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Battery-powered Cigarettes?
Roland Piquepaille writes "According to Ananova, a Swiss company has developed a totally new type of smoke-free cigarette. You will be able to use it in non-smoking restaurants, and even in airplanes -- if you care for nicotine. But the PRAVDA, from Russia, adds that the product is far from perfect. It looks like a cigarette, it's used as a cigarette, but it's not a cigarette at all. Each pseudo-cigarette consists of a replaceable 'filter' containing the nicotine, and a heating element working on a battery, recharged by the 'pack' of cigarettes. The company, NicStic, says its product is good for smokers because it doesn't contain any tar, and for non-smokers, because there is obviously not passive smoking effect. It plans to introduce the product in Germany in about a year for a price similar as normal cigarettes. This overview contains more details about this pseudo-cigarette which might be sold in the U.S. in the near future."
don't they already have a nic. inhaler? called nicotrol, if im not mistaken
one of the great pleasures of being a smoker is pissing off the non-smokers. I guess I'll have to eat more beans.
oh, and first post or something.
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I really don't see an average smoker buying one of these. Many tabaco companies experimented with these years ago and failed. There is not substitute for the 'cancer stick'.
Are there any interactions with the nicotine patch and gum that I use?
Is it ok to smoke regular cigarettes and this at the same time?
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the marijuana flavored ones?
Roland is just using slashdot to direct traffic to his shitty weblog, and now he even has his own domain!
How much is michael getting on the side to plug this guy?
I don't think it'll find much success, because it won't be as 'cool' as a regular cigarette. Much of th e reason people start to smoke (at the young age) is the ability to flip the ligher (in a cool way), light the cigarette (in a cool way), and exhale the smoke - in a cool way, looking like a suave motherfucker.
hardly.
such smokeless-'smokes' have been around for years..
(along with gum and whatever..)
why it's better than gum or patches? you still get to suck something tiny between your lips.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
They're forgetting one of the fundamental problems - most smokers like smoking because it's more habitual. They're used to the act of having a cigarette in their hand and the act of blowing smoke.
This cannot provide that - maybe people will use this when they fly or in places where they cannot use normal cigarettes, but is definitely not going to be a popular substitue for cigarettes.
Besides, cigarettes have an illusion of being "cheap" and easily available. Not to mention the perceived (albeit ill-placed) "coolness factor".
Dude, can I bum a AA?
What if that mime really is trapped in a box?
If this ever starts to take off the Anti-Smoking loby will grind it into the ground.
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Anything which reduces the health barrier to nicotine addiction is a bad thing. Period.
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Can somebody explain to me how a battery, heating element, plastic case, and filter can POSSIBLY be as cheap to manufacture as dried leaves, paper, and a filter? Am I missing something here?
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Kinda like the sauce with cocktail weenies. "It looks like ketchup, it tastes like ketchup, but brother, it aint ketchup."
But seriously, isn't this just a cigarette-sized version of the old vaporizers?
Wasn't their a Discovery Health show on tobacco and all the amazing ways they have tried to fix what a smoke is to make it less bad for you and have yet to succeed in making something palatable?
This is a bomb. People smoke because its a habitual ticking nerosis.. They like the way smoke feels entering and leaving them, ritual. Not necessarily the direct effect.
Course its all open for debate.
"Life is all about strategy, mathematics and psychological perceptiveness."
RJ Reynolds developed a system similar to this in the late 80's and was shot down by the FDA. It seems that the FDA considered this a drug and drug delivery device and not a cigarette. Which of course means lots and lots and lots of expensive "drug" testing. However there is a japanese company that makes an electrical heating element device for normal cigarettes which supposedly "vaporizes" the nicotine for inhaltion without smoke, I wish I had a link. IIRC there was some mention of this in a PBS special many years back called "the search for a safe cigarette"...
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THe exciting thing about this product is that it is small enough and inconspicuous enough to use like a normal cig, but without the smoke.
The current nictone subsitutes (gums and patches) are really expensive, so this could be a much more afordable way to help addicts stop putting gunk in their lungs.
sorry 'bout the mess...
I'm not sure about the details, but I remember watching something on TV several years ago about cigarette companies in the US coming up with such a thing.
A cigarette with no tobacco, and with this red glowing thing at the end. Looked like a real cigarette too.
They had high hopes for it, but guess what happened? They weren't allowed to sell it, on the grounds that it was essentially a device to administer dosages of a strong drug.
I don't remember the details, but i'm sure someone could google around and find some.
I guess it was only a matter of time before fake beer and diet pop/soda got a companion.
This sounds like a pretty cool product. I wonder how sales would be regulated here in the US... could you sell something like this to minors?
I started smoking at 15 (7 years ago), and it had nothing to do with looking cool. My friends and I all started because it feels REALLY good.
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That I'm gonna take up smoking again!
Don't get me wrong; I'm not addicted to nicotine. I've quit hundreds of times!
In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
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Already Done, part of the reason Nabisco/RJR collapsed in the 80's
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...because there is obviously no passive smoking effect.
1) User of this new contraption breathes a lung-full of nicotine-air mixture.
2) Some of the nicotine from the air is deposited in user's lungs, providing whatever pleasures smokers get from it.
3) The rest of the nicotine-air mixture (although a bit less concentrated) is expelled from user's lungs and into the surrounding atmosphere.
4) An anonymous non-smoking bystander breathes some of the remaining nicotine that the user expelled a few moments.
5) Some of the nicotine is deposited in his lungs against his will.
No passive smoking effect? Yeah right...
(I don't smoke if you haven't figured that out yet)
Also, Bender will have to change his habits!
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I've seen a couple people bashing this. I bet they would feel different if it was battery powered caffine. Personally I can't wait for the battery powered Alcohol.
My mother has lung cancer and unlike other cancers, remission is very hard thing. She will never be cured. She has a 50% chance to live 5 years.
She smoked for 30 years, usually a pack or two a day.
You smoke, you die.
Don't smoke.
Taxes
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R.J. Reynolds tried this back in 1996 with a product called Eclipse.
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9606/03/cigarette/
most smokers smoke because Nicotine is an adictive depressant. You'll find that the bulk of smokers are in high stress jobs, especially poorly paying ones. People generally don't smoke because they want to. It's something they tried as a kid, and now that they're an adult, with all the stress and misery that comes with adulthood, they can't stop.
A better solution would be to force the tobacco companies to sell Nicotine free cigarettes. Not that they ever will. I remember a story in Wired where the only people who would grow them were the Amish. After all, what multi-national corp in its right mind would take out what makes its product popular? The funny thing is Nicotine is odorless and tasteless, so taking it out wouldn't hurt the 'cool, crisp' taste of your smokes one bit, but you might just loose your reason for smoking along the way...
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...when they have to make a plastic, artifical version of it that is battery powered and so far removed from the orignial.
What's next, a plastic, battery powered BigMacBall, that you put to your face, and squeeze, releasing a rush of special sauce scented air into your face?
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when is the weed version coming out? also be careful not to flush down the toilet, batteries could cause electrocution
While it's true that many of the carcinogens are part of the combustion process, this is still NOT a "safe" cigarette. Tobacco has LOTS and LOTS of carcinogens that are passed to the smoker. It's been so far impossible to eliminate them all.
Tobacco's toxic properties have been well known. How does Marijuana compare?
... from the millions that RJ Reynolds wasted on it's smokeless cigarette (Premier) that bombed in the 80's, sending millions of dollars in research down the drain?
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The taxes that are imposed on the Tobacco which are used to create those nasty smoke sticks.
Nothing is safe. Fake cigarettes, near (0.05%) beer, diet soda, processed meats, fake boobs, fake politicians... Oh wait, they weren't real anyway. The politicians, I mean.
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It failed badly. For one, consumers didn't like it. Two, it was deemed a drug delivery system and not a cigarette. That not only complicated sales from a legal distribution POV, but it meant the tobacco companies were admitting that nicotine was addictive and that they were addicting their clients, thus opening them up for lawsuits.
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I used to smoke, and I miss it.
Seriously. It was nice and relaxing. The only reason I stopped was because, obviously, it's not that great for you.
But at least something like this makes it so that if you want the effect of nicotine, you don't have to shell out $40 for a pack of nicotine gum.
Yeah, nicotine isn't GOOD for you, but neither is alcohol and people still do that. At least this isn't nearly as bad as inhaling all that tar and smoke!
There will always be a passive effect... you exhale the nicotine, surely someone near you would inhale a part of it, but still, better than cigarettes themselves.
Good improvement!
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> You do alot more than piss off the non-smokers, you kill them. Please stop.
Bullshit.
I bet this is much bigger in Europe and Asia than in the U.S., since smoking carries less stigma over there. That's probably why it's being introduced in Germany rather than here.
See what I've been reading.
Anyone who smokes who's concerned about the health effects of the habit really should try to quit.
I promised three years ago that after quitting smoking I wouldn't become a preachy ex-smoker, but I don't think anyone would incredulously look upon my claim that my life is much, much better without cigarettes in it. I could go on about it ad nauseum, but I won't.
You are in error. No-one is screaming. Thank you for your cooperation.
I wonder if I can get an AC version of that? Also, would they be marketed as 100 110s?
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Stop relying on fags and get addicted to batteries. What will this do?
Governments will start taxing batteries at 1800% and EVERYONE will suffer.
Support your local smoker, friends, or else...
Im sure that this is not a new invention. Im pretty confident that this was out in the 70s/80s by one of the BIG ones.. Phillip whatever i think it was..
"and for non-smokers, because there is obviously not passive smoking effect." Yah as long as the smoker holds their breath. I knew pot smokers that would try to get all the THC by holding their breath or passing the smoke to some one else
I'm sorry, can we not discuss anything seriously if it's based on a story from Ananova? I don't care how many additional sources you can come up with, anything based on an Ananova story is a waste of time.
Do you remember when they had that virtual news anchor though? That was kind of fun.
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And while Tobacco's nastier, at least THEY don't market to children anymore.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
i'm not suprise that this thing comes from Switzerland....
It's perhaps the most *smoked* country in Europe with the higher level of young smoker, perhaps also the higher quantity of cigarettes advertisement (*thanks* to the tobacco lobby)
i know this because, i'm young, i'm a smoker and i'm swiss....
Ananova- a division of Frobozz Electric?
I'm a smoker of Eclipse cigarettes. While I've quit and started smoking twice in my life, I've found recently that these cigarettes do not inhibit my life at all. They are essentially smokeless cigarettes, the smoke that is produced is odorless (smells like burnt paper) and doesn't come off in thick rings from the end of the cigarette as I smoke it.
Generally speaking, innovations made in producing a 'healthy cigarette' usually involve a lot of cost, but these cigarettes are usually sold at the same price as Marborlo Lights. They also come in menthol.
With 80% less additives, I think I'll stick to these unless the new battery-powered cigarettes actually end up cheaper.
But then I remembered I'm also a big fan of natural selection.
The problem with smoke cigarettes is they were trying to deselect me with their 2nd hand smoke.
But now, if I'm not effected, but the addiction gene gets a little harder to pass on... well hey, I'm all for it.
Smoke on... I mean, inhale on you addicts... don't it feel good? Wow, we can't even call them smokers... they are inhalers... sounds alot like puffers, huffers... not so glamourous.
But seriously, this really reduces all of the hoopla and coolness of cigarettes to a nicotine delivery tool of the simplest form. No trying to hide what its for behind a cool camel or a hot woman... just good clean addiction.
There's nothing Intelligent about Intelligent Design.
There is no reason why nicotine stuff like this could not be extremely cheap. They even sell nicotine as bug killer. Pure nicotine without the tar and other cancer causing crap in ciggarette smoke would probably be much less damaging to one's health.
The problem is that nicotine addicts are like lab rats that hit a bar for more even if it is killing them. If they are given a cheap painless way to take nicotine, they'll take even more of it.
Think back to the first ciggarette that you ever tried to puff. For me it was in fifth grade. I was given a lit ciggarette by some older kids and dared to puff it. I inhaled deeply 'like a man' and exhaled out my nose as quickly as I could and still 'look cool'. My eyes were watering, and at the end, I couldn't help but cough my guts out, almost puking. The experience was so awful that I didn't touch tobacco again till I was 23.
You need to overcome substantial natural aversion to inhaling smoke in order to get a nicotine fix from smoking. Myself, I learned to smoke by absorbing nicotine from uninhaled cigar smoke held in my mouth. Even that tasted foul at first, until I learned to appreciate it.
And chewing tobacco tastes extremely awful as well. Tobacco is a plant who's flavor says: Don't eat me! If I taste this bad, I MUST be poisonous - and I am!
Of course cigarrettes are the free-base crack form of nicotine. They are all ( maybe not American Spirit, or other 'Eco-health-food' brands of cigarrettes but certainly ordinary brands like Marlboro and Camel ) laced with Urea or Ammonia. The basic additives help the nicotine to affect your brain much more quickly increasing your association of the nicotine pleasure with the ciggarette you are smoking, and hence strengthening your addiction. The difference between ciggarettes and other forms of nicotine is the difference between cocaine and crack.
With the ability to stay perpetually high on nicotine everywhere, the other effects of nicotine - like cardiovascular disease will become more prominant.
I quit smoking about a year ago cold turkey from 3 packs a day and 2 years as an addict. My Mom still smokes, and probably will until it kills her.
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I guess there's no real substitute for the voice of experience, is there?
"I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey
The nicotine isn't what makes secondhand smoke so dangerous.
they should invest in cigarette-powered batteries...
I can just see it now. In cnojunction with Apple:
the Marlpod. Light up and listen.
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Taste the Music.
but there is no way I am sitting next to someone using one of these.
No smoke, good? No tar, good. But it still has plenty of nicotine
And they plan on allowing this in enclosed air planes? I'd rather be on a flight with someone that sneaked in some fingernail clipers than this.
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I had cigarette smoke and my pet peeve about Germany is that you have hardly any non-smoking areas in restaurants. If this catches on it is going to make my life much more pleasant.
They aren't smokeless, but definatly noteworthy. They look like a normal cig, but have a heating element that you initially light with a lighter. I think its a carbon filament, so it burns quite hot for about 4 minutes, and while its hot, you can "smoke" the tobacco in the tube. Note that there are no ashes becuase nothing besides tobacco is burned, and the "cig" never shrinks down like a normal one. Also, when you exhale, it is quite wierd... its like you are exhaling water. The cig pack says its mostly a glycerol mix instead of the normal tar laden smoke.
Anyone reminded of the auto-lighting cigar you used to burn the Inquisitor doll in Zork: Grand Inquisitor? It felt so good to send Dirk Benedict to jail.
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people don't chew the gum for their daily nicotine fix, they chew it to quit. That's the perception, and it's why people don't start chewing gum. Also, many smokers are largely uneducated, and it wouldn't occur to them to seek out alternatives to Nicotine.
As for my idea, you'd have the gov't require nicotine free smokes and severly punish companies that didn't comply. You could start with a blend, and work down until the whole country kicked the habit.
Your smoker friends are militant because they know what they're doing is silly, dangerous and bad for everyone, but they can't stop, and they're afraid you're going to make them.
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Cigarettes STINK...
People that smoke, STINK..
I smoked 3 packs a day, full tilt, until the day I quit, Dec. 26, 1998..
I smoked from the time I was 14 until I quit at 37.
So, I'm fully qualified to BITCH at people about smoking.
Nicotine is a poison. They used to (and may still) put it in Black Flag roach poison.
Look it up if you don't believe me.
And the stench is unbearable. I have several friends that smoke and when they bring their computers over for me to work on I have to leave them plugged in and running in my garage for at least two days to get the stench out of them before bringing them inside. ALL of their stuff is PISS yellow, keyboards, mice, monitors all gunked up and sticky.
Yuck!..
One guy just brought me his computer because the power supply burned out. Why? Smoke. The nicotine gunked up the cooling fan in the power supply so badly that it quit spinning and the power supply burned up. He's lucky, wait until the fan on his CPU does the same thing.
The inside of his computer is DISGUSTINGLY filthy. I hate to even touch it it's so nasty.
And when I go to any of my smoking friends houses, I have to take my clothes of in the garage and drop them straight into the washer or they will make my house stink. I have to take a shower right away after I get home, it makes my hair stink, everything. And that's just from being in the house where they smoke, and they don't smoke while I'm there!
When they pull out some cigarettes I tell them "Oh, time for a suicide stink stick eh?"
And for those that dip or chew tobacco, ever seen someone with mouth cancer? It's enough to make you vomit. The sight is worse than anything you would see in a horror movie.
I hate going to the store where people throw their stinking butts on the ground, the entrance at the stores stink, it's like walking through a gas chamber just trying to get into the store..
I think they should make tobacco totally illegal, the use, sale, growth, purchase, etc.. Get caught using tobacco, go to jail, felony, 1 year 1st offense.
Get caught selling tobacco, charge, attempted murder, penalty, DEATH. 1st offense..
Oh, that's right - that would be directly peddling a highly addictive and extremely toxic drug (nicotine). As if selling cigarettes isn't...
Gaaah. Pathetic. The lot of them.
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yea i stole your sig- whats the big deal, it sucked anyway.
I used to smoke quite a lot of marihuana. But once I realised I was smoking another one just to get some nicotine, I bought a vaporiser. And since then, well, I'm just very glad I did, :D. Saves me from tearing up my lungs. I'd recommend it to anyone, who's already into Mary Jane anyways of course.
And yes, I live in the Netherlands aswell.
do not, repeat, do NOT use a vaporizer to smoke tobacco. you'll only disagree with me once.
...if anyone tries to use that thing anywhere near me and claim it's not a cigarette so it shouldn't bother me, I will kill them before that thing kills me.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is kinky.
If you're around secondhand smoke a lot, over a long period of time -- like if you're married to a smoker or you spend several years working in smoky bars or casinos or wherever -- there's a good chance this will cause some health problems of some kind. If you get a lungful of cigarette smoke once in a while as you leave a building or pull up next to a smoker at a red light or visit friends/relatives who smoke or watch movies where the characters smoke, it's not going to hurt you.
Think of it this way: Big Macs are unhealthy. Cyanide is also unhealthy. The difference is that eating one Big Mac isn't going to kill you. Cigarettes are unhealthy like Big Macs. If you smoke, quit, and if you don't smoke, don't start. But at the same time, don't freak out over every cubic millimeter of cigarette smoke that happens to touch you.
Remember the days when Republicans were the party of fiscal responsibility?
As a smoker, I might try this if it hits the shelves in the USA. Assuming I haven't quit by then.
If they can get the prices down near regular cigarettes(possbily by dodging the insane taxes), it could help reduce the health problems I'm sure to face over the next 10-30 years or so.
Is the physical addiction such a huge componnent that people can't get the same buzz from other means, like chewing nicotine gum?
Instead of batteries, can I get a cigarette lighter adapter for this thing???
(see what i did there? har har)
But if you were popping the anti-depressants and balanced it with going to the gym (Which is normally free for college students) And over time you actually get in better shape (which improves your sex life) And you get to meet all the cute college girls who are working out which can be even more social then hanging out in the proorring rain.
Taking pills that improve your changes on weight gain which improve your chances on health issues vs. Smoking that improves your chances for health care issues.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
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Every word of the parent is true.
I smoked an average of one pack a day from age 11 until February 10, 2002.
My children visit their grandmother's house and I wash their clothes IMMEDIATELY after then come home. I can smell tobacco smoke on them in a strong breeze. I am constantly bothering my mom about quitting.
There is nothing good than can be said about smoking that can counter the bad shit that can be said about smoking.
"Rocky Rococo, at your cervix!"
Damnit.. I'm almost quit, and they had to go and invent the ultimate nerd cigarette.
Shut up, Roland. We know it's you.
It's so expressive too. With a cigarrette, you can say "Fuck You" in all of its many meanings, simply by sucking or blowing in one of several ways.
---If you can't trust a nerd, who can you trust?
I have been trying to come up with a working design for a pocket vaproriser for years.
Damn if this thing doesn't have potential.
It's the heat that's the problem. An electrical heating element would be best, but electrical heat needs a lot of power.
No or minimal smell would be nice too.
The smoke is bad for you, as all smoke is. However you generally inhale much less of it than with cigarettes. I mean it's not uncommon to see someone smoke 2+ packs of cigs per day, but I don't know many potheads that smoke more than 10 joints a day.
As for the active ingrediants (nicotine vs THC) it also depends on what you mean. THC is essentially non-toxic in terms of killing you, you'd be hard pressed to OD on it. Nicotine, on the other hand, is quite toxic. However obviously, in standard concentrations, THC has a more severe effect on the body, hence why you need to smoke less to feel good.
Govertnment Taxation. These devices probably aren't taxed/levied/whatever anywhere near as bad as a cigarette.
Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit. But just for the record, I think smoking is a vile nasty habbit.
Y'know, I'm trying to quit right now, and people like you make me want to light up and blow smoke in your face.
I bet you drive a car, so here's one for you. Stop fucking driving. The pollutants from your car affect my kid's lungs (alright - maybe not mine, but *someone*'s kids).
(whiny voice) "But smoking is a useless exercise whereas driving a car is necessary".
So fucking what. I live in LA and I do not drive. You choose to drive and I don't choose to breathe gas pollution but I have to. The amount of pollutants/carcinogens I create through second hand cigarette smoke is a LOT less than I bet you produce in your car.
Bill Hicks was right, "I would quit smoking, but I'm scared I'll end up like one of you whiny faggots".
And to top it off, you're not even whining about carcinogens, but traces of nicotine itself. FFS. Do you bitch at someone who's had a glass of wine because alcohol vapor is leaving their lips?
People like you are about as useful as those big "NO SMOKING" signs that very helpfully contain an image of a beautiful, lit cigarette. You wind us up so much that we need a puff just to stop us from punching you.
I'll finish this little rant with another gem of advice from Bill - "Non-smokers die EVERY DAY. Sorry to burst your little immortality bubble".
cLive ;-)
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... why not just stop this discusting habbit? I mean like, everybody knows it kills you?? right?
The people with asthma? Or is asthma bullshit too? I know one girl with asthma in my hall that has to avoid smokers. Not only that, but she cannot be in a (motel) room that has had the smoke absorbed into everything. And spraying the room with perfume (so that most people don't notice the smoke) doesn't help at all, since the smoke is still there and gives her an asthma attack. So it kills asthmatics, do you really think it's not unhealthful for everyone else? Then why do people cough when they breathe in second-hand smoke? Because their body doesn't like it but it's really not harmful at all? Maybe I should make a cigarrette out of poison oak or something.
So tell us what you really think man!
I personally think non-smoking weenies who want to banish cigarette smokers to a closet or whatever are pricks. Just my opinion, though.
At my local 7-11 even:
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Eclipse Cigarettes by RJ Reynolds
You light it like a normal cigarette, but what you're actually lighting is a graphite rod that burns slowly and provides heat. Then then you inhale it heats up a packet of tobbaco which releases nicotine and water vapor but that's about it. (It works like a vaporizer)
No smoke, just water vapor and a different taste, and all that sweet sweet nicotine!
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...am holding out for tomacco.
I hear they're going to market it towards kids, though.
A smoker definitely would fail a smog test just as a car with a bad ring job would. As a society, we tell ourselves to clean it up or shut it down. One smoker in a restaurant is like one oil-burner at a stoplight.
I am rather disappointed they made the faux ciggies look like real ones. Its like making faux guns that look like real ones. You don't wanna be seen in places where the genuine item is verboten with a fake one that looks real.
Personally, I would prefer the fake ciggie look like a baby's pacifier... cause that's what it is.
I know, I spoke my mind here, and I will post AC because I know there are a helluva lot of people I offended by just being honest.
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There is a reason why tobacco is "politically acceptable substance to hate". There still may be some debate as to what second hand smoke does to people, but there is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that the smokers themselves are at increased risk of enphesyma and cancer and that by smoking you shorten your life considerably. As such, more people are quitting smoking and fewer start at all.
Regardless of what science says about health dangers of second hand smoke, you CANNOT DISPUTE that just like most other kinds of smoke, it is an irritant--particularly to non-smokers. Since the majority of the population in North America are now non-smokers, the majority find smoking distasteful. As it is a democratic society, majority rules on most matters. This is leading towards the eventual extinction of smoking in public.
I'm not sure some smokers realise this, but smoking is considered a dirty habit now. Never mind whether second-hand smoke is a health hazard. The smoke smells awful. The smoke makes people's eyes sting. It makes my eczema flare up when I'm in a smokey room. The butts are disguisting to look at. I've also noticed a slowly growing trend in the opinion that smoking is a habit of the low-class. It is about as appealing and sophisticated to many as spitting chewing tobacco. Unapologetic smokers are thought to be more likely low-income, uneducated individuals.
Not only that, smokers present a safety hazard. Insurance companies charge higher premiums to homeowners to permit smoking in their homes because of studies demonstrating an increased fire risk. The grasslands in an urban park within my city catch fire during dry weather, and the last few have ALL been attributed to careless disposal of lit cigarettes. One of the fires out an adjoining neighbourhood in danger as well.
Even as a non-smoker however, I do not agree with excessive government intrusion into private habits. I support the idea of a total ban on smoking in government buildings, schools, hospitals and establishments that permit children. I also support tax incentives for smoke-free businesses (promoting healthy lifestyles reduces the load on government funded medicare). I do NOT think business owners should be FORCED to ban smoking in situations outside the above (age 18+ only, private buildings). Given the state of society today, I think that is a reasonable compromise.
If smokers do not see that as a reasonable compromise, I might suggest to them to make an effort to quit smoking--the increased quality of life is amazing. If you do not believe even now that you have no good reason to quit, use your manners and keep your habit to yourself--smoke in your own home/yard only, or in a space designated as a smoking area. If you light up in public, chances are that the majority of people around you are non-smokers and are bothered by your smoke.
and snort it or inject it.
MORTAR COMBAT!
I'd say the OP is entitled to his view... considering his previous habit... so STFU
Here's my thing.
/do/ ask politely) I get "We're allowed to smoke out here!!!"
I avoid smoky places. I never go to bars, ever. I don't go to restaurauints that have a smoking section. I don't go to peoples' houses who smoke.
But they stand at the entrance to stores I need to go into. They stand around parking lots. They follow me when I take the dog to the park.
When I ask them if please, please they could hold off on the cig while I'm around (and I
Now, if someone smokes in the park, while walking, and I follow in their path 10 minutes later, I STILL GET IT. Especially in the winter when that thing can linger for aaages.
By the way, patchouli? Ewwwwwww.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is kinky.
No, I don't want to banish smokers to a closet.
I just want to banish smoking..
Tell me ONE benefit of smoking.
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Still waiting..
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Hmmmmm... That's what I thought..
Oh yeah, Have a happy Heart Attack..
Just like the 5 heart attacks my STILL SMOKING friend has had, and the 3 heart attacks my grandfather had, his 3rd one was his last one.
And the two heart attacks my cousin had, his second one was his last one.
And the two heart attacks my uncle had, his second one was his last one.
And so on..
I've seen cigarettes KILL a lot of my family and friends...
If you value death over life you have serious mental problems..
FYI, the smell of cigarette smoke bothers ex-smokers a lot more than normal. I know, I'm an ex-smoker. The smell of smoke never bothered me before or during the years I smoked, but now it bugs me to no end, and EVERY ex-smoker I know is like this. So be aware: as an ex-smoker you are constantly over-reacting to the smells and side-effects of smoking.
As far as death penalty for selling tobacco... you're just a sad sad person.
And no, this is not a troll...
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Wow. You sound like you're pretty stressed...maybe a nice, relaxing cigarette would help.
Seriously, though, if you hate smokers so much, why do you still assosciate with them?
If their houses are so nasty, why don't you meet them at your favorite non-smoking establishment?
If you don't want to touch their computers, why do you?
I hate going to the store where people throw their stinking butts on the ground, the entrance at the stores stink, it's like walking through a gas chamber just trying to get into the store..
I'm going to have to assume you've got a super-sensitive nose or maybe it's just your inherent hatred of smoking you that predisposes you to be sensitive to anything tobacco-related, but I've never heard anyone complain about this before. That said, you should consider encouraging these establishment to perhaps move their ashtrays away from the door. Or maybe just deal with smelling a hint of tobacco smoke in the air for 6 seconds.
When they pull out some cigarettes I tell them "Oh, time for a suicide stink stick eh?"
My, what an endearing trait. I don't know your friends, but I somehow get the feeling they already know how you feel about their smoking, I can't imagine how this would help.
I think they should make tobacco totally illegal, the use, sale, growth, purchase, etc.. Get caught using tobacco, go to jail, felony, 1 year 1st offense. Get caught selling tobacco, charge, attempted murder, penalty, DEATH. 1st offense..
This one is what got me to reply in the first place. I'm assuming you don't really feel this way, but I can't tell for sure. Do you really want your friends to be in jail? Do you really think the world would be better if, instead of merely causing health problems, using tobacco would end up putting you in jail, where you lose your freedom, can no longer support your family (if you have one), and become nothing more than a burden to society? And do you really think that growing and selling a plant, something that exists naturally should result in your death rather than perhaps a guilty conscience?
Like I said, I can only assume the answer to those questions is "no", but then again, I can think of another plant that people seem to think otherwise of.
Congrats to you and the grandparent poster for being able to kick the habit.
However, there is nothing worse than a sanctimonious ex-smoker.
You were an addict once, and I don't think it was as easy to quit as simply throwing away your smokes. There are studies that show that Nicotine is as addictive as heroin.
Again, Congradulations on being able to do this, but show a little compasion to those of us who have been unable as yet to become ex-smokers.
(BTW, if you've been a Nicotine addict and don't smoke now, you are not a non-smoker. You are an ex-smoker, and the addiction is but one smoke away. Don't ever think "Ah, just one cigarette - it won't make me start again...")
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:) Made me laugh. lol that's pretty funny... Honers graduate.
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If you want to run for president, pierce your tongue, pierce your eyebrows, or staple your earlobes together behind your head - fine by me.
I don't care if you shave your hair into the shape of a sundial or file your teeth into pointed vampire-style fangs.
But, for the love of all things good, don't subject me to your second-hand smoke.
Smoking is one of the very few habits that not only kills the weak-minded individual that can't quit and chooses to partake - it forces everyone else around them to smoke too. I chewed Copenhagen snuff for 9 years until one day I realized it was bad news. I did it because I was addicted to the nicotene and the habit of having something in my lip. So, yes - I feel I'm qualified to give advice on the weak-mindedness of cigarettes. I quit. Cold turkey. It wasn't easy and 5 years later, I still crave it occasionally but I did quit. It is possible and it IS a mental challenge but it can be done. If you started it, you can end it.
I have Sarcoidosis so second hand smoke precludes me from going to a lot of restaurants, taverns, and even places like bowling alleys, casinos, and other public places that allow smoking.
Like I said, do whatever you want to yourself, but dog gone it, don't force me to do it with you.
If you do what you always did, you get what you always got.
Yes, i quit using these methods. I've had no cigarrettes for 6 months now.
;) . The other thing might be taking a walk, eating a snack, drinking some water or juice. Taking a nap. You name it.
(1) Cold turkey is best.
(2) First 2 weeks - 2 aspirin in the morning, 2 aspirin when you develop headaches. IF aspirin stops working, switch it with ibuprofen. Dont mix ibuprofen with alcohol ("they" say it's bad for the liver).
(3) B-Vitamin anti-stress formula to reduce tension.
(4) Nic-Patch - Buy the strongest ones 22mg - treat each mg as a cigarette, and CUT the patches down to size. One mg per cigarrette, and steadily reduce them until you're not using any.
(5) If you accidentally "cheat" stick with the program, and keep quitting smoking.
(6) Coffee in the morning helps take the edge off.
(7) Sometimes a beer at night does the same.
(8) Valerian Root, or Camomile Tea to help you sleep.
(9) Finally, when you're really stressing and craving, remember that your body actually wants some other thing first, before that cigarrette (which you're NOT going to smoke
"Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us." -Jesus Christ The Lord's Prayer
The feds can regulate anything they like, so why not regulate the maximum nicotine content in cigarettes? Then start reducing it year by year so that in about 8 or 10 years the maximum nicotine content in cigs is zero. How hard is it going to be to quit then?
None of them can see the clouds; The polished wings don't care.
This is nothing new, if you know anything about the industry, almost exactly the same thing was experimented with about 20 years ago.
Ok, someone really needs to calm down. I think it's great you survived you death defying escape from cigarettes. Great, but why do you want to make something I am choosing to do of my own free will, illegal. Yes, I smoke, i'm approx. a Pack/3 months smoker. I'm all for smoking bans in public places, I love being able to go to the bar and not come back having 2nd handed 2 or 3 packs worth. I only smoke with other smokers, outside away from people. Not effecting anyone else. For the love of god, why are you advocating draconian laws against the substance. I bet you think other drug laws a good too. DEATH for growing tobacco, did a tobacco farmer kill your parrents or something?
I think it's just wrong you think that way.
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>I think they should make tobacco totally illegal,
:-)
>the use, sale, growth, purchase, etc..
yeah this approach worked really well for alcohol in the 1920s and 1930s. and today it's impossible to get heroin, marijuana and crack in this country.
what we should do instead is have the feds try to guarantee that there is an adequate supply of cigarettes for everyone. then, as with flu shots, we'd have a tough time getting them.
Ah, Slashdot. I can't think of anywhere else I can get into a legitimate argument about the taste of snake urine amidst a conversation about cigarettes.
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You don't have much of a social life, do you? :)
but used the last of my points yesterday. As a non-smoker, I completely agree with you.
Recently in my hometown (Winnipeg, MB), they've gone smoke-free in all public establishments. Now, sure it's nice to go in to a restaurant and eat without cigarette smoke in the air, but honestly it's never really bothered me.
Bar business is definitely hurting because of it. There's a bar that I've been to a few times, and the owner had put a broken down schoolbus beside it, allowing smokers somewhere to go in the winter to get out of the cold. There were even heaters in there. Now, of course, he was fined and told to get rid of it because it circumvented the bylaw. How fucking ridiculous is that? The bar is smoke free, and he's just trying to keep patrons by allowing them someplace to go. It's not like non-smokers had any reason to go in there, but they still whined and bitched and complained. Bullshit!
~jaraxle
--I think they should make tobacco totally illegal, the use, sale, growth, purchase, etc.. Get caught using tobacco, go to jail, felony, 1 year 1st offense.
Get caught selling tobacco, charge, attempted murder, penalty, DEATH. 1st offense..--
I hate smoking too but this ain't going to work. Look at the war on drugs. Make cigerettes illegal and there will be plenty of people to lock up then. Whoa, what a Mofia that will create.
"I CHOOSE to smoke" my ass.
Admit it. You're an addict. You couldn't stop if you tried. Getting your buzz is more important to you than pissing off every non-smoker in your vincinity by stinking up their clothes and filling their air with crap. And you'll pay through the nose and ruin your health and that of anyone unfortunate enough to live with you to do so.
You can cop an attitude all you want, but it won't cover up the fact that you're that cancer stick's bitch.
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...is a style of government. Democracy is a process used by government. It seems to me that they are related but not the same thing. Isn't your statement kind of like saying "an orange is not a plant, it is a fruit"?
Doesn't democracy play an important role in a democratic republic? In my observation the US holds elections on every damn thing to do with government. Today, you are electing the President, congressmen, sentaors, judges, public commissioners, voting on propositions, etc etc etc.
Seems to me that the system was at least INTENDED to govern by majority opinion.
DEATH for growing tobacco, did a tobacco farmer kill your parrents or something?
Yes, as a matter of fact. Several of my family members died as a direct result of smoking.
They died horrible, painful deaths.
Cancer, heart attacks, etc..
I watched them die, at their sides in the hospital, I watched them die.
The tobacco farmers are responsible, the tobacco companies are responsible, the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT is responsible.
Yes, the government makes a HUGE profit from the sale of tobacco, it's called sales tax.
The more sales, the more revenue.
ATF.. Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. They are the ones that control the sales of tobacco..
There's so much more..
Tobacco is a poison. It kills people.
You can not deny that. If you do, you are a fool...
Oh and I see some of these posts are getting modded as flamebait. I presume by militant smokers..
"The tobacco farmers are responsible, the tobacco companies are responsible, the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT is responsible."
Good thing there's no such thing as personal responsibility...
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The trick was keeping it just above 80C but below 90C, that way you get most of the alcaloid, but none of the easily-recognized-by-autorithies smell.
Well, it was funnier when I was baked:
I remember one time in college we were using a dorm tube (a one liter bottle filled with drier sheets) to exhale the smoke, so as not to let the smell exit our room. Just outside our door I heard a neighbor exclaim, "It smells like I'm about to get eaten by an 8-foot tall Snuggles."
It's called the Vapir. The target market seems to be for *eh-hem* other smokable plant matter, but they market it for tobacco and I don't see why it wouldn't work. They have cordless and corded models and you can set the temperature. They're rather large, however, and only work for ~30mins/charge, but that's still 10 cigarettes' worth.
Congrats to you and the grandparent poster for being able to kick the habit.
Thanks.
However, there is nothing worse than a sanctimonious ex-smoker.
That's true, but stating facts shouldn't be considered being sanctimonious.
You were an addict once, and I don't think it was as easy to quit as simply throwing away your smokes.
You are quite correct. I tried countless times to quit smoking without success. What I didn't know at the time was that every time I that I attempted to quit, I was that much closer to finally quitting.
Again, Congradulations on being able to do this, but show a little compasion to those of us who have been unable as yet to become ex-smokers.
Actually, I have a great deal of compassion for those who are still smokers. But one of the most motivating things that pushed me to quit smoking was my wife. She never smoked, and never she let up on me to quit.
Don't ever think "Ah, just one cigarette - it won't make me start again..."
I've been there and have been able to fight the urge. As time passes, the ease with which I am able to fight those urges grows stronger.
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I think all cigaretes taste like Sh*t. Its a shame really, cause man they make you look cool. I allways thought I'd grow up to be a smoker. Its just one of those manly things that make us think that we're cool and sophsiticated. I guess I'm neither manly or sophisticated. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to live a little longer and marry a wife who just wants me for my mind. Sigh...
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
They should try chewing gum. It's cheaper, better for your teeth and won't rot everything you use to breath and smell so that you smell like death before dying of heart dissease or cancer. Yes, that rotten smell is really dead tissue.
cigarettes have an illusion of being "cheap" and easily available. Not to mention the perceived (albeit ill-placed) "coolness factor".
They are as cheap as they can be and include a lot of paper and other garbage you would not eat off much less put to your mouth.
Chewing gum is much less expensive, though of equal quality. The downside is that you look like a cow. The upside is that's only about 1/100th as stupid as people who smoke look.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
It doesn't contain any nitrogen, a primary requirement for alkaloids.
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Actually, I'd like to point out the contrary. He clearly states that when he follows someone in the park, he can "still get it". Also note that the "thing can linger for aaages". Now what on earth is he referring to exactly??
True confidence comes not from realising you are as good as your peers, but that your peers are as bad as you are.
This is all fine and well, but I smoke cigars and my pipe, not cigarettes.
Sorry. Complex 'nicotine delivery systems' can't replace the pleasure of buying a good cigar after filling up the car with gas and making a big smoky cloud while puffing it. No, I don't inhale.
"What's the frequency Kenneth?"
i'd prefer to masquerade as a nic junkie and replace the nicotine with thc.
Serenity now, insanity later.
Nicotine -- acts like a drug and is used like a drug, but it's not a drug at all!
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Wow, damn strange coincidence. I too smoked from age 11 til 2002. I'm 21 right now.
True genius is grasping a situation like a peice of fruit, and peircing it just right so that it drains dry.
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The article also details much earlier (non-electric) "smokeless" cigarettes developed and even marketed, such as RJR's "Premier" all the way back in 1988.There was only one person responsible for the deaths of your family members. Themselves! None of those organizations listed forced your relatives to smoke. They chose to, they paid the price. Ever hear of this concept of personal responsibility? Look it up, you might learn something.
Ok, tar free cigarettes... what about gzip?
Acutally. In high enough doses (pack or 2 a day) it's a depressant. Check here
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The most effective demonstration I give is to hold a thin white cotton cloth over the filter and take a puff through it. With the stronger cigs, the cloth turns near-black; and that's the crap that's lining your lungs with every drag you take.
"I smoked 3 packs a day, full tilt, until the day I quit, Dec. 26, 1998.."
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"Get caught using tobacco, go to jail, felony, 1 year 1st offense."
And make the law retroactive to 1997...
As as smoker, I know why they do this. We are shat on from every direction and there are literally very few places where we are allowed to smoke. If you hastle a smoker in one of these few places, then you may get your head bitten off! Hence the "we're allowed to smoke" kind of response.
The thing is, you know smoking is bad for you and everyone around you. Yes, it's your choice, but does that mean you have to be... inconsiderate?
I'm not talking strangers. I'm talking someone I'm having a polite conversation with. The4y just turn into an Instant Asshole.
Hell, I've had friends who know how I feel about smoking and had said they'd never ever smoke near me, smoke near me. In my own back yard! They tried to hide behind the garage...
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is kinky.
Defensive, are we?
/know/ smoking is bad. You don't need me to tell you that. How is it fair to force it on people?
How about if this is in a park where smoking is, in fact, banned? Am I allowed to complain then, O Mighty Addict?
How about all the times I had to stomp out the still lit cigarettes your fellow addicts decided to throw in the dry brush right next to the tree line?
Why do I have to deal with the HUGE amounts of cigarette butts you can't even be bothered to carry with you to the next trash can?
You
What if I liked eating arsenic? You want to make it legal for me to force it into your food?
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is kinky.
As others have pointed out, it's never been proven to be bad for others by any reputable study.
does that mean you have to be... inconsiderate?
Some folks might say you are the one being inconsiderate. There are many things you can do that annoy others. You have the misfortune of being seriously affected by someone elses vice.
I'm talking someone I'm having a polite conversation with. The4y just turn into an Instant Asshole.
There are a lot of arseholes about, smokers or non-smokers, that's for sure. I'd bet anyone who knew that you had a genuine need to avoid smoke would not get annoyed about your request. However, you cannot expect to dictate to people what they should do without getting the odd bit of resentment. Especially if they have already had to come down out of their office into the cold street for a smoke. Don't expect them to be in a good mood!!
they'd never ever smoke near me, smoke near me. In my own back yard! They tried to hide behind the garage...
Did that bother you for medical reasons, or the fact they did it? Surely sneaking round the back of your garage should have made it OK for you?
The thing is, you have to remember that smokers are not all that different from crackheads. Without a fix, they are irritable and often annoying. Come between them and their fix, you may live to regret it!! ;-)
The thing is, you have to remember that smokers are not all that different from crackheads.
Um. Yeah. I know. It's an addiction. Hmmm, what do we do about other things that are addictive and destructive... oh yeah, we make them illegal!
As for my friend smoking behind the garage - that's bad because she knew how much it affects me, she had promised that she'd never do anything like that, and she's a good friend and still did it. Also, the smell did get back into my house from behind the garage.
Also, when someone smokes, they end up smelling like smoke. I don't need that in my house.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is kinky.
So you think people should go to jail for doing exactly what YOU did? That puts you in the exact same category as George Bush who has strengthened drug laws despite having been a coke head.
You are both whiny hypocrites. May you die of lung cancer.
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but those people die, and new smokers aren't as throughly hooked, since they started with smaller doses. Also, Like I said, you don't do it all at once, but work your way down (there are plenty of studies done to figure out the progression). As you reduce the Nicotine in smokes, you'll reduce the # of smokers. If only as the die hards croke off.
:) ).
I would kinda miss buying tobacco though. Cherry tobbacco is just about the finest ant poison money can buy (and no, I'm not kidding, the ants take it back to the nest and feed it to the larva, it kills everything
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The only result of this is handing over control to criminals. It's supply and demand, and there will always be a demand. Getting wasted has been a human trait for millenia.
Banning smoking outright would be disasterous. Nicotine is harder to come off than heroin, you are much more likely to be successful coming of H than smokes. I can't imagine the harm caused by letting drug dealers work with tobacco.
The only result of this is handing over control to criminals.
No, that's not trne only result.
In the short term, it'd be a huge economic blow. That's the real reason cigs are still legal.
However, it'd also mean I never have to deal with them again. Same way I don't have to deal with heroin or marijuana.
I do believe that if cigs were illegal, less people would smoke them. Maybe not at first, but again, in the long run. It's harder to nick some off your parents if your parents hide them.
Note that I don't expect cigarettes to ever be made illegal. Just being hypothetical here.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is kinky.