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An anonymous reader writes "A family in Sacromento has covered the side of their house with aluminum to keep the radiowaves from their neighbors at bay. The city has given them one week to remove the life saving shielding or face charges."
Is that near Sacramento? Or is it in Colifornia?
That's just what they want you to think.
How can they be brought up on Misdemeanor charges for this?
It's stupid. It's ugly. But why in the fuck is it illegal?
LK
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wow, do this reminds me of 1984. It doesnt even really work that well does it?
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Bet that works great to keep the heat out of the house too...
Maybe they could use that as a reason to keep it?
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For a minute there I thought I was looking at /. April 1st edition. . .
Well, I suppose they won't have any trouble with government mind readers...
"The inside of the house is also covered with foil and the beds are covered with a foil-like material as well,"
So, these are the guys that buy those "space blankets"...
and now back to the fallout shelter...
Why don't they just cover their bodies instead?
Oh well, the story made it up at some point.
I think that the people are just crazy, although they will probably come up with some evidence and prove me wrong, that or they'll be forgotten in a week.
Why not just ask the neighbors to turn their radio down?
The best part of this article is that was posted by an anonymous reader. That's irony. (and, if it's not, I'm sure the grammar police will enforce).
What's wrong with protecting yourself from harm?
... they might have a point.
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That's bloooooooody brilliant.
I would believe that this family has the right to put whatever they want on the side of their house if they demonstrate that the radiowaves are life threatening.
For that matter if the city does not declare them an "eye sore" then they cannot force them to pull it down.
A solution for the family is to paint it for a big mural and declare it an artistic expression.
btw, IANAL dont use my advice, check with your lawyer, or go take the bar and 4 years of law school coupled with some practical experience.
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FTFA:
Everyone knows you need TIN for this to work!
All these people are doing are stopping the space rays from reading their minds, but as soon as they open the window or go outside to get the mail, it's too late.
easy fix, just line the inside of the house with foil.
love the antibot text field btw. same i cant read the fucker.
It's Sacramento, not Socromento, samzenpus, you oaf. Yes, it's a spelling flame, but it's the third one in three days. I guess the "editors" don't do much "editing".
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Though it seems to be a classic: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/903959/tinf oil.jpg
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just because your house is covered in tin foil doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
"Is this just useless, or is it expensive as well?"
...I bet their aluminum foil bed sheets would need to be ironed quite often. :-)
Not just a single loony, but a whole family! This kind of thing goes on all across the world with loonies deciding that enough government-sponsored bombardment of their brain is enough and takes the radical step of putting shielding up to prevent further abuse. This is the first time I've heard of a whole family going insane at once.
Not to say that they aren't right, though. Radio waves from all directions are constantly bombarding every single one of us all the time. Moreso if you are a ham radio or CB operator because those waves are originating from you. And in some special cases, it may even be possible that the metal fillings in someone's teeth are picking up those radio waves and affecting the person in a strange way. But mostly, the radio waves that pass through us are mostly harmless.
Should they be forced to remove the shielding because neighbors don't like it and find it an eyesore? I suppose that's about as legitimate as the family demanding the cessation of radio wave production from the neighbors. It's another form of gentrification and morally repugnant.
Everybody knows all you need to do to block radiation and radio waves from reading your mind is to cover the windows....
All they have to do is install it under the siding of the house, and it is legit, code-worthy, and kinda cool.
IANAL but I bet this treatment violates neighbourhood 'quality' standards.
One thing to remember, pot-houses do this to minimise the heat signature.
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." ~Plato (427-347 BC)
If I'd have known I was causing them problems, I would've stopped trying to microwave their paint off their house as a practical joke.
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I'm sure there will be plenty of Tinfoil Hat Jokes and other posts, but after reading the article I'd say they need lithium, not aluminum. That is to say, the "radio waves" deal is typical in schizophrenic patients. Other common variations are people using radio waves to listen to what their thinking, people using high-tech devices to spy on their homes. The end result is a bunch of variations on the sheet metal siding. Those people that aren't familiar with metal and radiation commonly use cardboard boxes to cover all openings and windows.
A misdemeanor charge isn't what's needed, a visit from a social worker probably is. There's a difference between being unique and unusual, and having mental issues.
only here could a story about tinfoil freaks turn into a serious discussion about how effective it is and how they can legally keep it up.
Surely the FCC will be able to determine what the house is being bombarded with and put a stop to it? The mention of the first anniversary of 9/11 is kinda strange too.
I bet they get awesome television reception!
Why not just re-do the house in aluminum siding? Then they can keep their crazy ideas and have a decent looking house.
Put in some Low-E glass windows with a metal reflective layer and a metal roof and they should be good to go - until someone tunnels under their house, of course.
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And what about more exotic stuff, like beryllium foil (used in x-ray machines) and gold foil (which can be thin enough to pass light through)?
After all, if you are going to go to the trouble of... er... foiling radiation, why not choose the best type?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage
Just to be safe...
If, however, there is no radiation hazard, then nobody is affected and it's no more of an eyesore than all of the other satellite dishes out there.
Now, there are known places where radio leakage from assorted sources has caused problems. There was a metal stadium in the Middle East - forget exactly where - where, whilst it was under construction, power tools would turn themselves on and huge arcs could be seen. Turned out that the stadium acted as a gigantic radio dish and was not only receiving signals from powerful radio sources, but was focussing them too.
There have also been known cancer spikes in areas with (a) high humidity and (b) badly-maintained, sparking power lines. It is not yet proven that there is a causal relationship, but nobody has convincingly ruled it out, either.
This particular case, though, smacks heavily of a family being traumatized by George Bush's "War on Terror" (Sept. 11th, in and of itself, was really a fairly negligable event - ten times that number die each year in car accidents in the US, and more than a thousand times that number are currently in prison in the US for violent crimes).
Personally, I think the city should come to an agreement with the family. The family takes down the aluminum, agrees that the problem probably isn't real, but agrees to work with the city to sue the Federal Government for psychological damage to cover the expenses incurred and the treatment needed to deal with the PTSD the family has suffered with, because of GWB's attitudes.
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Should we be poking fun at the serious issues being raised by these simple folk. They sincerely believe what they are saying about the intentional bombardment of their home with radiation. Instead of ridicule, some kind hearted geeks should be going out there with various forms of detector equipment and identifying the source. Where's Egon Spengler when you need him?
Who knows the Door Keeper and Key Master might be heading that way already to do the dirty deed and finally let the traveler loose into the world of men!
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Then again, I don't understand the reasoning of the average crank.
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but my shiny aluminized home keeps the neighbours away. They used to come complaining about my stereo a lot when I was playing "Careful with the axe, Eugene"
I doubt that we will ever figure out - and I suspect that even if we did figure out we couldn't do much about it
I've never seen my house from that angle before...
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Must be good stuff!
there's nothing liberal about trying to keep some looney bin neighbor from bringing down the local real estate values.
or, if there is, then i'm all for it anyway.
The revolution will NOT be televised.
Maybe its just me, but it seems that their solution would not work for their supposed problem.
How well does sheet metal block out radio waves? Don't people use aluminum foil to boost radio and/or TV waves?
I just can't see this actually being that successful since people can get radios to work inside of large buildings made out of metal.
Or maybe they are only blocking out "SPECIAL Radio waves put out by terrorists"
Family also expects Christopher Columbus will be arriving at their water closet soon.
Too bad the NSA's engineering manuals are classified. They specialize in that type of construction. Nothing gets out. Nothing gets in. It still looks like a normal building, although the windows look somewhat unusual.
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The seem really certain that the neighbours are out to get them, though if they've proved it I've no idea why they don't get the police involved.
But seriously, with that jumble of jagged strips forming a bunch of slot radiators, it's possible that certain resonate frequencies in their house have actually been significantly amplified above background levels.
D'Souza family. Obviously culturally acclimated as their house is not garishly painted behind the metal sheets (I saw some detailed photos on a live TeeVee newscast) is nutzo. The whol efriggin family.
OR
OR
OR
There is a single, LONE NUT, in their neighborhood who coupled the magnetron from his microwave oven to an antenna and is actually tossing photons at the D'Souzas.
Seriously guys, which is more believable? It's California after all. Personally, you couldn't pay me enough to live in any city in that state.
Can somebody with a digital camera run by there and take some pictures before this gets taken down? It sounds hilarious.
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First we had people creating tinfoil hats to avoid alien abductions.
Now, they tinfoil their whole house. What's up with that? Are they afraid of alien estate agents?
... since the neighbors will declare "unsightly" anything that isn't the right shade of Natural SandStone (TM).
Perhaps there is aluminum siding now that has the look of Natural SandStone vinyl siding?
Mustn't stray too far from the norm.
Raise your children as if you were teaching them to raise your grandchildren, because you are.
Just another day on the boulevard, I've had a lot worse neighbors here.
If they can't have it outside, why not line insides of their walls with sheetmetal. Or easier yet, put the sheetmetal on the inside like wallpaper. Then the terrorist will THINK they're bombarding you, when in reality they "waves" will bounce back and hit them!
As someone who has a family member with Lupus, I call absolute bullshit on this.
Lupus causes haven't really been figured out. Furthermore, there's absolutely ZERO medical evidence that EMF/EMI causes or even aggravates Lupus. Trust me, I looked and looked after her doctor told her to "avoid cell phones and wireless devices whenever possible". I even emailed two mailing lists- one for researchers, one for patients- and came up with nothing. Nobody had ever heard of this. Furthermore, if their theory wer correct, we'd be seeing an explosion of Lupus cases (we haven't).
The D'Souzas said they will comply with the order and remove the sheet metal, but they also plan to gather evidence to show city officials what they believe is a problem with radiation.
That will be pretty tough, given there's next to no evidence EMF/EMI causes anything in people, and a lot of studies showing it has no discernible effects.
The inside of the house is also covered with foil and the beds are covered with a foil-like material as well,"
Sounds to me like they'd be a lot better served spending their money on a psychologist, not tin foil. Self-diagnosis ("radio waves are making us depressed, and giving us Lupus!") is a textbook sign of a hypochondriac.
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What's the frequency, kenneth???
Surely this is also illigal in Cape Coral Florida home of the statute violation to park a pickup truck in plane view of the street.
..if they use cell phones, cause you know those cause cancer too. Its kinda rediculous that they think that their neighbors have been bombarding them with radiowaves. There are radiowaves in the air all the time. It's not like there is some sorta voodoo sick ray.
Paint the foil. Then check out family rates with the local Shrink.
In that context, a strong reaction to a house covered with metal foil is most predictable. The only suprise is that the neighbors took the time to call the code enforcement people, instead of rounding up a lynch mob!
If your situation is any better, don't feel too smug. Housing costs are going up everywhere, and the same obsesssion with property values is spreading like a disease.
Looks like their plan foiled :)
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I guess next they're going to complain that the FCC isn't doing anything to stop the broadcasting of the radio waves, too?
Come on, guys, give me a break, the only way these people could be bombarded with radio waves strong enough to hurt them is if they lived right next to a 100,000 watt broadcasting tower that's only 5-10 feet tall, and even then, if they're getting sick, imagine how shitty the neighbors doing the broadcasting must feel? Hell, they're probably fried, along with every bird and pet and stray in the area, plus everyone else in the neighborhood.
Let's go ask their neighbors if they feel bad or nauseous. Bet you cash money they say no, and these people will just be proven hypochondriacs, looking for good drugs.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
If you own a house an somebody does this in your neighborhood, I'd think you'd have an opinion about it. Life in the suburbs kinda sucks, but at the same time it makes sense. Your house is your property and it's affected by surrounding properties. "Hi, prospective home buyer, let me show you the garden..Oh don't mind the neighbor with the billboard in his front yard advertising his church. Oh and across the street is my neighbor Phil. he decided to pave his entire front yard so he could park his two RVs and his boat all year. Gotta love this place!"
that kinda crap doesn't wash. Life is supposed to look normal, well trimmed, green and conforming. If for some reason what they believed was true, if they can't stand their rights being trampled on, they can put sheet metal on the inside of the house, between the brick and insulation.
Most of the time this kind of transgression starts with several written and in person warnings, notices and then you're slapped with the misdemeanor or fine.
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...but in Houston, you can cover your house with disposed aluminum beer cans and it's considered outsider art. Sacramento may be flat and have hot weather like we do, but at least we celebrate our eccentrics.
I've been there many times, including on the property when we went by while a tour was happening. It's quite a sight to behold, and beautiful in its own right.
the fumes from the family meth lab?
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I'm wondering if this isn't kathaksung, a rather prolific woowoo who's been making the rounds of message boards all over the web for several years now. Based on his extensive paranoid rantings about the FBI trying to irradiate him via just about everything in his house, a foil-wrapped domicile would be exactly what I'd expect of him.
Because metals have a high thermal conductivity. A metal walled grow room would put off an even bigger IR signature.
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rediculous.
why again?
Hmmm, wonder if they ever got past the elementary physics of the device. For the shield to be effective it has to have an earth - and not just any earth either - they need one that's low impedance at the frequency they think is irradiating them. On the bright side - they may well have created the world's largest (ugly) capacitor, and who knows what the e and h fields are doing there - possible making them sicker?
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You might be actually able to see something. Or maybe his redneck neighbour is DDOS-ing him :)
but the gp post doesn't bother me at all, and I would never mod it down.
I wonder if it's because I'm not a whiny, borderline-Asperger's bitch who needs everything to be in its place.
There's an interesting, if not well defined, link between trauma and psychosis. Delusions and paranoia seem to have a strong link to widely shared public "concerns". I recently talked with a psychiatrist about paraniod schizophrenics and mentioned that there seemed to be a recurring theme of religious delusion and persecution. He, in return, said that in the 50's, paranoid schizophrenics, frequently complained of persecution by communists. The bogey man of the day seems to morph readily into paranoid delusions.
On a less humane note, it's scary these people are procreating, but just to help things along this site should validate their paranoia.
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but yes, yes I did read that URL as something do to wiht crak and chanels
Isn't it interesting how you come to recognize posters based solely on their sigs???
Further, the traveller was invoked by Gozer.
Bite my shiny, metal house.
It's to reflect indoor lighting? I always thought a heat 'signature' was how they identified marijuana amongst other plants.
Look at the image in the article (yeah, yeah...you gotta RTFA). They use Dish Network...maybe THEY are making them sick!
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the police from conducting a warantless "Search" of their house using infra-red imaging to find marijuana etc... among other things.
if they were smarter, they'd have lined the inside of their house.
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I been to Sacramento a lot since my Dad retired there 10 years ago. All they is a little bit of paint for the outside to fit in with the rest of Sacramento. If you seen one redneck house from the outside, you seen them all.
It's my house. It wasn't about keeping microwaves out, though. It was about keeping them in. I don't want anyone leeching my wifi connection!
An employee suggested to me that we load Tin Foil Hats on a few employees here as an evaluation. I was skeptical at first but he explained the benefits of using it for our employee's day-to-day overlord protection. So I decided to let him install the Tin Foil Hats (TFHs) onto 5 employees to see how the hats got on. Besides, our IT manager had been using one on his head and it seemed to work fine, why not try it on the peddling masses?
Once he'd got the employees up and running with TFHs we let the employees try it out. It all seemed fine to start with: protection was a pretty good replacement for EMI sheilds and the employees could still do their work as normal.
Alas it did not stay that way. After a few days, I had lost count of the number of complaints received from users who could not find things they were used to or tasks they could not perform that they previously could with out TFHs. The final straw came when one employee lost several hours work when the TFH suddenly acted as a lightning rod, rendering him dead before the paramedics arrived and corrupted his project.
Needless to say, the TFH team offered no support whatsoever. I made the employee remove Tin Foil Hats from the employees and lets just say he's not with us anymore.
That people believe that microwaves are causing lupus and other maladies just is saddening.
I mean, if I were gonna make my house an eyesore and invest what must be thousands in metallic "protection" you think i'd consult a real source, instead of the hundreds of quack websites out there.
I mean, a quick search on wikipedia would set these poor people straight.
People following quack science can be more dangerous than any diehard religious nut. (Cough, scientologists)
Glad the tin foil hats were helping ole' Patty; too bad the fedz are (cough) interfering with his progress...
(Adam and Jamie did it in their cellphone + gasoline myth)
I agree, that family might be a *little bit* (understatement warning) paranoid, but that doesn't give them the right to jeopardize their neighbors' eyes with sunlight - which was the reason for the suit in the first place.
A neighbour of my parents did this as he slowly slipped further into insanity. When I lived at home, he was a normal guy with a job. I never met him, but he never did anything that would indicate there was anything wrong. However a couple years later it started. He became a reculse, lost his job, began screaming at imaginary things at all hours of the night. He worse an AFDB, coated all his windows in aluminium foil and so on.
The neighbours wanted to have him comitted for his own good, but you can't do that just because someone is acting crazy, so it kept worsening. Finally he did something threatening and they were able to get him to a mental instution. There he was treated and drugs were able to return his grasp on reality... Unfortunately like many, he elected to stop taking them. This time, his slip to madness was forever, as he decided to kill himself.
Now while I suppose it is theoriticly possible these peopel are being bombarded by radiation, I somewhat doubt it. Microwave radiation isn't known to cause ill health effects at low levels, and if it was at any kind of serious levels you'd know, it would interfere with all kinds of things. Now higher energy radiation such as gamma could, but aluminium won't do shit for that, I'll take a reasonable plate of lead at least.
Also all kinds of radiation are rather easy to detect. If you are concerned you can get or rent the necessary equipment and check. Someone who was in thier right mind and genuinely worried would likely do just such a thing. I mean what if it's something like radon? That's really dangerous as it can release alpha radiation inside you, which is a serious health problem.
I agree with the parent, this is likely a case of eairly schizophrenia and needs to be dealt with. With proper treatment, most schizophrenics can lead a normal life. Without it, they usually totally lose their grip on reality and often hurt themselves.
Replace it with duct tape.
Table-ized A.I.
1: I sent $20 in exchange for stuff in return, which has yet to materialise
2: I was really looking forward to adding that stuff to my music collection
I assume you're the guy who runs the website, and if that's the case, i'd be really grateful if you'd pass this beef along to somebody who's responsible for ninja death club, because things like this make me wary of contributing to internet artists in the future
Think again, asshole! They use the high-tech devices to spy on my bones! My bones, I tells ya'!
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rights? hahaha haha ha ha a a . . ...
the only way property values should have bering and a persons rights is when DIRECT damage is being done. for instances:
1)you are burning your house and you catch your neighbors house of fire! or less extreme, the odor/smoke is drifting onto their property.
2)you have weeds, your weeds are spreading to your neighbors property.
3)anything else not along these lines, go F'ING LUCK!!!!
Maybe they can put a ton of popcorn kernals and a 55 gallon drum of butter in the living room.
What they should do is; keep their aluminum shields up, and tell the city officials to go to fucking hell. And they should tell the city that if they come to arrest them, that the cops had better pack a lunch.
This is ridiculous... as long as they are on their land, they city has no right what-so-fucking-ever to interfere with these people, as long as they aren't violating anybody else's rights (and hint: there is no such thing as the "right to not be offended by an eyesore").
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People's Republic of California.
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Studies have shown that people in rural areas using mobile phones have a higher incidence of brain tumors. Additional incidences of higher frequency exposure have been shown to cause DNA changes, ostensibly by rattling your proteins apart.
Lupus, an autoimmune disorder, is similar to temporal arteritis and other disease where the body actually starts inflaming and perhaps attacking itself through misidentification of conditions. Some feel that this might happen because of exposure to microwave leakage (ovens, and other 2.2-2.4Ghz items such as cordless phones, remote speakers, and 802..11b/g products) that cause localized inflamations that the body perceives as antigen reaction, then sends lymph and other things to do battle with non-existent, unidentified bad things. These 'soldiering' effects then, having not much to do, disrupt local tissues.
No, there's not a lot of data out there. But we are indeed bombarded by all sort of stuff, and waiting for the producers of products to research (expensively) the reactions will be like waiting for Godot, or worse, the government
A few years back, it was demonstrated to me that military radar could selectively fry a single goose in a formation from over five miles away. The poor things would burst into flames. Lower frequency RF, like living under a broadcast tower, doesn't seem to have as much problem as higher frequencies, including those that resonate water in microwave ovens. With so much spectra being used, few studies have been done stepping a few Hertz at a time, then looking to see what changes have occured, given various energy strengths, and localized conditions, like the presence of water and various minerals-- let alone DNA. Still further tests over a period of time given these variables, is entirely elusive-- there just isn't data.
I wouldn't therefore dismiss claims out of hand, despite the fact that they sound superficially quite silly. Schizophrenia? Perhaps, but don't dismiss this entirely. Liberty requires accomodating goofy, yet harmless people.
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No... aluminiumy.
We ARE poisoning them; but we are putting shit in their water!
HO! HO! HO!
They get all thirsty nailing up aluminun sheets to the side of their house in the blazing sun, then go and GUZZLE the tampered water!
Ho boy - what a riot! we laugh for hours.
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Do you have a source for this? I'm thinking its more likely the PVC fumes were more of a problem than the electric fields. A quick google search didn't give me anything. I should know this, but I'm not sure- I think PVC is a thermoset, so it can't really melt without chemical changes (whereas thermoplastics melt with heat, before bonds start breaking). I think most of the polymer "welding" is with chemical solvents- but my knowledge is far from applied.
By the way, I think you mean that the intensity of the field falls off as the square of the distance, but I've never heard it called the least squares rule. Could be an engineers thing, though.
What really made reply, though, is that I get surprisingly bothered by the use of "EMF" for electro-magnetic field- because my textbooks sometimes use "$\Epsilon$MF" for electro-motive force, ye olde fashioned way of saying 'voltage.' Thanks, and please excuse the hangup.
I had one of those days where I ran out of newspaper, masking paper, and still needed to pain some trim. So I used aluminium foil. I never got as much as a dirty look from anyone, except a couple of friends who asked me if I had problems with voices in my head. The only saftey issue I could think was if the sun hit the foil just right and blinded someone, but as it was applied mostly to the north side I didn't see it being a problem.
There is no sanctuary. There is no sanctuary. SHUT UP! There is no shut up. There is no shut up.
If the family suffering from this radio poisoning is reading this, I may have your answer:
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This house is right down the street from one of my friends. He says its a pretty odd place (obviously).
Hope to get some pictures soon.
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I almost lost my tinfoil hat falling off my chair!
... when I saw this story, it triggered some thing in my deep memory.. I had the same problem in Vancouver B.C. ten or so years ago with my neighbours, only one thing that saved me. My trusty tinfoil hat, yep.. made it myself, cna't buy ones like this in the stores no.. I never take it off not even to sleep.
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Works great make yours today!
TINFOIL HAT HOW-TO:
good for keeping evil radio waves gov't conspiricies/ufo's or phone companies from frying your brain with their long range EMF trickery or listening in on your private thoughts etc.
MATERIALS:
50' roll of off the shelf tinfoil (from local supermarket or grocer) [try not to let anyone see you buying it or they might think it's strange (avoid suspision)].
METHOD:
Just giv'er 30 - 40 good wraps around the old noggin', try not to have any unshielded spots, ( leakage can produce unexpected failure of the tinfoil hat's shielding properties)
MOD:
I put some cool viking horns on mine and it looks really cool now, my wife won't let me wear it in public though, she's embarassed or something.
ttfn,
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...cover my stupid apartment in tin foil. Is this a consipracy by the Reynolds company?
If you watch TFV, you can plainly see a pair of dish antennas, of the type that have built in microwave amplifiers. They undoubtably have coax cables running microwaves right into their house.
Hmmmm, anyone else find it "interesting" that these poor unfortunates are concerned about somebody's microwave oven tossing EMR at them but are, apparently, not concerned about the effects of the EMR from the satellites that are feeding their two satellite receivers? There's nothing on their roof and there are huge gaps in the sheeting that they have standing up against their house. No, those pesky little millimeter waves won't sneak through those spots.
;-)
If, after getting the obvious psychological help, these folks still "need" to protect themselves they ought to look into something like SAF'N SHIELDED (tm) from International Paper Co. which is a nonwoven mat of metallic fibers that can be applied to their inside walls. It's been TEMPEST-tested (some versions attenutate by 100db) by the U.S. government. Maybe they ought to contract for the services of a good TEMPEST engineer as well.
Then again, it's California
Ok, am I the only one that moused over the link and read "thecrackchannel.com" at first glance? :D
This is SLASHDOT, for God's sake, and no one has pointed out the obvious:
They just need to call up Scotty and get him to give them some transparent alumminum. That should stop the neighbors from complaining.
Sheesh. News for nerds? How can you call yourself nerds if you miss such an obvious, pathetic pun?
Coast to Coast AM with George Noory has this on as a subject right now (0124 EST, 0524UTC)
I think folks forget that the last rainy season we had two very strong storms complete with tornadoes (!) go through the South Natomas area of Sacramento. That house covered in all that metal "shielding" would be an extremely dangerous hazard in such a storm, since the metal pieces will be picked up by the strong winds and become a very serious projectile hazard.
Tinfoil on the inside of your house. After all, you don't want them to know you're on to them.
You know who I mean
R(k)
Jesus god! Check the spelling for chrissakes!
SACRAMENTO not Sacromento.
I love it when Taco calls himself a Journalist. Journalists can spell, and they have editors who correct spelling, just in case.
I, for one, welcome our new Antichrist overlord.
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Coral Cache of site, some of the images are coming up.
Me and my freinds regularly line our flack jackets and camaflage trousers with tin foil to block the radio waves from the Gahandiist supressionist gouvernmentists,Its worked so well that my Freinds are now all totaly invisible (Did imention they are aliens here to save us from the Ghandiist lizard men). .44 riffles with automatic clips all coverd in tin-foil as the lizard men can deactivate your guns otherwise and we need these guns as one day we will rise up and otherthrow the lizard men ghandiists .We shall bring about a new glory for the one true god Bill Murray Holly be his name. . . .
We all cary around
Our neighbours constantly bombard us with Electromagicnetic rays , We all feel it and it causes us to have excessive Gas when we drink beer (30 cans ).
So we painted our house with 5 layers of lead based paints we bought during the 60s
And we coated the asbesto and mercury in tin-foil for that added layer of safty
As bill murray taught us , we need to get the mole men lizard people gopherites
So more power to them and if the feds try removing their tinfoil we will rise up against the ghandiists in order to protect our god given right to Astroturf carpets
The only things certain in war are Propaganda and Death. You can never be sure which is which though
ROCK ON DJ8!! Gotta go...finishing up my tin foil wallpaper job.
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Not sure why I care (perhaps because I've seen the damage a redneck can do), but here's an archive with the pictures... It's pretty funny.
http://web.archive.org/web/20021015131654/http://Wasn't it written on the back of the CD case?
Some things just have to be seen in person. Luckily, I'm just a few blocks away!
Of course, I just waited for station identification and found out which AM station I was getting. It turned out that the 50KW AM station nearby away had one of their three towers collapse in the 1989 California earthquake. Until they replaced it, their output pattern was distorted. I was in a really strong lobe.
Adding a small bypass cap across the phone line helped the problem. But it took more filtering to completely cure it. I had to have the telco guys add some filtering on their side of the demark. And, years later, when I got DSL, that had to come out. Huge hassle. Three telco visits with test gear to get DSL working properly.
Family Takes Down Metal That Covered Home. html
POSTED: 11:12 am PDT May 23, 2005
UPDATED: 1:26 pm PDT May 23, 2005
http://www.thekcrachannel.com/news/4520485/detail
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NATOMAS, Calif. -- A house that neighbors called an eyesore is starting to blend in after a Sacramento family spent the weekend removing the metal covering their house.
The D'Souza family started taking it down this weekend. They claim neighbors are bombarding their home with harmful microwave radiation and it's making them sick.
The D'Souza's lined the inside and outside of their home with metal and aluminum to block the rays, but the Sacramento city building inspector ordered them to take it down by Monday.
The city says that all the metal is dangerous and that there is no evidence of radiation.
I thought it would be cool to see if you could see the aluminum panels from space using Google Maps. However, the entire area around the D'Souza's neighbors' house is greyed out in both the satellite maps and the roadmaps. Weird.
I'm sorry. They might be as crazy as SCO but private property is private property.
If the neighbors or the city really has something to gain with their house looking good they should either offer to pay for more attractive tin foil or offer to buy their house from them. Forcing a private property owner to decorate their home a certain way at gunpoint is not part of a free society.
I am suprised my neighbors haven't done that too. In my house I have a very nice Cisco RF hub in the study for my work network. In the kitchen is a Linksys WiFi hub for the kids broadband. And in the hallway is another Linksys for the server network I host for a few friends. Then there are the four cell phones, the bluetooth stuff and the iPOD FM retransmitters (2). So far I hanven't been diagnosed with cancer once, so I don't see what people are complaining about.
They seem to have forgotten that satellite TV is beamed at microwave frequencies. They need to cover the top of the house too! Actually, they could maybe rig a powerful laser into their dish and shoot the satellite down! That would do it.
...so thats where my neighbours moved to
Resident of Skara Brae since 1985
Come one, come all, see this site and admire the stylish and attractive choices.
Seriously, this guy worked for a real good friend of mine for a while, and he is real serious about this stuff.
Yow...
Got Wisdom?
This is absurd.
Hey, it's my OPINION that dogs have eight legs and make a sound like a car horn every time they take a piss.
Surely they whould be instructed on how to detect microwaves, so they can empirically test their paranoia.
Microwaves, like many other wavelengths can be harmful in very high doses.
The debate is whether they are harmful in the doses that people are recieving when using mobile phones/ Wi-Fi/ near a leaky oven.
Just as you can start a fire with a magnifying glass, microwaves can be focussed and concentrated, as every pringles can wardriver knows.
Clearly these people are experiencing ill effects. They have come up with a testable hypothesis, help them test it.
Sure they may be psychosomatic symptoms or it may be stress related, but to dismiss someones belief without suggesting empirical testing is as ignorant as pinning all yours hopes on an untested hypothesis.
I believe a radio can be used to detect microwaves, tune it to a frequency where the interference is greatest from a mobile phone and then it is a detector.
Obviously a radio is not operating GHz, is the radio detecting harmonic frequencies or local EMF?
Is there a more reliable yet easily available way to detect GHz radiation. If there were it could probably put a lot of peoples minds at rest or at least cause them to construct another hypothesis.
Mobile phones have not been proven to be safe, neither is the contrary true.
All too few studies have been done, some studies have concluded potentially harmful effects others not. The jury is out and in Britain our Surgeon General advises that young childrens use be limited.
The definition of paranoia is not an improbable hypothesis, it is maintaining a belief in the face of incontrovertable evidence.
only here could a story about tinfoil freaks turn into a serious discussion
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Yeah right, because humanity knows absolutely everything about the effect of electromagnetics after such a hugely long history of scientific endeavour of hundreds of thousands of years. Oh, wait
Remember Scottie's comment of "Barbarians"? Well it applies, and your calling those people freaks is the blind commenting on the blind.
We're just children thinking we understand the world.
There are many cases of people smoking heavily all their lives and outliving those who never smoked. I'm sure there are heavy smokers who never developed lung cancer.
This doesn't do anything to negate the position arrived at through years of study that cigarette smoking is a major causitive factor of lung cancer.
I'm not saying that living in the middle of a few wireless hubs is going to kill ya. I'm not saying it's perfectly healthy. Just keeping an open mind. I don't think all the evidence is in.
I think you're missing the point here.
They've been threatened with prosecution because of causing an eyesore, not because they're having mental issues.
The right response from them should have been to check how to achieve compliance with local bylaws. Quite possibly just a paint job would have sufficed. And quite poossibly they're already perfectly legal --- after all, many modern houses are made in metal and reflective glass these days.
Unless local bylaws state that building materials must not be reflective to electromagnetics, they haven't actually done anything wrong on that score. The neighbours are merely complaining that it's unsightly.
Ie I swing towards the darkside but not asmuch as say a sith lord, anyway.
I propose asmany slash dotters as possible surround said house and aim all there mobiles/buetooth devices 802.11x/ham radios/microwaves and on the count of 3 start a 5 minute bombardment. I for one think it woul be funny to watch them run about trying to save there brains.
Or is it just me who thinks the mentaly ill are hear for my enjoyment?
In the not too distant future, next Sunday A.D.
Well the sad thing is that what they're doing might not even be effective for what they want to achieve. You have to be able to measure the shielding effect of a material at the relevant frequencies before you can tell.
What they should have done is call in some well-equiped radio hams for full-spectrum monitoring, or even to install monitors for them in the house permanently. They wouldn't need to be licensed for pure reception.
While it may seem pointless to us, if it seems sensible to them then they ought to check that it's working at least.
Absolute undeniable proof that the government is transmitting mind rays and doesn't want you wearing tin foil hats..
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I had to say it after reading Aluminum too many times.
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See:
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/aluminium
(May not work outside uk, try appending ?view=uk)
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=23
I have been told the history on why Americans call it wrong, but I forget
Hey - Just because you are paranoid doesn't mena they're not out to get you!
-.sig sauer-
They'd only have to line the ground floor with metal if they sunk a large basement and lived there ... the ground is pretty impervious to most electromagnetic radiation, except at extremely low frequencies down near the audio range.
Hell, belt and braces, might as well line all six sides of the basement with metal if one is that paranoid. No chance of that being an eyesore to neighbours.
Actually all radio workers, including HAMs and radar technicians, are routinely taught about the short-range thermal effects of RF power.
This form compares simulated exposures with the recommended limits. It says you should not stand at less than 6 feet from an antenna transmitting 100W at 900MHz, or less than 6 inches from a cellphone transmitting 1W.
The uncertainty is about possible long-range non-thermal effects.
maybe they suffer from
aluminum poisoning .
I wouldn`t want to live to such a guy. Calls the police right after you have a party the second time....
He should care about his own shit and not what other people are doing.
The way they have that sheet metal with gaps between the sheets, it's not very effective against most EMI, and even if they had a good shield, it'd be no match for any other types of radiation that could creep up.
There are so many things that could cause wierd health problems, and EMI isn't very high on the list. I'd check for allergies first, then for toxic crap in the air/water, and only then for radiation, and I'd start with gamma/neutron from radon and the like before even thinking of EMI. Unless you have a power line or a radio tower in your back yard, you are just not close enough to the source to be hit hard enough to cause health problems.
I just can't get over that article last year about that woman that stuck her computer under the floorboards because she thought it was emitting toxic vapors at her, but she really was allergic to her cat. Tinfoil or sheetmetal, something probably is making them sick.
I wish I had a good quote to put in here but our intolerance of different views and ways of doing things is one of the basic limitations of people. Intolerance has no survival value - that I can see - in our crowded age. In less crowded times the family that suffered intolerance could move to a less populated area but those days are over. Personally I like the biblical passage: "judge not or you will be judged". In other words mind you own business. But it is hardly practiced today.
that Portuguese are very smart people!
We're all secretly hoping it turns out to help keep the popcorn from exploding and wrecking the house.
Well, sheet metal does in fact block microwaves and there are microwaves all around us that you actually might want to block. The emissions of your neighbor's wlan and bluetooth equipment as well as their wireless and mobile phones come to mind.
Do the microwaves cause health problems? Unlikely, I'd say, but the question is not settled yet. These people may be hypochondric, but they are not paranoid.
Anyway, the neighbor's wlan may not degrade your brain, but it does degrade your own wlan performance, and tin foil certainly helps there. It also makes eavesdropping harder, which may be a valid concern, too.
All of that metal might attract a tornado that thought it was a trailer park.
On the other hand, try being the one _propagating_ the radio waves. Flight path restrictions exempted, amateur radio operators have a federal license to a 100 foot tower and 1000 watts output. Happy homeowners' meeting announcing that.
Its sad how if you don't agree with one way of thinking your automatically tagged as the complete opposite. If not liberal then crazy religeous nut case, if not religeous, then ignorant liberal.
:(
That's why there are "Fascists" and now "Liberal Fascists", the scary thing is the latter don't see it.
Aside from the noise, it's his property and none of your damn business what he does with it...same for D'Souza family...
The only person to note the fact that you don't give lithium to schizophrenics. It's for mood control, particularly of individuals experiencing a manic phase. It's often, though not solely, used for control of bi-polar disorders.
Anyone else have a shrink for a parent?
There's another forum for stupid shiat like this.
Or is this the best we can do anymore?
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
I don't even want to look at my neighbor. I certainly don't want to talk to him. Home is where we get away from human interaction.
Maybe I'm just not awake yet... www.thekcrachannel.com just didn't look right when I glanced at it.
I can't see any reason for paranoia from here? But seriously, it looks like they had taken it down before slashdot got to it. http://www.thekcrachannel.com/news/4520485/detail. html
From your dictionary discription it sounds as if these liberals could be nice guys but, Mr. Anderson, as you well know appearences can be deceiving...
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Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas
Check out reactions of "News for nerds" for the "starwars fans in costume" video story.
free from bigotry
Every one who doesnt agree with a liberal is obviously a racist fascist.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others
Lowering standards, grade inflation, prizes for all + see above TWO reasons.
Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain,
Canada, and the United States.
Will never get into power, so can always be the good guys. Sort of like the "I love mummy because daddy always gives the punshment" reasoning.
Yes, it's a community code. It means the community got together and a majority decided that they wanted to live in an area with certain rules. Nobody is forced to live in the community and that same community can act to modify those codes whenever they please.
This has nothing to do with race, national pride, or an unchecked autocracy. Therefore, the fascism label simply doesn't apply. I suggest you learn the meaning of a word before you start throwing it around.
It's not about high power microwaves causing ionization within cells. It's about something which is simply never discussed in any of the debates.
The fact of the matter is that animal cells and brain cells in particular are designed to respond to in a wide variety of ways to extremely low level electrical currents. This is why gyrating metallic acupuncture needles inserted into key spots on the body can turn pain on and off, affect healing, etc. Brain chemistry is definitely affected by RF. This is not in question, and it is why the debate has been deliberately side-lined into the barely relevant Cancer issue.
Fuzzy, groggy thinking is a direct result of RF pollution. You would be wise to do some research on this subject. There are demonstrable systems through which it is known that RF can affect cells. Pediatrician, Robert O. Becker had spent the last fifty years studying electricity and its relationship to living tissue and the human body.
-FL
EMF doesn't cause anything in people? Go stand in front of an x-ray or gamma ray source and repeat that until you die of cancer. Or buy a MW transciever take the shielding off and see how long you can stand being in the room.
Posthuman since 2001.
Maybe they should have made the siding a bit more in line with homeowners requirements, like these guys do:p x
http://www.alcoa.com/alcoahomes/Content/Siding.as
Ironically, if you seperate yourself from the world and live in a radiation-free environment, you get sick. Your body relies on repairing damage caused by low-level radiation. We've evloved with it since the beginning of time. The thing is if there is not enough damage to be detected the whole system doesn't get used and "backs up" like a clogged drain, while the undedected damage does not get repaired, ever and that leads to more problems later.
I could venture to say it is that they put it up in the first place and now block the radiation that is actually making them sick. What started out as a safety concern is actually converted to a safety hazard by removing the concern.
Slashdot's rate-of-post filter: Preventing you from posting too many great ideas at once.
In all seriousness, who cares if it is ugly and who cares if the neighbors value goes down. T.S.
They should just be glad the guy doesn't like to masturbate in the living room at night with the curtains open and lights on.If anybody is not offended by this post, then I apologize, it was an oversight on my part.
the irony is they don't appear to be wearing hats in that photo, thus exposing them to the major source of radiation - the sun
If you mod me down, I will become more powerful than you can imagine....
I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here and suggest something.
;-)
Why don't these people just paint a few layers of metal paint over their walls then paint over the last layer with normal paint?
Is it that there's not enough metal in the paint itself to make it worthwhile or is it harder to get?
Inquiring paranoids want to know...
"Bah!" - Dogbert
She was outside her house being interviewed WITHOUT her tinfoil hat!!!!!
The really sad thing about this is the fact that in a couple of weeks the news people will be back again. They'll be doing a story about how the family went on a neighborhood killing rampage after being forced to remove their protective screens; the renewed radiation doses having driving them to become homicidal.
What will the surviving neighbors say then?
I personally am stocking up on foil.
"Well Ranger Brad, I'm a scientist. I don't believe in anything." - Dr. Roger Fleming
Here in backwater Oklahoma you'll see plenty of people lining the windows of their homes, apartments, and trailers with aluminum foil. Of course it may have more to do with hiding their meth lab than protecting them from the orbital mind control lasers.
"You'll get nothing, and you'll like it!"
Get it right or the aliens won't be able to find us on Google Maps.
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Your property value is your problem.
Which is precisely why I would pursue someone who devalued my property. Freedom is a great thing, but you have to understand that your rights end promptly where mine begin.
While it's not pretty, and requires some paint now and again, steel siding could solve a lot of 'Interference' problems. Back in the late 70's my Apple ][ would cause TV reception problems for the woman downstairs. I finally set it on a metal file cabinet and grounded it. She could no longer tell when I had the computer on. If I walk down my alley with my hp 4705 I get a new wireless network every few steps. One guy can't pick up his own wireless in his bedroom because the next house down's signal is so much stronger. In the long run we need to better understand the role of wireless in our society, not from a technical standpoint, but from a human one. How can we improve our circumstances while not degrading the situation of others?
"Can there be a Klein bottle that is an efficient and effective beer pitcher?"
The guy (JD8) is most likely a meth addict. I've had several in my family and a handful of friends who have dabbled in it. It's not so much the late night parties; it's more the working on his car and his house at 2:00 or 3:00 or 5:00 A.M. bit. People tend to not sleep for several days at a run when they're tweaking.
Plus, it's the most redneck drug available.
Loose, heavy stuff on structures can fall and injure even in a mild quake. You need to attach the alumninum siding well.
A local reporter was able to snatch a photo of the inside of the home before being wisked away by Sacramento Police. Here is the picture. http://www.goodwyn.net/blog/images/AluminumFoilOff icePrank.jpg
Naah, something here reeks of retardation or criminality, or p(ossib|robab)ly both...
I wonder how much taxes would an owner save a year if the value of a house goes down?
For example, here in Toronto there is a group that wants to "protect" certain "lovely Victorian neighborhoods". Now, who feels nostalgic about the Victorian era? An era of racist imperialist conquering, an era of horrible sexual repression? Clearly this is the values of white upper class people feeling nostalgic about an era when they ruled the world.
Ah yes, it's the white man that's keeping you down. Blame whitey for all your problems. If whites want to keep their neighborhood looking nice, it must be wrong and racist. However, when Chinese people want to keep developers from building public buildings in Chinatown, the resistance is applauded because they want to preserve the Chinese culture in Chinatown.
When people want to keep white trash out of their town, again you complain. Who wants a sloppy redneck living next door with old cars laying on his lawn? It's going to lower the property value of your house.
A pun (also known as paronomasia) is a deliberate confusion of similar-sounding words or phrases for comic or serious effect.
Not a Twitter sockpuppet... but I wish I was.
Do you rent, live in your Mother's basement, or just sponge off some friends?
"Live Free or Die." Don't like it? Then keep out of the USA
I don't see where people suffering from obvious mental problems should be a source for humor. This is certainly a low point for /.
Cali meaning Heat
Forni as in Fornication
nia as in Narnia (A magical land)
The Magical land of Hot Sex?
And you wonder why this stuff goes on there.
Sorry about the writing. Robot fingers, you know? Cliff Steele in DOOM PATROL #23
America has many problems, most of which have been frequently pointed out on slashdot, where tinfoil hats are de'rigueur. I think this story points to the conflict between individual rights (a basic measure of freedom), and the mis-application of "democracy" to force the desires of the majority on everyone else.
Most people live in white houses, obviously that's the preferred color. Perhaps it should be illegal for me to live in an offensive green one. Catholics outnumber all other religions, why SHOULDN'T they be able pass a law requireing the rest of us to attend mass, after all it's DEMOCRACY. The Religious right doesn't think we should do stem-cell research -- guess we'd better cut federal funding from one of the most promising fields since antibiotics.
Unless he's endangering his family or neighbors, they should leave this family alone. Protecting propterty values by heavy-handed regulation should NOT the mandate of the government in a free society.
http://eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php
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Hip, hip, hip, hooray
My tinfoil hat will save me from your mind-controlling ray!
Actually the first thing that came to mind when I saw that was a reminder of a TV science show I saw a while back. Apparently if you have a part of your house where you have very poor cellphone signal a good way to improve it is to stick a length of tinfoil to the wall about level with the height you typically have the phone (i.e. head height for most people). To get the best results try to put it on the wall opposite where the nearest mast is (i.e. if the nearest mast is east of you put it on the western wall) and try to stand very close to the foil. For various reasons I didn't understand when we did them in Electronics and still don't fully understand this improves the signal strength.
Stephen
"Don't write down to your readers, the only people less intelligent than you can't read" - Sign on Newspaper Office Wall
Not everywhere in the US has building codes.
Clay County, AL, where I own land, only has
Health Department rules for septic systems,
but no building department that you have to
get a construction permit from.
Having said that, it would be wise to get
plans for a house reviewed by an engineer
and inspected when built. The government may
not stop you from building, but an insurance
company may decline to insure it if it is
not built to some standard.
Daniel
You make good points, but I see no reason not to want to preserve a 'historical district' by making it law that the buildings must have a certain look.
If the laws also required women to wear corsettes, and non-Bible-lovers to be assualted...then you might have something.
Blar.
...under your very own private rock.
Uhh... and another thing, I'll be VERY disapointed with you if an airport gets built infront of your rock and you start bitching about being unable to sleep and the loud noise.
These people would have past for neighbours where I grew up. We lived in the middle of the city, not a single block more than a quarter acre. Over the course of 6 years our neighbour had in her backyard: 4 dogs, 38 cats, 6 geese, 10 chickens, a pig! and a horse!... Then if our luck wasn't bad enough they moved out and an alcoholic who gave people he met at the pub board in return for fixing his house moved in. At night I got to hear them, completely shitfaced on alcohol, talking about how you can still have a perfectly good conversation with someone who wasn't university educated. Almost put me off education for life. I would have killed to live next to tin foil house people :P
when they need to make an emergency call and the signal can't get out.
Tag lost or not installed.
> it doesn't matter, there are no rules in war.
At the risk of being considered a troll, I should point out that this is an entirely American viewpoint. Other countries do have rules, even during wartime.
Changa hates change.
Must get lonely out there in the middle of Montana or North Dakota or wherever you are, hours away from any other civilisation. You should get into town more--despite being "fascist" the good citizens of those towns really are nice people.
Seriously though I'm guessing you have a bit of a warped sense of humour or you are a masterfull troll. Besides the fact that there ARE health and safety concerns associsted with prostitution and scrap vehicles, a typical community code is quite reasonable. If all people were reasonable and considerate there would be no need for such codes.
Alas, a small but significant minority of people are complete jackasses. Given the chance these people will paint their houses hot pink with purple, orange and yellow trim and park a rusty old truck with two flat tires on the front lawn under the shade of their 12-foot C-Band dish (the one that pipes hard-core porn into their living room which they view with the volume on so high everyone on the block can count the orgasms).
These codes might not be about health and safety, but they are about the right of law abiding citizens to live in realtive peace. Unfortunately, there are other types of jackasses who are the opposite--these are the ones that insist on hearing their favourite pins drop after 9PM, mow their lawns in a checkerboard pattern and wish everyone would do the same, and hold up city business with requests for more traffic-calming measures, more noise bylaws and more regulation of every little thing that slightly annoys them.
If you find you are living in a redneck hellhole, or nazi-Stepford-suburbia there is a way to stop the madness. It is called "civic duty". Get involved in politics--especially at the local level. Attend the odd community planning meeting, endorse non-wacky candidates for office and vote for them...or at least vote for cryin' out loud. The latter form of jackass knows this already, and that is why California is so whacked that a government led by Conan the Barbarian is actually a vast improvement over the previous rock-bottom situation with Davis.
Here in Toronto, it is Chinese immigrants, as well as other immigrants, who are funding new development, starting new buisnesses, creating most of the new jobs, and adding to the economic and cultural wealth of everyone. And it is the white upper-class who are constantly trying to stop development or growth by using these "community standards" arguments. Of course, a wealthy white person doesn't need to worry about creating new jobs and buisnesses (because they are happy to have their established buisness have no competition, and they already have a job). Rich white people own most of the rental housing, so do they want to see new development of housing that lowers prices and competes with them? No.
Stop blaming white people for all the world's problems. You might it sound like there's some vast white conspiracy aimed at keeping everyone else down. When a minority succeeds, you consider him "successful". When a white person succeeds, you consider him an "oppressor".
Quit your whining.
One entry found for fascism.
Main Entry: fas·cism
Pronunciation: 'fa-"shi-z&m also 'fa-"si-
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control.
Nothing in the above definition (from merriam webster online) says a thing about the majority. And why would it? Fascism comes from the idiot majority getting too much power in their walmart-grubbing hands. If my recollection of history lessons is accurate, I believe the vast majorities of nazi germany and fascist italy both strongly supported the policies of "strong autocratic or dictatorial control". Mussolini himself defined fascism as "the merging of state and corporate power."
Fascist policies on how a neighborhood looks may seem minor in comparison to the Patriot Act for example, but it's all part of the same mojo, snowballing its way up to mandatory church attendance and prayer-based corporate control of the minds and pocketbooks of america. It starts with small-minded suppression of dissent.
O~ Him that studies revenge keeps his own wounds green. -- Francis Bacon
Still clinging to the past, and stuck on your idiotic view of some things as bad. Rampant promiscuity? Hear hear! I personally have shagged over 60 different women, a magnificent feat I could not have accomplished under your christian/victorian repression without spending a lot of damn money on prostitutes and exposing myself to greatly increased risk of the STDs you're on about. People haven't changed; they're promiscuous and non-monagamous by nature.
Divorce? Yeah, now a woman can get away from a control freak like you who starts beating her 6 months after their marriage. Or people who married too young/naive/stupid etc can learn from their mistakes and make better choices next time.
Come to think of it, it DOES sound like an improvement. Why don't you? Oh, yeah, it's dark in the place you've got your head stuck up into. You can't see how much better things are.
O~ Him that studies revenge keeps his own wounds green. -- Francis Bacon
Remember that paint containing aluminum that you could paint your walls/ceiling with to block your neighbors from surfing on your unencrypted 802.11 AP ?
Perhaps he meant "sack of Mentos", "shack with Leno", or "scrawny Hindu"...
WHO NEEDS SHIFT WHEN YOU HAVE CAPSLOCK/ DAMN1
Like anywhere with Palos Verdes in the name in Los Angeles County, Rancho Palos Verdes, Palos Verdes Estates, etc.
The Soviet Socialist Republik of Kalifornia has more nuts and more rules than any other group of commies combined. Where else could a Socialist Liberal from Austria call himself a Republican and get elected as Governator? Where else do people that live in cities that never see snow or mud buy huge 4WD vehicles and complain because SUVs don't have trunks to put all their junk in? Where else is the majority of the english speaking population incapable of reading "No Parking" signs?
The problem with those people putting sheet metal on their house isn't that they're nuts, it's only that they're the wrong kind of nuts. If they had claimed, instead of protecting themselves from hostile orgones that they were protecting a rare beetle that took up nesting in their siding, the city would have given them an environmental award. Everyone in Kalifornia knows that rare bugs are more important than brain synapses, sheesh.
The neighbors' property is being affected significantly; its value is probably falling by 20-30%, which could, for example, represent the difference between being able to afford cancer treatment and dying. That sounds like suffering to me.
No, it's not "suffering". It's just the market. The neighbours don't have the right to unchanging market conditions, nor should they.
If the tinfoil cult somehow catches on, and suddenly lots of people wants to live near a tinfoil house, and property values go up, do the tinfoil nuts suddenly get to complain that the neighbours caused them "sufffering"? After all, by not foiling, the neighbours are bringing property values down, right?
No? Then why should the tinfoil people be punished for market flucations? People have different tastes: the market does what it does, and no one has the right to control other people's property to gain a market advantage.
Otherwise, you end up with ridiculous situations, like a person of a different race not being legally allowed to move into a racist neighbourhood, because of the real, tangible decline in "property values" this can cause.
Hint: loss of "property values" aren't a real financial loss; it's a loss of an opportunity to sell at a given price, and people have the choice to sell or not sell at a given price all the time.
It's called a "market", and it's called "capitalism". Look into it.
It isn't widely publicized -- although it does leak into the mainstream media, occasionally, as in this case -- but thousands of people are reporting that criminals are using microwave radiation to attack them.
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This is not just in the USA -- also in Britain, France, Germany.
For example, Germany: http://www.mikrowellenterror.de/
Almost all the posts I've scanned, at least those that are on topic, immediately dismiss these people's claims as absurd.
WHY? I'm sure you could easily modify a microwave oven yourself, and use it to harass your neihbors, if you wanted. I guess if you have such an inclination, you now know you are safe to go ahead. Anyone who complains about your attacks will be dismissed as paranoid. Hey, why not place a microwave oven where you can activate and control it by remote, and give this theory a test. It will be almost impossible for you to be caught, so why not?
Potential military and covert use of microwave radiation is an active area of research. (Obviously not just microwave, but rather all forms of beamable radiation. Actually, implanted devices as well.)
I believe I am a victim of involuntary experimentation in this research, my story is at http://www.geocities.com/mrmistermicko
Another informative site (perhaps the best, actually): http://www.datafilter.com/mc
I've seen your pic grandpa, 60 women when you're pushing 50 is no great feat.
LK
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