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Machine Gun Sentry Robot Unveiled
mpthompson writes "Samsung has partnered with a Korean university to develop a robotic sentry equipped with a 5.5mm machine gun. Meant for deployment along the DMZ between North and South Korea, the $200,000 robot employs sophisticated pattern recognition software for targeting humans. No three laws here, but the robot does include a speaker that can be used to politely issue a warning before taking the target out. The promotional video is both scary and funny at the same time."
real-life aimbot
"You're everywhere. You're omnivorous."
I guess after a half-century mediation by America and China, the Korean Peninsula conflict has degenerated into the Crazy Olympics.
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We need some improvements in pattern recognition before this is a feasible idea. There is a lot of cognitive processing that goes into seemingly simple decisions like 'Is this a person?' and 'Is this person an enemy?' and 'Is this person armed?'
It does not appear to have the capacity to tell the difference between an unarmed intruder and a heavily armed one, so defeating it is not hard: Approach it with some kind of heavier firepower, and while it talks, you blow it away.
And 200K? For 200 I could do the same thing: a home-depot motion sensor, a voice chip with loudspeaker, and a handful of fertilizer/oil land mines.
Am tired of the same old joke.
I for one...oh never mind, it's way too easy...
Anyone else find the wording amusing? "The robot also has a speaker to warn the intruder to surrender or get a perfect headshot." So either they get Microsoft Sam telling them to put their hands in the air or shot by someone who's played too much CS...
What happens when one of these things is hacked so that it begins firing randomly at x time though? That seems to me like it would be a likely, and dangerous, problem. One spy in your maintenance department and your army is gone.
Honestly this article is just scary, and I would elaborate if I wasn't half asleep...
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Next thing you know, the company that makes them will be bought out by Cylon, Inc.
I for one welcome our...
This thing would pwn jehova's witnesses!
it doesn't like to hunt for it's own bacon.
...can I program it to say "Get off my lawn!"
I don't always use unix-like operating systems; but when I do, I prefer FreeBSD.
> politely issue a warning before taking the target out
I could have given them some to use:
"Dead or alive, you're coming with me!"
"Your move, creep!"
"Stay out of trouble!"
And the list goes on.
But knowing them, I bet they'll just go with "You have 20 seconds to comply".
"You can justify anything by putting it in quotes, adding a famous name and making it a sig" - Albert Einstein
But can it tell the difference between trees and... aliens?
Could you have found a more annoying, ad-infested site to link to? Must have searched for a while. Try this one instead: http://www.gorobotics.net/The-News/Military/South- Korea-Develops-Machine%11Gun-Sentry-Robot/
I could very much see something like this being very useful in the US if the armament was different. I'm picturing something armed with essentially a paintball gun loaded with balls of marker dye... Might be very useful for places like prisons, etc. It might even be useful as a part of a bank security system. Have it mark them with paint as they leave..
Of course, the liability of it hitting someone in the eye would be a killer, but it is at least interesting to think about what could be done with such a system if armed with non-lethal weaponry.
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You can't invade an enemy Titan without these stupid things trying to shoot at you through thirty feet of boxes and walls. A couple good shotgun blasts should do one in though, or maybe a rocket.
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You don't know what you don't know.
I'm sold! Imagine how much better we will all be able to sleep once these bad boys are deployed along the Canadian border!
So I guess these bots will pretty much serve the same purpose as landmines did: If you enter a certain zone you are likely to die.
There are some nicities though, such as being able to turm them off if required, as well as them being a little bit more visible. It would be cool if these things had a skeet shooting mode where you could rapidly throw targets into the air and watch the bots shoot them down. Sayyyy! I wonder if you could use them for rabbit shooting? That would have been cool here in Australia a few years ago, sure beats running around killing rabbits with your bare hands or trying to pick them off with a .22 rifle.
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You can't just up and *ban* the U.S. Marines!
After being thwarted yet a third time in the past, Skynet outsourced time line assassinations to Samsung and the rest they say is history.
Despite what any official sources might say, has anyone other than I heard that the unofficial name of this robot is to be the T-101?
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lol.... sorry... I'm sure about 1 out of 10 of you get that one :)
I saw a sci fi movie once, forgot the title, where people developed machines to do the border fighting for them, and then unbeknownst they allowed the machines to do some of the designing, and after the planet was semi abandoned, the machines kept designing themselves. Initial versions were sandcrawling things, then 2nd generation more sophisticated ones were little 5 year old girls asking for help and crying to take them with you into your base where they would detonate, then the 3rd generation most advanced versions were actually undiscernible from people, behaved like people, and ended up managers and bosses in the human outposts left behind - the female version was quite hot. Scary as hell.
So how long until the North Korean Sam Fischer drops by and laughs with (silent) glee as the bot is turned against its masters?
This robot was featured in Slashdot some time ago, back when it was just an idea. A lot of people went into hysterics about it, but I think the robot could be a Good Thing for the South Korean military. The DMZ is the most heavily-armed border in the world. There was never a peace treaty between the Koreas, and it occasionally gets hot on the DMZ. Watching a static border like the DMZ seems well-suited to a robot sentry, and I'm sure South Korean soldiers wouldn't mind much if they didn't have to run as many live patrols along the wire.
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Does the way the video is presented make anyone else have flashbacks to OCP commercials in Robocop? The music is what does it for me.
When people escaped the DDR (East Germany), specifically over the Berlin Wall - the West Germans helped them in any way possible with open arms, short of provoking war.
Now we shoot them?
I suppose the context of how it is used would be the deciding factor, but if it is truly autonomous as far as engaging, it seems like a real bad idea to let machines decide who and what to kill. Definitely shouldn't be a set and forget like a landmine with a 1000yd range.
Though if in the general case, if it's used to identify targets and then alerts a user to decide what to do, that's a little more understandable, but I'd fret "glitches".
Either way, the ad reminds me of the Jetpants one from "Arrested Development".
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I believe it is my second amendment right to buy a robot machine gun to protect my family when the King of England trys to come in my front door. Are they taking orders?
So when does it start hunting for Sarah Conner?
Concept seen before here.
And 200K? For 200 I could do the same thing: a home-depot motion sensor, a voice chip with loudspeaker, and a handful of fertilizer/oil land mines.
Yeah, but when yours gets hit by lightning will Ally Sheedy be able to dance with it? I think not.
Thread jack, but where is that sound track from? I know I've seen the movie... I just can't think of it.
How about, "Just remember, a couple of missiles will take care of these bastards". Or perhaps, "As long as they hook them up to a nearby, easily hackable control panel and provide a little bit of cover, I'm set." I could go on all night... I've been waiting for auto-turrets ever since I first played a futuristic FPS. I'm as giddy as a n00b with a rocket launcher!
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you have twenty seconds to comply
Well, at least it's not Pie Jesu.
From the summary: "a speaker that can be used to politely issue a warning before taking the target out"
Yah. Right.
"Put down your weapon. You have twenty seconds to comply."
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I'm surprised no one has made a joke about this simplifying the process of defending all our flags...
This thing is so defeatable that it's likely to never be useful. The SK government will spend millions on them, deploy them, and the NKs will circumvent them with minimal effort.
1.) Paintballs. If the cameras can't see, the targeting software is crippled.
2.) One of these could render the barrel unfireable from beyond the autogun's effective range. It could probably also damage the optical sensor or mar it's lens enough to render it useless.
3.) Rectangular metal shields -- If the software is trained to not shoot at trees, make yourself look like a (slow moving) tree. The recognition software is probably focusing on the gangly and flapping arms and legs we humans have. If one hides his arms and legs, one will not get shot.
4.) Blind the sensors. Focus enough visible and infrared light on the sensors to render them useless.
"I threw up my hands in disgust and wondered if it had been such a good idea to have eaten my hands in the first place."
Do you think Disney has noticed that they stole the Pirates of the Carribean theme music?
Add some lasers and a short circuit and we're onto something here. Maybe some blue ray lasers striped from blue ray players?
Couldn't these robots save the US a lot of money on a border fence. Just the rumor that these baby's were deployed would probably be enough deterrent.
I never liked the idea of non-human troops being sent to fight our wars. The whole point of war is that it's the last resort. However with this sort of technology, the country or countries using said machines have less of a moral objection to "sending in the troops" so to speak.
War is supposed to be discouraging, not a literal video-game. This is sick.
If you're going to declare war, your life better be on the line, too, otherwise it's evil and and sadistic for you to do so...
Though I guess this is also a possible GOOD thing. So that instead of corrupt bastards sitting in their offices sending men and women to their deaths, they're sending in hunks of metal. But then they're just going to attack whatever the hell they want to attack.
So no. This will not have my support. Ever.
Lots of robocop references, but the movie Aliens is where it's at: they had the remote sentries, with remote video. That was cool.
It's a machine gun for the Korean demilitarised zone.
There's nobody in there that isn't an enemy, and there's nobody in there that isn't armed (or at least, it doesn't matter if they are or not).
And if it accidentally shoots the odd deer, then nobody cares.
Further, the whole point of talking is to prevent accidents with North Korean troops seen by accident out fishing or something.
You can bet your ass at the first sign of real trouble, they'll all be set to "kill on sight".
Take another look at the context of where this thing will be actually used, then try commenting again.
I know some engineers that are going to hell!
I would really hate to think of what would happen if some of the scarier world leaders decided to use a these tings to keep people in rather than out. Imagine a "customized" model with its warning system defeated. Unfortunately, this machine would be an extremely effective tool to prevent your people from escaping your iron fist.
So we get music from Pirates of the Carribean, a robot with weapons, and a whole bunch of guys walking around hunched over like apes...
Pirate Monkey Robot!!!
Why did everyone walk like that, anyway? It seems like the only guy that stood up straight was the one with his arms in the air.
> KILL ALL HUMANS
Processing Command...
Table-ized A.I.
Short Circuit meets Ron Popeil. Nice.
Why does everyone keep pulling out the three laws as if they are some gold standard for AI when Asimov devoted an entire book to showing that they don't work? Read past the first page, people.
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Nine: One day I will kill him. Then, I will be Ten.
I for one welcome our new machine gun wielding......ah, fuck it.
I bet Chuck Norris could beat one with a roundho.....never mind.
In Soviet Russia, robot......nope.
But do they have frickin' laserbea.....too cliche.
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...used a similar strategy to beat the horde of rampaging killbots in the Octillian System (sending wave after wave of his own men at them in order to force the killbots to reach their preset kill limit).
As others have pointed out, this concept has a tremendous number of issues that would have to be overcome for it to be worthwhile. First off, these units would be incredibly vulnerable to long-distance fire from heavy-caliber anti-material rifles. It's practically the most ideal target imaginable for a .50 BMG shooter: large, immobile, limited lethal range, and no human suffering upon destruction.
Anyone else notice that those prototypes look to have M249 SAWs in them? You can see the tail end of a belt feeding in during part of the video, and it's the most likely possibility for a small 5.56 belt-fed. Except there doesn't seem to be any provisions for decent ammo storage. That tiny box that the weapon sits in isn't nearly large enough to hold more than a hundred rounds or so at most, and it doesn't really look like the weapon is designed to be fed from the base (ammo exposed to the elements; feeding issues; turret rotation and elevation interfering with feeding).
Overall, it looks pretty well useless.
Try using the "Damien" voice from cepstral for this robot. Then give it some red LED eyes.
As for hacking the robot... do you really want to get that close?
If the SciFi channel has taught me anything, its that there are absolutely no reprucissions of building intelligent machines and then sending them to war. Just put a freaking red scanning eye on it already.
Really, I see the speaker as more useful after it starts firing.
... the DMZ suddenly filled with the sounds of automatic gunfire; then silence. A moment's hesitation, then a loudspeaker rings out: "KILLING SPREE!"
I can just see it now
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
This is perfect as it is.
The existing armament won't hurt anybody because people just aren't that stupid. OK, maybe ONE idiot tests it out.
For those that think the current border is "cruel" because of the harsh desert and mean ranchers, this is better. People will cross when the chance of death is only a few percent. They won't cross if death would be nearly certain. Thus, fewer people die.
This is probably cheaper than using a laser or that skin-heater beam. Despite the robot part, it's kind of low-tech.
they use the theme song from Pirates of the Caribbean as the soundtrack to their promotional vid...
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The problem here is not with the pattern recognition. Its the entire goal. A rediculous amount of ethical issues aside, let me put my feelings in a way that most americans can understand: whatever we (the US military or allies) develop will eventually one day be used against us. Technology has been horrible with war. I love how every modern technological advancment, TNT, Machine Guns, Nuclear Bomb, was developed with the mindset: "This will make war so horrible, it will guarantee peace." Haven't you guys understood the point of Dr. Strangelove?
Plus, those briefcase auto-guns can easily be disabled by tossing a grenade around the corner. Don't they know Kim Jong Il loves the N64?
So what happens when I hold some shrubbery up in front of me as I walk?
You've just summarized a whole bunch of movies...
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What about:
- inability of current computer vision and AI technology to make sufficiently informed decisions about threats
- massive moral issue of allowing an autonomous device to kill humans without specific targeting by a human operator
- probable violations of laws of war and humanitarian laws as a result of the above
- fact that military-industrial complex can waste money on shit like this when there are people starving on the same planet
I see these as slightly more problematic than whether it has enough frigging ammo.
Read Pynchon.
I mean, it is not like the NK will not have week, month or year to map map out where those are, then prepare artillery bombardement on those coordinate. Or pass through the holes between the coverage zone of those gun. And it is not like anarmored vehicule would not roll those over twice. And I wonder also if there isn't ways to simply camouflage yourself : have a very wide light weighted tube for the infrared, go in the center with something for sight, and advance slowly toward the sentry gun. Or advance slowly under a thermal carpet. Or in a camouflage of bushes. OR snipe it out with explosive bullet or destroy it with mortar. It sound like this things would need an incredible AI to handle the various way to camoufalge yourself, but it seems only to have IR camera, normal camera and be smart enough to distinguish between trees and human. Just disguise yourself as a tree and that is it.
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And you have? Come on, this is Slashdot. Righty doesn't count.
(sorry, I was going to mod you up, but the opportunity was just too good)
How are sites slashdotted when nobody reads TFAs?
Imagine a beowulf cluster of those! YIKES!
You want to go after Detroit!
does designing, programming, and selling a machine that kills more or less indiscriminately make one culpable for its actions?
I agree. Those fuckers who build and sell cars kill hundreds of thousands of people every year. They should be held liable every time someone dies in a car. But I digress.
Maybe the South Korean military should build something into their contract along the lines of, "Mistakenly kill anyone who isn't a North Korean soldier, and you have to shell out big money." Of course, on the DMZ they likely err on the size of freedom to fire. After all, it is the DMZ, not downtown Miami.
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This tech will turn war into a highly spectacular, high budget RobotWars show.
Wait, the same company that made my cell phone made this thing? Then why do I only get a 4-digit password? I wonder if it supports custom ringtone creation, or if Verizon will make the Korean military pay per download.
...but that musical score is fucking fantastic!
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"The robot also has a speaker to warn the intruder to surrender or get a perfect headshot." How do you get a headshot with a speaker?
The robot also has a speaker to warn the intruder to surrender or get a perfect headshot.
Robot: "Head shot. Head shot. Ultra Kill!"
"Honestly, neither the Yanks nor the Chinks have *any* interest in a peaceful, unified Korean peninsular."
Why not? Well, I could see China's case, but the states?
Are the comments by people that seem to have no clue as to how absolutly hostle the DMZ is. Tecnhnically North and South Korea are still at war. They signed a Cease fire. THATS IT.i stice4.cfm
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I dont like the term for Chinese people you used , not attacking you at all, but I totally agree with what you have said, I dont think that other countries can ever solve the problems of a totally different country. I like the "Vietnam war", I hear that some Vietnamese call it the "American war". I think thats terribly funny, and true, as they have been war torn for yonks, "...land war in asia" and all, so it IS the war with America!
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I think US Military will take few hundred million of these babies. Add some Armor, just use remote wireless control, and put one on every street corner in Iraq (first Baghdad, then others) then we can better keep terrorist under control and save American soldier lives.
Just don't give them a smart AI because we don't need real life terminator.
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Honestly, neither the Yanks nor the Chinks have *any* interest in a peaceful, unified Korean peninsular.
Aside from the violence along the DMZ, Korea has been peaceful since the armstice ended the Korean War in 1953. Both sides are armed to the teeth, and North Korean saber-rattling has been a fact of life for over 50 years, but both countries are pretty peaceful by most accounts. In the North, they're starving but peaceful, and in the South they're peaceful and not starving.
Your insights into the motivations of the Americans and Chinese (excuse me, I mean, "Chinks") are fascinating, but I'm not sure what data is guiding those insights. If either America or China wanted war, wouldn't they have already fomented it at some point over the last 53 years? And why would China be acting to restrain North Korea?
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Remember that scene from Syriana where they blow up the SUV? A convoy is driving through a desert in the middle east. The CIA are sitting in their comfy air conditioned office in the USA. On screen they have live satellite coverage of the convoy. The convoy stops, they watch a few of the passengers change vehicles but agree that the target vehicle hasn't changed. The convoy stops again. The commanding officer gives the order to the operator to take out the target. The operator draws a box around the stationary vehicle with the mouse cursor, then grips onto a flight controller style joystick and presses the red "launch" button. Somewhere, deep in the desert probably (we're not shown) a missile pops out of its silo and heads towards the target. The operator says something like "30 miles". The commanding officers look on. The operator says "10 miles" a few seconds later. The missile autonomously locks onto the target. There's a giant explosion. When the smoke clears, all that is left of the target is a blackened crater in the ground. The other vehicles in the convoy are slightly damaged but not destroyed. The operator says something like "target destroyed". The commanding officer leaves the room.
How close to reality is that? It sounds pretty doable doesn't it? It's not like they're shooting lasers from space. It's not like you'd have trouble funding it. "Strategic Strike Capability", that'd get you some tax dollars.
How we know is more important than what we know.
I liked the prototype version better.
..."Uber pwnage" in Korean?
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i for one welcome our new robot overlords.
Yeah, no kidding. Who the hell would answer the door while "mid-thrust in an awesome sexual encounter" anyway?
Even if it was Righty.
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Bah, we just need a 200 yard neutral zone around our entire country, with these every 200 feet.
OK, that may make trips to the beach less enjoyable. Let's not have it around our entire country, just our borders on land. And maybe we need them every 50 feet on our southern border.
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I dont like the term for Chinese people you used
Are you particularly fond of the term he used for American people? Are certain slurs acceptable because they don't hit as close to home, in the same way, or as hard? Are others bad because they are often used with racist intent even when there is no racist intent behind them?
Read his post again. Notice that he says "awesome sexual encounter", but doesn't actually mention anyone else being involved. Thus, it's quite possibly true.
Could you imagine if Microsoft made this robot?
Robo-sentry.NET Vista Live: It looks like you're trying to enter a demilitarized zone! Would you like to:
Either that, or they'd try and sell trespassers V1AGRA
Good to know the same company that built my hard drive is also behind such high-tech hardware as this! Hopefully my hard drive will be just as reliable as well:)
Or to even walk up to it with an RPG and fire before its wait for me to "surrender" times-out? :)
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
and they sucked. If they had the same kind of beep, too, that would be enough to make me chose a different route all by itself.
Seriously, it appears that you could probably outrun the tracking mechanism, as all of the demonstrators were moving pretty slowly. If you could confine movement, the weapon would probably work better than if you allowed an open space.
Do you think the guy demonstrating surrender insisted on the weapon being unloaded first, or did he trust it? I suppose you could have the AI engineer be the guy doing the surrendering. If he's not willing to stand in front of it fully loaded and trust that it won't go off, I suppose no one would.
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But at least the video is pretty cool.
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And I can already think of the first application for them. They should have to dodge those things on Survivor. And minefields. And, oh, maybe radioactive death zones. Make it "Survivor: Bikini Islands" or some such. Last man standing gets the cash. And a lifetime supply of post traumatic stress disorder.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
unfortunately, it fails to work once it is tipped over.
The only obvious advantage this has over landmines is that it's easier to deactivate if hostilities ever end or if the DMZ moves. But otherwise, it's sitting there waiting to kill civilian refugees, surrendering North Korean military, UN observers, and anybody else who might be there for some reason.
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If this thing targets anything that looks like a person, wouldn't it be easiest to convince it that you won't a person.
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Seriously, if you want to learn anything when it comes to threads like these, tune your preferences to demote posts marked "funny". You'll be amazed.
I don't see how you found me annoying due to self righteousness or egotism. I didn't claim to have any philosophical answers or truths.
/. is a virgin. Though, at this point, given the experiences I HAVE accrued, I'm not going to belittle that lifestyle as I can see it having obvious advantages to the one I have chosen up to today.
I am merely pointing out that religion IS ignorance, to a large extent.
I wasn't trying to brag about a sexual exploit, but it did in fact occur. Not everyone on
You should also be less annoyed by "people like me" due to the fact that besides not going door to door with stupid magazines, "we" have faith not in unprovable (and often disproved) ideas and realities, but in observable and repeatable observations that have benefited all of mankind many times over.
I'm not being self righteous. I'm just pointing at the evidence and deducing a wiser path, then recommending it for anyone else. I cower in the presence of larger intellectuals, like Bertrand Russell or Stephen Hawking.
But I don't worship them, or anybody else, real or imaginary. That's just stupid.
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I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
Ok, I'll give you that JWs are not as bad as Mormons, or some others that play the stock market with little or no ethical considerations, however, their fundamental views on reality are still as inherently flawed. And as for G: That's nice /. boasting by a JW, but there is no doubt that you do NOT in fact no that to be true (though *I'm* quite sure it is), and furthermore it is completely unrelated to the topic at hand a rather weak straw man at that.
If you want a more specific critique of JW philosophy then I would simply mention that in this life, I've probably MET 144,000 that were deserving of a heaven if there was such a place, and that putting any kind of exact number on it like that is stupid and petty, anyway.
Consequently, I have some JW friends, and have no qualms attacking them philosophically at any given moment, which I relish. It's just too easy when you look at those stupid Awake! magazines and their mind-numbingly imbecilic illustrations, that even from an arts point of view are more corporately disgusting than a Kinkade.
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I dont like the term for Chinese people you used
Me neither, but I used the term yanks so I thought I should balance it up.
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Hey I didnt know that you took that word, I wont use it here if it does offend you, was a bad word! I'm pretty sure that the Americans were always called that during the Second World War for example, and called themselves that? I am sorry if you take that as offensive, I wont use it again.
I know for a fact that no Chinese person could ever like that term he used. Its a horrible term as to what it means, which I'm sure you know. What does the Y word for American that he used mean? Masturbation? if thats the origin, then its not as bad in that sense as the word that was used for a Chinese person. I myself am a proud New Zealander, I was just sticking up for Chinese people, I myself am not Chinese but I dont think that anyone should use terms like that. I appreciate your comment about the word used for Americans, and if you do find that as offensive, then I will never personally use it again.
Have a nice day, and keep fighting racism! :)
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You mean that you don't think that the Americans have a strong interest in maintaining a balance of terror in north east asia?
The situation on the Korean peninsula means that the yanks have a fantastic excuse to maintain both Japan and South Korea as their pet states with strong American military presence in the region.
Then theres the economic powerhouse that a unified Korea would have been (prior to the north becoming a total basket case).
The two Koreas would complement one another very well indeed.
In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
First off, I'm not an atheist, so your insecurities about how you may look given my anti-religion tirade are completely unfounded. Secondly, you can make a point without being demeaning and assuming anything about my age.
/. where an undecided person may be swayed into considering a more rational perspective.
Of course there is no way to disprove the idea of a god or gods. Neither is there a way to prove their existence, either. Hence, believing either that none exist or that there is definitively one or more is demonstrably stupid.
Believing in things without evidence of any kind is always stupid.
I have no insecurities in MY beliefs, because I only believe that which is proven. I can make educated guesses about the rest, and debate them for fun, but BELIEVING them would be stupid, and trying to convert other people to made-up or unproven beliefs would be doubly so.
As to bitching and whining, I would say that is a waste of time. Arguing however may be essential, especially in public places like
Religion is for idiots, and it's time for the bulk of humanity (especially in a democracy, where the bulk's intelligence can make important decisions effecting everyone) to see it as such.
I'm not alone in some of these ideas, and I'm sorry that I do not express them eloquently enough for you. Perhaps I should spend more time linking to wikipedia articles by Bertrand Russell, or books like "Fifty Degrees Below Zero", which though fictional, express very intelligent suggestions relating to scientific knowledge, public awareness, and governmental policy.
Now, if you'd like to go ahead and reword and improve upon my over all message, which is very sound and reasonable, however poorly expressed/worded, please feel free to do so, and make all of you "atheists and unbelievers" look better. Not that I'm sure unbeliever is the proper term for what you were trying to express.
rhY
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
Arguing about 'terms' like that is ridiculous, almost as bad as the argument that 'master' and 'slave' are politically incorrect when used to refer to hard drives.
(Personally, I think 'pimp' and 'ho' might be put forward as alternatives).
I used both terms deliberately to draw attention to the negative aspects of *both* parties; ie that both the Americans and the Chinese (governments) are (in effect) *colluding* to screw with the Korean people and to keep them under control.
Like a 'good cop/bad cop' routine where China is bad cop to South Korea, good cop to the North and vice versa for America.
In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
I think there should be an international treaty banning all lethal weapons without a brain attached to the trigger.
In what way must the brain be attached? Would duct tape work? How about staples?
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
If they capture one, that's some fancy state-of-the-art equipment they'll get.
Sendou Wave Kick!!
"People are not stupid for believing in one or many gods."
Would I be stupid for believing in the Easter Bunny?
If so, then what's the difference?
very few armies still use them (use of anti-tank mines is still considered ok)
Except on the Korean peninsula, where the only two armies that matter regionally both still use them heavily, particularly within the DMZ.
I'm not sure that the opinions of the rest of the world are really having any effect, or are particularly relevant, there.
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
How much is the down-payment?
Where do I sign?
-- I have monkeys in my pants.
Why couldn't this unit be modified to call in artillery if the attacking force appeared to be overwhelming? It could upload the fire mission to guns that can also fire with a minimum of manual intervention. It's all about not exposing your soldiers to enemy fire.
Not only that, but these guns could themselves be "called in" by other external sensors.
I'd imagine that they would be most effective when deployed as part of a deep network of sensors. The 'gun' would use these sensors as its eyes and ears, and would use them when selecting and engaging targets, even if a particular target wasn't visible from the gun itself (not that you can do a whole lot of accurate indirect fire with a 5.56mm machine gun). Perhaps more importantly, a network of these guns would allow them to be coordinated, and engage targets in concert -- working together far more skillfully than would even be possible for teams of discrete human shooters with radio communication.
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
I thought it was hilarious, Samsung teched up to age 5 and did robotic sentry research..
Meanwhile their enemys just sent wave after wave of human targets at them. Samsung wins through tech! RTS masters!
I do appreciate your point, and I dont want to argue with you. Its just not right to slander people with words like those.
Have a great day though.
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Agreed.
Debatable.
That's irrelevant. The usefulness of knowledge comes from our ability to use that knowledge to predict the likely consequences of various actions before we commit ourselves to those actions. Knowledge that comes from religion can't be used to make better-than-random predictions. However, religion can cause people to think they can make better predictions than they actually can, i.e. it gives them a false sense of security. It can also make people unnecessarily vulnerable to con men disguised as holy people.
What? You just said that we can't know. Now you say that we will?
That's a rather large generalization. Evidence?
http://outcampaign.org/
Well they're not going to sell you just one, silly. The minimum quantity is probably five or ten, so there's your million right there.
...
And that's before you get into spare parts, maintenance contracts, training
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
This makes me wonder how long it'll be until this sort of tech gets miniaturized enough to fit on a portable gun, so we end up with people toting Aliens-style M56 Smart Guns. You could imagine it being coupled with some sort of friendly-fire deterrence system like they use with aircraft.
The music halfway through the promo video is rather a surprising choice. Did they steal it from the Master and Commander soundtrack? Anyone know where it's from?
However, religion can cause people to think they can make better predictions than they actually can, i.e. it gives them a false sense of security. It can also make people unnecessarily vulnerable to con men disguised as holy people.
Sure. But I can sell dirt to homeless people, and I'm not religious. And I know plenty of nonreligious people who think they can "make better predictions than they actually can." Overconfident and/or stupid people and all that.
What? You just said that we can't know. Now you say that we will?
I said that we cannot prove whether a deity or deities exist. But I figure we'll have some inkling after we die, yes?
That's a rather large generalization. Evidence?
Experience. Your mileage may vary.
"You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
Watch your house on Easter. See if the Easter Bunny comes. It won't come (unless you are not your average Slashdotter and have a girlfriend who also happens to be a bit strange that way).
Now try to observe something to conclude God doesn't exit.
I am an atheist--but I don't delude myself into thinking that I know for sure that a god or gods don't exist. And next time, why not post under your username?
"You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
The site where the link on that post directs tries to install Error Safe spyware to your computer... IE 6.0 --> it doesn't even bother to ask... But freaky stuff... And I just bought Samsung television so I gave money to develop that kind of **it... :(
We can google for these?
I think we can keep recursing like this until someone returns 1
First off, I'm not an atheist, so your insecurities about how you may look given my anti-religion tirade are completely unfounded.
/. where an undecided person may be swayed into considering a more rational perspective. Religion is for idiots, and it's time for the bulk of humanity (especially in a democracy, where the bulk's intelligence can make important decisions effecting everyone) to see it as such.
Strange, I don't recall ever saying you were an atheist. I do recall saying that people like you make people like me, who do not appear demonstrably different to most people, look bad. Don't put words in my mouth.
Secondly, you can make a point without being demeaning and assuming anything about my age.
But you cannot make a point without calling people stupid, okay, I got it. So how old are you?
Believing in things without evidence of any kind is always stupid.
I personally don't believe in God; the lack of positive evidence in favor of God's existence is my reason. But I cannot, and will not try to, prove a negative.
I have no insecurities in MY beliefs, because I only believe that which is proven. I can make educated guesses about the rest, and debate them for fun, but BELIEVING them would be stupid, and trying to convert other people to made-up or unproven beliefs would be doubly so.
Then prove that God does not exist. As I just said--a negative cannot be proven. And if we are assuming the omnipotent, omniscient Christian God is the one up for discussion, you lose by default. Said omnipotent god could choose not to be visible to his creations, and we'd never know the wiser.
You would not be arguing so angrily if you were not insecure about your beliefs.
While it so happens that I agree with you on the subject, your immediate conviction is disturbing. You begin in rational territory--disbelieving in a god or gods because it cannot be proven is a perfectly valid choice, and my own as well--and then jump off into deep space. You cannot prove that it does not exist; those who believe cannot prove that it does.
As to bitching and whining, I would say that is a waste of time.
Good, I agree completely. So we both understand that that means you'll shut up now.
Arguing however may be essential, especially in public places like
I do not think that it is necessarily the case that science and religion are natural opposites. In fact, I think that there is a very close connection between the two. Further, I think that science without religion is lame and, conversely, that religion without science is blind. Both are important and should work hand-in-hand. - Albert Einstein
I would argue that Galileo, Copernicus, and Brahe were not "idiots." I would further point to men such as Dr. Kenneth Miller as examples of those who are certainly not "idiots," yet are devout religious people. And while I am certainly not saying that they are right because they are experts in one field or another (argumentum ad verecundiam) So...okay, where are your credentials? What makes you any less of an "idiot" then they are?
I'm not alone in some of these ideas, and I'm sorry that I do not express them eloquently enough for you. Perhaps I should spend more time linking to wikipedia articles by Bertrand Russell, or books like "Fifty Degrees Below Zero", which though fictional, express very intelligent suggestions relating to scientific knowledge, public awareness, and governmental policy.
I don't particularly care for Russell; he sounds alarmingly like you. Fifty Degrees Below (which I read when it came out--I assume this is what you mean, because Amazon has never heard of a book called Fifty Degrees Below Zero) was a decent read, though hackneyed as all hell (here's a hint: there's lots of science fiction out there that deals with "clear-sighted scientists who must overcome
"You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
The NRA say's it's part of the constitution.
Will the super soaker corp produce a non leathal one to?
In the not too distant future, next Sunday A.D.
and the NRA says it's in the constitution!
(will there be a super soaker version?)
In the not too distant future, next Sunday A.D.
Just imagine it runs Windows - best not give it too much ammo or you won't be able to get near it for service if it needs an update..
:-).
"20 seconds to comply" is thus obviously no longer SF
Insert
I'm not just throwing around random insults. If you believe in unproven and especially disproved things, you are in fact an idiot. So by simple definition, MOST religious people (all billions of them) are in fact idiots.
I mean, if you truly believe that some guy died for your sins 2,000 years ago and that your belief in him somehow will be your salvation "in the next life", or in some made up location like "heaven" or "hell", which clearly we have absolutely no evidence for, then you ARE in very simple terms, a moron.
Lots of people believe the earth is flat. What do you call them?
Now, there is a possibility in some backwards cultures and societies that these believers are in fact ignorant and not morons, but with the advent of the internet, at least in most countries where you have access to so much knowledge for free (wikipedia, etc.), ignorance is no excuse, and in fact if you REMAIN ignorant, that is in itself a form of idiocy.
Stop defending ignorant people who willfully refuse to accept the reality they live in. They are idiots, and they're hurting themselves, their families, the planet, and most of the good things that humanity and individuals IN humanity have achieved over the last few millennia. It's inexcusable. Stop defending them. They are idiots, by the very definition of the word.
rhY
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
No, you would be getting free candy from your parents, which is maybe not ethical due to the deception, but I wouldn't call it "stupid" per se.
Now believing in god with no benefit whatsoever to yourself or anyone else? Now THAT is just plain stupid.
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
Invading North Korean soldier
or South Korean Soldier (or just a tourist) who lost one's way........
Clippy:
"It looks like you're intruding South Korea.
Would you like a perfect headshot?
*Get shot immediately.
*Run still a bit and get shot then.
[ ] Don't ask again."
"Hannibal's plans never work right. They just work." Amy/A-Team
Welp while a certain level of anger and rage is present in said post. I've gotta say... I agree. Religions are the problem. And I'm sick and tired of this attitude of "Oh we have to respect your religion even if you're attempting to forcefeed it to us or kill us for being infidels." When the Muslims rioted and burned cars and buildings and Embassies, Europe and the US both sat on their hands. We tried to placate these people(religous whackjobs.. not muslims in particular). At the point in time when people are BURNING embassies it should be pretty damn obvious that we're in a cultural war between religion and... well... the rest of us. I've gotta say I believe in many of the "Western" world ideals. I could do with a bit less greed and a bit more compassion for ones fellow man but the basic premise of things is on the right track. As a simple example... in most of europe and the americas women get a much much fairer shake than they do in the more religious communities(well mainly religions of the "book" aka judaism, christianity and islam). THIS IS A GOOD THING(tm). Sure the western world is flawed but we also don't have female circumcisions, women forced to wear covers with penalty of death or mobs of people killing others for things they don't like with impugnity. I'm not religious... even if I were a christian I still wouldn't be religious. Belief\faith in something is fine... whatever gets you through the day... but when you start telling me what has to get me through the day it's time to fight. Too many people are just willing to let these religious zealots and bullies roll over them or to sit quietly and hope the problem will just go away. It won't and we need to stop placating people. Tell them to shut up.. Tell them to get the hell out of schools, government, politics or whatever the hell else they want to control.
Just for the sake of fairness when the orthodox jews recently rioted about a gay pride parade they should have been rounded up and charged to the fullest extent of the law for destruction of property and disturbing the peace. I mean hell last year they stabbed someone for being homosexual.. How crazy is that.. I mean really what right does anyone have to determine your sexuality... If you're not sexually involved with that person... the answer is none.
I don't care what you say, all I need is my Wumpabet soup.
No. But that kind of politically correct tolerance does. It takes only cursory look of medias over the years to see that many many leaders use the god/faith-card to make stupid sheeple do their bidding.
That is irrelevant. Violence, forced fairytales of ID and others, hiding of everyday matters like sex must stop. Religious nutjobs who can't keep their insanity to themselves and STFU must be stopped.
Preserve old classics: copy your collection onto all hard drives.
Realistically the land mine treaty is a waste of time. Mines will not be abolished from the battlefield for the forseeable future because they are an extremely effective weapon. Here you have a simple device that can be deployed by minimally skilled troops, it is cheap to manufacture, hard to detect and neutralize and can be deployed from aircraft with great speed for rapid denial-of-terrain as the US military likes to call it. Of all the things that tank commanders fear, they fear mines the most. You can see or detect another tank or a helicopter before it strikes, you can even stand a chance to evade, detect or even destroy and LGB or a missile with a counter measures system but a mine the tank commander can't see or detect rapidly in combat. The same pretty much goes for the infantry, they fear few things as much as mines and snipers. Here is an object that costs what? $50 to manufacture that has the power to scare the shit out of the crew of an M1 Abrams tank that costs $4.3 millon to make and better yet it stands a very good chance of destroying it. You can't beat that combination in terms of value-for-money. Trying to ban mines, land or naval, will go the same way that the various attempts back in the 1930s to outlaw the areal bombing of civillians. It is deplorable, but unfortunately also true.
How exactly am I making atheists bad, since I don't profess to be one?
/. where an undecided person may be swayed into considering a more rational perspective.
Here's a more detailed analysis (from my blog):
More on Atheism, Religion, and the infinity of human stupidity.
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Well, I have a tendency towards the vitriolic online, which is natural I suppose, given the vast body of online experience I've achieved over the last decade (I was on BBS systems even before the Internet EXISTED), but I'm going to try to tone it down and be completely reasonable for a minute.
Of course there is no way to disprove the idea of a god or gods. Neither is there a way to prove their existence, either. Hence, believing either that none exist or that there is definitively one or more is demonstrably stupid.
Believing in things without evidence of any kind is always stupid.
Is the world flat?
Is there an Easter Bunny?
Is the earth a giant egg hatched from a Condor?
Does believing one or all of those make you stupid?
I have no insecurities in MY beliefs, because I only believe that which is proven. And I'm proud to say, that if something I believe is unproven, I'm quick to change what I believe. I can make educated guesses about the rest, and debate them for fun, but BELIEVING them would be stupid, and trying to convert other people to made-up or unproven beliefs would be doubly so.
As to bitching and whining, I would say that is a waste of time. Arguing however may be essential, especially in public places like
Religion (in particular the belief without evidence kind) is for idiots, and it's time for the bulk of humanity (especially in a democracy, where the bulk's intelligence can make important decisions effecting everyone) to see it as such. Too long have all of us suffered under crusades, against moral judgments, ancient superstitions, ethics given by rote that are in themselves unethical. It is time, nay, it is WAY PAST TIME, to start living our lives, leading our plans and families, based on a scientifically proven linear of what is best for the greatest amount of people at any given time. And yes, I would argue that future generations are potentially THE GREATEST amount of people, and that should be weighed accordingly.
I'm not alone in some of these ideas, and I'm sorry that I do not express them eloquently enough. Perhaps I should spend more time linking to wikipedia articles by Bertrand Russell, or books like "Fifty Degrees Below Zero", which though fictional, express very intelligent suggestions relating to scientific knowledge, public awareness, and governmental policy. Perhaps I should take the hours and years that it would to debunk the ludicrous claims made by nearly every religion on the planet. Maybe I should just throw my hands in the air and claim that we can't even prove OUR OWN existence.
But I see our existence. I see the lives and deaths of people all over the planet. I see the petty religious squabbles. I see the petty race squabbles. I see the petty ageism squabbles. Frankly, I'm over it.
If something is right for a great many people, and even if it may inconvenience a few, or even disrupt them in the most ultimate way (death, prison, genetic eradication), by god (or more importantly, by the good of all living things), let's do it.
Our economy runs on the basis that "optimally" 5% of the population be unemployed in order to lower wages. WTF?!? That means that roughly 20 million people in this country are EXPECTED to be unemployed. That's not a system. That's human misery. That's straight up BULLSHIT. The average American worker makes less than 40% of the profit that he or she delivers to her company. That is highway robbery.
You, my friends, family, fuck it, even my enemies and people I hate, are getting screwed.
You're getting screwed by corrupt idiots that would step on their own mothers
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
Oh man! Both the look of the robot and the intro is just like an episode of Macgyver!
When the Mormons come to my door, all I have to tell them is "I used to be a member, ordained priest, even. Not interested, thanks though." It's honest, and it's the only thing that works. I suppose something along the same lines would work against the Jehova's Witnesses as well, but offering them my Mormon scriptures is much more fun.
Never eat more than you can lift -- Miss Piggy
According to Wikipedia 'the DMZ is devoid of humans' (except for two small villages) and so the DMZ is a good environment to apply Pattern Recognition (everything with two legs gets shoot). PR would have some difficulty to work in an Iraqi village where not even real humans can distinguish between terrorists and civilians (imagine a PR classifier like 'everything with facial hair will be shot').
I appreciate it, but I had to laugh out loud for real since it was an Anonymous Coward. Something about a standing ovation from an Anonymous Coward is funny.
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
> Of course there is no way to disprove the idea of a god or gods. Neither is there a way to
> prove their existence, either. Hence, believing either that none exist or that there is
> definitively one or more is demonstrably stupid.
There is no way disprove that a small apple pie is in orbit around Jupiter. Neither is there a way to prove it exists. Nonetheless, I believe that there isn't one. Disbelieving in entities based on lack of evidence is called Occam's razor, and is a part of the scientific method. You may call it stupid if it makes you feel better (I don't care), but the scientific method and Occam's Razor has served us well, so I believe in them. They key, of course, is to be willing to readjust your beliefs when new evidence turn up.
In my world view, neither theism or atheism are stupid. There are plenty of evidence (in the form of miracles) for the existence of gods. The quality of the evidence is debatable though. Some are impressed with the atheism, and thus believe in gods. Some think little of it, and take the default position in lack of evidence, which is disbelief.
And finally some are not bright enough to understand why others can reach different conclusions based on the same evidence than they themselves do, and resort to calling everybody else stupid. It is the Homer Simpson position: "Everybody does everything because they are stupid". Very popular on the net.
Yep, I've just found the ideal tool to give me peace on Sunday afternoons. How quickly do you think the Jahovas will take off with that in your front yard?
You sound very uncertain of your beliefs. I think you are struggling with the fact that God loves all of us (including you) and you cannot comprehend the concept of such unselfish love.
....MOST LIKELY NEVER EXISTED, certainly not in the way your institutions are attempting to teach you.
.. that most certainly doesn't exist, definitely not in the way they envision, in which case if he DID exist, ...
Before you start ranting and raving about what an idiot I am take a look at your own words :
Both of these statements clearly show that you do believe in a god of some sort, but it's somehow different than what institutions are teaching or the way you envision it.
The great thing about believing in God is that you can find your own image of what God is to you. It's OK to feel uncomfortable with various types of religion. Find your own image/view of God and speak to God, it's as simple as that. Just speak to God and say "thank you God for understanding me and loving me. I want you to be a part of my life. Please help me to learn more about you.".
prepare to revert, hackaday has an autogun project hmmmm time to Mcguyver the camera tripod!
In the not too distant future, next Sunday A.D.
Best short reply on /. in ages.
First you say: First off, I'm not an atheist,
Then you say I have no insecurities in MY beliefs, because I only believe that which is proven.
and then: Religion is for idiots, and it's time for the bulk of humanity to see it as such.
Im not attacking your arguement or supporting it, im just confused becuase you seem to contridict yourself.
unzip; strip; touch; finger; mount; fsck; more; yes; unmount; sleep
...bad people do bad things and good people don't.
In a world *with* organised religion bad people still do bad thing and good people do bad things in the name of religion.
clicked on the link and it tries to install some activeX crapware. How 'bout using the machine gun on that kind of threat?
10 ?"Hello World" life was simple then
Ok, so maybe my post was a bit of a rant, but at least I'm not throwing curse words around, in the voice of God, guessing at people's sexual preference (wrongly), while posing as omnipotent, and also, posting as an Anonymous Coward.
/. ID so we can see all of your profound earthly achievements that are somehow vastly superior to the violin career I've sweated over for more than a decade. And it's LeperKhanz all one word. If you're going to give me press (shitty is still good, according to some), at least do it in a way that is valuable and allows people to google it. Actually, here, god, check out my violin:
God:
If you are so bad ass, use a real
http://cdbaby.com/cd/leperkhanz
Proceed with the gay bashing comments and such. I'm here with my name and FACE online, completely unafraid of you, or any other deity impostor. And I'm proud of my achievements and can take a healthy dose of criticism on my way to hell, where I'll laugh at you for pretending to be superior, when it's obviously me who has a better sense of humor.
Nice troll, though. I mean, minus the unnecessary and clearly uneducated over use of cussing and vehement stupidity.
rhY
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
Did anybody else follow the links which point to the source of the article?
o ps_machine_gun_sentry_robot_costs_200k.php
m sungs-200000-machine-gun-sentry-robot
- Korea-Develops-Machine%11Gun-Sentry-Robot/
0 928-042215-5882r
The original slashdot story link
http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/samsung_devel
which has a link to a story
http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/sa
which in turn links to
http://www.gorobotics.net/The-News/Military/South
that has a link to probably to the original story at
http://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=2006
by AFP
The original doesn't have an image nor video but as story it's far better than the article (rip off) mentioned in slashdot story.
Ok, so while University students in most countries, including the US, occupy themselves in mostly peaceful research, the Korean students are building ED209??? I thought university students are, or at least ought to be, the most idealistic group. I guess I am wrong...
No. The only logical choice given the evidence is to be agnostic. With neither proof or lack of proof to prove or disprove the concept of a supreme being that somehow dictates reality, I have to choose simply to not know.
Now some atheists and science types will claim Occam's razor, but I'm never quick to rush to judgment like that.
Simply stated: We do not know enough about our Universe and it's structure to assume anything about it's meaning and origins.
Anybody who tells you otherwise is fooling themselves with wishful thinking.
If "God" or some other prehistoric human invention showed up in the flesh tomorrow and held a press conference, well then, I would have no problem acknowledging his/her/their/it's existence(s).
Until that happens, or further scientific inquiry somehow fully disproves the notion, pretending to know either way is the grossest form of irrationality, and purely the domain of the idiot, which, funnily enough, our species seems to have no small genius in propagating.
I'm no arrogant ass, either. I'm one of the idiots like most of us. I just happen not to be an idiot with regards to THIS topic. Any of my ex-girlfriends would surely have no problems pointing out a myriad of various other idiocies that I am quite guilty of, however.
rhY
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
Why didn't they just ask these guys how to do it?
I'm not insecure about anything relating to philosophy or religion. There is the known and the unknown. God is a comforting idea, to some (though the various visages that organized religion seems to create for him/she/them/it are truly horrific more often than not), however he/she/they/it have absolutely no evidence to having ever existed. Therefore I don't believe that he/she/they/it exists OR doesn't exist.
I'm completely comfortable being honest about it and saying, "I have no idea."
However the evidence at hand clearly disproves most of organized religion.
If god showed up, and had a press conference or something, well then, I might be his biggest fan. Until he does, I refuse to acknowledge the idea as anything more than a remote possibility.
You can believe in him if you want, but unless you have actually seen or heard him (in which case I would still argue hallucination, or wishful thinking), I will call you an idiot for believing in that which has no substantive evidence.
Now, I'm an idiot in lots of other ways, so you shouldn't take it too hard. Hell, most of my friends and family are idiots too, on some level, and that doesn't mean I don't love them and am completely capable of having them over for dinner, or sharing a few beers and laughs.
But I'll be the first to tell them that believing in ANY fairy tale, be it ancient and Jewish or otherwise, is infinitely foolish, and demonstrably at least one aspect of what does in fact make the vast populace on this planet: A bunch of idiots.
rhY
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
There is no way to prove conclusively that a deity or deities exist or do not.
Actually for the most part there is. The reason it does not appear this way is that, if you create a god that can be tested for, since there isn't a god, your god will eventually be proven not to exist and your religion will disappear. Only religions that describe their god in ways that are untestable have survived the ages. Take a look at all current "modern religions", they all include the same qualities, god isn't around or is "everywhere", you cannot test god, "god works in mysterious ways", basically totally disconnected from your life, and you will never get to meet god until after you die. (makes it kinda hard to get back confirmation reports, eh?) If you look back in history for most of these religions you will find that they have undergone a lot of change over the ages, and if you dig enough you will find that they too had additional aspects earlier that would not have survived scrutiny, and so those aspects were deleted from the religion to keep it viable.
I recall someone telling me that they had studied a religion that as one of its main tennants had specified the exact day that the world was to end, and sadly they didn't pick like 2 million AD or something, they picked a much more "achievable" date. When the date came and went, that pretty much finished out that religion. heh... now there's a priest that didn't think ahead.
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
These would definitly solve our immigration problems on the US southern border. Screw fences.
No, because they have never proven it's impossible for a fairy to exsist nor that they wouldn't collrct teeth for some reason or other.
I like muppets.
It is my humble opinion that many idiots can be geniuses at the same time, in varying fields and to varying degrees.
Einstein is another classic example (By many accounts I'm sure as a violinist I've got him bested, but even attempting to logically wrap my head around concepts of advanced physics, gravity, and electro-magnetism could send me into convulsions of idiocy).
Some days I like to think we all are. I for one completely rule at Mario Kart, and yet can have a difficult time preparing a meal that tastes in any way different than a pile of fetid oozing horse shit.
I'm sure you can find various examples of this dichotomy in all people's lives. I just don't feel that on the topic of religion, I'm quite as idiotic as the vast majority. Now on other topics (economics, the previously mentioned culinary arts, sub-atomic physics, patience with religious idiocy), I'm quite sure that I'm sub-par at best. That's part of what makes our huge human variety so awesome, and yet tragic at the same time.
rhY
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
My Korean is a little weak here to help me out: can this thing tell the difference between, say, a human being and a sasquatch? What about a human being and a really tall raccoon?
In other words, are these little buggers going to take out every squirrel in Korean as corollary to their mission to bring god to the shameless pantheists of Caprica?
Answer me now! You have five seconds to comply. Four seconds...three seconds...
These stories are free but worth money.
A very valid point. We do not know either way, and I'm willing to say for the moment that it IS a possibility, however I'm willing to wager with you that it will never be proven in our lifetimes that they do in fact exist. In fact, given the overwhelming lack of evidence supporting THAT idea, I'm going to assume that they don't.
Still though, I'm not going to rule it out completely until I see conclusive evidence one way or the other.
rhY
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
Secondly, you can make a point without being demeaning and assuming anything about my age.
Indeed. He could only judge you based upon your apparent age as reflected by your post. In case you are old enough to have had the opportunity to grow up and learn some manners -but apparently didn't- well all the worse I would say.
Bear in mind that you imply that e.g. Einstein and many others were idiots. Not "of another opinion than yours", but idiots.
Is it just me - or does this thing look like a cross between an ED-2909 from robocop, and the automated sentry device that they had in Aliens - with the Pirates of the Carribean soundtrack overlaid?
The cellphones came from the communicators of Star Trek. Future interfaces from Minority Report. What next? Food hydrogenators from Back to the Future?!
Why does it need to move to look around? This makes it a bit more humanoid and opens up the possibility for James Bond to sneak past when it is not watching, but wouldn't it be easier to have multiple fixed cameras to cover all directions? This would also eliminate the need to filter out the robot's own movement and make detection of moving objects easier.
First they think we're made of bacon, and now they can track and shoot us.
It's apparent you have NOT been in this situation. I have... and I assure you that doorbell kept ringing and ringing and ringing... hell if I stopped to find out who it was...
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Too much coffee dear?
Regards,
Nick
Will you PLEASE F off with the Fing beta now?
While I've never served in the military myself, I have seen a good deal of the ribbing that goes on. At my last job, two of my bosses were former Navy, and they spent a good deal of time ragging on the Marines and the Army.
Of course it wasn't all fun and games. A lot of it was pretty harsh, and while the older guy was clearly joking, the younger of the two had some real hostility issues with the Marines.
"Live Free or Die." Don't like it? Then keep out of the USA
*Don't put words in my mouth.
Didn't mean to, sorry!
*But you cannot make a point without calling people stupid, okay, I got it. So how old are you?
29. Not that age is generally relevant in any debate on any topic. I can make a point without calling people stupid. However, in this instance, when we are discussing people believing in invisible men in the sky who are omnipotent, and yet are never heard, seen, smelled, touched, or otherwise witnessed by humanity (at least not demonstrably in a way that I find satisfactory), the term idiot is certainly relevant. In the rare cases when it is not (I can envision situations where ignorant might be a better term), it is still completely valid to call somebody an idiot WITH REGARDS TO THIS TOPIC.
It is my humble opinion that many idiots can be geniuses at the same time, in varying fields and to varying degrees.
Some days I like to think we all are. I for one completely rule at Mario Kart, and yet can have a difficult time preparing a meal that tastes in any way different than a pile of fetid oozing horse shit.
I'm sure you can find various examples of this dichotomy in all people's lives. I just don't feel that on the topic of religion, I'm quite as idiotic as the vast majority. Now on other topics (economics, the previously mentioned culinary arts, sub-atomic physics, patience with religious idiocy), I'm quite sure that I'm sub-par at best. That's part of what makes our huge human variety so awesome, and yet tragic at the same time.
*I personally don't believe in God; the lack of positive evidence in favor of God's existence is my reason. But I cannot, and will not try to, prove a negative.
Ok. I don't believe anything about the topic, because I think we lack the fundamental knowledge about all of reality that would allow us a clear vision on the issue. I definitely see plenty of evidence however to disprove most of the "god" theory set forth by most of organized religion.
*Then prove that God does not exist. As I just said--a negative cannot be proven. And if we are assuming the omnipotent, omniscient Christian God is the one up for discussion, you lose by default. Said omnipotent god could choose not to be visible to his creations, and we'd never know the wiser.
I'm not attempting to prove or disprove the unknown, with no evidence. That is idiotic. I simply do not know, and further, lack the scientific mind to attempt to discover in this area. I can however state, with certainty, that as professed by judeo-christianity, the classical definition of god as explained to me by the various western churches and church goers that I have discussed it with, THAT god most certainly does not exist. It is a logical impossibility. Furthermore, I would also state based on archaeological evidence most of the Jesus story is either highly inaccurate, fabricated, or simply an enormous series of "typos" off some random papyrus scrolls. The only redeeming thing about the whole book or concept is that at one point, he suggested people be nice to each other, and limit what they would pay in taxes. I agree with both of those ethical concepts, but it does not change the rest of the fallacies in "The Good Book". Much less the earlier chapters condoning genocide and all manner of ass-holishness and, I'll say it again: Idiocy.
*You would not be arguing so angrily if you were not insecure about your beliefs.
Actually, I'm not that angry right now. As to the concept of religion in general, it would be inhuman not to become visibly upset and angry at the atrocities and ignorance that religion has wrought upon humanity. If my earlier rant was vehement, it was because of pictures I've seen of children and other innocents in every part of the world suffering, dying, starving, being tortured, being brainwashed, and basically having all purpose (in MY view) to life removed, and often life itself. I would very much like to beat the teeth right out of nearly every religious leader alive today, because I have litt
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
As entertaining as is the UA 571-C Sentry Gun, we all learned early on that nuking the site from orbit is the only way to be sure.
It was green tea and honey. You've discovered me! :P
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
Wrong. Believing in something without evidence of any kind is fine, so long as you are prepared to change your view when some real evidence comes into play. If there is no evidence, then it might as well be true for all you know.
Ever heard of empiricist philosophy? It's largely based around the idea that humans have gained all their knowledge through observation and habit. For example, we have observed that the shortest path between two points is a straight line. How do we know that works for all situations? How do we know that that logic won't change overnight?
My point is that we really haven't proven anything. We can say that, based upon our observations, God cannot exist, but it isn't proof. Not to mention, he would be above the system, so to speak, if he did.
WHY is it stupid? Why is believing something is false so stupid? Especially if the belief is harmless and can help you deal with life and be happy? What do you want from life? Happiness or absolute truth? I can tell you, the odds of you finding the latter are about as implausible as God existing.
If you think, as many people do, that religion is about believing in false deities, then you are wrong. That is a small sideshow. Religion is a set of laws, designed to guide people into sensible decisions without the need for a police force. Nowadays, society has changed, and many of the old laws are now outdated, but more still are still relevant. Most of our laws, and our morals and ideas, are based upon old religious morals and ideals. Society owes religion so much, yet now we cry "Religion is for idiots", not taking into account how much better we are for it.
You know, there is a difference between trolling and pointing out the flaws in your reasoning. Just saying.
I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit.
It's the only way to be sure.
-- javaDragon is an instance of JavaDragon.
Somebody made the same point above, and this was my response there as well:
It is my humble opinion that many idiots can be geniuses at the same time, in varying fields and to varying degrees.
Einstein is another classic example (By many accounts I'm sure as a violinist I've got him bested, but even attempting to logically wrap my head around concepts of advanced physics, gravity, and electro-magnetism could send me into convulsions of idiocy).
Some days I like to think we all are. I for one completely rule at Mario Kart, and yet can have a difficult time preparing a meal that tastes in any way different than a pile of fetid oozing horse shit.
I'm sure you can find various examples of this dichotomy in all people's lives. I just don't feel that on the topic of religion, I'm quite as idiotic as the vast majority. Now on other topics (economics, the previously mentioned culinary arts, sub-atomic physics, patience with religious idiocy), I'm quite sure that I'm sub-par at best. That's part of what makes our huge human variety so awesome, and yet tragic at the same time. Potential for genius, potential for idiocy, often in one tidy package!
rhY
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
In the nuclear age, tolerating the ignorance that goes on due to religion is extremely dangerous. Look at the current situation we have with our own idiotic carpet muncher, and that bearded carpet muncher in Iran. None of this is cool. One of these idiots is going to claim that god told them to push the launch button.
We should have zero tolerance for these kind of people, particularly in positions of power.
I wouldn't argue that religion hasn't done something for us at some point in the past. But this is not the past. We need a "Best for all living things" approach now, and none of the religions or prehistoric dogmas are really up for that job. Science and reason are though. We just need to make them a bit more popular. Or wait for the gulf stream to stall, Europe and the Eastern US freeze, and then let it popularize itself.
I for one would very much like to get people on board with reason and off the sinking ship of religion NOW, and save a lot of lives (both human, and human food-stock as well) before some catastrophe like either of the two plausible ones I've outlined happen first.
God and Oil have had their day. Let's give science and solar a chance and see if it gets any better.
rhY
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
When I'm having sex, I don't answer the door. If the house were on fire, I might let firemen in, so long as they don't take pictures, but this is sex, we're talking about. Like Christmas, it only comes one day a year, and I'm not stopping for anything.
As for the religious thing, don't you think you are taking it too far? If you can't respect the beliefs of others, or their right to argue their point, then how can you expect them to do the same for you?
.. after reading most of the comments, it seems that the only thing these guns would be effective at, is killing off those North Koreans who do try to escape to South.
Remeber guys, incase of a lightning strike, number five is our friend
It has a sophisticated pattern recognition which can detect the difference between humans and trees
In other news, North Korea unveiled today their new camouflage suit that would allow troops to be mistaken by anyone for genuine trees.
You just got troll'd!
How'd you like to be one of the developers on this? Every system has some errors and has to be debugged.
"Hmmm... when I turn it off, it's not sending the confirmation that it's been deactivated. Go see what's wrong with it."
"You 'go see what's wrong with it'"
"I'm in charge here!"
"Where's Jennings? How come I haven't seen him at work since the last malfunction?"
"I said go!"
"I quit"
Can anyone tell me how to set my sig on Slashdot?
I got scared off by the defenses that TFA through at me. I had to retreat.
Do not mistake understanding for realization, and do not mistake realization for liberation
I'd disagree - Christianity for example is testable. It makes a variety of claims (like prophets stopping the sun) which can be disproven (e.g. by finding no mentioning of this event in other cultures). (Lots of other things like age of the world, creation of animals etc.) It's contradictory in itself, too - hence can not be true as a whole in the first place. Yet you can see that many people continue believing, even going out of their way to avoid knowledge of their supposed core religious text (how many Christians actually read the bible?) just to avoid facing the contradictions. People continue believing since this belief is important to them, a key point of world view, because it makes them feel safe and part of a community and many other reasons like that. Their capacity to put up with their belief being demonstratable false seems high.
Obsolete them.
:)
If you had an affordable, reliable means to detect mines easily and quickly, they would be removed from warfare very quickly.
Of course, they'd be replaced with equally as bad or worse.
..don't panic
So, um, how do you test this thing?
Speak softly and carry a +6 two-handed sword.
...do they fire wildly for a few seconds before shutting off?
i mean COME ON
There isn't going to be much wildlife left after these things start taking out every cat that wanders by.
And if they can tell the difference between a cat and a person, they have another problem:
"Sir, the cast of Cats is attacking the border!"
- For the complete works of Shakespeare: cat
= copyright lawsuit. But don't worry, all they've got to do is reprogram it to shoot the horde of oncoming MPAA/RIAA lawyers.
"You saved 1968." - Ms. Valerie Pringle to the crew of Apollo 8
...self-proclaimed "chosen people" who are somehow smarter...
After reading your post and some of the replies in the thread, I have difficulty understanding in what way you are different. Sure, you're not knocking on doors, but your stated desire to "round 'em ALL up and put 'em in a sandbox", strip them of public office and do violence to people for talking to you puts you in the same category as the worst of them.
In some posts, you say you think {some,all} people are genius and idiot at the same time in different areas, including yourself. However, you seem to view other peoples idiocy as inherently and dramatically worse than yours. This comes across as very arrogant.
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Just the kind of incentive for capture-the-flag games.
... or your own players who aren't pulling their weight :)
... if you are that way inclined ... yourself!
Whoever gets the flag aims the robot. You can target enemy players at their PCs to distract them
Or
--I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
...to the North Koreans. Seriously, pattern recognition software is crap at discerning humans who are attempting to not look like humans. This isn't a security apparatus (current video analytics software is an augmentor not a replacement for traditional security), it is an anti-invasion tool. If you install a few hundred of these along the DMZ and the north invades, turn the key to 'Pasteurize' and they'll kill anything remotely human.
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SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
You have never been mid-thrust in an awesome sexual encounter when the doorbell rings, and some smarmy ass-hole in Sunday best is at the door telling you about their imaginary man in the sky, and how he can save your soul.
And you have? Come on, this is Slashdot. Righty doesn't count.
Is that your only problem? I hate the telephone and cell phone. On any given night 2-4 out of these call: my mom calls, her mom calls, her dad calls, her sister calls, her girl scout leader calls, her bunco group calls, her preacher's wife calls, or her friends call and the resulting converstation lasts anywhere from 30min to 1 and 30 min. Mid thrust? You have time to make it to mid thrust? Good/great sex takes a good 1-1.5 hours playing around in bed first. Any phone call during that time is a major turn off and resets her back to not turned on. Why is it that "adults" think that its o.k. to call family/friends as soon as the kids are asleep anywhere from 8-9 going all the way to 10:30 or 11. Oh if I only had door to door people on Sundays to worry about I wouldn't even blink. Strangers, I can call the cops and get them banned from my property. I can't do that to family and friends that are trying to be social with my wife during our getting it on time.
Looks like something out of Dr. Who!
sic transit gloria mundi
... that Arnold does the voice for this.
It redefines the term, "Blue Screen of DEATH".
A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything. - Neitzsche
Just a matter of time before The Wrong Person gets hold of one of these! Then we have to make Machine Gun Sentry Robot Eater Robots, and then Machine Gun Sentry Robot Eater Robots Eater Robots, and then...
http://www.tudumo.com - todo list with tags
...I would send it to the webmaster over at TFA. I would have my robot ask the webmaster if they might, please, pretty please, consider removing a few of those ads, else take a few rounds in the head.
I for one can't wait until a few of these babies show up on eBay. So I max out my credit cards...so what? What's the bank going to do, repot my Terminator?
Bwahaha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Ahem.
Soon, my precious. Sooooon.
</creepy satire>
barack to the future?
Do you apply this logic to Santa Claus, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Aphrodite, the teapot in orbit around the Sun, etc?
// MD_Update(&m,buf,j);
The robot also has a speaker to warn the intruder to surrender or get a perfect headshot.
I hope they spent more time debugging this bit of code than OCP did with their model.
I personally have no problem with "Yankee" or "Yanks." I get called a Yank by my Canadian friends all the time, and I call them Canucks in return. For most people, Yank isn't very offensive at all. What matters more is the intent behind it. The classic example is the word "nigger." When one black American says it to another, it is generally meant as a term of endearment or brotherhood, to show solidarity. White Americans have used various other words for the same effect; "buddy" is one of them.
:)
The word itself is generally considered horribly offensive, but when used with brotherly intent and when the person hearing it understands that intent and appreciates the meaning, it is not offensive at all. By contrast, when a white American calls someone a nigger, there are a few possible things that he might intend. One is plain and simple racism; this is bad. Another is an attempt at being brotherly; this is usually seen as idiotic. Finally, when one white person calls another white person a nigger, people just tend to think he's a total moron.
The point really is that the intent matters most. In this case, the original poster seems to agree that his intent was to be a little bit edgy with both Chink and Yank. Another person could have said either or both words with different intent. (That said, I don't know if there's a context in which "chink" is not at least a little bit racist.)
P.S. Don't worry about offending me; it's not easy to do. The only thing I've found even remotely offensive recently was the New Zealand story about accepting text-messaging-style writing on exams. Also, since you are in a fellow former part of the British Empire, go ahead and call us Yanks all you want.
Soon enough we will know.
Really?
Unless God, Buddha, or Xenu shows up and personally makes themselves known on national TV, I doubt we would even find out in death.
When you die you won't know because you won't be around to know the truth.
Even if there is an afterlife, you don't take consciousness (self) with you in a sense and the person you are now and will be until your death will never know or be able to share that knowledge with any living person.
"I am the king of the Romans, and am superior to rules of grammar!"
-Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
Part of this problem with the number "144000" lies in the interpretation for centuries that everybody who is good will go to heaven. That doctrine has been taught by all mainstream christian religions. Obviously, what gives, since at present there are 7 billion on earth.
Through the study of the Bible (again, don't attempt to believe this if you dont' want to, but just read it for explanatory purposes) you get to realize that those 144000 are selected to form a government. Sort of like representatives are elected into the house or senate. They "reign" over the rest of the country. The bible also speaks of earth being a place most people refer to as heaven - paradise, and that one day that paradise will be restored. In that earthly paradise, there bible says will be people that "no man is able to number", meaning an unspecified, large number of people.
You know, many (perhaps most) conflicts in mankind's history have been religiously supported/motivated, or a good mixture of religion and politics. At the same time, narrow, intolerant views like yours (and you have to admit that yours is such a view :) ) also contritube to things like genocide. Scary? No, not really, only scary if more people like you get into position of responsibility/authority/power and act on it.
:)
One of the fundamental problems in interpersonal relationships is assuming everyone is similar to you, thinks similarly to you, or at the very least, SHOULD think like you. That is psychology 101. Translated to a larger magnitude - now you understand why there is such a divide between the Muslim world and the West. It's only recently that I am seeing news articles on attempts to converge the two to get along, learning each other's thinking.
As much as you feel strongly against religion, and express your views, take time to think about the implications of your thinking. I dare sare you would make a great dictator!
The tags for this were: aliens, terminator, robocop, cylons
Not sure why I found that amusing.
I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
I'd by that for a dollar!
Can anyone imagine what would happen if one of these would be lt loose in a busy place like a christmas shopping mall, a crowded airport or atoher place where loads of people are available and unprepared for such a device? Sounds like the perfect massacre tool to me...
Cite?
Hail Eris, full of mischief...
E pluribus sanguinem
A good sniper could take out these suckers from 1000 yards. "Oops! Sorry Mr. South Korea! Very much accident. Cleaning rifle and it go off! Ha Ha! Good thing no one hurt. Not happen again! Haha. Ok bye." And what would a powerful laser do to the vision systems? These acts are not intended as a prelude to invasion, but just to make life expensive for the robot owner.
The Russians have won. They have made the world a cesspool of distrust, greed, fear and hate.
Ahh, Korea - the new "Arsenal of Freedom".
Bah, it's apparent YOU have never been. Women can lose the mood just like that.
Yes, I've had a phone interrupt. Don't remember if I've had a door interrupt, though.
Hail Eris, full of mischief...
E pluribus sanguinem
What if it doesn't want to be switched off?
That's why you turn off the gorram phone ringers and maybe the answering machine if you're expecting to get busy.
Hail Eris, full of mischief...
E pluribus sanguinem
Stalin...yeah. No human has a monopoly on being batshit crazy.
"You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
Reminds me of the part in RoboCop when ED-209 malfunctioned and killed a board member.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ED-209
-b.
Give me a medium ranged sniper rifle with silencer. For about 20$ worth of ammo (match grade), I'll take a couple million dollars worth of robots offline. This isn't a solution, it's a toy. Whoever runs out of money first loses. Keep setting them up, and pass the ammo.
For it to be effective, you need area denial (mines), and human supervision. Ideally, you'll seperate the sensors from the gun, so that the gun can be protected until needed. Also, hide the sensors. If they're not necessarily near the gun, you don't draw attention to it until it's ready to fire. If you really want to mess with someone, have another system on relay that can launch tear gas if it detects a large group of people coming. Add in wire to slow them down and channel them, and you're starting to have a defense. Have humans there with the real defense.
This is a great augmentation to a defense, but if it replaces it, you're going to be overrun soon.
Would you be willing to service one of these if it was broken?
Intron: the portion of DNA which expresses nothing useful.
Unfortunately this would not pass inspection at BattleBots. You are not allowed to have any untethered projectiles.
Tethered projectiles are allowed, but the tether cannot be more than 8 feet long.
And no, you can't use a T.O.W. Missile.
Just cause you never seen God don't assume others have not.
itsatrap
Even if there is an afterlife, you don't take consciousness (self) with you in a sense and the person you are now and will be until your death will never know or be able to share that knowledge with any living person.
How do you know?
"There is no conclusive evidence of life after death. But there is no evidence of any sort against it. Soon enough you will know. So why fret about it?" - Robert Heinlein
"You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
"Disconnect power before servicing."
Someone's been playing too much Splinter Cell at Samsung perhaps? Trust me, all you need to do is throw a flare to defeat the robot gun.
A long while back there was an article about how some rancher in Texas or wherever setup a camera to a rifle so people could hunt online, but aiming and firing remotely. I think South Korea should deploy several remote-access camera/rifles along the DMZ, such that they can be precise and accurately controlled in the North Facing 180. So with all the rifles "controlled" via website, North Korea will be eager to hack into the systems to gain control. With the tech genius that is South Korea, one could hope for rapid advancement of Network Security! ~CYD
//Nothing to see here, please move along.
I was born a Jew and I will die a Jew. Judaism has done so much for me, set me in the right path, and made be a better person. I will not forsaken all my relatives and ancestors who died for a belief. You may take my life, however you will never take my religion from me.
Im confused.
Are you wanting to hunt rabbits by throwing them into the air and letting sentry guns pick them off?
They could use this to guard their border and keep the gringos out!
Avoid Missing Ball for High Score
but then for only $200k, I guess that's to be expected.
Finally! "We is winnin'!"
Since you are very proud of your rational approach to life, you might want to go a step further and investigate a-priori an a-posteriori knowledge. You'll find out that the only things that are provable are the ones that are uninteresting - bachelors are single, and stuff like that. Belief is an intrinsic part of everyone's life, because outside of the mathematical and the semantic, nothing can actually be proven. It can only be inferred with a degree of certainty.
Even though you believe (yes, believe) that your approach is based on rationality, it isn't. Furthermore, you also haven't figured out the reason that religion exists - to provide answers to questions we can't answer, and where the answers provide peace of mind. Your blanket categorization of all things believed as stupid, less than worthy and below you on the totem pole of human quality therefore does cast a bad light on others who might believe similar things, but who do it without the snobbery that you display.
I don't think your approach is wrong, but I think you stopped a little early in your decision making process.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.
OMG, this thing is totally a half life turret. It probably has many counters, and would be more effective against targets who have very limited or no methods of countering such device or in situations where it has the element of surprise, like if it popped up on folks or something. I think it would be best used to augment or to replace many jail security responsibilities, or to be used as indoor automated defenses. Then they need to make the speakers say something like.. "HALT CITIZEN!!"
North Korea invading anyone anywhere else.
I cant see them retaining any invading army the day after they let them out to disperse amongst the world populace.
You think that you can hang on troops who have been fed lies all their lives about the supposed importance of North Korea, only to discover that nobody really gives a shit.
We live a lot better than they do. We want to keep it that way. All of our time and energy is devoted to that...
Fsck North Korea. We're BUSY here and we've got much bigger/smaller worries.
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What about believing in things for which there is lots of credible evidence of various kinds, but no conclusive evidence?
Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.
No not insecure, very secure. The reason that we need to ban religion is that it conditions the mind for compliance, order, and irrational submission to authority. I for one dont want people who are easily susceptible to mind control running around starting wars and killing civvys who believe in a different imaginary ghost or whatever.
For humanities sake we need to end the mass indoctrinate brainwashing that has occured for thousands of years. Religion is a cancer of the lazy stupid minds, and I for one think humanity has been bread to be religious for too long. We really need to get free or die.
I'll just use my special getting high powers one more time...
As a static device anyway, unless it's supported by humans. I'd put money on it that a cheap laser pointer will dazzle the optics. Then you have sheets of cardboard or plywood to hide your shape etc etc etc Never mind stuff like rocket propelled grenades and other simple but effective military goodies.
Lets see some real tests. Fit it with a paintball gun and see how it fairs against some good old human ignorance. I'll bet on the squaddies. Anyone want to suggest odds?
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It's clear that you religious types always try to find weakness and unfulfilled desires to try to find a way to put our mind in child-mode to be able to program us with your superstitions.
You are not an idiot at all. You are a very resourceful and manipulative meme-spreading infectious vector.
But your psicology doesn't work with us.
Go away.
We are Turing O-Machines. The Oracle is out there.
Oh come *on*!
'Chinks' is simply a phonetic abbreviation. You don't mind being referred to as an 'Enzeder', do you? Its not like 'nigger' or 'kike'.
Being bothered by words like that is the sort of thing that causes people to riot over cartoons; its just way oversensitive. If you let things like that bother you, you'll be perpetually bothered, always finding something to annoy you.
In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
Yeah, I've seen God too. I caught Him raiding my fridge a couple days ago.
This sig is neither interesting, nor humorous. Including meta-humor.
I can get 100 L of acetone and peroxide for far less. It's easier to make some TATP high explosives and just blow the people up.
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I can see it now. One mannequin dressed in battle fatigues waved in front of this robo sentry until it runs dry of ammo = $200,000 conversation piece. Maybe we can load Linux onto this thing and program it to vacuum the floor?
The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless: if it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it nor the wise make plans against it.
I am sure the standing army these things are designed to keep out have weaponry which can destroy these things from distances of a mile or more. A simple pair of binoculars would all but neutralize these robots as a threat. Mines, on the other hand, cannot be easily detected from distances of much more than a meter or two, and even when found can be dangerous and time consuming to disarm.
The only advantage to using these robots would be to reduce casualties to those who have accidentally wandered into the DMZ. In all other scenarios, at least those which I can think of, they would be useless against actual threats.
This page describes:
Amateur roboticists (and gunmakers) Aaron and Eric Rasmussen built an autonomous sentry gun as a summer project. Aaron wrote custom software to acquire and track human targets using images recieved from an attached USB webcam. The brothers have incorporated as USMechatronics to begin building sentry guns based on the technology.
More information here on the brothers official sentry gun website.
Religion is simply a form of mental illness. People who are religious have almost certainly had the illness passed on to them by their parents who were probably similarly infected. Rather than despise and revile them, you should feel sorry for them and do what you can to help them see how they've been deceived and how silly and bizarre their beliefs really are. Rather than force them into hiding, talk to them and explain the reality of the world. Be an evangelical atheist, or agnostic if you prefer.
Books like The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins can help, it condenses all of the religious insanity into one book.
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It has a sophisticated pattern recognition which can detect the difference between humans and trees
That's not really good enough. I think there will be a lot of objections over the wildlife that would be targeted and killed. They will have to improve their algorithms to distinguish between animals and humans. Of course, this inevitably leads to a large scale onslaught of North Korean soldiers dressed up as pantomime horses.
I find it funny that the music sounds like it's from one of the Rainbow Six series of games. I suspect it /is/, as opposed to merely being composed by the same people ... .I don't know. :)
Didn't they ever watch Joint Security Area?
The U.S. government should order 100 or so for the wall it's building along U.S.-Mexico border.
Those damn deer won't stand a chance now.
This technology is going to completely revolutionize all sorts of encounters. Sadly (for the US) it will mostly balance in favor of the invaded rather than the invader.
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In the end, this is nearly 100% software, so the cost is going to be minimal--probably less than mines.
Imagine thousands of these $5000 "mines" throughout a city like Baghdad. Each group is linked to a single cheap PC. Each group has both cameras and guns, concealed from view.
When a group of soldiers come into view, they can be activated--either remotely by radio or by identifying some insignia on the clothing. After being activated they can silently track until all targets are in view at the same time. One or two shots to the head of each soldier should make for nearly a 100% kill rate--there is no real reason for a shot to miss (a very simple calibration routine and software that waits until all targets are vulnerable should take care of that).
The soldiers that are left, if any, would be incapable of identifying the locations of most of the "Mines". Each "Mine" would be reusable, cheap, and nearly 100% accurate, and they could operate automatically or with targets selected by a solder located in an inaccessible bunker.
And the type of imaging software required for this is so useful that it MUST be developed and spread. With this type of technology, you also get the ability to do things like:
-Notice any patron in a restaurant that raises a hand and send a waiter to him immediately.
-Perhaps even simple drink orders by hand gesture.
-Track peoples locations at home and use the info to control heat, light, music,
-Identify people in a store that need help.
-Identify erratic movement patterns that indicate a potential crime.
-All sorts of interaction via hand-gestures in all sorts of locations.
-Criminals in jails could actually be watched at all times--no more shivs.
-Insects could be tracked for laser eradication.
-Crack houses could be seriously defended from police...
(I'm not saying I think these things are all good, I just think they are all going to happen.)
All these "advances" come from simply being able to combine multiple camera images into a 3-d model, kind of the opposite of what a graphics card does today. I think that ability will revolutionize computers and how we interact with them yet again, but it scares the crap out of me too.
You forgot that North Korea also has the "World's Best Golfer". Stand aside Tiger; Kim Jong is here. Palmer? You suck next to Kim Jong. Yellow jacket? We don't need no yellow jacket. We've got red nuclear missiles, or at least missile shells with nuclear logos painted on them.
Automated machine gun mount.. just a matter of time before someone gives it legs/tracks and then some intelligence so it knows what to shoot.
If you mean the ability to, e.g., predict the path of a projectile, then you're right. If the only decisions you're making are of the most pragmatic and short-term kind, then you're right. If however, you wish to possess a reality-based philosophy of life, then the existence or non-existence of God is the most essential knowledge there is.
When I didn't know the answer to that question, I admit that I liked to think of it as "unanswerable." However, it is answerable. Because God does exist, and He is merciful, everyone who wants to know that answer is capable of finding it.
http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/room-defender/index .html
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This is my signature. There are many like it but this one is mine.
Its just as bad as words from N to K that you *also* used. Im leaving it at that.
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Answer the door naked with a vodka bottle filled with water.
Swig the water and ask 'what do you want'?
They don't come back.
http://www.gizmag.com/search/BAE/
Scary, huh? I was going to apply there, because it's always been my dream to be at least partially to blame for when the robots come for us. But... I don't know. These guys are actively *trying* to make unstoppable killbots (and succeeding, from the look of it). When their robots come for us... where's the sense of adventure? I mean, it looks like they'll be doing exactly what somebody wrote out in a functional spec somewhere. So if they run amock, word'll get back to BAE and they'll be able to fix whatever went wrong I bet. That takes all the fun out of it. My dream always involved the army calling up the company behind the robots to find out what went wrong, and having a conversation like this:
Army guy: "Damn it! Why are the robots killing everyone???";
My company: "I don't know... they weren't designed to do that."
Army guy: "No sh_t, Sherlock. You think we would have put an order in for 20,000 units that were designed to run amock and kill everyone?"
My company: "No, no. I mean, you don't understand. The scenario you've described... picking locks, stealing parts, making self-modifications... they weren't simply not designed to do those types of things... they weren't designed to be *capable* of doing those types of things!"
Army guy: "So wait a minute, you're saying that... hold on. Who's that yelling 'Woo-hoo!' in the background?"
My company: "Huh? Oh, that's just one of our coders. Pipe down, Rex, we've got a serious problem over here!"
Army guy: "OK, that's better. So you're saying these units have what, evolved or something?"
My company: "Well no. Technically this would be adapting. You can't say they've evolved until they start reproducing."
Army guy: "They can reproduce?"
My company: "Lemme check. Hey Rex, can the robots we sold the army reproduce?"
Me: "You think I'd be working until 10 PM every day if I'd figured out how to make them reproduce yet?"
My company: "Whaddya mean, yet?"
Me: "Oh... nothing"
My company: "So why are they killing everyone?"
Me: "Probably because they can't reproduce. Seriously, a few more months of not getting laid and I might join them."
My company: "No no no. I mean how is this happening?"
Me: "Oh the killing everyone thing? Well, I was getting kind of tired of feature creep, so I just made the code kinda flexible."
My company: "Flexible? How flexible?"
Me: "Um, apparently 'changing-their-programming-and-then-killing-every one' flexible."
My company: "Well how the hell do we stop them?"
Me: "I'd have to take a look at the code. To be perfectly honest, I don't remember a tiny fraction of what I wrote. That's why I commented it so heavily!"
My company: "Yeah, I know. The guys we have looking at the code are currently reading about how a particular television show inspired a new technique of callbacks in the NLP module. They're up to the part where you describe the ingredients of the drinks you were serving while watching it..."
Me: "Oh yeah, I forgot all about those drinks. Those were killer."
Army guy: "What the hell is going on over there???"
My company: "Uh, we're looking into the problem now"
Army guy: "OK. You call me the split second you come up with anything".
My company: "Will do. Rex, you let me know the split second you... hey, where are you going?"
Me: "I have rehearsal"
My company: "But the Robots... killing everyone..."
Me: "Oh relax, there's like, what? Six billion of us?"
My company: "Yeah, eight years ago. There's 10 billion people on the planet these days".
Me: "No, I mean left. I just checked the news. See? Six billion left."
My company: "Holy crap!"
Me: "Six billion's still plenty. I guarantee I get things sorted out before we're down to 5."
My company: "Down to five!!!"
Me: "Well, four tops. Three at the outside. But absolutely, positively no less than two."
My company: "That's unconscionable!"
Me: "I know, especially considering that they'd o
Please demonstrate. Upon what do you base your statement that there is no way to prove or disprove the idea of God? When I was ignorant of the existence of God, I sometimes made the same claim. I made it on the basis of ego... my ignorance of the matter was obvious, so if it was actually impossible to know, then that would make me more more insightful than all who claimed to know, instead of just more ignorant. Do you have a different basis for the claim?
The proof of God is like the proof of the rules of logic. The the rules of logic are the basis for logical and mathematical proofs. Therefore, either the proofs for the rules of logic are as strong as logical and mathematical proofs, or else mathematics and logic are exercises in irrationality. But the rules of logic, and indeed, the fundamentals of mathematics in their actual origins, are exercises in pure perception of underlying truth. This is what mind of man is designed for, and is the basis of all reason, whether it is recognized or not. It is therefore also the basis of all logical, mathematical, and thus also scientific proof. If someone refuses to believe in the rules of logic, or even the fundamental laws of mathematics, you can't prove him wrong to his satisfaction. He either sees it or he doesn't. But that doesn't make them unprovable truly, and it certainly doesn't make them unknowable.
The presence of God can likewise be directly perceived on a similar fundamental level of the rational mind.
But print out your rant on the stupidity of believers, and keep it. Then if you ever find yourself no longer ignorant of God, you can tack it up on your wall as a motivator for humility. As Socrates and Confucius said, without humility, and without coming to terms with the perpetual enormity of our ignorance, there is no basis whatsoever for the development of reason or intellect.
Its just as bad as words from N to K that you *also* used. Im leaving it at that
In quotes.
If you consider the quoted use of such words bad, well what *can* I say? 'Lamer'? Is that ok? I sure hope not...
In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
A 12 year old kid with a paintball gun could render it useless rather quickly, particularly if they had specially formulated paintballs to goob up whatever sensors it might have.
You want to cure "compliance, order, and irrational submission to authority" by having an authority tell people what to believe? I think you need to think that one through a little more.
I wonder if there is a scene where the robot doesn't recogzine, that the north korean has his hands up in the air and starts shooting?
Again, this show us how great a movie robocop was and that we should be afraid.
I don't know about that, most of the U.S. military's aircraft, its armored vehicles, its artillery, even a fair majority of the ordnance itself, is designed and built by contractors, and it seems to generally do its job. It's just not cheap. But then again, contracting outfits have little reason to be cheap, since there's no competition except with each other, and the client literally has the ability to print money.
I've worked in government contracting, and however fucked up you think that side of things is, it doesn't even touch the level of fuckedupedness that is your average USG agency. The level of apathy, bizarre interpersonal conflicts, mindless bureaucracy, and downright incompetence that I saw from government employees was truly astounding. That the government manages to do anything never ceases to amaze me, and more often than not I think it's only because of the labor of a few very skilled and dedicated people, hauling along the rest of their agencies like an ant beneath a dead whale.
The government, and anything that touches it, however peripherally, is a total sausage factory. If you want to retain any appreciation at all for the things it produces, don't watch them being made.
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
Now they just need some giant scissors that cut you in half when you try to cross the border like in Aeon Flux (which ironically is really about North and South Korea)...
"You have 5 seconds to comply..."
Being Agnostic generally means you have a cerain beliefe there is something but you just can't explain it. That is not believing only what you see.
unzip; strip; touch; finger; mount; fsck; more; yes; unmount; sleep
...and not any company I've purchased wireless networking equipment from. Every half hour it would crap out and charge through the nearest city, guns blazing.
No. No, no, NO.
This suffers from exactly the same problem as land mines. When a human doesn't make the targeting decision, innocent people get maimed and killed.
Admittedly, robot guns degrade more gracefully than land mines. But still, this is highly immoral.
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I'm sorry, but moderated offtopic? Mod parent back up ...
Get 'em metamods.
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
I also have problems with killing machines that discriminate by a rough visual profile as well as well as mines that choose their target by weight. Thoeretically the mine problem in solved by mapping where they are - the same thing that will be proposed for this thing but not work unless it requires frequent maintainance and you really do need to know where it is or it stops working. A set and forget thing with a ten year power source is just another mine that is better at killing civilians after hostilities cease - but I don't think this is such a thing yet.
Wow, they can now manufacture Republicans, and they are made in Korea yet.
I wonder what happens when one of these comes across a Diebold touch screen voting machine?
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hmmm, Canadian Bacon...
Take off every 'SIG'!!
I think this device is ridiculously primitive, and an example of useless technology. All one has to do is dress up to look like a tree, and they won't be recognized. Or, just draping yourself in a light-weight reflective mylar mirror would totally confuse the system. Hunters have done this for ages... hiding behind a mirror that is tilted toward the ground, so that your subject only sees a reflection of the ground when looking at you.
You take these things out the same way you took them out in Goldeneye - Sniper Rifle from just out of its visibility range. Be sure to pick up the important documents out of the safe first though ...
Why do they want to take out my game server?
They're commissioning a $200,000 robot that can be taken out with one $50 EMP grenade?
Is that where my ham sandwiches have been going?
"You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
If you'd live near my area I'd just take the challenge.
:-)
I'm absolutely confident that basic cooking is a skill everybody can and should develop.
And I have had some friends on university who couldn't cook spaghetti without burning the water...
I had them start with a very simple version spaghetti Bolognese (without instant stuff). I'm absolutely confident that even you can learn basic cooking. Start with a simple recipe and a friend who's good at cooking.
If you can do it, throw away the recipe and start experimenting, failing and succeeding.
I believe in you
I have been broke many times while attending university and It's a good feeling if you know that you can still cook something tasty and nutritious with almost nothing in your kitchen...
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