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RIAA/MPAA vs. xMule Author, EarthStation 5
Two bits of news in the ongoing battle between the RIAA/MPAA and the rest of the internet: One P2P company, apparently based in Palestine, has thrown down the gauntlet to the movie industry. Meanwhile, a developer of another P2P tool who unwisely chose to live in the USA has been shut down (mirror) by the RIAA.
Could this be a Palestinian kick at the Jews they figure run Hollywood?
It's Christmas everyday with BitTorrent.
Its 11:15 EST... Where the heck is our daily SCO story, huh?
This is my sig. Its pathetic.
this is getting fucking ridiculous.
It saddens me as a developer that you can't even deign to write a P2P add without the assumption that it will be used for sharing copyrighted materials and thus shut down by the RIAA/MPAA. It's really amazing to see what lengths these bastards will go to to protect their industry after a major, earth-shattering shift in their profit model.
I urge everyone reading this to be very diligent in your boycott of buying new music or going to see movies. I haven't bought a CD in 22 months and haven't seen a movie since (believe it or not) 1999. You can't cheat and plead, just one movie! It's the Matrix! I have to see it. Nothing but the bottom line is going to get through to these people. If these folks don't get the message and soon, you may find yourself asking for permission to write anything on your machine that moves bits around.
Karma: Excellent Birds (mostly as a result of listening to Laurie Anderson)
Wow, not only do they feel the need to steal movies, but quotes within the movies as well!
Palestine isn't a nation, it is under Israeli occupation, and since Israel is allied with the US, it will soon extradite these people to the US so they can be prosecuted. Either that or blow them apart in a helicopter raid. There is no place in the world that is safe from RIAA/US control.
Here's the full text of the article, to hopefully stem some of that tide.
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(...) Earthstation 5 is at war with the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) and the Record Association of America (RIAA), and to make our point very clear that their governing laws and policys have absolutely no meaning to us here in Palestine, we will continue to add even more movies for FREE. .com) does not require any signups, registration,
credit cards and/or any other personal information to watch the first rate
streamed movies like TERMINATOR 3, BRUCE ALMIGHTY, MATRIX RELOADED, etc.
Our secure software protect our users who use our P2P application and
there is nothing that you can do to stop us, says Ras Kabir, president of
Earthstation 5 (http:/www.earthstation5 .com).
(...)
ES5 (http://www.es5
(...)
Ras Kabir's warning to the RIAA and the MPAA, "The next revolution in P2P file sharing is upon you. Resistance is futile and we are now in control".
OMG! It's what I call a man who has BALLS!!
I'm a little worried about what their motivation is. Do they see themselves as an Anti-American group? Or do they actually plan to make a profit out of Illegal movies?
That's all we need. The MPAA and RIAA getting involved in the Middle East. I wonder if Big Oil will like the competition.
R: That voice. Where have I heard that voice before? B: In about 365 other episodes. But I don't know who it is either.
Do they mean Palestine, Texas... or Palestine, West Virginia?
Wait! Maybe they mean the middle-eastern country "Palestine" that the Jordanians and Egyptians gave to their Arab brothers when they controlled 100% of Gaza, West Bank and Jerusalem from 1948-1967.
(oh, wait a second, that never happened...)
This guy's talking about being barred from use of the Internet as a result of a DMCA subpoena. WTF? Is this sensationalism or is there legal basis for this claim?
who are those slashdot people? they swept over like Mongol-Tartars.
The terrorist wannabes are attacking people in a country known to harbor terrorists.
Perhaps the MPAA/RIAA are just jealous.
Hard to say anything. They didn't sign any international copyright agreements. And I think Israel's a little to busy with Hamas currently to do anyhing about file traders.
Viva la es5!
-Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat
Yes, there is a problem with digital rights management. Yes, Hollywood DOES have the right to make money. No, you do NOT have the right to broadcast their copyrighted info, and even the most fanatical, devoted, peer to peer sharing folks will agree.
Why exactly is this on slashdot? It's not a freedom movement. In no way can it be given a good slant. It's out-and-out copyright infringement. Period.
Even the most cockeyed activists have to see that far from making Hollywood "wakeup", this kind of thing is going to give them the ammunition they need to get more draconian laws passed in congress.
Moronic.
No other press releases that I can find on prnewswire.com have had their company website URL link made inactive. Looks like the MPAA/RIAA can strongarm Prnewswire to remove what they allege are offending links from press releases, even if its a corporate website.
Watch out Apple, your press releases may be next to have links disabled.
Edith Keeler Must Die
Portable MP3/Ogg players get better every year. While I was searching the internet for a suitable present to give my SO, I have considered purchasing an iPod for my SO, what brought it to my attention was that it costs the same as a Ruger .357. Both are lovely little pieces of engineering although with a bit of thought I realised both are bad things, instead I decided to put down my first down payment on a BMW X5. Back to the iPod, is this device legal? Will those of us who use it bring the wrath of the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) down on our heads like a corporate version of Maxwell's Silver Hammer?
Music is a creative process. Today, when a musician publishes music, i.e., exposes it to the outside world, only a privileged set of individuals are able to use the music as they please (RIAA). However, the artist has drawn from the creativity of many other musicians and there is an existential responsibility placed upon them to give this back unconditionally, so creativity is fostered among people. This is why peoples using music how they like is imperative.
Consider: RIAA-bought legislators are trying to get insane bills made into law. Whether or not they succeed, there are plenty of confusing copyright protection regulations out there already, and the latest tactic the music industry is using in its attempt to slow the death of their obsolete business model is to target individual users, not just commercial CD duplicators or large-scale file-sharing networks.
There seems to be this big RIAA push to outlaw all devices that facilitate file copying. Computer operating systems, for example, all have ways to copy files, and all those new little USB memory devices are certainly handy places to stash files and give you an easy way to move them from one computer to another, even if neither computer is hooked to the Internet or a LAN.
And then there's that MP3/Ogg player. My SO has many years' worth of legally-purchased CDs, and loves the idea of being able to transfer the music on them to a small solid-state device instead of using a portable CD player and lugging stacks of CDs everywhere. But would my Stevie suddenly become a criminal if he started ripping all his CDs?
Apparently not. Yet. It seems the recording industry powers-that-be haven't gotten around to suing customers who transfer music (that they've paid for) from one medium to another to make personal use more convenient. But will this largesse on their part continue? Could my SO be at the beach one day and find himself tossed in the back of a police car if he has music in his possession for which he has no receipt on his person?
(Yes, this is one of those "slippery slope" arguments, and the idea of an innocent music fan getting arrested is as farfetched as the ideas of copyright terms getting extended by Congress every time Disney?s copyright on Mickey Mouse is due to expire.)
But it looks like the RIAA is now going after music fans who share as few as five songs with friends over the Internet.
What if my SO hands his headphones to a young friend who may not have heard a piece of 'classic rock' he enjoys? What if he shares five songs with ten friends at a party? What if he makes a compilation CD full of MP3 or Ogg Vorbis files for a friend by using a 'copyright circumvention device' like, say, his laptop computer? So far, the nasty old Internet hasn't come into play. But if my SO emails those same files to a few friends, is he suddenly a pirate?
I have given up trying to sort out all this music filesharing stuff. The only 100% safe solution I've come up with is to avoid owning any music whatsoever produced by RIAA member companies. If you look around a little, you can find plenty of interesting pieces, in almost all genres, sold directly by the artists or by small recording companies that aren't trying to make trouble for their customers.
Hopefully you'll take similar steps yourself to eliminate the risk of being arrested by the FBI or other law enf
There is no god
"Earthstation 5 is at war with the Motion Picture Association of America
(MPAA) and the Record Association of America (RIAA),"
IMHO Earthstaion 5 hasnt declared war,
they are formalising it, the war has
been on for years now.
I dont suport ppl braking copyright laws,
but i hate companys that dont allow
there arhived copyrighted matrial to be
bought...
what is the point of having copyright and
sueing left right and center and yet not
makeing it avaible for purches at a resonable
price..
some companys out there want top $ for
products 20+ years old, even anchent
computer games and the like, it sickens me.
You have 5 Moderator Points!
Which Helpless Linux zealot/MS basher do you want to mod down today?
HTTP error 506:
Server has been ran over by an Israeli tank.
Hate me!
Most countries are signatories to one or more copyright treaties that commit them to recognizing and protecting international copyrights. They are therefore more or less prohibited from allowing the explicit breach of copyright declared in this PR release.
But who is responsible for enforcing copyright in an occupied country? Palestine has been recognized by the UN as an occupied territory, with Israel as the occupying power. With little real power, is the Palestinian Authority still supposed to enforce copyright restrictions? Or is that for Israel to do?
The same situation would apply, I assume, in Iraq. America is the occupying power, so I would think the same criteria should apply as in the Israel/Palestine situation. There is no true Iraqi government to enforce copyright, but on the other hand it seems a bit absurd to think that American laws should govern Iraq.
Interesting situation....
I am concerned about any program, any piece of hardware, any treaty, any law that treats me as a consumer, not a citizen
Their company page (http://www.es5.com/company.html) says:
"Our group is made up of many people, Jordanians, Palestinians, Indians, Americans, Russians and Israelis. Some of us are Jewish, some Christians, some Hindus and other of us are Muslim.
Believe it or not, we all love and respect each other.
We all work and play together. Our families on many occasions eat at the same dinner table. We trust each other and are very close friends with each other. As a group, the most important thing in our life is our children, our families and love ones and of course our friends. "
IMO The Earthstation 5 dudes are pretty arogant and naive to to think that their foreign location prevents the RIAA from taking action. Since they are in Palestine and outside the US borders, I would imagine that the RIAA has a carte blanch to unleash mercenary hackers/crackers upon their servers. I really doubt the Israeli gov't will do anything to protect them.
And now that I think about it...Israeli-US relations...bulldozers...the apache strike-helicopters are probably powering up even as I write this.
Provided this whole thing isn't some kind of hoax of course.
This isn't "throwing down the gauntlet," this is just a publicity stunt. They'll milk this for what it's worth from the flash in the pan they become from this press release, and then fold.
So, if P2P development needs to move out from the U.S. in order to survive, does this mean that our SCO-based Linux developers need to depopulate the U.S. and move to non-applicable foreign countries as well?
Bah! USA is not stronger. Need to invade a whole country to show the world is still the big dog. And need to fuck UN to show that. This is how USA show is weakness. Anyway no other guy can be the bad guy, and actually corporations have take over the real powers. As laws fit Corporations needs, real citadines lose more and more power and become a item to fuck/use/abuse for corporations owners. Of course, this is in longterm, and I supose this will change, as is a wrong way to evolve or democracy. My first option is that USA will change first, has is the oldest democracy alive, all is system is old and new optimization, and become more democracy and less money sugestable. If this occur is posible that some change in the world, and some anti AIDS ... hell what hard is to write english! :P
-Woof woof woof!
Es5 looks interesting, has anyone here used it and had good/bad experiences?
Hey! 1997 called! They want their web developer back!
...from the easily-harrassed domestic sharers. Now you don't have to outrun the bear, you just have to outrun the guy who's jumping up and down, yelling and poking the bear with a stick.
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Considering that the left wing weirdoes launched the same sort of attack against gun manufacturers to deny citizens of their rights, and it was struck down that they can NOT be held liable for what the end users do, I would think that could be used in court against nonsense like this..
I don't know if the bill was passed to bar this type of action, but the legal precedent is there at least.
You cant blame a tool for its improper use.. or the tool maker..
---- Booth was a patriot ----
I'm not a speaker, but AFAIK "Ras Kabir" is arabic for "large head"
definately a pseudonym.
What's more, with the fighting in the west-bank over the last two years,
I doubt that people there had time to run any OS project, let alone one with "15 million active online users" cocurently. Especially entertainment-oriented.
This "declaration of war" is probably a hoax, and I wouldn't be surprized if kooky conspiracy-theories actually turn-out true in this case
(BTW, I'm not much of a speaker, but AFAIK "Ras Kabir" is arabic for "large head" definately a bad pseudonym )
Working for necessity's mother.
The crap that the MPAA/RIAA put out in the last couple of years. I'm all for rewarding good film-making, but I want my money back for the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. I'd like my time back too, but since no one has found a way to re-imburse time...
Seriously, I've been taken in by too many 'previews' of movies, thought 'this looks good', gone to see it, then wished I had not. Feels like I'm getting conned half the time. I'll buy DVDs, I'll pay to see good movies, but since I can't actually see a movie before I pay for it (unless I 'aquire it') what choice do I have?
None, and that's exactly what the MPAA wants. Text message that.
All the people who say "Don't buy CDs or go to the Cinema etc" are fooling themselves, the more they don't spend on the industry they are just proving the Record/Movie association right!
I still buy CDs/DVDs and goto the Cinema, why they hell wouldn't I? watching a Film at home isn't the same as the Flicks, I don't care what TV you have. When LOTR Two Towers came out my and 15 of my mates went to see it at the Odeon London Leicester Square (Biggest Screen in the UK) Us and the other 2000 where in that screen, man, what an experience.
The Industry will learn that they can still make good sales with P2P if they just lower their price, not shut down the networks. I've downloaded moveis that I would NEVER buy, I wouldn't have bought them even before P2P was around, so the RIAA or whatever can't claim that for every movie we download they are losing that much money, cause thats a stupid statement, are they saying that in my house (5 students) we would have spent like 10000 on movies?!?!?! yeah get real. Don't deprive yourself to prove a point that's counter-productive
I spent ages trying to think of sig, but never did
Hmmm, I don't think the Palistinian idea of war is what the MPAA had in mind when it began prosecuting a war on copyright infringement. If I were a US company I would worry anytime a middle eastern group used my name and the word "war" in the same sentence. Sometimes they (Palestians, well most groups in the middle east, including Israel) are not the most rational people.
MPAA/RIAA lawyers with subpoenas vs. Palestinians with RPGs (not the game format mind you).
This could get interesting.
this will be reported, glowingly, as an Israeli action to curb terrorism by taking out a "suspected Hamas leader".
100% of My job is online
:P
100% of My school is online
100% of My friends are online
100% of My hobbies are online
and if i can't use a comptuer at all, they might as well put me in a federal prison taht allows me to read and purchase any book i want...
Man... get a life. Maybe taking away your computer would be a good thing
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
I was going to download this, but then I thought to look and see if anyone had anything to say about it. Any word?
Nope. I've used ES5 in the past. I wasn't impressed with the interface.
Cruising the internet on my TI-99/4A @ a whopping 300 baud!
From the website, it seems they do have their privacy ducks in a fairly neat row:
;)
ES5 #1 goal is to protect its users from intrusions to their privacy by providing encrypted traffic, random ports and IP anonymity:
ONE CLICK PROXY SERVER - Users can send connection requests through intermediary proxy servers located throughout the world so that the download destination of a file cannot be traced by any entity whatsoever. There is nothing for the user to set-up, just right click to enable the proxy server.
SSL - SECURE SOCKETS - Prevents monitoring of a user's uploading or downloading activity. Users can automatically deploy SSL by right clicking.
UDP -USER DATAGRAM PROTOCOL Using UDP makes it impossible to reliably scan a useras computer to determine if ES5 is running. Also, unlike TCP connections, UDP traffic can not be easily blocked by ISPs.
ES5 SECURITY KEY - ES5 utilizes a standard HTTP server to transmit files, but deploys a special "security key" so than only ES5 users can access your shared files.
IP ADDRESSES - ES5 does not display user IP Address information.
DYNAMIC PORTS- Each ES5 node uses a randomly chosen port (unless the user chooses a specific port themselves). Therefore, ISPs will be unable to identify file-sharing traffic based upon port numbers and unable to throttle back the users bandwidth.
USER DEFINED PORT SETTINGS- ES5 provides users with "one-click" port setting options for ES5 to use port 53 (the port used by DNS) or port 37 (the port used by time service) therefore rendering all blocking attempts hopeless.
MULTIPLE POINTS OF ENTRY - ES5 uses multiple methods for connecting to the ES5 network including IP Multicast, Usenet Articles, Web Sites, Node List Files and a several other undisclosed methods.
PENETRATING FIREWALLS - UDP allows seamless penetration of firewalls without inconvenient setting of firewall parameters. For users behind firewalls, ES5 uses UDP to request a PUSH, where the behind-the-firewall computer initiates the connection back to the requested user's computer. PGPDisk - As an additional security feature, to all P2P programs, is that ES5 integrates seamlessly with PGPDisk (which is a free program and will be provided by ES5 to its users) that lets you encrypt your disk drives to store your P2P content. No one except you will ever be able to see your files, not your kids, your spouse, your mother, your boss, the FBI, the KGB or anyone else!
So, the plot thickens. Whatever will the *AA do?
everything in moderation
Of course you know what the MPAA will say now.
Palestine uses P2P, terrorists live in palestine, p2p is a terrorist tool, anyone in the US using p2p is a terrorist.
Our group is made up of many people, Jordanians, Palestinians, Indians, Americans, Russians and Israelis. Some of us are Jewish, some Christians, some Hindus and other of us are Muslim.
Believe it or not, we all love and respect each other.
We all work and play together. Our families on many occasions eat at the same dinner table. We trust each other and are very close friends with each other. As a group, the most important thing in our life is our children, our families and love ones and of course our friends.
This is actually a very interesting move on the political front. Palestine is not recognized as a self-ruling nation, put is viewed as an occupied state. The RIAA/MPAA have no legal recourse, but then again no one would likely say boo if they unleash mercenary hackers to take BS5 out of commission.
Of course, if the United States were to formally recognize Palestine as a free and independent state, they could sign a treaty that would let the RIAA/MPAA go get these guys.
So are the RIAA/MPAA bought members of congress going to suddenly start calling for the recognition of Palestine? Hmmm....
Has anyone been able to substantiate this supposed busts? SOunds like a way to get publicity/money.
1) a subpoena is not a bust. It means show up in court. And it can be fought on jurisdictional grounds. This is a prime EFF case.
2) Palestine doesn't have shit for infrastructure, I have difficulty believing anyone can have any sort of net connection there. First, Israel would destroy it. If not, the Islamist fundemanentalists would.
3) I've heard too many stories on the streets about hard times, etc, yea war veteran with three kids but I am off drugs, yadda yadda. Why should the net be any different? No I won't send you money. I'll send money to places that know a con job from the real thing and act appropriately.
If this is for real and you really have been shafted, my sincere hope that things get sorted out and you are cleared. But you need to think about how to do publicity in a way that doesn't make it seem like the nigerian scam.
Speaking of which, when is ThinkGeek going to come out with Anti-SCO t-shirts?
I did - I didn't like the interface.
I've downloaded it again and will install it when I get home. I want to see if its gotten any better.
Cruising the internet on my TI-99/4A @ a whopping 300 baud!
Not that I'd de-advocating this sort of stance. I'd really prefer that my money not go to these money-grubbing [NAUGHTYS].
But think on this for a second. These idiots don't even have a NODDING acquaintence with common sense, or even REALITY. All they'll see, and yammer about, when sales plummet is "It's filesharing!" "It's texting!" "It's freedom of speech!"
No matter what, they're utterly incapable of believing tha that their sales dropoffs are actually due to:
Need I go on?
In short, no matter what people do, or do not, buy, the likes of the MPAA and the RIAA will merely blame-shift so they don't have to accept responsibility for their own [NAUGHTY]-ups.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
... but this is what you get if you click on the "Company"-Link of ES5:
Our group is made up of many people, Jordanians, Palestinians, Indians, Americans, Russians and Israelis. Some of us are Jewish, some Christians, some Hindus and other of us are Muslim.
Believe it or not, we all love and respect each other.
We all work and play together. Our families on many occasions eat at the same dinner table. We trust each other and are very close friends with each other. As a group, the most important thing in our life is our children, our families and love ones and of course our friends.
Everyone on slashdot continues to support the idea of legal p2p because there are loads of applications that do not break the law. Instead of thinking of es5 as giving a bad name to p2p instead look at it as though es5 will become a known illegal vending point and that other organizations that say they only want legal trade could asipre to be avoided in the RIAA/MPAA attacks. 2c. ?
Yawn.
1. Wonderful press release, kick the MPAA/RIAA where it hurts.
2. Web site not slashdotted.
3. 40kb/sec download of the software. Exactly what kind of net pipes do they have running into Jenin? Maybe download.es5.com is located somewhere else...
4. None of this "we're just technology providers" bullshit. No, this is theftware at its best. Hey, the US has paid billions to help the Israeli state bomb the Palestinians into the stone age, it's not surprising there is not huge local support for US "intellectual property".
The software was apparently developed in Russia, financed by Arab and Israeli businessmen. It appears to use UDP rather than TCP/IP, which is a neat idea when you are sending redundant chunks of information around, and SSL for security, which may or may not be really secure.
The whole thing may be a hoax, I am downloading it to a test machine to try right now.
At last, someone with the guts to sock it to those bums at the MPAA and RIAA. Yeah!!
Ceci n'est pas une signature
E5? First of all there is P2P software that is made by Israelis like iMesh and SoulSeek.
Second, E5 seems like a hoax, Ras Kabir? It means Big Head if i'm not mistaken, not quite your regular Palestinian name. So it is a nick/pseudonim, fine, but all these absurd press releases about P2P software and wars on RIAA make it seem a little funny. Has anyone tried the E5 software? Does it do what they say, or is it just another Kazaa Lite?
I'm afraid to try it because I'm running Windows, and you know what might happen if you take software from strangers...
Well well well a pro-israeli post in public. You're either a money grabbing Jew or a right-wing christian loony.
After all, anybody that doesn;t condem the evil israeli opressor and support the heroic palastinian freedom fighter can;t be a well adjusted member of western urban society.
Or so the ever objective news media and the bleeding-heart left-wing humanist intelligentsia would have us believe.
----
- It took western civilisation 2000 years to ensure popular literacy, and now we work with icon driven GUI's. Go figure.
This is getting more and more ridiculous, now we get supoenad *before* anything happens. What the heck happened to 'innocent until proven otherwise'?
Let me ask you something; how can we call the US the 'free capital of the world', or 'a place where personal freedom thrive' when one can be pretty much condemned because of the connontations and possible uses that the piece of software one wrote *might* have?
Who are we as individuals when we support and raise our stand to *free the world of tyrans* overseas, when we let this type of things happen @ home? Yes, I know. Two totally different things. The consequences of having a tyran as a ruler are definitely not the same than having a corrupt and money driven institution that proposes and passes laws; but the underlying principle is the same. Freedom, of any kind.
From the article, I fail to understand why the xmule developer's net connection was shutdown. Sure, he's been subpoenaed, but where's the due process? It sounds to me like his ISP isn't aware of the concept of "innocent until proven guilty"
653899 - Another prime Slashdot UID
A really good buy/sell secondhand site is www.secondspin.com
( I know, shameless plug. )
First of all, Boycotting is very easy.
You see, some of the worst movies ever made were from the past few years. (Think Gigli).
Tell your friends about how the media industry bought off scumbag politicians and circumvented your constitutional rights with the DMCA. About how they are targetting college kids (who are eternally broke thanks to a f*cked up higher educational system in this country) - and grandmothers. The boycott approach will only show the illogic in the media industries plan.
Also remind these fools that HIGH PRICES are the reason for slow down NOT PIRACY! Also the fucking recession might be a good reason, or a Republican in the White House (especially a brain dead former coke fiend father of slutty daughters) - ANY REASON can explain the lack of business growth in any sector.
...the RIAA/MPAA does not need to have an actual case that will stand up in court, in order to shut you down or make you pay a fine in the form of a settlement: it is sufficient to threaten you with a multimillion dollar lawsuit that they can and will drag on for the rest of your natural life. When facing that sort of lawsuit, would you take it to court and fight them all the way, or would you give in and pay the settlement even though they had no case?
The **AA's are actually quite clever to go after end-users and small-time outfits: these are the opponents that will quickly bend over and give in.
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
That's not really funny.
-- Repeat with me: "There is no right to profits".
Bulldozer? Are you kidding????
Try, can you say "Apache Gunship"?
I imagine some calls are being made to the Sharon goverment....Israel is moving tanks into the bank now....watch for "Earthstation 5" to be in the way when they roll. Is this really going to be a surprise to anyone?
I think these people are fools. Do not taunt dragons...they have sharp teeth.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
Don't keep asking what xMule is, ask Google.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
Used CDs:
a) Are cheaper
b) Don't send money to the RIAA
I haven't bought a new CD in many years. I have bought used though.
half.com rocks.
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
Well, if it should be illegal to just think about using or creating p2p software because it can be used for illegal actions, shouldnt that apply to other areas as well or not at all?
I would presume that you can use a gun to do things that are much worse than what you ever could achieve with Kazaa (RIAA might disagree)..
Then again, while we are at it: you could speed in a car, or drive drunk and kill somebody.
Point being the obvious: I dont care if piratism is illegal, it should be, its just that today its easier to pirate music than to buy it, so, it is pirated. The fault for that lies with the industry, but its still not justifying piratism.
But: Dont illegalize tools that may be used for both good and bad, they are only tool, and as I said, I can think of things much worse and harmful than a p2p application..
this hurts my friends as well. i have a friend who runs an indi record store. i spend all kinds of money there, but the majority is on used records--a point that's beaten to death on /.--and records from indi labels. a boycott is a kneejerk response which cause a tremendous amount of collateral damage.
spread the knowledge.
let people know the cost of cd production v. the selling price.
spread the word on how much actually goes to the artist, especially those out of the mainstream
promote music purchased through alternate distribution chanels.
a boycott is usefull, but MASS education is better.
!(^((ri)|(mp))aa$)
Have any of you installed this, and can you comment on whether you're being shown ads or if you otherwise see how it works?
If you were someone who wanted to take down the internet, or build a nice DDOS network, how would you go about doing it? One way would be to try and exploit the latest bug. The other way would be to write up an app that everybody would intetionally install on their machines.
Holy shit - that never even occurred to me, which is surprising, seeing as how I won't even eat free samples of food they give out in grocery stores... 'Hi, I'm a total stranger, put this in your mouth!'
Conversely, with ES5 you get 'Hi, I'm a total stranger in a war-torn area where everyone hates Americans! Install me on your system!'.
Fiendishly clever!
-72
-Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music.
They are anti-establishment. Their software is the epitome of ideals held by hackers everywhere.
From the article:Earthstation 5 also has a FREE multi-user Voice and Video chat system,
FREE Dating system, provides FREE video streaming of first run movies, FREE
ten SEX channels, FREE live Sporting events, and will be releasing soon a
Voice over IP application providing FREE local and international telephone
calls to its users to communicate with each other.
They are attacking the old bricks-and-mortar businesses, in an attempt to force them to change their ancient business practices. And good for them! Information wants to be free, but content doesn't have to be. These companies had better start releasing their music/movies/services to the unwashed masses in a proper and timely manner or people are going to do it for them.
Earth Station 5 are a bunch of unhelpful idiots. What they do not choose to understand is the simple facts of the situation.
...and that target will be the ISPs of America.
While it is true that American laws have no power in Palestine, American laws do indeed have power in the good old US of A.
So, the RIAA will simply take one look at Earth Station 5, see that they cannot touch them, and therefore go for the next available target...
How long before the RIAA makes a petition to a judge, then Congress to insure that American internet users will not even be able to reach the website of Earth Station 5? In my opinion, not very long at all.
And in doing so (provided that they achieve the aim) they will then have started a huge avalanche of lawsuits against the ISPs, forcing ISPs to block access to certain 'undesireable' sites on the internet.
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Jaylen
the fact that es5 are on slashdot and lauding the idea of giving away everything for free, therein holding themselves in some way on a different level to kazaa et al is pretty phenomenal advertising. feel sharing is a godsend. i'm in deepest darkest africa and can't get movies / dvd's unless i go 1000miles away. i have a satellite connection for communications - 128kbps is $950 per month!! long live free downloaded entertainment
Is anyone else paranoid enough to envision ES5 as a front set up to download clandestine malicious programs to the boxes pulling down the files from their site?
/paranoid
I'm no fan of the MPAA, or the Israli Government, and I don't want to add fuel to their arguments to shut down P2P, but, doesn't anyone worry about connecting to a renegade server in Palestine? Doesn't it seem too easy?
"Creativity is allowing ones self to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep" - Scott Adams
There will be no Palestine, until these terrorists stop killing innocent civilians.
They wouldn't have to kill innocent civilians, if they had a possibility to build and finance their own properly equipped army. This way Palestinians could reclaim their occupied grounds in a legitimate way. But who would be able to help them with that, as long as Israel has USA with all its financial, and if needed, military power.
ES5, regardless if its really operated from Palestine, or is just a spoof, is a small , but first step to bring some balance in this conflict.
Yes. Let's put a bullet in that myth right now and stop spreading misinformation on behalf of the RIAA -- sharing of copyrighted material is not illegal if it is done in a way the copyright holder condones and even then there is a fair amount of flexibility depending on which country, but even in the U.S. and other countries subscribing to the Berne convention there is some flexibility.
The real bite is that client-server file sharing, the kind you do with a file server, is getting neglected. If even half of the offices around the world actually used their Netware/Samba/AFS servers, there would be no need to do anything other than filter to /dev/null those $%^&* mail attachments aka MS-Outlook worms.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
Earthstation 5's pressrelease makes it clear that they are trying to do their little bit in the jihad against America. It is obvious that they are terrorist, and I expect it won't be long before the Bush administration labels them a terrorist organization, and will dispatch some troops to take care of the matter.
P2P file sharing is linked to terrorism. If you share music files, you are a terrorist
Brought to you by the Department of Homeland Security.
Buy, then return the DRM CDs you buy. That'll put more cost to the retailer, which will piss them off and cause them to demand changes.
And I don't think the RIAA wants their main means of distribution to get pissed off at them.
AC comments get piped to
Trying to stop file sharing is like trying to nail jello to a tree. Every time they think they've put a nail through the heart of file sharing, it just slips off the stake and morphs into something else.
The only way government and pseudo-government (RIAA, MPAA, etc) officials will help reduce illegal file sharing is if people choose to not download files. It's all about freedom of choice, folks. So save your money from suing people and spend it on advertising, appealing to people's sense of right and wrong. Being a bully and suing some poor college student is just kicking the hornet's nest, and begs for someone like Earth Station 5 to rise up and make what they're trying to stop even worse.
Ruby on Rails Screencast
There are many fine forms of entertainment that aren't controlled by the RIAA/MPAA, and don't agree with them. Live near Baltimore? See a John Waters film at The Charles. Music? Dischord, Touch and Go, Archenemy, Fueled By Ramen (geeks ought to like that label). I went to see Eleni Mandell last Wednesday; it was her first time in Baltimore. It's CRIMINAL that she doesn't get more attention, as she's a wonderful artist (and really nice in person). Far more criminal than some kids depriving Britney Spears of a hypothetical $1 per CD.
:)
This site:
http://www.magnetbox.com/riaa/
has a "bookmarklet" to help you identify non-RIAA bands when you're shopping online. Or, you could find the small clubs in your area (Baltimore: The Talking Head, The Ottobar, The Mojo). Check their schedule, look up the bands (who will probably have free, legal downloads). Go see the ones you might like; it's probably only $5 or so. Buy their CDs if you do like them; most of it goes to them, and the CDs are cheaper too.
Reply to this post with your tastes if you want suggestions. I can't help with hip-hop so much, but I can with nearly everything else. And, shameless plug, WMBC will start broadcasting again in a few weeks
WMBC freeform/independent online radio.
Sure there are people in soviet movie industry who aren't Jewish. Still most of them are. And for those you've mentioned - recount please.
You see, having "Russian" written in your passport, telling everyone you are of course "russki", even visiting ortodox church doesn't change your true identity in most cases.
Just for your personal reference: There is no such country as Palestine. Sorry. It's nowhere on the map. The country to which you are referring is called Israel.
Earthstation 5 also has a FREE multi-user Voice and Video chat system, FREE Dating system, provides FREE video streaming of first run movies, FREE ten SEX channels, (...)
(...) and to make our point very clear that their governing laws and policys have absolutely no meaning to us here in Palestine
Wait a sec... isn't pornography illegal in muslim countries?
Scandalous behaviour by internet users has been exercising religious authorities in the Middle East for some time. According to a Saudi scholar, internet pornography was even foretold by the Prophet as one of the evils that would occur just before the day of judgement.
Article
Where the long arm of the RIAA cannot reach, a fatwa against p2p may kill thousands (literaly).
Hack your mind out of its sandbox.
is that, after all that blustering and defiant language, Earthstation 5 is now unreachable.
Kudos, Slashdot, for doing what the MPAA could not.
Yes. Let's put a bullet in that myth right now and stop spreading misinformation on behalf of the RIAA/2FMPAA -- sharing of copyrighted material is not illegal if it is done in a way the copyright holder condones and even then there is a fair amount of flexibility depending on which country, but even in the U.S. and other countries subscribing to the Berne convention there is some flexibility.
The real bite is that client-server file sharing, the kind you do with a file server, is getting neglected. If even half of the offices around the world actually used their Netware/Samba/AFS servers, there would be no need to do anything other than filter to /dev/null those $%^&* mail
attachments aka MS-Outlook worms.
Isn't that what the upcoming software patent vote is about? Just think about the control you can have with patented file formats and algorithms, backed up by the EUCD/DMCA, the Economic Espionage Act, and the Business Software Alliance. Add restrictions management technology and the lock-in is complete, pretty much killing of the IT sector and most possibility for R & D.Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
A little to add (offtopic) :
About "troll" : just who's posting anonimously?
About "you better ask your doctor about Aricept" : thanks for advice, but I doubt it will help. I spent a big chunk of my life in a city with some 0.1% volume methan,CO,H2S and other shit in the air. I had headaches almost every day since I can remember myself and I've kinda accomodated to it.
As loudly as they proclaim, "Get your Illegal Warez here, we will protect you, we got nothing but illegal sutff," I don't trust them to not be a trap for users. Think about it, RIAA/MPAA set this up, make it super duper abundantly clear that the only purpose here is to be illegal, they score a two fold victory: first their case is strengthened against P2P in general, and second, they eventually sue said company and in an "out of court agreement" come away with complete logs of who did what on the network. Now they get to really sue those people, and their case is all the stronger, "More people watched Terminator 3 on the net than went to see it in theatres!"
Slay a dragon... over lunch!
It was the dawn of the third age of mankind, 4 years after Napster.
The Earth Station 5 Project was a dream given form. Its goal: to provide free entertainment to the people of the internet. It's a port of call for hackers, cracker, leeches, and newbs.
The internet can be a dangerous place, but it's our last, best hope for pr0n.
This is the story of the last of the Earth Stations. The year is 2003. The name of the place is Earth Station 5.
(With appologies to JMS)
Ed Wedig
Graphic design services
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We got in 100th Window at WMBC, and it didn't have any problems in any CD player where I tried it (including a CD-RW drive in Linux), and was also rippable (we have a rotating playlist fill in our gaps when there are no live DJs).
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As far as boycotts, I say that we should make sure to have big increases in sales of non-**AA movies and music, to point out where the revenue really went. Nothing would make me happier
Support small artists, folks. They actually want you to listen to their music. Reply to my other post above if you want suggestions.
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=75555&c
WMBC freeform/independent online radio.
The false claims about dropping revenue need to be refuted. However, that is difficult because in most countries media is not only becoming increasingly privatized (the size of the wallet determine who speaks) but also decreasingly varied so that there are fewer voices and greater chances for abuse.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
Oops, sorry, you'll need a P2P app to download them from my PC.
HAND!
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
Let us summarize:
-streaming FIRST RUN movies over the internet for FREE
-freely share their music and movies online
-FREE video streaming of first run movies
-FREE ten SEX channels
-hides the identities of its users and their IP addresses
It's an RIAA/MPAA honeypot! They're finally learning from us! Run...RUN! They'll be on you like stink on a hillbilly!
Could it be that the RIAA has set a trap for people? The website is very explicit about its intentions, so if you take part, you are knowingly and willingly breaking the law. They can round up a whole bunch of people at the same time!
The xmule story is suspicious to me. The guy doesn't know why his site was shut down, he just assumes it is the RIAA. I don't see how this is newsworthy... at least not yet.
No, no, no. This is not a sig.
THAT's what hurts the theatre, who also pays through the nose for the priveledge to play the Matrix just like you. They're in the same boat. The least you could do is have the decency to buy an overpriced bag of Skittles, as a token of your understanding.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
I don't think the laws of the occupying country apply (completely, atleast) in the occupied territories.
For eg., Isreali army won't be able to kill anyone it likes in Isreal i.e. it can't indulge in extra judicial killings. But it can do so in Palestine. More importantly, people of the occupied territories don't have the same rights enjoyed by citizens of occupier. I've read news stories about the problem of judiciery in Iraq. They are not sure which old laws of Iraq apply ... there was no mention of US laws applying there.
Before 1947, in India, the British enacted separate laws just for India, many of them continue even today.
karma : former act as leading to inevitable results
>> So save your money from suing people and spend it
:AJISF "ASNDfa sdf.....
>> on advertising, appealing to people's sense of
>> right and wrong.
Please tell me you're kidding. The last thing this planet needs are more fucking advertisements.
The Movie studios also have the option of:
- Not spending big gobs of money producing the same old crap over and over again because they've gotten the unwashed masses to beleive that because the early adopter unwashed masses spent the most money on seeing this hunk of flaming dogshit really does make it America's Number one Movie!
--OR--
If a $100 million dollar budget wasnt broken down by roughly:
50% Marketing, Advertising, focus audiences
20-25% Lead actors' salaries
4-6% supporting actors' salaries
(maybe 7% if aging/up-and-coming starlet shows boobs, 8% for a fuck scene)
10% Excplosions & car chases
5% Catering
10% Crew
0.00000001% Script Writing and Development
And things were JUST SCALED DOWN A BIT, there wouldnt be so much money to lose
--OR--
Marketing would not be needed to suck a degree IF YOU DIDNT MAKE SUCH CRAP!!!
Record Studios have the option of:
- Not giving advances to every 15 year old with a workable set of pipes and a sweet rack (yet have never played an instrument or written a song in their lives) and producing their next 3 albums of bubblegum junk.
and then having the gall to sell them for $20 a pop.
---AND---
Trying to get sympathy with one hand while the other is squeezing the testicles of the artists for every drop of blood they can extract
(We're ALL at fault for this. Letting these companies get this big and bloated is a direct result of us saying - adn KNOWING AS TRUTH - "God, why does most media fucking SUCKS ASS these days" and yet still we get together with our buddies, suck back a few beers and go see "Freddy -vs- Jason"
I did it. I'm guilty, and I'm not alone)
maybe I'm just angry. maybe THERES JUST TOO MUCH CRAP BEING FOISTED ON THE WORLD AND WERE SICK OF PAYING TO SORT THROUGH IT YOU FUCKING GREEDY FUCKERS!!!
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-whew-
much better now. back to lurking.
s'wut i sed.
Below is a copy of my letter to my senator, McCain, of Arizona. Feel free, indeed encouraged, to email your own senator (or even others!) and representatives. You can find their addresses at http://www.senate.gov/ and http://www.house.gov/
With respect,
Un-Thesis
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Dear Senators,
Some of you have . It affected me personally on 17-Aug 03. I am the main developer of one of the few person-to-person filetrading programs for UNIX (Linux, FreeBSD, etc) machines and MacOS X.
Apparently I was struck without warning by some DMCA clause for downloading 'copyrighted material.' In other parts of the law, you need habeus corpus, search warrants, judicial review, warning, etc. With the DMCA they merely terminate you, with no warning, with no appeal, with no representation, with no pretense of jurisdiction, based upon evidence that was 100% obtained outside the framework of any noticeable governmental or 3rd-party oversight.
In short, it is an apparently open fascist policy prone to rampant abuse, supporting the rights of the Establishment over the People.
My life revolves around the marvelous information transport technologies collectively referred to as the Internet. I attend a part-time university online (www.accis.edu), near 95% of my contact with my friends and family is online, 100% of my employment is online (via rentacoder.com), and my personal hobbies (www.xmule.org) and political activities (www.fearlesszippy.com, wakeup-people.com, etc) are online.
In short, terminating my internet without warning has seriously halted my life. It is time we make the right to chat online a fundamental human right. The government should be allowed to restrict a person's movements (prohibit uploads, downloads, etc) by placing restrictions on the amount of data a 'criminal' should be able to send online in a given day or so (500KB should be sufficient for email, chat, etc). Such bandwidth caps are already implemented by teh vast majority of broadband suppliers throughout the nation adn would be just about as easy to implement and enforce as the current DMCA suspension of accounts.
I just wish there would be *some* judicial process involved in the DMCA. I should have my constitutional right to a fair trial. This is above and beyond the reasons why most people download movies. People overseas download movies and music because of artificial monopoly regulations that delay the international exportation of American media by weeks and even months.
People in America download media because they are either too poor to purchase the overpriced media, and also primarily to see if a given media is of good enough intellecutal quality to warrant purchasing, due to the unequal consumer rights 'laws' which prohibit the returning of open media.
Generally, people download not out of nefarious intent, but because they lack real alternatives to verify the intellectual quality of any given electronic Media before purchasing.
Thus, more consumer rights laws, less 'illicit' copyright infringement.
Sincerely,
Theodore R. Smith
Promote freedom; fight fascism.
Wow, this is great. I had never heard of earthstation5 before today.
Literalism isn't a form of humor, it's you being irritating.
Earthstation 5 is at war with the Motion Picture Association of America
(MPAA) and the Record Association of America (RIAA), and to make our point
very clear that their governing laws and policys have absolutely no meaning to
us here in Palestine, we will continue to add even more movies for FREE.
I hadn't be able to come up with a word to describe the
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People don't download the crap. They don't even download the good stuff to avoid getting crap. They download to avoid paying.
Now, I'm no fan of any of the money-hungry lawsuit-happy big corps out there, but you have to use your head a bit. The RIAA business model is based around singles and one-hit-wonders. To get one decent song you want, you have to shell out for a whole CD or Album which often otherwise contains crap.
It's not about the expense of CD's themselves... I find that a CD with 90%+ good content is worth the bucks (if it weren't funding the RIAA)... it's about getting a shitty value for our dollar.
Now with movies it is different. Unless you go to opening night (and that's your choice) there are loads of movie reviews out quickly. The MPAA even admits that text messaging is speeding this process. Now, are these idiotic lawsuits a good thing? No.
However, to turn the buck around, is expecting to get away with downloading perfectly good movies just to avoid paying for them a good thing either? No! The MPAA does make good movies. Over the last year I've seen lots of em (American Wedding being the latest). They were worth my cash, and if the MPAA went after users who were providing bootleg/P2P movies I think that would be great. Going after the programmers is dumb... but everyone else is trying to freeload a quality product.
Come on people, you don't believe that anime should be "pirated", so why should movies? Want them to cost less, protest the huge f***ing wages going to bullsh*t actors or producers. Don't watch the movie. But if you go out and download Revelations insteading of paying to see/buy it... then you're no better them them... you're just being a greedy bastard.
In summary. Nope, we don't have to pay for the crap. But the stuff being downloaded isn't crap, or at least it's in demand, or it wouldn't be downloaded. I won't be buying any RIAA music anytime soon, but I will be seeing Revelations in the theatre, as it shoudl be. How about you?
Indus valley and Vedic people lived in these areas from ... take this ... 3,500 B.C. Yes, a full 4000 years before Islam. And yes, the Vedas clearly state that these areas are the "mother land (mathru bhoomi)".
And hey, why are people talking about Mugabe throwing out a few white farmers ? Haven't native people been there for atleast 50,000 years?
You know what .... the muslims didn't drop out of the sky. The jews in Isreal, Hindus in India converted to Islam. So it is their land too, as much as it is jews/Hindus.
karma : former act as leading to inevitable results
You can share with your friends (instead of 60M people) so it's less guilt factor. Plus it is over an RSA encrypted link. The best of all P2P worlds.
http://waste.sourceforge.net/
"There are laws that enslave men, and laws that set them free. " - Sean Connery as King Arthur
Is this the cyberterrorism the talking heads on the idiot box have gone on and on about?
The Uncoveror: It's the real news.
I rember when arcades were thriving then home video games came out and as thay got better people stopped going to the arcade. Arcade owners cried. This is the same you could only see movies on the big screen (Theator), then vcr's came out rember the big ho ha about tape piroting? Now that DVD and big screen why go out. Get the DVD from a friend or from netflix. That is where the market has gone, who has time to go out to see something with $4 drinks and $8 popcorn. Mike
See, I know they were bigots
"I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey
For the "sake of curiousity" I decided that I wanted to check this site out. Particularly the claim of providing first-run movies (I'm not interested in wasting my money on The Hulk...hey I got the text page telling me it sucks, remember?). I don't know if it's the bandwidth constraints of refugee camps or the serious slashdotting but the movie stop for two minutes of buffering just about every 20 seconds.
u lk-384.wmv" , Target = "")
Frustrated, I whipped out my trusty copy of ASFRecorder. Imagine my surprise when it failed to connect! First time that has ever happened to me. So I whipped out my trusty backup copy of ASFRecorder that was recompiled with a Windows Media Player User-Agent string. That didn't work either! This was bizarre. I'm watching the video play right now (albeit poorly) in WMP but ASFRecorder with the exact same user agent is getting connection closed. I try HiDownload, again, failed, even with the same agent string! What is going on here?
The entire thing is SWF based so I download an evaluation copy of SWF Scanner and decide to see what URL I'm actually going to. Low and behold, what is this?
on (unLoad) {Get URL("mms://stream.es5.com:1755/es5/movies/The%20H
What the hell is with that blank "target" paramenter? Can anyone explain that? I have a feeling that is the problem. ASFRecorder only takes a URL, there is no place to specify a target. Ditto for HiDownloader and Windows Media Player. I confirmed that if I type the stream location into Media Player, it fails to connect. But, if I make an ASX file that links to the stream and includes the blank "target" parameter, it works!
Okay, now it's gone beyond trying to see if The Hulk is really as crappy as everyone says. This is a mystery, and I'm hoping someone here can figure it out.
In short, streaming file plays in Windows Media Player but it seems impossible to capture this stream using any of the tools available. Is there a solution? And why would these boneheads at war with the RIAA/MPAA bother to sabatoge downloads to begin with?
- JoeShmoe
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-- I wonder which will go down in history as the bigger failure: the War on Drugs or the War on Filesharing
If our government wasn't run by corporate intrests, we wouldn't need DRM. It's not quite on topic, but why was the BSA allowed to raid and fine Ernie Ball without direct government intervention? If they had the feds come in and do it for them, I wouldn't be quite as concerned, but when a coporate agency can enforce the law, there is a problem.
"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
Finally someone who makes sense. Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to??? /unless you are being sarcastic
lolomfgafaik
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!
I can't help but to wonder what their policy would be on locally (as in Palistinian/Israli) produced content, and how ES5 is percieved by those in the entertainment industry over there. Do they support it, believing it will help spread their product to a greater audience, or are they also against it, believing it will stifle their efforts?
Before I get flamed to death for the parent, I suppose I should point out that:
-I think sueing the authors of P2P apps is retarded
-I think sending out nastygrams to almost random IP's is retarded
-I think that the MPAA should be able to expect profit (and less "piracy") on the good movies. The others end up in bargain-bin anyhow...
-I think that sueing heavy P2P users, or litigating them, is a workable solution
-I think that sueing college students or teenagers for unreasonable amounts is retarded
-I think the RIAA and MPAA could both use a new business model... but that's not entirely the problem (people are cheap)
-I think that if you made something and millions of people were copying it without authorization you'd be pissed, too
It's hard to come up with the right analogy but how about clothing?
You want a new outfit. You go to the store. You try it on. You test the fit. You try different colors. You try different materials. You select your purchases based on a full use experience.
Movies (more especially) and music (to some degree) operate on a trust system. You read reviews of the product, you hear a song or two -- but you don't know what the full product is truly going to be like in use. No one wants to spend money based on trust. One wants a full use experience before committing the necessary money towards ownership or a personal copy license.
The MPAA/RIAA don't trust you the way they insist you trust them. The answer is stop playing the trust game. Another model must present itself -- something beyond extending copyright ad infinitum.
I will give the MPAA one break though, let's admit that for many people a movie is a one time experience -- you see the film, you're done with it forever. Full use is in some case the only use needed. One way to offset the difficulties presented is to drop the value risked (i.e. lower the price of a movie theater ticket) or allow refunds on demand. When I see a bad movie in the theater and paid full evening price (approaching $10 in SF) for the ticket, I do almost feel as if I had been mugged. That might be overstating it, but it's still not fair somehow.
That said, the RIAA is out of luck -- if the music is good you will listen to it again and again and again. Full use in advance is perfectly fair. If the music sucks you should never have to pay for it. But if you like it, you should buy it.
Well then someone ought to validate the source, shouldn't they.
- http://pakman.sytes.net/
Isn't it amazing how something so unimportant as a few studios that produce screen plays and music can drastically change the laws in a huge country full of freedom loving (wanting) people?
The RIAA and MPAA members wealthy off our dollar. Please don't spend more money with these people unless you don't mind kissing more freedoms goodbye.
In this county, during its founding, it was acknowledged that citizens have a god given right to bear arms and protect themselves, among other rights.
This is the law here, if you don't approve, you may move to a country that doesn't attempt to protect those RIGHTS.
Pretty simple really.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Rather twisted view of things you have there, suing a manufacturer of firearms has NOTHING to do with 'stealing lives'.. It only has to do with people attempting backdoor means to remove the constitutional rights extended to the citizens of this country since day one.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Even if it takes years.. ill fight them, then sue them for damages afterwards.
If i represent myself, i wont cost as much, plus sice its still a civil manner ( for now ) there isnt any jail time, just a lot of court time..
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Has anyone seen the source code of this? How do we know that it isn't a trojan, and thay the whole thing isn't an attempt to gain control of a portion of the world IT infrastructure?
Thats right, their web site says they are a group of multinationals, and all good friends. Its a good thing you can trust everything you read on the net...
It strikes me that the earth station Boss or PR guy may not be using his real name as "Ras Kabir" which is the name in the press release is arabic for "Big head". this may just be a discrepancy in the was his arabic name has been phoneticly translated to roman characters though...
But it's seeds doubt in my mind...
An interesting article at Zeropaid.com. But has anyone here actually tried the software? It sounds too good to be true... Any personal experiences would be interesting.
Future Wiki -- If you don't think about the future, you cannot have one.
Now, I agree that his situation sucks. But when practically all your own life depends on an internet connection, how come you don't have some safeguards in place, like a second connection, even if it's a modem one?
My work isn't online, but here I have 4 computers, an UPS, and another one that I'll buy because I'm running out of capacity. I can also dig out my old modem if I ever need. If you depend so much on something, you have to take some care and make sure that you won't lose money while you look for some place that still sells AT supplies, or something like that.
They have a sales contact listed on their website but what are they selling?
How can they afford to give away FREE everything with no Ads or Spyware? What is the catch?
Please don't tell me that not everything is about money because it is.
- SR
I hate to break it to you, but Palestine has been at WAR with Israel for many many years (...you insensitive clod --couldn't resist :).
When you are at war, you don't think about making/selling movies mate.
On the other hand, they've been bitten by the Israel-supporting US many times, and they want to bite back.
When they say that 'US laws don't apply here'... well, we may generally have many counterexamples (Christiansen, anyone?), but they know that the system is already not in their favour, so why bother?
my 0.02
T.
I'm no longer fed up with MS Windows: I go rid of them
Hey I didn't say I watched the films ;) We've downloaded so much stuff we don't have time to watch it. The point is I wouldn't pay money for the movies cause I'm only going to watch them either once or only the first 15mins then delete it cause its crap. We have a load of dl'd movies, that we've then gone out and got the DVDs cause we think they're worth the money. It's not that we don't want to buy films, its we don't want to buy shit films.
I guess we use P2P as a sort of testing bed for films, watch it, if its good buy it, if not trash it. Equally though we do own some real crap DVDs, we goto the local Exchange place and if we see a DVD thats like $1.99 we buy it, even if its crap, just cause its cheap, because we believe that its ok to pay $1.99 for a crap film, but not $20!! I'm willing to pay $30 for LOTR Two Towers when it comes out, as it'll have a hell of a lot of extra stuff, like 40mins extra footage, now that is worth paying for, not a film with no menus and no extras thats a rubbish film anyway,
selective purchasing or selective pricing? I know which sells more!
I spent ages trying to think of sig, but never did
Haven't we already established P2P itself breaks no law, it is only the actual people who shares copyrighted material? Why go after the developers?
What does the court stand in this battle?
See, in 1983, before CD's came out, LP albums cost about $6.98, and tapes about the same. Then CD's came out, costing TEN DOLLARS MORE! The industry's excuse was that CD's cost more to make, "better sound forever", and other rubbish. Now we know these all were lies. CD's now cost about 1/10th as much to press as records cost at their cheapest (and I'm speaking 2003 dollars here which are worth about half of 1983 ones). CD's STILL cost almost 20 bucks apiece. The record companies' excuse is that inflation has finally caught up, which is more bullshit. In essence, they TRIPLED the price of CD's over LP's, got rid of LP's (to remove choice), got rid of singles (to make sure that you HAD to pay $17.98 to get the ONE song you liked), raped the consumer for over 20 years, formed cartels (which would have been illegal in 1983!) and now when the consumer finally has the ability to fight back they respond by bribing our lawmakers to maintain the status quo by passing the DMCA, throwing the Constitution out the window in the process. Yep..sure sounds like an upstanding business model and a fair deal for the consumer, huh?
and it's the ugliest damn program I've used in a long, long time.
"There is no time, sir, at which ties do not matter," Jeeves, (Jeeves and the Impending Doom)
"ass eating monkey trolls"?
God, that's funny. I'm going to try and use that in a sentence today.
I am also impressed with ES5, they are trying to fight back against MPAA/RIAA with going on the offensive at once.
MPAA/RIAA first destroyed Napster, a music only centralized system, that could have generated cash with a few tweeks to the system. But no the music industry did not want that so they killed it.
That left a void which was soon filled by Kazaa, DC and everybody else, some go to other countries, some go broke, some hang on only to see there users attacked by MPAA/RIAA. The field is now filled by these application and all of them are trying to talk to MPAA/RIAA. If another P2P app appears it will have no void to fill and therefore few users.
Therefore this ES5 has gone on the attack. They don't care about international laws, they protect their users identity, they use encryption. They are either trying to be the next big app and earn loads of cash or they will go down realy fast.
If they get a lot of users fast and they cannot be defeated legaly then I wouldn't be suprised if the MPAA/RIAA begin to fight dirty.
MPAA -> Bush -> Israeli president -> Army -> Missiles.
MPAA -> Bush -> Palestinian peace prosess -> New laws.
Palestinians, being semites themselves, can hardly be anti-semitics...
Somebody's not paying attention.
Semite means of the Semetic peoples, ie those in and around the Arab world
but 'anti-semite' has been tied to the jewish people for a long time.
Even your own source agrees with me (emphasis in dictionary):
Main Entry: anti-Semitism
Pronunciation: "an-ti-'se-m&-"ti-z&m, "an-"tI-
Function: noun
Date: 1882
: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group
Main Entry: Semitic
Pronunciation: s&-'mi-tik also -'me-
Function: adjective
Etymology: German semitisch, from Semit, Semite Semite, probably from New Latin Semita, from Late Latin Semitic Shem
Date: 1813
1 : of, relating to, or constituting a subfamily of the Afro-Asiatic language family that includes Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, and Amharic
2 : of, relating to, or characteristic of the Semites
3 : JEWISH
Use my userscript to add story images to Slashdot. There's no going back.
...with his visit to the Al Aqsa Mosque. And he's fighting it with my tax dollars, killing Palestinians and Americans like Rachel Corrie.
Someday there'll be a US administration that doesn't blindly follow Israeli fundamentalists and their ethnic cleansing agenda ("Israel as a Jewish state"). When that happens, right-wing Israelis will regret their past irresponsibility. I, for one, can't wait.
It seens that the only non-free thing on the
... I liked it...who is working on
earth station software is just itself.
Not free as in speech at least.
So
a GPLD Gaia Station 5 to connect on their network
and when are the beta test versions due?
-><- no
They did. Read the article. It says federal marshalls showed up at the door.
"I don't find that very funny."
(Score:-1, Whatever)
Corporation, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. - Ambrose Bierce
maybe you could do one of those "asseatingmonkeytrolls" ten times while you're giving a ticket ..
how long it's going to be before a car bomb is parked outside the door of this company?
A distinctive mark, characteristic, or sound indicating identity
Maybe they are running spyware, and keeping IP logs. Maybe this is an RIAA/MPAA sting. That would be entrapment. This thread is calling out for the Fark.com Admiral Ackbar cliche'. Does anyone have ASCII art of it? It's a trap!
How ya like dat?
I am the original poster, and if you'd looked at my reply that's right next to yours you'd have seen me say that, indeed, there are much bigger problems in both Palestine and Iraq. I've visited Israel and Palestine, and talked to people in both places. There's a lot of truly aweful stuff going on.
But, that does not make my original post "crap", nor worth the expletives you shoved on the people who modded it up.
This was a story about filesharing and copyright infringement, and I asked a relevant question! So unless you have something interesting and worthwhile to add to the discussion, sit down and be quiet.
I am concerned about any program, any piece of hardware, any treaty, any law that treats me as a consumer, not a citizen
"us here in Palestine"
wtf, last time I checked Palestine has not been around since 1948, way before P2P applications were invented.
Something else everyone seems to forget. Video production costs, promostional costs, and a lot of other BS has gone through the roof since 1983. CD's aren't just music anymore - even though that's basically all you still get (well, that and smaller album covers).
Go ahead and look at the video quality from 1983 (except for perhaps Duran Duran - they started the million dollar video), and you'll see what I mean.
Most of these videos that are made today will never even see the light of MTV anyway but you'll pay for them by simplyh buying the $17 dollar CD. Well when I do buy said CD.. WHERE'S MY FUCKING VIDEO??! I've paid for it, and I feel like I'm being ripped off - you should too.
If the music industry wants to compete they need to do just that - COMPETE.
"...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
I know the situation isn't the same. However, it is an interesting thought. Will we ever get so sick of IP law, that we will stage a modern day Boston Tea Party? Even if we don't, it makes for an interesting look at my country's revolution.
Another interesting point is that the British felt the taxes imposed were legitimate given the cost of the French and Indian War.
What do you mean my sig is repetitive? What do you mean my sig is repetitive? What do you mean....
Actually you can look up the correct facts here:e 10.html
http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrat
2000, United States
Drowning Deaths and Rates per 100,000
All Races, Both Sexes, Ages 0 to 16
ICD-10 Codes: W65-W74,X71,X92,Y21
Number of
Deaths Population Crude Rate
1,113 66,462,150 1.67
000, United States
Firearm Deaths and Rates per 100,000
All Races, Both Sexes, Ages 0 to 16
ICD-10 Codes: W32-W34,X72-X74,X93-X95,Y22-Y24,Y35.0
Number of
Deaths Population Crude Rate
1,046 66,462,150 1.57
As you see the total drowning just a small bit more than gun releated.
Now, there's no option for "pool releated", but I would say most drownings happen in dangerous places
, like where there is a big current.
ES5 being a spyware was my initial gut feeling -
The description of their client software reads as a crafted marketing message ('free this, free that') and sounds a bit too good to be true. Also they are not immediately perceived as people doing it for the fun of it, they don't disclose sources and 'f*ck corporations' attitude is not convincing enough to justify what seems to be very big development effort. In other words -
what's in it for them ?
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CD's don't always cost about $20. Sure, I can go to the record store in the mall and pay that or and I can go to places like Target, Borders, Best Buy, etc and pay $3-$7 less for the same CD, maybe even less online. I don't see that as the industry sticking it to the customer. There are other factors involved there. Consumers need to be smarter. Not all stores sell at list price. Don't pay $20 for a CD that you can get for $14 down the street.
'Same speed C but faster'
This is going to be interesting.
Try a traceroute on "www.earthstation5.com" and report back. Something unusual is going on.
The reason you can purchase them much cheaper at places like Best Buy and Target is because they're actually losing money on CD sales. Their philosophy is simple, and in my opnion, genius: if we offer a hot commodity (cheap tunes), they will purchase other crap from us, too.
u r-plate fecal matter.
I have a friend that is purchasing manager for the local branch of a chain record store. He told me that dreck like Eminem and 50 Cent cost the STORES approximately $15 per disc.
So you can see how big chains lose money on CD sales, and why they are willing to do so. Well, from everything I've heard, *were* willing to do. I've heard rumors (granted, nothing more, but from trusted sources) that Best Buy (and one can extrapolate other chains from this argument) are worried that they're losing SO much money, that they're going to stop selling CDs. Again, that is just rumor mills.
It doesn't affect me, personally, because I refuse to purchase music from any band on an RIAA label because a) I disagree with their litigation process, and b) they put out shit in CD form. Pure, unfiltered, still-steaming-fresh-from-the-cow's-asshole-to-yo
I think occupied territories don't have any laws. I'm not a lawyer but that's my impression. Instead, the closest thing to a legal system is the occupying power's wishes. Palestine does not have a government (it only has an "administration", which isn't even elected in most cases). So the laws that apply are whatever Isreal wishes, or the local authoraties (you can be one too) want.
:( ...
Similarly, I expect Iraq to have no TRUE legal system. Instead, American laws (or at least wishes) will be imposed on the Iraqis. This is the reality of the situation. After all, do you really think that USA will let Saddam's laws be used? Yes, Saddam, like all dictators, basically wrote the laws...
Occupied territories are similar to colonies, under colonialism. Colonies were basically slave states to the colonial power. They had a legal system but it was nothing more than the occupying force's rules passed off as law. SAdly, the population followed the rules
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Sivaram Velauthapillai
Seeking the meaning of life... @slashdot of all places
google group has some interesting things to say on 'earthstation5' An example. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=earthstation5&hl =en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=fnhggvoeut4ubuk5g2q d0rdqu4piuev8ob%404ax.com&rnum=7
Sorry, I think you must have forgotten about the six day war in 1967 (OK so it was a "preemptive strike". Name a war where the first person to attack hasn't claimed that).
Ask France what happens when you do nothing as massive amounts of troops and weapons move toward your borders. As for wars where the first people to attack didn't claim self-defense, you give two examples below: Israel's war for independence and the Yom Kippur war where the only aims were to destroy Israel.
You also seem to have overlooked the 1978 and 1982 invasions of Lebanon -- the last one being condemned even by the US. So by my counting Israel was invaded twice in the last 55 years: the 1947 independence war and the 1973 Yom Kippur war. Perhaps you were confusing Israel with Lebanon, which has never started a war but has been invaded three times in the last 30 years (by Syria in 1976, Israel in 1978 and 1982).
Considering all the attacks on Israel from bases in Lebanon (which was and is still controlled by Syria but nobody complains about that bloody occupation) I'm going to believe Israel's self-defense arguments in that instance too. We took out the Taliban for pretty much the same reason.
Because the Palestinians don't have the option of sending in helicopter gunships to assassinate Israeli politicians. I'm not condoning suicide bombings, but your comparison is laughable. In a conflict, each side will naturally make use of the means at its disposal. Moreover israel's "targeted assassinations" invariably kill many more people than just those being targeted -- but obviously a 6-year-old girl who happens to live next door to a Hamas leader doesn't matter as much as a 6-year-old killed in a suicide bombing.
You are condoning suicide bombings. Hell, you're condoning suicide bombings against civilians too by morally equivicating the actions of a democratic nation defending itself to thugs who target civilians in order to invite the harshest reprisals possible in order to win over public opinion. And it appears to be working (an AP story today was titled Hamas abandons truce after Israel strike. Heck, I thought they abandoned the truce when they bombed an Israeli bus and killed 20 people-6 children). Yeah more people that those just target by Israel die but they're not invariably or even often innocent civilians. And even if they were the rules of war permit proportionality in the use of force against legitimate targets (think Deathstar contractors). That is, you could bomb a convoy with Saddam even if his civilian family is with him. One of the first polls ever conducted of the Palestinians showed that a majority didn't support suicide bombings because of the harsh reprisals and their prevention of any peaceful settlement. Plenty of rebels succeeded without resorting to systematically targeting civilians. But again, Israel wouldn't be doing any of that shit if they weren't getting attacked all the time.
And guess why the Palestinians don't have the 'means' to destroy Israel. Other Arab countries aren't really interested in the Palestinian's cause other than use as a distraction from their own problems. Despite the fact that Palestinian GDP is better than most Arab peoples (excluding oil) because of their economic ties to Israel they could still be much better off if they cooperated rather than try to push Israel into the sea. The Palestinians who live in Israel have more right and are generally better of than Arabs pretty much anywhere else.
Sorry to go off topic on this Isreali /Palastinean discussion, but has anyone used this EarthStation p2p? Any good? How would you rate it?
I'm with you on most of that. However, I can't help but recognize the amendments that gave women and minorities the right to vote. As far as I'm concerned, those are necessities.
I bet you have the complete "Porky's" collection too, huh?
Sheesh, talk about falling off the clue train. For the record I don't pay to see movies or buy CDs - but I also download any damn thing I please. Ironically, that very rarely includes music published under an RIAA label. And it most certainly never includes movies, since I live in an area that will have broadband about the time Michael Eisner becomes POTUS.
Frankly, I'm all for greedy bastards - just not greedy bastards in suits. I wish everyone in the US would download more shit and stop sending their money to Hollywood, because Hollywood has way too fucking much power and if you cut off the money you put lobbyists on the street, which means you destroy the power.
That very same "greed" is what put a bunch of snooty frenchmen on the gallows. The american people might be too stupid to elect representatives that actually represent them, but greed is the one universal human trait that can be relied upon to enact change when nothing else will.
Cannibals capture three hunters an American, a Briton, and an Israeli," begins a classic Israeli joke. The first two hunters make last requests typical to their nationalities, then it is the Israeli's turn. He asks that he be punched in the face.
The surprised cannibal grants the wish, at which point the Israeli pulls out a gun, shoots the chief, and frees himself and his friends. The American and Briton, furious, demand to know why he prolonged their terrifying experience when he had the power to free them all. The Israeli replies: "What? Are you mad? The UN would have condemned me as the aggressor.
and to make our point very clear that their governing laws and policys have absolutely no meaning to us here in Palestine, we will continue to add even more movies for FREE.
So is the MPAA going to go after these guys, or just wait for Israel to bulldoze the right house ? There's a joke in here about Jews controlling the media, but I have a feeling people would take it too seriously.
In Soviet America the banks rob you!
Copied from Associated Press
RIAA strikes back.
Several weeks ago, the writers of an obscure program known as Earth Station 5 (ES5) declared "war" on the RIAA. Most computer users saw it as a media attention grabbing announcement because their "press release" was mostly a glorified sales pitch. In the release, they claimed to have over 20 million users online, when in fact, the figure is closer to 20 thousand.
ES5's network uses two technologies that have been around for a while. The first is known as Secure Socket Layer 3.0 (SSL) which is the standard for online financial transactions. The other is known as a proxy server. A proxy is commonly used by internet and network providers to cache data for faster access and/or allow people to access parts of a network that a firewall would otherwise block. Since the RIAA as been using people's IP addresses to subpoena ISP's, a proxy is used in this case to hide the user's IP.
The RIAA's sting operation began a few days after the announcement by ES5 developers. They purchased a set of IP addresses outside of their public known ranges in order to fool people, who ordinarily block them, into a false sense of security. Then they set up two "secure and anonymous" proxy servers for use by ES5 and began to quietly announce them in to popular P2P websites.
They let the servers run for at least a month. During this time they collected information about everything that people were transmitting and receiving. Besides what was being transferred, they also collected bandwidth usage statistics as well as IP addresses. Of the 20 thousand actual users, 5 thousand users in the U.S. have used one of the two proxies, and has been issued subpoenas.
Okay, I'm picking this one up. This is just waaaaaay too amusing.
1. CINEMA - Israeli law doesn't give a yellow doggypoo about DVD-related offences. Our DVD libraries hold movies from just about every region there is out there, Airline Region7/8 not excluded. Out in the open. Our locally-produced DVD's say "Region 2" but are actually unencrypted.
2. CINEMA - Most of our DVD appliances are sold in an already-patched-to-RPC1 state.
3. Our courts of law will let a home-end-user off the hook 100% of the time if he pleads being naive to the law or to what his actions mean (Oh, this is illegal? Sorry!). This has already happened a few times.
4. RIAA, local version - Our "RIAA-thingie" commonly known as ACUM is this pathetic granny-organization. Every once in a while they realize local artists who haven't recorded a single track in 18 years are not making enough money, so they make a commercial with said artists looking at the ground and shutting up for about 30 seconds. Some people complained of a strange gut feeling after watching this, not unlike what you get when you see 15kg starving human beings in Somalia. It is claimed that this is induced by their morbidly grim (and silent) stares rather than their weight. The failure of the campaign lay in the fact that it caused people to rush to the toilet and throw up rather than rush to their favorite CD store and buy a CD.
5. RIAA, local version - Probbably the worst lawsuit that got headlines in the last two years was a 2-seat hair-saloon that got sued when an ACUM undercover agent (urp?!) who realized they were playing a CD (and did not receive explicit permission from the artist to play it in a public place). This made headlines. The saloon got sued for ~2K$. 2K$ is not a whole damn lot in Israel. But definitely worth its entertainment weight in gold. Yes, Israelis steal local content, but at least our RIAA-wannabe-thingamabob doesn't think it can just shut the internet down. Then again, I don't think they understand what an internet is or how you turn it on. Same for the record labels, most of whose sites are made up of four FrontPage95-Generated HTMLs. (but with anchors!).
6. Software - Businesses that heavily use illegal software are sometimes prosecuted. That's because the local M$/ADOBE-sponsored BSA (anti-sw-piracy) organization is sponsored relatively well. Then again I believe they're employing mostly lawyers, and aren't aware that P2P is around, or, for the matter, what P2P is in the first place. I don't think I ever read anything said by the BSA regarding P2P in the press. EVER.
And, the sweetest of the lot:
7. Palestine? Copyright Laws? _LAWS_? MUA. MUAHA. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Sorry. Spontaneous Burst.
Palestine is an anarchy, a no-mans-land, theoretically controlled by the Israeli military (who periodically run around and have very itchy trigger fingers, and for a good, or at least healthy reason), and several ""palestinian"" criminal gangs like the Hammas, the Islamic Jihad, etc. I say "criminal gangs" because these people couldn't care less if the entire _palestinian_ people, their own mothers included, had an eye torn out with a fishhook and no anaesthetic tomorrow. Said criminals are into power, politics, and proving to the world that they have the longest ***O by blowing up all the civvies they can. And to hell with their own mother.
Copyright laws to them... sorta like a PhD in quantum physics is to a fish (which hasn't figured out what to do with the bycicle yet).
The one realistic observation one has to make on the matter of this whole thing being a farce is that 90% of the palestinian people are well below the poverty line. This means they don't have enough to feed their children.
So either this guy has a wealthy dad (in which case he'd probbably be living in Europe/USA/Down-Under) and absolutely zlip to do with his money, or he plain isn't where he says he is. Keep in mind that Internet in Israel/PALand costs more than it does in the US. You pay more than 2$/Gig a month here. More like 50$/1.5M. Do the math.
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Apparently because of some loophole in the Canadian Copyright Act of 1998, it just might be legal for us Canadians to share music. http://techcentralstation.com/1051/techwrapper.jsp ?PID=1051-250&CID=1051-081803C
I submitted this article yesterday but, not surprisingly, the mods even less objective than meta-mods. :)
You insensitive clod!
"Dancing is the vertical expression of a horizontal desire" --Robert Frost
ES5 *IS* actually TROJAN SPYWARE proof!!! DANGER
k .net... ...
"DN" wrote in message
news:4H%Ka.6750$v71.3255@nwrddc01.gnilin
: The Earthstation 5 (ES5) P2P app, which boasts anonymous sharing
: and security, is actually software designed by contractors hired
: by the RIAA! The "Dating" feature was designed to trick users
: into entering their personal info, which makes it easier for the
: RIAA to compile statistics and track down users. All traffic
: statistics are routed through proxies operated by agencies
: working for the RIAA, most notably BayTSP and MediaForce. The
: cheesy outerspace theme was designed to appeal to newbies while
: appearing to have a feeling of security to it without scaring
: away the non-techies. Company info for ES5 is very vague,
: can you guess why?
:
: ES5 is just one of the many projects in effect by the RIAA. The
: MPAA is staying somewhat neutral at the moment, but has similiar
: plans in store.
:
: BOTTOM LINE: DO NOT USE ES5!
:
does anyone here want to refute this!!! this has been known for over a month.
I really can't buy this.
In Texas (and in other places, I just don't know if there's one where you live) we have a store called Hastings. Hastings tends to sell CDs at anywhere from $11 to $15 with occasional spikes or dips depending up on the CD. The other thing the store does is video rentals, books, and a very small computer game section. Their music selection is larger than Best Buy and generally considered one of their main sources of income. At the prices you're quoting, there is no way they could be making money. Books are big, videos certainly are, but the using music as a draw for people to buy other items simply wouldn't work in a store where the average "other item" probably costs around $5 (combined books and video rentals).
Jurisdiction. Specifically, the case that held the legality if P2P was decided in a different district than this case, so there is no appliciable precedent here. That's how the system works: precedent only works in the jurisdiction of the court making precedent, and only for lower courts at that.
Further, precedent doesn't prevent a lawsuit from being filed; it merely provides a tool for the defense team. As a practical matter, when there is a strong precedent favoring the defense, the plaintiff (or prosecution, in criminal cases) will decline to file, as he knows he has a weak case; however, without a strong precedent, or with a precedent he feels will be overturned (setting a precedent in the opposite direction, which they already have in some jurisdictions), the plaintiff may decide to press anyway. The plaintiff may also believe the precedent may not apply (and I sincerely doubt anybody here is sufficiently familiar with the circumstances of the KaZaA case and case to make such a determination; indeed, it's up to the presiding judge to make that call, in every case). Further, the plaintiff can file anything he wants; it's up to the defense to even mention the precedent. That is, each side has the make its own case, and if it fails to do so, it loses. The judge cannot rule on evidence not presented.
(Note that this applies in all cases, to all parties: for example, in criminal law, you can be guilty as hell, but if the prosecutor fails to prove just one of the elements of the offense, even by omission, you can ask for an immediate dismissal on the grounds that he didn't prove all elements, and you'll get it.)
I, of course, am not a lawyer, but I sit next to one at the dinner table.
Moderate drunk! It's more fun that way!
I'm from Colombia and I laugh because the Medellin Cartel jokes. And I've had colateral consecuences because the armed conflict.
Humor is a good way of get free of so much stress and stuff, if youre really affected by conflicts. You don't imagine what armed groups do to people here because the press is somewhat censored about that. If you live in the USA and feel ashamed by your governments actions and believe that feeling sorry about all that can change something, well, that's not true.
And I laughed!!!
We are Turing O-Machines. The Oracle is out there.
Well, it could be that as purchaser for his branch, he is buying the CDs from a main corporate distributor for the store, and it has already added its standard markup. That's just a guess though. It could also be that, like you say, there are spikes and dips - mostly a function of the artist and how much the label believes they can suck you for. Most big chains don't have that spike or dip phenomenon, and may simply even out their prices. Again, these are just guesses.
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Semitism
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Anti-Semitism is hatred or antipathy directed against Jews. It typically takes the form of
hostility toward Jews in a degree that greatly exceeds any legitimate grievances or resulting from no legitimate cause whatsoever; or
disdain for supposed physical or moral features of Jews.
The opposite of anti-Semitism is philo-Semitism: love and respect of Judaism and the Jewish people. The adjectival form is anti-Semitic.
Etymology and Usage
Wilhelm Marr coined the German word Antisemitismus in Germany in 1873, at a time when racial science was fashionable but religious hatred wasn't. The term signified the transformation anti-Jewish sentiments and Jew-hatred ("JudenhaB") underwent in the 19th century, when the only Semitic people found in significant numbers in Germany were Jews. Anti-semitism was a new way to express and understand the old Jew-hatred, more adapted to 19th century beliefs in scientific progress and Nationalism. The related word semitism was coined around 12 years later, in 1885.
Here's a little more for you:
The argument is sometimes put forward that the Arabs cannot be anti-Semitic because they themselves are Semites. Such a statement is self-evidently absurd, and the argument that supports it is doubly flawed. First, the term "Semite" has no meaning as applied to groups as heterogeneous as the Arabs or the Jews, and indeed it could be argued that the use of such terms is in itself a sign of racism and certainly of either ignorance or bad faith. Second, anti-Semitism has never anywhere been concerned with anyone but Jews, and is therefore available to Arabs as to other people as an option should they choose it.
A great deal of modern writing about Jews, in the Arab lands as in other parts of the Islamic world, might suggest that many have indeed chosen this option.
Bernard Lewis Semites and Anti-Semites p. 117
(hat tips to SecHumanist and Zulubaby from the LFG
P2P has only created a %7 loss in the industry, that's right.. 7%. not a huge number either, and the artists who are bitching, right after they complain how they're going poor, they buy a new load of sports cars. it's crap, it's greed at its finest, people got tired of the greed and found a way to extend their middle fingers, so now these greedy companies want the government to supress the people into being a controlled permanent money flow. this is where mainstream music is about to die. what;s funny is that there was also a chart showing how much cd sales have tripled from p2p. The real problem are the real pirates, who copy cd's and then redistribute them for a lower price, etc. that's what has been hurting the industry for many years.. but, the industry didnt bitch back then.. so, I think it's just whoever's the easier target, and all that is going to happen in light of this is that the mainstream music industry is going to go broke eventually, people will get wise and listen to IUMA and indie labels. you'll still have the brainwashed people who will back the industry to the grave, becuase they're used to being controlled by someone much "bigger" than them.. and really, you think about it, the industry is below us becuase their existance relies on us. same with actors and actresses, and all of the media. same with the government and all the major companies. we made them, and they forget, we can destroy them, they're trying to make so we cant now, but, you really cant whip the human will down into doing that, well, at least, not right away.
Have you ever tried downloading movies on kazaa. If you don't get a misnamed file, clipped file, or just have to wait several days to get the darn thing you are quite lucky, and I don't find that convenient.
Moreover, when I want to watch a movie, I want to watch it *now*. Not "in 3-5 days when the download is complete"
How is that any less convenient than going to the local rental store (and rental for about $3-5 is not completely unreasonable).
And you still have to look at the quality of the product as part of the package, after all, a product is not just about how slightly inconvenient it is for you to not obtain it illegally, it's about how much the actual product is worth to you to obtain.
As for online movies-by-demand... it's a coming thing, just like iTunes is starting to do for music. Bandwidth/etc considerations are that it may be an expensive venture initially though...
The (narrow) comparison was accidental deaths from guns to accidental deaths from drowning.
The broader point was that we don't ban everything just because it is unsafe.
"All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Don't forget the payola situation. Sure, it's technically illegal, but it is not actively enforced, so it might as well be legal and it has been routine for years. Just try to get an independent single played on a commercial radio station.
Also, it was PUBLICIZED around the 1983 timeframe that CDs were cheaper to manufacture, as I remember thinking "great, music will be more affordable now." Instead, they figured the "golden ears" would pay more for the supposedly higher quality media. Then, many of us bought CD copies of the LP's we used to have because we didn't want to have to maintain both types of playback equipment. Did we get a discount or trade-in value for our previous purchase? Of course not.
Now, I don't buy music at stores at all anymore, when I used to spend at least $100 a week on it for years. I don't P2P trade it either. There are plenty of good new artists out there that are ignored by the industry because they prefer to hype huge acts which is the music industry version of what other industries call ECONOMY OF SCALE, and consequently, most of what new stuff is out there hasn't been worth listening to. My 30 year x $100 week collection gives me plenty of old stuff to choose from, so it's not like I'm not able to listen to any music. But in the "biz" it's been about profits not music for so long that it's just a commodity market to control.
And they wonder why people are pissed at them. Gray Davis is wondering that too, but a fat lot of good it's gonna do any of them now-- the jig's up...
Here's something I don't get. There's probably alot of OSS designers on Slashdot, pretty much 80% of them (a guess) are pissed off at the RIAA/MPAA I don't get it. I like indie films. I'd like to watch more of them - preferably on my computer. But I haven't had a chance to hear about most of them. Why hasn't someone invented a P2P client for movies, like Furthernet, that only allows you to download authorized indie movies? I'm sure indie film makers will love the idea, and it provides a true alternative to the MPAA's whining while still being 99% liability proof. I'm lucky I live in a city which actually has a big collection of indie movies playing, Austin, but why can't someone with some coding skills just write a P2P client like Furthernet for movies? Hell, I bet you could even just take the Furthernet code and switch the authorized downloads around! -- Funksaw
I'm sure the RIAA/MPAA is not going to sit by on this sort of thing. I'm sure they'll reach a point where if countries do not have laws and enforcement in place to stop p2p, piracy, etc. to their liking, then they'll hit 'em right in the commerce by refusing to release movies in the countries that don't play by their rules.
Not that it's really going to do much, but I'm sure that the RIAA/MPAA are going to eventually go with the "I'll take my ball and go home" approach.
/*drunk.. fix later*/
It's worth noting that the US only supported Isreal in its current form after they had to stand on their own with nothing between them and annihilation.
:).
The arabs picked a fight, the palestinians have never been loved, and considering their attitudes, they're like angry tanned serbians, it's not hard to see why, if people want to start assigning blame, start with the UK end with the arabs, the US didn't mess any of that shit up, it was like that when we found it.
A reflection back through history teaches us a little conquest can be helpful, a homoginizing force that can actually bring people together.
Would modern china be what it was without the waring states period, and of course the mongol invasion? Hell no, there wouldn't be a chinese identity without it. They'd be all spread out in crazy little tribes that hate each other too. But thanks to their vicimization, and lets not leave out the colonial powers, they've got a billion people who might not love their system of government, but they can more or less be moved to action as one people.
Modern sensibilities aside, there's certainly a case to be made for writing off a couple of ethanicities that can't move out of some imagined feudal utopia, and into the world we live in. Serbians, angry camel jockies, crazy jungle living bitches from the southern philipines, our very own millitia groups at home, seemingly most of africa, I'm looking at you. Your clock is ticking, learn to play nice, or else
Sometimes people want to fight bad enough, that there is nothing you can do, but kill one, or just let them slug it out until one of them just doesn't have any fight left.
It certainly seems like that is the case with isreal, and her foes. And quite frankly the same goes for uncle Sam and his. In which case, Gengis Khan has much to teach us. You can try to kill everyone who hates you, or just doesn't agree with you, but that's hard. It's much easier to go where they live and obliterate everything they know and love. Soon, no one will want to risk fighting you, but cause they'll have to risk and probably loose everything for a victory that won't even be symbolic because no one will remember it. It's no coincidence that the mongols ruled over both russia and china providing them with a national identity, and forging them into the superpowers they are today.
Likewise, holding back for both the US and isreal only purpetuates the fighting, and just insures another generation will grow up, poor, a drift, hurting and hating.
Overall "Can't we all just get along?" soundsly like a reasonable question, and perhaps we could all agree it's a great sentiment, but the world just doesn't run on hugs. (Mostly greed and ignorance from what I can gather.) We're all bound by the limitations we face, not the ones we wished we faced.
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Once the industry tracking organizations demonstrate that the money spent on entertainment has simply shifted to organizations not involved with the *AA organizations, it's all over.
No more piracy as an excuse, and a bunch of companies we don't like will be forced to find new business models or die under new management or in the case of the record companies, new owners.
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Among them: Gypsies, Farsis, Ba'hai, Cossacks, Burakumin, etc., etc. So why is it that we only ever get to hear about the trials and tribulations of the Jews? I for one would like to watch one, count 'em, one news broadcast that wasn't all-Israel, all-the-time. You'd think they could talk about the Chechens or poor Kashmiris just once in a while out of sheer boredom with the subject of Israel and Jews/Palestinians.
So why is it that we are always bombarded with Israel? Is it because they're a major oil-producing nation? uh, no. Is it because they possess some natural resource that is of vital importance to the strategic security of the United States? uh, no. Is it because they are a major trading partner? uh, no. Is it because they are strategically important to the U.S. military, as in major American bases are there? uh, no. Is it because Israel is an incredibly populous country? uh, no. fewer people than the greater Cleveland metro area, actually. Is it because they're an extremely powerful country? uh, no. never have been, never will be. Is it because they're an embattled democracy? Well, gee, so is Columbia. So is India. BFD. We don't get to watch anything about them in the news though, do we? In short, there is no good reason why the entire populace of the world's only superpower should be plagued with incessant whining about a country that most people couldn't care less about.
I recognize that all 1.5 million Jews in this country might care very intensely about Israel. Fine, go obsess on your own time. The other 250 million plus of us just wish you'd shut the hell up.
Then why are people willing to pay $1 per song on iTunes?
Not that I disagree with you. I believe CD's are way over-priced from a cost to produce standpoint. What I think you may be forgetting is the supply & demand factor. Obviously, there are still too many people willing to buy from the ??AA cartels - hence the current price.
Personally, I do all my CD shopping at cdbaby. Prices are fair, I can listen to samples before I buy, and all the money I pay, (except for $4), goes directly to the (independent) artist. If more people did this, it would go a long way toward resolving this issue.
Just my 40% of a nickel...
"A revolution without dancing is... a revolution not worth having"
I've used the Hi-Net streaming recorder several times and have had not problems recording the streaming video. It recorded in real time and played back fine using Windows media player.
BTW the servers hosting the streaming movies are located on an island in the South Pacific. (per the ES5 forum)
Software programs have demos. Cars have test drives. Even video games (consoles) have store displays. All these allow a consumer to 'try before you buy'. Music can be heard on the radio or in the store (but has other issues, such as a lack of selecting particul tracks from an album).
Point is, movies don't have 'free trials.' Some might argue previews, but that is such a condensed version and has very little meaning.
I do read reviews, but on at least a few occaisions I disagree with the review(s). While I take these into consideration, I prefer to form my own opinions based on first hand experience. Just because "everyone" says "it's bad" doesn't mean you won't like it.
Goes with the old saying "if your friends were jumping off a bridge, would you do it too?"
[source: http://www.sustaincampaign.org/Ethniccleansingchro nology.pdf ]
1947:
European Powers divide Palestine into Jewish and Arab states giving over half the land, and control of
major resources to the minority Jewish population (roughly 1/3) which owned only 7% of the land.
Fighting breaks out as Palestinian population rejects this division.
1948:
Arab States join war in support of Palestinian population. Israel occupies nearly 80% of Palestine,
over 750,000 Palestinians are driven from homes and not allowed to return.
1967:
Israel conquers remaining 22% of Palestine, and places West Bank and Gaza under military
occupation. UN declares that Israel should withdraw to pre-67 borders, allow repatriation of
Palestinian refugees, and that all appropriation of lands conquered in war are illegal.
1967 - 1993:
Arbitrary imprisonment, beating, torture, house demolition, appropriation of Palestinian land in
occupied territories for settlers, economic subordination, and arbitrary searches become commonplace
elements of life in occupied Palestine. 116,300 "settlers" move into the West Bank and Gaza in
violation of international law. (The 4th Geneva convention Article 49 states that the "Occupying Power
shall not transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.")
(The other advantage of this tactic is that even if it doesn't change the RIAA's minds, you've got the music you wanted for free).
your sig about Randi is dead on, he avoids people with real proof of the otherworldly like a plague
True - because you have no choice but to avoid people who don't exist. It's kind of hard to make contact with them.
Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.
Styles of new music the RIAA put out and actively promoted during the 80's:
Styles of new music the RIAA is putting out and actively promoting today:
That is the reason people aren't buying as much from the RIAA as they used to. The variety is gone.
Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.
First, the *AA organizations aren't trying to protect themselves, they're protecting the people who decide whether or not to pay them membership dues. The CEOs at the *AA companies are shoveling the same crap upstairs to the CEOs at the multinationals that own them. The *AA company CEOs are expected to generate more revenue every year despite the shape the economy is in and the business problems you correctly cite. At the moment, they can blame PIRATES!!! for their problems. In short, no matter what people do, or do not, buy, the likes of the MPAA and the RIAA will merely blame-shift so they don't have to accept responsibility for their own [NAUGHTY]-ups.
If people buy enough new music from independent artists and *AA label content from used record stores, industry sales tracking will pick up on this, and industry and mainstream press will tell everybody what really happened to CD and DVD sales.
You want to ratfuck the *AA companies? Simply spend just as much as you usually do on entertainment, but spend it on independent musicians and new video artists who are selling direct-to-DVD and if you must buy *AA, buy it from used record stores which will not show up in *AA sales numbers.
If indie sales go up and *AA sales go into the toilet, it will be noticed. By both politicians and the *AA label/record company owners.
The result will be at minimum, new management and in most cases, new owners for content cartel companies who believe they know how to make money in a real non-monopoly world and know how to use the Net for marketing, not cringe in fear of it.
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Allowing women to vote is a given, I just dont agree with where it was placed..
If it was needed to be put into law, thats ok ( though it should have been transparent enough from day one to not even be an issue ), but as a constitutional amendment? Nah..
---- Booth was a patriot ----
The people that wrote the amendment intended the bill of rights to be FOR people, and to RESTRICT government.
Thats why it was called the bill of rights. Not the bill of rules.. Its all about the rights of the people.
Anyone that disagrees with that, is wrong. Plain and simple, and should be totally disregarded.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Thats my solution, I'll never buy a new CD again, I'll only buy used CDs.
You can boycott and still get music from the idiots who refuse to boycott, this means less sales from the RIAA, so do it, the guys who resell their CDs already made a copy on CD-R and once you make your copy you can resell the CD too.
Lets treat CDs like we treat expensive books.
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This guy has got to figure out the difference between an "injunction", a "subpoena", and a "summons". A "subpoena" is a demand for information or records. A "summons" is a demand to appear. And an "injunction" is a court order not to do something.
He only talks about having received a "subpoena". But he seems to indicate that he's been required to appear in Federal court (about some unknown matter). And he also seems to think he's been forbidden to use the Internet (which seems highly unlikely; even the RIAA doesn't own enough courts to get an injunction against someone's use of the Internet, _ex parte_)
Hopefully we'll see more information on this. In any case, if this guy has received any of those things, he needs a lawyer.
Ok it's a very shallow story, but Jim Carrey in that role fit him perfect. I'm normally not a big fan of him, usually I go "oh come *on*" when he gets too wacky. But in this role he kept me laughing all through the movie. Sure, it wasn't the great Experience like LotR but it was an entertaining couple of hours.
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
I feel morally obligated to use P2P instead of BUYING music. You see, when you buy music, the money goes to musicians. The musicians buy drugs with the money. That drug money goes to the drug cartels who fund terrorisim. I say FIGHT TERRORISM! Download music for free! http://www.cafeshops.com/fightterrorism
(continued from previous -- I'm long-winded today)
:)
The above burrito examples are, respectively, "nobody has guns", "some have guns, but they're concealed", "some have guns, and they're visible", and "everybody has guns, highly-motivated vs. opportunistic". Thanks for suggesting the burrito comparison; it was enjoyable to write.
The positions as the Shadows is still being fought over by both MPAA and RIAA. And who's taking the role as the mysterious Vorlons?
But, as long as you can gurantee me that they will both diappear beyond the rim in the end, I'm happy. (Btw, I hate using the word 'rim' in a reply to a post containing the word 'p0rn', I'm sure someone with a pervy mind would make something of it...)
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
Several companies have laid fibre there. The West Bank and Gaza has around 8 ISP's.
Hi guys,
How did he see the hook into his keyboard for keylogging? Should winblows stop that/inform you before it happens?
Thanks,
HH
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renting != buying
Maybe then they should start all their press releases with "Incoming message from The Big Giant Head!"
It really works especially if he's gonna keep saying cool stuff like "The next revolution in P2P file sharing is upon you. Resistance is futile and we are now in control".
Introducing the new Occam Fusion! Now with sqrt(-1) fewer blades!
KEYLOGGER - This allows us to transcribe everything you type on your keyboard. Any instant messages, emails, or search terms you type, we can see. This helps to make it easier to extort and blackmail you. If you install on a corporate machine even better, we can gain very valuable information.
"BONUS" DLLS - We install random dll's that run even when the software is not running. This does a variety of great things! Your computer can even turn into a mail server, without you even noticing!
UNINSTALL BLOCKER - Don't we all hate uninstallers than can REMOVE and DELETE any programs you want to remove. Our special software cannot be uninstalled! This protects you from the MPAA.
D.R.M. software - We don't even know what this does!
John Susek
When I clicked on ES5 and EarthStation 5, I was told that I could not connect because the servers do not exist.
What he said is validated by history. "Palestine" had always referred to Israel. Classic usage of the term "Palestinian" was synonomous with "Jew." Go read some old newspapers or books. At first, Arabs were extremely offended when called Palestinians, because that was a name for Jews.
What they're called is irrelevant. The fact remains that Isreal was created without any reguard for the people who were already living there, and a whole group of people were made second class citizens and forced into refugee camps. Now before you bring up the fact that other countries like Jordan were also carved from the Ottoman Empire, at least the people in Jordan have their own country.
first off, i do not like being referred to in the same paragraph as a "holy war" p2p group which i know nothing about. it totally gets off topic of the current issue, namely civil liberties that no longer exist in the United States (no one has replied to any of my urgings in this page, for instance!)
secondly, i had plenty of contact info and should have been contacted before this was published.
thirdly, as very much stated by teh page the author of this story published, xmule.org was at 90% bandwidth consumption BEFORE Being slashdotted!!! NOW MY SITE IS DEAD! Apparently the glorious admins panicked and rm -r'd the thing. it is gone.
fourthly, because of the slashdotting, i overexceeded the monthly bandwidth allotment by 5 GB (in 12 hours!), which costs me money personally. Thirdly i have very few options left in hosting xmule, thanks to some asshole who linked me w/ a terrorist organization and slashdotted my site while the link that he posted said i was at 90% bandwidth consumption already.
Thanks guys. Very little civil liberty discussion has come off this (nothing constructive save my 0-replies posts!!) you just add to my financial burdens, remove the right to access from our userbase, etc.
Haven't you guys ever heard of editors aka guys who verify stories are fit print?! With my phone number plastered over the page you linked to directly, do you not think it is wise to call first and ask for permission??
You did more harm to xmule than the gov'ment!
Un-Thesis
Promote freedom; fight fascism.
That depends on the content of the MP3s, not the MP3s themselves. The MP3 format is not illegal, nor is spreading copyrighted music. Only if the copyright owner, who is not necessarily the creator, of that particular work prohibits the dissemination, is it a problem. Even then, it's a behavioral problem.
Just sour grapes from MPAA/RIAA for realizing that not only did they miss the boat, but that they've outlived their both their profitability and usefulness.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
The subject line says "I'm a big fat TROLL!" and you still bite? Amazing! It's people like you who make trolling Slashdot worthwhile!
Hell. You're right, missed that one. I'll be more careful next time.
"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
The offices of the developers of Earthstation 5 were destroyed today by the Israeli army. Ariel Sharon, PM of Israel applauded the destruction saying they were harbouring terrorists. The intellegence was provided by Hilary Rosen an analyst in the US government.
-- Karma Karma Karma Karma, Karma Chameleon - Boy George
More people are killed via rocks and sticks each year then guns held by private citizens in the US. ( or car accidents, or drowning in public pools, or MANY MANY other causes.). gun violence initiated by legally licensed citizens is not even on the map...
You also don't account for the crime PREVENTED by that same group of people. Of course in doing that you would just have made your viewpoint totally meaningless.
Germany, ya right, that's a REAL good example of what happens when you have a restrictive government. The people cant defend themselves and you get Hitler..
Please.. give me a f-ing break.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Private gun ownership was part of how this country was able to fend off the British oppressors.. It was how we fed oursleves and protected our land and family...
Its been part of my country since day one. It was a common right mandated to be protected in our constitution since the day we officially were independent..
Unless you mean the rest of the world, where they cant protect themselves and keep asking us for help...
Perhaps in that context its strange, but not here. where we have something called freedom..
And come around my neck of the woods sometime, its not strange here, its rather common. Its just a part of life: Americans exercising their rights and freedoms. ( and fighting to protect them when needed ) Nothing strange about that.
Gun ownership is just one of many rights we exersize here that are under attack. Please dont think im only defending ONE part of our way of life.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
The other thing to realize is that this guy is based out of Palestine - as such, his rhetoric is probably a LOT more reserved than the stuff he is hearing from Hammas and other militant groups on a daily basis. It is also probably reasonable to assume that the anti-Israel propaganda that he hears and reads constantly influenced his writing style. He was probably also going for maximum PR exposure (it seems to have worked) - I just think that he has bitten off more than he can chew.
Ever hear of Saddam? Don't give me the excuse that it cant happen today. It can happen to any populace that cant defend itself, or is not diligent.
As far as 'only for killing people': Ever hear of hunting animals? *Everything* has dual uses. Its HOW you use them that is the issue, not the object. A gun is no more harmful then a Lexus, in the hands of a responsible person.
If you speak of defense, i agree the goal IS to kill, nothing less.. And there is nothing wrong with that, either legally or morally.
This is also true for speech, which in my country we consider it a right to have. It can be used for good or bad. That des not mean it should be banned because it COULD be used improperly.. However, that very thing is occurring today, and I'm one of those who are standing up and fighting against it.
I cant help it that you are a member of the sheep, and want their government to take care o them, that is your choice. However in MY country, we have chosen to exercise the *right* of being independent, which includes the right of being able to protect oneself.
I never said you had to own a gun, only tat you have ZERO right to tell me I cant have mine.
As far as relating Bush to this discussion, lets not go there as it would be fruitless an did believe was only to incite an argument.. While I don't agree with all his polices, I do agree with his actions in general... so your statement wont et much traction with me.
( and we are WAY OT here.. no one is listening but us at this point.. )
---- Booth was a patriot ----
America has never been America, either. And England was never english - it's celtic.
Quit using ancient history to try to justify current actions. It's really pathetic.
Kinda hard to hide spyware in open-source software, isnt' it?
And, yes, I know some of the protocols used by mldonkey are not open-source. There are reasons for this, too.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
CD's now cost about 1/10th as much to press as records cost at their cheapest
Cost "to press" refers only to replication. Have the costs of writing the songs, recording the songs, distributing the records to major chain stores, oromotion on MTV including production of music videos, and so-called "independent" promotion on Clear Channel radio declined in parallel?
CD's STILL cost almost 20 bucks apiece.
1. Most of the price of the CD doesn't lie in replication. 2. Many CD albums are much longer than vinyl albums were. 3. The general cost of labor has increased.
After inflation, CDs are actually just as cheap as vinyl ever was.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Most of the first-generation RAF-terrorist hid in the former German Democratic Republic ("DDR").
If the terrorists are hiding next to DDR machines, I guess I better stay out of the arcade.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Tough luck. Dump the cable and get a DSL line instead.
Most people can't afford DSL's $200,000 installation fee, which includes the cost of moving the family to an area within 3.5km of the telco's switch.
Will I retire or break 10K?
"I see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forces
I eat no breath-mints 'cause their from de-hoofed horses
Now I can't believe; what an absolute failure
The president's laughing 'cause we voted for Nader"
-NOFX, "Franco Un-American"
Zoot!
This comment is really amazing. By that theory, the USA better pack it in. After all, this land was claimed by the various native tribes long before some english settlers landed here. The Jewish tribes took Israel from the previous owners. Where again is the historical proof of right to the land?
I never said this. I merely said that my money is going towards alternative purchases which simply will not benefit either of the **AA orgs.
This was addressed to the part of the slashdot community that does want to ratfuck the *AA member organizations.
I'm one of those people. I regard the *AA member organizations as a bunch of parasitic "rent-seekers", I think that they are bad for the music community and high-tech industry and users, and they are going to become bad for independent film makers. I also believe that they are bad for the consumer, and that the drop off in sales is largely due to the consumer population realizing this, even if not at a conscious level.
I think the world as a whole will be better off for their self-destruction, and that our civic duty is to give them a push towards the cliff whenever possible.
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Is it possible to buy a "I HATE RIAA/MPAA" T-shirt somewhere?
Now imagine that there are 60,000 people doing the exact same thing that you are. The situation changes slightly.
True enough, but 60,000 folks small arms are still not enough to beat the US armed forces (see: Iraq). For such a revolt to be successful it would need huge popular support, millions of people rather than thousands. And at that point probably you'd have portions of the army going over to your side etc.
Further to that, if your popular support doesn't extend to a majority of citizens, then there's a strong case that your revolt lacks a popular mandate. Overthrowing the government with majority support is liberation, doing so without is little more than a coup.
Unless you have majority support, I can't see a situation in which the public having small arms promotes freedom. And if you do have true majority support, you probably won't need the small arms as you'll have regular forces.
I think the right to bear arms is well-intentioned, but just hasn't scaled properly to the present day, and is doing more harm than good at the moment.
Vino, gyno, and techno -Bruce Sterling
I checked out CDBaby.com, but I was rather dissapointed with the file format they use. Because I'm currently boycotting RealAudio(they went over the line with their advertisment policies), the feature I would find most useful is inaccessable.
OH NOES!!! IT APPEARS YUO DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FOR DIS HERE PIZZA! WAHT EVER ARE YOU GOING TO DO!?!?