.
But for the artists that I like, I would rather pirate their CD and send them the $20 directly.
Nice idea, but somehow everyone stops on the first half.
Again, 6-12 months ago maybe. I have personally in the last 3 months, purchased a 2CD album of an artist I like (Junkie XL), in which was the URL to go to the RadioJXL site, and purchase 2 more CD's worth of music for the same album for $4.95US through PayPal. Darn right I'm going to pay the artist directly.
It's the COST of things that is the bottom line. I have no doubts that (at least where I live, Western Canada) plenty of people would buy the albums if only they were less than $15-20CDN for SINGLE CD albums. Like half the price.
I buy CD's from bands live. The CDs are rarely over $10CDN, because the band themselves are directly selling them. I wouldn't be too surprised to find out they get at least half of that money as profits.
Of course, Canadian artists (unless you're known as Nickelback, Shania Twain, Celine Dion or The Barenaked Ladies) have to market like a small-town US band... or sell out to the RIAA and move in to your lovely new home in Malibu complete with live-in ho-ma's.
You are living in a dreamworld, Neo. How do you expect to have high-quality MP3s with good recording of instruments and good editing without professional-quality hardware?
It's better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.
- E. Debs
I would just like to add, the only reason I steal music, games, movies is because I don't want to pay for them. There's no way of justifying it, it's theft, and I do it everyday day after day, because it's cheap and easy.
--- "Beginnings are rarely noticed."
Fast track is still pretty good if your not being real specific, and its better than most for music and some videos. For games and specific videos though, your better off kickin' it old school on IRC. Also, lets see the school try to block IRC.
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
When you watch a pirate movie, everyone's a criminal, and technically everyone's a "bad" guy, but still within the logic of the movie there are distinct people you come to think of as "good guys" and "bad guys".
Napster is the crazy, "bad but cool", immoral and greedy but gallant and kind pirate. His death scene is dramatic and gets you all pissed off at whoever it was who took him down. Afterward his crew scatters and his ship is sold off to some random merchant group.
Gnutella is the romantic, moral, and heroic pirate who fails either because of incompetence but because his own lack of cruelty (or, depending on how you look at it, his softness) is in the end exploited as a weakness.
Sharman Networks is the band of pirates which is just plain EVIL. They don't care about anything, they have no positive qualities, and despite the whole pirates-are-cool mentality of the movie, I mean, come on, they're just *evil*. Their leader, Kazaa, is bloodthirsty and cruel, and he killed his gallant and kind first mate Morpheus-- who is played by Orlando Bloom and who most of the audience had fallen in love with at that point-- in cold blood, out of pure envy and greed.
The RIAA, of course, is the stock British Navy captain, because even though he technically represents "good", and technically one supposes his job is to go around and save lives and stuff, you root against him anyway, because he's a slimeball, he's blatantly corrupt, and everyone who works for him was cruelly and forcibly conscripted into a hellish life of prison-like service to the navy during raids on passing ships which are not really (when you think about it) much different from the raids performed by the pirates.
Irritable, left-wing and possibly humorous bumper stickers and t-shirts
I could care less, I stopped downloading from it some time ago. Another /.er recommended iRate, which is quite good.
Incorporate in Vanatu? Idiots...
SCO: 800-726-8649
Verisign: 800-361-8319, 888-642-9675
Diebold: 800-433-VOTE (8683)
Man, where is the open proxy in Brazil? I've been searching for it, like, forever!
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"Plus, you can show the artists you like (White Stripes, Strokes, Outkast)" So, you don't like movies or games, and your musical tastes lean toward the pedestrian and spoon-fed? Because of course YOUR musical taste is VASTLY superior to any of the rest of us. Why don't you just let people enjoy the music they like? Do you feel some sort of great disturbance in the force everytime someone listens to a song you don't like? As far as the P2P debate goes, I would not have bought any of the last 20 or so CDs I have purchased if I had not previewed the songs off KazaaLite. I probably would still have bought the same number of CDs, but they definitely would have been more mainstream then the CD's I have purchased.
In scanning the replies, I haven't seen any reference to these: what about non-network methods of download like mIRC and FTP (I guess technically mIRC has networks)?
I generally hit up indexing services like packetnews or oth to find downloads (for mIRC or FTP servers, respectively). Is there some secret evil (other than the dirty feeling of piracy) to these or are they just less well-known?
Between the two of these and SoulSeek, I can find just about anything I'm looking for, including full 192+ kbps album rips.
And as a plug to those of you who enjoy live music, check out the scads of SHN/FLAC BT downloads at bt.etree.org.
I could care less what a program wants to "spy" on when it's on a VMware os with a bare bones WinXP Pro install. Shut down VMware, don't save the changes, and I start VMware every time with a fresh, uh... virgin :) os and my P2P app.
www.vmware.com
Here's a tip, make one VMware session that has all the known P2P apps outthere. Let the spyware install! Horray! Bwcause there is nothing to spy on. Inside the dedicated "P2P machine" I keep all the P2P's in the startup and hide all desktop icons and even the taskbar is set to autohide. Start the machine, download stuff, then just ftp to main box. Then shut down vmware without saving. Simple.
Open source equivs to VMware? There are some I think. Know of any?
A> buy the album, listen to the music.
B> don't buy the album, don't listen to the music.
Anything other than those two options is screwing someone over.
Who is "screwed over" by my downloading an album off kazaa and listening to the music? And how are those same people not "screwed over" by option B?
It seems to me that (for this, as well as for similar projects) it would be convenient to build a "shadow source" development network - something that would resemble the mutant hybrid child of Freenet and Sourceforge. If the system includes anonymous relaying/distributed storage, combined with some means of trust verification (to keep saboteurs out of codebases), it would become essentially impossible for anyone to squelch a development effort (such as "Kazaa Lite" or "Freecraft".)
It was just a matter of time before Sharman decided to deal with KazaaLite. When your entire app is a plug-on to the real program, the main program can shake you off like a dog shakes off fleas. I'm not sure why everyone finds this so shocking as it was as predicable as the sunrise.
Current versions of Kazaalite probably won't be good in the near future.
Sharman will most likely change Kazaa to keep Kazaalite and other leeches (like giFT) off their network. Why go through all this copyright lawsuit effort if they aren't going to follow through? I'm just trying to read the writing on the wall.
Won't all the Kazaalite nodes form their own separate network?
Sorry. KazaaLite defaults the user to not being a supernode. No supernodes = no network.
If the author of KazaaLite had spent more time writing his own p2p app, instead of leeching, hacking and destroying other p2p apps, maybe he wouldn't be left holding his knob in the wind.
Instaed of listening to western crap (Britney & Co.) I get cheap CDs from India, and the music is much better!
So when I get a recommendation from my friends, I find the song. If I like it, I buy the album. If not, I delete the song. Others may not be as moral, but like most things in life, it's how you use something, not the item itself that really determines its value.
Right... And what if the artist doesn't want you to sample the song on Kazaa? You're amazing. You're more moral than I am because you only do it a little? Nonsense. Either copying without permission of the copyright holder is moral, or it's immoral. Personally I say it's moral. Actually, personally I say it's immoral to pay those bastards at the RIAA money when you could be donating it to charity or using it to make this world better. But hey, that's just me.
I've put all my free software (Linux ISO's, Open Office and other free stuff) on Kazaa because it's quicker than setting up a FTP server. And, it's easier for people to search.
It's too bad that more people don't utilize P2P in the same way.
Yes, I download music, too.
I think I think, therefore I think I am.
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It's more convenient to steal things without leaving my chair.
Any idea how hard it is to find Sultana in the US? There's one mail order company I have found that has one of her CDs despite her allegedly being one of the more popular Turkish rap acts.
And where do I send my money to buy a new copy of Bjork's "Telegram" (which I had on CD and lost and now have only the case it came in). That was a fan club release of which only a few hundred copies were ever distributed - so I guess I just never get to hear those songs again? How does that help the artist? How does Bjork (or her label) profit from my never being allowed again to listen to music from her that I once enjoyed?
Siouxsie and Budgie took the initiative long ago and setup their own online label and they have been able to profit from it ever since. I have no qualms about shelling out $20 for one of their CDs because I know where most of that money is going and I've enjoyed their music for nearly 30 years now. There's a lot of other artists I'd love to send money to - Neil Young, Kate Bush, Linda, Sultana, Bjork (whose albums I have purchased in the past but, sadly, I have had to forego in the last release because of my commitment to boycott the RIAA) and Moloko.
Is it my fault most of these artists either cannot put up personal web spaces because of record company contracts or they simply don't realize there may be profit in it for them?
Even if it was, it ain't anymore. The net has been the best thing in the history of recorded music for the dedicated music fan. It's too bad it's taking so long for the artists to catch up with that revolution... but they will. Just as soon as their old contracts run out.
While a band does get a large chunk of the price of their shirts and other merchandise, a lot of times the shady vendors simply never send them their check.
Actually, it's in his info at the top of his post:
by gnu-generation-one (717590) on Sunday December 07, @12:10PM (#7653838) (http://konspire.sourceforge.net/)
Treehugger? Treehugger... Treehugger!
http://www.emule-project.net
But if you really want Kazaa Lite there are still many places to get it from. Just do an advanced search on google groups for "kazaa lite download" from the last few months and you'll find plenty of working links. I doubt this is going to stop the project.
"I've found that the time it takes to get good (192kbps+) versions of songs off of a complete album is much longer and expensive than simply shelling out 10 bucks for the CD at a music store."
So you spent $15 for 2 good songs and supported an organization who'll claim you are a thief when you rip that CD to your iPod. Yeah you found a brilliant solution there.
"Derp de derp."
Ever since I started to listen to internet radio I never used a p2p network again, and I havent looked back. Go to www.shoutcast.com. They have all types of music, for free, at decent quality. You can use winamp to play streaming audio for windows, or xmms to play streams on linux. No more dicking around with dcc or kazaa networks. Oh yeah.. unlike normal radio there are no commercials either.
Selling software wont make you money, selling a service will.
If I could get a cd at my music store 40 minutes away for $10 I might consider. Try $22.
I've found that the time it takes to get good (192kbps+) versions of songs off of a complete album is much longer and expensive
Im not sure how downloading music from kazaa is expensive. Ok, so you have to buy a highspeed internet connection for what, 30/month (CDN), that's 3 of your cheap CD's, and last time i bough a CD it definitly wasnt 10 bucks, (18.00). 3 CD's bought, or, roughly 1 CD a day downloading, but, yah, i can definitly see how downloading music is expensive, especially off of Kazaa. Takes longer, that's debatable, if you have high speed, and Download off of more than 1 source, you should be getting fairly good speed. If by longer you mean the time it takes to find what songs are on the CD, then search for them, you are just lazy
This sig is definitive. Reality is frequently inaccurate.
Lately I've been just running the Linux CLI version of EDonkey2000. It's actually kind of fun using a terminal instead of a gui.it's at http://www.edonkey2000.com/downloads.php if you're interested.
http://mutella.sourceforge.net/ is another terminal client. It is more aesthetially pleasing than the Edonkey, but there seem to be less people there. I've generally had more success w/ Edonkey, but "your mileage may vary".
As was mentioned elsewhere in this page, gift (http://gift.sourceforge.net/) is another one, and it comes in CLI version as well as the gui. I haven't tried this one yet, but it looks like it uses its own network OpenFT, which could mean less people/files. Not sure if it also connect to other networks as well.
Convenience the right way is not necessary without shortfalls. Buy from what's available at 11PM or wait until later when what you really want is available. It's a choice.
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Yesterday as I drove to work I listened to a song on the radio broadcast city wide for anyone to listen to free of charge. When I came home I listened to the same song on my PC in MP3 format that I downloaded free of charge. What's the difference? I didn't pay for either one. And, chances are, I'm not going to invest in many of the radio station's advertised products. And also, since it's free on the radio, and really isn't that great, I don't feel like paying for it. So again, what's the difference?
---- "Excuse me. Where's the children's gun section?"
I understand. Personnally, I buy all my movies (over 40 DVDs and still buying) and make a point never downloading a movie, well, except when it's not available in my country (Ringu 0 and Ringu 2 for example). as for TV shows, Kazaa and Bittorent have enabled me to catch up with TV shows I didn't watch during their first season like Alias, The Sopranos and 24, which I now watch each week on TV, as opposed to downloading them each week, and thanks to them the broadcasters can now make money off me with their ads.
It's a bit of a quandry, actually. I *want* better quality songs than what I've been able to get off of p2p, but I feel *morally oblidged* not to buy from the big labels. I know, I should be listening to independent music then... unfortunately, there are a few *really* good bands who aren't independent.
Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. -- Walt Whitman
chong got busted for selling bongs explicitely for marijuanna use. he didnt pretend that it was for tobacco use only like most other bong sellers do.
tasty electronic music vittles
"Actually, it's in his info at the top of his post"
.sig, but not a .sig. And no, I have slashdot set to filter stuff to.
Yeah, thanks. I don't know what to call that text, as it's kind'a like a
Here's a link to the best distributed publishing system around.
It's a bit like a cross between bittorrent and freenet. The data bandwidth multiplies virus-like the more people are downloading something, so it's like bittorrent where the most popular files get the most people serving them. It's also bittorrent-like, in that it works well in the immediate aftermath of publishing something, and gradually slows down as time passes.
It's like freenet, in that anybody can publish anonymously*, though. Get connected, setup a channel, and broadcast the public keys. People can sign-up to your channel, and then they automatically download anything signed with your key.
* so long as a significant percentage of the nodes aren't controlled or monitored by an adversary, but still deniable because you can't prove that someone didn't receive the file from a node that you didn't know about
So it's also a bit like the million-channel television. You create a channel, as your TV show, your radio show, your blog, your news site, your picture site, and people listen in. If people like your stuff, they get the updates every time you transmit.
Nice system.
But shutting down the hacked Kazaa client doesn't mean that a totally different client can't be written to connect to even the updated FastTrack. Doesn't Shareaza already do this? I don't know... I don't touch that ad-driven crap.
It was a nice idea to remove all the crap from the standard Kazaa client. But now that it's shut down, maybe it's time to rewrite a client from the ground up, or maybe to add FastTrack compatibility to some already-awesome open-source client like DC++ or eMule.
What's Sherman gonna do? Cry that it's reverse-engineering, banned by the DMCA? Ha! What court will listen?
I fully agree that Wal-Mart, Best Buy and similar stores do not exactly have a great selection of music (outside of top 40 pop). Lets not even get started on their lack of listening stations or employees' lack of knowledge about music. The reason I say they have kept prices in check is because when they are selling CDs for about $12-$13, it makes it much harder for the mall music store to sell them for $20, even though some still do. So even if your musical tastes have evolved beyond the flavor of the month pop bands, you are still likely benefitting from lower prices in part caused by Wal-Mart and others.
There have been 300 million downloads of "Kazaa Media Desktop" through Download.com.
2.5 million last week. If the bootleg clients have drawn and held anything like those numbers, I would be very much surprised.
Through P2P searches, I came across an artist I didn't know before (Maria Dolores Pradera). Downloaded many songs, then decided I wanted to buy one or two CDs.
My reasons were:
1. Get the quality (whatever some teenager listening to the latest hit on $10 computer speakers tells you, even at 256kbs, MP3 is NOT "CD quality"; listen to it on a good stereo, and you will definitely hear the diference).
2. To give money to the artist instead of indirectly giving it to my ISP. (even if there is not much left for the artist after the rest of the industry has tken their part).
3. To avoid the hassle getting, checking, ID3ing, renaming, moving, whatevering the MP3.
Well, I went to a big store in Geneva, Switzerland (FNAC).
- The vendor had never heard of the artist
- Searching in his database, after quite a long time, he came up with 1 or 2 records
- He could have ordered them, but I would have to wait a week or 2 until he gets them
- Of course, since he didn't have anything, I couldn't listen to make my choice.
Well, I'm still listening to my MP3s. Maybe I'll get a record from Amazon next time I have to order something there...
Those smaller, less known bands are probably managing the distribution on their own. You should look harder online for contact info and then get in touch with the artist to learn what the outlets are. If the artist wants it music heard, then they probably distributing it some way. I bet they will mail you one; just ask!
You should buy the whole CD, because that is how the artist/label has chosen to package that track you want. The artist/label own it. You might be surprised to find that other tracks are good even though you haven't heard them.
How many times have you sent money directly to the artist? I would bet you have not yet gotten the first check out! Yet, you claim that you would do this if only you had that contact information you. Yeah, yeah, every reason you have is just an excuse.
For those artists signed to a label, big or small, had to accept the terms of doing so. They knew that the label would probably make more and most in many cases, money off that CD. Yet, they accepted the terms, because they understood that the label's distribution and marketing efforts would help them develop a much larger fanbase. By increasing the fanbase, an artist will begin to make more money from touring.
The bottom line is this. The only right you have when the terms are not what you would prefer is the right to say no.
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I'm 30 mins from Canada's border.
I wonder, for argument's sake, if I could buy the blank CD-R's there and bring them back over to the US.
Technically I paid the music piracy tax. If I was taken to court and I proved that I paid this tax, wouldn't I then be let off?
We have secretly replaced these Slashdot mods' sense of humor with a rusty nail. Let's see if they notice!!
wtf do you mean by time and money? If I already have a fast internet connection (with, in my case, free domestic downloads), it is enough for me to
1. fire up emule
2. go to search and write name of songs or almbum
3. double-click the song or album. Now I can go and go do some homework or meet my friends or s-g.
how does that take more time and money than it takes for you to walk over to the music shop and shell out your 10$?
Did you perhaps, back when you "cared", always watch the computer screen as the music got dl'ed? That's just stupid if you ask me.
PS. I just downloaded the white stripes new cd, and it SUCKED, big time. I had previously bought the first album and after hearing 2 songs from the new one, I thought I might check it out. I can't begin to describe my disgust over the rest. So I deleted all but the 2 songs I liked. How's that for saving time and money?
My other UID is 1337
hide you IP number . Very easy for them to bill you.
Use anonymous P2P.
When do you hear wide playing of so-called "B" sides? All you hear are what the companies consider the top 3-4 songs at most to promote the album. If that's all people hear, then that's all people want.
I see a lot of people reccomending the standard alternatives (overnet, bittorrent, etc.), but no-one has mentioned sharescan. While it's not really useful on a home connection, on residence dorms (where I live), sharescan is a gold mine. It's super-fast (all traffic is within your network) and in large universities the selection is almost as good as the largest P2P networks (as long as you don't like stuff that's too esoteric). Try it, you'll be amazed at the amount of content on there.
Reminds me of a comment left by my friend in a different P2P story.
Your hair look like poop, Bob! - Wanker.
The Riaa is on to Kazaa. Hell they probably have everyone's ip number from that P2p. Try these alternatives !!
Mod parent up
The rules can be changed dude! RIAA aren't gods. If people don't like the rules anymore than a process of changing the rules starts, and that's what happens now. I bet you never liked history.
diet kazaa is an interesting product.
it modifies the kazaa client at runtime, and therefore is not in dmca-trouble (the authors are rather careful about it).
it suppresses ads, paid search results, and kazaa spyware. it also allows more than the limited number of searches, automatic re-searching for files, and other nifty things.
the only problem with it, is that you need a full kazaa install, and therefore must install the kazaa spyware (which is then removed by dietk).
i would recommend it.
If you've got a Mac, Carracho is excellent.
Once you've got enough files, you can set up your own server & create rules about who uses & what you want.
[Whole albums only, see what I've got first, etc.]
Check every other day to see what the beautiful people on the Intarweb have given you.
I think Hotline can work in the same way...
Of course, it's even easier if you have a roommate to do all this for you. I highly recommend it!
giFT is good for a few reasons: 1. OpenFT is kind of in shambles now, but 90% of the time, if you find a file on OpenFT, you'll be able to download it at 100kB/sec. 2. giFT supports plugins for different networks, like gift-gnutella, gift-fasttrack, and the soon coming gift-opennap and gift-soulseek. 3. One of the lead devs on the gift-fasttrack plugin, Julian Ashton, has just cracked the Fasttrack 0xA9 encryption, so gift-fasttrack can connect to new (Kazaa 2.5) supernodes. It currently takes about 30 seconds to connect to Fasttrack with giFT. 4. It's open source (GPL I believe). 5. No malware of any sort (it's open source, after all). 6. gift-fasttrack supports malicious host blocking with a long list of hosts that aren't friendly for p2p sharing.
I mod down pyramid schemes in sigs.
Not only do you have to start the download first, you have no guarantee that you've got a) everyone, and b) the correct file (exception: edonkey)..
There are many php-based trackers that will gladly give a nice html formatted list of every single peer, including how much they have uploaded and downloaded since the their joining the swarm.
As for getting the correct file, I think that's fairly self explanitory.. networks without file hashes (ie, filename-based) suffer greatly from this problem.
DJ kRYPT's Free MP3s!
.. unless you configure your client to download only from seeds :)
There are always ways around these things, if you were so inclined.
DJ kRYPT's Free MP3s!
Well, i just came back from an Iron Maiden concert which was awsome! There are plenty of ways to support your favourite band/music and that is contributing by buying official merchandise, buy gig tickets,etc. I personaly spent nearly 100 on tshirts and tour programme and stuff, not including their new released album. On the other hand as much as like Metallica i'd never buy anything since they screwed their hard core fans and aimed to the money,though, i'd buy a ticket for a concert. My point is, if you download music from p2p/ftp/bittorrent/whatever, do it to sample/search for new artists/music styles and support them accordingly. that way you don't have the RIAA as a pimp for music,and you got both your artists and fans satisfied.
Roses are red, violets are blue, most poems rhyme, but this one doesn't...
I prefer soviet russian music, because it listens to me.
Ron Paul 2012
it doesn't matter if the artist doesn't want it. you have the RIGHT to be an informed consumer. this is just a way to get around stores that ILLEGALLY refuse returns on opened merchandise... except, it makes no sense, since most stores have a thing with headphones, etc, you can listen to in the store.
We've secretly replaced Slashdot with new Folgers Crystals - let's see if it notices.
it doesn't matter if the artist doesn't want it.
I agree. That's why I said I don't have a moral problem with copyright infringement.
you have the RIGHT to be an informed consumer.
Only as much as you have the RIGHT to copy music.
It has some interesting features like MD5 & Tiger Tree hash verification and user comment system. It connects to EDonkey as well as Gnutella 1 & 2 and also works as a Bit Torrent client.
I've been using it for about 6 months now and have only once recieved a file that was something other than what it was named (that was my fault for not reading the comments attached to the file by other users). One of the features I really like is that it works with the links provided by ED2KLinks.com and ShareReactor.com.
It is a resource hog, but if you've got a extra box you can run it on, it's worth it. I regularly see my total DL bandwidth rise above 1.5 Mb/s.
Sorry, no linux client though.
I've found that BitTorrent works the best in the dorm that I'm in - it takes longer for the downloads to start when compared to my DSL @ home, but once they do I routinely see 500-600 KB/s. Of course, if you're going to use bittorrent, make sure to check out www.suprnova.org, where you can find things like linux ISO's, and ..... stuff ;)
The problem is you are using the wrong tools. For music Soulseek is the only place to go. I can download 5 full 256 kbit albums in a single night with no problem. Also I am not stuck into mainstream acts like the White Stripes and The Strokes. I use the money I save not buying albums to really support the bands by going to there shows. I would much rather support the artist than give my money to the RIAA. If I really must have a cd copy ill buy that while im at the show. 100 percent of the money I spend on Music goes to the artist. Most of the artists I know support my method of contribution to their art.
I would like to salute the ashes of american flags, and all the fallen leaves filling up shopping bags.
I have KPP - and I have the setup file. As long as people mirror Kazaa Lite++ then we have nothing to worry about.
Uhh...no? That'd be the equivalent of going to another country when it's time to pay your taxes, pay them at cheaper rates to this other country, and then come back with proof you've payed your taxes to another country expecting to not have to pay taxes for your country of residence...
IANAL, of course...
do you have any obscure Sisters of Mercy tracks? contact me at slashdot@gur[NOSPAM]ney.co[NOSPAM]tse.net if you're feeling generous :-D
Doctors should treat patients because it is helpful and it brings wellness to peoples lives, not for money. Doctors should have real jobs to make money, or make there money entirely from practices. The fact doctors want many for there treatment is a form of prostitution, not of women, but of medical science. I don't charge people when I make them laugh or they have a good time this me. My reward, being more valuable then money, is the knowledge that I elevated this this persons level wellness.
I've found that when I buy CD's a very small portion of the money goes to the artist. Since my primary objective in buying a CD would be to support that artist, it doesn't make sense for me to purchase a CD.
When you add to that the fact that the RIAA is a very political entity; a political entity which has been instrumental in bringing about legislation which I vehemently oppose, it makes it quite clear that I cannot buy CD's from bands represented by an RIAA label.
The RIAA has gotten into politics. They've gotten into my life. This is the result. It's not about how easy it is to get an mp3 for me anymore. It's a matter of principle. And on that principle I will happily sacrifice quality and time to avoid funding and supporting a political entity which I do not agree with.
Most of the bands I listen to support taping of their live shows 100%. The rest of them are either dead or rich beyond belief and really won't feel any pain if I don't buy my copy of Forty Licks.
Unless your civil liberties and freedom mean nothing, you should not buy the factory CDs.
Show the artists that you enjoy what they do by buying some merchandise from them at a show or off their website, and then sending them a letter or email explaining that you are a fan, and that you can't buy their CD for political reasons, but that you bought some of their stuff at a concert or off their site to show your support.
You dont have any such right to be an informed consumer, any more than its illegal for stores to refuse opened merchandise. First of all, your consumer rights (which are carefuly listed in law, at least here in America) are simply to not be deceived, i.e. you're protected from intentional deceit. However, you have no right to demand information (except for safety issues) from the companies that make these products.
As for return policies, there isn't a single law or court case that I've ever heard of that indicates that you have any "right" right return merchandise that isn't faulty. If you buy a book, they dont have to let you return it after you read the whole thing because you didn't like the story. Its the same thing with CDs, especially since you can browse music in the store these days.
"Stumble before you crawl"
FYI:
? NoticeID=861
If you search for "Kazaa Lite K++" in google, some of the results are omitted along with a message from google...
In response to a complaint we received under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we have removed 4 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read the DMCA complaint for these removed results.
Links to http://www.google.co.uk/dmca.html and http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/notice.cgi
An amusing little twist of the OP's words, but you fall into the same trap as all the other intellectual "property" toadies by comparing a good or service not easily reproduced with bits. If physcians' care could be copied like music or movies or slashdot trolls, it wouldn't be worth anything, either.
CEE5210S The signal SIGHUP was received.
Who says Macs don't have good P2P? Poisoned is an excellent giFT front end for OS X. Open source and everything. Supports OpenFT, Fasttrack, Gnutella, with OpenNapster and eDonkey on the way.
My God, as a FreeBSD user I think I'd have a heart attack if all these companies started putting their online music into Windows Media format and DRM to boot. I think I speak for most if not all of the Linux and BSD users out there too. Anyway, think about it -- you're getting a "CD" that is compressed in a lossy format by about 13 times over. That is not worth 10 bucks. If you take quality into account, a $15 CD in that format is worth only $1.15.
If anyone can start mirroring it, or even hacking it to keep it up to date as though the project never quit, this official "shutdown" won't even matter.
"Sufferin' succotash."
So they have shut down the SITE used to distribute new k-lite builds. Now if only the authors could find some new way to distribute programs. Prefferably something decentralised and difficult to stop... hmmm... I know, how about the fasttrack network? ;)
...when we'll see the first network (that I'd know of anyway) that'll use "friends" that'll route the content. Basicly, you send out requests looking for a friend of a friends of a friend that has what you seek, and it'll get routed through them.
Yes, it would slow the network speed to about 1/nth, where n is the average number of people you have to route through. However, n needn't be very large in practice. As has been shown with the socalled "small world" network theory, each person needs few outside links to make n small. And online, that is easier than ever.
Basicly, I'd think it would be most useful if each node kept a small search database (e.g. the share lists of all their direct friends), and if not found, pass the request on. Would make for a bit more transfers, but a (zipped) metadata file is trivially small compared to an mp3 or divx rip. Think it'd be more efficient than searching local node only. It would also give you a good list of files you could browse where transfers should be fast (direct P2P), which is always nice.
The advantages would be great: No central point of attack. No way to "scan" the network. Your identity is only revealed to your friends, who already know you. Because I know many people do not appriciate opening up their files to the entire Internet. However, they'd have no problem sharing with friends and family.
Also, your bandwidth goes to someone "close" to you. (Priority should probably be given to closer friends, both because of less links involved (more efficient) and because they're friends per se).
I think that'd be a welcome addition to the current crop of P2P nets, not to replace the current P2P nets but rather to replace the direct IRC/ICQ/MSN/FTP/whatever transfers. I definately think there's a market here for all those that have been scared off more traditional P2P nets.
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
Maybe they're loosing money at their lawyer, but that's about it...
Well, you obviously don't live where I do. Here you have to sell your first born to afford a Britney single.
That was disproven long ago. Sophia Stewart has no leg to stand on. The only "evidence" offered was hilarious things like the fact that "Neo" was an anagram for "One"--everybody already knew that--and a photocopy of a printout from IMDB showing that Carrie-Ann Moss once worked on a show coincidentally known as "Matrix," which proves absolutely nothing (and was also something everybody already knew...Carrie used to mention it in interviews laughingly).
"Sufferin' succotash."
Bittorrent no longer works for many colleges either. Y'know, like IRC, Soulseek, etc...
If my college provided me with some sort of opportunity to use an outside network, I would, but because they don't I'm stuck with their hobbled network that blocks internet gaming traffic half the time when the multiplicity of filters get overzealous.
Unless your time is worth nothing, you should just buy the factory CDs anyway. Plus, you can show the artists you like (White Stripes, Strokes, Outkast) that you enjoy what they do.
;-)
I dont think many people sit and watch the bar go by, im sure they do drugs and touch themself instead.
Now for showing the artists that you enjoy what they do, most of the money goes to the stores and the record companies
now my personal problem with p2p is that I end up downloading porn, and eating up all my banwith while waiting for what I really want.
wud
In the longer term, people have generally gone for "singles" anyway (except maybe for things like opera). I'd guess that albums are a fairly recent phenomenon driven by the capacity of physical media (that we don't need anymore).
Xix.
"Everything is adjustable, provided you have the right tools"
I've used DietK before I used Kazaa Lite, and it is very awesome. It achieves the same effect as Kazaa Lite, but instead goes on top of regular Kazaa. Give it a spin!
I do however, still recommend GiFT and Apollon for P2P, it's simply the best.
I thought I made it pretty clear that that's exactly not what I do.
"I think Sharman will be in for a surprise once the find out that 75% of its 'users' were on the bootleged client."
They are aware of the high adoption rate of unauthorized versions of their client, which is exactly why they did this. Sharman is a for-profit business and relies on advertising revenues to survive. They're not getting ad revenue from the ad-free clients. Without ad revenue, they are history.
"It's pretty obvious, those users aren't coming back either."
It's a numbers game. They don't need them all back, but any percentage which do go back to the authorized client means more ad money in their pocket. Even if that's 1% or 5%.
Sharman has everything to gain and very little to lose by fighting the use of ad-free clients.
Sitting in my day care, the art is decopainted.
"Nice idea, but somehow everyone stops on the first half."
Well put. I've also noticed that virtually everybody on Slashdot seems to be that exception... they would never pirate music simply to avoid paying for it.
If only that were the reality. Artists and record companies would be making money on an unprecedented level, and there would simply be no reason at all to sue music pirates.
Sitting in my day care, the art is decopainted.
Don't forget MLdonkey, a single client which supports eDonkey, OverNet, OpenFT, SoulSeek, BitTorrent, and a couple of others I can't remember.
Karma: It's all a bunch of tree-huggin' hippy crap!
If you are privilaged enough to use a mac you can download Poisoned and search the FastTrack(Kazaa), giftd, OpenFT and Gnutella network all at the same time! No adware here either!
So radio is screwing someone over? Sorry, your either-or fallacy does not work. There are legit ways to listen to the music with out paying, you just don't get the convience of being able to choose which song when.
The views expressed are mine own and do not express the views of my employer.
Way to go Sharman! You have now hurt your branding appeal.
Well, at least I can still use it :D It doesn't really shut it down does it? People can just add the installation to their sites for others to download, can't they?
Kamran A
The only way I can get the music business model to adapt to technology is to throw out the recording part and only bother with live music:
As an artist, I could give concerts for a price, and then let everyone have free legal reign over recording the concert and distributing the recordings (for free, of course, because a recording has no value anymore).
If someone wants to pay me more money to record me in a studio setting, that's fine as long as I get paid. They can do what they want with the whiz-bang recording, but they certainly won't get any return on their investment distributing the recording since it has no value.
So my only incentive to make my own recordings is to spur interest in my music enough for people to want to see me live.
So who loses here? Professional recording engineers and record companies. People whose music is not interesting or not performable live (e.g., some electronic music) And me, since most people don't have the time to give a rat's ass about live music.
I just saw Maiden's most recent tour over the summer - definitely awesome stuff. Bruce Dickinson (not Perens :-) ) said that if the new recording sucks you can feel free to send it all over the Internet.
Personally, I really, really want their new recording, but I've given up supporting the RIAA. Is there any way to get the recording without cheating Maiden and without supporting the RIAA?
90% of everything is crap. Also, crap is relative.
Check out Apollon (apollon.sf.net) for a nice linux front end for gift. I like it much better than the kazaalite client and it can use the gift plugins to connect to the kazaa network as well as others.
Download Kazaa Lite 2.4.3 from:
Kazaa Lite 2.4.3
I remember when I used to dabble in warez for the Mac, lots of sites would host patches so that people could take the version that they have and make it work like the warez version.
Would that be legal in this case?
If the K++ people didn't actually host the copyrighted material of the other company, could they be open to criminal or civil prosecution?
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
Since you're bridging the same network adapter or sitting behind the same router (physical or virtual), they've still got your IP Address and MAC address.
The time spent in recording studios is waste of money. How does it benifit society? I do not think creating music is free. There is a cost, but the payment should be found in the joy of producing it and knowledge that you are bring entertainment to the world. It should be a weekend hobby instead of a pay for job.
Well, as a weekend musician, I've gotta say that I agree and disagree. Personally, I have no interest in getting money for anything I produce (musical, graphical, or otherwise). It is indeed for the sheer pleasure of making. However, the tradeoff for this is that I have to work 10 hours a day doing something else in order to feed myself, which means I don't have as much time (and energy, by the end of the day) to hone things out. It would be awesome if I could just work on various forms of art all day, but to do that one needs to be supported, either by the death of a rich relative or the art itself. Money is not the carrot that draws this particular donkey, but it's still a nice dream. And if it should happen someday, that my love can also be my job, I'm gonna milk it for all I can. Why not?
Well, in Canada, the wording of our CD-R tax is that it is for the compensation of the authors for the copying of there music while removing the distribution medium, or something to that effect after translated from leagalees. Which according to some lawyers means that it's completely legal to download music in canada, as long as you burn it to a CD that you paid the tax on; IE the $15 is the cost of the distribution, and the $.30 is the ammount of compensation when that is removed
-Millions of Monkeys, Millions of typewriters, 6 hours of sorting through faeces encrusted pages to find: This post
well, it happened to you once, so it must happen the way you describe every time.
I'm downloading it now!
i dont think kurt much cares if i download his music. all dead peoples music should be public domain. unless that made for insane fans who killed people to pirate their music but i cant really control that.
whats a dead guy going to do with my money? oh his children/heirs are intitled to it? yeah thats what we need, more paris hiltons.
" Im too upset to party! "
I'll just use my special getting high powers one more time...
Just to let ya know, "there" is used in this sense:
"Over there is a 2 dollar bill"
The word you are looking for is "their"
"Doctors should be paid for their treatment."
-twb
musicians are supposed to be poor.
they are artists and are ment to be struggling to pay the rent.
Music is not about money. music is about telling people about the things you have to say.
so we should all steal music and make those musical artists poor again. they should be playing in their local pub, not on an international stage.
...and that is all I have to say about that.
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Just to inform those who may not know, eDonkey is probably the most flagrant abuser of network resources to ever exist. It frequently uses upwards of 250 concurrent connections and while you may have a lot of pipe left your web browsing will slow to a meander.
So? I'm failing to see why this should be an issue. Unless you don't ever access the internet expect through a trusted third party proxy. I mean, your IP address is supposed to be relatively public to begin with, isn't it?
-BrentI don't think this model will work for the music industry however!
Finding out if music is good before paying for it is as outrageous as telling your friends about a bad movie, therefore depriving the MPAA of their hard-earned money
oh wait...
...I've graduated now, but the internal hubs (IP restricted) of our Uni were the best. At least 10Mbit in the wall, up to 10Gbit interconnects. And the best part? As far as I know, the networks admins wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole unless they were forced to. They knew, that if they shut down the internal net, everybody and their mother would go on outside nets, clogging the Internet connection.
1,5Tb of data to the internal network, well that's 1,5Tb of traffic that didn't happen on the Internet connection. Ok sure both are probably "misuse of network resources" but it's still the lesser evil. And I think most realistic sysadmins understand that.
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
No. His actions are moral because he pays for what he uses. The artists, record companies, retail outlets and all the others involved in the process make the profit that they are not only legitimately entitled to but would not otherwise have made; I can't see him paying for an album without any idea what is on it.
"Cursed is he who rises early in the morning..." Isiah 5:11
Why is this a troll, and its parent isn't? This guy's joke is funnier.
Ironically they've probably done more to kill off P2P for the informed user than the RIAA have ever managed.
When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
You're listings to the adverts that paid for it though.
Or you're happier at the dentist, because you're listing to the music that THEY're paying for, you pay the dentist, everyone happy.
Wow, some people are ignorant. Doctors have to spend the first 12 years of their life, particularly the senior high ones working their fingers to the bone to achieve high enough results to get into the tertiary institute of their choice. They then have to spend the next 3 years working their fingers to the bone of theory, the next 4 in practice and field training, the next year in finalisation and then blame!, they are doctors. (not including any refresher courses and various types of experience they need to gain) That's roughly the first 20 years of their life studying and working so they are qualified.
They then have to, everyday, operate/practise on/diagnose people for another 50 or so years, and that's includes prescriptions and treatment. And you are saying they should be paid a "nominal fee". And then get "real" jobs on the side to supplement their income, meaning more years of study and toil.
Your complete ignorance and amazing attitude of they should help people for almost nothing defies imagination. You are saying that the relative few who have the intelligence, motivation and resources to help others, spend a good quater of their life studying, the next 60 making decisions daily that decide wether a person lives or dies, and constantly cop flak from pathetic ingrates like you is frivolous and they should get no reward?! Maybe they should all become engineers and make millions, while at the same time let everyone else die, suffer and live a miserable existence?
Quite frankly, you and everyone else who shares your opinion should go to Africa and see what it is like where there are no doctors. Or you should be shot. Either way, wake up and smell the proverbial rose's morons.
Fittingly, he does not believe teachers should be paid for there (sic) work either.
if it's not illegal to refuse such returns, then why do software places/companies give you the runaround (M$ claims it's the store's responsibility, store claims only M$ can do the refund, etc) instead of simply flat-out saying "no returns"? i guess my perception was distorted by their lack of honesty.
We've secretly replaced Slashdot with new Folgers Crystals - let's see if it notices.
:: http://www.magnatune.com ::
Check out this site if you want to see where the future of recorded music distribution is headed. You can listen to whole albums in MP3 for free. If you decide to buy one, you can download the WAV files (losslessly compressed with FLAC) and burn your own CD. You choose what to pay for the download ($5-$18 USD), and the artist gets exactly 50%. They are even starting to offer high-resolution digital (so you could burn a DVD-A disc at home). This is the kind of artist-centric system that will eventually sink the Warners, Universals, and Sonys of the world (are there only three now??).
from Magnatune.com:
"We're a record label. But we're not evil.
We call it "try before you buy." It's the shareware model applied to music.
Listen to hundreds of MP3'd albums from our artists. Or try our genre-based radio stations.
If you like what you hear, buy our music online for as little as $5 an album or license our music for commercial use.
Artists get a full 50% of the purchase price. And unlike most record labels, our artists keep the rights to their music.
Founded by musicians, for musicians.
No major label connections.
We are not evil."
And where do I send my money to buy a new copy of Bjork's "Telegram" (which I had on CD and lost and now have only the case it came in). That was a fan club release of which only a few hundred copies were ever distributed - so I guess I just never get to hear those songs again?
Methinks you are mistaken.
Would you have heard of Bjork were it not for her label and distributors? Quick--name five great P2P-only artists!
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His actions are moral because he pays for what he uses.
No. He only pays for what he uses and then decides he likes enough to purchase.
The artists, record companies, retail outlets and all the others involved in the process make the profit that they are not only legitimately entitled to but would not otherwise have made; I can't see him paying for an album without any idea what is on it.
Likewise myself and other people wouldn't pay for any RIAA album regardless of what is on it. So the artists, record companies, retail outlets, and all the others involved in the process make the profit that they are not only legitimately entitled to but would not otherwise have made.
And don't tell me I'm full of it. I haven't bought a CD from an RIAA-affiliated artist in 7 years, and I haven't used a P2P filesharing network in 2 years.
Finally, there is absolutely no moral requirement that one pay for what he uses. You've read my comments here on slashdot. You've found them interesting enough to respond to. But I don't see you sending me money, and I don't see anyone saying that you have a moral obligation to do so.
this is why sometimes I still miss theold BBS's. You didn't have to worry about being spyed on because the only person watching was the SYSOP, and they didn't care as long as you didn't try to Hack/Crack it. Dail in, DL what you want, UL something good, logoff. Yea you couldn't get 1.5MB/s DL's but then again, the fiels weren't that big then either. A 56k modem still works great, if you can find any still up. a couple of years ago there were still a few around and they were great. GOD I miss BBS's
Life is pain. Anyone who says differently is selling something.
Some local artists are releasing their CD's which are really CD-R's.
But the price is the same regular expensive one.
I wonder how right it is to label it a CD when it's a CD-R?
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> I dont understand why things should go into public domain after xyz years,
> can someone explain this to me?
I could try but this "Public Knowledge" page does a better job.
There is no inherent "right to profit". Copyright is granted by society as an incentive for creating things that enrich society, not the creator.
> If a person creates something, with their mind, their hands, their ideas.
> And people still want to used their creation 20, 30, 100 years later why
> should they suddenly be out of the loop simply because it was created xyz
> years ago?
Not "out of the loop", just "on a level playing field".
Imagine a world where only one company can produce bicycles.
> If people still want their creation they should pay for it, not get it for
> free because it is old.
Think about it when you take your children to see Disney's "Cinderella", "Sleeping beauty", "Beauty and the beast", "Bambi", "Aladdin", "Snow white", "Robin hood" or some of the other multitude of their movies based on classic stories.
The only reason that they were able to create those films (and reap huge profits from them) was because the original stories were in the public domain.
> And 5 year copyright? That is an amazingly stupid idea.
Not any more stupid than min(120, life+95).
I also support Shareaza. It's free, doesn't seem to have any advertising or spyware, and it's a pretty smart application.
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So, please explain to us all how me shelling out even six bucks for a USED CD that's not even in release anymore generates income for Bjork? It's not as if she's signing them and shipping them out herself. So far as "five great p2p only artists" that's easy. I already named a few... let's do it again.
Linda (Rusia)
Creatures (GB/France) Sultana (Turkey)
Hi-Fi (Russia)
Control Machete (Mex)
Banco Da Gaia (GB)
Native Tongue (US?)
I can name more if you like. Many of these are actually ON labels in their native countries but are unavailable - or very nearly so - internationally. Others you may find in a store but first existed online outside "the machine" before being picked up for meatspace distribution. A couple absolutely are NOT available anywhere except at one of their shows or via downloads or purchase from the web. And ALL of them came to my attention via usenet - from shopping "point and click" at easynews and discovering I liked what I heard.
Don't forget that high quality downloads from MANY of these artists are available via their own websites. Not ALL artists see music downloads as a threat to their ability to earn income from performing.
BTW Moloko can be had via their website as well - apparently this has also changed since last ( ~2mo ago) I looked. $20 or so will get you a CD signed by Roison, which seems like a fair enough deal. Now if Neil Young would setup a tip jar it would all be great...
Okay, I can see your point about the time spent on P2P networks. How would you handle the fact that many CD's are "broken" so they don't play on computer CD drives?
In their effort to stop people from ripping CD's the record companies have made it impossible to play legal copies of some songs on a computer.
I listen to 90% of my music on a computer CD player while working. What recourse do I have now??
well why not just call it what it is; a tax subsidy.
:D
given some of the new trade rules coming down from the ivory tower of the WTO regarding subsidies, there is a chance that this may be illegal.
For those of you that want it: ftp://tunnie.kicks-ass.net/kazaalite.exe
I always mp3 them to play on my computer.
<grammar nazi> Ok... since when did MP3 become a verb?!? </grammar nazi>
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Besides the fact that I've never experienced any "run around" when trying to return defective merchandise, and never been stupid enough to purchase anything without having used it or read reviews of it, I have no validation that what you're talking about even happens. Frankly, I'd attribute it - if it occurs - to poorly trained employees.
"Stumble before you crawl"
I own a lot of vinyl. Probably around 500 lp records. I'd like to have them in digital format for ease of use. When I'm on a road trip I like to play CDs full of mp3s, so I don't have to change disks. So far I'm too lazy to hook up my turntable (and a pretty good one at that) to my computer. I probably will someday but I digress.
One of the reasons I want to do p2p stuff is to download songs that I already legally own in another format. 128kbps is OK for me. I've found some stuff, but not as much as I was expecting. (I'd like to download a lot of stuff from the old Wax Trax! catalog.)
I was also hoping to find more rare music that is impossible to buy for love or money. Unfortunately I've found that it is much easier to download top 40 crap than rare stuff.
I need to try other networks besides the Fast Track network. Anyone have advice on which networks are better for unpopular music?
(Is there a problem with your caps lock key? I noticed that the last 10 of your subject lines are in all caps.)
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But, you know something? It's all give and take. If I'm not willing to pay for an album, I'm willing to settle for poor quality. If I really wanted the quality to matter, it's worth a purchase.
"Shared pain is lessened; shared joy is increased. Thus we refute entropy" - Spider Robinson
Oh, but if you read my post closely, you would see that I would RATHER... never said I have. Well, I have but because I knew or met the band - so that really doesn't count for these . But if there was a way to contact Linkin Park and get the money to them somehow without it being pocketed by some temp worker hired to sort their mail, then I would. My problem is not with buying the CD... My problem lies in funding the greed and ego-centric selfishness of organizations like the RIAA. I don't buy this bullshit they give where you have to support the artist because an artist's income is less than 10% from their CD sales. I use my insignificand and mute voice to challenge them to do as they say... But nobody seems to realize that - you are all too busy leeching the free music because you don't want to pay and use the RIAA as the excuse. I do pay - when I can... but I don't pay WHO I can... I could buy every CD with every song I have tomorrow if I HAD to, but it would take the same act of God to get me to do that as it would to make the RIAA die and realize what retarded selfish assholes they are. And yes, when a company makes it a good offer for all sides (EG Universal lowering the prices of their CD's while raising the percentage given to the artist - I bought the 8 alblums they publish that I like.
Erutangis ym si siht.
What, you've never heard the saying "Any noun can be verbed"? :-) We might as well not ski or email either, nor should we mind.
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I installed Overnet and it appears to have installed a lot of Spyware and Adware type crap, despite explicitly claiming not to. What's up with that?
Just as if all doctors stopped working the world be a much worse place, if all musicians stopped working the world would become less desirable (at least quite boring). If all firefighters stopped working, the world become less desirable. Who decides that doctors make more money than firefighters? Is it training? (No, since musicians require at least as much training) Is it the fact that they save lives? (No, because firefighters also save lives) A lot to ponder....
Notice I didn't comment on any of your rude banter. You seem to be smart enough to figure out what I am not going to say.
Argh! "Verbing" a noun that is an abbreviation (IT ISN'T EVEN AN ACRONYM) which includes a number might be a little tasteless.
Woe to he who would learn English.
OK OK OK I don't wanna "Frenchfry" the language either, where creating words is punishable by law. Please understand the sarcasm in which the post was written.
This is English, where anyone can make up a word... even those who don't speak English -Walkman anyone? But I refuse to spell words with numbers! In place of letters like the l337 h4x0rs maybe, but as letters; NO!
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