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Windows iTunes Sells A Million Songs In 3.5 Days
ajkst1 writes "According to an Apple press release, the iTunes Music Store has sold 1 million songs since its release on the Windows platform on October 16. Also of note is the 1 million downloads of the iTunes music program itself. When the iTMS was first released, it took a full week to sell a million songs. The store has now had 14 million songs purchased and downloaded since its original launch in April."
Me first
No Run DMC a major hole in the service.
Onward to the Aether Sphere!
looking at the napster site i can see why it is so important that itunes be the standard. (check out the partners bit)
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One Million Songs Purchased by iTunes Users in Three and a Half Days
CUPERTINO, California--October 20, 2003--Apple(R) today announced that Windows users have downloaded more than one million copies of its new iTunes(TM) for Windows digital jukebox software in just three and a half days since its launch last Thursday, and over one million songs have been purchased and downloaded by iTunes users in the same period.
"iTunes users have purchased over one million songs in the first three and a half days since our launch last Thursday, which compares with one million songs in the first seven days when we introduced the original iTunes for Mac users last April," said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO. "We're off to a great start, and our competition isn't even out of the starting gates yet."
The iTunes Music Store has revolutionized the way people legally buy music online. An astounding 14 million songs have been purchased and downloaded since the original iTunes Music Store launch in April, solidifying the iTunes Music Store's position as the number one download music service in the world.
The second generation iTunes Music Store offers Windows users the same online music store as Mac(R) users with the same music catalog, the same "gold standard" personal use rights and the same 99 cents-per-song pricing. The second generation iTunes Music Store launched last week includes online gift certificates for family and friends; Apple's innovative and patent-pending online "Allowance" feature which allows parents to automatically deposit funds into their kids' iTunes Music Store account every month; more than 5,000 audiobooks which can be purchased with one click and listened to on any Mac or Windows computer as well as on iPods; Celebrity Playlists; and new exclusive tracks from more than 60 artists. With music from all five major music companies and over 200 independent music labels, the iTunes Music Store catalog is growing every day and will offer more than 400,000 songs by the end of October.
Apple offers the unbeatable combination of the award-winning iTunes digital jukebox software, the pioneering iTunes Music Store and the market-leading iPod(TM) digital music player, providing music lovers with a seamless experience for buying, managing and listening to their digital music collections anywhere.
Windows iPod users can now use their iPod with the award-winning iTunes digital jukebox software and enjoy the best digital music experience on any platform. iTunes for Windows includes all the same great features that made it the best digital jukebox software for the Mac--a free download with no hidden charges for extra features, MP3 and pristine quality AAC encoding from audio CDs, Smart Playlists, over 250 free Internet radio stations, and the ability to burn custom playlists to CDs and MP3 CDs, burn content to DVDs to back-up an entire music collection and share music between computers via Rendezvous(TM) over any network, cross-platform.
Apple ignited the personal computer revolution in the 1970s with the Apple II and reinvented the personal computer in the 1980s with the Macintosh. Apple is committed to bringing the best personal computing experience to students, educators, creative professionals and consumers around the world through its innovative hardware, software and Internet offerings.
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This sounds a lot like the dot com days to me. They are selling songs for 99 cents a piece, nearly all of which the RIAA is taking back. Not to mention that the software's been downloaded 1,000,000 times and they've only sold about 1,000,000 songs for the same period. Not much if you ask me. The bandwidth probably costs more than their profit.
If I don't have a mc, windows, or an ipod, am I left out in the cold?
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I need to go buy some Apple stock!
My only question is, how sustainable is this? With the lack of good music today, will sales stagnate after people buy all their old favorites? I know that Apple has allowed Indie publishers to sign up, but I personally haven't (yet) heard anything I'd pay money for.
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This morning when the headline broke it was a million in three days.
If you disagree then it must be overrated, redundant or trolling.
The only problem with ITunes is that it uses MP4 files (DRM'ed). If they changed the format to MP3, I'd buy it in a second. Until then, Kazaa it is...
I am a homosexual. I bought an Apple computer because of its well earned reputation for being "the" gay computer. Since I have become an Apple owner, I have been exposed to a whole new world of gay friends. It is really a pleasure to meet and compute with other homos such as myself. I plan on using my new Apple computer as a way to entice and recruit young schoolboys into the homosexual lifestyle; it would be so helpful if you could produce more software which would appeal to young boys. Thanks in advance.
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Father Randy "Pudge" O'Day, S.J.
I bet Apple's executives are listening to Pink Floyd's song "Money" !
Expect iPod sales to soar into the holidays. Apple made something very difficult seem very simple to the end user, and now they're being rewarded.
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From my understanding, because at macrumors.com, some people were a little confused, is that the Windows version of iTunes had 1 million downloads and as a result iTMS, had sold 1 million songs in 3.5 days. They wern't specifying specifically that Windows users downloaded 1 million songs.
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>> Windows iTunes Sells A Million Songs In 3.5 Days
Incorrect.
Fact: There were 1 million downloads of iTunes for Windows.
Fact: Between Windows and Mac there were one million songs in 3.5 days.
but if you read it carefully it just says the 1M are "by iTunes users," i.e. including existing Mac users.
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Thanks for your letter. Being Catholic myself, I know exactly what you're talking about! It has always been our plan here at Apple Computer Inc to revolutionize personal computing with our high-quality and highly gay products.
I'm happy to answer your letter by letting you know that YES we will be releasing an entire hLife ("homo-life") software line. You'll be able to recognize it in stores by the small stylized logo depicting a large cock entering a tight anus with an Apple logo on it. ("Suddenly it all comes together" indeed!).
Anyway, I hope you and other members of our community will join us on our mission, and purchase the exciting new hLife boxed set. Only the boxed set comes with translucent cock rings!
Sincerely,
Harry Rodman
Vice-president
Homosexual Liaison Services
Apple Computer, Inc.
one of the problems I have with the service is that album pricing can be a bit uneven. There are too many albums (ex: NWA's greatest hits) that have an "extra" song or two added to them that then are not available for the $9.99 download because, well, you'd be getting MORE than just the album. (In the NWA case that's BS, but whatever.) Also, new albums (such as Snoop's Paid the Cost to be the Boss) don't always sell for $9.99. When I went to buy Cost a couple of months ago, it was $17 or $18. That being said, I've probably purchased $80 or so worth of music since iTunes 4 came out for Mac. Best purchase so far: Placido Domingo's album of Mariachi music.
anyone got the stats on how other file sharing services stack up to iTunes? I bet iTunes is no where close.
-Seriv
dont think anyone from Canada downloaded many of those 1 million songs from the last 3.5 days.
I downloaded iTunes on Wednesday and used it to buy an album that night. Even though I'm on 56k dial-up, it downloaded flawlessly (although it did take about 4 hours, as I expected). I have to say that I'm pretty impressed - for a free jukebox program, it's really high quality. It still has some issues and bugs that could be polished out of it, but overall it's a well designed and easy to use program that I have no major complaints about. It's heads and tails above Windows Media Player 9, and a better jukebox than Winamp (although I think Winamp is still a better standalone player). If Jobs can play his cards right, this could be big.
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think about that next time you are stealing music off the computer. he sent his only son to DIE so you could be redeemed of all your sins. don't waste the only chance you are gonna get...
one million idiots buying crippled songs? so many idiots around?
I hope every one isn't posted to the front page like when iTMS first came out.
Seriously, I think iTMS for WIndows is going to be much bigger than most people have given it credit for. M$ can dismiss is all they want, but unless they have something better to offer I'm not seeing much viable competition. It amazes me that after Apple overwhelmingly demonstrated to the marketplace that customers don't want subscription fees or cutthroat DRM, there are still companies out there trying to make those business models work. Oh well, meanwhile iTunes will rise to the top fast.
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I wonder how worried MS is by this, as it certainly is proving popular. It is potentially a strong foothold in the market for Apple, and knowing how Microsoft likes to get it's fingers in as many pies as it can, you've got to know they're going to decide they want a slice of this one soon.
So, do you think Apple can hold out if Microsoft decided to bundle "Miscrosoft Music Store" in the next version of Windows Media Player? Would people bother to download iTunes to use iTMS, or would they just use what was put in front of them? Comes down to marketing too I guess...
It will certainly prove to be an interesting fight.
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Microsoft already said that iTunes on Windows fails it. This million songs story is a fabrication. Obviously, it was planted by those Linux hippies/hippoes.
The iTunes Music Store has revolutionized the way people legally buy music online. An astounding 14 million penises have been purchased and downloaded into Taco's twitching anus since the original iTunes Music Store launch in April
I don't think saving $2 on an album is that great of a bargain when the compression is lossy and you factor in the cost of disc and jewel case.
Quicktime and iTunesHelper are both loaded at computer startup and happily sit in the background, guzzling memory (iTunesHelper is 3 MB, for example). Does this crap really need to run when I'm not using it?
Arbitrary restrictions on burning a playlist (10 burns, then you have to mess with it to burn more) seems a bit silly.
That said, I do like the store browsing, and getting 30sec of good quality samples on the music is pretty nice, although I'd prefer full song at low quality (might be a problem with Audiobooks, but they've proven they can differentiate the two.)
At this point, I'm going to stick with buying used and ripping the stuff into Windows Media Player. The interface is better, it doesn't automatically suck memory when I'm not using it, and the visualization runs at more than 3fps.
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Apple's innovative and patent-pending online "Allowance" feature which allows parents to automatically deposit funds into their kids' iTunes Music Store account every month;
Yet another worthless, obvious patent. Sigh.
osViews has a good discussion about this news already.
At least Sir Haxalot keeps his posts to smaller sites, this is just ridiculous.
I see a song on an album, buy it, think it's cool and have to buy the albom for another $10....there's no way to reconcile that you've already paid $1 for the song.
Oh, and streaming rendezvous(sp?) from onr machine to another borked the firewall/router/basestation/toaster so hard I had to go power cycle it...but I can't blaim iTunes without a little more testing.
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Praise be to Apple and Steve Jobs for figuring out that there is a better way to distribute music in this day and age.
/. have an indie band, and have you tried to deal with iTunes? Any experiences/comments would be most welcome...
Once I get my finances situated, I'm off to download iTunes and get started. It's about time that someone realized that yes, there is in fact a good online music business model.
Now, how to go about getting them to sell my band's music on the store? Since we don't have a label, the split of sales would be a bit different, I'd assume there would have to be a different deal structure worked out. Does anyone else here on
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Well for only a few days that ain't half-bad, I really love the system they've got going in the iTunes Music store, I dun think Napster is really gonna use it's "huge market potential because of brand recognition" as much as ppl think, more like "wth, you have to PAY??", unless napster pulls some very nice stuff with their client, iTunes should stay ahead of the game(hopefully).
only wish they would break the country boundary (yes I know that's not easy)
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Is something wrong with mine? It keeps telling me it can't connect to the store because it is busy.
I am over here... now I am back over here!
The more I think about it, the more clever it seems.
So you can get iTunes for free. Ho-friggin-ray. And you can rip MP3's to your hearts content, so they work with *all* MP3 players.
Wait - Windows Media Player rips to WMA by default. Oh, it does MP3's, but you have to pay more to get it to work better than crap.
Ok, so what. Yeah, it's a good app.
And it lets you burn CD's - music and data, right from the playlist.
For free.
And all the other machines in the house - they can stream off that, so I just put all my MP3's on one box, put iTunes on the other computers, and stream from there.
Ok, that is kind of cool. Check out the online store. You know, I've only wanted to buy 1 song off this album. Cool - I just did. Only cost $1 - that's not too bad.
And I can burn it to a music CD, or put it on 2 more machines.
Then comes the fall. You know, I wanted to get an MP3 player anyway. For some insane reason (you had an additional $300), you get an iPod.
Don't need a Mac, and it works just fine with your Windows and iTunes.
But hold on - turns out you can use this iPod thing with digital camera and upload the pictures to the iPod, and from there to the computer. Oh, but you need a Mac for that.
You know, what do I use my computer for? Email, a few games - huh, that Aspyr company is porting over the ones I really like anyway -
Man, and this other stuff comes free with a Mac - a movie editor, a browser that blocks popup ads by default, there's less virus problems -
Hm....
Now, I don't think everybody will consider gong to the Mac just because of the iTunes store.
But having "hip 20-to-30-somethings" tell us how switching to the Mac is "the bomb" really didn't work.
So Steve Jobs is changing tactics: Go ahead, take a bite of this apple. It's free! It will just give you knowledge! Or, barring that, a pretty kick ass music player!
Next thing people know, they realize that they've been living naked under Windows for a long time, and start to make themselves aprons from leaves.
In this case, by plucking them from the Apple tree.
I'm curious to see what will happen from here. Remember: Apple doesn't need to dominate the market. It already makes a profit with its products now, and it happy to do so.
This will just give it the chance to make more profit - and maybe show people what they've been missing along the way.
Of course, this is just my opinion - I could be wrong.
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It seems that Apple's taught the world to "iTune".
Giving everyone iTunes is the choice of the next generation.
I can't decide which cola provider they should have gone with. Oh well, as long as Brittney isn't singing with an iPod I think I can deal.
I'm not surprised by this release. I would think that there is a massive amount of built-up demand among Windows users for the goodness and convenience that is iPod and iTunes.
Personally, I'd love to be able to scan music online and get what I want. Until now, that usually meant some website or some questionable methods. Both options don't really float my boat 'cause it isn't a service designed for the distribution and enjoyment of music, as in from finding it, obtaining it, listening to it, and storing it for future listenings using a single method.
Now that Apple has show the world that not all online music listerns are 1337 k1dd13z, maybe we can continue with these developments, and we can stop hearing some organizations whine.
Yeah, I know they only got their licensing agreements because of their small marketshare but this is the kind of hesitation that is costing the music industry huge amounts of money. If they'd jumped in with both feet, they could have revolutionized (even more so) music distribution.
Instead, they insisted on going with Apple's 2.something percent marketshare as "an experiment" to see what would happen. Even a 12 year old could see what would happen if it worked. Copycats would pop up with inferior products. The first major lookalike for PC people was buy.music with all its irritating restrictions and inconsistant licensing.
People who got burned by buy.music are less likely to try the itunes store now that it's finally available to them. Sure, Apple sold a million windows tunes twice as fast as their first million mac tunes but that's not nearly as many songs as they should have sold. Would have sold if they hadn't crippled their launch earlier this year.
People wonder how a company with such great products can have such a small marketshare. This is the reason. They put out their incredible, groundbreaking products with technically unnecessary restrictions that force them into a tiny niche market while less conservative companies toss out cheap knockoffs for the mass market.
I'm glad I don't own a part of Apple. I'd be depressed that my investment could (should) be worth so much more.
That Apple computers are still overpriced hunks of proprietary poo poo.
SO THERE you damn Apple bigots. Eat a bag of dicks, bich!
Apple is doing the reverse. Selling the "software" (or music in this case) for cheap while (hopefully) profiting on sales of iPods and iPod accessories.
It would be a PR bonus if Apple is using it's own XServe dogfood to handle the iTunes traffic (and Apple made some noise about it).
I dont think I will use the iTMS for full albums. I am still to attached to tangible cd's and such. They are just nice. But it has proven PERFECT for one hit wonders and such....
I used to rip all my cd's and then go on gnutella to grab the few tracks that I don't own but listen to all the time, or single songs from artists who I generally dislike (i.e. Lose Yourself by Eminem) - now I just buy those songs for 99cents from iTMS, avoiding the "must buy a full cd" syndrome that always stopped me before, and suddenly I own every song on my computer for just a few bucks.
In fact, the iTMS taught me something that I hopey the RIAA will learn one of these days: Good Karma is fun.
It looks like people do want to pay for their music... if only you'd damn well make it reasonably attractive for them to do so.
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Is the prices on the older tunes. There's no way in hell anyone will pay buck-per-song for the older shit if you can buy a real CD for 3 bucks.
I think Apple is lying about the number of copies of iTunes that have been downloaded because I just downloaded Quicktime 6.4 and could only get it packaged with iTunes. Therefore anyone downloading QT (quite a few) will be added to the '1 million' amount. Very deceptive... perhaps a page right out of Billy's handbook for false advertising?
On one hand I am happy that iTMS [which I believe has the best compramise between protecting IP owners and Fair Use] is successful. On the other hand though, the money made is going to the RIAA - who, we all know, have been systematically attacking our Fair Use rights.
I hope that this is another Boston Strangler episode of the music industry. I hope this shows the industry that people will pay for products that are accessible and easy to use. Corporations follow the money train, and I think iTMS is it. [imho]
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I hope Apple can do well in this. However, given Bill Gates have done in the past, I am sure once this is proven to be successful, Gates is gonna think "why should Apple make money at the expense of MS? I want to do it too and I will tell my staff to come up with a me too prodcut and integrate it into next OS so no one else can do it!".
A million users:
Hey, My iTunes stopped working after going to Windows Update to download the latest "fixes".
I wonder why?
In Redmond,
"Tell Mr. Gates we "fixed" the problem with iTunes.
You might remember the IExplorer 5.5 patch that broke most netscape-api browser plugins. Among other things. It was a security fix, but it was job security they were fixing.
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Each month, Apple comes out with some sort of announcement that still blows me away. MacWorld after MacWorld they have new products to support this digital hub lifestyle. When will it end???
How many of you scoffed when Jobs mentioned the "digital hub"? I did. "WTF is a digital hub? The Mac already does all of these things he's talking about. Simple ways to work with your digital camera, for adding new hardware, etc" Yet they come out with the iPod, a non-computer/non-software item. And it sells like nuts. Then they sell it to Windows users. And now with iTunes Music Service, it's become quite evident Apple is interested in more than being simply a computer manufacturer. People scoffed at the idea, but one million songs in a few days is nothing to laugh at. Can't wait to see what happens to iPod sales (and conversely iTMS sales) in the holiday season.
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Those poor Windows users, they're not listening to Redmond! Microsoft's Ministry of Truth have already explained that iTunes inhibits their freedom of choice.
By actively choosing themselves what they want, these one million poor Windows users are inhibiting their freedom of choice.
Someone should clue them in before it's too late and they start buying Mac computers too.
If it wasn't for their fucking US-only licencing with the companies. Almost everyone I regularly talk to would make use of an international service.
No, sorry, my bad. It wasn't Apple. It was me. I admit it. I was the one who bought those songs. I just wanted to see if their servers could withstand a vicious one-man slashdotting...
It can - apparently the iTunes server's not running Windows. But I'll try again tonight, this time with my friend Chris buying the same songs simultaneously. Then I'll get Greg and Dave to help me buy whole albums at a time, and pretty soon, Steve Jobs will crumble in terror and BEG us to stop our vicious assault on their site!
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Am I the only one that thinks $0.99 per song is a bit steep? The average 12 song LP would cost you $11.88 to download.. when at some stores you could buy the CD for the same price and still get the packaging, the case, and CD itself - not to mention without the reduction in sound quality. Aside from using this service to legally aquire single songs from albums full of filler, what's the point?
Can someone please explain why a DRM riddled piece of software that prohibits you from transferring music you have paid for to another party is ok just because it was done by Apple? The software was so badly written that is hosing W2K machines preventing them from booting up. Windows is buggy, no dispute, but some very basic testing would have easily found this bug.
Why is it, just because apple does something, that it becomes ok? Each song is about a buck, each song on a CD is about a buck. This service has no cost savings to the consumer. At least with a CD if I get sick of it I can sell it for a few bucks.
What possible advantage is there to this crippleware? For pete's sake, it's the apple owners who have been more consistently screwed by apple over the years than anybody else? So why the big deal about crippleware just because it's made by Apple? Not only that but this propreitary service only lets you play your songs on an Ipod, no third party players supported.
Apple can maintain its Music Store on break even until hell freezes over, because for Apple this is just an extra.
Dude, your remark should make Roxio, Real, and Buy.com shake with fear. They are the ones with the dot-com era business plan.
For Apple, iTunes Win is merely trojan for three Apple-invented technologies: Quicktime, Rendesvouz (actually and open source standard), and Fair Play.
Look at this as an innovative marketing campaign. It is clear that Apple is not getting rich out of Music sales (at least not until they reach 1 billion in annual sales).
A player that, for DRM'd songs, provides them ina reasonably high quality, burnable format. I hope Steve Jobs makes a gazillion dollars and shoves it right down the cakehole of Bill Gates. O.k. reasonable comment - from what I've seen of the list of songs there are discs that I've just been hestitant to check out that I've been able to download a song or two off of (e.g. Sting's new one...which sucks) to check out. If I like it, I go buy the disc. As they expand the selection, I think their strategies for how rights are distributed will be what will win the day for them. Napster...bah...I'm not a big fan of wma files. Big deal if I have to burn the disc to convert the files to 320Kbps mp3. I'm not an audiophile and the sound still does do well in my stereo. --Aslan
This is interesting:
Ergo, purchases only just keept pace with the number of new downloads, and there was a sizable existing user base over on the Mac side, it seems clear that far more people are getting the software but not using it to buy anything.
It would be interesting to know what the trends are like on the Mac side. Were the Mac users downloading a million songs a week? If so, then the Windows users didn't download any -- that's probably no more accurate or meaningful than the "million downloads, million songs" correlation.
It's possible to lie with statisticss, sure, but it's also possible to tell the truth -- in fact, you often can't tell thee truth unless it can be backed up with numbers. It would be interesting to see how much of a bump the Windows launch really brought, and how the trends on the Mac & Windows sides will continue to evolve over time...
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use Kazaa alone, and think how many they have downloaded in a day!!
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has anyone had problems burning to cd (audio, data, mixed) in windows? i didnt realize this until after i bought an ablum, that itunes uses its own software to burn cds instead of users choice (boohoo i want nero). it initializes the cd and buffers the songs to burn and then exits with a '4000' error.
This is the reason why Apple is the company they are, and that it took them to make how the world is today.
What's so bad about being lazy? What if there was a war and nobody showed up?
Nice Troll! Too bad I didn't modify the text.....
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Pretty sweet! Considering that they have so few songs not bad, not bad at all.
I'm a PC user, but one thing I've never been able to figure out about most PC users is this: WHY do so many people run all their apps full-screen?
It totally defeats the purpose of a windowed OS.
I see people with a 1280x960 screen running maximised browsers, and it just makes me CRINGE.
Does it make you happy you're so strange?
A million already despite the Microsoft rep trying to discredit the service. I wonder if anyone listens to Microsoft's opinions nowadays anyways.
Moof.
Good point. As far as performance goes, this hasn't been an issue for Mac users given the robust UNIX underpinnings of OS X, upon which iTunes runs in the Mac world.
If 3MB is charring your behind, I'd recommend getting off it and grabbing another few sticks of RAM. It's almost free.
At this point, I'm going to stick with buying used and ripping the stuff into Windows Media Player. The interface is better, it doesn't automatically suck memory when I'm not using it, and the visualization runs at more than 3fps.
Maybe it's time for a whole system upgrade, friend. Let me suggest that you vist http://www.apple.com/hardware/...
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..So while the absence of non-Apple support for the AAC format may be a pain initially, odds are other MP3 players and player software will start to recognize such files.'If it gets any kind of traction, we'll support it,' says MusicMatch CEO Dennis Mudd.
Anyone have ANY reason to believe that the, gosh, well, ARTISTS that recorded these fine tunes will see ANY of the money that's changed hands in these fourteen million transactions??
I'm guessing...not likely.
Or, well, perhaps a handful of huge pop artists will get a small pittance in exchange for singing the praises of "getting compensated fairly" for their work.
I can't wait for the first major-label artist/band to publically ask when their iTunes check will be in the mail...
itunes can import all the standard formats into it's library and then into the ipod.
From my experience, iTunes can play AAC and MP3 files, but not OGG or WMA, arguably the other 2 'standard' formats.
What's worse is that even DRM-encrusted WMA files (e.g. from BuyMusic.com) can be played by most reasonable WMA players (QCD for example), while Apple's DRM-encrused AAC (M4P) is pretty much locked into the iTunes player.
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Too bad, indeed. His account was deadly accurate.
Yet more evidence that the Windows and Linux communities are complete nitwits when it comes to satisfying consumer demands. Apple is the number one producer of "cool" technology, and with iTunes they have demonstrated yet again that Apple technology rules, Windows and Linux drools. Get over it neophytres, you are the archaic dimwits of computing's past, Apple is the sleek, sexy and kick ass visionaries of computings future. Yeah baby, yeah, you know you WAAAANT it!
has anyone tried any modifier keys while clicking maximize? On the Mac, usually holding Option while maximizing gives you the more Windowsy maximize. Apple often includes undocumented modifiers in their apps, so clicking around holding shift or option or command usually exposes some hidden function.
And as much as I like watching Steve Jobs' keynote speeches I think the whole "Best Windows Application Ever" thing is just a dumb thing to say. It sounds funny during his keynotes when he occasionally rips into Windows, but seeing it on the frontpage of apple.com just makes me roll my eyes. It's fine if he boasts about Apple software that runs on a Mac but anything else just sounds too presumptuous.
As for people calling the 10 Burns for one playlist an arbitrary restriction I really don't think it'll be an issue with most people because how many times do you really burn a copy of a CD? And as others have pointed out, you can then just copy that first CD can't you?
Kick in the Head
They don't support my extremely obscure operating system!
Yes, folks, Linux on the desktop is obscure.
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the strongest word is still the word "free"
Me, I plan on getting a job at a Used CD shop, ripping the entire store then quit after a month.
What's the average sales/day in the Mac market? Because for them it's been just another day. I think 1,000,000 - 3,5*normal, nothing special Mac sales is still pretty close to a million...
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
My biggest issue with all of these per-song services (iTunes, MusicMatch, the upcoming new Napster) is that you are paying relatively full price for lower quality.
.flac versions when you purchase a song or album.
I much prefer Magnatune("we are not evil") who allows you to download wav and lossless
My second problem is that my tastes are rather eclectic, and using iTunes to find albums to my taste hasn't been working. For instance, I'll pick an album that I really like, and look at the "people who buy this album also buy" and discover I don't like any of their suggestions. But I don't buy much popular music, so it may work for other people.
Related, the 30-second browsing is often not enough for me. Supposedly the new Napster per-song service will allow you to preview the whole song. I know that I bought some Magnatune album recently because I could browse the whole album.
-- Herder of Cats
do we like or hate the RIAA today? Keep in mind, buying iTunes songs is supporting the people that subpeona grandmas and 12 year-old girls. iTunes sounds attractive, but I hate to give anything to people this greedy and corrupt.
So for $18,000 you can have redundant OC-3 connections (line only). Not too bad, that's only 216,000 a year. OC-3 can handle a shitload of traffic too (my co loc server is using this setup for the whole location with thousands of servers, surely a few million iTunes downloads wouldn't cause problems).
I wonder if their traffic is metered.
Don't feed the trolls
You can't take the sky from me...
i just downloaded the new quicktime binaries for a fresh system install, and low and behold you can bundle itunes with quicktime. i wonder how many downloads of itunes will be attributed to quicktime downloads and vice versa? i wonder how long it will be before you have no choice but to get both in one package?
since the service is not available in canada, i passed. then again, i would have passed no matter what.
I thought the artists had a say in album pricing, or at least the labels representing the artist? Although I could be wrong as I haven't actually checked on this.
I'd wish iTMS would be available in Canada already...the market here is so much different, 50% of all internet users have broadband, compared with 25% in the USA. Of course, that means USA still has a larger population per capita with broadband simply because USA's population is far larger than that of Canada, regardless, this is a very viable market and they should get here fast, not for my sake, but for their own.
I want to be able to have the equivalent of the CD format in its entirety, and then make copies to ogg, mp3 or whatever for my portable uses. But, for permanent archiving and home playing...why buy an inferior format?
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
It sounds lame but I downloaded iTunes just to take a peek at their advertised AudioBook collections for sale. I was hoping to pickup a bunch of Science Fiction, Fantasy and Horror titles for a reasonable price. But as soon as I navigated to the audiobook section, I found that they were selling each title for the full price that you would find in the stores. So I can either go to the store and buy a CD audiobook from $16.00 - $65.00 or I can download it from Apple for the same price. I kinda rather having owning a hard copy if I have to pay full price.
This is a Good Thing(tm) that may be bad news for Apple in the mid-term future.
If it only took a week to get 1,000,000 songs purchased and downloaded, vs. 13,000,000 for the Mac-only version over six months, this could be used by Apple's board and/or investors to press the company to open more of their applications and operating system d00dahs to operate under Windows. Steve Jobs' challenge now becomes being able to keep the Apple high standards of quality in a world where crashes and confusing UIs are the order of the day.
Hopefully Jobs et. al. have a plan to prevent this cannibalization of their existing software when facing the demand and the BoD/investors pressures.
Cheers!
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magnatune. You get WAV files from the master recording. Selection is pretty limited at the moment, but it's a non-RIAA studio, and the artists get %50 of the sales.
I am not an expert in this, but is one million dollars a lot of money? I mean, think about this logically, one million dollars for a company as large (???) as Apple, is chump change. Is it not? Even 14 million dollars shouldn't make a huge (but will make at least a medium) difference in the way the company operates. I don't know. Please correct me if I am wrong, but it just seems to me that one melon is not that much at all.
If you like the company or not it is hard to deny that Apple has done almost everything right. In the last couple of years they have:
1. Adopted open standards
2. Used and contributed to open-source programs
3. Brought music to the net (legally and successfully)
4. Brought their hardware up to x86 speeds
5. Brought UNIX to the desktop
...And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me." - Martin Niemoeller (1892-1984)
Of course, MS-esque marketing will probably decide which crippled alternative will dominate.
AC comments get piped to
Arbitrary restrictions on burning a playlist (10 burns, then you have to mess with it to burn more) seems a bit silly.
Even when some of us friends got together and decided to make our "Party Album mix" of our joint favorites I don't think we ever made more than 8-9 identical copies. And there's nothing stopping you from making copies of copies.
Seriously, I'd like to hear a credible example of when someone might legally, under fair use, need to create 10+ exact identical copies of the same commercial music. One in my car, one in the living room, one at the weekend resort, a few to some friends, a couple that got scratched, still it's far off.
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
if that's the case i'm not sorry to say i'm a necrophile.
But to make a name-based IP claim (presumably TM), Apple (records) would need to show that people confuse Apple Computer with Apple (records), thereby causing deception of consumers AND harm to Apple (records), their name or reputation.
They'll pay some small fee and go on about the business of making money - just look at the last quarter profit.
Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. Jon Krakauer
Isn't it amazing what happens when you innovate instead of regulate?
I'm sure all the people who purchased songs did so because they were in fear that the RIAA was going to sue them, not because Apple has heavily promoted a new way to conviently acquire just the music they want.
Score: Technology 1, Lawyers 0
With all respect to Apple and Mars, can someone please tell me why in all hell Apple called this server `phobos' ???
For Budah's sake.
Mkay, thanks.
The keynote outlines the features (heavily covered in the review obviously), but also gives a sense of what Jobs and Apple have in mind for this.
Very interesting.
Okay Troll, I'll bite. Let's look at the facts...er, FUD...
1) "DRM riddled piece of software" - No. There's absolutely no DRM if you use it the way you used WinAmp. You have mp3s? You have CDs? Tell me what you COULD do before that you CAN'T do now. Nothing. DRM only comes in if you decide to buy your music...and the DRM is very flexible. If you don't want Apple's fancy new store, there's zero DRM. Zero. Yep.
2) "prohibits you from transferring music you have paid for to another party" - Did that other party pay for it too? Because if not, that's called stealing, technically. But hey, fair use is cool, right? Apple lets you share it with three other computers, stream it to *unlimited* computers, and you can still burn to a CD and give that to anyone you want...which is the opposite of what you just said. You're not even an intelligent troll.
3) "this propreitary service" - um, it's MP3 or AAC. Not proprietary. And if you mean the DRM, then please don't tell me you think MS if going to provide an alternative. Oh wait, are you talking about Kazaa? Like where you just steal shit? Golly, I guess I don't have an answer for you there, buckaroo.
4) "only lets you play your songs on an Ipod, no third party players supported." - you can play your songs wherever you want. Apple's nify auto-sync thing? Sure, iPod only. But that wasn't your criticism, now was it?
For all the comments saying "1 million songs bought != 1 million Windows buyers", it should also be noted that it's highly unlikely that all 1 million Windows iTunes downloads were from the US either. You probably have a fair number downloading from countries that can't buy music from iTMS yet.
but not nice enough.
I listen to bands like Blind Guardian, Nightwish, Genitorturers and Stratovarius. So far I see none of those available for me to buy. The only bands i noticed that i actually would be interested in purchasing were old time swing names like Glenn Miller and Tommy Dorsey.
Peddling mainstream stuff is a great way to get Apple to make a profit, but it will not get very much money from me.
If you can't see the value in jet powered ants you should turn in your nerd card. - Dunbal (464142)
Anybody remember when Jack Valenti said this:
Permission to be smug, sir!
"Derp de derp."
Nobody cares if you're interested in buying music online or not. You're just some smelly virgin in a basement. Jobs cares about the cool kids at school, the ones with disposable income and no acne. The ones who convince they're other cool friends to buy cool things. The ones you spent most your time avoiding cause you didn't want them to hear your lisp.
I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I have recently upgraded from a Mac 8600/300 w/64 Megs of RAM to a new G5 dual 2GHz with AGP 8X and PCI-X to help me at my freelance gig where I copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. On the G5 I spent about 20 minutes trying to install Adobe Arcobat 6. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this file transfer, my iPod will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even Safari is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8MB of ram running MS Windows for Workgroups 3.11 is faster than this G5 dual 2GHz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.
Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
The patent on allowances might be stupid, but the way our laws are framed, there's no other option. Do you really want some other company to patent a stupid thing and then ask you to *licence* it from them? See how Amazon patented the 'one-click shopping' and 'people-who-bought-this-also...' stuff. The 'one-click' patent is downright stupid since it is the most obvious thing for any programmer who has used cookies.
Anyway, my point is that even if a concept is silly, it is imperative to patent it before someone else patents it since fighting a case in court to prove prior-art might end up being a costlier affair.
"When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail." - Abraham Maslow (1908-1970)
but it's a non-RIAA studio
Aaahhh, so its crap then? Great. Just what I wanted- lossless crap.
And man my wife is gonna be pissed when she sees the Amex Platinum bill. What could I do? I'm trying to keep my Apple stock share up...! It *seemed* reasonable to do at the time....
Glad I had lot of CDRs lying around....
Polymorphism -- It's what you make of it.
A little Hyku I wrote :
iTunes was installed.
My iPod stoped working.
All is quite once again.
Thank god for "System Restore".
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And that kind of income doesn't often come to 'repressed' closet basement virgins such as I guess that you are...so, I can understand your jealousy.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
Apple's patents are defensive. They never, ever use them. Seriously. Look around. Apple Legal will routinely shut down theme projects based on vague intelectual property claims, but they never enforce their patents. And they churn out like six patents a week, and all six are bullshit. Seriously. They patent absolutely everything they think of.
HAHAHA -- oh. you were serious.
I used to think that way also.
I have 4145 songs in my iTunes Library all but 103 are from CD's and only 2251 are worth listening to. 4042 songs bought on CD at a average of 10 songs per cd is say 400 cds, at used prices of $6-7 plus tax just about equals the cost of 2251 songs at 99 each.
Now factor in the time searching for used music, and
have you ever ripped 400 cd's? It's a BITCH!!!
Plus having boxes of cd's laying around, true I could sell them at the flea market (forever) or bulk sell to a used cd place for $1-2 per cd, but even these guys have been going out of business, the "clubs" are giving away up to 15 free cds with membership. Plus it's backup anyway or I buy a hard drive same price.
At iTMS I search easily, try a sample, send it to shopping cart and download it while sleeping. Per song basis, no problem, little labor involved.
So it's all how you value your time.
There's the hard way and the iTunes way.
At least the files will be MP3. I don't have to buy a friggin $500 player to hear them mobile!
"Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while I was a suspect."- Steven Wright
Halving the period to sell X songs shows that demand has doubled. Assuming that Mac user demand has remained constant, if you subtract them out, that means there are as many people downloading songs using Windows as there are using Macs.
This post expresses my opinion, not that of my employer. And yes, IAAL.
You have sex with Macs?????
I dunno who it is
but it prolly is fhqwhgads.
While who gets how much money is a matter of the one-sided contracts the artists sign in order to get heard, they can make a bit more than if no one bought the album AND no one bought songs through iTMS.
I don't really feel sorry for people (the "artists") who want to sit in a studio for a grueling 3 day session to record songs written by someone else and continue to get paid for 1,2,3 or 10 year old recordings. How many of us continue to get paid three years after we did the work, no matter how hard we worked to get the job or how hard the task was at the time?
While the industry may unjustly enrich themselves on the backs of artists, the labels are the ones that do the day to day work (printing, shipping, litigating). If I could buy an album for $10, then I'd do it twice as often as I do for $15. The sum total revenue would go up, on marginal more expense.
The industry just doesn't get it, but most of the people arguing about it don't either.
Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. Jon Krakauer
I won't be interested in buying music online till they offer a lossless format
Isn't that the same reason you give for not going out on any dates? You really should get over your fear of chix. And getting rid of that bacon cheddar pork rinds odor that you have might help the chix get over their fear of you.
I downloaded the software. I like it a lot, from interface (look, buttons, etc) to features. I even tried the sharing option with a co-worker. But there is one thing that I find greatly sucks: totally unresponsive. My computer is an Athlon 1500+, not the latest but still... It's nice how everything is painted to look like a mac but the interface is way too slow.
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steve jobs has is a hardcore failure if he only cares abotu the coolkids. apple wouldnt be an insignificant fringe company with a tiny monopoly on a dying breed of products.
oh well. steve ran apple into the ground once before. the prodigy returns.
I hate feeding the trolls...but, I venture to guess I have much, MUCH more disposable income than you...
Gay porn pays a lot these days. Not every man can take 6 cocks at once...3 in the ass and another 3 down the gullet. I'm glad to hear that your skills are being richly rewarded.
It still doesn't change the fact that you're a virgin, since you've only ever been fucked by other men...they producers say that no-one wants to see your 2-inch cock in action.
Have Apple just assumed Win 9x users are not a worthwhile market, or does iTMS use DRM feature absent in win9x, so they "can't" support it?
My two systems are Linux, with dual boot into Win98SE or Win ME (which they came with) for the kids (games and such stuff).
The kids now want iTMS but I really don't want to
give $200 to Microsoft, and get into MS Product
activation stuff just for the kids to use iTunes.
Will Apple eventually support win9x, or is it "impossible"?
Now that my university (Baylor, home of the natzi It department) blocks most mp3 shareing apps, and even will hunt you down for useing waste, Itunes is a Godsend We can stream mp3's over the network from our 5gig+ individual archives to others I'm sure ITS will put a end to this (port block anybody?) in a matter of time any other schools noticeing a ton of people showing up in the itunes shared playlist are (as of today i count 10, and only 2 password locked, but all my friends will be on by the end of the week)
come comment on the madness at http://slashdot.org/~phreak03/journal/
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1) Apple blew it. They came out with iTunes for Windows too late. Ha ha hah! Buymusic.com is already there first. The vaporous Dell and Microsoft services are much better on paper than than this pathetic Apple offering.
2) AAC? Beh. Give me the open standard. Give me WMP! Support standards, Apple!
3) Black turtlenecks? Who wears black turtlenecks?
4) 99 cents a song? What, do you think I'm RICH?! Give me songs for free. Artists don't get much money when they go through the iTMS anyway, so why should I give the artists anything at all? Answer me that, man.
5) They're just trying to sell iPods. So that means that even if I get the iTunes app for free and use it, Apple is screwing me over. Yeah, they're screwing me over. That's it.
Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
All the clunky user interface I've come to expect from Apple products under Windows, but the iTunes software makes finding stuff in the store straightforward enough that my parents would have no problems. Thumbs up in that area.
Once the service is UK-operable, I'm in. Pay, download, burn and rip to MP3, with the satisfaction of no longer having to buy whole singles or albums when all I want is one song I happened to hear and like (most of the stuff I go for isn't exactly pop, but once in a while, I'm game.) Even on dial-up the service seems as if it'll be suited to my likely usage patterns.
The levels of DRM are fine. They serve to make a point, rather than inhibit what I want to do with music I've paid to acquire and listen to. An admirable compromise.
Thanks, Apple. Now get the UK wired in!
Ph-nglui mglw'nafh Gates M'dna wgah'nagl fhtagn.
You know, if you're going to feed the trolls, at least try to come up with something a little better than "I know you are but what am I", mmmmmmkay?
Gotta love microsoft...take any cheap shot at Apple possible.
I think iTunes Music Store has a pretty relaxed DRM compared to others.... and you can't beat an iTunes/iPod combo.
These sites have been available for years now. MP3 finder, grammy.ru - many of them. All operating completely within the laws of the country that hosts them (Russia) and in cooperation with many of the very same labels (Universal, Sony, etc) who have refused, for years, to cooperate with american web companies in offering the very same product package.
Notice how we never hear about lawsuits or the RIAA threatening to take down these "international" sites? Why do you think that is? They don't dare talk about them and let Americans know they can buy mp3 music online at a dime a pop... or even get many popular picks absolutely free, and completely legal.
It's fascinating how they can continue to make money in a country where "pirated music" outnumbers legal copies on store shelves 2:1, but swear that offering DRM free download services in the US would put them out of business.
At least the files will be MP3. I don't have to buy a friggin $500 player to hear them mobile!
.nap format ... unless they've changed their tune, yet again, and chosen an even more restricted format. It is unlikely in the extreme that napster will be offering anything in an uncrippled format, and Apple, while incorporating some mild (yet nevertheless irritating) DRM technology, does allow to store their purchase on relatively robust media (CDR) in open formats (CDDA, MP3) which can be reripped into whatever format one desires (.OGG, whatever).
.nap, .wma, and the other garbage coming from the RIAA/M$ camp, and you do have a winner, of sorts.
Bzzt! Thank you for playing.
Napster will be releasing music in the proprietary
Contrast this with
The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
That's pretty dang good, except you're likening Steve Jobs to Satan (only a bit of overkill), Windows to the Garden of Eden (where everything is perfect??), thus Microsoft to God.
Which we know is crap, because, as the song goes, Our God is an awesome God.
And Microsoft isn't exactly awesome, am I wrong?
Who has the lobbying power in washington? To even come close to parity you'd need to send more like $50 to the EFF for every dollar you send to hollywood.
Boy are you trolls retarded, all one has to do is use the find function to see that you are wrong.
Why don't you trolls go out to a gay bar and find someone to help you relieve your pent up sexual fantasies you want act out on the slashdot editors.
I love iTunes, really, I do.
I have a radio stream going all day and night, and the iTMS is addictive as crack.
I have noticed some missing albums, but I'm sure Apple will have that worked out in due time.
Count me in for some paid downloads.
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Why wait for them to get situated. iTunes shines in places other than iTMS - it's a full featured player/ripper/burner! Seriously, I used to be a die-hard "I don't need no steenking playlists" person - but after having used iTunes when I got my iBook, I've never used another music app that holds a candle to it.
Q: What do you think about American Culture?
A: I think it's a good idea.
(adapted from Gandhi)
Wow, its not like one could do that before! Streaming mp3 files, who would have thought of that?!?
Well, considering that
"The iPod makes money. The iTunes Music Store doesn't," Apple Senior Vice President Phil Schiller told CNET News.com in an interview Thursday after the launch of the Windows version of the store,
I can't for the life of me fathom why they would want their music service to be easiest to use with their own hardware.... hmmmm....
You know what?
What else did you expect form apple? They are not known for their reasonable prices.
I don't know where people are getting the idea that you need an iPod if you have iTunes. I've been using a Nomad IIc flash-player, and iTunes recognizes it and works with it through the USB interface just fine. Is this some FUD or what?
That's the first we here on /. have heard of it.
Oh, wait.
I hate to give anything to people this greedy and corrupt.
Same thing can be said about you and a lot of slashdot posters.
I'm not sure if this is from their DRM stuff of whatever but if i try and convert an MP3 to AAC format it is only playable in iTMS and Quicktime. That flat out sucks. The new Winamp 5 can rip cd's now to AAC by default and they play on just about everything that supports it. So why don't apple's m4a's play nice with other software?
MoRe... LaTeR... -=PJK=-
And it still gets 400 comments. I didn't realize slashdot readers had such a long attention span.
Are we sure it wasn't just Cher downloading "Do You Believe" a million times?
Remember when we use to get SCO vs. IBM every other day?
Both intercept and record an audio stream from inside the computer (to put it simply enough for all to 'get' the idea) and save it to the HD or RAM disk AS AN MP3 file.
Just think of the money you'll save by not having to buy blank CDs if you use one of these products.
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I'll bet the number of songs downloaded over P2P during that period was much larger than 14 million, fuckface.
You are not a real customer. ive tried your beck and the opposit is tru. .
moderators. this is a troll
this person is planting false information. i have personally tried this benchmark and this person is lying.
to the writer please crawl back under the slimeball hole that you came from. you are a troll and your post is a blattant lie. i have found that X copys 2x faster than winnt or 2k under the same conditions. you are working for MS and you are attemting to spread fud.
My computing days started out on an Apple IIE. Soon after, I moved on to PCs. I am happy to see that Apple has a winning product and service. I am in no way an Apple zealot. I am just happy to see the little guy win every once in awhile.
I am very impressed with the iTunes service. What else can I say.
Or maybe you've been living a lie, and your god really is evil, and Satan is only trying to liberate you from your chains of ignorance.
What excuses will you have now to keep using Kazaa and so forth? You're always rattling on about how file-traders brave freedom fighters shoving it to the RIAA by avoiding an "obsolete business model," and how record companies should instead embrace Internet file-sharing.
Well, here it is. Have you switched to this excellent, high-quality p2p file-sharing program or are you still leeching off of Kazaa? I think it's a legitimate question, because iTunes is just the tip of the iceberg with this kind of success. I'm very pleased that Apple is leading the charge.
Will you actually stand behind your ideals, or does it turn out that you've just been justifying your guilt for leeching all this time?
"Sufferin' succotash."
Here's the original text.
I think, therefore I am...I think.
So true about apple not needing to dominate the market. Right now they are in the best market position possible. Microsoft can't destroy them, can't even take them on for fear of anti-trust issues. Apple's got great profit, if this causes an increase in market share of overall apple from 2% or 3% to 5% they'll turn a billion dollars in profit.
iTunes is a huge and immediate threat to Microsoft's DRM dominance plan.
Of course this is all great, but let's not forget that Open Source (represented by linux) and Apple are allies at this early game, and I believe OpenSource will land the biggest blow.
Let's also remember, though this is a step in the right direction for the future of IP. However it's still DEFINITELY NOT RIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE.
The moment you give up freedom on your computer and your home YOU WILL NEVER GET IT BACK!
iTunes DRM is an immediate threat to my personal freedom. My freedom to own the contents in my hand and the contents within my home and I will not be buying from the iTunes music store because I will not have corporations dictate rights to me in my most personal of places and spaces. DRM, even ubiquitous as Apple's is will not come between myself and my friends and family. DRM belongs in the corporate sector, between corporations, perhaps on file sharing, perhaps between me an the masses just as I have security between myself and the masses, but not on my VCR, my TV, or my music player!
Furthermore if I want to give someone the keys to my car, lend them a CD, or invite them into my house that means I decide, and I won't settle for inviting someone in my house and having to then (because some corporation dictated it) give them individual access to these AAC files or that WMP file. I determine the rights within my home, NOT a corporation. That's fair use, and DRM is an invasion of privacy. You cannot take away someone's freedom unless that individual has been convicted of a crime in a court of law, and DRM is a guilty until proven innocent technology. You can not enjoy the content on your own computer until you prove it's yours. ENOUGH!
AAC is a good step, but ultimately a dead end, because it tackles the problem from just the wrong side of a thin line, sure it's nice now, but you're still letting a corporation determine your usage within your own home and space. What happens when they decide to change those rules!? ...and they will.
We've gotten to bound up with property because of our free market. We're commodity centric. Remember it is not about yours, mine, his, hers! It's about personal, private, and public space and boundaries. These don't all have to exist simultaneously in your house. We need to focus on regulating copyright in public space not private space. In file-sharing, not my computer!
Also, DRM on music WILL ALWAYS BE DEFEAT-ABLE. If you can here it you can record it. Always will. It's idiotic to try control copyright within the home! and will be a huge annoyance for consumers no matter what. Copyright should be controlled in the public forum. Ok, redundant, but important, but I will move on.
I don't claim to have the answers for music yet, but books are a primary example of a balance met. They have a natural state. Even if you could download every book in the world online you would still pay the publisher $5.99 for the paperback for doing any more reading than just perusing. More sales would happen in this scenario, because suddenly people in China can find out about some small time US authors new book and then order it off Amazon. Wear-as right now, there's little to no chance the publisher has publicized the book in China. Perhaps the recording industry should stop focusing so much on DRM and start looking at "adding value" to their product so it still has a legitimate reason for existing. May I suggest they start with a multimedia video/music disc that you can play like CD
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All I get when I try is a little page telling me that since it's not available "in your country" yet, all I can do is browse and not buy.
:)
Global commerce. Heh.
Point of the message is, not everyone who's downloaded iTunes for Windows *can* buy music from the store, even though we'd like to...
Apple will miss their goal. They sold 1 million songs in 3 days, so they'll sell 87 million in the next 261 days... reaching 100 million next June. Apple said they'd sell that many by April. Sales are low -- by Apple's own benchmark!
Despite that, I love their music store. I contributed to that 1 million sales figure this weekend. I hadn't bought any new music for three years before iTMS was launched. Now it's a real treat to browse for new music, especially in older genres (Jazz, Opera) that aren't so mainstream nowadays. Hey, just because it's old doesn't mean it doesn't rock (figuratively speaking).
WOOOO HOOO!
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Apparently, Apple's invention here is that the prepaid gift card is really a single-purpose gift card (not a widely accepted credit card) and is automatically deducted from the guardian's account.
However, mobile phone plans with an "allowance" of outgoing minutes may count as prior art.
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My apologies if this has been already covered. It's clear that Apple has made iTunes the loss leader for the iPod. That is, the are bringing people in the door with the downloaded music and then (hopefully) up selling them on iPods (and Macs too). That business model makes sense when you think about the profit margins that the iPods bring. They're making at least $100 on just the low end model and they've sold 1.4 Million total units. Also, it appears that iPod sales have been accelerating since the launch of iTMS. Apple has figured out that if they sale "X" amount of songs they will probably sell "X" amount of iPods. So I think the losses from the music store are chalked up as the just cost of doing business. It looks like the loss leader is the current business model of choice for the online music stores. MusicMatch is doing the same thing (up selling to the Pro version) and it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
Once apple has a solid brand, the can renegociate their deal with the RIAA on better terms. Apple's proably shooting for the kind of name recognition and association with digital music Napster has. That's worth way more than short term profits, and in the mean time breaking even's ok.
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It seems that you don't know that iTMS is AAC format, which can easily be converted to MP3 and imported into your nomad or ANY other mp3 player.
Apple's patents are defensive. They never, ever use them.
Oh really?
Apple hasn't always licensed its patents to free software projects:
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For all the good uses alone you are not pusing the platfor. You're just giving the RIAA/MPAA ammunition to get hardware and software vendors to include this TC stuff where we cant do anything at all with the content we purchase. Such as download DVD's and burning to our own DVD's for playback in our OWN dvd players.
NO people like you will cuase it to be where we can download RIAA/MPAA content to only RIAA/MPAA approved PC platforms and copy it to THEIR approved vendor list of high priced and low functionality devices that ruin the whole experience. Thus killing off innovation and better prices.
I know it's OT, but does anybody else having any problems deleting files from their database in iTunes? I tried to remove some moved files, and it just soared up to 100% CPU usage and locked (mem+pagefile was at 1GB of usage). Everything else works great, this is just pissing me off.
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I much prefer Magnatune("we are not evil")
The problem with Magnatune, CD Baby, and many other self-service labels is that they don't seem to assist clearance of copyrighted songs for recording, and they don't seem to provide access to an expert witness so that a singer-songwriter can determine with some level of certainty that he didn't accidentally infringe the copyright in an existing copyrighted song by subconsciously copying it. Apparently, according to the terms, Magnatune is interested only in selling recordings of arrangements of pre-1923 classical music:
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I've been trying to find some classical music using the store (hard to find Ravel piece) but have been enjoying the radio feature all day (Magnatune Classical). Much nicer and less obtrusive interface than Windows Media, Dell's Joke, er, Jukebox or Real *whatever-its-called-this-week* player. I can imagine getting an iPod. So; when will OSX be available for my Dell 5150? :)
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I think having a high-quality (if not technically CD quality) pre-ripped track, delivered by (normally) zippy servers with good bandwidth, and reasonable DRM is enough added-value to open the gap up again.
Until an iTMS purchased album comes with a lyric sheet, authoritative lyrics (as opposed to potentially misheard lyrics) are worth money to some people. Other people do not yet have a CD recorder. For them; the first CD purchased and recorded through this system would cost $10 for the recordings plus $50 for the CD recorder including shipping; amortizing this is left as an exercise.
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You can also burn to CD
My portable player is a RioVolt MP3 CD player. Can iTunes 4.1 for Windows transcode and record iTMS purchased recordings to an MP3 CD?
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Well, since the iTunes AAC files are encoded from the masters, it all depends on whether the AAC lossy encoding or the WAV lossy encoding is noticeably different.
I mean, you do realize that digitizing an analog input is a lossy process, right?
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What are you endorsing here?
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Apple may be a 'fringe company', but as insignificance goes, chances are there are more people using their products on the desktop than Linux. They definitely hold more sway with commercial software vendors than desktop Linux. There's also no such thing as a 'tiny monopoly'.
In what way do Apple excersize monopoly control over any market -by manufacturing the OS and the hardware together, like computer companies always used to do? I guess you're probably too young to remember when computers used to work properly.
I don't think much of Steve Jobs, but he sure as hell didn't run Apple into the ground. He is just about solely responsible for making the Apple II into something that normal people wanted to own, which made Apple into a multi billion dollar company.
He had a significant hand in bringing the Mac to market, about the only really bad business decision he made before getting ousted was showing the GUI to Bill Gates.
Nope, the honour of nearly running Apple into the ground goes to John Sculley and Gil Amelio.
Steve Jobs lollipop iMacs and crap additions to prevent System 7 from dying are what prevented Apple from going under in the late 90s. And Steve Jobs is responsible for probably doubling the number of Unix machines on desktops in the world.
Still doesn't stop him from being a self absorbed wanker who thinks that he knows better than everyone else when it comes to what people want. The problem is that he's usually right.
... is the RIAA gasping its last breath as its antiquated business model is finally proven completely and utterly obsolete.
You can bet that Apple will be sued over iTunes, if they have not already...
All I wanted to do was see what music they have available. They clutter up my system with several unnecessary pieces of bloated software, then REQUIRE a credit card # to simply browse what is available?
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WHY iTunes is NO GOOD:
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(1) They require a valid credit card # before you can even begin to browse the "store." How about I give you that number when/if I find something I want to buy?
This would be like The GAP requiring you to hand over your credit card when you cross the threhold of their B&M store. When you give it to them, they swipe the card and copy all the info from it. When you leave, they keep the info but give the card back.
BLECH!
(2) Apple installs a bunch of stuff that is unnecessary on my system:
(2a) "iPod Service" appears in my services list, with an executable within \Program Files\iPod\bin.
I don't have an iPod, I don't need one. I certainly don't want this "service" running. So I nuke it.
(2b) a "qttask.exe" appears in my QuickTime folder and is set to run at startup (with a registry entry in HKLM\software\microsoft\windows\currentversion\ru
I don't need that crap, so I nuke it as well.
(2c) Another app set to auto-run at startup (same location in the registry tree) is "iTunesHelper.exe" in the iTunes install folder. Why do I need this _always_ running even when I'm not using iTunes?
So I nuke it as well.
Ah things are a bit more comfy now.
So I run the iTunes application again.
(3) It re-installs all this stuff I just disabled, puts back the registry keys, re-installs iPod Service, iTunesHelper, and qttask.exe.
So I nuke them all, and set the NTFS permissions on all files involved to read-only (I nuke the fuckers permanently).
(Oh yeah, they "upgraded" my version of QuickTime without even asking me. I wonder what this will break down the road...)
I run iTunes yet again. No weirdo apps/services any more, and the iTunes app runs just fine, connecting to the Apple site without any problems. (Why did they need all that other cruft running in the background I wonder?)
So now maybe I can use this thing without all the clutter. ALAS! They still want my credit card info before they will let me browse the store!
This sucks.
So I nuke the entire freaking iTunes installation, and burn the installer. I will not use software that is this intrusive; I certainly will not hand over credit card info until I find something I want to purchase...
-- The WIPO Avenger
Given their potential market share went up by a factor of 20, and their total sales only doubled, I don't think they've captured that much of the pc market.
Well, I have a Windows98 box, and would use Windows iTunes if it was available for 98. Not planning to upgrade to XP or 2000 as some small amount of my software won't work then. I'd of course use Linux iTunes if that existed, but again am foiled. Oh well, guess I'll just have to buy CDs and hope I can play them...
When radio first started out, manufacturers could sell you one, but there was little to do with it. So, the early radio shows were actually financed by the manufacturers (selling advertising came much later.) The idea was they'd give the shows away and make money selling you the hardware.
It's kind of funny now because manufacturers cut one another's throats in the low-end radio market, and radio (radio shows, that is) is big money.
Apple has an interesting angle on their iPod-ITMS venture; but it's not unprecedented.
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Nokia N-Gage supports AAC.
You're forgetting about the gray non-entities inbetween Sculley and Amelio. There was a Cherman guy, wasn't there?
Yeah, Jobs is an asshole, but if you belong to the Cult of Apple, he's OUR asshole.
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
This is only true for files over about 7 minutes long.
Look at Vanessae-Mae's classical album for a good example.
Violin Concerto in C Op.48, II. Andant (5:02) you can buy just the song.
Violin Concerto in D Op.35, III. Finale (Allegro Vivacissimo) (9:08) can only be purchased as part of the album (32 songs for $29.97).
Other songs that are album only on this:
*Violin Concerto in D Op.35, I. Allegro Moderato 17:22
*Violin Concerto in D 'Adelaide' (In the Style of Mozart) K294A1, I. Allegro (7:22)
*Violin Concerto in D 'Adelaide' (In the Style of Mozart) K294A1, II. Adagio (7:14)
*Violin Concerto in D Op.61, I. Allegro Ma Non Troppo (22:47)
*Violin Concerto in D Op.61, II. Larghetto (8:05)
*Violin Concerto in D Op.61, III. Rondo (Allegro) (9:48)
*Inspired by Folk Culture, Frere Jacques (8:54)
*Inspired by Opera, Concert Fantasy On 'Carmen', Op.25 (13:37)
*Inspired by Opera, Fantaisie Brillante On Themes from Gounod's 'Faust', Op.20 (16:21)
There's a fairly consistent pattern here and not many "One-hit Wonders" have a hit that's over 7 minutes.
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What apple reported, if anyone had bothered to read the actual press release, was that the total week's song downloads (from all versions of the software, windows and mac alike) had exceeded 1 million songs during the week the windows version was released. This being a rise over the NORMAL weekly sales of 500,000 to 600,000.
In other words, itunes has sold 400,000 songs more than a normal week during the week that the windows version of itunes was released.
So, let's see what slashdot got wrong:
1) It wasn't a milllion windows song downloads, it was a million total downloads.
2) It wasn't over 3.5 days, it was over the course of a week.
3) There's no word yet on what percent of that million was actually windows song downloads.
Come on guys, if you want make-believe that you're real journalists, at least do a bit of basic fact checking before publishing blatantly wrong information.
And it's probably time to add another category to the list of things easily used to explain the mainstream record industry's drop in sales. In addition to (1) the recession and (2) the smaller # of releases by record companies themselves and (3) increase in indie company sales, we'll have to have (4) legitimate online sales.
What's more, #4 has to be magnified: if done right, digital sales should be far more pure revenue than conventional distribution, given physical production and retailer take.
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. . .but you totally missed the point.
CDBaby doesn't have its own "download service" competing with iTMS/MusicMatch/etc. They serve as an electronic distributer. You tell CDBaby "here is my CD. Please place it on iTMS and MusicMatch." CDBaby replies, "we'd love to do that. we hope your band does well. You will be paid 91% of what Apple / MusicMatch pays us for downloads of your songs." CDBaby has deals already worked out with the download services letting them rip/upload music to the stores.
Here's more info about their service.
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If i had moderator points, I would definately moderate you FUNNY!
And If I hadn't responded to your post, I would've definitely moderated you FUNNY a few days from now! Oh well!
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I am just wondering how you've configured you're playlist and preferences, and if there's some kind of stuff to do, cracks to download or something else,to enhance itune. About the playlist i've made lists by decenies (starting from the 50's), lists by genre (the major ones: classical, rock, hip hop, jazz, electronic, pop, ect), and i also have "my top rated", "my worst rated" (which i haven't used yet :) "recently played" and "top 25 most played". If you want to brag do this here too. I have: 9186 songs, 26,4 days, 43,07 GB
While you're switching to mac, please ignore people like the above AC pretending to be a mac user (or in some cases, an actual 7 year old mac user) and try to remember that most mac users are quite friendly people.
I prefer world and techno, and it's relatively easy to avoid the RIAA with such tastes.
BTW, if you think all those 400 "indies" are RIAA unaffiliated, you need to do a little more research...
I see by your knee-jerk "linux user=eternal virgin/trekkie/dork" thought process that someone has already installed MS MindControl 2003 in your head.
Go ahead, get sarcastic, lash out at your accuser. It's probably all you remember how to do by now, you poor bastard...
I think people need to give Apple a lot more credit than has been expressed. Think about it, how can a company which has such an insignifcant market share release something as small as mp3 player software with the iTMS and cause such a stir and debate. Hats off to Apple and Jobs, like them or not, they are driving the industry. Many clones i'm sure are on the way.
First off, I thing that iTunes is a really good piece of software and I'll be a great help in organizing my music collection and syncing with my iPod. But it seems that Apple designers became so focused on implementing all the cool features (music store, ripping, burning, etc) that they overlooked making it into a quality music player. After all, how hard can it be; just slap on the play/pause/rew/ff controls and you are set. Right? Wrong.
As it stands, the iTunes' interface is simply too clunky for a music player. That's bad. Music player's UI should have a different look and feel than that of a "normal" application. Winamp is very compact but functional. It can give you full playback controls, show the playlist, without taking too much screen real estate. I can put it where I need it, so that it's always at my fingertips, yet takes up minimum amount of space: it can run out of system tray; it can remain docked on top of other windows at the corner of the screen, just big enough to show controls and maybe a couple of playlist entries, etc.
With iTunes, it's all or nothing. The full application has to be in the foreground if you want to browse through the playlist, or just have the playlist in plain sight. This is very inconvenient. If you minimize the program to its compact size, you just get minimal controls; you can't see the playlist, and the program still wastes space on the taskbar as opposed to minimizing to system tray.
Another feature of Winamp that I am not willing to give up are global keyboard/mouse shortcuts (I had to get a plug-in for that.)
It shouldn't be hard to make iTunes do all that Winamp does right now in terms of UI. For starters, how about an option to display the playlist in the compact size? Not the entire title/genre/composer/blah/blah/ grid, just the title and the artist. Make the program minimizeable to tray. Implement global keyboard shortcuts. Give a few options for resizing/docking the compact view window. Then the program will truly be insanely great.
No, actually, it took Steve Jobs and his amazing technicolor RDF. As much as I'd like to place principle over personality, it can't be denied that Jobs made this happen on the deal end of things.
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
I'm pretty sure there a few other non-starters in the pack, but Sculley and Amelio made most of the supremo bad decisions with regard to marketing and sales.
I forgot another important player, Jean-Louis Gassee, who seemed to be doing his very best to alienate the developer community. A supremely self-absorbed person by all accounts, who left Apple to start his own company making computers based on a proprietary microkernel designed with POSIX compliance in mind. Ultimately admitting defeat by making it available on x86.
I feel there are some parallels between Jobs and Gassee, but I can't quite put my finger on what they might be.
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I think I will buy some Apple stock, or maybe just an apple.
... just for browsing.
don't know about services, DLLs and such. maybe you are on windows?
Now that it's been proven that ppl will buy digitised music *when there's a reasonable way to do so*, can the RIAA now STFU about piracy?
The money grubbing little pricks have now been shown to clearly have NFI on how to market.
Tho I don't expect them to wakeup anytime soon.
anybody gotten it to work under Wine yet?
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"Apple offers 1 million clues to RIAA; none taken so far."
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Nope, the installer chokes on needing another exe file. Something to do with windows inatller I think. Thats under regular wine on Mandrake.
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If this is true (1 mill. downloads in 3.5 days) all I can say is "Holy $hit!"
You missed one. Unlike KaZaA, iTMS is LEGAL.
I for one can't wait for iTMS to be released in Japan. I use other P2P software for a lot of music I listen to, and I know it is illegal. So far my reasoning is that DLing a song for a CD I wouldn't have otherwise purchased is not hurting anyone. Afterall, I DO purchase a lot of CDs every month.
That said, if I could download a single song that is guaranteed to be of a certain quality, and be able to download it within a reasonable time frame, I certainly think it would be worth the 100yen or so. I'd also have a clear conscience.
I still would like to have the physical, non-compressed CD media, but since almost all of my music listening has been on my iPod with the ear buds during commutes, I can live with DRM and semi-deteriorated compression quality. If I wanted the whole album, I would just buy the CD. If I only want 1 song... well, I download it anyhow, so it's not like I'm losing any quality in the first place!
You can get used CDs on Amazon or eBay for $2.50.
There is also the wild allure of P2P sites which made Napster and Kazaa attractive. A search word turns up live tracks or tracks that have been remastered, or very rare tracks that you have no idea where they came from, like bootlegs or garage tapes. And, oh yeah, the Porno.
iTunes fills a commerical niche certainly but it is tame and predictable. It also runs on Windows 2000 or XP. I know quite a few people who haven't upgraded yet and have no intention to do so who run "low requirement" P2P software on Windows 98 with 32 MB of RAM.
There's also the bloatware problem. I don't know about other people, but Quicktime consistently crashes on me everytime I use it, whether its on Win95, 98, NT, or XP. I also have two or three versions of it on my machine because Apple can seem to engineer backward compatibility into one version.
So, based on my experiences with Qtime, my impression of Apple software is that it tends to be messy and leaves stray files littered all over the computer that are hard to clean up, like the defectory habits of a mad gerbil.
I don't need more left over pellets from Apple. And I don't need a $300 PDA with a mechanical hard drive that plays MP3s and sometimes doesn't know when it's fully charged or not; aka: iPod.
I think I'll stick with P2P.
Napster has extensive content agreements with the five major record labels, as well as hundreds of independents.
From the Napster About Us page.
If you are Apple trying to diversify let alone continue to exist in a Microsoft world, you have just gained a foothold on Mount Windoze. Maybe on the way up, you can make a little jing.
What's less cool is that you've been turned into a sherpa for the music industry. We'll see if it's a profitable model for Apple.
You actually belive UPS does anything but kick back and count the money rolling in? I have news for you, pal. Almost all the work is done by workers who are paid a fraction of the value of their work.
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It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
Does beating off to my MacZones catalog count?
http://www.cdbaby.net/
Apple (and other online music companies) have agreements w/ CD Baby..
Check it out...
They're averaging 300,000 songs a day. On 1 February 2004 it will be hysterical - 100 million songs in two months is over five times that much.
I will switch to using this service.....when they support it in XMMS or NoAtun. How dare they ignore us Linux users!!!!
If any one outside The US is interested in having me buy an iTMS gift certificate for them, visit my site: arbitrary.org
But does it support Apple's copy-protected AAC? With the m4p extension instead of m4a?
They also claim to have had 1 million downloads of the windows version. So, at best, each new Windows user has bought 1 song and the existing Apple users didnt buy any songs at all in that period. At worst most people who downloaded it didnt bother buying *any music at all*. Probably since they couldnt get it to work. or found that it crashed their PC
Reading between the lines it looks like the launch of iTunes for Windows has actually been a bit of a flop.
Yet another worthless, obvious patent. Sigh. ..you'll be patenting worthless, obvious stuff so others won't patent it and demand royalties from you. Or, if someone tries anyway, you probably have a stupid patent they infringe on. So no, I wouldn't blame Apple from patenting the blatantly obvious, the fault is with the patent office for approving such idiocy.
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I have not seen anything here about the immense commercial power of the ITMS. I think that needs mention. It goes a long way explaining the 1M downloads.
Having downloaded ITMS / win, i, for some reason checked out the ITMS for the first time. Take a look at the front page, browse around a little...
Next think i know, i was busy downloading Herbie Hancock's Playlist for the low price of $10.99 - 70 full minutes of music, with Herbie's explanations of why the songs were meaningful to him. With album covers. Burnt on a CD and gave to my girlfriend.
Today, in response to some slashdot comments, i checked around there again... searching for a place where artists could sign up to publish their songs. However, once there, i got distracted quickly and just narrowly avoided buying more songs...
This thing is super-addictive! Just 99c per song, your login info plus credit card already conveniently stored - this is the first time on the internet that a commercial good is literally just one click away.
Click on a song, and you got it! Instant gratification. No waiting for FedEx packets... No entering credit card numbers... No delay. And just 99c. Why not check something out for under a dollar? Never, anywhere, has it been that easy to spend a dollar. And that is very, very clever.
I will not pay for MP3s, or any other lossy codec music.
If I could pay for a wav, CDQuality music (that I could burn/manage/keep just like physical property -- for as long as I pleased) then I might buy music online.
Dont be fooled friends, keep up the embargo against the RIAA -- finish them off.
I downloaded it and gave a copy to a friend and he doesn't have the net...i can't of been the only one. He also has a second hand ipod. Also he is buying a PB soon as a secondary machine. In some ways its working for Apple.
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Use all those CD-Rs to build a bridge to the moon to escape the collection agencies.
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Perhaps your thinking of Mike 'Diesel' Spindler, famous for hiding under his desk.
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...albeit for iTunes 3: Article 75451 :-)
Looks like lots of Rio, Nomad, and psa]play devices. Oh, and apparently the iPod too
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Um, I downloaded & installed iTunes for Windows and immediately began browsing the store without giving *any* personal information. I only gave personal information later that evening when I decided to buy something.
But don't you see? It has to be this way... at first.
A service like this can't survive without the music that big "corrupt" record companies control. So, for the short term, we have no (legal) choice but to let them take their 80% of the pie. If it were anything less, nothing would get off the ground. HOWEVER, despite the fact that most of the money still goes to these same big companies, iTMS (and the others) represent a major blow against their hegemony.
The big record companies actually hold two monopolies. The first, we all understand: They have "all" the music, and so we have no choice but to buy our music from them. But how do they get all the music? Because they have another monopoly: Distribution. The fact is that most artists feel they have no choice but to go to one of the major labels, how else can they get a chance at nationwide distribution? You don't just go to WalMart with a truckload of CDs from your band and expect them to be stocked on the shelves! But with indies like CD Baby being able to distribute nationwide (soon worldwide!) through these digital services, many more artists will seriously consider the indy route. Significantly greater payout, but equal access to customers? It's a no brainer!
And with the monopoly that they used to force artists to sign with them gone, it won't be long until the monopoly they hold over consumers is gone, too.
Have patience! The revolution has begun...
... is that I have to jump through a bunch of stupid hoops just to listen to the music I paid for.
My car stereo plays MP3s. My DVD player plays MP3s. My portable Rio Volt plays MP3s. I didn't spend $500 on all that stuff just to listen to music 74 minutes at a time!
If DRM means that in order to listen to music the way I want to, I have to pay a buck, download the track (5 minutes), burn my tracks to a CD (10 minutes), rip it back to MP3 (10 minutes), then burn the MP3s to another CD (10 minutes), then what exactly is the incentive for me to use iTunes?
And if iTunes has a way to easily bypass the DRM, by converting the tracks straight to MP3s, then what the hell is the DRM good for? To keep people from sniffing my internet traffic and saving the song as I download it?
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Always one URL away. Stuff arrives within a week. Real CDs, no compression, with authentic artwork and everything.
Sometimes buy.com has better deals on stuff, too.
as the price is right....
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You are a clueless idiot jackass who thinks they know better than anyone else how to do things. Why don't you just Shut The Fuck Up already?
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