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Quake and Tsunami Devastate South Asia
pfb writes "From reuters, 'The world's fifth-largest quake in a century has hit southern Asia, triggering a speeding tsunami that crashed into Sri Lanka and India, drowning hundreds, and swamping tourist islands in Thailand and the Maldives.'"
In south korea, tsunamis are only for old people
Doesn't Arthur C. Clarke live in Sri Lanka? Didn't find much Googling quickly...
CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
Wow this is pretty major. Unpredictable or overlooked? At any rate I ghope they're ok.
"To be is to do." -Socrates
"To do is to be." -Jean-Paul Sartre
"Do-be-do-be-do." -Frank Sinatra
...set off by the 8.9 magnitude earthquake...
Windows in JAKARTA, Indonesia, were rattling, and some even broke. And that is a 2-3 hour flight away from the epicenter!
Tsunamis are notoriously difficult to detect, as they remain underwater until approaching the shore; also, the wavelength is in the order of kilometers, so it's very hard to track. However, I'm surprised earthquake detectors could were not used to evacuate people along the coast. A devastating loss of life is the result of such incompetence/inability.
A blog like any other.
I don't remember exactly where A.C. Clarke is living, but it was at Sri Lanka - and in those videos I've seen, he's always walking on the beach.
Makes me wonder if the old guy is still around.
'The world's fifth-largest quake in a century has hit southern Asia, triggering a speeding tsunami that crashed into Sri Lanka and India, drowning hundreds, and swamping tourist islands in Thailand and the Maldives.'
Yes, but does it run Linux?
Or did I click cnn.com?
Blessed be he who reads this post, Cursed be he who tells my boss.
..they're like, "its better than yours."
The quake was centered in Summara, an island in Indonesia. I bet that they got the brunt of this thing, so their loss should warrant mention too, I think.
What's more, I hope that we in the first world waste no time getting aid over there. A lot of those countries lack the resources to deal with a tragedy on this scale.
I keep a list of earthquake related resources.
http://virtuelvis.com/
At first glance, I thought this was about some new video game release!
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Yeah my brother and wife (John and Brigette) are currently in Thailand and were planning to dive today... unfortunatly I have no idea where in Thailand they are....
He hasn't cotacted me yet, but even if he wanted to I doubt he could.
Fingers crossed!
p.s. The British Foreign office have set up an emergency help line: 0207 008 0000, I havn't been able to get through yet, its really busy.
Can you just imagine what kind of damage would be caused by Unreal Tournament?
... is whot bwings os tugevza tsuzay.
Did anyone else here think that the article was going to be about the game quake?!
(A friend in Madras mentioned the quake as soon as he felt it; I've since seen the estimates go from 650 dead to 1500, 3000, 4500, 6300, and now 7000.)
Village idiot in some extremely smart villages.
After all it is only thousands of "little brown people".Not Princess Diana or anybody important.
The real story is hoe BUSH stole the election in Ohio through electronic voting fraud and that Kerry is the real President!
Geeks who were online found out about it pretty quickly. I heard about it on Fark. :P People in fishing villages and vacation sites my have missed the info, to their peril.
If you need a tech discussion, here's one, "How can you get the info to the people who needed it?"
Once the earthquake hit with a sea floor epicenter, everyone with a web browser knew a tsunami was going to hit somewhere. Again, no way to tell the people who needed the information. Seemed like the only thing we could do was just wait for news of further death.
Fark picked this up and it has already become a blame America flame fest ~ how long until the same here on Slashdot. Come on, surely someone can tell me how this is America's fault?
Does anyone have links to videos of the event?
Tried Reuters, but there's not much to see.
Area51 - We are watching...
Actually only the preceeding earthquake is unpredictable. When you know where the epicenter of the earthquake is and the topography and makeup of the ocean floor, you can see where the resulting tsunamis (if any are created) will hit hardest.
Unfortunately, you don't have much time between the quake and the tsunami hitting. I hear if Canary Island (The one ready to fall into the sea and wipe out the east coast) would cause a tsunami that could travel across the Atlantic Ocean in 45 minutes, and I read on the BBC that this most recent tsunami was going 2,000km/h, which seems to be roughly the same speed. Mind boggling though.
Also hurting any warning effort is how do you get a mass warning out to places like Sri Lanka? There's no mass media infrastructure and only the minimum of transport infrastructure. I suppose part of this tragedy is how unavoidable it was in these nations' current states. Only Japan has invested any significant amount of money in Tsunami warning systems.
Yup...
What kind of time delay are we talking about between when the earthquake strikes and when the tsunami forms/hits the coast? I always imagined it was something very short, somewhere near a few minutes.
What could be done in that short amount of time, exactly?
Surf's Up!
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That's pretty tasteless really, this is a major disaster and people have died.
Pay some attention to the real world.
# cat
Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
It seems that a displacement in the sea bottom ocurred, moving 10-30 metres up along a rupture of 1000 km, causing a wave of hundreds of cubic kilometres of ocean water.
True confidence comes not from realising you are as good as your peers, but that your peers are as bad as you are.
In Hawaii, they have a system of warning sirens along the coast to warn people of tsunamis. Such a system ought to be more widely deployed in earthquake-prone regions.
this is Usama's doing, you KNOW IT. Get with the program you lazy pink commie liberals.
But it is yours, you stupid fuck
You can find the latest news at http://news.google.co.in (The Indian Version of Google News )
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libs would be popping champagne bottles and passing out cigars like they did on 9/11
Quake devastated my social life my first year of college.
Finkployd
I wonder how the call centers will be on Monday morning? Yeah, I'm working... My CAD package is supported out of India.
I suppose they'll find a way to call this a "martyrdom operation of 10,000 fishermen and villagers".
More on Tsunami at Wikipedia
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I'm thinking of keeping things relatively cheap, yet as functional as possible.
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"Ours was a free culture. It is becoming much less so."-Lawrence Lessig
Of course, this all happening at full moon will probably fuel the people who study whether the gravitational pull of the sun and moon impacts the occurrence of earthquakes like it does tides.
Village idiot in some extremely smart villages.
no doubt.
Can anyone put some kind of comparision between the energy release here and the energy release of the prospective planet impactor 2004MN4 ? It would help to put things into scale, if not perspective.
If MN4 were to hit, estimated release is 450-2000 MT of TNT, so how does a Richter 8.9 compare.
Steve
America is blamed for a lot of things because if you did a little research into things you would find that your beloved country is responsible for a hell of a lot of suffering in the world. This obviously isn't one of them, of course. What I'm saying is, America -is- responsible for a lot of evil stuff that happens in the world, either directly or though one of the dictators it installed/supported.
Thats why US is the worlds most hated country, and why you get blamed for shit all the time.
You voted from Bush right? pbb..
--SD
"Computers will never truly be free until the last windows user is strangled with the entrails of the last mac user."
I'm on an island right next to Sumatra (relatively), and there were huge tsunami's hitting us too. The last I heard 15 people died in the floods. It's not as bad as what people in Sri Lanka and India experienced, but still...
My mom felt the quake at around 9, I didn't notice anything though. I'm very thankful Malaysia is relatively safe from quakes, but I feel so sorry for all who were affected.
"Backups are for wimps. Real men upload their data to an FTP site and have everyone else mirror it." -- Linus Torvalds
...between this earthquake and the possible energy released if that asteroid discovered a few days ago actually hits the earth? It would give some basis of comparison between such events.
I live quiet close to the shore in Besant Nagar- we got off easy - but it was awesome (not as in exciting but leave your mouth open gaping awesome) to see the sea swell up and eat up the shoreline. I was just driving past and saw a boat go up and down about 20-30 feet from the road!! I parked the car, grabbed the camera - but by then the sea had receded - but that was enough to cause serious damage to the hutments close to the sea. We had mild tremor to start the day - barely noticeable at around 6.30 AM - i looked up the internet and found Tibet post of USGS registering a 8.9 quake at Sumatra -looking at the map I thought to myself - all thats in the line between Sumatra and Chennai is the sea (and of course teeny weeny Andaman). Went out for Breakfast and on my return - this. Its unforgettable and cannot be described. Most of India's coast is devastated - I hear Sri Lanka, Maldives etc are pretty bad too. The Quake here was nothing - a mild shake at best - but the Tsunami that followed was something else Apologies for the verbose post - but I am struggling for words to tell what happened.
that we'll get some jobs back in the good ol' USA? That'll teach 'em to offshore...
...These quakes don't continue. We had a 8.3 down south of Taz (Australia) a few days ago and it is on the same plate. Got me slightly worried that there will be another bigger one. If not this post will probably be funny in a day or so.
I ate your fish.
You can watch live Indian News at http://www.ddinews.com. I hope they can handle the Slashdot effect :(
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BUT I ASKED FOR 5000 DEAD SLANT EYED MUSLIMS!
Ho Ho Ho! Merry Christmas!
four hundred trillion tons of luggage, mostly candybars and teddy bears, was dumped in the indian ocean today as Delta had a computer malfuncion that rerouted all flights to the region.
the FAA is looking into the matter of the lost teddybears.
Does it bother you to be so concerned with plugging your site that you shamelessly do it even in the wake of this severe human tragedy?
But, hey, if it gets you some more hits on your site, then I guess that's ok for you.
Let's hope your servers don't get flooded.
My site has been following this story since I first felt the temor in Bangkok this morning: http://2bangkok.com/quakes.shtml#quake
I heard about it late last night on a net radio feed (my time EST 0 dark thirty am sometime, I was half asleep) right after it happened, but a tsunami wave travelling roughly the speed of a commercial jetliner doesn't give a lot of leeway even if the people in the soon to be affected areas hear about it.
And this one follows that 8. something quake that hit between tasmania and antarctica just the other day.
I think this story should be taken into consideration along with the asteroid stories, as this wave was only roughly 40-50 feet high, yet by some reports it traveled up to half a mile inland in some places. Just imagine one ten times higher (something like that) from a large asteroid oceanic strike.
But ya, you would think that their would be some sort of emergency alert tied to seismographs, that would automatically get posted to various radio and television and internet sources if it was of sufficient strength, ie, danger. I know we have this alleged emergency alert system in the US that will over ride the TV and radio stations OTA broadcasts, but no idea in other nations what they have for that. Civil defense is always lesser funded than military offense in most nations it appears. What would it really cost to develop a radio based alert system for these various nations? Cost of one jet fighter or tank? And it could be tied to cellphones for that matter through the various national carriers, say, in a true natural disaster (impending or otherwise) scenario, your phone might ring with a pre recorded short message.
I realise in the poorer areas it might be problematic, but surely someone in most areas has a phone or a radio or whatever, you don't have to get the message to every single human directly, just to enough of them in any given area for word of mouth to help out a lot. Wake up and alert one dude per poor village, he can go running outside yelling his head off for that matter, like "dang evac! Tsunami coming! Move it people!" something like that anyway. The old church bells ringing hard and fast deal.
And if that number isn't big enough, they're saying a million people displaced from their homes.
Village idiot in some extremely smart villages.
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
See my journal, I write things there
more people will be killed by cigarettes today than by the wave.
"It's so convenient to have a system where everyone is a criminal" - A. Hitler
troll...
the NYTimes even said it disturbed the rotation of the earth.
You sound like a sick person who needs to be cared for in a mental hospital.
If you really believe in God, then you should know that God loves everyone.
don't be so sick.
Please, it pains the rest of us to deal with your diseased consciousness.
I live in Chennai(Madras),(Capital City of the State Tamil Nadu - the region worst affected by the Tsunami in India ). For us, this is the first time ever something like a Tsunami hits our coast. The earthquake itself was not deadly but the tides alone were responsible for the death of more than 1000 people according to some reports. Since this happened early in the morning and the day being a sunday, not many people were awake at that time. In my city alone almost 100 poor fishermen who live in the huts along the seashore were washed away. Coastal regions in the Southern parts of my state where even more affected - a lot many were drowned in the flash floods. The fact that I was sleeping unaware of the whole thing at that time, less than a kilometre away from the sea, sends a shiver down my spine.
You can find some pictures here.
According to what I'm seeing on Fox News Channel, the death toll may well exceed 10,000 by a substantial margin because many parts of India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Indonesia have yet to report.
I am concerned about the US military base on Diego Garcia, since it's pretty much open ocean in a straight line from the island to the earthquake epicenter. =(
Can anybody find any info or posts about Ao Nang in the Krabi province of Thailand? I Googled, but could not find anything. My wife and I were just there a couple of weeks ago before heading back to the states. Pretty scary when you realize that it could have been you or your loved one washed out to sea.
The sources are in french my native language but any translation tool should do the job for you.
Last estimate were at 7000 and still counting, a village in Sri Lanka is totally destroyed, hotel and houses were seen floating atop waves crashing in the land repetitively. This is one of the worst catasrtophy we have seen in several decades.
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Our public television network take on it
Earth is getting even, everymonth the amount of such catastrophy happens more and more, earth will win, it always has, we fucked it up, its not happy, if needed it will wipe all of us off of its face, sry for what seems like a religious belief it is not, it is mere observation.
Does it show the same stories over and over and over again?
Are the adverts intrusive and increasing?
You may wish to reconsider your statement.
At the bottom of the
I've heard no word in the news about Arthur C. Clark. While thousands are dead, he likely has a sturdy structure to live in, and it would be unlikely statistically he perished. Has as been posted though, he lives on the coast so really stating any odds would be hard. I hope he is alive, but only to the extent I wish anyone life and happiness. He has lived a full life, and should he be gone our concern should be with the living. Ironically should he have perished, it would probably inspire more aid for those left alive.
Hopefully the now approximately 6000 estimate wont climb much higher, but if the past is any guide expect this to grow at least past 20,000.
BTW is it just me, or does it seem in poor taste for News outlets like FOX and CNN to focus on possible American casualties when these kind of natural disasters happen? I can understand this in the case of Attacks and Bombings, since Americans could be the targets. But with thousands dead, the news agencies are scrambling to find out if one or two Americans snuffed it.
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What is interesting is that there was another quake on the 24th of 8.1 off the coast of Tasmania, the other side of the continential plate that caused this one ( AFAIK). That end of the plate gave way and that affected this one? A warning? I don't know, but it might have been related.
Massive earthquake felt in Tasmania
December 24, 2004 - 7:55AM
The world's biggest earthquake in almost four years has struck 800 km
off the coast of Tasmania, Australian seismological officials said.
Geoscience Australia said the quake, measuring 8.1 on the Richter Scale
hit the Macquarie Rise, in the Pacific Ocean, at 1.59am. [...]
It's a Bagel.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.prophecies .nostradamus/msg/99de7ac658525a4c/
Here is some link to one interesting post.
I support Newcastle United you insensitive clod!
If X is the new Y, and Y is "X is the new Y", solve for X.
This is an astounding loss of life, and a healthy fraction of the posts are just evil. If this is what slashdot has come to, prejudice, intolerance and ill-will for those that have suffered, I'm outta here. These are your brethren. Mothers and fathers, sisters and brothers, uncles and aunts that have been hit by an unannounced, unpreventable, and unknowable tragedy. I'm appalled.
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Quake and Tsunami Devastate South Asia
I thought for a second that Tsunami was another video game and that all the young people of South Asia had become horribly addicted, thereby forcing the local economies to collapse...
Am I the only one who finds these death countings insensitive and dastardly? It sounds like you folks are keeping score in some video game, 7000, 8500, 11500! Yeah High score! ... Let's just say thousands have died and millions affected and get to the task of fixing things up again.
And no, I don't buy that "every life counts" BS. Of course every life counts, whether it's the first one affected by this or the last. But IMO, this running total has quite the opposite effect, it dehumanizes the event into a mere sensationalized news item.
I'm curious as to why a similar magnitude earthquake, also in the ocean, occurring off the coast of Australia shortly before this earthquake didn't cause a tsunami as well?
News about this earthquake here: http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11 778537%255E3462,00.html
Not that I'm complaining, mind you, but I'm curious as to what the differentiating factor is between these two earthquakes which means one creates a tsunami and the other doesn't.
Indeed, the last tsunami we had was in 1977, which came with a cyclone; my grandpa was involved in some heroics [which he loves to narrate whenever we go to his place in rural India ;-) ]. I don't know if this is how it is in, say, Hawaii or someplace, but the morning that tsunami hit the coast, everyone apparently went to work normally. It was only by 10AM or so that word spread that the sea was coming in (to use a vernacular phrase for 'tidal wave') and by then, all they could do was to climb onto rooftops and wait for the waters to recede.
More than mere navel gazing.
I send my regards and sympathies to your people. Lets pray for a quick recuperation of the area. Its good to read from fellow slashdotters that survived this catastrophe.
Cheers,
Adolfo
The quake was so powerful the shockwaves circled the planet.
"All the planet is vibrating" from the quake, said Enzo Boschi, the head of Italy's National Geophysics Institute. Speaking on SKY TG24 TV, Boschi said the quake even disturbed the Earth's rotation."
Source
Letter To Iran
i am from one of the places where the earthquake has reportedly hit. however, i guess it was too mild 'coz we didn't feel a thing here... thanl God.
Just a reminder that humans aren't the only victims here. In natural disasters such as this one, the most helpless victims are overlooked. My personal favorite charity is the Save the Tiger Fund, or find one for yourself to help support.
I heard about it right away. some one mentioned it in IRC. freenode #linux
Why it is good to start with high estimate: Gets world wide resources. Sets how many people, and how much in the way of funds will be on their way for aid.
Why it is good to start with low estimate: (normally a bad idea), may keep moral up in areas that don't see how bad things are.
Ryan
I find it very distasteful.
Should I stop telling you what a publicity monger you are just because I call you on your shamelessness?
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsww/Quakes/quak es_big.html
Lots of information on global earthquakes. Looks like lots of strong after shocks in the region.
putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
Well, I guess this is mother nature's answer to outsourcing... Seriously though, this was really bad timing. There were probably tons of people in beach resorts who were on holiday.
Once the earthquake hit with a sea floor epicenter, everyone with a web browser knew a tsunami was going to hit somewhere.
Are you sure? Because I read somewhere that only vertical movement in the ocean causes tsunamis, that not all quakes in the ocean cause tsunamis. But, not sure about this...
Nature's way of population thining - safe AND effective.
"Why Does This Always Happen To Me?"
"Weird Al" Yankovic
I was watching my TV one night when they broke in with a special report
About some devastating earthquake in Peru.
There were thirty thousand crushed to death, even more were buried alive
On the Richter scale, it measured 8.2.
And I said...
"God, please answer me one question?"
"Why'd they have to interrupt 'The Simpsons' just for this?"
What a drag!
'cause I was taping it and everything
And now I'll have to wait for the rerun to see the part of the show I missed
Why does this always happen?
Why does this always happen to me?
Why does this always happen?
Why does this always happen to me?
La la la la la
I was driving down the highway when all the traffic slowed to a crawl
There was a twelve-car pile-up, everybody dead
And I saw brains and guts and vital organs splattered everywhere
As well as my friend Robert's disembodied head
And I thought - Poor Rob, I just had lunch with him
Hey, wait a minute, he still owes me money - what a jerk!
Well, there's five bucks
that I'm never gonna see again
Plus now, on top of everything else, it looks like I'm gonna be late to work
Why does this always happen?
Why does this always happen to me?
Why does this always happen?
Why does this always happen to me?
La la la la la, la la la la la
Oh, the other day, my boss said we were running low on toner
And he told me I should buy another case
Well, I told him I was busy, but he still just kept on asking
So, I turned around and stabbed him in the face (right in the face)
Oh, and wouldn't you know it, my knife got stuck
I guess that's probably bound to happen now and then
But I'm afraid I may have bent the tip a little
And I know that blade will never ever be quite as sharp again (quite as sharp again)
Oh, tell me
Why does this always happen?
Why does this always happen to me?
Why does this always happen?
Why does this always happen to me?
I've never understood why it's so bad to make jokes about serious issues.
Really, as long as it's not something like "lol thousand gazillion people died hahah stoopid niggerrsss they should've moved to New York hahaha", I mean, actually laugh at the disaster itself, I think it's pretty ok to realize that Quake is also a video game.
I'd mod the joke up if I could.
Granted, the loss of life is tragic, but what about other conseqences? Are there any electronics or IT industries affected? Are we going to see the price of memory or electronic components go up due to damaged factories, warehouses, or communication disruption? Not that paying more for RAM is anywhere near as tragic as the loss of life there, of course.
Another FPS I didn't know about?
Wow! This would make for some whoopass big wave surfin'!
Is it bad, if the first thing I thought of while reading the title was that they got addicted to Quake, much like a significant portion of the South Korean population stayed home on the launch of World of Warcraft?
...I'm not related to those mud people.
Wow, that post is full of so much BS that I could almost see it as parody. ...and now for the *real* reason...
It's not about work ethic or skills. The reason westerners are so expensive is because of our on-going materialistic lifestyles. Simple as that really. Other developing nations live on a minimalist-survival level. And if those said countries have the skills, they will practically work for free compared to a westerners counter part. Yet ironically, those programmers in India are still making a kings ransom worth in relation to the rest of the citizens in India.
As a side note, the influx of work provided by western investment is causing a huge boom in the local India economy. Already India is seeing a demand for motorcycles and luxury cars. It wont be long (culture wise) before the citizens of India too start demanding the same materialistic lifestyles we enjoy just like in Europe, America, Japan, and China (in the process).
Basically, think of this as global economic equilibrium in its purist form.
Life is not for the lazy.
I would have thought that news of a massive earthquake at sea backed by warnings of a tsunami would have worried enough people to get them to move (possible panic being another issue.
Cyclone's don't tend to create tsunami's as such, more the low pressure builds up water levels which can then be pushed further inland by the winds. This is a gradual process (like an extremely high tide), rather than the sudden impact of a tsunami.
See my journal, I write things there
Many indonesians smoke often pirated Philip Morris.
The Indians are even worse with their foul smelling bidis. Bet they wont be able to get their matches to strike now
Its about the same distance from the epicenter as some of the areas in India being hit hard. The highest elevation of Diego Garcia is about 20 meters. And at this time I'd expect it jam pack with equipment and personnel.
Interestingly enough, the Arthur C. Clarke Foundation was working in a project to provide early warnings / relief support in the event of tsunamis. From the Arthur C. Clarke Foundation's website (see here):
Note that the test was scheduled for 2005... unfortunately a little too late. Also, they were focusing on the Pacific instead of the Indian Ocean. Given that Clarke himself lives in Sri Lanka, I wonder how the current events would affect the project. It is clear to me that the Indian Ocean has been somewhat neglected.
You're bound to be unhappy if you optimize everything. --Donald Knuth
make more idiotic 'helpful' 'insightful' posts?
Hi. Did anyone notice in the photographs that those that have been earthly-killed seem to have strange arm positions? Is that a common sign from a drowning? Does anyone know?
I know someone who was diving on a boat on a small island some distance from Phuket. Is there any chance he could have survived?
Hoping anyone with knowledge of how tsunami's work might have a good idea. Would he be carried with the wave or would it just pass him?
Thanks for any responses
unfortunately that is neither funny nor false
good job.
This is exactly the sort of consideration that should have been integrated into the summary to render it topical for the site.
what the hell does that have to do with the poster, or the story?
nothing.
Don't use those people deaths as an excuse to be prejudice.
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
My heart goes out to those affected but it will only get worse. I looked at the list of major quakes since 1900 and it seemed that almost half were in the last 10 years. Do you think that maybe the Bible is right? What can we do to help those who are affected? What can we do to prepare for ourselves for such events? 72 hour kits are a great way to start.
Various bits of the net are hard to get at right now (from Oz, that is ...).
... anyone heard any reports?
Wondering if the quake has caused any probs
The last time I was in Malaysia I watched CNN and it was like being on another planet. The resemblence of what is broadcast in North America to what is broadcast in Malaysia was so weak that I could not believe it was the same organisation.
So I would not put too much weight on what CNN is broadcasting here as far as being america-centric is conserned.
s/their/there/
"2. 6000 dead is not an astounding loss of life."
and this is why whenever i see a picture of the former world trade centers i sit back and smile
americans are the cancer of the earth.
OK, so 10000 people died. Big fucking deal. That's just 4% more than die on average day from other causes. Who the fuck cares? Answer - idiots who pretend to be caring and tender people, but are just idiots who (a) don't know math and (b) consider whatever was reported on teevee to be important, relevant and valuable news. You are all idiots, people, face it.
BTW, the ten leading causes of death in mid-90s were:
Tsunamis and giant earthquakes? You must be kidding! If you are intelligent and truly caring you should be pushing for more medical research, particularly anti-aging research. Most people die because they get older, not because there is giant earthquake where they live. And if you just pretend to care (and fool yourself in the process), watch teevee and discuss with others how horrible the loss of life was, I have just one thing to say - you are an idiot!Future Wiki -- If you don't think about the future, you cannot have one.
I'm a Japanese, and I feel I heard of the legend, but uncertain.
So I googled.
see the full story(Japanese page)
The story was known as one article of our very old language arts schoolbook of national elementary schools. It was published about from 1937 to 1947. I've never seen the text, of cource, but I think I heard this story from my teacher.
This is a story about a farmar and an earthquake which hitted Kishu (now, Wakayama Pref.), in 1854. Outline of the story is totally same as Rob Carr described above. In addition, he is not just a farmer, but a 7th meister of Yamasa soy sauce factory, a first chairman of council of Wakayama Pref., and a first minister of Post Office Dept. (It was a era of revolution...)
For foreign countries, Lafcadio Hearn (known as Yakumo Koizumi in Japan) introduced this story first, in his book 'Gleanings in Buddha-Fields (ISBN:1596050217 or other)'. One Japanese teacher rewrited this to a simple and dense text for children, and choosed as an article of textbook by the nation. This version is re-translated to English, and taken in textbook of Colorado state elementary school, titled 'The burning of the rice fields' (the page is saying so. I don't know it's true or not).
Actually, in Japan, everyone knows, I believe, that sea surface oftenly drawn off before a Tsunami. We live with earthquakes, typhoons, volcanos, and fires (because of densely build old wooden houses). We are so careful(even an exess sometimes) and preparing for such disasters, so we can imagine to some degree what is going on. It is terrible to have a great Tsunami without no warning and information. Systems and informations are required.
A. Hundreds of miles from the mainland where you don't have the luxury of being able to run 100 miles more inland and a few hundred feet UP.
This was probably not exactly great for those folks who are the permanent residents either.
The Pacific always carries these threats, and others more severe. The regions that are plagued by earthquakes are also often in close proximity to volcanoes.
The Pacific Coast of Washington State is ringed with small two-lane highways where you can drive right on to the beach. If you step out of your vehicle and wander around long enough you will see traffic-type signs indicating tsunami evacuation routes. These are the black-bordered yellow signs with the little AOL creature running in the direction of the arrow.
Within 100 miles of those tsunami signs sit the Cascade Mountains, which comprise the northeastern range of the Ring of Fire.
This is the reward for living next to the "Pacific" Ocean. The City of Grunge and its outlying area has the great fortune to live near ~9.0 magnitude capable faults, and a volcano ring that can distribute all manner of pyroclastic and other major debris flows.
"Rocky Rococo, at your cervix!"
funniest Slashdot post in a while.
-- Jack
Exactly one year ago, (dec 26th, 2004) a massive earthquake (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4125385.st m ) hit Iran and approximately 30,000 people died then.
I know there's no real link between the two, but it's still 'strange'.
Gee, since that happened in the 60's, and none of the people that are there now or current governments were involved, some of us might just worry about people in general. Some of us might even think you are a dickhead for be so against any military personell anywhere you would rather they all drown instead of being punished for something that happened 40 years ago.
Somebody needs a serious reality check, and to re-think their mental framework - a clue for the dense (you); it's not me.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
The island is called Los Gigantos, the one that Mt Teide is located on. The volcano itself isn't the real threat, it's the cliffs that rise almost a mile above the shore, with a fault line less than a mile offshore.
Yup...
CNN interrupted the breaking story this morning to talk about delayed holiday flights and how unfortunate those who were late for Christmas were. Kinda puts things in perspective, doesn't it?
Japan, Kamchatka, Alaska, Washington, California, Mexico, Chile?
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. - Yogi Berra
I was in Koh Phangen Island off Thailand. Also passed through Phukit (Sheesh! Whotta name). Beutiful Islands, and as I recall, I think it missed the Full Moon party by just a day or so.
Every full moon, on Koh Phangen, all the "Trance heads" have their usual monthly ritual... Although the Island is on the other side of the Malaysian Penninsula (somewhat protected), I suspect it also got hit pretty hard. No word on anything yet, because I was unable to reach my friend in Bangkok.
If I get any word, I'll post it here....
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A nuclear power station in Kalpakkam, India, was shutdown because of the flooding.
Natural disasters like these are in nature's hands. The only thing we can do is stockpile nuclear weapons and send a few previliged men to moon. That is going to help us in the loooooong run.
Out of all the developed nations the US donates the lowest percentage of GDP in aid, and that includes all the corporate welfare masquerading as aid.
So take it back. All of it. Then piss off and leave us alone. Learn to get over your messiah complex. You're far more trouble than you're worth. Go home.
...if it comes from god?
Before you click "Troll," please hear me out:
On each anniversary of September 11th, I've consistently encountered people who asserted that our grief was selfish and unjustified because "worse disasters had happened elsewhere" - that is, had a higher bodycount.
Here's just one example: This seems to be the prevailing attitude among many: the scale of a human tragedy is directly proportional to it's bodycount. It's an attitude I've encountered multiple times in Real Life as well as on
Well, I'd like to write now what I wrote then, over two years ago...someting to keep in mind while you're reading this coverage:
The very notion that the relative significance of human tragedies can be "ranked" by their respective bodycounts is itself sickening.
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The stereotypical Slashdot computer geek is an amoral dork who rarely wanders away from his computer, which is probably located in his parents' basement. There are exceptions, but that's the stereotype. Enjoy.
I'd use the word 'bore'.
blame USA for not signing the kyoto treaty.
USA is responsible for 1/4 of all the greenhouse gases effects but represents only 1/25 of world population.
glaciar ice melting and the increase of water mater is one of the side effects of the global warmming.
There was a huge earthquake (8.1 on Richter) south of Tasmania 3 days before. It made headlines http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000081&si d=aUIanL7wC_m8&refer=australia/ but fortunately no victims. However if you look at a map of tectonic plates http://geology.about.com/library/bl/maps/blplatesw topoehem.htm/ and compare it with the location of the earthquake http://www.iris.edu/seismon/ you can see it happened at the southern tip of the Indian plate. Now 3 days later on the middle of the eastern edge of the same plate another huge earthquake...looks like plate movement to me.
Did Sollog predict this one ??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sollog
http://www.sollog.com/
The stuff they have online is all "predictions" of stuff that happened in the past. If you want about the future you have to subscribe.
Please. If you really believe that God's responsible, then you believe in a sick God: He punishes people (including innocent children) via tsunamis just because he doesn't have enough fans? I seriously doubt other Christians would share your view.
If you believe in the God of Christianity (who is omnipotent and omniscient), this tsunami almost has to be punishment. This is a big problem area in religious philosophy, normally referred to as the problem of evil. A common argument is that suffering can actually be good, so that is why a absolutely good diety would allow disasters like this (on a smaller scale, it is like the idea of a parent spanking a child to make them a better person).
Anyway, I would imagine quite a few Christians believe this was punishment. They don't have a lot of other choices considering the basics of their religion.
There is no excellent beauty that hath not some strangeness in the proportion. -- Francis Bacon
..Torrent! boy i hope that doesn't happen online.
I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.
To get the latest info on the Earthquake, try monitoring this feed from PubSub.com:
2 bd5f.xml
http://rss.pubsub.com/ef/c3/b9173332d3d1011651b6f
Content will be updated every 15 minutes and will contain the most recent 32 blog entries that mention the event.
bob wyman
A longer section from the 9pm bbc news
approx. 14 minutes divx (~105MB ) here
...as I write this.
But then, hardly any of the dead were US nationals, or white, even, eh.
Just when you think you've seen the worst of US ignorance and crass stupidity, along comes someone like maximilln, to prove there's always one just a bit worse.
This is truly a sad day for all of humanity. 11,000 people is a huge incredible loss of life. We can talk about the science behind tsunamis all day long, but let's all take a moment to pray for the victims of this catastrophe. Keep in mind that it's not just 11,000 dead, but it's millions homeless, without clean water or food, or a place to live.
If you can, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give some money to one of the many relief organizations that is working to help feed and shelter people in the affected zones. I am sure the International Red Cross would be a good place to start.
More than mere navel gazing.
I heard that in Krabi (Thailand) people notice the sea withdrawing uncharacteristically about 5 minutes before the first wave hit. Anyone can explain that?
In the attempts to link the stories of the Old Testament to historic events, a tsunami in the Mediterrenean sea is used to explain how the sea "opened". Indeed, right before a tsunami, the level would first drop, letting Moses and his people cross the "sea" there, and the wave would then have drowned the Egyptian army or whoever was after them.
In this hypothesis, Moses would have crossed from Egypt to Israel through a sort of swamp land near the mediterranean cost, where the tsunami effect wouldn't have been very brutal but rather slow. The level drop would have been enough to let people cross that swamp.
Unfortunately, I don't have any reference. I saw that in a documentary once. And I'm certainly no expert in Biblical stuff.
Maybe someone has some links? The part of the documentary which I saw was very interesting. It also explained the 7 plagues of Egypt, mainly with a strong volcanic eruption in the Mediterranean, which is believed to have taken place around 3000 BC if I remember correctly.
My housemate's flower horn fish started behaving strangely since yesterday. Horn fish by nature is very aggressive. That fish would stalk me whenever I go near the tank but it had been hiding in one corner eversince. Could this be a sign of another potential quake?
Anyone here finding their house pets behaving similarly weird?
Reality is what we taste, smell, see, hear and touch yet we cannot comprehend it...only approximate it.
Proof that outsourcing pisses off God too!
The Maldives is a special case. However, all you'd have to do there, would be to get out onto the deep ocean.
Anyhow - a normal relatively healthy human being can move somthing like 6 kilometers/hour on a sustained level for hours, and more like 10 if they really have to. Thus - even if you don't have enough vehicles for everyone, then half an hour or even 15 minutes of early warning would allow a substantial number of people to escape physical harm.
Stop the brainwash
I'm deeply sorry for all the deaths, it is a tragic event. But wait a minute, does this mean that all those indians can finally bathe for the first times in their lives?I see this as a blessing in disguise....now if only there was a soap storm...
Basically, it says "THERE IS NO TSUNAMI WARNING OR WATCH IN EFFECT.".
Yes, of course, there was no tsunami in the region this warning center is responsible for. But who writes these reports? Is it sensible to just write "no tsunami warning", without specifying that it's a different story on the other side, in the Indian ocean? Wouldn't people writing these reports be supposed to be aware of it?
Anyway, that report, while it may be technically correct for it's region, sounds really weird to me.
Since the link is for the "latest report", and will change over time, here is the complete text of that page:
"CSI Miami (a US TV show) had a tsunami hit Florida in the program."
:)
Unfortunately, due to the depth of the water between Miami and the Bahamas it is impossible to have a tsunami hit Miami. It might hit the Bahamas instead (depending on water depth). We might have a high tide, and/or rising water, but nothing like a tsunami.
Just in case anyone was wondering... It's *just* a TV show
I'm very sad for the loss of all those souls. We are living interesting times.
Events like this one reminds me of the HAARP project and other electromagnetic weapons to alter the weather and generate eathquakes on demand.
Who?
Anyone opposed to the rise of Asia. I would have to guess USA, UK-USA, etc. Remember you have a mad man in the white house.
Why would a nation of peace loving citizens want to make such thing?
There's a war with China planned to occur in this decade 2006-2010. By that time, China would be the 2nd superpower, and USA won't simply seat to watch it become nro 1. Odds tell that the main part of Asia will follow China.
We are now in the early stages of this war, the preparation. One just don't get munition built from morning to evening, one has to plan for war.
So, by generating and earthquake in the pacific, USA would acchieve 2 things. Make the future enemy spend time and money in reconstruction instead of preparation. And, possibly, take out some objetives in the way.
Conspiracy theory? Sure. Power changes hands not because of elections and forseenable methods but succesfully executed, secret plans.
May you live interesting times - Old Chinesse Curse
Well, probably not in Florida, but keep in mind that there are mountains in southern Arizona exceeding 10,000 feet elevation. I assure you they do get blizzards. Even the lower elevations can get a surprising amount of snow. I've seen 6 inches of snow in Tucson.
Too much Law; not enough Order.
Initial estimates 12,000 souls dead and rising, plus over 1 million displaced or affected.
I am watching horrific news footage from Sri Lanka, Aceh (Indonesia) and Thailand on TVRI Berita Pagi (Indonesian news service) & SBS.
We are all one family of human beings - imagine it is your house, your brothers and sisters. I've lived in Indonesian archipelago for example and know how gentle, kind and loving these people are.
Please help by donating here http://www.careaustralia.org.au/donate_now.asp, here http://www.redcross.org/, or another organisation who can assist.
The average income in most of these places is just a few dollars a day (and often less) - so anything you do will help a lot!
I live in a typically selfish and miserly 'first world' country that shares an embarassing 0.25% of GDP on foreign aid. Please help fellow citizens and our governments wake up to this so we can all live in a safer, more compassionate and peaceful world. Capitalism and free markets can only go so far - human life and the environment are priceless - and most valuable of all.
...clear lack of imagination. Huh. sounds like the sept. 11 report.
To all of you who may doubt the military supremacy of the United States of America, this was just a warning. The next time it will be far worse, affecting more than just coastal areas. This is just one of our newer weapon system tests. You shall all bow before us and swear your allegiance before our flag or you shall all drown in more of these "natural" disasters.
Our goal is nothing short of complete unequivocal world domination. Your terms of surrender will not be negotiable. They will include abiding by the DMCA and all of our copyright laws as well as the establishment of the death penalty (without trial) for all alleged sexual activity or disrespect of our peace officers.
You have been warned. The rest is up to you.
[Note: the Japanese, Taiwanese, Chinese, Canadians, British, and French are excluded from this warning for various reasons]
If you are claiming "only" 40 feet high, it is apparent you have never been caught inside by an ocean wave even half that size. The power of a normal, storm-created wave 40 feet high is simply awesome. Given the fact that storm waves travel at a fraction of the speed of tsunami, these waves must have been powerful indeed.
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I heard about the quake on the news, but it felt different when I read the following on one of the mailing lists I'm on. Maybe someone has a good God that can loan Undine an Iridium phone or something similar for long enough to call home.
Tag lost or not installed.
It's been revised upwards to a magnitute of 9.0 now. But, that's not my main point. I wish you hadn't made the above post as an AC. Yours has been one of the best made on this topic and you should let your fellow /.'s get to know you are.
civilization is chaos taking a rest
This is Bush's fault! We all know it's true! Everything is Bush's fucking fault! You neofuckingcon bastards can suck my cock! I SEE the truth! It's all Bush's fault! How can 51% of America be so fucking stupid?! It's clearly Bush's fucking fault!
With rationality like this, why did our side loose to Bush? IT'S BUSH'S FUCKING FAULT, THAT'S WHY!
The BBC's map of affected areas suggests that Bangladesh escaped damage.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/4126019.stm
This seems odd, because Bangladesh is a notably low-lying country, in a river delta/flood plain, densely populated, and with a history of devastation by tsunamis and flooding.
In 1991, apparently, 138,000 Bangladeshis were killed by a tsunami.
If the BBC is correct, then it seems to be the only nation in the region that escaped serious damage.
Anyone want to venture a guess as to why this would be?
I hope this is true - the alternative explanation would be that the whole country was so completely wiped out that word never got out, and nobody else noticed them missing.
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I first heard about it close to 12:00M PST while surfing.
What was interesting was the news coverage the next morning (disclaimer: I woke up at @ 9:00). Wolf Blitzer was going off about the 10 top news-worthy things in 04 (of course 9 of them had to do with the US), Paula Zahn went off about some reverend making boatloads of money off of G and there wasnt even an obligatory mention (screen-bottom tickers don't count) of an event that resulted in (unofficial) a deathtoll close to 11,500 (last BBC estimate). The only place I got to see anything about it on TV was an obscure (to me at least) channel called News World Intl. (366 on DirectTV) where CBC and then something called the German Journal talked about this most of the time. Of course the BBC was kind enough to provide a lo-rez video feed, but I still dont understand the complete glossing over of such an incident. Is it that unless americans die, the american media wont cover it? Seems foolhardy... but then it is the US. Nothing's unexpected. And of course I still dont know why the BBC World service is not available in the US.
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Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? -- Calvin (Bill Watterson)
I'd say that's by far the most sensational article I could find on the subject, and the exaggeration in that article is exceeded only by the 'devastation reeked' by the author's command of grammar.
Even a non-technical journalist should be expected to do better than reporting outcomes involving waves several times higher than the worst-case scenario considered in the relevant research.
Admittedly, the prospect of the worst-case 20m tsunami hitting most of the East Coast is rather fearsome, but it also relies on a currently-inactive volcano triggering a ~500 cubic kilometer landslide.
The estimate of the potential size of the landslide is based on very limited information. I'd say they're trolling for grant money, and it's certainly not something that most people should be worried about at this point.
"We have to go forth and crush every world view that doesn't believe in tolerance and free speech." - David Brin
I was surprised that the article did not mention anything about Malaysia. The Tsunami also affected 3 states in the north of Malaysia (Penang, Kedah and Perlis bordering Thailand) which are roughly 300 to 400 kilometers away from the epicenter.
The death toll is estimated in the hundreds although at the time of writing there doesnt seem to be any official count. The aftershocks were felt as far down as Kuala Lumpur (600+ kilometers away from the epicenter and about 50 kilometers away from the coast).
There were tremors felt as far away as Kuantan (700+ km from epicenter) which is on the east coast of the Malaysian peninsula facing the south china sea! Many hotels and apartment buildings were evacuated as a result of this.
It's more than 14,000 deaths.
It's millions of people homeless.
Have you ever slept rough? I haven't, but I've come close enough to appreciate how bad it is.
It's untold damage to water systems. That story hasn't come out yet.
As to why it matters: these is a humans vs nature story. We humans use engineering to defend ourselves against the depredations of nature like this. When I read these stories, I think: if the people in Indonesia and Thailand and Myanmar and Bangladesh and India had better engineering, fewer lives would be lost and ruined.
I was surfing. I took the wave. I'm alive. No choice. Bye Dudes
I know it's morbid curiosity, but I wonder if this disaster has affected the communication systems used for call centers in India. Do they use satellite? undersea cables? Do they come from the east or the west? (I'm too lazy to look it up at the moment) Even if the lines are not physically affected I suspect the traffic on them has skyrocketed.
As time goes by the destructive force of earthquakes, volcanoes and storms are unlikely to change, but what has changed and changing is the increasing number of people that can be affected by such events.
It'll be days before we know the true cost in human lives not to mention economically. The estimates of dead keep going up, but I wouldn't be surprised if it goes down. One can only hope. With so many people living on the edge in Southeast Asia, literally, it'll be a long time before many of the areas recover.
"You'll get nothing, and you'll like it!"
.... what I want to know about..are these Quake and Tsunami games that were so much more devestaing than DOOM?
Well, at least I've heard of Quake before...
There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Hope they had their scuba gear on when the Big one came ...
.. especially if they were on an economy package which puts you around 2-3 kms away from the beach.
:)
Don't worry - they'll be back
Only the Really Rich and the Really Poor can live on the beach
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur
Just because it happened to the cream of America's corporate structure doesn't make 9/11 horrifying... It's not the body count ... It was not a tragedy - it was an act of malicious intent by a group of people - who had to kill thousands of people to be taken seriously !!. That's what's HORRIFYING about it.
...
The relative significance of human tragedies are indeed ranked by the percentage of human population wiped out. A life is a life , no matter who they are (primitive savages or corporate executives). If you want to compare the Tungska meteorite with the flash tide flood in Chennai - I'd think the latter deserves more of our concern
As a species , we should grieve the loss of valuable genetic diversity - It's something that comes naturally to any creature of sufficent intelligence (look at some elephants in Periyar , they literally cry over year old bones).
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur
A scientist will be able to recognise that a dangerous event has ocurred. I guess the real problem is who does the scientist call to ensure that word is spread. You are quite right about bureacracy, as there need to be a system that ensures reports are taken seriously and acted upon.
Unlike the Pacific, the Bay of Bengal/Anderman sea is much less active, and this was practically the only major fault. India is still prone to some earthquakes (major plate boundary in the North), but these are not undersea.
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Ah. You're one of those "Reaganesque rugged individuals", aren't you? A John Wayne wannabe? With fists of steel and diamonds in your eyes?
Bwaaaaahahaaahhaahaaahaaa!
My role is to be a bomb-throwing anarchist; the neural configuration was more suited for such an egregore.
What is so mysterious about the earthquake and the subsequent tidal wave? Cannot it be predicted earlier and the people be warned of it? Could necessary precautions be taken to minimise the loss to life and property? In fact, the quake was actually predicted by a team of research scholars of the Department of Applied Geology, University of Madras, with a permissible error, a week ago.
N Venkatanathan, research scholar, who is currently undergoing a Ph.D programme in Predicting Earthquake and Aseismic Construction Designing and the man behind the team working on predictions, said he had already presented a report about the Indonesian earthquake on 22 December to members of the Department of Science and Technology, New Delhi.
The 15-member team headed by S K Tandan were in Chennai at that time for a meeting.
Venkatanathan, said, 'we predicted that the disaster will occur on 26 December 2004 at 00:30 (GMT) with 3.54 N latitude and 97.17E longitude, which is located near the coast of Banyak Island, Sumatra, Indonesia, with a magnitude at around 6 to 7. The actual calamity occurred on 26 December 2004 at 00:58 (GMT), with 3.298 N latitude and 95.779 E longitude, located off the west coast of northern Sumatra'.
Read the story here
http://newstodaynet.com/27DEC/SS6.HTM/
Yes thanks, I think I will definitely call you paranoid: If you look at a world map, you may notice that Aceh is pretty far from China. Pretty damn far.
:-)
And even if you think Indonesia is capable of becoming a world power, Aceh is not where you would want to strike. You would want to *strengthen* the Acehnese insurgency then.
And both those scenarios are only if you think electro-seismo-whatever weapons are actually possible. They probably aren't, or the intelligent people here on slashdot would be having a discussion of how they work.
So yeah, you are definitely insanely paranoid. Thanks for the permission to call you that.
In related news, tech support is closed!
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TRAGEDY = Violence to me
Here is a home video of the wave crashing into the beach of Patong.
...what if there were no rhetorical questions?
Who can explain to me why the evidence that is available does not without any doubt leave open the option of this being a meteorite impact ? Wouldn't it present with the exact same things:
Tsunami
Earthquake like effects
Sudden onset ???
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And they still haven't reached the hardest hit areas on the other islands of the Maldives and a couple of islands belonging to India just west of Myanmar (Burma).
I thought a lot about you yesterday.
;)
I am sure that your on line free encyclopedia is wonderful and all.
However, I still feel that you should temper your posts and respect the tone of the topic.
You say that your signature is always to go to this particular website. I think you are not being honest, though please correct me if I am wrong.
It seems to be that you must have cooked up a way to use mod points to self-promote, which I am sure makes you very cleaver. And I appluad you.
However, it does not get past the point that your post contributed nothing to the discussion except to compel people to use your site.
Also, I really doubt that you have always used the signature that you say you had because it would always be the same, instead of always including a mention of the topic at hand.
So, I don't want to start a war with you, but only hope that you will realize how tasteless it is to always see the self-promotion of such sites as yours always on slash-dot.
If you had written anything real or posted your encyclopedia's entry here, then that would be fine that your signature directs people to that site. However, admit it, you didn't have anything to say. It was just what you say is your signature.
My quess is that you have a spider that always checks for the topic and creates your post.
And I find it curious that you are always modded up as informative. You provided no information but just a link. Don't you think anyone could just google 'tsumani' and get to your site?
So can you understand how this can bother me?
The whole world should not always be about self-promotion.
Modesty is a better policy.
Best of luck with your on-line encyclopedia.
But please, when there is real human tragedy, do you have to always make it about your site?
It reminds me of when I put 'human slave' into Alta Vista and it spit back:
'Buy human slaves at '
Best of luck with your marketting, but try compassion and not so much shameless promotion.
The likelihood of this happening in that part of the world was tremendously small, add to that the magnitude (I truly think you don;t understand what a 8.9 in the Richter scale truly means) and we have one in a millions chances of such horrendous thing happening.
To invest too much preventing an unlikely event is foolish.
In spite of that, the goverments in the region were looking into an alert system, having said that it would have saved nobody in Thailand, Indonesia or Malaysia given the closeness of the epicenter.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
If we don't measure somehow tragedies (body count is a hell of a good estimate, since at least is measuring the human impact) then we can't know the size of the necessary response.
You may find it sickening, but it is necessary to get organized.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
If their work is to warn about tsunamis in the Pacific basin, with all due respect that frankly you don't deserve, why should they warn about tsunamis somewhere else?
Ditto with early warning systems for earthquakes, tornados, flooding, etc. They had a job to do, they did it well, and it is only uninformed nitpickers (rated as "informative") that find fault on this....
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
I believe some mathematicians demonstrated that the longest chain necessary of people that know each other between you and any other person in the world would have 6 people at most.
In my case I have the following chains:
Me - dad - his boss - President of Mexico (1960) - John F. Kennedy.
Or a shorter one:
Me - University teacher (in Mexico City) - Noam Chomsky...
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
"We don't have contacts in our address book for anybody in that part of the world."
What about ... the American Embassy in the affected countries?!?!
A large asteroid crashing into the ocean would cause a tsunami. (Think of the rings of water when you toss a pebble into a pond.) An underwater volcanic eruption could cause a tsunami. Tsunamis are caused by displacement.
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They are not mentioned anywhere, because communication equipment is swept into the sea, or because nothing happened? I'm interested because I went on holiday in the Seychelles a few years ago. It's a beautiful place with friendly people.
Does anybody have any news on these island nations?
AC: What I hate most about the evangelist moron wing of the christian faith is that they cant be bothered to even understand their own faith
Couldn't agree more. The only thing I'd like to add is that extremists from other religions are the same -- Islam is not a violent religion like the extremist nutcases make out to be either.
Some people are like slinkies--basically useless but they bring a smile to your face when pushed down the stairs.
Google News is your friend ...
Google News for Maldives
Google News for Seychelles
From www.clarkefoundation.org/projects, regarding "Project Warn", which the Clarke Foundation participates in:
...to carry out a suitable test and demonstration in this area. In particular a simulation and test is being planned in the Pacific Region in 2005 to determine to how to use the latest information and sensing technology more effectively in the advent of that a major Tsunami might impact an Asian country or island. Clarke Foundation personnel are providing technical advice and support on a volunteer basis to this project."
"The purpose of Project Warn is combine enhanced communications and IT systems to provide warning of impending natural or man-made disasters and to provide on-going communications and remote sensing and GIS support during disaster relief operations. The Clarke Foundation is working
Some Indians and other south asian bloggers have formed a blog tsunamihelp.blogspot.com which provides the latest information on the mishap, agencies involved in support of victims, helpline numbers and places where donations can me made.
Well, if only one could exist...
About the philosophical problem of evil though; I think it's possible to postulate a God who is omniscient, omnipotent and compassionate at the same time, by introducing the concept of voluntary non-interference with the freedom to choose of humans and the customs (some call them laws) of nature.
The question is really, if God knows all and can do all, why didn't He intervene? I think the answer is, he can, but often the order of nature and our freedom is worth more to him than the disasters that happen.
If as a species we only could be saved by God taking away our freedom of choice and reducing us to mere angels, who have no choice but to obey God, then that would be pretty sad, and I for one am rather human, despite all the suffering that occurs due to human actions, than a creature that lacks the unique responsibility that comes with this life.
Cheers,
Emile.
All generalizations are false, including this one. (Mark Twain)
Video here; high bandwidth server, no worries. 4 different videos. Amazing footage.
Yeah, those are all vertical movements. Do all earthquakes (in the ocean) cause tsunamis?
Vulgar? Certainly.
Funny? Not hilarious, but whatever.
Obvious? Possibly.
Troll? No fucking way Jose.
I suppose modding like a twat will show how sincere your pain is. Bleeding heart? Bleeding arse more like.
1/3 of jokes get modded OT. If you get the joke, mod 1 in 3 insightful/interesting/underrated to restore karma balance.
btw, something similar could happen in the North Atlantic as well, but the last time it happened was 1755 (Lisbon earthquake, 60000 victims), i.e. 250 years ago. How much would you be willing to spend because something like that could happen again?
I thought I'd post an update.
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Julia Cameron
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I've searched the various seismic databases and noticed the beachball plot of the 9.0 magnitude earthquake was inverted from large magnitude earthquakes.
Can anyone identify a seismograph plot of an actual asteroid impact? Both Torsional and Compressional plots would be quite useful (T-wave and P-Waves).