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Doom Movie Update

WeAz writes "Dark Horizons has an update on the currently filming Doom Movie. The article sums up the history of the production thus far and also includes a cool tidbit that reveals 'a large number of sequences will be shot purely in "first-person" perspective of the leading character (Karl Urban).' Unfortunately, the article also reports that 'The monsters aren't from hell, but rather people mutated by some nasty super-virus although the monsters look very similar to those in the game.' Sounds like a version of 28 Days Later based on Mars to me."

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  1. $70 million film? by fembots · · Score: 1

    Why spend so much when you can AskSlashdot for the Best Tools for Machinima?

    1. Re:$70 million film? by PedanticSpellingTrol · · Score: 5, Funny

      They are doing the whole thing in-game, the $70 million is for the GFX card.

    2. Re:$70 million film? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What hell is this crap? Doom!? with NO Hellspawn, just some crap about an "experiment gone awry". The creators can take that $70 mil and shove it. Unless this script undergoes some serious revisions I say F&*@ goinging to see it, you may as well be waiting for the Mario Brothers sequel if you expect anything even resembling a games name-sake in this trash their calling a movie.

  2. *rubs hands together* by lordsilence · · Score: 5, Funny

    Look at the possibilities. They can save lots of money without having actors on screen. But... we can take it further! If they just put this in a really dark setting or envoirment.. We'll simply pretend there's lots of pretty monsters and scenery everywhere.

    1. Re:*rubs hands together* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hell, let's just record a Doom 3 demo and skin the doom guy's face to look like Karl Urban. Same thing, but with a Wendy's-super-value-menu budget.

    2. Re:*rubs hands together* by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      Heh - I've just quite Doom 3 to have a quick play of something else, and decided to check /. in between. Just before I quit D3, at one point, I had literally thought "Why go to all the trouble of making such exquisitely detailed monsters, just to plunge you into darkness so you can never see them?".

      Spooky.

    3. Re:*rubs hands together* by buffer-overflowed · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ahh Doom 3 the movie... I can see it now.

      Tagline: "In a world... without light... without adhesives... a hero shall arise, armed with a flashlight and heavy weaponry, but no method to combine the two."

      Ugh... I spent the entire game wishing for duct tape so I could fuckin' tape my flashlight to the bottom of my rifle. Apparently everyone decided, probably by committee, that things like night-vision and underbarrel flashlights were passe sometime in the 22nd century.

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    4. Re:*rubs hands together* by the+unbeliever · · Score: 4, Informative

      ever download Duct Tape?

      Just thought I'd letcha know in case you didn't. ;p

    5. Re:*rubs hands together* by aichpvee · · Score: 3, Funny

      But how will you eat great, even late, if you spend all your Wendy's cash recording black video?

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    6. Re:*rubs hands together* by bob+beta · · Score: 1

      Just a discussion point that may be well covered on the linked site, but worth adding to the discussion here: does the Duct Tape mod make a player more vulnerable, as s/he is obviously more visible to the monsters while waving around a flashlight?

    7. Re:*rubs hands together* by JFitzsimmons · · Score: 1

      They can see you in pitch darkness (those of us who don't play with ducttape know all too well). I don't think it would hurt your chances much; they're going to see you anyway.

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    8. Re:*rubs hands together* by Delphiki · · Score: 1

      This movie will make at least $5 at the box office. So there's all new Wendy's cash for you.

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    9. Re:*rubs hands together* by dousk · · Score: 1

      Well, it's because you have been ill-informed buddy! Doom III is a 3D adventure! Not an FPS. I love how you don't get to find the duct tape, not even in the very end! So atmospheric... (00ze...) :-D

    10. Re:*rubs hands together* by AkaXakA · · Score: 1

      We'll simply pretend there's lots of pretty monsters and scenery everywhere.

      You might laugh at this, but it's really the most effective (scary) way of shooting a movie. It's the tention that has people at the edge of their seat.

      A good example of this is Jaws; you actually get to see quite little of the actual shark, yet it's presence is always there. That's what creates tention (in movies).

  3. On Mars by Vokbain · · Score: 5, Informative

    I read yesterday somewhere that the movie doesn't take place on Mars anymore either. It supposedly happens on some planet or base somewhere else in the galaxy or something. =[

    1. Re:On Mars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Political. They don't want a movie about monsters from hell because it will upset the Christian lobby.

      They don't want a movie about monsters from hell on Mars because it will upset the Martian lobby.

      What? You didn't know?

      My question is... if there's no hell, where will they stage the sequel? New Jersey?

    2. Re:On Mars by EpsCylonB · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, according to bluesnews its just a regular old military scientific complex somewhere on earth.

      It's fairly obvious that whoever put up the money wants the film to have the widest possible appeal in america, and that means they don't want to risk offending middle america with the kind of religous imagery used in the games.

      It might still turn out to be a decent film, it won't be Doom though.

    3. Re:On Mars by spectre_240sx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Personally, I have very little interest in this as a "doom" movie. If it doesn't have to do with devils and other creatures from hell then it's NOT DOOM!

    4. Re:On Mars by OAB_X · · Score: 0

      The Christian lobby should have WANTED the monsters to be demons from hell cause then people could watch the Doom guy kick Satan's ass.

    5. Re:On Mars by Goosey · · Score: 5, Funny

      It might still turn out to be a decent film, it won't be Doom though.

      I suppose we were all naive at one point in our lives. Your point is right now, friend.

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    6. Re:On Mars by arose · · Score: 5, Funny

      The epic story of Doom paired with the higly original setting of a secret military-scientifix complex on earth. That has to be a hit.

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    7. Re:On Mars by kubrick · · Score: 5, Funny

      You forgot "mixed with all of the intelligence and wit that Hollywood can bring to the project."

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    8. Re:On Mars by Pxtl · · Score: 5, Informative

      Lets see:

      a) not set on mars
      b) aliens infected with super virus, not demons
      c) not about "space marines" but more SWAT team members.
      d) character named "Pinky" in cybernetic wheelchair.
      e) BFG is "Bio Force Gun".

      so, this movie has what to do with DOOM exactly? 1st person perspective? Wow, because there aren't other games with that perspective.

    9. Re:On Mars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      1st person perspective?
      Blair Witch SWAT Doom?
    10. Re:On Mars by lq_x_pl · · Score: 1

      No Mars? No demons from Hell? This isn't Doom, it's another f***ing Starship Troopers schlockfest...

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    11. Re:On Mars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yeah, according to bluesnews its just a regular old military scientific complex somewhere on earth.
      And it'll be revealed that UAC is actually an abbreviation for UmbrellA Corporation, and the complex is in Raccoon City, allowing them to simply play an old film instead of bothering to come up with a new one.
    12. Re:On Mars by DerWulf · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't think its political at all. I think its just a cheap production. Look, now they say: well, they are not from hell but mutated by a virus. Before release it'll be: 'look, did we say monsters? We meant zombies that look like normal people with an attitute'. The Inq has an article about it, they say the movie isn't gonna take place on mars and the space marines will be swat guys. So, essentially it's going to be 'Resident evil vs. SWAT' - the Movie and cost 5 bucks for the 8mm film because the props are all donated.

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    13. Re:On Mars by icedcool · · Score: 1

      No hell, No mars, No space marines.... well damn, read that and thought.... hmmm... and how is this still based on doom? I mean jeez, doom is just mars and shooting lots of demons, then teleporting to deeper levels of hell.

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    14. Re:On Mars by KanSer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, thank you very much for giving us Resident Evil In Space instead of what could have been a good movie.

      Fuck hollywood sucks.

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    15. Re:On Mars by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 1

      I still don't understand why anyone would think the "plot" of Doom is worthy of a movie anyways.

      What are they going to do - at the end of the movie, print out the ending in text like the actual games do?

    16. Re:On Mars by cozziewozzie · · Score: 1

      Well, the Doom story and implementation is definitely not for the widest appeal, it's pretty much a thing for hard-core horror fans. This is the reason it wasn't so popular with everyone.

      Making it pull the widest possible audience will not make it a horror movie, and in that case, Doom doesn't make much sense.

    17. Re:On Mars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      No offense but Doom3 wasnt a Doom either. Doom was always about massive amounts of baddies and self preservation. Not running from shadows and having no more than 3 mobs on the screen at any 1 time. Honestly, I played Doom3 for about 20 minutes and said fuck it.


      Half Life 2 was infinately better.

    18. Re:On Mars by CanadianCrackPot · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's called Half-Life...

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    19. Re:On Mars by Zurgutt · · Score: 1

      It's fairly obvious that whoever put up the money wants the film to have the widest possible appeal in america, and that means they don't want to risk offending middle america with the kind of religous imagery used in the games.

      Same thing happened to the original Castle Wolfenstain I have read.. the ads for it in Germany started: "From the outer space... .."

      "Never be rude to an arab.."

    20. Re:On Mars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, it NEVER happened on mars to begin with. It was on one of the MOONs of mars. Deimos, to be prescise.

      For the love of god, I don't know WHY THE HELL you'd change that detail, if you were making a movie about DOOM. Deimos (meaning TERROR) is about as good of a place to have DOOM as any other place.

      This is like putting elves at the battle of that fortress (forgetting the name at the moment) in Lord of The Rings. It serves NO purpose, and it dosen't follow the story line at all (part of that story proving that MEN, WITHOUT THE HELP OF OTHER RACES can go on to exist alone when the elves move on.)

    21. Re:On Mars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correction: DOOM started out on Phobos.

    22. Re:On Mars by cvas · · Score: 2, Funny

      What are they going to do - at the end of the movie, print out the ending in text like the actual games do?

      Yes, it's called "the credits". You see them in movies that don't have [CAM] or [TS] in the title.

    23. Re:On Mars by colmore · · Score: 1

      really, i mean, the plot of doom is basically "guy shoots stuff," would it be that much better with satanic imagery?

      it's a fun game... but a movie?

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    24. Re:On Mars by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1
      That's the best way to go. At least they warn you ahead of the time that they are going to ruin the basic plot so you can stay away.

      I still remember going to see Highlander 2 the first night it came out. Within the first five minutes the movie and the previous movie were forever ruined for me. "It all began five hundred years ago on a planet named Zeist." NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooo!

    25. Re:On Mars by Skrybe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly! Why bother paying for the license when they're not really making use of it? It could be any one of a dozen cookie cutter sci-fi/action movies. If they don't keep the core (demons from hell invading Mars) then it just ain't Doom.

      I'd assume the marketing suits figure all the "geeks" will want to go and see it because of the name alone. Be interesting to see if they change it too much whether it'll have the opposite effect and all the Doom fans will boycott the movie...

    26. Re:On Mars by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Ohhhhhh so "BFH = Bio Force Gun". I read that fucking article and I had no idea what the hell the Bio Force Gun was. I thought maybe it was something I missed in Doom 3, as I didn't pay close attention to the weapon names.

      Damn that's dumb. I hope they don't call it a "Bio Force Gun", just call it "This is the BFH9000" or maybe just show a label somewhere on the barrel or something. What is the official id Software stance on the "BFH" anyway? Is it the "Big Fucking Gun" as tradition dictates, or do they not even really say?

      Bio Force Gun, my ass, though. Regardless of the official title, I know nobody that knows it as anything other than the Big Fucking Gun.

      I personally have 0 interest in seeing this film now. It's about as much Doom as the SWAT movie was Counter-Strike. It'd be interesting to see how severely they mutate it from the Doom plot/story, but that's about it. Not worth the time or effort.

      I'm really quite underwhelmed. The "first person perspective" idea is horrible. The movie has nothing to do with Doom aside from being a "horror" genre title (and really, to be a horror genre title, the lead truly needs to be female. Everyone knows that). How dumb.

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    27. Re:On Mars by Cletus+the+yokel · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Why not just hire Charlie Sheen (his acting sucks, but hey, Gordon Freeman never says anything, and he's a dead ringer for our goateed hero) and make the game-based movie that actually *deserves* to be made?

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    28. Re:On Mars by Canth7 · · Score: 1

      This movie just went from the "I might spend 10 bucks on it" category to the "Fire up usenet" category, if for no reason other than to not reward hollywood for putting out crap. In my world, you would pay for a movie AFTER seeing it, and then it would be a graduated scale. If you thought the movie sucked, you wouldn't have to pay. 0 effort on creating a movie that is true to the original work earns a big fat 0 from my wallet.

    29. Re:On Mars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only old people watch Doom movies.

      Or something...

    30. Re:On Mars by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "guy shoots stuff," would it be that much better with satanic imagery?

      Yes it would! For the shooting to be maximally enjoyable, it must be guilt-free. The viewer can be given no room to imagine that the targets of the shooting don't completely deserve to absorb those rapid-fire napalm rockets.

      Only the very evilist of enemies can deserve such unmerciful shootage. The only two known creatures of this type are Satanists and Nazis (and its no coincidence that idsoftware uses them both)

    31. Re:On Mars by chigun · · Score: 1

      They bought a brand, they didn't buy a story. This movie is not being made with us, the geeks, in mind. It is being made for money, nothing else and they will exploit our (semi) beloved franchise any way they see fit in order to maximize their cash-earning potential. What it basically boils down to is a few game-inspired character models, set design, and the logo and cred that go along with the "Doom" logo/title.

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    32. Re:On Mars by Skrybe · · Score: 1

      I'd say it's made with Geek *money* in mind. Same as Tomb Raider and Mortal Kombat etc. They looked at the numbers for people buying the games and just translated that straight into movie tickets.

      Pity they couldn't have at least had the courtesy to follow the plot of Doom for the first movie (at least reasonably closely). Then they could have thrown it all out for the sequels... and you know they're gonna churn *them* out. :(

    33. Re:On Mars by mccoma · · Score: 1
      's fairly obvious that whoever put up the money wants the film to have the widest possible appeal in america, and that means they don't want to risk offending middle america with the kind of religous imagery used in the games.

      That's probably the reason, but whoever did it is wrong. Omen did well and the type of person who would get offended by a movie about a person killing demons wouldn't go to a horror movie of any type anyway.

      This kinda stuff really ticks me off. If you license a property - try to make the damn film into something resembling the property. See any Tom Clancy adaption for examples of how not to do it. If you feel basic story elements of the property are too offensive, then do not license the property.

    34. Re:On Mars by mccoma · · Score: 1

      I think your right on about their thinking, but the "attract a larger audience by sanitizing the plot and loyal geeks will follow regardless" approach hasn't worked real well (e.g. Star Trek).

    35. Re:On Mars by lordofthechia · · Score: 1

      I think they just took the script to Resident Evil 3 and renamed it "Doom". Maybe the couldn't afford Milla Jovovich this time?

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    36. Re:On Mars by Cornflake917 · · Score: 1

      That is some stupid logic by whoever put up the money. The only people who are gonna be interested in this movie are gamers. By changing the setting to something that has nothing to do with the game, is gonna take away any appeal to their biggest potential of ticket sales. Now instead of middle america not wanting to see the movie, no one will want to see it.

    37. Re:On Mars by amw · · Score: 2, Funny
      BFH = Bio Force Gun ... "This is the BFH9000" ... the "BFH"
      The letter you're after is slightly to the left of the one you're pressing, I believe ...
    38. Re:On Mars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, what I want is "Army of Darkness on Mars", basically. It's not like AoD had a 70 million dollar budget!

    39. Re:On Mars by sharok · · Score: 1

      Woah there !

      You don't want them to mess up a Half-Life movie now do you ?

      Let them muck around with Doom 3. Viewers will just sit in front of a black screen for 90 minutes anyway (apart from the occasional large explosion lighting up - nothing much).

      If there ever is a Half-Life movie, I hope it is based on a solid scenario, with heaps of CGI budget for well-done effects, and with actors actually worth something.

      Right, I've gotta lay off smoking the carpet, I'm actually starting to wish for the impossible.

    40. Re:On Mars by sharok · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hang on there :

      - Tomb Raider had Angelina, and that is enough to reinforce credibility to the max

      - Mortal Kombat had lots of fighting and no story, and that's basically what the game was about, so good points there too

      Whereas Doom - The Movie is NOT going to have :
      - demons
      - dying souls
      - upside-down crosses
      - tortured victims nailed to a cross
      - pentagrams
      - portal to Hell
      - anything interesting

      Might as well put in a bunch of furry rabbits carrying egg baskets for all I care. If we're supposed to see a bunch of enraged human mutants, then I say Dawn of the Dead is all we need.

    41. Re:On Mars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Doom I Plot : (Spoiler Warning!)

      Chapter I : Knee Deep in the Dead
      Anonymous marine lands on the Phobos moon of Mars. The research base appears to be crawling with zombies and he blows his way through them eventually blasting some bigger demons and teleporting to ...

      Chapter II : Shores of Hell

      .. Mars! Mars base overrun by demonic alien scumbags. Our Hero slaughters them by the truckload, occasionally using the chainsaw! Finally he kills the giant missile launching robot cyberdemon and takes the plunge and heads off into..

      Chapter III : Inferno

      .. Hell itself! After laying waste to Satan's Army he confronts giant mecha robo cyber Arachnodemon and kills him! (Duh!) Go team Earth!

      Full text of the Doom book "Knee Deep in the Dead": http://lib.ru/INOFANT/DOOM/doom1_knee_deep_in_the_ dead-engl.txt

      The Doom comic! Yes! Quotable! Read it! http://www.doomworld.com/10years/doomcomic/

      It's EASY to make good quality cult movie out of that! (But I'm betting they'll screw it up anyway - it's not like this is Peter Jackson).

    42. Re:On Mars by krymsin01 · · Score: 1

      If you've ever read the Doom books, it's revealed that the "Demons" are really just aliens, and then around the fourth book it turns out the whole thing is basicaly the fucking Matrix. Doom Guy ends up running around with an Imp trying to crash the game.

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    43. Re:On Mars by zanderredux · · Score: 1
      Like... mutated people?

      Isn't this the plot of Half Life?

    44. Re:On Mars by zanderredux · · Score: 1
      Precisely. I strongly object the change in plot! When did it become more acceptable to kill mutated people instead of hell creatures?

      Seems that, in these politically correct days, if someone could choose between killing a petty burglar or a demon, people would choose the former, just to avoid hurting someone's religious susceptibilities while the poor burglar was hurt to death!!!!!

    45. Re:On Mars by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      so, this movie has what to do with DOOM exactly?

      The name.

    46. Re:On Mars by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      HAHA. I wonder how the hell I managed to do that. Weird.

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    47. Re:On Mars by MustardMan · · Score: 1

      Only the very evilist of enemies can deserve such unmerciful shootage. The only two known creatures of this type are Satanists and Nazis (and its no coincidence that idsoftware uses them both)


      BAH! I can think of lots more. Vegetarians, republicans, that bitch at the DMV who takes two hours to process the three people in line in front of me....

    48. Re:On Mars by Dutchmaan · · Score: 1

      Exactly! Why bother paying for the license when they're not really making use of it?

      Very simple... it has the *name* "Doom"

      They could do a remake of The Sound of Music and slap the name 'Doom: The movie', and millions of rabid fanbois will go and see it, bitch about, and then go see the sequel, or prequel, depending on the disposition of the movie execs.

      I'll guarantee you one thing.. this movie will have a good chance at sucking! Granted not all video game based movies suck, but the chance is veyr high, especially when they depart from what made the game great in the first place.

    49. Re:On Mars by patternjuggler · · Score: 1

      so, this movie has what to do with DOOM exactly? 1st person perspective? Wow, because there aren't other games with that perspective.

      The classic low-budget horror movie technique is to shoot a lot of first-person stuff from the point of view of the monster, so that way they can replace expensive computer graphics or traditional practical effects with the much cheaper distorted vision and breathing sounds, along with the occasional paw or claw get into the shot.

      For this movie, I suppose they have enough money to cover the alien special effects, but lacked confidence in their actor and/or their directing skills, so they'll avoid showing human faces.

      Doom without demons from hell on Mars or in Mars orbit is like Starship Troopers without powered armor, but probably way worse. I like seeing hell depicted in movies, like What Dreams May Come, Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey, or Spawn (Spawn had pretty crappy CG hell though)- it's a selling point to me. Little Nicky even.

      It's probably going to be rated PG13 as well...

    50. Re:On Mars by MySt1k · · Score: 1

      well, at least, IMDB.com says it will be space marines on phobos one moon of Mars... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0419706/

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    51. Re:On Mars by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 1

      I know your comment was in humor, but have you beaten any id Software game before Quake 3?

      The "ending" was about a screen full of large text telling you what happened after you unloaded a BFG on a room full of monsters.

      Seriously, there's your "plot" to doom, right there - I'll be amazed if this isn't some mishmash of bad John Woo replica crap.

    52. Re:On Mars by IQpierce · · Score: 1

      > Exactly! Why bother paying for the license when they're not really making use of it?

      Let me introduce you to a little something called "money."

      It can be exchanged for goods and services, and is therefore desirable. When companies make a product and associate it with a popular property, they don't do so because of a burning desire to make good use of that property. They do it because people will spend money on the product just because of the name, period, whether or not it does justice to the property it's supposed to be related to.

      This allows them to obtain more of the "money" I was talking about.

  4. super v irus? by zalas · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What... did the producers look at R.E. and went wow, let's incorporate some ideas from that as well so that we have a bigger fanbase!

    1. Re:super v irus? by Queer+Boy · · Score: 1

      Because survival horror game players are a TOTALLY different base than first person shooters.

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  5. Bring a barf bag... by IO+ERROR · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...not because the movie will be bad, but because the first-person perspective is likely to upset your inner ear balance and cause you to feel queasy. Think Blair Witch Project.

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    1. Re:Bring a barf bag... by Brandon30X · · Score: 5, Funny

      But dont get me wrong, it will be bad.

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    2. Re:Bring a barf bag... by Hatta · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...not because the movie will be bad, but because the first-person perspective is likely to upset your inner ear balance and cause you to feel queasy. Think Blair Witch Project.

      That's ok, just make sure you set pm_walkbob "0" in the console.

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    3. Re:Bring a barf bag... by Jardine · · Score: 1

      That's ok, just make sure you set pm_walkbob "0" in the console.

      Maybe it's just me, but I find games that don't have that head bounce motion are more likely to make me queasy. Wolfenstein 3d didn't have head bobbing and it felt wrong somehow. I'm fine with any of the ones that have head bobbing.

    4. Re:Bring a barf bag... by Jormundgandr · · Score: 1

      Just to be an annoying nagger, I'm going to point out that 1st person view doesn't upset the balance of fluid within your inner ears, but rather causes nausea as the brain gets "confused" attempting to reconcile conflicting information from the eyes and inner ears.

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    5. Re:Bring a barf bag... by will_die · · Score: 1

      I was thinking more of alien cam from Alien 3.

    6. Re:Bring a barf bag... by JaffaKREE · · Score: 1

      www.votekodos.com

    7. Re:Bring a barf bag... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm, when people start to compare your new movie project to the Blair Witch Project, you are already screwed.

      I left that movie feeling like puking, but it had nothing to do with perspective. That was the absolute worst movie, I have ever watched, bar none. In fact, it might have been the last movie I ever paid to see, if not, it is the reason I do not go to see movies anymore, too expensive for really bad product.

      I spent the whole movie, from scene one on, PRAYING that the stupid bitch director would have her head explode. I spent the second half of the movie wishing MY head would explode.

  6. Good news, or bad news first? by sH4RD · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The first person view sounds cool, could inspire a new film technique (much like the Matrix's bullet time), but the old fashoned film technique of messing with a well-loved plot seems to be going strong.

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    1. Re:Good news, or bad news first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Game movies" are always great ideas, however they just dont spend enough time on the damn PLOT.
      Just look at history:

      Final Fantasy, great idea shitty movie
      Resident Evil, Hot girl... shitty movie

    2. Re:Good news, or bad news first? by adpowers · · Score: 1

      Just a side note, the movie Rules of Engagement had a few shots that were sort of first person (you were looking down he barrel of the gun). I thought it looked really cool and it reminded me of a realistic Counter-Strike or something. So, it has been done before.

    3. Re:Good news, or bad news first? by lxs · · Score: 2, Informative

      Dark Passage from 1947 with Humphrey Bogart was shot mostly in first person, so it's not very new.

    4. Re:Good news, or bad news first? by danila · · Score: 1

      The first-person technique was used by Aleksei Balabanov in Brat 2. The sequence, where Danila kills a bunch of mafiosi in the basement corridors of some night-club, is filmed in a Doom-like first-person perspective, with the gun in the bottom-middle of the screen.

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    5. Re:Good news, or bad news first? by GrimCracker · · Score: 3, Informative

      "The Lady in the Lake," also from 1947, was shot entirely in first person.

    6. Re:Good news, or bad news first? by Lord+Prox · · Score: 1

      The first person view sounds cool, could inspire a new film technique

      Ummmm... not new. Checkout the movie Strange Days (one of my favorite flicks). The opening sequence is first person of a armed robbery, shootout with the cops, and ends with a 3 story fall right onto sidewalk. One goddamn wild ride, I tell ya.

    7. Re:Good news, or bad news first? by m0rphin3 · · Score: 1

      Firt-person is nothing new. The reason nobody uses it is that it upsets the audience.

      The lady of the lake(1947) pioneered it.

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    8. Re:Good news, or bad news first? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      They've already done the "first person perspective" before. I believe it was first done in Gladiator, but it's been done in many films since then, where the camera follows the visual path of the protagonist.

      Nothing new to see here. I suspect they'll just use that same technique and hold the camera more steady, with smooth(er) movements.

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    9. Re:Good news, or bad news first? by zillahX · · Score: 1

      Also one of my favorites. Just last week, I finally picked up the dvd version at Best Buy for $5.99. Well worth it.

    10. Re:Good news, or bad news first? by Datasage · · Score: 1

      Its not new. Get outside of hollywood and you will see it used alot. However the persective is ussually of a third person (audience) in the scene but not interacting. When the camera is handheld amoung the characters it creates more of an intimate feel by bringing the audience into the scene.

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  7. Resident Evil? by Ligur · · Score: 1

    I don't get it.

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  8. No hell? by Eric(b0mb)Dennis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why the choice not to have the monsters we know and love from HELL, not another MSV (Mutated Super Virus).

    Are people afraid to mention the word HELL anymore? Jesus christ, Jesusland is taking over!

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    1. Re:No hell? by b0tman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, I think it's the Christians who have no problem with talking about Hell. I'm one of them, and I love Doom. It's the PC people we gotta' worry about. They are the ones sanitizing our society so that we can't say anything that might remotely offend somebody.

    2. Re:No hell? by DAldredge · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can you point out one time that a major Christian org has gotten upset about the use of Hell as a location in the past 25 years?

    3. Re:No hell? by RickHunter · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      I've got news for you. Jesusland already did - on November 2nd.

    4. Re:No hell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you got it all wrong.

      PC people dont want you to go around saying nigger.

      you people dont want people to mention hell and you want to ban video games completly because they are evil...

    5. Re:No hell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow, talk about a moron. He's telling one of "you people" that "you got it all wrong"

    6. Re:No hell? by One+Childish+N00b · · Score: 1

      I thought 'good triumphs over evil' was supposed to be a good thing.

      Can someone explain to me the objections Christians would have to Doom? I just don't understand it - guy goes a military base killing the forces of Hell. Jeez, give the Doom guy a dog-collar and it's basically an exorcism with energy weapons. As far as I can assume, killing demons is portrayed as a good thing, is it not? So where's the blasphemy?

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    7. Re:No hell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> Jesusland is taking over!

      Let me guess, you get all your "news" from Boingboing and Metafilter. It never ceases to amuse me how the people who scream for the "alternative" are so *easily* captured by their own bias. You sir, are lead by the nose.

    8. Re:No hell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, no surprise HollyWood dropped the hell reference, after all, THEY ARE ALL GOING TO SPEND AN ETERNITY THERE BURNING IN IT.

    9. Re:No hell? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Can someone explain to me the objections Christians would have to Doom?

      DISCLAIMER: It's been a long time since I left the sheep mentality behind, so this is just a guess...

      I'd say they probably consider it blasphemous, because only their god is supposed to have the power to destroy demons.

    10. Re:No hell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For what its worth, read Job.

      God has no problem with demons or the devil torturing people, or even his own people. Well, I'll change that -- he has a problem with it, but allows it nonetheless. Usually to make a point, or cause we just deserve it.

      Stupid atheists or stupid christians ... same to me. They're stupid.

    11. Re:No hell? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Right, that's what I said. He has no problem with the torturing people. He apparently has a problem with the people fighting back. :)

      Stupid atheists or stupid christians ... same to me. They're stupid.

      Fortunately I'm neither. ;)

    12. Re:No hell? by fatovich · · Score: 1
      Why the choice not to have the monsters we know and love from HELL, not another MSV (Mutated Super Virus). Are people afraid to mention the word HELL anymore? Jesus christ, Jesusland is taking over!

      the words Jesus; Christ and Jesusland are all registered trademarks of JesusCorp, please cease and desist from illegally stealing our IP or we will have the government sue you.

    13. Re:No hell? by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 1

      Know what's really great? Every image of "hell" "demons" and "satan" are entirely secularized. Everything is taken from an errant extrapolation on a lake-of-fire concept. Throw in the imagery of Dante's Inferno, and that's how we arrived where we are now - people took purely symbolic metaphors and turned them into a collective fantasy. When you see a red-skinned horned guy carrying his pitchfork through a fiery subterranean landscape, it's no more based in (Christian biblical) fact than the Lord of the Rings movies.

      The truest biblical expression of "hell" is eternal and absolute separation from God, whereas "heaven" is being in His presence. That's it.

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    14. Re:No hell? by Triskele · · Score: 1
      I think you must have missed the bit in sunday school where the preacher was talking about the fire and brimstone of eternal damnation that awaited all sinners...

      But seriously, Christianity has re-invented its notion of heaven and hell more times than you can possibly count over the last 1000 years. What you describe is the modern liberal interpretation of the bible where the OT is mostly discounted. The Catholic church has no such misgivings about the reality of hell as described by Dante.

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    15. Re:No hell? by dvk · · Score: 1

      > What you describe is the modern liberal interpretation of the bible where the OT is mostly discounted.

      Eh? What are you smoking and can I have some? OT is basically Hebrew Torah. And Judaism does *NOT* have a concept of hell in the first place - it's a Christian mod (OK, you know you have to stay off /. when you use "mod" in relation to theology :)

      -DVK

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    16. Re:No hell? by Triskele · · Score: 1
      Yeah, I agree hell is a Christian 'mod' - but it's all down to interpretation isn't it. The early Roman church found all sorts of good stuff in the OT with which to frighten their flock with visions of the devil and hell. It's only with the post-puritan humanist movements of the Enlightenment that this started to change.

      This is why to my mind the Bible is pretty well worthless - you can make it dance to any tune you like.

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    17. Re:No hell? by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 1

      The problem is, you can't. All these odd perceptions of hell are taken from works outside the Bible itself - and when you start accepting random tradition as truth, you end up with travesties like the Catholic church.

      You've got Sheol in the OT, and Gehenna in the NT. Gehenna is (was) quite literally a location outside Jerusalem, and which was the place a few pagan things such a child sacrifice and eventually became what amounts to a garbage dump. He was talking to people who knew what he meant.

      And that's about as explicit as Jesus got without being on an obviously-symbolic tangent. Fire and brimstone? Yes, hell is presented as a fire at times...relating directly to perpetually-burning garbage dump that was Gehenna. Pointy demons? No chance.

      So, yes, ignorant people that take words out of context and wouldn't know symbolism if it bit them may get the impression that hell is a fire, but a person with a modicum of reading comprehension can see that the bible is neither ambiguous nor overly descriptive of hell. It's a separation from God, and a separation from all that is good.

      -about the "Christian mod" aspect: According to some lines of theology, hell did not exist prior to the resurrection. Just an interesting tidbit.

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    18. Re:No hell? by Triskele · · Score: 1
      he problem is, you can't. All these odd perceptions of hell are taken from works outside the Bible itself - and when you start accepting random tradition as truth, you end up with travesties like the Catholic church.

      All christian sects use the catholic bible and take works outside the bible be it Aquinas or be it some 18th century looney preacher. The bible just ain't much use by the time it's passed through the lens of 1500 years. Just look at the brouhaha over homosexuality!

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  9. Mars-set zombie flick by sonicattack · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds like a version of 28 Days Later based on Mars to me."

    It's already done, and called "Ghosts of Mars".

    And it came the year before "28 days later".

    1. Re:Mars-set zombie flick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However Ghosts of Mars was an abysmal piece of c-grade crap - what else do you expect from John Carpenter?

      Plus, as the title suggests - they weren't zombies, they were taken over by the ghosts... of Mars...

  10. Bio Force Gun?? by desau · · Score: 4, Funny

    I always thought 'BFG'[9000] was an acronym for something else ......

    1. Re:Bio Force Gun?? by Cassius105 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      It is

      the real name for it is "Big Fucking Gun"

      they changed it for the movie

    2. Re:Bio Force Gun?? by Guspaz · · Score: 1, Redundant

      You mean Big Fucking/Frigging Gun?

      Anyhow, I don't see why they're calling this film "Doom" anymore. It has nothing to do with the original concept whatsoever. In fact, other existing movies are probably closer to Doom than this movie is now.

      Considering how Id software kept turning down studios because they wanted to change it so much, I'm surprised they've let it get this far out of hand.

    3. Re:Bio Force Gun?? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      You're right about that ... doesn't really sound very Doomlike at all. Probably offered them more money. Oh well. But, on the other hand, it has happened that films were done badly the first time 'round and then redone later. For example, the original version of Dean Koontz's "Watchers" was painfully bad and was only loosely based upon the book. So loosely that I'm surprised it had Koontz's name on it and I was disappointed because I generally like Michael Ironside in bad-guy roles. But movie was later remade, this time more closely following the plot of the book and was actually halfway decent. So maybe that will happen here.

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    4. Re:Bio Force Gun?? by NarrMaster · · Score: 5, Funny

      You don't say? Once again, I salute you, Captain Obvious!

      (Dear mods: modding up those who respond to jokes in the above manner is pretty lame.)

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    5. Re:Bio Force Gun?? by UserChrisCanter4 · · Score: 1

      In fact, other existing movies are probably closer to Doom than this movie is now.

      Very true; I once had a guy loosely involved in Hollywood claim that Event Horizon originally began life as one of the scripts for the then-optioned Quake movie (and since Quake is nearly the same, plot-wise, as Doom...). When the option fell through, the writer changed the script up a huge amount and it eventually became Event Horizon

      Of course, he could've just been blowing smoke, but the timing does sound feasible. Besides all that, EH is probably closer to Doom (Story-wise) than this movie might be.

    6. Re:Bio Force Gun?? by Norgus · · Score: 1
      Anyhow, I don't see why they're calling this film "Doom" anymore.

      Then, like me, you probably also don't understand the need for over 10 final fantasy games.
      Sorry for the offtopicness.

    7. Re:Bio Force Gun?? by iive · · Score: 1

      How about combining with another movies that already have existing T virus monsters?

      "Resident Evil 3 : Doom" would fit perfectly in the current ''doom movie'' storyline.

    8. Re:Bio Force Gun?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe that the manual actually said "Big Fragging Gun".

    9. Re:Bio Force Gun?? by Old+Wolf · · Score: 1

      It's Blast Field Gun. Probably the article just made something up (there's no indication that the movie will call it Bio Force Gun either), so let's not jump to conclusions.

    10. Re:Bio Force Gun?? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      "Bio Force Gun" is worse though, since IIRC, the BFG is supposed to be handheld nuclear weapon, ain't it?

    11. Re:Bio Force Gun?? by Malawar · · Score: 0

      Cuz each ones is a different take on events that could end the world? And.. these final events are all fantasy. Thus.. Final Fantasy.. :) /fanboi

    12. Re:Bio Force Gun?? by Stormwatch · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, the first "Final Fantasy" got this name because, back in 97, Square was on the edge of bankrupcy, and if that game were not a big hit, it would be their last game.

    13. Re:Bio Force Gun?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bio Force Gun... is that where you fart so hard it clears the room?

    14. Re:Bio Force Gun?? by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      Oh crap... I meant 87. Damn Slashdot, no edit option... x_x

    15. Re:Bio Force Gun?? by reeve · · Score: 1

      The original Doom manual said "Big Friendly Gun" IIRC. :)

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    16. Re:Bio Force Gun?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Because I'm looking at the original manual right this second and it says nothing of the sort. So you can shut the fuck up now, k, thanks.

    17. Re:Bio Force Gun?? by reeve · · Score: 1

      Wow, you're an asshole. I said IIRC, which I may well not have. Why that seems to piss you off so much is between you and your therapist of course.

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  11. Heh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    The monsters aren't from hell, but rather people mutated by some nasty super-virus

    Good, because the idea of demons from Hell being on Mars is just too far-fetched. I mean, really...

  12. Not another virus! by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The virus plotline is so played out these days. I don't understand why Hollywood feels the need to change an element like monsters coming from Hell to monsters being mutated by a virus. Has Hell somehow become taboo? For the Dawn of the Dead remake, I was worried that they would change the whole zombies from hell concept because the original tagline was "When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth." Fortunately, they left it intact. It's disappointing that a game so based off of demons from Hell is being changed over into the old virus mutation thing. It's already so overused.

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    1. Re:Not another virus! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Um, with Dawn of the Dead, the zombies were never from hell. They were (in the original release) dead people brought back to life by strange radiation which emanated from a returned space probe. Anybody who died during the time of the radiation became a zombie (even if not bitten by one).

      In the recent remake, they indeed changed the zombie contagion to some form of biological disease - unexplained, but assumed to be viral.

      The reason for using a virus as the MacGuffin of most modern movies, is because this has become the easiest explanation for most people in today's society. We are moving away from superstitions, but viruses and plagues are still a subject of terror for people world-wide.

      As for why they don't use supernatural reasons for things like this - just take a look at the majority of movies that try that. Inevitably, they are poorly received. The section of the public that believes in supernatural/superstitious things will accept either explanation in a movie - but those who are slightly more modern/rational will be turned off by this sort of thing. They prefer psuedo-science over psuedo-fantasy.

    2. Re:Not another virus! by happyemoticon · · Score: 1

      Mutated super viruses are safe. We know viruses exist. We all fear them. They're a universal. Put it through a focus group and see what people are more afraid of, hell or smallpox, and you'll probably get the latter. Movies are made by corporations, and corporations are risk-averse by nature.

      And you bet your ass Hell is taboo. Hell would alienate many Christians, crazy parent special interest groups, and, for that matter, athiests. Hollywood is an unholy amalgaman of hedonists, Scientologists, orthodox types and coked-out actors who think that they make a difference by supporting charities. This smattering of fringe groups wants to think they speak for America, red states and blue states alike, and for that matter, the whole goddamn world. They are mortally afraid of anything anybody would object to (except, of course, Muslim stereotypes). They probably have consulting firms set up to drain stories of controversial religious content.

    3. Re:Not another virus! by freeweed · · Score: 1

      Actually, the Dawn of the Dead remake didn't specify *why* the dead were walking the Earth, other than the ad tag lines. However, the original Dead series by George Romero strongly hinted that the zombies were caused by a virus that came from space.

      Guess which movie the remake was based on? :)

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    4. Re:Not another virus! by danila · · Score: 1

      I don't know, I think it's just scriptwriters sanitizing their scripts to satisfy the risk-averse studio execs, who'd rather have 10 movies flop moderately because they are all the same, than have one film totally flop because it was two ambitious and 9 succeed because they're original. :(

      I am a militant atheist, rational, sceptical and what not, but I don't think I would mind gods/demons/angels (from any religion) in an action film. The truth is that pseudo-science is no better than myth/fantasy (and there is no such thing as pseudo-fantasy - any myth is equally [in]valid). The explanation only needs to be internally consistent to make sense, it doesn't have to agree with the real world.

      Of course, it's also a matter of style, I am not interesting in crap like "Mashing of the Christ", but a few months ago I really enjoyed some nice B-movie about antichrist (don't recall the name, it had two brothers, one became antichrist and the leader of most world with the HQ in Rome, another was the US president).

      Of course, being the militant atheist I am, I can only welcome the fact that fewer movies now involve religion. ;)

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    5. Re:Not another virus! by thrash242 · · Score: 1

      Dawn of the Dead zombies weren't really from hell, that's just one character's thoughts (based on his religious beliefs). In the remake, it's never stated, but it wouldn't make sense if they were occult rather than pseudo-scientifically animated. I'm pretty sure a virus was to blame in the remake as well as the original. Occult zombies are the kind that usually just rise from their graves and don't need to mess with biting to spread the zombism. And yes, I am a zombie nut.

      Now, about the Doom movie, something similar was done in the Doom novels, except the demons became aliens, rather than mutants, which was the main reason I didn't like the books. Doom without the literal forces of hell isn't Doom. Period.

    6. Re:Not another virus! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hightly doubt if they redid the plot to be demons from Hell it would offend Atheists. I'm an Atheist, and I love watching movies with religious connotations. Because all the religious bullshit that's floating around belongs in fiction, keep fiction in fiction, and facts in facts.

    7. Re:Not another virus! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No - read my post a little up the thread - or go to archive.org and download Night of the Living Dead. Romero's zombies are caused by radiation from a returned space probe...no virus.

    8. Re:Not another virus! by mad+mad+ninja · · Score: 1

      I think it was Omega Code 2. It also had some dumb subtitle about Medigo. At least the monsters in Doom could be from another dimension, if not from hell. A virus that makes people into monsters sounds more laughable than monsters teleporting in behind you.

    9. Re:Not another virus! by cozziewozzie · · Score: 1

      Well, I thought it was obvious.

      Virus = biological weapon = weapon of mass destruction. A very popular concept these days.

    10. Re:Not another virus! by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      I may be a more militant atheist than you and I love movies based on christian mythology.

      I think it's because I had all that shit shoved down my throat by the schools (public schools at that, the south sucks) and the people around me and the characters are characters that I know about.

      Or maybe because the people that make these movies tend to be people that believe in the mythology so they take the making of them more seriously and put more thought into the stories so they don't blaspheme and damn themselves.

    11. Re:Not another virus! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, with Dawn of the Dead, the zombies were never from hell. They were (in the original release) dead people brought back to life by strange radiation which emanated from a returned space probe. Anybody who died during the time of the radiation became a zombie (even if not bitten by one).
      I think the film you're describing is 'Return of the Living Dead' but I can't find it at IMDB. The zombies in 'Dawn of the Dead' (1978/original GAR version) were indeed from Hell, or at least possessed by something from Hell; the tagline for the film was 'when there's no more room in Hell, the dead will walk the Earth'.
      BTW, the remake/re-imagining of DotD was a reasonable horror flick, even though that scene with the baby was so utterly stupid I was crying with laughter. The enforced political correctness was galling too.

    12. Re:Not another virus! by SamSim · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they feel the whole "demons from Hell" angle is overused also.

    13. Re:Not another virus! by el-spectre · · Score: 1

      Well (and I'm in the atheist camp with you, albeit not militantly), there's nothing wrong with having religious elements in a story... if the religion is real in the story, why not?

      For example, LOTR had a number of references to the Middle Earth religion (in some cases, you had to have read the silmarillion, etc. to get the ref), and I thought it was cool.

      I just figure it is another part of the fiction :)

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    14. Re:Not another virus! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't fucking Doom , and I'm not going to go and watch this... shit! They've completely fucked it up! ASSHOLES !

    15. Re:Not another virus! by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      yeah, that's basically what I was trying to say but it didn't quite come out right.

      Religious motives add an interesting level of drama to stories, because usually they involve a mortal acting in the name of an immortal, and so it's not just human scheming.

    16. Re:Not another virus! by mandrake*rpgdx · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think he's thinking of Night of the Living Dead. In the original, a space probe *might have been the cause* (according to a news broadcast), but (here's the brilliant part) it's never really explained. Nobody knows why (or ever found out why) in the original it had happened. I think the NOTL remake they even cut out the news broadcast and never give a reason.

      Since Dawn (and Day, as well as the someday to be released City ) of the Dead is supposed to be a sequel to NOTD, I can see where he draws his conclusion. But, since the matter was unsolved in NOTD, and never explained in Dawn (or Day) of the Dead, no one knows where they came from. I wouldn't go by a promotoinal device on what a movie's plot is (ie: a poster). I know in Day of the Dead they do notice a connection between it and a virus through experiments underground (which would make this movie ahead of it's time in a way). I know there was some Italian spin off's of Dawn of The Dead (which was called Zombi in Italy) called Zombi 2 and 3 (and Island of the Dead) which actually did involve them being from hell.

      In short, he's probably more right than you are.

    17. Re:Not another virus! by mink · · Score: 1

      Humorously Shaun of the Dead used the old original returning space probe as the trigger. If you pay attention to all the stuff going on in the background it's a IMO near perfect re-telling of Night of the Living Dead (just set in a current urban environment).

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  13. The threat from life on Mars? by Hatta · · Score: 1

    Wow, maybe there really are deadly microbes on mars.

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  14. Bring Your Own Dramamine by Dachannien · · Score: 1

    a large number of sequences will be shot purely in "first-person" perspective of the leading character

    In other news, sales of vomit bags jumped markedly as theater owners began placing large advance orders in preparation for an upcoming movie based on the Doom computer game franchise.

    1. Re:Bring Your Own Dramamine by duckpoopy · · Score: 1

      Do you vomit when playing FPS on a large monitor?

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    2. Re:Bring Your Own Dramamine by Unknown+Lamer · · Score: 1

      No, but Doom/Quake/QuakeII/QuakeIII make me nauseuous when I play them on my 24" screen.

      Mostly because I lose my reference point and running around like that fucks with my head.

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    3. Re:Bring Your Own Dramamine by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      Don;t worry, the scenes may be recorded in first person perspective, but keeping true to the game, all you see is 30minutes of blackness.

      You see, they can't hold the lights and the camera at the same time.

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    4. Re:Bring Your Own Dramamine by NarrMaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's a difference between movement when you're in control, and movement when someone else is in control. If you're presented with a view that mimics first person movement, things can get wierd. The person controlling doesn't make the same unconcious decisions as you do concerning locomotion, and this makes the brain feel funny. Some people aren't bothered by it. Some are. I speak from experience.

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    5. Re:Bring Your Own Dramamine by duckpoopy · · Score: 1

      Guess I'm just unlucky/lucky. I never had a problem with watching FPS or Blair Witch. SOunds like fun actually, like a roller coaster or something???

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    6. Re:Bring Your Own Dramamine by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      I've noticed this as well. I can play (maybe for an hour, depending on the game) a FPS, but if I watch a friend play, after five minutes I need to go lie down. It's especially like a swift kick to the semicircular canals anytime I expect him to turn, say, to the right, and he does a 180 to the left. HUUURK!

      Not sure what it is - maybe that the rate of movement and therefore optic flow is much less - but in MMOGs with first-person perspective I almost never have issues with motion sickness.

  15. What plot? by Goonie · · Score: 5, Funny
    but the old fashoned film technique of messing with a well-loved plot seems to be going strong.

    Um, we're talking about Doom, right? What plot? From what I can recall the plot went something like "Demons. Bad. Kill them all."...

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    1. Re:What plot? by EpsCylonB · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The first Doom was great, unlike its third incarnation there was a lot of variation in the levels. One level might be totally enclosed whilst the next offers you views of the martian landscape.

      Admittedly after the basic set up of being on mars in a base after a gateway to hell has opened, the plot is fairly thin from there on. Which makes it even more amazing that the makers of this film have done away with pretty much the only plot elements Doom has.

    2. Re:What plot? by Osty · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What plot? From what I can recall the plot went something like "Demons. Bad. Kill them all."...

      As simplistic as the plot is, they've still managed to fuck it up. Also, your plot is a little thin. It's more like, "You, Space Marine. Them, Demons from Hell. On Mars. Kill them all." And yet, the movie does not have space marines, demons, hellspawn, or Mars. It may not be the strongest of plots, but it's what makes Doom recognizable. Without at least space marines and hellspawn, you don't have a Doom movie.

      What's next? Will there be a Halo movie with no Master Chief, no Covenant, and no Halo? How about a Metroid movie with no Samus Aran and no Metroid, or a Half-Life movie with no Gordon Freeman, no G-Man, and no aliens from Xen?

    3. Re:What plot? by spectre_240sx · · Score: 4, Funny

      Intecepted call, someplace in hollywood:

      "Boss, some guy on Slashdot just came up with the idea for 3 new movies. Trust me on this, these are going to make us rich!"

    4. Re:What plot? by Coryoth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Um, we're talking about Doom, right? What plot? From what I can recall the plot went something like "Demons. Bad. Kill them all."...

      That's where the original game started, but if you read the intro text, and the text and the various ends of stages you would have realised there was plot. That plot was further expanded upon in Doom3.

      Let's be realistic here, you could easily take the plot that you discover on PDAs and from talking to people in Doom3 and create a film where only the final third of the film has anyone running around killing demons. Think about it:

      We can start with the marine arriving on base and hearing the rumpours about weird things and the "dig site", spend plenty of time slowly revealing the teleporters, and the fact that there seems to be something/someplace in between leaving one teleporter and arriving at another. Add to that lots of creepy moments wandering around the base hearing voices occasionally, and incidents with marines and workers (ie teleporter test subjects) going insane, and attacking people etc. and you could easily fill and hour with nary a hell gate opened. That leaves you a nice 30 minutes of of hectic "demons everywhere" conclusion.

      Doom could be made into a very good film. It won't be made into a very good film, but that's hardly the game's fault.

      Jedidiah.

    5. Re:What plot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Relax! I'm sure the addition of a cutesy child sidekick and tough, capable love interest will more than make up for these discrepancies.

      ...

      *sob*

    6. Re:What plot? by forkazoo · · Score: 1

      More specifically, the plot was "Demons on Mars." They are leaving out the demons and the Mars... So, yeah, given that the only actual remaining tie to the game is "On," I think it's fair to say they abandoned the game's plot pretty effectively. :( Jeezus, how the heck do you manage to be so inept as to be unable to make a movie with as much plot as Doom!?!

    7. Re:What plot? by Dehumanizer · · Score: 1

      Dude, you just described "Event Horizon". :)

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    8. Re:What plot? by The+Kow · · Score: 1

      From what I can recall the plot went something like "Demons. Bad. Kill them all."...

      And what, exactly, is wrong with that, sir?

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    9. Re:What plot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Um, we're talking about Doom, right? What plot? From what I can recall the plot went something like "Demons. Bad. Kill them all."...

      You put an extra ellipsis in there.

    10. Re:What plot? by Coryoth · · Score: 1

      Which is another wonderful example of taking something that could have been a good film and turnin it into complete crap.

      Jedidiah.

    11. Re:What plot? by chl · · Score: 1
      ...something like "Demons. Bad. Kill them all."

      Exactly. And the article says that there will be no demons. So they managed to mangle even this simple plot.

      chl

    12. Re:What plot? by Goonie · · Score: 1
      The point I was trying to make is that Doom (at least the original Doom) was not about plot. It was about the novel sensation of running around in first person perspectivein the dark trying to kill monsters before they killed you. Remember the first time you wandered through a darkened warehouse and one of the bad guys got behind you? The scream, and the immediate 180 to a big closeup of some incredibly ugly piece of crap laying into you, sticks in your mind.

      That was the essence of Doom, and the bit I'd love to see replicated on the big screen, not some random piece of crud "plot" that John Romero dreamed up the week before the release date.

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    13. Re:What plot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Must. Resist. Killing. HollyWood. Movie. Producers.

    14. Re:What plot? by seek31337 · · Score: 1

      Oh, yeah, become a video game playing statistic.

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    15. Re:What plot? by famebait · · Score: 1

      Also, your plot is a little thin. It's more like, "You, Space Marine. Them, Demons from Hell. On Mars. Kill them all."

      Uh-uh. Slapped-on backstory != actual plot in game. Noone goes through Doom thinking "Oooh, I'm a space marine", thinking about the claimed location except maybe at the splash screens, and certainly not reflecting much over what those monsters are or why they are there.

      Even in Halflife it was easy to forget about your own character between the various reminders, bit at least they made some headway. In doom there was none; exploring and killing really does sum it all up.

      If it has flying skulls and BFGs, I'll recognise it just fine.

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    16. Re:What plot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Demons. Bad. Kill them all

      Yes, but they seem to have removed 20% of that storyline.

    17. Re:What plot? by Dan667 · · Score: 1

      Your hired, let me know when the good Doom Movie is ready

  16. my irc channel says... by utopianfiat · · Score: 1

    according to my irc channel, the state of the movie not being about hell, not being based on mars, not having space marines but instead swat teams, and having mutated virus monsters instead of hellspawn is analagous to something you would see being done to Jenna Jameson in one of her many films. also, Here's an editorial on the movie.

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    1. Re:my irc channel says... by crawdaddy · · Score: 1

      As a friend from high school used to say, that movie got attacked by a mob of suits and "tag-teamed like Jenna Jameson".

  17. why bother... by Inconnux · · Score: 1

    why bother even calling it Doom then? doesnt sound remotely like the game...

    1. Re:why bother... by thrash242 · · Score: 1

      The same reason that horrible shit-pile of a movie House of the Dead was called House of the Dead while having nothing to do with the game except that zombies and guns were involved. And the same reason Bloodrayne, being made by the same braindead director (Uwe Boll) is going to have nothing to do with the game.

      In other words, I have no idea.

      One slightly good thing I can say about what I read about Doom is that they're at least trying to make it a horror movie with similar atmosphere (according to the article) whereas HotD didn't even get that right and tried to make a gothic, dark, moody game into an uber-hip matrix inspired crap-a-thon.

  18. teleporting by demogorgonx · · Score: 1

    > A BAD teleporting accident and he's still alive?? Star Trek quote: "What came back...didn't live long."

  19. BFG Acronym by colonslashslash · · Score: 1, Funny
    Yeah you are right.... "Bloodyhellthatsa Fuckinginsanlyhumongous Gun".

    At least, thats what my friend said oh so many years back when I first showed him Doom in all its pixelated glory.... he was on the receiving end of it :)

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  20. teleporting accident by demogorgonx · · Score: 1

    "One character is a technician called "Pinky" who has a cybernetic wheelchair thanks to a bad teleporting accident." A BAD teleporting accident and he's still alive?? Star Trek quote: "What came back...didn't live long."

    1. Re:teleporting accident by mikael · · Score: 1

      Or from one of the quotes of Galaxy Quest:

      [Fred tries to digitize the pig-lizard with disastrous results]
      Jason Nesmith: What? What was that?
      Alexander Dane: Uh, nothing.
      Jason Nesmith: I heard some squealing or something.
      Gwen DeMarco: Oh, no. Everything's fine.
      Teb: But the animal is inside out.
      Jason Nesmith: I heard that! It turned inside out?
      [the pig-lizard explodes]
      Teb: And it exploded.
      Jason Nesmith: Did I just hear that the animal turned inside out, and then it EXPLODED?

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  21. Well... its doom in name only then by nickgrieve · · Score: 1

    'The monsters aren't from hell, but rather people mutated by some nasty super-virus although the monsters look very similar to those in the game.'

    The whole idea behind doom was that it was a rift between our world, and Hell...

  22. What the HELL by bLindmOnkey · · Score: 1

    "The monsters aren't from hell, but rather people mutated by some nasty super-virus although the monsters look very similar to those in the game." Now come on people, one of the major scare aspects of Doom is that the monsters are from hell. I almost shat my pants when monters started flying out of portals from hell. Hell is your worst mightmare, and without Hell, Doom just won't be as scary as the game was. This is a major problem with game->movie ports; 'plot-chopping'

  23. ?? HUH ?? by mfh · · Score: 1

    Not sure why they would say the monsters aren't from hell anymore. Using a virus seems like a stupid idea because then you're stealing from Resident Evil, and that would be bad. The monsters are from Hell. Again, it's not such a bad thing when the Religious Right takes over the world -- is it?

    I'm disappointed with the level of creative degredation in the Doom film. This one is going down as R.E. #3, IMHO.

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    1. Re:?? HUH ?? by DerWulf · · Score: 1

      I don't like people that impose their view on society as much as the next man. I'm still not convinced that the reg. right would oppose a movie that was about battling hell. I mean, their understanding of the universe hinges on the struggle good/evil, heaven/hell and god/satan. This is the base for many of their teachings as well('don't give into temptations' etc). Also, please recall that dogma was produced in the USA and somehow I don't believe the number of intolerant rel. right wingers dramatically increased in the meantime.

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    2. Re:?? HUH ?? by cozziewozzie · · Score: 1

      I think it would make a smashing movie if, instead of demons from hell, the hero got to shoot up religious extremists of all denominations. Fun AND educational :)

  24. Even the location can be realistic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The whole thing can take place in actual hell:
    "Who would have thought there was a hell?! And it's in New Jersey?!".
    . ;-)
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    http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/Enc yc-99-Ro bot_Hell/

    1. Re:Even the location can be realistic by ThJ · · Score: 1

      Somebody should make a movie about Hell.

  25. wtf is this movie supposed to be? by wcitechnologies · · Score: 1

    Well, we've got a movie not set on mars, and it has mutants, not demons from hell and may take place on earth? WTF is this movie supposed to be? I'd say the plots is "Doom"ed.

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    1. Re:wtf is this movie supposed to be? by moby · · Score: 1


      i've got it ...
      this is not DOOM3
      it's the future of George W's legacy ...
      the virus is from Al Queda who we are really starting to piss off
      the Swat members are because we have no more troops left to protect the US because someone sent them all to Iraq for unknown reasons [besides the obvious ones like oil]
      it's on Earth because we cannot afford to explore Mars and give the wealthy tax cuts

      ... and we're all screwed because we just re-elected a President who reads books upside down to kids while terrorists fly airliners into buildings !

    2. Re:wtf is this movie supposed to be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if it was about oil, then wy is gas so high? Oh yeah i forgot, france, germany, china and russia were buying it illegaly while the head of the United Nations son was taking kickbacks to not report it. That is where the oil went. But no you are right we invaded them to take the oil. Fucking retards like you spewing micheal moore bullshit is why bush was reelected. No one but you, micheal moore and some fringe lunatics believe your own bullshit.

    3. Re:wtf is this movie supposed to be? by wcitechnologies · · Score: 1

      LOL, liberals.

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  26. Start To Crate Rating? by SirDrinksAlot · · Score: 1

    I wonder if we will be able to apply the Start To Crate rating system to the movie like we can to the game.
    The the game (or movie) can be compared to the length of time before you see a crate, the longer the time the better the game or in my theory a movie.

    1. Re:Start To Crate Rating? by PedanticSpellingTrol · · Score: 1

      Goldeneye 64 must be the exception that proves the rule...

  27. Why bother? by FiReaNGeL · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It isn't on Mars.
    Monsters aren't from Hell.
    SWAT instead of space marines.
    Super-virus?

    Can you REALLY call this DOOM? Why do they bother? Doom fans are gonna be angry, and for the rest, the movie could have been called Resident Evil IIV : It gets crappier anyway.

    1. Re:Why bother? by HoneyBunchesOfGoats · · Score: 1

      Resident Evil IIV : It gets crappier anyway

      Not that I disagree with your sentiment, but that is not a real Roman numeral.

    2. Re:Why bother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, no wonder I couldn't understand it. It should be III. It goes like this AFAIR:

      I
      II
      III
      IV
      V
      VI
      VII
      IIX (or VIII)
      IX
      X

    3. Re:Why bother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am a Romam Numeral professor at a prestigious university. I'd like to point out that 'IIV' is not a Roman Numeral. Three is denoted 'III'. Here are the Roman Numerals from one to five:
      I II III IV V

      If you would like to know more, you'll have to take my course.

    4. Re:Why bother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay professor, why is it that clocks with roman numerals on them typically use 'IIII' instead of 'IV' to represent 4?

    5. Re:Why bother? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      *Resident Evil IIV : It gets crappier anyway

      Not that I disagree with your sentiment, but that is not a real Roman numeral.*

      they're not really worthwhile movies anyways so a name like that would be fitting.

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    6. Re:Why bother? by DeepHurtn! · · Score: 1

      Resident Evil Twove...? I can see the billboards already...

    7. Re:Why bother? by geminidomino · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      It's not supposed to be. It stands for "Ipecac IntraVenously," which will have the same effect as watching the sodomization of the Doom name that this move represents.

    8. Re:Why bother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you touch yourself at night.

    9. Re:Why bother? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      If they could call that Will Smith Movie "I Robot" they can call this DOOM. Look at what they did to Battlestar... The evil robots are made by man and mistreated so they rise up to take them out.

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  28. Minor changes by ndogg · · Score: 1
    Screenwriter Dave Callahan claims "everyone was keen to keep the game's atmosphere", though there are some "minor" changes done to the film's concept: The monsters have nothing to do with hell, the plot is not taking place on Mars and "space marines" are not well "space marines" as their outfits are more like SWAT team members.


    Sorry, but these are not minor changes to the Doom story line. Looks like we're in for some cross-media craptacular.
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    1. Re:Minor changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty par for the course. It looks like this one is going the way of Wing Commander. Remember that? Great game series. By the time they started making the movie, the games were already basically movies with space combat sequences stitching them together anyway. They starred Mark Hamill and Malcolm McDowell, and were above average space opera stuff - at least on a par with Star Wars.

      Then for the movie they threw all that away and decided to make... a submarine film (in space)!

      *sigh*

    2. Re:Minor changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, think of it this way - it's not like Doom has much of a storyline to begin with...

    3. Re:Minor changes by cozziewozzie · · Score: 3, Funny
      Screenwriter Dave Callahan claims "everyone was keen to keep the game's atmosphere", though there are some "minor" changes done to the film's concept: The monsters have nothing to do with hell, the plot is not taking place on Mars and "space marines" are not well "space marines" as their outfits are more like SWAT team members.

      In related news, the producers of the movie "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" said they wanted to keep the books' atmosphere, though there are some minor changes to the film's concept. The character Arthur Dent is an American drag queen, Ford Prefect's name will change to Dodge Vpier, Zaphod will not be a two-headed alien, but a purple dinosaur, and Marvin will become the comic relief. And instead of space, the story will take place on a luxury ocean cruiser. Other than that, they said, the movie will stay true to the books.
    4. Re:Minor changes by timitch_1 · · Score: 0

      And this would contradict the Book, The TV series and the radio series. If it just also contradict itself, this might be the Movie DNA as written.

    5. Re:Minor changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought Marvin was the comic relief!

    6. Re:Minor changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Starship Titanic has allready been done.

  29. Things to do by cubicledrone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For any Hollywood executive:

    1) Acquire creative control
    2) Change everything except the name
    3) Profit!

    Hollywood, like all business, is only interested in brands, not products. Therefore it is only the title that matters, not the plot.
    Happens with nearly every adaptation of any existing book/comic book/game into a movie.

    Creative people should have creative control. Irrefutable example of success: The Incredibles

    Business people should not have creative control. Irrefutable example of total failure: Lion King 1 1/2

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    1. Re:Things to do by Coryoth · · Score: 4, Informative

      Creative people should have creative control. Irrefutable example of success: The Incredibles

      Business people should not have creative control. Irrefutable example of total failure: Lion King 1 1/2


      Except you get odd cases like Fight Club. The fact is that, relatively speaking, Fight Club bombed at the US box office. That meant that Brad Pitt got told he was only to take safe roles from here on in, and David Fincher was told no one was going to bank roll him for any creative projects anymore - that's why we got Panic Room.

      Of course, in the end, Fight Club has become a huge cult success and is probably raking in money n DVD sales. It took a while to find its market.

      It is for that reason, however, that the business people get to make their demands: even great creative projects don't make the initial cash that the business people bank rolling the project desire.

      Jedidiah.

    2. Re:Things to do by wilhelmgoetz · · Score: 1
      1) Acquire creative control
      2) Change everything except the name
      3) Profit!
      You forgot

      2.5) Claim you are changing very little, to dupe fans into buying tickets.
    3. Re:Things to do by Queer+Boy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I totally disagree. Fight Club was MARKETED out of the theatre. They marketed the movie as a completely different idea than what the movie was actually about. None of the previews actually tell you anything about the movie except that there's a fight club and you don't talk about it. That is NOT what the movie was about.

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    4. Re:Things to do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      wow, i thought fight club was a success... guess not.

      from imdb:
      Budget: $63,000,000 (estimated)
      Opening Weekend:
      $11,035,485 (USA) (17 October 1999) (1,963 Screens)
      £1,177,219 (UK) (14 November 1999) (322 Screens)
      Gross: $37,023,395 (USA) (27 February 2000)

    5. Re:Things to do by Dr.+Trevorkian · · Score: 1

      I totally disagree. Fight Club was MARKETED out of the theatre. They marketed the movie as a completely different idea than what the movie was actually about. None of the previews actually tell you anything about the movie except that there's a fight club and you don't talk about it. That is NOT what the movie was about.

      I was going to reply with exactly the same statement. I only ended up watching it after wandering by while my girlfriend was watching it on a rented DVD. Prior to that I'd roll my eyes at any mention of the movie because of what I was told the movie was about by Our Marketing Masters. A video game has just been released that perpetuates the notion that Fight Club was about nothing more than semi-organized streetfighting.

    6. Re:Things to do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought they just called it piss poor marketing?

      Had they told me what fight club was really about instead of just a club where people get beat up I would've seen it sooner. I waited til I saw it on cable then it was "holy shit! I have to buy this!" and i even went out and bought every single Palahniuk book. Take a look at the trailers and commercials they ran, they weren't very good. Same could be said about Mallrats, died at the box office, made a killing in DVD sales.

    7. Re:Things to do by Mant · · Score: 1

      I think it's a great movie, but I had no interest when it came out in seeing it. Only when my mate lent me the DVD and told me it was really good.

      The problem is, if I did know what the movie was about, it would have rathered spoiled it. I'm not sure how you could market Fight Club well.

    8. Re:Things to do by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1

      How much money did Disney make on Lion King 1 1/2? My guess is that it made a boatload of cash. Maybe it's a critical failure, but I'd guess it was a financial success.

    9. Re:Things to do by cubicledrone · · Score: 1

      "Critical failure" is very generous. Wailing sobbing nightmarish failure is probably more accurate.

      A worse movie would be very difficult to find. Amazing how they can green light that shit while Miyazaki-sensei's movies are in only 19 theaters, their relationship with Pixar is circling the bowl and they are firing all their animators.

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    10. Re:Things to do by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1
      Personally, I couldn't stand the first Lion King (and I'm quite a fan of some of Disney's films), so was going to avoid any sequels anyway.

      The reason they "green light that shit" is that it makes money and it's a safe bet. You don't really have to do anything to promote a sequel - people already have some familiarity. Shopkeepers selling DVDs will stock sequels because aunts will buy it for their nephew for his birthday because they consider it a safe bet.

    11. Re:Things to do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Creative people should have creative control. Irrefutable example of success: The Incredibles
      Irrefutable examples of why creative people should not have complete creative control: Star Wars: the Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones. And the seasons of Star Trek: the Next Generation where Gene Rodenberry had creative input. To name a small sample.

      Leaving the product in the hands of creative people is not always a guarantee of quality. I don't endorse the way the Pointy-Haired Bosses have handled the Doom license, but there's too many instances of very creative types screwing up their own products too. And the creative types are as bad as the suits (I would argue that they're worse) when it comes to admitting that they've screwed up.
  30. Doom with Doom in it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, the only thing what is pointing at Doom is the title name.

    "We are making movie from Doom! But we use no crucial elements from the Doom-universe."

  31. Cost to make by jlefeld · · Score: 1

    Doom 3 cost about $10 million to make and will probably be more profitable then this.

  32. Freaky... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I went to high school with Karl Urban way back in the late 80's and early 90's. I've seen him go from tiny parts in stuff like a laundry powder ad, to supporting actor (LOTR, Riddick) and now the lead in a hollywood film. I haven't seen him since then but he was a pretty good guy and it's good to see him doing so well.

    He gets any bigger, I'm gonna have to track him down and hit him up for money ;-)

  33. Where's Milla Jovovich? by Rams�s+Morales · · Score: 1

    Why was she replaced with that Karl Urban guy? She is the only reason I rented the first movie, and the only reason I'll rent the second one... but without her you bet I won't rent the third movie.

  34. First Person Movie by alphaseven · · Score: 1
    Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the Raymond Chandler adaptation Lady in the Lake from 1947 and I think Thomas in Love from 2000 are the only major films to be shot entirely in first-person.

    Neat technique, surprised it hasn't been done more often.

    1. Re:First Person Movie by cubicledrone · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's mainly for the same reason that books aren't written in first person more often. It is very very difficult to do well.

      There are a number of things an author can't write into a story without a narrator. It also limits all knowledge of the world to the interpretation of one character. Very difficult to write a good story in first person.

      Now, the REAL accomplishment would be to produce the movie in second person. :)

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    2. Re:First Person Movie by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 1

      Now, the REAL accomplishment would be to produce the movie in second person. :)

      I've read a book that was written in both first and second person - somewhat unsurprisingly, it was written by a certain Iain [M.] Banks... :-)

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    3. Re:First Person Movie by legirons · · Score: 1

      "Now, the REAL accomplishment would be to produce the movie in second person. :)"

      Interactive fiction is arguably the literary form of second-person storytelling.

      So the film equivalent might use the "DVD scene" features to write an interactive story, if the DVD is advanced enough to do that. Press 'red' to follow the voice, or 'blue' to open the door.

      (Of course, if you take that concept to the limit, you'd end-up with a computer game. For the sake of argument, we could call it Doom3)

      I quite like the idea of an interactive movie though, I haven't seen one since they were experimenting with laserdiscs in the late 1980's.

    4. Re:First Person Movie by Haeleth · · Score: 1

      There are a number of things an author can't write into a story without a narrator.

      Who said first-person narrative precludes the use of a narrator? Consider a case like Wuthering Heights, where the story is not only related in the first person, but through multiple layers of first-person narrators. It demonstrates that most of the benefits an omniscient narrator could provide - insights into motivations and consequences, and a broader perspective on events - are still available simply by having the main events narrated by a witness some time after they actually occurred.

      [First-person narrative] also limits all knowledge of the world to the interpretation of one character.

      I'm afraid I can't imagine what gave you that idea. Multiple narrators are a very common device in first-person novels. Another example may be called for - I assume you have at least read Faulkner's As I Lay Dying, right? Remember how he even brings a dead character's voice in to provide some vital information that none of the others knows?

      Very difficult to write a good story in first person.

      It's very difficult to write a good story, period. First person isn't much more difficult than third person. It's just that it's considerably easier to write a bad story in the third person.

      Second person is a more interesting case... the only examples I can think of off-hand are text adventure games, and I can't think of many of those that had literary pretensions.

    5. Re:First Person Movie by imsabbel · · Score: 1

      Iain Banks doesnt count :)
      Ok, i have only read Use Of Weapons (hope i have time for another culture book over chistmas), but that book was one of the VERY few that i had no idea how i would translate it into my motherlanguage without loosing half the meaning and all the coolness.

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    6. Re:First Person Movie by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      (Of course, if you take that concept to the limit, you'd end-up with a computer game. For the sake of argument, we could call it Doom3)

      I have a better idea. Let's call it Resident Evil: Survivor

    7. Re:First Person Movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Consider the Jeeves and Wooster stories by Wodehouse. Almost the only reason they work at all is because they are first person narratives.

    8. Re:First Person Movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean, press red to open the door. Press red to open the next door. Press red again to open the following door. Selection is choice only when there is a variety of options to choose amongst.

    9. Re:First Person Movie by cubicledrone · · Score: 0

      Multiple narrators are a very common device in first-person novels.

      Multiple narrators makes it third person with various people talking about themselves. First person is just that: One person telling a story from their own point of view. The only way first person can be narrated is through flashback or the main character describing history within the storyline.

      First person isn't much more difficult than third person.

      Yes it is, that's why few people try it, and those who do usually change to third person about halfway through because it's easier.

      --
      Business isn't willing to pay for products, innovation and careers, so we get brands, mortgage commercials and layoffs.
  35. Three acts? by mr_majestyk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The first lesson in scriptwriting school is that most movies follow a three-act structure. What will the three acts be in the Doom movie?
    Act I: Shooting anything that moves
    ACt II: Sweepin up the giblets
    Act III: Shooting anything that moves

  36. IF creatures aren't from hell by Man+in+Spandex · · Score: 1

    then its not Doom. Plain simple

    Change that alone changes everything into something that isn't Doom.

  37. The "Religious Right" can't win can they? by Katravax · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To the other posts blaming this on the "Religious Right:" If they talk about Hell, you complain. If someone else REMOVES the word "Hell", you complain. Which is it? They're talking about Hell too much, or not enough?

    Besides, the "Religous Right" is a myth. They're religious alright, but they're not Christian, and they're not conservative. They would do good to read what the Bible has to say about religion.

    1. Re:The "Religious Right" can't win can they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they talk about Hell, you complain. If someone else REMOVES the word "Hell", you complain. Which is it? They're talking about Hell too much, or not enough?

      What people are objecting to is the particular role the Christian fundamentalists force the concept of Hell into: firstly, they use it themselves to threaten people who do not subscribe to their belief system, and secondly, they object when anyone tries to use the rich mythology surrounding it in light entertainment.

      I don't necessarily agree that the so-called "religious right" is responsible for this ridiculous travesty of a Doom movie, but I have to say, I completely fail to see how the two positions you are trying to set up as mutually contradictory conflict with each other.

    2. Re:The "Religious Right" can't win can they? by Zebbers · · Score: 1

      the bible itself says absolutely nothing

      people interpret the bible to say things

  38. How disappointing by Captain+Irreverence · · Score: 2, Funny
    The monsters have nothing to do with hell, the plot is not taking place on Mars and "space marines" are not well "space marines" as their outfits are more like SWAT team members.
    What's next, no straffing? No color-coded doors with matching keys? Barrels that don't explode when you shoot them?

    Bah. Might as well just call it "Barbie in Space" and have done with.
    1. Re:How disappointing by StupidKatz · · Score: 1
      Bah. Might as well just call it "Barbie in Space" and have done with.
      ... except that the movie won't be set in space (nor Mars, nor Hell), either.

      Anyone else going to go see Barbie: The Movie?
  39. Not quite by Stoutlimb · · Score: 1

    I think that if there is any existing movie that it should be based off of, is Event Horizon.

    Now if Doom the Movie as a sequel to Event Horizon would actually make sense. And would set the stage for plenty of gore.

    1. Re:Not quite by iive · · Score: 1

      I remember "Event Horizont". I even remember that I didn't liked it because it was 1:1 Doom1/2 ripoff. With some (very obvious) elements from "HellRaiser".

    2. Re:Not quite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure the movie was based on a book. Obviously, that doesn't exempt it from your complaint about visual elements, but it may very well explain the plot points.

    3. Re:Not quite by Stoutlimb · · Score: 1

      I found it to be a fairly accurate portrayal of the history of the Necromunda universe. (Tabletop miniature game.) Or something that could easily happen in Warhammer 40K.

  40. hey hey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    I'm a big doom fan from back in the day. Hell I played almost nothing *but* Doom and Doom 2 (and Heretic/Hexen) between 1994-1996. After that I kept doing the same thing except added Quake to my games list. ;)
    And I think you're right. I'm not angry about this, but it's a let-down. Doom movie should start on Phobos, then go through Hell. And then they can make a second movie that takes place on Earth, where Hell is at. =)
    Hmm, and plz don't include Doom 3. It's not realy Doom. Only the original game is worthy of being called Doom. Oh and Quake3 isn't really Quake either. Basically everything after Q1 is suckass! Yeah, that's what I think. =)
    BTW anybody read the Doom novels? ;)

  41. Striking resemblance to Army of Darkness by Tweakmeister · · Score: 1

    Carmack needs to pull the plug on this movie before it ruins the Doom brand. No hell, no mars, no space marines, but they're including a character "Pinky" ?!?

    This movie has the chance to be something. Let's not turn it into another Army of Darkness...

    --

    Colossians 2:8

    1. Re:Striking resemblance to Army of Darkness by NarrMaster · · Score: 1

      This movie has the chance to be something. Let's not turn it into another Army of Darkness...

      I can read the words, but I don't understand what they are saying.....
      Confused...

      --
      That's right. All your base.
  42. Ridiculous by iamzack · · Score: 1

    This is moronic. The hell sequence was one of the best parts about Doom 3. I still think Doom 2 was the best Doom game, though. The concept of hell on earth was pretty damn scary.

  43. The Rock! by travdaddy · · Score: 1

    Hey! I thought The Rock was supposed to be in this movie! But they're right, combining a movie starring a wrestler and a movie about a video game... it would never, ever, work.

    Just think about Hulk Hogan playing Mario... disasterous.

    --
    Adidas To Bring Back Sneakernet
  44. How else could it get a PG13 rating? by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

    I mean, that seems like the driving force behind movies these days.

    Hence, movies get butchered into an appropriate state for (an American) 13 year old to be allowed to go and see... or something like that (if I understand the meaning of PG13 right).

    Look what they did to Aliens vs. Predator.

    And then theres the tragedy of Riddick.

    This will happen to the Doom movie as well.

    --
    In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
    1. Re:How else could it get a PG13 rating? by Sir+Foxx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Spawn got a PG-13 rating and it still included Hell. Movie still sucked but it still included Hell.

      --
      "I don't which is worse, that everyone has a price, or that the price is always so low"--Hobbes
    2. Re:How else could it get a PG13 rating? by CaptRespect · · Score: 1

      The funny thing is that everyone who played doom when it first came out is at least in their 20's. Anyone that's really going to care about this movie is not going to be under 13.

    3. Re:How else could it get a PG13 rating? by lowe0 · · Score: 1

      The producers are less interested in who cares about the Doom universe and more concerned about how many kids' asses they can put in seats at 8 bucks a pop.

      I'm glad Bungie is holding out for Ridley Scott before granting the film rights to Halo.

    4. Re:How else could it get a PG13 rating? by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      Really, It's a rated "M" brand game anyway...It's not like 13 year-olds are the target audience.

    5. Re:How else could it get a PG13 rating? by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Same with Aliens vs Predator.

      How many kids in its target audience said "but isn't the predator an alien too?"

      --
      In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
    6. Re:How else could it get a PG13 rating? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thouhght the same kind of thing when watchign the video to Rebel vs. Thug.

  45. Comment from the writer of the Czech article by RotJ · · Score: 1
    From here:

    As you can see from the signature at the ende of Novinky.cz article (http://www.novinky.cz/04/44/23.html), I am the author of the original Doom set report (and the picture used as thumb). Unfortunately, the Dark Horizons article took some selective bits and pieces from my article (not translated really well) and basically rearranged them into different article. Although the basic facts are correct (no Mars, no Hell, no spacesuits), the tone of my article was not entirely dismissive and I think that the movie might actually work (although not on the level that Doom fanatics expect, I am afraid). The filmmakers explained to the media (very reasonably) that there is no chance of making big-budget commercial Hollywood movie featuring upside-down crosses and "666" symbols. They also explained the secret "Final Twist" of the movie (making the ending of "The Village" seem positively tame in comparison) which was the reason why there are no spacesuits and almost no planet exteriors in the movie...
    1. Re:Comment from the writer of the Czech article by RotJ · · Score: 3, Funny

      Also, the probable final twist:
      Space marine discover Statue of Libert half-buried in sand, realizes the remote planet was actually Earth, and shouts "You maniacs! You blew it up! Damn you! God damn you all to nasty super-virus!"

    2. Re:Comment from the writer of the Czech article by Rams�s+Morales · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The game, with upside-down crosses and 666 symbols has been successful, three times. Why wouldn't the movie be?

      Political correctness is making this world a disaster.

    3. Re:Comment from the writer of the Czech article by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      Wasn't The Omen specifically about the evil, anti christian devil spawn?

      A movie about a cool game that appeals to now grown up 20-30somethings isn't going to touch Omen on any level, so I don't see why they left it out.
      Unless of course, they are going to the younger generation?
      The game was rated 18, so technically no minors should ever have played it (hah!) so why target a movie at anything less age wise.

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      liqbase :: faster than paper
    4. Re:Comment from the writer of the Czech article by fuxoft · · Score: 1

      I am the writer of the original Czech article (which was badly quoted by Dark Horizons article which is badly quoted here on Slashdot). And yes, you are right, the "final twist" is that the whole movie actually takes place on devastated Earth.

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      --- Frantisek Fuka (Yes, that's my real name and you have no idea how it's pronounced)

    5. Re:Comment from the writer of the Czech article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the only thing left that could possibly have been remotely interesting about this story is now spoiled as well.

      Thank you.

    6. Re:Comment from the writer of the Czech article by RotJ · · Score: 1

      If you find a cliched Planet of the Apes ending interesting, why not a cliched Resident Evil storyline?

    7. Re:Comment from the writer of the Czech article by Watts+Martin · · Score: 1

      There is no chance of making big-budget commercial Hollywood movie featuring upside-down crosses and "666" symbols.

      Because goodness knows, Hollywood sure hasn't done films about demons before. "The Exorcist," "Rosemary's Baby," "The Omen," "Fallen"... those were all about fluffy bunnies, right?

    8. Re:Comment from the writer of the Czech article by robfoo · · Score: 1

      I would prefer that he wakes up matrix-style, and realises it was all a game.

      Now *that* would be funny. And kinda ironic. In a black fly/chardonnay kinda way.

    9. Re:Comment from the writer of the Czech article by cozziewozzie · · Score: 1

      like this?

    10. Re:Comment from the writer of the Czech article by TheLink · · Score: 1

      "there is no chance of making big-budget commercial Hollywood movie featuring upside-down crosses and "666" symbols."

      Doh. Don't blame us Christians for this one - the "conservative" ones aren't ever going to be willing audiences anyway. Blame Hollywood.

      In fact I think a lot of those "conservatives" liked those movies dealing with the End-Times, and there sure are 666 symbols and other nasties.

      Maybe Hollywood is afraid of making people think about hell and those people might actually stop going for the amoral/immoral movies that Hollywood likes to make? :)

      I mean, why don't Hollywood make more crowd pleasers? Pixar seems to be able to do it. Even Disney has a better batting average... What's wrong with the rest of Hollywood?

      Removing Hell from DOOM is like removing Christ from the Passion of Christ.

      Looks like Hollywood is either incompetent or up to something really strange. They shouldn't blame others if they can't make money.

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  46. a cool tidbit by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

    A cool tidbit is the most we should expect from this franchise-exploitation effort.

    Mixing videogames and movies is like mixing milk and orange juice: they are both good on their own, but put 'em together and you end up with a foul brew.

    --

    You can't take the sky from me...

    1. Re:a cool tidbit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Orange Julius.

    2. Re:a cool tidbit by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      Orange Julius.

      Isn't there eggs in that?

      --

      You can't take the sky from me...

  47. Did they say... by LavaDevil94 · · Score: 1

    "Political reasons"? What kind of stupid reason is that? Passion of the Christ upset religions, but they did it anyway, in all it's gory glory. I fail to see why the same thing can't happen here.

  48. This shows id have lost it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    First they release D3 with its fucking monster closets and repetitive 5 fps gameplay, and now they allow a film of this shit calibre to be made.

    John Carmack is turning into the John Romero of the noughties.

  49. Wait! Let me guess! by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1
    The true villian will be an evil corporation led by evil, conservative, businessmen.

    I'm right, aren't I?

    --
    --- Ban humanity.
  50. Re:suckers by space_jake · · Score: 1, Funny

    Probably just a GeForce 6800 Ultra OC with a few letters tagged on the end like BG $$ VG LE SE $!

  51. Event Horizon by Nohea · · Score: 1

    Someone pointed out to me that this film already lifted most of the elements from DOOM. I realized he was right.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119081/

    1. Re:Event Horizon by kusanagi374 · · Score: 1

      And then, you find out why they have ditched the "supernatural" in favour of "some stupid virus" for the Doom movie:

      "Event Horizon" is one of the worst films that I have ever seen. Very rarely has so much talent and money been squandered on such an ugly mess of a movie. The film deals with an outer space crew who is trying to retrieve a mysterious ship which is trapped deep in the outer limits. The original crew have all been killed and now this crew must find out why. Why? Why? Why? That seems to be the key question of this film. The screenplay is all over the universe. It adds elements from films like "The Exorcist", "Aliens", "The Abyss", "Apollo 13", "Jaws", and just about every other film ever produced. If one idea had been used throughout, then the film would have been admirable and watchable if nothing else. However the references to the aforementioned films make "Event Horizon" a movie that wants desperately to be good, but just does not have the goods to make that dream a reality. Turkey (0 out of 5 stars).

      The public doesn't like the idea of "supernatural monsters from another dimension". So, we could either have a great Doom movie that ends up being a failure for the masses, or a blasphemy to all fans, but a moneymaker. You, as a hollywood director, would pick what?

    2. Re:Event Horizon by sharok · · Score: 1

      Sorry, the public has no issue with other-dimension goonies. It does not, however, like badly-done rip-offs from 20 other movies.

      Doom had no role model to follow in its time. Its message is consistent. I do believe that a proper scenario, respecting the main premises of the game, would have a chance at success.

      The main elements I count would be :

      - demons from Hell (Hell yes, Mr righteous !)
      - teleporter portal mistake (no virus)
      - single (or small group of) Space Marine(s) trying to survive (SWAT team out of the picture)
      - not on Earth nor on the Moon (to avoid governmental oversight in a clearly illegal project)

      I would accept the "single" marine being replaced by a small squad - even though that would break from the game. But it would be more realistic to see the group being whittled down a man at a time than to see a single guy mow through dozens of demons.
      But that is the limit of the concessions I am prepared to accept in a Doom movie.

      So this version is off my To View list.

    3. Re:Event Horizon by Nohea · · Score: 1

      I saw this movie, and i didn't think it was poorly made - more like very dark, scary, and depressing. But it was interesting, and i don't mind movies which leave the viewer a lot to figure out.

      I'd have to agree, it is so dark, that was a good reason for the lack of commercial success.

    4. Re:Event Horizon by kusanagi374 · · Score: 1

      Exactly why I liked Event Horizon. But, in most people's point of view, the movie just plain sucked. IMO, the same would happen if they made a faithful Doom3 movie... and don't even let me get started with Half-Life2 (you have to guess pretty much everything).

  52. demographically targeted tripe by Magickcat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sounds like a version of 28 Days Later based on Mars to me."

    Funny, it sounds like a market share placed, demographically targeted pile of cliched froth from where I'm siting.

    To think that Phillip K Dick never made a cent on his books and died poor before recieving a cent on Bladerunner - and this thin "plot" from a video game makes it to the movies.

    The boys at ID will be glad for the money, but it doesn't sound like great sci-fi, let alone art.

    --

    Si tacuisses philosophus mansisses. If you had kept quiet, you would have remained a philosopher.

    1. Re:demographically targeted tripe by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Sure looks like something is wrong with their targeting/locking...

      The lasers are painting the target audience (which is letting out a lot of hot air to make it easy).

      But they switched to using the wrong sort of missiles - they're Hollywood Director guided.

      --
  53. Hollywood screws up again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, I'm going to go see this movie. It's already in line to be another Street Figher. Bah.

  54. How to screw up a game-movie 101 by crazyphilman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "The monsters aren't from hell, but rather people mutated by some nasty super-virus although the monsters look very similar to those in the game" Oh, and it's not on Mars anymore.

    Ok, show of hands: who here is sick and tired of directors or producers who want to do a movie based on a game, but who can't get around their personal preferences and start making major changes to the story? Take this "they're not from Hell" and "it's not on mars" thing.

    Whoever made the change is probably thinking "Oh, I don't like religion, and I don't believe in Hell, so let's come up with a pseudo-scientific premise instead... Viruses seem to be pretty popular lately, and 28 Days Later was a big hit... It'll be easier to convince the money people if we're copying a successful franchise... Let's do a virus. Hell is so passe..."

    And he's probably thinking "Mars? There is nothing on mars but red dirt. And it isn't sexy enough. Let's make it a planet far, far away. And let's make the Pinky demon a loveable character so people will be conflicted when it attacks! Yes, that will be interesting."

    And as far as the armor goes, well, they're probably just being cheap. It's easier to Ebay for used SWAT team armor than to build realistic DOOM armor, isn't it? Course it is. And all movie directors/producers "know" that we're all too stupid to know the difference, anyway. Bastards...

    If I could get a few of these boors into a tiny, windowless room and apply a cluebat to them, I would simply say that if you're going to adapt a game, KEEP THE FUCKING STORY. Keep the characters and technology. KEEP THE LOOK OF THE ENVIRONMENT. Keep the main idea intact. You don't have to make the movie a shot-by-shot copy of the game, but for Christ's sake, don't change everything! Tone down the ego, boys, and up the humility.

    Not like there's any chance of that. VIdeo-game movies are going to continue to suck forever more because of the immense egos of the people with enough power and money to produce/direct. There's no help for it.

    We're better off just playing the games themselves, and letting the movies die out from disappointing box office returns.

    NOTE, and COUNTEREXAMPLE: I thought Alien Vs. Predator wasn't bad, because they staged the movie in "the past" (still our future), predating all the games and other movies, and adding in some tasty backstory (how Weyland-Yutani got started, why they're so interested in aliens and predators, etc). So obviously SOME people can get it right.

    That movie's only problem was insufficient Predator-Alien whoop-ass. Maybe they had a shortage (only a few cans got delivered?).

    --
    Farewell! It's been a fine buncha years!
    1. Re:How to screw up a game-movie 101 by G-funk · · Score: 1

      AVP Wasn't bad if-you've never seen any of the predator / alien movies.

      IT'S IN THE FUCKING SNOW!!!!

      Predators hate the cold. They only EVER come during heatwaves. This was well established in the movies.

      How exactly does the predator leave behind his arm bomb? We know it doesn't work when not attached to the suit (thanks danny glover) and since when was the predator a "leave the bomb behind and run away" pussy?

      And how did the queen alien become some jurassic park leftover when we weren't looking?

      The whole face hugger -> full grown alien transition gets shorter and shorter too. Unless of course it's in a predator and you want to have a "sequel hook" ending.

      --
      Send lawyers, guns, and money!
    2. Re:How to screw up a game-movie 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      KEEP THE LOOK OF THE ENVIRONMENT
      Don't worry. I hear it'll be two hours of a black screen. In otherwords, exactly like the game.
    3. Re:How to screw up a game-movie 101 by crazyphilman · · Score: 1

      You got me there... Yeah, they did, ah, ALTER a few things, which I thought weren't that cool, but overall, they did a much better job of keeping the general feel of the games than (for instance) the Resident Evil movies. I got the feeling they at least tried.

      There was a really funny sendup of AVP on MrCranky (www.mrcranky.com, look for the link for currently playing movies, it's probably in there). He said that what got him was, the director decided that all the predator needed was a BUDDY! So it got turned into a buddy flick. He went off on that aspect of the movie.

      Ok, I take it back, AVP wasn't so hot. But at least I didn't think it was *terrible*... You could kind of fit it into the storyline, if you squinted and tilted your head a bit.

      How can they have Doom not take place on Mars? And not involve Hell? I mean, to be that bad AVP would have to have had the aliens and the predator turn out to be Boston bluebloods who drank different versions of a fermented Tom Collins...

      --
      Farewell! It's been a fine buncha years!
    4. Re:How to screw up a game-movie 101 by Mant · · Score: 1

      I had a problem with the snow too, then someone pointed out the temple was giving of a huge themeral signature. Presumably the temple itself was therefore pretty warm, and the Predators were not outside long.

      As for the bomb, maybe it can be set off without the suit if the Predator codes it too.

      You're right about the transition now, those aliens seem to grow much quicker than before.

    5. Re:How to screw up a game-movie 101 by mink · · Score: 1

      I was rooting/hoping the one scientist guy (who worked out the timing) would manage to make it out or at least much farther in the movie. Why can't someone who is smart and resourceful be successful as well?

      --
      Well I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years doctor, and I'm happy to say I finally won out over it.
  55. Wake me up by Ann+Coulter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When they make something on par with Alien, Aliens, or Event Horizon. Aliens was part of what Doom was based on. In fact, Doom originally used an Aliens license.

    The next time I go to a horror or horror action film, I want to be deeply disturbed. The new Texas Chainsaw Massacre did that for me. Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection both missed it entirely (even though Resurrection did have some xenoeroticism, hehe). We need more original horror films.

    Hell and body mutilation tend to be pretty good ways to disturb me. Event Horizon had both. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre had both. Aliens a Hellish evironment plus body mutilation. Alien had the latter.

    If Doom the movie has people being cut open, internal organs spread out on the operating table, hung by hooks, and surrounded by Satanic symbols, I might watch it. If Doom has wall textures that look like spinal cords, sewn skin, pipes of blood, behemoth demon brains, and decorations based on tortured human bodies, I might watch it. But if it is just another zombie film with the good guys being chased by zombies for the rest of the film, I'll just make my own film to disturb.

    In conclusion, H. R. Giger (the man who designed the artwork for Alien) should design the atmosphere for Doom the movie.

    1. Re:Wake me up by Osty · · Score: 1

      Aliens was part of what Doom was based on. In fact, Doom originally used an Aliens license.

      I'm pretty sure that's not the case, though Alien(s) as an inspiration for Doom isn't hard to see. More likely you're thinking about the Aliens modification for Quake that was "Foxed" (independent modders decided to make a Quake Total Conversion (TC) based on Aliens, but Fox shut it down on copyright infringment, giving rise to the term "Foxed" for something being stopped because it uses copyrighten (copyrighted?) material without permission).

    2. Re:Wake me up by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Heh. Kinda funny that movie studios get people who don't know what a "Franchise"/"Brand" is about and pay them to make stuff about it, whereas they shut down people who "live, eat and breathe" it, who are doing it for free.

      They are obviously more interested in spreading a different meme than the "Franchise Universe".

      One of greed and tyranny perhaps?

      --
    3. Re:Wake me up by skadus · · Score: 1
      Actually, according to Masters of Doom, Alien was one of the ideas bouncing around before they decided upon Doom:

      There was another idea on the table too: Aliens. [...] After some research, Jay found the rights were available. He thought they could get a deal. But then they decided against it. They didn't want some big movie company telling them what they could and couldn't put in the game. The technology Carmack had come up with was way too impressive to compromise, they thought. So it was back to the brainstorming.
    4. Re:Wake me up by Osty · · Score: 1

      Actually, according to Masters of Doom, Alien was one of the ideas bouncing around before they decided upon Doom:

      I haven't read the book, but what you quoted sounds quite a bit different than the original poster's "Doom originally used an Aliens license". That they kicked around the idea of maybe doing a game based on Aliens doesn't mean that they ever pursued the license or even seriously considered it (I would think that checking for rights is routine, and not necessarily an indication of seriousness).

    5. Re:Wake me up by Tzarius · · Score: 1

      The next time I go to a horror or horror action film, I want to be deeply disturbed.
      (snip)
      H. R. Giger (the man who designed the artwork for Alien) should design the atmosphere for Doom the movie.


      Amen, brother. The depiction of Hell in Doom 3 (for the most part) didn't really seem like a heavily freaky place, only some floating bricks and lava everywhere. I don't think Giger would do a conventional Hell, but that's kind of the point - unexpected == good.
      I want to see more original movies, but those in control of the big budget productions are horribly short sighted, greedy and narrow minded. They gauge success based on opening night / week figures, really before word-of-mouth has time to spread around (which is the better indicator of artistic success). They'll only spend big on the proven formulas - which means no backing for creative projects. And all too often, when they do take a chance on an unknown, they'll chop and change it to take it away from the creator's vision and into the mainstream, butchering it in the process. I guess I'll just have to wait for the filter of time to erode the crap from the brilliant. Or, eDonkey. Whatever works ...

      Apologies for length.

    6. Re:Wake me up by SamSim · · Score: 1
      The next time I go to a horror or horror action film, I want to be deeply disturbed.

      I guess you're waiting for Salad Fingers: The Motion Picture?

    7. Re:Wake me up by zenmojodaddy · · Score: 1

      I just watched Aliens again recently after seeing Alien Vs Predator and I felt like crying. It's like seeing your best friend devolve into a mollusc.

      The only film that has really given me the screaming wiggins for years is The Grudge. Christ, I nearly shat myself when I first saw it. Second time around was even worse, because I knew exactly when the brown trouser moments were incoming and got myself completely wound up way in advance. Plus the cinema was completely empty. Man, that was not a pleasant experience.

      Still gonna get it on DVD though.

    8. Re:Wake me up by skadus · · Score: 1

      True. I was mostly just pointing out that there was a bit of truth behind the misinformation.

    9. Re:Wake me up by mr_snarf · · Score: 1

      Hrm. Dunno why everyone keeps saying the AvP movie was crap. I really enjoyed it. Don't get me wrong, the plot was simple, stupid and the acting was terrible, but was a good action movie. I guess I quite liked playing AvP2, I sort of like the universe its set in. (Not really the proper Alien(s) universe, just its own).

      Having said that, I couldn't watch AvP again and enjoy it.

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    10. Re:Wake me up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was forced to watch house of a thousand corpses against my will and was deeply disturbed by how crappy of a movie it was.

  56. They're already screwed up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are they not going with the original theme of Doom? Why must it be some virus, and not demons from hell? WHO CARES ABOUT RELIGIOUS MATERIAL?

    There's a thing called "Continuity" that most people don't think about. thy'll get the wrong idea of the movie, especially those that have NEVER played the game before, and some stupid argument will break out on whether it was a virus or if it was hell-spawned demons, and someone's gonna get hurt over something THAT STUPID.

    I bet the religious right-wing has something to do with this.

  57. illusions by kaje103 · · Score: 0

    I can see it now.

    "Due to a shortage of money, we have decided to create the movie using the Doom 3 engine. But not like it matters anyways, because of the great graphics this engine has to offer, most people will be too stupid to realize that's what it is. Even Pixar will cry. That is all."

  58. "Start to Crate" disses all Sokoban fans by tepples · · Score: 1

    i wonder if we will be able to apply the Start To Crate rating system to the movie like we can to the game.

    Only people who do not like the game Sokoban can trust such a rating system. Avid players of Sokoban and similar games (such as FCI's Boxxle, which was slammed on page 7) believe that the "start to crate" review system unfairly penalizes their favorite game, which doesn't try to hide that it's about pushing crates around.

    1. Re:"Start to Crate" disses all Sokoban fans by SirDrinksAlot · · Score: 1

      I see you missed the humor in the concept and that amuses me.

    2. Re:"Start to Crate" disses all Sokoban fans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meanwhile, many hentai games (which are certainly not good games by any stretch of the imagination, whatever you think of hentai) feature no crates at all. And must therefore be infinitely good. I hope that debunks the StC rating system adequately...

    3. Re:"Start to Crate" disses all Sokoban fans by WWWWolf · · Score: 1

      I just believe Boxxle was just wrongfully accused.

      After all, Sokoban is a puzzle game, and the Puzzle Game Design Rule states that in nine out of ten cases, puzzle games have to be about placing or arranging objects consisting of one or more rectangles (or cubes, in case of 3D games).

      In the modern era where logic games, like all games, strive for "realistic" graphics, they're usually represented by crates, so this rule is fundamentally in conflict with with the Crate Review System, therefore the Crate Review System should not be used for puzzle games at all.

  59. You don't want more of this? by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 4, Insightful
    THEN DON'T GO SEE IT!

    Don't rent it, either. Wait until it's can be seen someplace where your viewing of it does no contribute any extra to it's coffers. Encourage others to give it a miss.

    I lost track long ago of the number of times I have heard people say, "It's going to suck! I *have* to see it!" And then the same people wonder wny most movies blow white hot chunks.

    If you must have the needs and character of a three year old, at least have some patience (is it *that* emotionally difficult to avoid seeing a suckfest?) and view it in a way that does not encourage Hollywood to make any more.

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    1. Re:You don't want more of this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The big problem with this is what happens after the impending failure of this "diet margarine" to Doom's bloody stick of "butter". After they fail to break even, any further attempt at making a movie version of Doom will be swiftly ignored as the movie execs will see no dollar signs when a well done script under the title of "Doom" is put on their desks. This butchering will be the foul taste the "Doom" movie will be remembered for.

      Man, and from what I've seen so far, even Bruce Campbell could not save this...

      So that's why this geek is complaining, well that and I like the chime of righteousness that my keyboard makes..... love that sound...

    2. Re:You don't want more of this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly! Don't go see movies in the theater, that's just what they want you to do. If you want to see a sucky movie, just wait until the week before release, then grab the torrent.

    3. Re:You don't want more of this? by Hieronymus+Howard · · Score: 1

      THEN DON'T GO SEE IT!

      I'm not going to.

      Don't rent it, either.

      I'm not planning to rent it.

      Wait until it's can be seen someplace where your viewing of it does no contribute any extra to it's coffers

      I'm not going to waste my time doing this either.

  60. Point your finger in the right direction by locnar42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Everyone keeps blaming the *insert religious group here* for making the plot changes so the monsters aren't from Hell. The problem with that though is that religious people are the only ones who believe in Hell. It's not their fault. I blame the non-religious people that don't believe in Hell. The studio is trying to make the movie more believable to these people. Super virus is believable to everybody. Hell demons are only for the religious. Screw all you non-religious people. Here's my finger.

    1. Re:Point your finger in the right direction by kaje103 · · Score: 0

      I know...Passion of the Christ totally should not have been about religion. Who believes that stuff anyways?

    2. Re:Point your finger in the right direction by entrigant · · Score: 1

      I don't believe in vampires, but for some reason I love the idea of them. There are many movies and even a couple of tv shows (you have 2 guesses) centered around them that I adore. This whole believability complex is really starting to annoy me. I've met more than my share of people who will hate a movie screaming "like THAT would ever happen!" The entire point of fantasy and fiction is to let go of reality for a while and hopefully experience a world that only the human imagination could create. Just because I don't believe Hell exists doesn't mean I wouldn't enjoy a good science fiction/horror/fantasy flick based on the premise of DOOM... if there was one being made.

      Of course, you probably are (I hope) just messing around (dare I say trolling?), but there are those who will by some twist of logic agree with what you say oblivious to that. I hope they are reading this :).

    3. Re:Point your finger in the right direction by IncarnadineConor · · Score: 1

      Gah. Why would the EVER treat Doom as being believable?!? It's a movie! It's supposed to be entertaining, not something I mistake for a news broadcast.

  61. More like Capt. Lou Albano by tepples · · Score: 1

    Just think about Hulk Hogan playing Mario... disasterous.

    Would you rather have Captain Lou Albano playing Mario?

    1. Re:More like Capt. Lou Albano by travdaddy · · Score: 1

      Whoa, I totally forgot about that! At least he didn't play Mario in the movie........ on second thought, changing anything about the Super Mario movie may have helped it!

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  62. Monsters from Heck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... doesn't really have the same ring to it.

  63. in response by LabRat404 · · Score: 0

    "A correspondent of Novinky.Cz recently attended the Prague set of "Doom" and reported back a well spring of information in regards to the video game adaptation. Originally, the $70 million film was supposed to be helmed by Enda McCallion. Later, he was replaced by Andrzej Bartkowiak. Screenwriter Dave Callahan claims "everyone was keen to keep the game's atmosphere", though there are some "minor" changes done to the film's concept: The monsters have nothing to do with hell, the plot is not taking place on Mars and "space marines" are not well "space marines" as their outfits are more like SWAT team members. The story follows eight marines, teleported into a command centre of a secret base on a remote planet. There, they learn that something strange is happening and soon monsters start to appear. The monsters aren't from hell, but rather people mutated by some nasty super-virus although the monsters look very similar to those in the game. One character is a technician called "Pinky" who has a cybernetic wheelchair thanks to a bad teleporting accident. Pinky later mutates into something remotely resembling a creature from Doom 3. Producers claim that the film will be more of a horror than an action shooter. There will be loads of shooting though, especially in the end where a large number of sequences will be shot purely in "first-person" perspective of the leading character (Karl Urban). The chainsaw and Bio Force Gun do appear in the film. " first of all, everyone knows its not a "Bio Force Gun"...its a Big Fkucing gun. I, as well as anyone that knows of me, consider myself a huge fan of the Doom series. what I get out of this is basically: " we have change the whole story, changed the environment, changed the main character's role, threw in some crap that we thought was cool [ala SUPER-virus!] all for the sake of ruining the name of a PC gaming legend. oh, but we kept the same monsters! except, a pinky demon sits in a wheel chair." I was actually looking forward to this movie. now I realize its been completely screwed by the movie industry. I'd ask if this was an independant film, but from what I've seen, this has to be hollywood's fault. it better have some cacodemans, hell-knights, barons, soem lost sould, and an arch-vile. imps are a given, they're sure to screw up the former human sergents and soldiers, and I already know the pinkie demon is screwed. I want HELL, not some fancy virus! I'm sick of virii in movies...its time for change. lets go back to the good old days of movies like "The Gate". that was a great movie.

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  64. It's not a religious issue, it's a reality issue by KalvinB · · Score: 0, Troll

    The "jesusland" people would be pissed that there's so much gore and whatnot. If the fact that a human is conquering hell was a "jesusland" problem I can think of other movies that present the same idea that got to theaters just fine without a rewrite of the key plot device. "End of Days" being one of them.

    The problem is that "hell isn't real." Being mutated by crazy viruses is real (or at least a scientific possibility).

    I wouldn't blame "jesusland" for this one. I'd blame atheists who are trying to make the movie more realistic (and therefore more scary). Since hell doesn't actually exist according to them, it's the first to go.

    But hey, let's blame the Jews (er Christians) for spoiling all our fun. Rather than standard Hollywood proceedure of picking plot devices that sell. Religious scapegoats are more fun.

  65. Why?! by bhunachchicken · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why do script writers and movie studios feel the need to take well established idea and change it into something completely different?

    Since this movie no longer revolves around neither Hell or Mars can you really still call it Doom?

    Doom was and always has been (to my knowledge) a game about a marine who has to battle against the forces of hell on Mars. He does this in the first game and he does this in the third (Doom 2 was on Earth).

    I've heard the reasons before that the film studios often feel they need to make the movie appeal to both those who know the story and those that don't... But in this case is it so hard?!

    * Marines answer distress call from planet
    * Planet was secret government base into new form of travel
    * Gateway to Hell opened
    * Marines attempt to close gate and escape from planet
    * None of them make it except one
    * Irony is that the survivor (and lead character) actually died when the dropship crash landed at the start of the film and is trapped in Hell forever.
    * The other marines infact actually closed the gate and escaped, but since the lead is in Hell he didn't know that.

    Easy.

  66. Ha ha ha! by Sebadude · · Score: 1

    This movie is going to be so hilariously bad, I'm already laughing.

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  67. The twist end... by angryflute · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Lemme guess: It's revealed in the end that everything was actually set on Earth. Some gov't/military conspiracy teleported the heroes to a lab to test the affects of a top-secret bioweapon. The End.

  68. Title Change by Satertek · · Score: 1

    Why not just call it Resident Evil 3: Doom?

  69. does anybody else remember this? by Mr.Coffee · · Score: 1

    I remember this from way back in the days when doom 2 was new, the doom novels followed (not a bad read when you're 13) and there was talk of a movie back then. i remember at the time thinking "make a movie out of a video game? like that'll happen.
    boy was i wrong.

    i feel we should all pray that this one dosen't suck.

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  70. Already been done... by Aphrika · · Score: 1

    Gus Van Sant's Elephant hand a great deal of first person perspectives in it, including a lot of long tracks down corridors (check out the trailer on the site). Essentially a Columbine-esque story, one of the key reasons for doing this was to link the viewer's point of view with that of a Doom-like computer game reputed to have influenced the Columbine killings. It's quite chilling when you watch it.

    Before that, Kubrick's The Shining was a pioneering film in using the newly invented steadicam to do some neat tracking shots - albeit at a lower angle than FPS - of Danny while he's riding his trike around the hotel.

  71. Painful! by ShiftlessXL · · Score: 1

    I'm amazed that they're still calling it Doom. Once you take out Mars and Hell what do you have left? Guns maybe. The movie that is being made isn't Doom and I'm certain I will be renting this one, if at all.

  72. super mario by jlebrech · · Score: 1

    If this is Doom then, super mario brothers was the best computer game adaptation.

  73. You forgot a step... by weaponx71 · · Score: 1

    Did the underpants gnomes teach you anything??

    1)Acquire creative control
    2)Change everything except the name
    3)?????
    4)Profit

    DUH!

    WeaponX

  74. We got warned back in August (sort of) by NG+Resonance · · Score: 2, Insightful

    http://general.gamerfeed.com/gf/news/7478/

    Todd Hollenshead: We didn't tie the script to the specific story in the game. There are lots of similarities, but there are many things that are different in a way that's not inconsistent with what we've done in the games. I believe that fans will find the story in the movie fresh and exciting, but still very much DOOM.

    Might these be the differences he mentioned?

    1. Re:We got warned back in August (sort of) by DaveCBio · · Score: 1

      No hell references, not the same type of space marine? What exaclty does it share with the games? Shotguns?

  75. Re:It's not a religious issue, it's a reality issu by YOU+LIKEWISE+FAIL+IT · · Score: 1
    "End of Days" being one of them.

    Hahaha, cmon. Nobody actually saw that, right? Right?

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  76. pussy christians vs. real christians by SethJohnson · · Score: 1



    Definitely it's not the 'PC people' that oppose demonic violence. In fact, many forms of violence in entertainment are committed against supernatural beings because it's defendable in the face of political correctness to harm demons but not humans.

    Instead, the sensitivity of making hell-related films is a reaction to the conservative members of American society who use the bible to criticize anything that's not like them. I tend to agree more with the Christians who thought the Exorcist was a terrific film because it tried to depict true evil. Unfortunately, the current crop of American Christianity shudders at the thought of depicting graphic evil, such as a possessed child violently masturbating with a crucifix. A movie like the Exorcist could NEVER be made in America today. This misconceived DOOM movie is a prime example of how Hollywood's creativity is being suffocated by America's conservatism.

    1. Re:pussy christians vs. real christians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Hollywood's creativity"? That goes right next to "military intelligence"; thanks for helping me with my oxymoron collection!

    2. Re:pussy christians vs. real christians by bm_luethke · · Score: 1

      I'm going to go out a limb here and assume you are neither conservative or Christian.

      Being that I am both I generally have a good idea why those people believe as they do, I also know quite a few of the more radical ones like the site you linked too. Though I, personally, like the violence and sex on TV and especially in games quite a bit and have little problem with it.

      As such, I seriously doubt that those radical Christians are going to have an issue that revolves around science delving into things they shouldn't and unleashing hell to destroy the sinners.

      They may have great trouble with the violence on the screen, but the issue of demons destroying Athiest for ignoring religion isn't going to bother them.

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    3. Re:pussy christians vs. real christians by slash_noodle · · Score: 1
      In regards to people making 'adjustments' to a story to avoid criticism from a group of people. I still find it hard that people take things intended as entertainment, as something to take offense of.

      If a movie or a book disagrees with your personal taste that's too bad - Don't see the movie or read the book. However, I wouldn't restrict someone else from saying bad things about a subject, since everyone should be allow to express themselves without any restrictions, so long as they are willing to allow others the same right to express themselves for or against.

      But no group(small or big) should be allowed to restrict someone else's right to an opinion or creative freedom.

      But then the question of how to deal with socially repulsive characters who deal in things like child pornography must be asked. (my opinion - aside from finding these perverts and making their lives a living hell)

  77. Hollywood has the right idea! by Mitleid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People, people! There is a reason that they've changed so much about the new DOOM movie, and that reason is the fact that DOOM was already made into a movie. They gotta look orignal now, don't they?

    All sarcasm aside, this movie is going to totally blow. DOOM is the type of intellectual property that I think can only be made into a movie ONE WAY, and this way sure as hell ain't it. The best us die-hard DOOM fans can do now is sit back and watch it crash and burn horribly, never to be spoken of again. As far as I'm concerned, they might as well have given it to someone who could at least butcher it in style like Uwe Boll, but he was probably busily turning another videogame liscence into pure tripe.

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    1. Re:Hollywood has the right idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, since when did Event Horizon happen on Mars?

      And where are the Cacodemons?

      Doom wasn't already made, moron.

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  78. Place your bets now by Nine+Tenths+of+The+W · · Score: 4, Funny

    Which of these forthcoming game adaptations is going to be the worst:
    Doom
    Duke Nukem
    Dungeons and Dragons 2
    Vampire:The Masquerade

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    1. Re:Place your bets now by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      After the horrible gothy soap opera that was "Kindred: The Embraced" and the disappointment that was "V:TM Redemption", I have to vote for "Vampire: The Masquerade"

    2. Re:Place your bets now by Tzarius · · Score: 1

      In order of suckage, most to least:

      D&D 2.
      Doom.
      Vampire: TM.
      Duke Nukem. (well.. it's already cheesy, no?)


      But, I have greater fears for the live action Evangelion movie. If they fuck it up, no one will ever get the budget to try it again and do it properly.

  79. First person view? by UncleJimbo · · Score: 1

    That'll only piss off the consolers!! They'd better include some third person action to.

  80. Slight changes by Fenix+Drakken · · Score: 1

    Doom: Space Marine on the moons of Mars fights evil demons from the bowels of Hell. Doom Movie: Generic marines on some planet fight evil monsters that are really humans mutated by a virus. They... they do know what Doom is, right?

    1. Re:Slight changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well of course they do, in both cases the marines are Doomed!

  81. sounds like.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    another videogame movie pile of dog turds to me

  82. No No NO! That's called D&D by infonography · · Score: 1

    And We all know how bad that movie turned out.

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  83. As I said before... by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

    ..when the movie was first posted on slashdot: They are going to take what makes doom doom, and fuck it up.

    So, to anybody actually associated with this movie, you can rest assured that I will not be going to see it. And further, I will tell everyone I know not to see it. And yes, I will lie if I have to to keep them from seeing it.

    Because I am an asshole.

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  84. Doom movie might be bad? by WiggyWack · · Score: 1

    Whoa, the Doom movie might be bad? Wow, that's hard to believe considering how successful most of the movies based on video games have been. Like... well... I'm sure they're out there.

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    1. Re:Doom movie might be bad? by Sam+Jackson · · Score: 1

      Gosh you really think? I mean it may have some potential..... SLAP!!! Owwww, had to knock myself back into reality. I wonder if it will be as bad as that J. Lo and Ben Aflac movie.

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  85. Harry Potter by Uukrul · · Score: 1

    Happens with nearly every adaptation of any existing book/comic book/game into a movie.
    If JK.Rowling can chose not to make a movie with Spielberg any one can have creative control. But book authors are more interested in money than in the creative control. When they have the money in their pocket they complain about the creative process.

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    1. Re:Harry Potter by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1

      Did she "choose" not to pick Spielberg? Or was he not available?

  86. Demons or Zombies? by stealth.c · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a version of 28 Days Later based on Mars to me.

    And using the doorway-into-hell story of the original game could be compared to Event Horizon. What's your point? Besides, IMHO, 28 Days Later was good. Better, in fact, than Event Horizon.

    1. Re:Demons or Zombies? by Mant · · Score: 1

      His point is that isn't Doom,Ddoom is about a doorway to Hell, not a virus.

  87. Best movie to pull off hell plot... by UltimaL337Star · · Score: 1

    I think Dark Horizon comes to mind, actually freaked me out too... Doom could have a story similar to that, tbough it might start to feel like Aliens on a gigantic space station or asteroid instead of that small planet thing...

  88. Time for the game and film industries to split up by cjrichard · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Personally I think that video gaming as an industry needs to distance itself from the film industry. Over the years, through countless tie-ins and franchises (most of which have been risible), we have come to associate them as natural bedfellows. It is a massive cash cow for all involved, but ultimately they dilute the franchise and leave gaming/films fans feeling cheated and disappointed. Especially game fans: paying £40 for a substandard piece of advertising isn't very fun. Dropping the shameless cash-ins and concentrating on upping the thrills and emotions felt and desired by both game and film fans would be much appreciated :) I would much rather watch a film which captures the claustrophobic and downright scary nature of Doom, than one which simply shares the name.

  89. But what's the objection to hell? by DoninIN · · Score: 1

    I live in a red state, just above the buckle of the bible belt. I understand that some people around here would be somewhat distressed by the portrayal of demons and demonic images. But after all wouldn't our fearless hero be blasting the crap out of the demons? Waging a sort of literal spiritual warfare? Blowing the crap out of all things demonic? If they're worried about the suspension of disbelief. Well it's a movie based on a video game were stuff gets blown up a lot. I mean a LOT. So I don't get the virus over the escape from hell thing. I don't see Christians being alienated after all. The literalist bible belter types seem to believe that there are literal bogeymen type demons like Cacodemons and lost souls, well if they don't then perhaps they just act like they do.

    1. Re:But what's the objection to hell? by happyemoticon · · Score: 1

      Well yeah, I agree with you on that point. Literalist interpreters would love it. I'd love it for many of the same reasons. But:

      A) The mentalities of hollywood and most huge businesses stress minimizing negatives and risks, rather than maximizing potential gains with the possibility of failure. That's why they would rather, for instance, put out more mediocre Britney Spears albums than one by an innovative artist who some people might dislike, and why many films are described as simpy, derivative and morally easy. And

      B) The portrayal of demons and hell would offend some people. Imagine: Parent's groups would come out against it saying it's trying to indoctrinate computer game fans, and the same "values-oriented" ones who got video games banned after Colombine, would say it's causing kids to shoot one another on the pretense of being demons. Those people have a disproportionate amount of media sway.

  90. I predict it will be as authentic as another great by 2TecTom · · Score: 1

    sci-fi classic ... Starship Troopers.

    Please, if you can't do it right, don't bother.

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  91. An appropriate name by Kash-Mulc · · Score: 1

    Evil mutating viruses... teleportation... using game concept to make a "horror" movie... I can't see how they could be more ironic by choosing the title as Doom.

  92. Re:No No NO! That's called Starship Troopers 2 by mcheu · · Score: 1

    You haven't seen how bad this could become until you've had a chance to check out the Starship Troopers 2 DVD. Even the "extras" were embarassing, as they essentially had the producers talk about the movie they WOULD have made if they had more money.

  93. No Hell ?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is what made DOOM unique - Crossing from SciFi to Fantasy Dimensions from space to the Pit of the Darkness...

    Could make a good 'movie with a message'.

    With not weapons causing the win at the end
    but people's faith giving them strength to overcome the Evil...

    Pity,
    'The Fifth Element' used SciFi and Ultimate Evil and LeeLu Mul-Tee-Pass very effectively...

  94. Dume 3 by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1

    Dude, Doom 3 looks so damn realistic, I don't understand why they can't design the movie world in a Doom universe and record actual gameplay to make a movie. This will add a little bit of randomness and uncertainty into the production of the movie, enabling things the producer hasn't quite thought of to happen in the movie. It would be bitchen. That could then be edited in the traditional filming style to include the best parts in the movie. This would be so awesome.

    1. Re:Dume 3 by Triskele · · Score: 1

      My friend, what you are describing is called Machinima - go HERE to find out more and see some great indie game-based animation. Maybe it'll inspire you to make your own movie of Doom 3 to spread round the underground.

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  95. This is the synopsis (REAL) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, you want to know how much this movie sucks?

    The movie is about this guy visiting his scientist sister on the base of an unnamed alien planet. A "virus" starts mutating people. Turns out the virus mutates people into outward forms of their inner selves. Still with me?
    So he and his sister are running from these lame "Doom monsters" that aren't really monsters but just mutated humans because of a super-virus. But the reason the virus doesn't infect our hero main character is because--honest to god--the virus knows he's too good inside.

    To stop the monsters, his sister injects him with the virus--turning him into a super-angelic form. Because he's good inside.

    The movie has nothing to do with the Doom we all know and love nor the recently released Doom 3. It's retarded Hollywood crap, and it's sad because I can envision the perfect all-time horror film in my head, Doom the movie. It's not hard to make a good film from this game. Really, it's not.

    1. Re:This is the synopsis (REAL) by mink · · Score: 1

      I remember this movies, I think it was called Swamp Thing.

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  96. Bad idea already... by CFBMoo1 · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry, but if they don't stick with the game's basic parts. Mars + Monsters From Hell + ... it's gonna flop in my opinion. Especially if they're worried about shocking people. I know games to movies don't always work, but this has potential to make a good horror film and they're going to wash it out by making it more ficticious by removing the hell and mars part.

    Granted the existance of hell is up for debate by people, it still touches very close to home more then some far off planet with a whacked out virus. Also I think Mars is more appealing because 1> it stick with the game and 2> we as humans are actively taking a closer look at Mars with the rover missions and whatnot. This could be a nice little interest booster even if it's a horror film.

    I think if they go with what the article said is going to happen the film is totally ruined and shouldn't even bare the Doom name.

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  97. Re:suckers by Shinmizu · · Score: 2

    You forgot the big "R" that makes it go thrice as fast.

  98. Pricing and Niche Market by Excen · · Score: 0

    The whole success of the Doom game franchise was dependant on the gaming (read: niche) market quickly realizing that these games were the pinnacle of the First-Person-Shooter Video Game at their release dates. Since movies are designed to appeal to the widest range of people, instead of trying to attract a specific market who will see the movie multiple times, it's highly unlikely that the people making the movie will adhere to the essential elements that made the Doom franchise so popular.

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  99. The same old story by Decessus · · Score: 1

    This is why games that are turned into movies always fail horribly. The only people that can really be guaranteed to go see a movie like this are the people that played the video game in the first place. When Hollywood changes such major aspects of the plot, a big reason to go see the movie for gamers is removed. Non-gamers arn't going to go see the movie because it's unfamiliar to them, and gamers arn't going to go see the movie because it isn't in the spirit of the game they loved in the first place. Hollywood should concentrate on taking a game plot and fleshing it out into a good movie, instead of changing the entire concept and making a really horrible movie.

  100. Surprised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is everybody so surprised Hollywood seems to be turning this movie into a total piece of crap?

    They're only interested in making a fast buck, they don't give a shit about artistic merits or what this movie should really look like.

    Why did you think they wanted to make a movie about a video game in the first place?

  101. Evil Computer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No Mars and no hellspawns.

    Super virus.

    I swear if a computer AI gone mad is thrown in, someone is getting kicked in the balls.

    Besides, they should just make a System Shock movie. A real one and not a knock off like Virus was or Event Horizon tried to be.

    Damn you, Jamie Lee, and you, Paul Anderson! Wait, wait. I take that back. She was awesome in True Lies.

  102. paranoid much? by kajoob · · Score: 0, Troll

    or maybe creating all the space scenes is infinitely expensive and they want to save some money by just setting the movie on earth. Do they have tinfoil hats in your world? You should look into a size small.

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  103. (semi)ob. sluggy reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least the monsters in Doom could be from another dimension

    Lord Horribus: Welcome to the Dimension of Pain!

    Torg: Can I use the restroom?

    Horribus: No, you can't.

    1. Re:(semi)ob. sluggy reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Lord Horribus: Hello Torg. Allow me to formally welcome you back to the dimension of pain.

      Torg: Can I...

      Lord Horribus: You still cannot use the restroom, no.

      Torg: Meany.

      Torg: ummm... You shall not pass?

      www.sluggy.com

  104. *crying* by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    Why do movie producers INSIST on alienating and disgusting their target market?

    It's not like people who weren't familiar with the game are going to go see it. (Unless it involves a hot female role: See Ecks vs. Sever or Tomb Raider).

    But jesus, it's Doom. It fucking WRITES ITSELF. Just give us imps, gore, and cool FX in space and hell.

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  105. Strange Days. by Lord+Prox · · Score: 1

    also hot lesiban sex first person and first person-third person-first person feedback loop rape murder. (think bout that one for a minute.)

    Written and produced by James Cameron

    1. Re:Strange Days. by Seanasy · · Score: 1

      I remember that movie. I stumbled across while searching for ravioli recipes on Gnutella.

  106. Or how about sometimes the movies are interesting? by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1
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  107. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    on the same day, November 2nd, 'Jesusland' stopped being clever.

  108. Re:No No NO! That's called Starship Troopers 2 by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

    Ok Starship Troopers was one of the worst movies I have ever seen. Can't believe there is even a sequel. First movie was so bad it should only be available in .wav formats so no one has to watch it again.

    Anyways, Doom the movie will be the greatest thing. I won't need any drivers, directX, no blue screen, runs at very high FPS. Hells, I don't even need windoze to walk into the theatres.

  109. Great...NOT by TheBot · · Score: 1

    Super, the big fat Christian Americans who run this world will now be taking Hell out of everything. The list is as follows: Video Games Television Movies Books Magazines Music Oh, this just in! Jesuss' head will be replacing all the dead presidents on our American currency! Oh praise God!

  110. Those dog-likmauling demons were nicknamed 'pinky' by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    http://www.fuwarin.com/models/images/doom4.jpg

    So it's a reference. Thanks for throwing us a bone.
    Fuckers.

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  111. Re:No No NO! That's called Starship Troopers 2 by JFitzsimmons · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yeah um...

    You can play it just fine on linux in opengl. That gets rid of your directX, and blue screen, and you'll be fine for your high FPS and drivers if you just get yourself an nVidia 6800GT or Ultra.

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  112. The other problem with 1st-person in this case... by devphil · · Score: 2, Funny


    ...is that there will be fewer opportunities for Karl Urban to do an insane mad growl scream berzerker rush at the enemies, like he did as Eomer at the battle of the Pelennor. (Think reversing grip on spear while on horseback, if you forget the scene.) I had to admit, it's a pretty impressive charge.

    OTOH, he's probably grateful for the same fact.

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  113. Guaranteed slashdotting by emilng · · Score: 2, Insightful


    If you want to get your site slashdotted, just make a machinima adaptation of the Doom movie using the Doom 3 engine.

  114. What a crapload of crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "super-virus". Gee isn't that original...

    28 Days Later
    Day of the Dead
    Dawn of the Dead
    Night of the Living Dead (and all related sequels)
    12 Monkeys
    Resident Evil 1 & 2
    the list goes on...

    BLAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!

  115. DOOMed by 21chrisp · · Score: 1



    Well now that the movie has nothing to do with the game, we can still argue that the title is correct because this movie is definitely doomed.. Any hope that it would even be worth renting has now been swept away. I'd rather just edit all of the game's FMV together than subject myself to this excercise in mediocrity.

  116. In Other Slashdot News: by Paraplex · · Score: 1

    "future trips to Mars that will have probes return with samples of the martian surface may contain deadly microbes of course, foreign to our world."

    microbes... from HELL!

    slashdot is just Doom:The Movie's IloveBees.com as far as I can tell :)

    'plex

  117. Re:No No NO! That's called Starship Troopers 2 by Rosonowski · · Score: 1

    24 FPS isn't that many. =P

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  118. HAHAHAHAHAAAA! Funny! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...could inspire a new film technique (much like the Matrix's bullet time)...

    As much as the fact causes all the Matrix fanboys to weep tears of bitter pain, there was nothing at all new in-or-about the Matrix movies. Not a single thing.

  119. The same of any crap action movie by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1
    Act I: The hero who got problems clashes with his bosses while the bad guy shows he is really evil OR if it is a monster we get some hints about it but if it is half way decent monster we never see it. Those killed are incredibly stupid. We also meet somone who is going to be killed in act 2 and someone who needs to be rescued in 3. Act II: The middle fight. We met a whole lot of people but most are going to die at the hands of a monster/bad guy who somehow completly fails to kill the hero. The hero never seems to be faced by the losses he suffers. Act III: Having suffered casualty rates that make WW1 generals look good the hero nonetheless manages to win while the bad guy/monster seems to have spend all his special powers in Act 1 and 2. Best punishment for a bad guy is a quick death not live long rotting in jail being gangbanged. Monsters loose all their invincibilty and die way to quickly but not so quick as to not reveal they really are just humans with bits of latex stuck on.

    The END.

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  120. Try Bloodlines by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1
    It is a troika game so it has a couple of bugs but this time it is mild enough to actually allow you to finish the game and only needing 1 cheat to finish. Not bad, maybe the upcoming patch will make it perfect. (Only gamekiller bug I encountered was that I couldn't finish a level. I had to "cheat" to complete the level and load the next one. It is the bit were you leave a cave on a boat.)

    The source engine gives it pretty nice graphics even if there are ocasional glitches (elongated necks during some cutscenes). Think somewhere between Half-Life 2 and Deus Ex (2 for the graphics 1 for the size of the levels). Although it lack the fysics of Half-Life 2 or Deus Ex 1. I still think Deus Ex 1 with its bullets that rained back down stands alone for that).

    The story is okay, very Deus Ex again but way way better then the diablo that was redemption. There are some lenghty combat levels but in between there are plenty of true RPG talky bits where you can both use wits and brawn to solve problems.

    The game is by no means perfect as I had hoped for a deeper game dealing more with your vampire nature. Your character seems very resigned to becoming a vampire. There are some dark story lines but apart from them it could have been a Deus Ex storyline. Except that this time at least you got the option I always wanted in those games. Screw them all. If you don't like anyone in the game you can be decide to be a lone wolf instead. Finally.

    Good game, not perfect but a RPG well worth playing if you like Deus Ex style games.

    What makes it so highly recommended is that there is a real difference between the various clans. Malkavians (madmen) are a lot of fun as they "hear" voices and give you the weirdest conversation options.

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  121. Easy by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1
    Doom: we just found out. They dropped everything that makes doom doom. High cost of upturned crosses? How budget is this? Last time I checked an upturned cross did not cost so much more then a cross rightside up. Is upturning crosses a union job or something?

    Duke Nukem: That is going to be a movie? Probably going to be released after Forever has ended.

    D&D 2: We seen the first. Yuck. I don't even know what was so bad about it. Watched it recently because I was desperate for some fantasy and am going senile. Sequels rarely improve.

    That leaves V:TM. Should be simple enough. There have been plenty of Vampire movies before. Granted the TV series is not that well reviewed (never seen it) but how hard can it be to make a good movie when Hollywood has already made movies that could easily have been set in that universe?

    In theory both D&D and V:TM should be the easiest to turn into a movie as they are not stories but universes. Doom and DN both got heroes, sets, equipment, baddies that people will expect to see. Not so in the roleplaying games. V:TM could be set anywhere and be any kind of story, comedy, romance, action, suspense, sci-fi and still be true. After all the entire setting is, reality + monsters. D&D is slightly harder since it so depends on creating the right "magical" world.

    So my bet is on V:TM. It is the only one that a "serious" crew could work on without everyone calling them a bunch of nerds.

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    1. Re:Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, they'd need to buy a couple of forklifts to deal with the mountains of shitty fan fiction that will be sent in when they start filming. Perhaps they could make a bonfire of it and burn LARPers at the stake

  122. Doom is not the title, it is the movies future by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1
    We all just been duped. The producer took one look at the crew he has put together, the budget he has and the script and wrote "DOOM" on the script.

    Some nerds took it the wrong way and now half of slashdot believes Doom will have a movie. Idiots.

    If this is serious then it is a joke. 70 million dollars I have seen mentioned. Not exactly a lot for a special effects movie. Worse if you then see an excuse that recreating the hell from the game is to expensive you really have to start wondering about the capacities of the crew. Are sheep entrails nailed to upside down crosses (two bits of wood nailed to each other) really that expensive? Are we going to get "Red Dward" sets instead?

    The only thing being used is the name. I wish them luck. ID so far has had a good reputation but if they tie their name to this movie it will be mud in hollywood forever. Don't do it. Get the lawyers and force the movie to adopt a different name. It is not going to earn you anything but ridicule.

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  123. I thought.... by Mateorabi · · Score: 2

    Based on the posters, I thought it was a movie about soap.

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  124. But will that work? by TheLink · · Score: 1

    Actually Hollywood doesn't appear to care what their viewers like/think.

    They have made so many movies that bombed, and they were OBVIOUSLY going to bomb to anyone with common-sense. I doubt a boycott would help much - look at the number of Kevin Costner bombs Hollywood released...

    And then they blame their lack of profit on "pirates".

    India's film industry (aka Bollywood) knows what their audience likes and they keep giving it to them, over and over and over. Even though it's always "hero and heroine frolicking amongst the trees, dancing on stage etc". Who cares, it makes them money. I'm not their audience.

    Same goes for the Hong Kong film industry - they give their target audience what they want.

    So it make me wonder what Hollywood is really up to. What is behind their decisions?

    If Hollywood really wanted to profit and were really pandering to the Conservative Christians etc, then shouldn't we be see more movies like Finding Nemo- those really really sell - the kids want to watch, the parents have to come along. Next the whole school wants to watch. Family values and all that.

    But no. Hollywood appears to have some other agenda (and it's not purely profit driven). Either that or they and their highly-paid consultants are so out of touch with their audiences that it beggars belief.

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    1. Re:But will that work? by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1
      I have no idea what Hollywood is on either.

      I have reached the conclusion that more than anything people involved in it view it as an ego trip and a playground. If they really cared about making money, they'd make a lot more stuff like Gone in 60 Seconds, comedies or low budget movies. Or, they'd make the movies they make for a lot less money.

  125. Ok, we know it's going to suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They chose the wrong guy with the wrong script. I knew that as soon as I read the first few articles about the movie. It's not going to be doom, and it's not going to be good. If you can't work with the little and vague storyline given in doom then you shouldn't be writing a movie about it. This sounds like Resident Evil gone wrong now.

  126. Office Space! by Tony · · Score: 1

    Same thing with Office Space. Completely mis-marketted. And Firefly. The *creative* types knew exactly what they were doing. The marketting types were completely head-fucked.

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  127. Bullshit.. It's Hell or it's a waste of time. by sudog · · Score: 1

    Another super-virus? Aw come on.. gimme a break. Way to fuck up the whole premise of the video game!

    What a waste.. what a waste..! They could've done great things with Doom, and now they're wasting the opportunity.

    I hope this isn't a fiasco on the order of the Dungeons and Dragons movie, which could've been a superior flick (look at all the damn material they had to work with!) but ended up being a sappy, stupid little child-friendly, overacted farce.

  128. You forgot by Propaganda13 · · Score: 1

    f) the main character now lives in a pineapple under the sea

  129. Doom3 movie = Event Horizon 2 by DiniZuli · · Score: 1

    I totally agree with the guys here (some of them girls maybe? hahaha...) stating that there is some plot in Doom3 and it could have been a good movie. Last week I thought of how it could be, and it reminded me of Event Horizon, which I think was quite cool and creepy - anyone else had that thought?
    It really is annoying that they've written Hell out of the movie. It does not sound like doom at all :(

    1. Re:Doom3 movie = Event Horizon 2 by MMaestro · · Score: 1
      The only problem with comparison Doom 3 with Event Horizon (the book or the movie, your choice) is that if there was a game based off Event Horizon, it would've been an adventure/puzzle game. While Doom 3's story was about the horror/action, Event Horizon was about the confusion/mystery.

      Horror and action at the same time? Hard to feel afraid when the main character is armed with a SHOTGUN (and a machine gun, rocket launcher, BFG, etc etc). Event Horizon's dark underwater facility and alien artifact? Pretty scary considering you can't even see outside the window due to the water depth and the fact that their stranded underwater with an alien device.

    2. Re:Doom3 movie = Event Horizon 2 by sharok · · Score: 1

      Sorry, Event Horizon takes place around Jupiter - in space.

      Not under water.

    3. Re:Doom3 movie = Event Horizon 2 by JimmehAH · · Score: 1

      I think you're getting Event Horizon confused with Sphere.

      Event Horizon is the one about an experimental ship that warps into a hell dimension. Sphere is about a ship from the future that finds an salient artefact in space and then crash lands on Earth in the past.

    4. Re:Doom3 movie = Event Horizon 2 by mink · · Score: 1

      Event Horizon taught me that in tspace there is no OSHA regs.
      Look at the engine room, not to mention all those explosives left all over in peoples way just waiting to be tripped over.

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  130. Who cares if the monsters are from Hell by LordZardoz · · Score: 1

    I for one, do not think it matters if the mosnters in the movie are from Hell or just virus mutants. It does not even matter if the movie happens on Mars or on some other planet.

    Doom does have a decent storyline, but it really is not all that integral to the feel and themse of the game. As long as its about some hard ass marine armed beyond any sense of sanity, blasting lots of monsters into puddles of goop, it shall be worthy of the name Doom.

    END COMMUNICATION

  131. Re:It's not a religious issue, it's a reality issu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd blame atheists who are trying to make the movie more realistic (and therefore more scary). Since hell doesn't actually exist according to them, it's the first to go.

    Oh, give me a break, stop blaming the atheists for everything.

    Yes, many Christians would get their panties in a twist over the "hell" of Doom either Doom or Doom 3) being presented in a movie, and I would much sooner expect that the makers are changing the "hell" theme into "virus" over that kind of concern than I would believe that a group of atheists decided that they didn't like the concept of a purely fictional movie storyline -- not being presented as fact -- sharing some lose paralells with some religions.

    Atheists typically are able to tell fantasy from reality, and thus they usually don't get upset until someone tries to present fantasy as reality. Religious people, however, confuse fantasy with reality by their very nature.

  132. Screenshots by jones77 · · Score: 1

    That page doesn't have any screenshots ... :-(

  133. Re:28 Days Later was good? by zmollusc · · Score: 1

    It lost me when the guy got out of bed and didn't have any bedsores, dehydration or loss of mobility. Then it got more lame. Yes, I am an old misery guts.

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  134. OMFG by Tony · · Score: 1

    The first person view sounds cool, could inspire a new film technique (much like the Matrix's bullet time), but the old fashoned film technique of messing with a well-loved plot seems to be going strong.

    You are joking, right? Right?

    First person viewpoint, video-game movie: House of the Dead.

    Zombie. Rave. Movie.

    FP was used extensively during the terrible, terrible moments of the film (just about all of them), when characters were shooting their way through shuffling zombies, or when characters snuffed it. Oh, it's a great MST-like movie. It's right up there with Deep Blue Sea and Reign of Fire for Bad Movie Night (when you drink lots of beer and eat home-made nachos, just 'cause you feel fuckin' terrible about work and life).

    FP viewpoint is not a good idea. Not even close. It's been tried. And it's always failed.

    Always.

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  135. Re:No No NO! That's called Starship Troopers 2 by Cornflake917 · · Score: 1

    What the fuck!?!? I didn't even know there was a Starship troopers 2. When was this released? That's sad that even I don't know this, and I'm a pretty big sci-fi fan.

  136. Re:It's not a religious issue, it's a reality issu by Cornflake917 · · Score: 1

    That doesn't make any sense. I'm an atheist and I would rather see the hell plot. Just because people don't believe in something doesn't mean they can't use their imagination for a few hours. Just look and Star Wars, people love that shit, and I doubt it's because of the great script or talented acting either.

  137. Re:Bullshit.. It's Hell or it's a waste of time. by cory_p82 · · Score: 1

    But, you see... they couldn't have the monsters be from Hell©. That wouldn't be right...

    I mean, isn't Hell copyrighted by the Catholic church? And the MPAA couldn't be charged with stealing copyrighted works...
  138. Tom Hollenshead (ceo of ID) talks about the movie: by Destructo-Bot · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://general.gamerfeed.com/gf/news/7478/

    exerpts:

    Todd Hollenshead: The script is close to final and we're very happy with it.

    Todd Hollenshead: I want to see the movie be true to what the legacy of the DOOM games mean to fans. Scary, intense, lots of action, and consistent with what we've done in the games. However, movies and games are different media, so some things will and should be different. I'm not looking for "DOOM 3: The Movie" and that's not what it will be. The script is not based on the DOOM 3 story, but is based on the DOOM universe, so fans will see plenty in the movie that they will recognize from the game.

    Todd Hollenshead: We didn't tie the script to the specific story in the game. There are lots of similarities, but there are many things that are different in a way that's not inconsistent with what we've done in the games. I believe that fans will find the story in the movie fresh and exciting, but still very much DOOM.



    Seems that the ID guys don't want Doom the movie to be like Doom the game. However he does say that he wants it to be based on the doom universe. Still, I don't see how super-viruses and no space-marines are a part of the doom universe :(

    I think ID has left the ball drop recently. I had a lot of fun playing doom1 and 2, but doom3 was almost tedious. The graphics were great but it wasn't really fun to play. I hope they have better judgement about the movie script than about their latest game.

    Oh well, here's hoping to a great Quake4! :)

  139. Re:No No NO! That's called Starship Troopers 2 by mcheu · · Score: 1

    No, what's sad is the rip off that they tried to pawn off as a sequel to Starship Troopers. It was released this past summer (I think, maybe it was earlier than that). If you insist on seeing it, rent it, don't buy it.

    The first movie wasn't great, but at least they had the budget for a coolness factor. The second is a below B budget movie. They recycled the CGI from the first movie for the bugs, and they didn't even use real blank firing guns for this one. Their weapons were just flashlights that were wired into a plastic shell that looked like the guns from ST1, with a bit of fibre optic in the "muzzle" that would blink when the trooper "fired" it.

    This isn't just straight to video, it's straight to MS3K. What made it all the more sad was that the producers and the director had done interviews describing what they wanted to do originally, but couldn't because of the pathetic budget.

    If you're masochistic enough to want to still want to see it, rent it. It's just not worth buying unless you can find it for less than $3 (I think it's worth $2, but I add an extra $1 because you can reuse the case).

  140. Street Fighter the Movie by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    or Super Mario Bros....or Mortal Kombat...or....anything-based-on-a-video-game... > Total suckage!! Take a good theme and the producers RAPE it. Honestly, they are trying too fucking hard to make it more "realistic". WTF man? It's DOOM. It's supposed to be FANTASY!! >

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    1. Re:Street Fighter the Movie by Pxtl · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think they did a good job with the first Mortal Kombat movie. They took a completely ludicrous storyline and wrapped a movie around it, kept most of the characters and gameplay elements, and some reasonably entertaining action. All in all, I considered it a success. Not Shakespeare, but a decent popcorn action flick that was reasonably faithful to the game.

    2. Re:Street Fighter the Movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forget all the Pokemon/Digimon movies and TV series too... And for the record, Beyblade started out with video game first, before someone started writing comics and later the TV series. And yes, Beyblade movie does exist.

  141. Mod Parent Up!! :) by sudog · · Score: 1

    It's mixing in religious fundamentalism with the MPAA's stupidity in a fun and accurate way. :)

  142. Ding Ding Ding....we have a winner!! by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    Exactly, you got it dead on. It's all about PC. Because to even mention the idea of "Hell" would to inadvertently acknowledge the existence of "heaven".

    But ohh Noooo!!! We must not have that. It might OFFEND someone of another religion. *gasp*

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  143. Wisecracking black sidekick by Nine+Tenths+of+The+W · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know who's playing the wisecracking black sidekick?

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  144. Go watch Passion of the Christ by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    ...nuff said.

    When your done, convince me that Lucifer was not portrayed in that movie.

    And by the way, most devoted christians I know think this is the best religious movie ever to grace the silver screen. In fact, it has gathered quite a cult following...in an ironic born-again-christian sort of way.

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  145. Re:No No NO! That's called Starship Troopers 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh God yes, I loved the strobe lighting gunfire. I saw some guy buying it in a DVD store the other day, I resisted the urge to stop him. Thankfully I only paid $1 for it in Vietnam.

  146. Re:No No NO! That's called Starship Troopers 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Starship Troopers was t3h funni and it also introduced us to Denise Richards. Hmmm. It didn't have anything to do with the book, though.

  147. Any good VG movies? by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1

    I've not seen Tomb Raider, but every other one I've cast eyes on has made me want to turn it off very quickly.

  148. cf. Evil Dead, Evil Dead 2 by plimsoll · · Score: 1

    | [...] a large number of sequences will be shot
    | purely in "first-person" perspective [...]

    Ah. Sam Raimi got tapped to direct Doom then, did he?

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  149. Who's goig to see it? by eander315 · · Score: 1

    Judging by the vast majority of comments here, I'd say that the people who played the game won't being going to this movie, and I doubt anyone who didn't play the game will see the movie, so who is actually going to show up for this thing?

  150. COMPLETELY RUINED CHANCE OF A GOOD _DOOM_ MOVIE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They f****ng ruined Doom. How can you do that?!!?!?! Just like "Alexander," only Hollywood is capable of taking something considered excellent and utterly destroying it. Awesome Hollywood: and my expectations of just a "game replica movie" (easy enough) was sooo high. POS Hollywood.

  151. Re:Tom Hollenshead (ceo of ID) talks about the mov by oneiron · · Score: 1

    Seems that the ID guys don't want Doom the movie to be like Doom the game. However he does say that he wants it to be based on the doom universe. Still, I don't see how super-viruses and no space-marines are a part of the doom universe :(

    Todd Hollenshead is the id spin-meister. Don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth. Spinning PR yarns is his job, and he's really good at it.

    Regarding the super-virus idea... Who's to say that's not what was causing all of the problems in the doom games. It wasn't ever specified, but couldn't that just be because it was never discovered? Maybe the only reason the hero got a chance to be a hero was because he was naturally resistant to the same virus that drove everyone else insane and made them mutate. Maybe all of the monsters are really just a bunch of fuckin pushovers and the hero just so happened to be resistant to the virus. Blah blah blah blah blah blah.... Who cares...it's just a movie.

  152. No Hell == appeal to a wider audience by master_p · · Score: 1

    The concept of demon-ridden hell is purely a christian one. Doom 3 has lots of demonic symbols associated with Satanism (like inverted pentagrams), which is a spin-off of Christianity. In order for the movie to appeal to the widest possible audience, the christianity-related references had to be removed. It makes sense to me.

    The plot 'wrong teleportation gate opened - monsters arriving' has been overused though, and I don't know if it can be the selling point. Maybe a very good direction that really delivers a new experience in horror/thriller movies will be the key.

    1. Re:No Hell == appeal to a wider audience by kLaNk · · Score: 1
      The plot 'wrong teleportation gate opened - monsters arriving' has been overused though


      Overused in games maybe. But overused in 50+ million dollar feature films? Care to name all those films from the last say, 5 years? Not saying there aren't any, but I can't really think of any off the top of my head.


      Nasty agent released and takes over people? Um, THERE is the overused plot. 28 days later, Resident Evil(s), Dawn of the Dead, and countless others.

    2. Re:No Hell == appeal to a wider audience by endrek · · Score: 1

      The plot 'wrong teleportation gate opened - monsters arriving' has been overused though Maybe, but I think iD can be allowed to use it since they were the first ones to use it in a game. It's their thing. Doom. Early 90s. Anyone remember. I'm tired of people talkig about hom Doom3 is recycling other people's ideas, or it's ripping of HalfLife or some crap. They were there first. If anyone can do it, they can.
      As for not using hell, thats just retarded. There aer plenty enoguh fans who want to see it just the way it is. Turning it into some mutated zombie movie is just lame. There are enough of those out there already (now talk about over used ideas) and by doing this you will have also lost all the original Doom fans. This movie will flop because it will apeal to no one. At least keeping the original plot you have millions of Doom fan boys (myself included) who will go see it. Now I don't even know if I will, and by carrying the Doom monicker, most other people won't see it either.

      Bah. This sucks. I was looking forward to this too.

  153. what I want to know is why they couldnt by jonwil · · Score: 1

    Keep the mars setting.
    Keep the look of the DOOM monsters
    Keep the space marine stuff
    etc

    And then just replace "hellspawn" with "mutation" or something like that to placate the stupid idiot conservatives who will complain at the use of "hellspawn" in a movie.

    To those idiots, get a life and a clue.
    Dont go see the movie if you dont like hellspawn.
    Dont let your kids see the movie.
    But dont try and force your views on other people.
    Unless you go to see this movie, it doesnt affect you in the slightest.

    Athough on the other hand, the big question is how many people will see the crap they are slapping with the DOOM name vs how many people would go to see a true DOOM movie with the mars setting and the demons from hell and the and the space marines and stuff (if the first number is greater, simple hollywood economics dictates that the first film is what will be made)

    1. Re:what I want to know is why they couldnt by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Uh. Wasn't there a recent movie - HellBoy?

      What's with these people anyway? As a Christian I sure don't get it.

      If there's going to be a hell, at least don't make it a paradise or something ;). Or if it's going to look like a paradise, have a very chilling/eerie twist (use your imagination, I don't want to - going to sleep soon :) )...

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  154. I wonder! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will they follow the latest Hollywood trend and put out a game with this movie?

  155. No no no no, no! by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1

    The demons were always just an annoying obstacle. You had to find the red key, open the red door, then find the blue key, open the blue door, then hit the switch. Sometimes there was even a yellow key, and they weren't even always in that order! Not to mention the secret areas filled with ammo.

  156. Re:Fight Club by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1

    If the trailer had told me what the film was about, I wouldn't have enjoyed the film half as much! Unfortunately, films like this have to spread through word-of-mouth, because informative trailers would destroy it. You have to just hear enough friends say "No, no, watch it, it's awesome!" and then watch it against your better judgement to appreciate it.

    Maybe the trailers could have got away with showing some of the antics of the Space Monkeys, but even that would spoil it a little.

  157. Any way I can make money on this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if there's any way one could make money on the stock market if they have advance knowledge that a movie is going to completely tank?

    Something good might as well come from this steaming pile of crap...

  158. You forgot some other guys by orasio · · Score: 1

    Satanists are people just like Catholics, only they like to wear their crosses the other way around.
    I, being atheist, respect ones as much as I respect the others.
    Following your line of reasoning, I believe you are talking about your enemies deserving shooting.
    If you are, as you seem, a christian from the US, you forgot to mention other people worth shooting: vietcong, communists, arabs (all kinds), french.
    If you were not talking about enemies deserving shooting, but about mass murderers who kill your people deserving shooting, you would have various options, if you were jew, nazis, if you were palestinian, israelis, if you were chinese, japs, is you were japanese/iraqi/afghan/vietanmese/colombian/*, people like you.

  159. Video Game Movies Suck by Dredd2Kad · · Score: 1

    WARNING: Blanaket Statement

    All Video Game Inspired Movies Suck. Suck suck suck, suckity suck suck. Also most video games inspired by movies suck too.

    On a side note, movies that are based around natural disasters, serious sporting events, or have an animal as the lead character usually suck too.

  160. Re: Planet exteriors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "which was the reason why there are no spacesuits and almost no planet exteriors in the movie..."

    The Doom engine can't handle exteriors very well, that's why! ;-D

  161. Re:No No NO! That's called Starship Troopers 2 by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

    OMG there was actually a book on this?

    chapter1: human zaps chick.
    chapter2: bug bites human arm off
    chapter3: big bug step on 20 human

  162. The stupid thing is by TheLink · · Score: 1

    If they wanted PG13 movie, why don't they make stuff like Finding Nemo, Toy Story, or other family oriented stuff?

    What's wrong with Hollywood? That's like watering down Whiskey enough (to meet regulations) just so they can sell it to EVERYONE's kids.

    Doesn't please the fans of whiskey. And still won't please responsible parents.

    What's Hollywood up to? Trying to get kids exposed to "whiskey" at a young age? Develop a taste of it?

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      BTW, I've nothing really against alcoholic drinks. Or even _some_ kids drinking them. If the parents are around and the environment is suitable then sure it's fine - e.g. family party, gathering, traditional event etc.

      But I sure won't trust strangers or the equivalent of "Hollywood" to provide a suitable environment or to provide the necessary supervision to make sure that things go well.

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  163. Let's be realistic.. by 1019 · · Score: 1

    If it worked for the Super Mario Bros. franchise it'll work for DOOM, that movie was FANTASTIC!

    What?

    Oh.

    What about Street Figh-..oh. Really?

    Hmm.

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  164. Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The irony of all this is...

    Hollywood makes movie based on video game.

    Hollywood changes plot so movie no longer resembles video game.

    Movie is released:
    all people who played game hate movie for missing the theme and mood.
    all others hate movie for having hack plot.

    Hollywood assumes that poor sales are caused of misunderstanding the target audience.

    Wait X years, repeat.

    Exactly the same thing has happened before, and continues to happen, where the only thing that varies is the caliber of the flop. House of the Dead, Resident Evil, Mortal Combat, Street Fighter, Wing Commander: flops all, and all of them followed the above flow.