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Detailed Reviews of Mac OS X "Tiger" Preview
An anonymous reader writes "AppleInsider has been publishing some very detailed articles on Apple's new Mac OS X 10.4 'Tiger' operating system, which include numerous screenshots of the system. So far the publication has discussed overall installation and Spotlight search technology, Safari with RSS, a new Mail revision with
Smart Mailbox technology, and a websearch enabled Mac OS X Help application."
Hey: Here's a free Gmail invite to whoever wants it. All my friends already have an account, take this one if you want it :-)
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FP you stupid fucking niggers. Oh yea..
I think so.
I mean you're going ON and ON and ON and ON about an Apple OS that won't ship for 6 months, if we're lucky!
I was wondering if my fellow lefties can help me out here. As you are aware, there is currently a huge humanitarian crisis in Sudan. Some would even call it genocide. I have no problem with that. But what I can't seem to figure out is how the United States is to blame, as we usually are at fault.
Please advise. Thx.
Lions and tigers and bears... oh my... Sad apple, you should name things like Tiger(Me) and Panther(XP)
Where are the screenshots??
It seems like most of these features were explained at Jobs' keynote address at WWDC. The automatic knowledgebase search in Help was new tho. Can't wait until I get my hands on my developer copy.
User: I am having troub
Help: REBUILD THE DESKTOP!
So now they have a broweser thats guaranteed to give you repetitive stress syndrome? How is THAT a good thing?
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
I can't wait until I can afford a Mac.
Avontech | Play dirty! They started it!
YOU FAIL IT like Mary-Kate Olsen fails a drug test!
Why would you pay premium for a closed source operating system and handicapped hardware (one button mouse)?
Well, no matter how smart my mailbox is, my mail is still stupid.
I'm tired of people trying to convince me that my breasts need to be larger, when clearly that would only make my penis look smaller.
Did anybody use Turnpike email client which used to be bundled with Demon internet in the UK. It was basically a email/news client which used 'filtered searches' exclusively for sorting and displaying mail using a system of metadata tags.
It was a good email program. Thunderbird is too slow for me atm.
OS X 10.5 will be shipping in 6 months.
Get it right!!!
They are running out of cats for the name. Next will be Lion? (Wild guess) They should do "OS X Panthero edition".
He's gonna shove it up your tight lily white ass.
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Do we know when the complete version is expected to hit the shelves?
SmartFolders? Why do companies have to reinvent nomeclature so often? Couldn't they have stuck to vFolders for virtual folders, which is much more descriptive anyway?
Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA
DA, DBA, SysAdmin, Data Modeller
GNU Project, Debian GNU/Lin
It looks like Apple caught on quickly to the Gmail label paradigm shift away from folders and has put "smart folders" into Mail 2.0 for 10.4.
IMHO labels and smart folders are long overdue for mail. They've been usefull in iTunes for months and just make good sense data that does not belong in only one bin.
Here is apple's own "Preview". It contains tons of screenshots and a webcast from WWDC.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/
- what is the definition of simultanagnosia?! I've been meaning to look it up!
Just one of those pot-kettle-black things, I guess: ...websearch enabled Mac OS X Help application.
You mean like Office2003? And even OfficeXP, I think.
I'm just sayin'...
-bZj
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From the appleinsider link:
Interestingly, sources noted that while the Tiger Finder interface contains no noticeable changes from Panther, Spotlight uses its own sleek window interface design, which is only accessible from windows that are spawned from Spotlight searches. The interface features windows with a smooth, grey-colored titlebar, with sharp webpage-like table results on one side, and an html-style control bar on the other. Details of these new webpage-like Mac OS X windows were first report by sources in an earlier report, though sources described them as Mac OS Finder windows.
If you look at the screen shots you will notice weirdly blue colored bars, but just in that one application. Honestly I thought Macs were supposed to have a consistent UI. If I wanted a mish mash of colors and widgets I would just get a Windows PC.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
...and it's not that spectacular. The search service is cool, but nothing else is all that different. It's really disappointing actually.
That would suk if its only available on DVD. I have been running Panther for a few months and am quite happy with it, but I would like the opiton of upgrading to Tiger. I would have to buy an external drive since I only have a CD-RW on my Flatscreen iMac. Same for everyone else (except the director who has a DVD drive he never uses) in my all Apple office.
These summaries and screenshots have been around for weeks. Why is Slashdot putting them on the front page now?
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Articles on Apple sure bring out the Trolls don't they? There's nothing worth modding up at all in here! It's all -1 Troll, -1 Flamebait, -1 Asshat...
Finally, a correct use of the word 'literally':
Apple's new "Spotlight" search technology is by far Tiger's most dominant feature, and it can be accessed from almost every corner of the system, literally.
A blue-colored Spotlight search button appears in the upper-right-hand corner of the Mac OS menubar, and remains accessible at that point from any Mac OS X application. Selecting the Spotlight icon reveals a search field that will expand to display results in real-time.
It works under the 'everything is a database' premise for email, with 'smart filters', multiple views, multiple email integration, everything controlled via CSS and much, much more.
It's free as in beer, too.
RinkRat
Is Tiger usable as a daily OS, currently?
No, Safari 2.0 currently does not work with HTTPS sites. Many common apps, including FireFox crash upon execution. Additionally, there seem to be some pretty serious filesystem bugs which can trash your entire hard disk (not just your Tiger partition).
Do I need a DVD drive? My pirated copy of the Tiger DVD crashes upon boot up.
No, you don't need a DVD drive. Visit the following URL for good installation steps:
Install steps
He also has a Tiger FAQ here:
Tiger FAQ
I don't want to start a holy war here, but I need to vent guys and here I hope I find sympathy! I HATE MAC'S
Today I spent the good part of five hours helping a friend at his freelance gig with a titanum powerbook running OS X Tiger beta while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 5 hours. The amazing thing is at home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this MAC, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. Now, I got the job to fix this as I'm the "Computer Guy" and can generally help friends and family with there computer problems. I have never seen such a tragedy as the titanum powerbook!
In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this TiBook at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.
Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
I don't, I really don't, see how Apple can claim to be tops in design. Even my A600 was a dream to work on compared to this and it was pretty compact too!. Anyway Ive talked my friend into getting rid of his mac addiction, he will definately be buying a Dell next!
In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 300 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.
Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
Look! My God, it's huge! ...it's because we were thinking of training as taxidermists and we want to get the feel of it from the animal's point of view. ...and I expect we'll have to take all of the blame.
[growl]
[bang bang bang...]
[rewwr]
REAR END: Uhh. Uh, don't shoot. Don't shoot. We're not a tiger. W-- Uhh, we were jus-- s-- st, um,--
AINSWORTH: Why are you dressed as a tiger?
REAR END: Hm? Oh, 'why'! 'Why'! 'Why'! Haahh, isn't it a lovely day today?
AINSWORTH: Answer the question.
REAR END: Oh, we were just, um,--
FRONT END: Well, uhh, actually, we're-- we're dressed like this because, uh,-- Oh. No, that's not it.
REAR END: Uh, we did it for a lark. Part of a spree. High spirits, you know. Simple as that. Hm.
FRONT END: Nothing more to it. Hah.
REAR END: Ha ha.
FRONT END: Well, actually, we're on a mission for British Intelligence. Th-- th-- there's a pro-Tsarist Ashanti Chief, uh,--
REAR END: No, no. No. No, no.
FRONT END: Uh, no. No, no, no. No. No. No.
REAR END: No. No, no, no, no. No. No, we're doing it for an advertisement.
FRONT END: Ah, that's it.
REAR END: Mhm.
FRONT END: Uhh, forget about the Russians.
REAR END: Mhm.
FRONT END: Uh, we're-- we're doing an advert for 'Tiger' brand coffee.
REAR END: 'Tiger' brand coffee is a real treat. Even tigers prefer a cup of it to real meat. Mm.
AINSWORTH: Now look.
REAR END: All right. All right. We are dressed as a tiger because he had an auntie who did it in eighteen-thirty-nine, and this is the fiftieth anniversary.
FRONT END: No. We're doing it for a bet.
REAR END: God told us to do it.
FRONT END: To tell the truth, we are completely mad.
REAR END: [grimacing]
FRONT END: We are-- we are inmates of a Bengali psychiatric institution and we escaped by making this skin out of old, used cereal packets.
REAR END: Mhm.
PERKINS: It doesn't matter!
AINSWORTH: What?
PERKINS: It doesn't matter why they're dressed as a tiger. Have they got my leg?
AINSWORTH: Good thinking! Well, have you?
REAR END: Actually,...
AINSWORTH: Yes?
REAR END:
AINSWORTH: Be quiet. Now look. We're just asking you if you've got this man's leg.
FRONT END: A wooden leg?
AINSWORTH: No, no. A proper leg! Look. He was fast asleep, and someone or something came in and removed it.
FRONT END: Without waking him up?
AINSWORTH: Yes.
FRONT END: I don't believe you.
REAR END: We found the tiger skin in a bicycle shop in Cairo. The owner wanted it taken down to Dar Es Salaam--
AINSWORTH: Shut up! Now look. Have you or have you not got his leg?
REAR END: Yes.
FRONT END: No.
REAR END: No.
FRONT END: No, no, no.
REAR END: No. No, no, no.
FRONT END: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
REAR END: No, no, no. No. No. No. No.
AINSWORTH: Why did you say 'yes'?
FRONT END: I didn't.
AINSWORTH: I'm not talking to you.
REAR END: Uum. Uum. Hmmhh.
AINSWORTH: Right! Search the thicket.
FRONT END: Oh, come on. I mean, do we look like the sort of chaps who'd creep into a camp at night, steal into someone's tent, anaesthetise them, tissue-type them, amputate a leg, and run away with it?
AINSWORTH: Search the thicket.
FRONT END: Oh, 'leg'! You're looking for a leg! Actually, I think there is one in there somewhere. Uhh, somebody must have abandoned it here, knowing you were coming after it, and we stumbled across it, actually, and wondered what it was, and they'll be miles away by now,... [thock]
Do you need Panther to use the Tiger upgrade or will any version of OS X work? Are the hardware requirements, both minimal and recommended, the same as Panther?
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity but they've always worked for me" - HST
Why don't you shitheads have any sense of aesthetics?
I've been using "VFolders" in evolution for at least two years or so now. I wouldn't be surprised if outlook has had such a feature for a long time. Although Google is responsible for inventing a whole slew of tech, smart folders is not one of them.
So go suck Bill's dick already.
Since I don't email illiterate people, I'd like my mail program run spell check and grammer check on incoming mail. If it isn't at high school level then it's automatically binned.
-Adam
actually as of a few months ago they had a few other cats trademarked for OS name use.... offhand i think puma, lynx and cougar maybe? i may be wrong on the names, but i know there are a few more in the name pool..... even if theya re never used, they were trademarked for use as a name for an operating system...
yes, i know lynx in the unix shell web browser thingy..... but it can still be trademarked for OS use (i think?). whatever the list consisted of, it was found because Apple trademarked the names.
I don't understand why you get turned on by women who are not interested in men by definition. Every time I get a new boyfriend, it won't take long before he's asking if I'd be willing to try a threesome with "some hot bi-girl he just met".
Where are the free software projects investigating next generation UI concepts? Is Linux too wedded to the old ways of doing things to compete with commercial vendors like Apple? It seems to me that the Linux UI community has been very busy trying to emulate the functionality of yesterday's commercial desktops, when it should be pioneering new approaches and UI innovations, thus leap-frogging Apple and others.
"Kitten"
dinner: it's what's for beer
Lots of people talk about how the Windows version of iTunes is a trojan horse idea, i.e., it gives Windows users a taste of the usability and flexibility of software designed by Apple, and so inspires them to switch. Looks like Apple's been using iTunes as more than a switching device, though - they've been training their user base. Everything's going to be smart in the Tiger, and it won't matter where the files are - just what you want to use, when you want to use it. iTunes is already like this - I can say I want all the movie music by John Williams, in addition to including all the classical titles he ripped off, and it will give it to me in a playlist. So, no massive shift for Mac users or Windows users who have iTunes - they already know exactly how to speed through and take advantage of this UI. Smart.
It takes a moment of background story, but this does relate...During the 4th of July celebrations (which for some reason, came on the 3rd of July this year) my sweetie and I joined my best friend and his wife and kids in the park to watch the fireworks. Being the "Evil Uncle" of his son, Gabe, I managed to convince him the previous year that we celebrate July 4th each year to commemorate our fending off the aliens attack on Earth. This year, he and I spoke further on the issue...
GABE: "So, we fought off the Aliens with their own technology?
ME: "Why...ah, yes, as a matter of fact, we did."
GABE: "So aliens have laptops too?"
ME: "Yes, well, sort of. Actually, no..."
GABE: "Arrrgh!"
ME: "See, they captured an alien ship back in the 50's and reverse-engineered the operating system."
GABE: "Hmmm...And they used it to blow up the aliens?"
ME: "Not quite. See, it takes money to fund these sorts of top-secret government wossnames. So what they did was eventually market the operating system in the private sector, as a competing OS. However, since it was the government that gave out the OS in the first place, they decided to keep it close to home, in federally funded areas... like Schools."
GABE: "You mean..." his eyes went wide "Apple Computers are made by aliens? Oh no!"
ME: "No, Apple Computers are made by Apple. However, their OS was originally hacked from an alien spaceship. That's why they never managed to produce clones like the PCs."
GABE: "And we made the aliens blow up with an Apple computer?"
ME: "No, we just used their technology to remove their shields, so that our weapons could blow them up."
GABE: "Did we use alien weapons?"
ME: "Nope, just good old fashioned American-made missiles and stuff."
GABE: "Good," he nods sagely. "Cause next time, we might not be so lucky."
ME: "Indeed. And THAT'S why we celebrate the 4th of July, every year."
MY FIANCE: "Just for the record, Sweetie, our kids are never going to be home-schooled by you."
-The Libra
"Please be patient--The future will begin momentarily."
I just wanted to note that Tiger has a lot of very cool stuff under the hood that is taking place that will be a boon for developers and by extension customers (of course this stuff is still currently under NDA).
It will be a great OS release... one that I feel will become a must have for every Macintosh user (with supported hardware). At least I hope it will be a must have because I really want to use some of he features that will exist to help speed the development and richness of applications.
You know, that's a really smart idea! Of course it would need a few tweaks- Maybe calculate the percentage of mistakes and trash it above a certain value (for the friends who make the occasional spelling mistake).
The best part is, if spammers start using spell-check and correcting their mail before sending (changing V1@gr@ to Viagra) it will be caught by the spam filters instead! It's a win-win situation, less spam and correct spelling...
Urge to post... fading... fading... RISING!... fading... fading... gone.
is a "smarter" spam filter in mail. The current spam filter works relatively well in identifying spam, the only problem I have with it is it does tend to have too many false positives for my taste.
The filter as it stands right now is pretty basic, it would be nice if they could(as an option of course) put in a Baysein filter in mail. Hopefully that would stop a lot of the false positives I get currently.
Ok more screenshots of the features shown in Apple's broadcast, nice for end users I guess, but what about some details for developers?
Does Apple solve the problems for international users? Or must we wait until KDE has perfected it and Apple starts losing international users? I want to share my shareware with people who's language I cannot speak or write. No I'm not a paying Apple Developer, so that are things a nerd like me wants to know.
Dennis SCP
Apple also continues to improve Safari's compliance with web standards, fixing a number of Cascading Style Sheet (CSS) and rendering bugs and supporting more of the recently approved CSS 2 standard.
For all the talk of "web standards", CSS is actually a recommendation, not a standard. Tim Berners-Lee makes it very clear that the W3C was founded to produce recommendations and not to be a standards body in his book, Weaving The Web.
Furthermore, the CSS 2 recommendation was approved over six years ago, and the CSS 2.1 specification has not yet been approved as a recommendation (it's still in candidate recommendation stage).
What I want to know is, how does Apple provide "instant" answers to searches?
Are they maintaining frequently-updated indices?
Will it be a constant drag on system performance, as with MS's old Fast Find, or their current full text indexing?
Will all 10 Mac OSX applications support Spotlight?
.sigs are for post^Hers.
I love it when marketing drones (or programmers) think adding "Smart" to reflect new technology is valid. The mail technology described isn't "smart".
"Smart" would be a filtering system that recognizes senders based on last name, and realize that people named "Smith" are probably in my family. "Smart" would automatically recognize messages about the Bernoulli account after a few back and forths and organize them by sender and time (kind of like how I have my filing cabinets). When it matches a personal assistant, it's "smart".
Some interesting GUI changes in that Spotlight window the pop-up selectors are noticeably different than the rather bulky and ugly default can-change-them-on-webpages-with-CSS-for-your-life ones currently in Panther/Safari
The buttons and the bright blue title bar actually looks a little like Win XP . . . ack!
I really do hope Apple moves away from the watery-gooey aqua buttons.
They also need to find a better solution from those empty-white-ditch graphics they tack onto windows that don't have scrollbars. Gross.
Didn't I *just* upgrade to 10.3? Now we're into a full year of using it, and there's YET ANOTHER paid upgrade to the OS?! And we're not even talking about a leap, like Microsoft had from 95 to 98 or even 98 to 2000. This just seems like minimal "add-ons" that they're charging full price for.
Also, is it just me, or does it look like the new Safari is only coming with the new OS? I switched back to Firebird on 10.3 because the current Safari is dog slow in comparison. I'm hoping Safari will be released to everyone, and not just to 10.4.
Can someone explain to me what the big deal with *search* is, these days? In all fairness, I don't have a mountain of documents I'm constantly trying to find stuff in. I have a ton of MP3s, which are kept track of quite nicely in iTunes. And I have a number of photos, which are kept track of quite nicely in iPhoto. Beyond that, I have a handful of documents, which keep basically organized within folders (Work, School, etc.). How many users are out there that dump *all* of their random documents in the "Documents" folder without ever making a subfolder to clean things up? How much of the userbase is really getting a benefit from all this hype about search, which Microsoft *and* Apple are gung-ho about?
Sadly, one of the best things that comes with 10.4 is the improved graphics-hardware integration which those of us with 17in PowerBooks will never be able to take advantage of (since, according to Apple, it can only be used by a handful of the most recently released top-of-the-line graphics cards, none of which is mine.)
I love Apple, and all, but I don't see anything that is worth the price of a full-OS just barely a year after paying for the last one. Making me pay the full price, a year after buying the last (on the DAY it came out, mind you, it's not like I waited a while), just so I can get a new version of the web browser and a few add-ons would really disappoint me. (Like with 10.3: Expose? It's nice... it's cool... I use it *maybe* once a week. Cmd-Tab and Cmd-Tilda works perfectly fine 99% of the time.)
As a comparison, while I like 10.3, I'm still not quite sure why I had to pay a full-OS price for it, compared to 10.2. Just like every other Apple fan, I'll probably empty my wallet for the newest OS, but it's disappointing me more and more each time when it turns out I'm paying for minor tweaks and add-ons.
What is the difference as far as the user is concerned between setting up filters and folders in Mail and having Smart Folders?
Won't the end result be the same from an end users point of view? The difference is kind of academic: the emails are not really copied into the Smart Folder as they might be in a traditional filter/folder set up. Who cares? So Smart Folders save me a few KB of harddrive space in duplicated emails.
I can appreciate the technology behind Smart Folder (indexing and so on), I think having system-wide search of email is good, but at the end of the day I don't see how this cool tech will have any real effect on how I read and organize email in Mail.
What I would like to see is the ability to group or cluster emails quickly by sender (or month or whatever). This is the feature I miss most from Outlook. Again, I think Apple could borrow the interface for this from iTunes. Think of the Miller Column (or Browse) interface in iTunes, but instead of Genre>Artist>Album you would have Account>Sender>Month (or something). Or they could use those little arrow link buttons from the iTunes Music Store that allow you to filter by artist or ablum with one click.
Am I missing some of the potential of Smart Folders here? Or is Mail not making any great leap forward.
While dashboard might or might not be a konfabulator clone, it does it MUCH better than konfabulator could ever do it.
One of the nasties of using konfabulator aside from the hideous amount of prossesor usage it seems to take and its tendancy to kill your system if your not online and using a widget that grabs online feeds, is the fact that well, every interface is different between widgets and sometimes they either dont work, or are hard to move around or close. The new version of Konfabulator fixed some of this, but its still bad. Apple has changed this, by not only making the moduals easy to close or move, and forcing them to keep simular preference interfaces, they also added the expose powered hide feature.
Honestly I dont hate Konfabulator and wish it well, I think its creator is a ass as to the fact that he doesnt care about the fact that both Apple and Microsoft did it first and he was just reimplementing a old idea.... beleiving the PR all the media outlets put out about it being this amazing app, but he did create it and i think more importantly he renewed interest in a feature a lot of us didnt use back in the OS 6/7 Win98 days.... Here is hoping the modual makers can bring their work to Dashboard with minimal fuss.... cause honestly those are the people who made konfabulator shine, not the guy who made it.
"Slashdot, where telling the truth is overrated but lying is insightful."
It is for us DEVELOPERS. So we can DEVELOP. Sorta' like the development systems I work on here - blue wires, etc. yet it allows me to DEVELOP.
Oh, BTW, did I mention it was a DEVELOPERS release?
IANAL, but I've seen actors play them on TV
I should preface my comments with this -- I'm new to OS X (IT/developer working in creative environment), so my experience with Safari may not be totally up to snuff. Correct me if I terribly skew off track with comments about Safari.
;-)
That said, I'm wondering if Apple has improved Safari to be more compatible with websites. And if not, why not before doing this RSS application?
When I do testing of websites with Mozilla 1.x and FireBird 0.9 on my PC, I run into some "damn you Internet Explorer"-specific pages that limit the features that I see with these alternative browsers. However, when I use Safari (which I thought was loosely based on the Mozilla project's browser engine), I see even more rendering problems than in the other two browsers.
Do I just need to spend more time with Safari, or are there still major issues with how it renders some pages and code? And if the latter is true, was it wise for Apple to add another Safari-esque feature with this RSS application when they need to fix some rendering issues with what could be a really sweet browser?
It's sad, but on many pages that work fine in Mozilla 1.x and FireBird 0.9 on a PC, I have to send designers who want to see their work BACK to IE for Mac so that the pages properly render what they designed. Of course, my code could just really suck too.
IronChefMorimoto
Figures you're from Brazil
Since in Notes your mail is just another database, you can fairly easily add new views that key off of particular fields for their selection criteria.
This is the one good feature among all the others that make it crappy for mail.
For example, if I receive e-mail that contains at least one e-mail address containing mycompany.com, then I want the mailer, upon selecting Reply, to auto-set the From header to my work e-mail address rather than my home e-mail address. (All my e-mail routes my my home Linux server and is split into mailbox files by procmail.)
Anybody know of a GUI mail client with rules like Pine's? (Oh, and it has to be able to support IMAP over SSL and SMTP AUTH too.)
If you reply, do so only to what I explicitly wrote. If I didn't write it, don't assume or infer it.
What is bigger, M$ research or Apple research? seems that apple can integrate better and faster new stuff that M$?....perhaps M$ research is too busy making patents.
Of course, all the "new" stuff is just evolutionary and nothing revolutionary....
AC
Yeah yeah graphics, search, safari... Can we PLEASE Finally fix the HUGE bug where you can't print from Adobe (or any other app that uses PICT rather than PDF) to Linux CUPS queues? Its been in the dev tree since before the last relase...
Contrary to all rules of CUPS when Apple ported it to OSX they decided to add client side filters which means when you send a job to a shared queue hosted on a linux box, the local printbox hangs and the linux box either bounces the job or prints garbage.
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Please!?!
"iTunes doesn't use the right mouse button"
Incorrect. Right click is enabled for everything that it is in OS X, which includes clickable items such as playlists and songs. Whitespace is not clickable.
"iTunes requires you use the menu to perform simple tasks like adding a new playlist"
Incorrect. The "+" button at the bottom of the playlist pane adds new playlists. If you're talking about adding smart playlists, hold down shift while clicking. This feature is itentical to OS X iTunes except you hold down Option in OS X.
"It also wouldn't work with my iPod until I allowed it to delete every song on my iPod"
Probably because you:
A) Were using an OS X iPod on a PC or vice versa. Duh, they're formatted differently.
B) Switched the management styles. Duh, iTunes can't track stuff when it doesn't know where it came from.
Otherwise, that's preposterous.
"iTunes becomes non-responsive for long periods of time when used with my iPod"
Sorry your computer can't keep up with the data transfer rates. Perhaps you should consider reinstalling windows or updating your I/O drivers, because the 15 people I know that use iTunes for windows don't have any of the complaints that you do. If you're using USB 2.0, I'm not surprised you're having problems.
And then you'd need Steve Ballmer to be your cheerleader.
All employees must wash hands before seeking equitable relief.
It appears from this photo of the install screen that the current system requirements for Tiger are:
G3, G4 or G5 processor
a DVD Drive
builtin Firewire
128 MB Ram
2 GB disk space
I have been using Tiger on my 800Mhz Titanium Powerbook since WWDC, and I must point out that Spotlight does not thrash the hard drive. Not being a programmer, I'm not sure how Apple accomplished this, but Spotlight gives instantaneous results without slowing the system down.
Cole's Axiom: The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant. The population is growing.
Good job proposing to the first girl who didn't run away when you talked to her. [...] Sure beats growing some balls and being a man.
So... being lonely is manly? Why, you must be the manliest person who ever lived!
I am not a developer but was wondering. Using Mail, would it be possible to have a script that could be used to post information to iCal. For instance: address would be your iCal, subject line (or CC line) would be title of particular calendar; and then of course there is the date and time. I say this because it seems not only logical, but because the interface is easier for many reasons, one being that we use E mail so often. What do you think?
Anyone seen my jagged little pill?
I haven't seen Tiger but I've been a Mac programming hobbyist since the late 80s, and I have doubts that Spotlight will succeed. Unless the API is really, really easy to use, I think Spotlight will end up in the same bin as AppleScript: a few applications will support it really well, but most applications won't support it at all. Are there any registered developers here who can comment on Spotlight's ease-of-use from a programming standpoint?
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Reboot your imac and hold down the T key just after the chime. You'll get a grey screen with the firewire logo on it; your system is now an external firewire hard drive.
Plug it into any other system with a dvd reader. Run the installer on that system, installing onto the "disk" that is your imac.
Unmount the imac, and hit its power button to turn it off.
Boot the imac, and enjoy tiger.
Off-topic, sorry, but I just thought it might be worth pointing out that you're probably confusing two different people called John Williams. One is Australian, a classical guitarist, recorded several albums of mostly classical music and formed the band "Sky" along with Herbie Flowers, Tristan Fry, Francis Monkman and Kevin Peek. The other is American, a jazz pianist, for a while the conductor of the Boston Pops, and most famously the composer of over 75 film scores.
when you find out how confused my spammers are, that they are sending me blank mails
You only have to risked death to get a little action... for most people on /. might be a fair trade!!!
of plans about OS X HeathCliff edition out there !?!
Wow smart mail boxes (Virtual Folders) never seen those before.. no never I don't think that evolution has had them for more than 4 years now what an amazing innovation!
On a more serious note spotlight looks good and seems to work well sure beats ms find anyway.
Spoon not. Fork, or fork not. There is no spoon.
It's also in the mail client included with Office. I think most of us have experienced smart folders.
There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
Frameworks are, or should be, the answer. No-one IMHO should be implementing apps from scratch, they should be building on a framework. It's worth adding support for features such as Applescript and Spotlight to frameworks, since the features are then leveraged to every app that builds on the framework, and a framework should make this adoption easy for developers. Of course if you don't use a framework then you'll have a lot of work on your hands, which is why that approach is not very clever. On OS X you have lots of choice too - Cocoa is the most obvious, but Carbon is almost a framework now - requiring minimal wrapper classes to make it into a true framework. It's an idea whose time has not only come, but is now the only really sensible way to go.
No shit, where in my post did I say it wasn't for developers? I actually got that it was a developer release from the name "Developer Preview" and "World-Wide Developer Conference", that it was presented at, pretty nifty eh?
You'll note that my post is about Tiger questions people will probably ask and your reply has nothing to do with my post.
until I can download a normal unix app like mysqlcc, and just do this:
./configure
make
make install
and it all just work, without fink, etc?
Sig: I stole this sig.
Yeah, unlike other users, developers don't give a damn if their disks get trashed or if they can't load a browser to look at documentation, for example. After all, they're DEVELOPERS. Did I mention DEVELOPERS don't need consistent disks and application software? Geeeeeeeeezzzzzzzz.
I'm holding out for Mac OS XXX "Pussy"
Sorry.
I wonder when Apple is going to run out of feline names. Maybe Mac OS X 10.6 will be called, in its full honestly, "Pussy."
I'm a dedicated Mac OS X user. Just check my user-agent: Safari.
I once had a signature.
. . . variously applied to leopards, cougars, and even jaguars"
really?
and which one of those comes in an all-black variety?
Leopards and jaguars. Why do you ask? KeS
Also, for applications that just use files, Spotlight will still be able to find these documents based on filename and other metadata. For my personal use, I predict that I will use Spotlight all the time for searching files, contacts, e-mails, and maybe songs/photos (which will all be supported since I just use the Apple applications for these tasks), and so whether or not 3rd-party apps support it will not be a big factor to me.
I don't know much about Automator, their new GUI-based batch system, but I'm guessing that it will be much more widely-used than AppleScript. You'd think there would be a way to write shims to let Automator talk to apps that have AppleScript bindings and leverage that capability for more users.
"Why do you ask?"
;-)
because i'm surprised.
they never told us about this on "Wild Kingdom".
I knew that the "Florida panther" == cougar, but thought that the black panther was sui generis.
i presume that the black jaguar is the panther found in S.A., but where's the black leopard?
And is the black leopard the same species as the spotted leopard, but just a different color? Ditto for jaguars?
And what about Himalayan/Siberian tigers?
Black jaguars are the same, but even more common; I believe they are the most common color variant among the big cats.
White phase (not albino) tigers are most common in Las Vegas ;), but do occur in India - I think I've also seen at least one white Siberian on some program. Again, they are born in mixed litters.
There have been very rare reports of white lions, black tigers, and black lions, in decreasing order of likelihood. I've never heard of a white leopard or jaguar that wasn't an albino.
All this is apocryphal, I'm not a biologist, just an avid reader who likes cats.
KeS
Since I'm doomed to be demodded for OT, I may as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb.
No, I did not intend to say that lab puppies occur in leopard litters! It just came out that way. I meant that both yellow and black labs can be born in the same litter of puppies! Sheesh!
KeS
It's just funny, how the most of ./ missed an shouted to them revolution in OS'es.
e rv iew.shtml
General Purpose Computing on Graphics Processors
Ever heard of that? Integrated as OS abstraction layer?
Go, look:
http://www.cs.unc.edu/Events/Conferences/GP2/ov
http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/core.html
"Black panther is a common term for a melanistic phase leopard (there's your black leopard). They occur in litters mixed with regular leopards . . . Black jaguars are the same, but even more common"
? So for both jags & leopards, the black ones occur in whatever regions the "regular" ones do?
"Black jaguars are the same, but even more common; I believe they are the most common color variant among the big cats."
? Surely you're connoting that black ones are the most common *outliers*, not the most common color, right?
Their pictures don't resolve - in Apple's own Safari browser as per usual with this bunch. They save them in some funky Photoshop format. They should really get their act together - this always makes them look silly.
Purple folders in Mail? Then it's true, what they say about Mac users?
Mace Windu's gonna love this. The rest of us are gonna puke.
Like I'm going to use half this junk anyhow, but Apple have gone past ugly. Downward curve since Next, and now spiraling. Looking more like XP for every day.
I say 'barf'. I say we start a new online protest. Dumping brushed metal is a small part of it - we've got to get good designers back in Cupertino instead of these twats.
Yes, although for both there seems to be some areas where melanism is more or less common. But it can occur anywhere in the population.
? Surely you're connoting that black ones are the most common *outliers*, not the most common color, right?
Correct. I said "color variant", which I guess is somewhat ambiguous, it's used to represent both typical and atypical types. Black and white color patterns are always atypical in the big cats, but black jaguars are the most common of the atypicals.
KeS