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Site for Moon Base Determined
Deinhard writes "Going hand-in-hand with the recent discussion on Moon Bases, Space.com is reporting that the perfect spot for a moon base has been found. According to the article, 'the best spot to settle on the Moon may be on the northern rim of Peary crater, close to the north pole.' What makes the location so important is that it is permanently lit, with a balmy -58 Fahrenheit (-50 C)."
We are Mooninites from the inner core of the Moon. Our race is hundreds of years behind yours. Some would say that the Earth is our moon, but that would belittle the name of our moon, which is The Moon.
For one thing, the Moon has one third less gravity than your Earth. I don't know if you can understand that, but our vertical leap is beyond all measurement.
On the Moon, nerds get their pants pulled down and they are spanked with Moonrocks.
Fine, I'll build my own moon base! With blackjack...and hookers...in fact, forget the base!
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is make sure that no one owns that parcel;-)
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So I suppose you'd be a good person to ask who wrote "The Moon Rulez" on my car with a key.
Wow, all you need are astronauts from Alaska and Siberia and you're ready to go!
I was expecting this as Slashdot was looking for volonteers.
I own that bit of the moon, i have a certificate to prove it.
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"What makes the location so important is that it is permanently lit"
;)
Even during a lunar eclipse?
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...we've had the technology for years as Robert Zubrin points out in his book. The moon is just a big rock, and we've been there before.
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Thanks for posting that, I can't read it without imagining Ignignot's voice =)
I bet it was all triggerd by our poll
Wouldn't solar radiation be a hazard from the constant light?
This is going to be interesting to see how the man that "laid claim" to the moon is going to handle people that he's sold property to. I wonder how he will respond to the government building a base on "his" territory.. Hmmm wonder if this will turn into a court battle?
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What makes the location so important is that it is permanently lit, with a balmy -58 Fahrenheit (-50 C).
Permantently? Have you ever heard of an eclipse? They may not be THAT common, but I would think that the temperature would take a bit of a dip without sunlight, or an atmosphere!
I have a bumber sticker in my cubicle that says
Hey, I lived in Wisconsin, and up nort', it did get this cold in the winter, and people were fine. Just that little problem of lack of atmosphere. Eh, the flannel shirt's will do.
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Up at camp in the mountains in Feb. couple of years ago it was -40 in the daytime. Which is almost bearable if the wind isnt blowing... so as long as the wind isnt blowing on the moon... hmmmm well then there ya go:) no wind blowing on the moon
I hope they've already gotten the deed to the property, otherwise somebody else might get there first and snap up all the good land.
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-50 isn't so bad. Almost tolerable. To penguins or something. Maybe we could make a penguin farm on the moon.
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I think that's the same place as seen in the images, if I'm not mistaking my lunar craters.
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...that it is permanently lit, with a balmy -58 Fahrenheit (-50 C)."
Wow, you think they'll have cruise ships there? I'm checking Orbitz now...
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One proposal for a moon base I found interesting was using lava
tubes as pre-built bases. It provided radiation as well as
meteorite protection. They actually did a bunch of research in
lave caves in Oregon some time ago.
http://www.oregonl5.org/lbrt/l5ombrr1.html
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What's the purpose of a moon base? Bush said he wants to use it as a stepping stone for Mars... but are there really any savings gained? Earth is where the ship manufacturing takes place... and (at the moment) is the source of fuel. Any materials obtained here would still need to be sent to the moon, and then to Mars.
Does it have something to do with the moon's lower gravity making it easier to blast off a ship?
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Wouldn't putting a moonbase so close to the Moon's limb will cause line of sight communication problems during parts of the month due to lunar libration?
Possible solutions:
1) very tall antenna
2) relay satellite
Is NASA taking advice from G. W. Bush? Maybe the plan needs to be re-evaluated.
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They might be building in one of those people's, who brought parts of the moon, area.
:o They are going to sue through the Moon Court.
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How long will it be before Wal-Mart, Home Depot and Taco Bell establish a strip mall? If the Bush Administration (or lack thereof) isn't selling off the land rights around the base, the Russians probably will be.
and the location will be Lot 7 at Paramount studios where they filmed the moon landings.
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There's always an eclipsed spot on Earth...
Wow, I didn't realize that the moon was going to be so dangerous, what with water ice lurking in the inky blackness and all.
Kinda reminds me of playing Xcom2: Terror from the Deep...
that's in near-constant sunlight yet not far from suspected stores of water Wow, it's those types of incentives that often make me consider moving to the African desert!
According to Google, they're still hiring for Copernicus on the moon. Only about two years till that lab opens-- will the two be near each other?
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11 years for the data to be analyzed.
In another equally insightful phrase...
"That fits in neatly with the White House vision of using the Moon as a stepping stone to Mars."
No wonder.
Buzz Aldrin should pay you a visit and do this!
this one time, at moon camp...
You know, the monsters that inhabit the lava caves? How do you deal with them?
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Now that we have 'official' private space launches, I implore all those zillonaires-with-more-money-than -they-know-what-to-do-with, to come up and sponsor a x-prize like prize for the first moonbase!
It's important to me that my moon base have all 4 seasons.
Will I get that there?
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EH? What fscking environment? There's nothing there but fine dust!
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President Bush's Statement on the Moon Situation:
Speaking from the Whitehouse Press Conference room today, President George W. Bush has finally revealed his adminitration's position on the moon. Below is an excerpt from today's statement:
"My fellow Americans. Just yesterday a security report was declassified regarding the whole moon problem we've got here on Earth. In this document there is certain evidence that the moon is a threat to Earth and could be used by the people who hate our freedoms to cause death and destruction. For as long as I can remember back to when I was 30, there have been a whole bunch of movies and TV shows about the moon. Space 1999 from the UK. The First Men in the Moon by some Frenchie. And The Time Machine by the best selling author Judith Krantz.
After watching some of these movies and shows and reading this report, I've suggested that my advisors find a way to protect us from the threat that the little green men that live on the moon will never attack us with WMDs supplied by Saddam's previous dealers. I'm giving the little green men on the moon an ultimatum: 'Accept our occupation of the moon or be occupied'. You have one week to comply. We know that you've been planning an attack and communicating with Osama Bin Laden. In fact some of our reports have sited Osama on the moon. In which case you are harboring a dangerous fugitive.
We know that you may get desperate and plan to nuke the moon so that pieces will rain down on Earth like in the Judith Krantz movie. I assure you, that if you go that far, we'll smoke you out and detain you. The freedom and properity that makes up American conservative values will not be stopped by a bunch of little green men who smell like cheese. Let's motor".
While many would criticise the Moon for its lack of atmosphere, its more of a blessing than a curse...
Contrary to popular belief a moon base would likely be a research facility, rather than a residential complex. Simply because catering for a large population would cost huge amounts of money.
Since its a research facility, the lack of atmosphere would make it relatively easy to ferry supplies/reach space. Oxygen could be stored in ample amounts and released from refillable cylinders slowly.
When Bush announced an increase in funding for Nasa in 2004, he intended to use the Moon as a place to continue space launchs presumbly to Mars.
Here on earth, when we say that the temperature is so many degrees, we are talking about the air temperature. Since there is no atmosphere on the moon, how are those temperature readings to be interpreted?
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Well, he'd better have those units in the Northern Rim repaired by midday, or there'll be hell to pay.
Maybe they will find the Lunarians from Final Fantasy II. Meteo!!
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Unless we actually announced a second rate spot on purpose to fool others
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Was the crater that moonbase Alpha was in....
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Or was that Clavius from 2001 a space oddesy?
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A lunar eclipse occurs when the moon is in the umbra or penumbra ("shadow" for you laypeople) of the EARTH.
A SOLAR eclipse occurs when the moon gets between the earth and the sun.
Solar eclipses are more common (once every 2 years, offhand), than lunar eclipses (once every 4 years).
Oh really? Then what, prey tell, is a solar eclipse?
When the sun goes between the earth and the moon?
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Obviously it is the temperature of the vacuum.
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Growing up in Alaska, I've been outside in -60F weather, and it's not so bad (you can always put on more insulation). You just have to keep every part of your body covered, including wearing a face mask. Once you solved the problem of a total lack of oxygen, solving the problem of keeping warm should be trivial.
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Nice. I bet my Real Estate on the moon just went up!
the best spot to settle on the Moon
The commute would be an awful bitch. One could always telecommute, but the ping delays would be a serious drag.
Seeing as how the site is always facing the sun, it would be kinda nice to have large kick ass solar panels to power a moon computer archive...... Wait a minute, the earth has a magnetic field to prevent solar radiation from cooking a lot of things. Even if we lived on the moon in a bubble, what would the long term effect of solar radiation (particle to create electrical disturbances and high energy radiation such as x rays) have on the equipment and/or body?
they should visit Jamaica, mon. I an I seh most of it is permanently lit, no need to go to de moon.
Any materials obtained here would still need to be sent to the moon, and then to Mars.
Except the tons and tons of hydrogen, oxygen, and water that you are going to extract from the ice frozen in the ice caps in the poles. In addition, they might be thinking of mining the ice, which would involve tunneling. To me this makes a lot of sense, as several meters of rock is wonderful protection from high speed rocks, is wonderful insulation to help maintain a constant tempature, and is a cheap way to add to the size of the space station without having to build entire new modules. The moon would be a good place to put a telescope, since it is massive enough to be stable, unlike an inhabited orbital platform, and could be the start of a massive Very Long Baseline array for looking at really distant objects. Plus, it could be the start of permanent off world colonies. Mars is a good idea, but it's kind of a long first trip. Plus, It will give us extra time, as invading aliens will probably stop to level the moonbase before attacking earth.
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No, that's a solar eclipse.
A lunar eclipse is when Earth is between the Sun and the Moon. If you see a lunar eclipse on Earth, if you were on the moon at that same time, the whole thing would be dark.
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I think the ideal base would be something mobile. On the planet Nkllon, there was a mining colony called Nomad City that was built on top of old AT-AT walkers, and it was able to stay in front of the intense heat of the sunny-side of a planet.
While there's no need for a mobile base in regards to safety, being able to explore with all hands aboard a base, or even just move to a place with new resources, could prove valuable.
Space is very cold, in deep space not much above absolute zero. You might think that the problem facing designers of space suits and space craft is keeping warm. However while space is not an "absolute vacuum" the gas is so incredibly thin that it will not conduct much heat away. So getting rid of the heat generated by the human body is a major problem.
Within the solar system you have hugely fluctuating amounts of inbound solar (e.g. IR) radiation as well to complicate things, as mentioned in the article. Picking a spot with a constant temperature and light level is an advantage as it makes the thermal design easier. However, I suspect picking the relatively warm -50C spot is not that helpful and that a colder spot of constant temperature and light levels would in fact be slightly better.
I also suspect that being on the moon makes things easier than in orbit, while there is still no atmosphere worth talking about there is at least a big chunk of rock you can exchange heat with.
Another interesting factoid is that the visors on space suits have to respond to changes in light levels _very_ quickly compared to the photochromatic lenses in our sunglasses. Otherwise if the poor astronaut looks from the dark towards the sun without the benefit of an atmosphere he is in big trouble! I guess having a constant light level will help with any "windows" for a moon base as well.
A lunar eclipse is veiwed from the earth when the moon gets between the sun and the earth.
Um...no. That's a solar eclipse. A lunar eclipse is when Earth gets in between the Sun and the Moon.
When part of the moon gets in its own shadow, that corresponds with what we call "night" here on earth.
Huh??? How exactly does the moon get 'in its own shadow'??? What sort of wierd non-euclidian reality are you from?
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Um, last time we tried this, didn't we loose the moon ? :D
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Now that the Chinese, Indian and Japanese all profess an interest in colonizing the moon.. the question is, will the first nation who reach the site claim its entirety, and how valid would that claim be?
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No, a lunar eclipse is when the shadow of the earth falls on the moon. A solar eclipse is when the shadow of the moon falls on the earth. So, what is viewed from the earth as a lunar eclipse would be seen from the moon as a solar eclipse, i.e. their view of the sun is obscured.
If IKEA is furnishing the moon base, cancel the invasion order.
Property is like SOO overvalued on the Northern Rim anyway, and its almost impossible to break into that market unless you've got a trust-fund of space-creds.
It makes so much more sense to follow the space-artists and convert one of the older moon manufacturing bases on the southern rim into funky loft habitat-bubbles and catch a commuter tank into the Northern Rim for work.
Besides, all the cool authentic space coffee shops are on the Southern Rim. Nothern Rim just has the same old crappy StarStarbucks on every module hub.
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Now if thats not enough to get funding (private/texas...whatever) for the base, then what is ?
Ooops! Sorry, they picked the wrong side for the base!
Hundreds of years behind us and posting to Slashdot... yup, sounds about right.
a job lined up...
However, the space.com site has some unusual phrasing that makes me wonder whether this is a real site or a prank ... "Where the Sun shines and where it doesn't" ... "the sun's belly" ...
Of course on the Moon, the lunar overlords welcome you.
.. paranoid crackpot leftover from the days of Amiga.
That sounded so much like Bender I almost spit my coffee.
Great idea. Oregon would be an ideal place to build a moon base. Not only could we use the lava tubes for potection against solar radiation, but the logistics would be much simpler and cheaper. Putting everything on rockets and sending it a quarter million (or so) miles to the moon would be really difficult and expensive. It would so much easier to just have it delivered to Oregon in the first place. UPS and Fedex even go there, already.
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I'm sure you've all heard of it by now, but if not, the Artemis Project has been planning moon colonization by private citizens for years, using a business model to pay for and sustain operations, rather than just sucking tax money out of the system.
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Lunar eclipses are in fact more common, happening twice (sometimes three times) a year.
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Lunar eclipses are visble everywhere on Earth that one could see (eclipsed portion of) the Moon. I.e., from approximately (actually a bit more than) half the Earth.
Similarly, Solar eclipses are visible everywhere on the Moon that one could see the eclipsed portion of the Earth (again, about half the Moon). :)
Of course, those living on the Moon might refer to Lunar eclipses as Solar eclipses and Solar eclipses as Terran eclipses.
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For one thing, the Moon has one third less gravity than your Earth. I don't know if you can understand that, but our vertical leap is beyond all measurement.
5/6ths, actually. I bow to your superior hang time.
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I think you'll find it's made of cheese.
I have it on good authority...
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Record debt and deficits, and the Senate is right now discussing removing the Estate Tax. There is no money for this in your lifetime, it is scifi.
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Ah, but you assume they actually intend to pay for it.
We all know that Moon Base Alpha will be paid for with money borrowed by China.
After all, it's not like they have a space program
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Won't the light go out one day a month?
Unless I am mistaken, when there is a new moon, there is no light on the moon at all. For that matter, won't it be dark about half of the time due to the phases of the moon? It seems taht even the center of the part of the moon we can see would be dark quite often.
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Sorry to contradict:
Eclipse or not, there is not a single spot on the moon that is permanently lit.
Any astronomers on Slashdot?
Hey somebody with mad google skills and a calculator, give me the cost of running an airbase in iraq over the next three years versus the cost of establishing a permanent moon base within three years?
I understand the heat benefit from light, but wouldn't it be better to settle on the dark side to avoid radiation from the sun?
Then they will find the Lunarains from Final Fantasy 4! Take that you spoony bard!
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You DO get taxed on birthday presents if they are bove a certain level.
And estate taxes prevent riches from piling up ad infinitum in one family. You shouldn't have an unassailable advantage over everyone else just because your parents are richer than everyone else.
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Just put a solar collector on the other side of the moon and wire it up to your base. Surely there isn't a time when no place on the moon is getting light. If no where was getting any light, wouldn't that mean the sun's out which will be a bigger problem?
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Researchers have identified what may be the perfect place for a Moon base...
Who are these mysterious "researchers" led by someone named Bussey? Are they with NASA? Well, that would be news if NASA picked a site. We have no idea though since the article doesn't identify them.
A researcher is anyone who does research, which is simply learning about something new. That could be anyone. As written this is a total non-story, about as newsworthy as "Local Pub Regulars Confirm U.S. Will Revisit Moon by 2007".
Yeah, that's the same temp as my ex-wife.
Have lower taxes ever kept politicians from spending money they don't have?
Especially considering the current administration is spending money like a drunken democrat?
Congress just has to write a check. They'll let someone else (i.e. the American taxpayers) figure out how to pay for it.
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The main requirement for a trip to Mars are volatiles for fuel and life support, and the moon has almost none of those.
Sure, there is lots of metal oxide laying around on the moon for building an empty ship out of ; but even then, the standard processes we have for making steel or aluminum require large amounts of carbon (to reduce the oxides) and water (to cool down the molten metals afterwards). Again, the moon just doesn't have those.
If we could find a Near-Earth asteroid with abundant volatiles like water ice and ammonia ice, it'd make more sense to build a base there than on the moon.
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We have been observing your earthworld with moonminds vast and merry for many moonyears. You earthtechnological earthachievements are moonimpressive to our moonminds.
Unfortunately, we mooninites are fighting a civil moonwar. Moonsibling is killing moonsibling. As Moonheir to the Moonthrone, I am trusted with protecting the ample Moontreasury.
Fellow sapients, the Moon needs your earthhelp. I need to transfer the equivalent of $50,000 USD to two thousand and one Earth banking accounts. In order to do so, my moonsubterfuge moonskills will have to deceive the earthbankers.
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Actually, these things are important because they mean a constant source of energy (from solar cells) and a relatively constant energy requirement (for heating the place.) If you don't have to keep a lot of energy storage around then you can build a smaller cheaper moonbase. Save a billion here, a billion there and it might actually get built.
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The moon's about 3000 miles wide, so for the sake of simplicity let's say it's 9000 miles around (for the next two minutes, we live in a make believe world where pi==3). To put a solar collector opposite your base requies 4500 miles of cable to carry the electricity.
That's a lot of cable to lay down to begin with, and once it's there, that's a lot of cable to fail. Not to mention that you're effectively building TWO bases with four thousand miles of cable strung out between them. 4500 miles is a conservative estimate, too. I rounded pi down to 3, and I assumed it could be laid down in a straight line. It would have to meander around mountains and craters a bit along the way.
Now, alternately, we can build one base with everything it needs in one place. One set of solar collectors (they'd have to pivot, since at the lunar north pole, the sun would march around the horizon every month) with somewhat less than four thousand miles of cable connecting them to the base.
Think about it - greath swaths of lifeless desolation! Huge ugly strip mines, like some sort of crater you'd see on the moon!
Oh... never mind.
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
TFA claims there are no constantly sunlit spots near the south pole, but remembering an article I saw a few years ago, I looked up Malapert Mountain, also in a space.com article. Same story..constantly lit, on a crater rim, and the inside of the crater is constantly dark, so it would be perfect for an optical telescope with a short cable run to the moon base at the crater rim. They even suspect strongly that there's water ice in the crater there. So, what gives? Is the previous article wrong or are the people in the current article suffering from amnesia/not-discovered-here? They seem to both be using data from Clementine. Here's another, more informative site on Malapert with lots of pretty pictures.
Should have checked my numbers - it's closer to 2000 miles, so we have a 6000 mile circumference, and 3000 miles of cable between our primary base and its backup solar collector.
Rest of the points still stand - 3000 miles of cable is a lot to build and a lot to break.
Even after the millions (~$140 mil) lost due to non-metric measures, people still refuse to use the metric system as a standard. Even at the national level, pharmacies only carry a Fahrenheit therometer although all the medical litereture uses degrees centigrade. Is that stubborness or plain stupidity?
My god just what are they thinking didn't they watch space 1999? If they do it they'll just end up setting off a fuel dump blowing the moon out of orbit and trapping the moon crew on some unkown trek into the universe with no way back. Stop it stop it now! Ok so it's more like Space 2007 but it could still happen..... Come on you know it could don't deny it.....#)
On a serious note who wouldn't have guessed the moon base site wouldn't have been at the pole were all the preccious water is supposed to be.
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and at 14 cents a square mile, it's dirt cheap.
I'll be prospecting for gold, of course.
And selling frozen water found during the process to the people who own the land but forgot anyone can file for mining rights.
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Solar eclipses ARE more common. Lunar eclipses do happen as many as three times a year, but solar eclipses happen up to five times a year.
That the first permanent base on the Moon will be built by the Chinese?
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Not "off-topic". I was responding to a post remarking on our inability to pay for a moonbase because we are spending and taxcutting ourselves broke.
It is EXACTLY on topic. Not being able to pay for jack-all is the critical block to the US space program. Tax cuts and revenue diversion into military ventures to conquer other countries IS gutting the space program. NO MONEY, NO SPACE.
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...mainly since this is all one big pipe dream anyhow. I still doubt that we'll see any sort of permanent 'base' in space for at least another 100 years.
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Some (but not all, depends on the type) can be diverted by making a big maginet under the lunar base. Charged particles enter the magnetic field and deflect away from the base.
It has been suggested (in other posts, I have no knowledge of this) that there are concentrations of iron in the area where this base is proposed. So we just need to build a robot to mine and refine iron (all using solar power) until there is enough iron for a maginet under the base. Then charge the magnet (easy, since we now have solar power for an electromagnet) and build your base on top of it.
For extra credit build a linear/super collider instead, and when radiation isn't a problem you can use maginets to for science, then when radiation is an issue align all the maginets and protect the base. (I wonder if this could/would work...)
This doesn't do anything about UV, but it solves some problems anyway.
Wouldn't sending materials from the Earth to the Moon cause an imbalance in the energy cycle that governs our planet? I've always thought our earth is a closed energy system and removing energy from it could cause an imbalance.
When the Klingon's arrive, put their embassy on the Moon and name it Uranus. The news headline will read "Klingons Arrive On Moon Surface At Uranus."
Landing at such a high latitude will be harder. The Apollo missions were limited to landing within a broad band of +/- 40 degrees of the Lunar equator - the Saturn 5 just didn't have the payload to allow the Lunar Modules to carry enough propellent to land at higher latitudes. Future missions are also going to have similar weight constraints which will keep mission planners awake at night.
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How many times must my henchmen and I move?
After hollowing out the volcanic core of skull mountain, relocating the henchmen, the cadre of doom and baroness pain, reinstalling the death ray and the sub pen those yuppies opened a club med on the beach. A freakin' club med! I wouldn't mind so much as good test subjects are hard to come by, but the crew for the boat that brings them and their families back home knowing where they went... bad news. I already had to exterminate the construction crew for the skull island project to keep that secret. Last time I leave a job to the Evil Scouts. That's for sure.
So I relocated everything to the top few floors of a corporate tower. Lets see those yuppies open a resort THERE...hahaha. One note for the aspiring supervillain: do not sublease from the MPAA. For one thing, they poached half the cadre of doom for their paramilitary litigation division. What's up with that? It took years to comb the henchman ranks for decent CoD recruits. And that doesn't even figure in the millions I spent in genetic engineering and cybernetics. Jerks. And it's fairly hard to blackmail the Senate from your secret lair when they all hang out in your building to collect their bribes. Some secret.
So yeah, we've been running shop from the moon for a couple years and these guys are right. It is a fine crater. It'll be a shame having to move again. After building a subterranian bullet train to get cargo to the equatorial launch facility and micrgravitational nookie with baroness pain. I sure will miss the place. I mean, the death ray mk2 orbiting the earth was a nice perk and I'd hate to give up the helium 3 fusion power facility.
I don't even want to think about it. Who knows where we'll have to move now. Good lairs are hard to come by.
"Let him go, Ralph. He knows what he's doing." --Otto Mann (simpsons)
Just my personal version of common sense, but I doubt there is oxygen shortage on the moon. And air is mostly nitrogen and oxygen, right?
Mining any hypothetical water for its oxygen seems like a total waste. You're looking for water because you're looking for hydrogen.
We've had the technology since George Washington!! We should have been there 20 decades ago!
In Soviet Russia, the moon base builds you.
Not mentioned in TFA; bases near the [Lunar] poles are significantly more difficult to reach (in terms of fuel needed). Estimates I've seen bandied about are in the 25% greater fuel range, which means about a 45% decrease in cargo capacity.
For one thing, the Moon has one third less gravity than your Earth.
Is that in imperial units? You should consider switching to metric units. Then you will have 1/6th the earth's gravity.
... but now there's only love in the dark? sorry. It started running through my head upon reading your message. Now it's running through yours too! Nyaa-nyaa! -pm
An eclipse of the moon occurs when the sun passes between the Earth and the moon. An eclipse of the sun occurs when the shadow of the Earth falls on the sun. An eclipse of the Earth occurs when you put your hands over your eyes.
I completed my university degree at Lakehead University. We had -40C -45C days on a farly regular basis in the winter time.
Does this qualify me to work on the moon base?
All your moon base are belong to us!
Er... I thought you were Selinites, not Mooninites...
For those that don't get it, it's a reference to "The First Men On The Moon" by H. G. Wells
So what do you call it when you get caught between the Moon and New York City?
Transistors and Beer!!
I might be remembering wrong, but I thought the moon's gravity was 1/6th of the Earth's grav, which is why working under water provides a similar environment.
-What have you contributed lately?
Giving credit where credit is due?
with a balmy -58 Fahrenheit (-50 C).
My math shows -50 C = -122 F. Please tell me I was doing something wrong or that NASA did NOT write that estimate.
Used the formula: F = C(9/5) + 32
-What have you contributed lately?
but that would be 5/6 less than Earth's gravity then.
The Moon has about 1/6 Earth Gravity
Mars has about 1/3 Earth Gravity.
Assuming a 6-foot man can jump 6 feet on Earth, he could jump about 1/(1/6)*3 + 3 feet for a total of 21 feet on The Moon, 1/(1/3)*3 +3 for a total of 12 feet on Mars. Keep in mind when a 6-foot man jumps 6 feet here on Earth he is only lifting his CENTER of gravity 3 feet with a starting height of 3 feet for it.
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Yes, the moon has 1/6 the Earth's gravity. In other words, the moon has 5/6 less gravity, which is what GP stated.
Will they call the religious zealots that will inevitably go there "Earthies?"
It only has to be on the opposite side not the opposite hemisphere. Since this base would be at the north pole then the other base only has to be an equal distance on the other side of the pole not the other side of the south pole. If the bases are 100 miles either side of the pole then you only need 200 miles of cable rather than 4500. Much more economical considering the shipping costs.
And if I remember correctly, because the moon doesn't have an atmosphere the terminator is a sharp line that is literally the difference between night and day. That being the case the bases might only need to be a few miles apart.
Some of what I say is fact, some is conjecture, the rest I'm just blowing out my ass...you guess.
The northern rim of your mom's ass.
AllYorBaseAreBelongtoUs
Sounds like me in high school.
"I worked hard for it. I deserve it. And I have it," Campbell said. "It's all mine."
... when all we have to do is call TLC's "While You Were Out" and have them touch up Dr. Evil's Moooon Base.
Does it really make sense to strip mine the moon of an incredibly rare and scientificly interesting geological feature? If it exists at all the icy soil areas are small and still pretty dry. It is likely that tons of regolith would have to be processed to extract even a small amount of water. There are lots of abundant and useful resources on the moon. Water is not among them.
an ill wind that blows no good
I hope somebody told them that there's no Santa Claus on the moon. I'd hate to think they picked this spot for the wrong reasons.
What makes the location so important is that it is permanently lit, with a balmy -58 Fahrenheit (-50 C).
So if the moon has no atmosphere, where's the humidity coming from? Tripped up in their big lie, again!
Sorry my bullshit sensor overloaded.
you sure wouldn't want to stick it where the sun don't shine.
P.S. - This is what part of the alphabet would look like if Q and R were eliminated.
On the moon we have advanced beyond rules and manners. Do you understand? I will spit in your face now.
Now do you understand? Good. Now wrap yourself around that rack of DVDs. Smoke while you are doing so.
No one can defeat the quad laser. The bullet is enormous. There is no escaping. Jumping is useless.
"That's funny so maybe your a good person to ask who wrote the moon rules #1 on my car with a key?"
Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion.
So when are we storing our nuclear waste on the moon again?
-58F isn't too bad... I'm suspecting the first moon pilgrims will be from middle of Minnesota...
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
The formula is right. And you're not.
:)
But don't worry. Getting the sign wrong is a bit like mixing up left and right. It's not a sign of stupidity
Vulcan quiescent... Q: What machine shutdown with this message?
In 1979, using a Harris S-100 (not confused with the S100 bus for microcomputers) I saw this message whenever I typed "HS" at the Opcom.
So do I win?
While I was in school, using Vulcan, I discovered how to attach an LFN to a PDN which represented the Opcom. I was then able to write an operator command into the opcom followed by an ETX. (Yes, I said etx, not carriage return linefeed.) Then after waiting four seconds I could use other codes (don't remember the precise details this many years later) I could "read" back the screen of the opcom back to my private terminal.
I wrote this program in assembly language. Suitably restricted, the people in charge at our facility found it very useful. Later, I gave a copy to Lynn Macy (I think that was his name) at Harris. Years later, when visiting faculty at my school, I was delighted to learn that a very similar program, but less convenient to use, was a standard feature in Vulcan.
On a side note, I went to a nearby girls college and got access to a Decwriter (yuk!) that was connected to a Harris system 30 miles away. I applied for and received an account. After adapting my assembly language program to properly echo back the opcom to a decwriter,and making it as short as possible, myself and friends typed that program in and ran it. I couldn't believe it, we had the ability to run commands on that system's opcom. We created a new user account. Tried it. Logged out and went back to our dorm elated.
Next week, the account we had created was gone. The account I had acquired from which the above shenenigans were performed was still active. I never used it again.
During my years of school there, rumors of what "someone" had done had reached my school's faculty. They made sure that I knew that they knew. It was clear that they wern't making any accusations, but were sure that they knew who was the one person who could have done this in 1980.
What city did I attend school in?
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
it's cooold out there on the Moon.
No WiFi for miles.
Maybe I'll stay here.
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What makes the location so important is that it is permanently lit, with a balmy -58 Fahrenheit (-50 C)."
The surface will be -50C because of the angle the light hits it, but surley any station built there will receive exactly the same amount of sunlight as a base on the lunar equator - ie, it'll still get very very hot.
2040 days since leaving earth orbit
What I don't understand - there's no atmosphere, so the "-58F" is a temperature of what ? Of the rock ?
than life in Northern Canada. -50C is standard in the winter, except it's permanently dark. I wonder what kind of tax/salary incentives governments would be handing out to attract doctors and teachers to the Moon. Maybe they should try hard so send all the lawyers there, too.
- If you could get oxygen from the Moon and deliver it cheaply to LEO (in steel or aluminum tanks, aerobraked using heat shields of foamed lunar rock) you might get some cost reductions for a large and on-going Mars program. The cost you get is a large increase in risk; if your lunar fuel operation has problems, your transport shuts down.
- If you can get enough lunar iron (say, by going over the regolith with magnetic robots and extracting the bits left over from billions of years of bombardment by nickel-iron asteroids) you could build the chassis of an Orion. This could be launched from the Moon without contaminating the Earth, and would require relatively little in the way of material shipped up; the nuclear material would amount to a few tons.
But as for anything else... forget it.Sustainability and energy independence essay
on building the base on the OUTSIDE of the crater.
As always with real estate, the main issue is Location, Location, Location. I personally think they need to correct the problems they have here before spreading our ways to other planets. (in Spock voice) Humans are illogical. P.S. All your base are belong to us!!!!!! Lol, surprised no one has said this yet. Maybe its that whole "old and corny" thing associated with saying it. But then again, this is Slashdot, so I'm definitely surprised no one has said it, lol. Kinda hypocritical coming from the guy quoting Star Trek, but oh well.
You might be looking for oil too, because beside hydrogen shortage, there'll be carbon shortage.
But seriously, if you're really going to find any water, the local air might be a nice place to store some of the waste oxygen.
Wow! I didn't know there was oil on (in?) the moon? I mean, there must be... If not, why else would we want to build a moon base there? You know, since the oil in Iraq didn't quite work out as planned.
Um, if my feet start at zero, and my CG is at 3, and my feet end up at 6, then my CG will also end up at 3+6 == 9.
Not accounting for bending of the knees of course.
cause I'm doing it as hard as I can.
The biggest problem of any Lunar undertaking is water, or more appropriately, hydrogen, as there's loads of Oxygen.
Now, what if there just isn't that much ice in those lunar polar craters. AFAIK, there's only speculation that there may be ice there, but nothing has been proven, has it? The data is inconclusive at the moment. And even if there is ice there, there seems to be good amount of evidence that it will not be all that much, ranging from one small lake to a "sea" the size of Connecticut.
A lot of industrial processes need water in large quantities and this may prove to be exhaustive of what little lunar ice there may be. In other words, lunar industry for water and rocket fuel might just deplete the moon's natural resources as fast as our need for oil does.
If this worst case scenario turns out to be true, what would possible solutions be? Would it be realistic to smash an ice asteroid into the moon? I don't think we are quite capable of that just yet.
What about artificially creating hydrogen as a by product of nuclear fission or some such process that strips a proton off an atom? According to a quick Google search, it is quite possible with today's technology and there seems to be quite a lot of Uranium on the moon as opposed to hydrogen.
I think that artificially generating hydrogen might actually make a lunar base more flexible with respect to positioning, although placing the base in a polar crater might help to shield it from Solar eruptions and meteor impacts.
Is you want to be damn careful with who gets there first. After all, the moon is full of rocks. Big rocks. And they can throw those big rocks at us.
Where's Mike when you need him?
Edward@Tomato - /home/Edward/ man woman
man: no entry for woman in the manual.
"Qua!?"
If you're planning on a base near the poles, you need the ability to communicate on the other side of the Moon. This isn't a particularly onerous burden, but it is neccessary since otherwise a landing which is off by some amount might leave the astronauts just out of line of sight of Earth and more or less out of radio contact.
I don't think there's ever been a single thread I've read on slashdot more worthy of the phrase, "My god, what a bunch of nerds," than this one.
It may be possible to get your head to 9 foot, but to clear a 6 foot bar you have to get your body horizontal. This is actually a simplification as it also involves kicking while in flight to move your body over the bar in a a coordianted fashion.
Thanks for playing
Letter To Iran
While you didn't mention it, a number of sites do mention that the moon has significant amounts of uranium. Mining that and using fission reactors to artificially create the missing hydrogen as a byproduct of the fission process might be a better and more flexible alternative to mining ice that may or may not be there in sufficient quantities.
But, yes, it increased government revenue. Good for him.
The space station has to have shielding carried up via rockets. One of the huge advantages of the moon is you have large amounts of material (dust, sand, rocks, etc.) on the moon that you can just mound on top of your facility. If you pile enough stuff on top of the facility you'll block the radation. Now we just need to get someone to figure out exactly how much material you'd have to pile on top of the base to accomplish this.
If I drive fast enough at the red light, it'll appear green.
Actually it really depends on what you are talking about as far as height.
I define the height of a jump as the height of my feet above the starting point.
Therefore if I jumped 6 feet (I wish) straight up, my CG would be at least 6 feet over the starting point....now considering I actually bend my knees to get the force my CG may actually be 7 or more feet above it's starting point.
what if you can use a different technology to leave from the moon then when you leave earth?
You could bring up fissionable material(a little at a time) then launch nuclear powered vehicals from the moon. Ships with Vast ion drives, for instance.
Or best case scenerio, use H3 from the moon to create the propultion for those vehicals.
Also you could assembly larger ships on the moon then you could on earth, with more room for storage.
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Actually, since he used the phrase "everywhere on earth", I'm fairly certain he wasn't talking from a Moon reference point - unless you're referring to some other "he". And yes, what we on Earth would call a lunar eclipse would be a total solar eclipse on the Moon, which is exactly what my last sentence was alluding to, if in somewhat a confusing manner. And what I referred to as a terran eclipse (or what you call an Earth eclipse) would simply be an umbra surrounded by a penumbra traveling across the Earth's surface. I think this might even be a cooler looking eclipse than the kind we get here on Earth!
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Isn't some country sending a mission to the sun...I heard they are going to land on the sun at night since it is cooler. :)
hahahaha, you jump high, dumb ass, wait'l you fall from 21 feet high!!
Tyranny isn't the worst enemy of a democracy. Cynicism is.
Even if it were subterranean (or, seeing that it's not earth, sublunarean?), how much force are we talking, and how can it be accomodated?
NASA astronauts train underwater because their buoyancy can be adjusted to completely counteract their the force of gravity. Effectively, they are "weightless". It has nothing to do with 1/6 gravity of the lunar environment. Training for that is done in a counterbalaced harness much like the flying wires used by actors (Beyond Thunderdome) or a child's Jolly Jumper. NASA probably hasn't done any of that sort of training for thirty years, or more.
"I'm not impatient. I just hate waiting." - My Dad
For thousands of years, man thought the moon was made of cheese.
Then we went there and found out it was made of rock.
We haven't been back since.
Behold the power of Cheese.
*BZZT* Wrong again. Total lunar eclipses happen much more often than total solar eclipses. Which is the only kind of eclipse that matters, since we're talking about the total loss of light for operating a moon base.
Yes, you get the four Canadian seasons
Almost winter
Winter
Still winter
Mosquitoes
the AC
Hemos is like...sci-fi fans;he thinks technology is cool, but he hasn't bothered to understand the science it's based on
They're going to move in, wreck the ecosystem, and drive native species extinct.
If America puts a base there, you mark my words: it will soon be a desolate wasteland where NOTHING grows any longer. Hell, you probably won't even be able to go outside and breathe the air.
-Styopa
I'm not sure where you're getting your equations, but clearly the man will be able to jump six times as high on the moon as on the earth, and three times as high on Mars.
When you jump, you provide kinetic energy to your body. As you rise, the kinetic energy gets transformed to potential energy. At the top of your jump, all the kinetic energy has been converted to potential energy and you come to a stop. The potential energy then gets reconverted to kinetic energy as you fall. The potenial energy is determined by the equation u=mgh, where u is energy, m is mass of jumper, g is the gravitational force, and h is height. Or rearranged, the equation would be h=u/(mg), or height is inversely proportional to gravity.
So, assuming the mass of the jumper and the energy put into the jump remains the same, the jump on the moon would be six times the height as on the earth.
"I'm not impatient. I just hate waiting." - My Dad
want. A population suffering from obescity epidmic living in a 1/6 gravity environment
I bet it's still not going to happen in the lifetime of anyone reading this. Hell, I bet it won't happen in the lifetime of /.
Nobody will EVER convince the people with the checkbooks that colonizing that big rock in the sky is worth the time and effort. Why? Because the people with the checkbooks think in the short-term. Any colonization of the moon is going to require a massive drain on resources, and no politician is going to run for re-election on the platform of "Vote for me so that I can take 70% of your check and give it to people on the moon!"
A high jumper on Earth is only lifting his center of gravity 3 Feet. It (the center of gravity) is also starting at 3 Feet.
3 + 3 == 6 Foot jump on Earth
On the Moon 3*6 + 3 = 21. This fits your equations. Another poster countered the jumper on Earth should equal 9 feet, 6 foot man plus 3 foot start. But this is not how a jump is measured, it is measured by how far your entire body can clear a bar, the body being horizontal at the top of it trajectory.
Clearly this also assumes no space suit and doesn't take into the mechanics of how the jump would differ given the radically different timing, but should be close.
Letter To Iran
They're lunatics, I tell you.
Sheer lunacy.
If you disagree with me on social issues, then it's pretty clear that you are a narrow-minded bigot.
..great, all I see coming of this is the first 24 hour tanning salon not on the planet earth.
We did read your post. It said nothing about high-jumping (a specific athletic event). It only talked about jumping 6 feet.
Either that, or they could use an RTG and not worry about a rotating solar collector or kilometers of cable.
"I'm not impatient. I just hate waiting." - My Dad
For long jumping the record is 24 feet and a straight multiplication of the inverse of the fractional gravity probably works, so a 144 foot long jump in distance might be possible on the Moon. I have never heard a commentator talk about so huge a number for a lunar jump, so I assume they like I would be referring to a vertical jump measured in the only way vertical jumps are measured (clearing a bar), but they, unlike myself, usually get it wrong.
Letter To Iran
And the blackjack!
Use Ctrl-C instead of ESC in Vim!
You're using words a bit too loosely.
High jump: Athletic event involving clearing a bar. Yes, you can actually clear a bar higher than your CoG by using the Fosbury flop.
Vertical jump: Athletic event involving how high you can touch a point with your upstretched hand. This is how "vertical leap" is measured, when you see it as a stat in the NBA. Top vertical leapers can exceed 48 inches. This is a direct but not-too-precise way of measuring the ability to lift the CoG (since the relationship between your upstretched arm and CoG cannot change much).
You said: "I would be referring to a vertical jump measured in the only way vertical jumps are measured (clearing a bar)." That is how the high jump is measured. Vertical jump AKA vertical leap is measured as described above.
I wonder if they considered Crater Parry.
We have a massive amount of sats/weather sats/mapping sats everything around earth, yet NOTHING thats permanent around the moon, and yet we have 3 around MARS.
Are nasa people just utterly stupid, or are they hiding stuff for the pentagon/DoD and their secret current moon bases? (budgets of $4 trillion in 10 years has to yeild more than NASAs results). Are they conditioned to think the moon is dull and boring? Do the upper managers kiss butt to DoD and their area-51 buddies? (remember a lot of nasa astranoughts are ex-military pilots).
It would not have been hard to build a good sat/comm/mapper for the moon to be permanently orbiting it. $250m, + launch, bingo its done.
They could make a 10inch mapper, since there is no atmosphere it could orbit closer and how hard is it to make good zoom scopes any way. Its close enough to transmit at real high speeds 10mbit/100mbit.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
The only way for the US to build a base there is if we discover water AND oil under the polar soil. Then who knows...suicide bombing loonies?
Before we build the two moon bases, we should complete the task of climbing the two peaks of Mount Kilimanjaro. I'm talking to you. And you, too.
...and thus, has presumably already been taxed.
An inheritance is, in essence, a gift. And in a free country, I ought to be able to give away as a gift anything that I've already earned (and payed taxes on) without incurring a whole new round of taxes from the government.
Like pre 1900, zero income tax can be done.
Well, we can still tax the $500k+ people, they wont miss 20% really.
How can we afford this? well, not now, because of debt, you will notice that debt interest paid out (around $360b/quarter) is the same as income tax collected.
So they can do 0% income tax, though you would still be left with SS, and sales taxes and perhaps state taxes.
But its too late, everyones been made into a tax/inflation slave.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Ah, screw the whole thing.
You can't handle the truth.
I think you misunderstand...
To be able to jump 6 feet means your feet are 6 feet off the ground. Your center of gravity is about 3 feet above your feet.
So, when you jump 6 feet, your center of gravity is 9 feet up.
Democrats or Republicans. They are both taking us to the same place and they are not afraid of us anymore.
I could see it now.
Too much bud on 4th july.
Commander: Bob, I dare you to run onto the moon for 5 seconds and roll around in the dust, and run back in , ehhehhe
Bob: ok dude, here i go, "Ksheeeeeshhh"
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
I am sure 11.g would work on the moon.
For longer distances, just use a custom made microwave link, cables are for the 19th century.
But dont they hae a radar/elavation map of the moon? cant they run a sim to find out whats 100% lit?
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
All your blackjack and hookers are belong to us!
I personally don't want to see the development of a new noble class based on the ability to pass down accumulated wealth indefinitely. If this were the case in the US, Bill Gates' knighthood would be the real deal and we would all have to bow down before him and refer to him as "Your Excellency." The estate tax is as you say the primary method that US society uses to prevent this. The framers of the Constitution had seen the evils perpetrated by the feudal/noble system and wanted to make sure that this would never happen in the United States.
"Lack of technical competence coupled with the arrogance of power, as usual, leads to no good end."
I can't wait - my Golf handicap will go way down... Do you think they'll let me transfer my handycap home with me???
The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed (SK)
Note that concepts like generation-skipping taxes are already part of our inheritance tax code.
Ur - "Jumping is... useless."
Sigs are for the weak.
[a few seconds later]
Err: Oh man, it looks like he gave you the finger first.
This post expresses my opinion, not that of my employer. And yes, IAAL.
Actually, they still do.
Touch everywhere, even when inappropriate.
People don't jump heights that way.
Any sportsman who does a X feet jump does it in an arc where he is nearly horisontal, arched, his weight of gravity is about X feet max. In the middle of the jump, his waist is slightly over the pole, and feet and arms are slightly lower than X feet.
If you have the ability to get your center of gravity 9 feet up, then you can jump over a 9 feet pole.
No your wrong...
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Sorry, I had a little flash back to my english class with the Koran...
No.
If what you say it's true about oxygen, (although I didn't check), it should be easy. You just bring one ton of hydrogen and you've got yourself 9 tons of water. (although it might not be so easy transporitg it, maybe scooping it in Earth's upper atmosphere would be a solution) Nuclear fission is out of the question. You've got to put a lot of energy into some atoms to make them split to hydrogen. If you manage to get hydrogen as a byproduct by fissioning larger atoms it will you will have a very low mass percentage. It's not worth fissioning 200 tons of uranium to get 1 ton of hydrogen even if it were possible. Also I don't think there's gonna be much industry on the moon, and maybe you'll be able to go by without much water. How much water have you got on the space station anyway?
Like changing the rules in the middle of the game, eh? If you'd stated "in a 6 foot Olympic high-jump" up front, you could have saved us all some typing.
Have a day.
Watch an olympic high-jumper. When jumping his/her center of gravity will pass over the bar at 6 feet. His/her feet will be between 0 and 6.5 feet above the ground. He/she has jumped six feet up, his/her center of gravity was never 9 feet up.
Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. I know NASA does neutral buoyancy spacewalk training, but I don't think that they do the 1/6 gravity lunar excursion training anymore.
"I'm not impatient. I just hate waiting." - My Dad
8) Tar.
There was no such thing as an inheritance tax (in the US) when the framers framed the constitution.
The space station doesn't need to generate its own rocket fuel from the water it holds.
- Your investment is determined by the size of the load to be launched; if you want to launch a big honkin' load like a full-up ship, you need a huge investment.
- You can only hit the trajectories which are reachable with a single impulse along the line of your rail from the Moon... and at the exact time of the month that the alignment allows you to hit them.
Good deal for launching a lot of little loads to the same place. Lousy idea for heavy objects or varied destinations.Sustainability and energy independence essay
Using a key to gouge expletives on another's vehicle is a sign of trust and friendship.
Then consider that you're still limited to one impulse; you can't get onto any trajectory that doesn't pass by the Earth (most interesting and useful trajectories do not; you need at least one more impulse, perhaps a big one).
The Orion is a general-purpose heavy-lift spacecraft with a very high delta-V. Mass drivers are special-purpose high-volume devices. They satisfy very different needs.
Sustainability and energy independence essay
From the US Treasury website:
In 1916 Congress for the first time levied a tax upon the transfer of a decedent's net estate. The Committee on Ways and Means of the U.S. House of Representatives explained that a new type of tax was needed, because the "consumption taxes" in effect at that time bore most heavily upon those least able to pay them. The Committee further explained that the revenue system should be more evenly and equitably balanced and "a larger portion of our necessary revenues collected from the incomes and inheritances of those deriving the most benefit and protection from the Government."
The Committee recommended an estate tax rather than an inheritance tax because many states already imposed inheritance taxes. It felt that the estate tax helped to form a well-balanced system of inheritance taxation between the Federal Government and the various states and that an estate tax could be readily administered with less conflict than a tax based upon inherited shares.
Various changes in the estate tax provisions of law, as well as their repeal, have been proposed over the years, but the principle has been retained. Our office has available an excerpt from the Ways and Means Committee's report on the Revenue Act of 1935. The report reproduces a June 19, 1935, message from President Roosevelt to Congress advocating an inheritance tax, in addition to the estate tax. Although the inheritance tax proposal was not adopted, the message provides information on why the taxation of individuals' estates was considered appropriate.
From the National Conference of State Legislatures:
Since 1826, death taxes traditionally had been an area of state jurisdiction. Federal death taxes were levied intermittently from 1797 through 1915, but only to serve as a supplementary revenue source during wartime. In 1916, however, the federal government imposed a permanent estate tax. A controversy arose as the states felt that the federal government was infringing upon one of their traditional tax bases. The controversy heightened in the 1920s when state government finances became stressed. As the opposition increased, the federal government was forced to act.
In 1924, Congress offered a compromise. The federal estate tax rates were increased, but Congress provided for a credit of up to 25 percent against the federal tax for death taxes paid to the states. Under the Federal Estate Tax Act of 1926, the maximum credit increased from 25 percent to 80 percent. Today this credit is commonly referred to as a "pick-up" tax. As discussed earlier, the total tax liability for the beneficiaries does not increase and all states currently impose this tax up to the allowable federal credit.
The U.S. Tax Reform Act (TRA) of 1976 and The Economic Recovery Tax Act (ERTA) of 1981 brought about major changes in the administration of the pick-up tax. The end result was fewer estates being subject to the tax and sharply reduced taxes for those that were. This, in turn, resulted in less state revenue collected because state pick-up taxes are levied as a specified percentage of the federal estate tax. Most recently, The Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997 changed the federal estate tax law. The current $600,000 estate tax exemption will increase gradually to $1 million by the year 2006, again resulting in less state revenue collected under the pick-up tax.
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