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Bill Gates to Receive Honorary UK Knighthood
jolyon writes "Yahoo is reporting that Bill Gates will receive his honorary UK knighthood on Wednesday. He doesn't get to call himself 'Sir' though. He becomes a Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire."
"(Gates) is one of the most important business leaders of his age," he said. "Microsoft technology has transformed business practices and his company has had a profound impact on the British economy."
If only Knighthood came with all the grandeur that fairytales make it out to be. Luckily for Gates he falls right into the lot of Knights that were brutal barbarians who killed their competitors off by lopping their heads off with a sharp steel sword.
Among the pomp and grandeur of the formal state rooms at the palace, Gates will kneel in front of the sovereign, who will gently tap him on the shoulder with a sword.
You have to wonder if this is something like Gates received from the DOJ... "Among the pomp and grandeur of the formal courthouse, Gates will kneel in front of the judge, who will gently slap him on the wrist.
They need to name that something cool like Honorary Convicted Monopolist or something.
to have a Most Excellent Adventure through knighthood. Does this mean he call himself Bill H Gates, Esquire now? Party on Dude!
sorry, so so sorry
Oh dear lord... what's he in charge of? More importantly does this affect his borg status at all?
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So, exactly how much money does one need in order to be called "Sir"?
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I swear he received this like a year or two ago.
AHA!
and I was not wrong.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3428673.stm
Almost all of us Brits have that title. It's handed down from father to son, in the same way the family bible would be.
We all live in castles too.
When does mc chris get is knighthood?
Honestly, this is old news. I remember the story being out there over a year ago.
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The Blue Shield of Death.
Maybe the sword will slip! Hey the Queen is getting old! :)
Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire or KCOTMEOOTBE
Yes Bill, but: I believe we will not get Eddie Van Halen until we have a triumphant video.
Ted, It's pointless to have a triumphant video when we don't even have any decent instruments.
But how can we have decent instruments when we don't know how to play?
That is why we need Eddie Van Halen.
And that is why we need a triumphant video.
Excellent!
Finally, Microsoft will be able to have an official launch of their Crusade against Open Source. The Open Source heretics must die, and Bill Gates will lead the army to do it.
Java has no friends.
After Bill, Elton John, ... my dog has to be next!
... oh ya.. money.
What ever happened to the prerequisites needed for such a title? When was the last time a Mr. Nobody received the same? - Do you only need to be super public/famous/popular?
When the Beatles got their shiny trinkets alot of the old guard threatened to send theirs back. I guess it'd be to much to hope for but the sound of metal in the queen's mail-box would be more appropriate today.
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Does he become a full member of the House of Lords?
Can I challenge him to a jousting match? I'll even let him choose the OS his mechanical horse runs...
Regardless of how we feel about Microsoft as a corporation and Bill Gates as a ruthless evil business-demon, he has done wonderful things through his Bill and Melinda Gates foundation. I don't know if he is deserving of knighthood. He is a good capitalist, if that is something to be proud of.
Like the dept tagline says, all it takes is billions of dollars. Knighthood must be hurting for worthy people these days.
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Bill's first task, after being knighted, is rumored to be to changed the way we all surf. Or was that to change us all into serfs? hmmm. I forget.
He beat me to it! Guess I owe him a dollar.
Now that Bill Gates is a knight, will he be appearing as a character in various Microsoft RPG games (a la Lord British)?
How many hardcore Linux users would install a Windows partition just to play future versions of Dungeon Siege and have a chance to maim Bill Gates?
I'm a big tall mofo.
"The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them into it in the first place." (Douglas Adams)
:-)
Now all he needs is the shining armour
Seriously speaking, what is the point of all these titles given out by Elizabeth? Just another pointless title. Almost as pointless as Royalty in the UK. Can't believe so many ppl in the UK go goo goo ga gaa over Royalty in the UK.
Knight of... what?
I have a few stolen original Windows CDs. There were 80 or so in the box so, already installed on computers they had been shipped with, so I grabbed a handfull and pocketed them. So now I have them, the owner doesn't. I wasn't caught red-handed, so I'm quite safe, any control will show a bunch of legal Windows CDs. I can even sell them now for profit legally. Unless they find the original CDs are missing, and find out who took them (quite impossible now), I'm perfectly safe.
But if I copied them, the original owner would still have them. But if they checked my property they would find a box of "stolen Windows CDs" and prosecute me for them.
This is the model of the world mr Gates is promoting. Is that the virtue he received the knighthood for?
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Arise!
Sir Embrace of Extend!
Sir Protector of FUD!
Sir Blue of Screen!
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
.."Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire." Protector of the Order of the BSOD, Royal Disseminator of FUD, and Patcher of the Realm.
What does this button do...
He doesn't get to call himself 'Sir' though
With Bill Gate's kind of money & power, not only would I call myself 'Sir,' I'd tack on whatever other titles and suffixes I wanted and laugh at anyone who tried to tell me otherwise.
For starters...The Most Honorable Lord Sir Magnus Sheikh Czar BWCarty, Emperor of the Universe, Second Coming of the Mesiah, and Bringer of the Apocalypse.
Gates will kneel in front of the sovereign, who will gently tap him on the shoulder with a sword
I think this is a mockery of the title. Not that I am for titles, but this is a mockery of it!
I say take a swing!
Queen: "Blue screen of death? ill give you blue screen of death!"
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An explaination of who gets to call themselves sir.. For those not quite in the know of how the Brittish Knighting system works.
Quoting Wikipedia: "Citizens of other countries, however, may be admitted as "honorary members". They do not count towards the numerical limits aforementioned, nor are they addressed as "Sir". (They may be made full members if they subsequently become British citizens.) Notable foreign members of the Order have included Pelé, Bob Geldof, Bill Gates, Rudy Giuliani, Alan Greenspan, Steven Spielberg, Tommy Franks and Wesley Clark (all Knights Commander)."
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it's pronounced "Sir William H. Gates, the Turd"
But he's given enough of what he stole to decent charities that I say let him be crowned or sainted or venerated by the sort of people who do that sort of thing. As long as he keeps giving to charities, I just don't care.
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These are not the
"Among the pomp and grandeur of the formal state rooms at the palace, Gates will kneel in front of the sovereign, who will gently tap him on the shoulder with a sword."
That's the best sentence I've read in a long time.
I'm sure there's plenty of Slashdotters who'd rather she stabbed him with it, though... *grin*.
So the Queen Knights him. I guess he just reached the eight rank...Now I wonder, will he castle, too? :)
Slashdot has finally mastered the art of electronic paper recycling. This is just a demonstration of the technology to the investors.
"See the recycle bin?" he asked while pointing as his desktop. "Yep, I do." "Does someone come around and empty it so I get the diskspace back?"
If that crook Conrad Black can be a Lord, and a Scottish Nationalist knighted, I suppose Bill Gates being a knight is far from the strangest or the worst thing that could happen.
Okay so he runs a large company with UK offices, but so what? Microsoft has offices in every large country. So what has Bill Gates done specifically for the benefit of the UK?
he is the single largest donator in the world, he pushes causes, gives insane amounts of money to AIDS research. he is a good person as much as many will have distain for his business practices.
But if you're a Canadian, you might have to renounce your citizenship to get peerage from the UK...
Inquiring minds want to know...
nyet, from the Feb 26, 2004 article:
He will be collecting his gong from the Queen at Buckingham Palace at a "mutually convenient" time for him and Her Majesty's Government. ®
Looks like that mutually convenient time, is now.
You have to be a British Subject to be called 'Sir'. For Bill Gates, that would mean a lot of taxe$ - probably more than he is willing to spend, and very expensive indeed.
It's odd that all it takes to get the civilian hono(u)rariums that a country has to offer is a lot of dough. I watched "The age of Wal*Mart" the other night. It featured a scene where George Bush I placed the Medal Of Freedom (highest US civilian honor) around Sam Walton's neck. I was like: For what? Being really rich? Maybe there was some charity involved somewhere with either Billy Gates or Sam Walton, but on a percentage-of-wealth scale, they don't look more impressive than the same level of giving by a poorer person. Heck donating 5% of income is a heroic sacrifice for the average Wal*Mart employee, but for Sam Walton, or Bill Gates, giving 99% would leave them still extremely wealthy and living like kings. Less impressive, really than the cashier who donates 5%.
As much as the open source community loves to hate Bill and Microsoft, they have transformed the world. Contrast the office of today with that of 20 years ago. Today, almost every office worker is using his/her computer most of the day. Before, there were legions of secretaries, typists and assistants to help in the production of documents and letters.
Of course there are disadvantages but the modern ways make white collar workers much more productive.
Like it or not, Bill Gates contributed more to the good economy of the 1990s than Bill Clinton did. Yet we love Bill C and love to hate Bill G.
"I can't see the sense in it [his honorary CBE] really. It makes me a Commander of the British Empire. They might as well make me a Commander of Milton Keynes - at least that exists."
With this power of modern knighthood, does he get to wear heavy metal, listen to classical, save daimsels in distress and most importantly... is he going to design me a knightish HEV suit? Windows Knights Edition sounds good to me.
God dammit. I thought you had to be British to get knighthood. I guess you just have to be at the forefront of the world's largest corperate monopoly and at the same time, the richest nerd in the history of the universe.
When it was announced last year that Gates was to be knighted, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw paid tribute to him.
"(Gates) is one of the most important business leaders of his age," he said. "Microsoft technology has transformed business practices and his company has had a profound impact on the British economy."
Yes, at last count in 2004 it cost the UK economy BILLIONS (a rather round figure) of pounds.
As for changing business practices.. well Microsoft haven't yet forced thier patent strategy onto us, so right now we are not all suckling from thier fetid teat.
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I wouldn't worry then. That lightsabre will get 0wned by a bored 15 year old and inexplicably stab him in the eye.
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From the Yahoo blurb...
:o)
"Microsoft technology has transformed business practices and his company has had a profound impact on the British economy."
Yes indeed. The number of people employed to keep the computers running his companies products has had a great (positive) impact on the British economy.
On the other hand, it's also had a great impact (negatively) on the British economy as companies struggle day-to-day to get things done running his companies products...
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It's not a dupe, it was first announced (now) - x days/weeks/months/years ago where x is some unspecified ammount of time. Now this story has to do with the time specified in the article beforehand, in which billy would officially become a knight or something, is at hand. Mod parent -1 redundant.
Or iraqi style, with gory video to see on al-Jazeera. ;-)
Looking forward to it
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Among the pomp and grandeur of the formal state rooms at the palace, Gates will kneel in front of the sovereign, who will gently tap him on the shoulder with a sword.
Or the penguin could drive the sword into his heart, ditch the queen disguise, and quickly waddle away.
Sure, he has the money and we don't, but it is easy to say that if you were a billionaire, you would be that giving as well, it's probably harder to actually do. Let's give this man some credit where credit is due, he is doing phenomenal things with his money and (let's be honest here) he is EXACTLY what we all want to one day be: billionaire software developers.
Aye, I suppose they've got to fill the guest-list for Charlie's wedding to his horse somehow... ;-)
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Today the part of Arthur will be played by Linus and the Black Knight by Mr. Gates:
Arthur: You are indeed brave Sir knight, but the fight is mine.
Black Knight: Had enough?
Arthur: You stupid bastard. You havn't got any arms left.
Black Knight: Course I have.
Arthur: Look!
Black Knight: What! Just a flesh wound.
You can have my cynical agnosticism when you pry it from my cold, dead logic.
I would have RMS preside over the ceremony.
Careful with that sword there, boy.
-R
say what you like, but it's an easy and convenient way to get a sword near his head.
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you had to kill dragons to be a knight. Maybe Mozzilla counts, but he hasn't slayed it yet.
Anyone got an address or something I can complain to? This is downright fucked up and I don't want him a knight of my realm.
Postal address, e-mail or phone number if anyone has one. Even if we can't stop it we can clearly show we hate it.
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Hahaha little does he know, the Queen has no intention 'tapping' the sword on his shoulder..
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After seeing the first few comments, I wonder what the record is for the most Flamebait/Troll mods in one story? And shall we break that record today?
You are diluting the prospects of this record by adding off-topic posts!
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Back in the early days of Knighthood, a would-be knight had to prove his strength, valour, chivalry, courage, and other things that proved his worth to the realm. Nowadays, you can be Elton John or Mick Jagger (or good ol' Billy Gates), and you're set. Am I the only one who thinks something's gone horribly wrong here? The Queen must be sick to her stomach having to knight all these guys...
"Microsoft technology has transformed business practices and his company has had a profound impact on the British economy."
Microsoft's business practices usually have a profound impact. That's why the company has faced anti-trust cases.
Although we can't deny that Bill Gates has been a successful businessman, we can't deny that he has allowed his company to crush competition in an anti-competitive manner (according to the courts), and has not only maintained an illegal monopoly (according to the courts), but it has leveraged its illegal monopoly to force its way as a leader into other markets.
If he's so successful, why can't he promote competition? Competition is good for the end-user, just look how Firefox got Microsoft to update Internet Explorer! Bill Gates should ensure that competition is kept alive by accepting open standards.
A knighthood for bundling and lock-in. Hip, Hip, Hooray!
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I dunno, the Queen is getting on now days, what do you think the likelyhood of her coming over faint at the exact moment she is knighting him, and collapsing on the sword (putting more pressure on it than she intended), and accidentally decapitaing poor ol' Bill?
For all you nay sayers, leave me alone with my dreams!
(Darth Raymond) "I challenge you to a duel, Master Gates."
(Jedi Gates) "All right, just let me boot up my light saber."
10 minutes pass
(G) "Ok, my blade's on."
(R) "Then to battle!"
(G) "No, wait, now I need to turn on Windows Media Player so I can change my saber color."
(R) "What?"
(G) "Great, now let me close all of these pop-ups that show up whenever I turn on my saber."
(R) "You get light saber popups?"
(G) "Yes, but that'll be fixed in Service Pack 20, due out next year, barring unforeseen delays. Popups are really a normal part of dueling, you know."
(R) "You're a loony."
(G) "Am not!"
They fight. Gates is skilled, but after a few strikes his blade flickers and goes out, letting Raymond's blade slip through and destroy him.
(R) "Bill, Bill, Bill...didn't you read your own EULA? Longhorn isn't for use in airports, nuclear power plants, or other dangerous environments."
Stop learning! Only you can prevent esoterrorism.
I guess his knighthood is for services to insecurity or something then...
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I guess this means Sir Bill will soon have all of us hauled off to the digital stockades screaming, "Help! I'm being oppressed! Come see the violence inherent in the system!"
I can only apologize.
I feel so ashamed...
'he has done wonderful things through his Bill and Melinda Gates foundation'
Yeh, so would I if I were the richest man in the world, where's my knighthood.
This stinks of number swiss bank acount + a contract for Microsoft.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
I personally do not like how close Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, chancellor of the exchequer are to Gates. It seems unhealthy that they should be having meetings at such a level - especially since the use of Linux and FOSS in the goverment has been recommended, and then ignored when it comes down to purchasing time.
Obviously Gates has an interest in the use of MS within the UK Goverment, but surely this is just going over the IT decision makers heads when they sided with FOSS.
Also.. what the hell has Gates done for this country? All the sales are done via MS Ireland, not MS UK afaik.
He's the BSOD.... BLUE SIR OF DEATH!
Don't use so many caps.
If Bill were being knighted for his charitable deeds, his intelligence, maybe even his success as a businessman, I could understand this. After all, there is no denying that he is a brilliant and successful capitalist, the realization of American ideals. However, according to TFA, he's being knighted for the profound impact Microsoft has had on the British Economy. And they're greatful for this??? His company isn't out to contribute to the British economy, it's out to rape and pillage it.
Hell, let's start giving out knighthoods to oil companies because of their profound impact on the environment. Actually, that's one example we'll likely see too, with oil companies being recognized for their contributions into fuel efficiency and alternate fuels research. Argh.
I suppose instead of being one of the knights who say "NEE!", he'll be one of the knights who say "moNEY!"
Having MCSE certification doesn't make you an engineer either.
Linus is not quite a doll, compared to anyone; he is a leader. However, I agree with you in that Stallman deserves more, as he has done more than Linus or anyone else for the Free Software.
Stupidity is an equal opportunity striker.
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The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire should send Bill Gates to war in Iraq with the rest of their knights.
I have a website. It's about Macs.
What is there to know about Gates? That he gave $23 Billion dollars to charity? I'm pretty sure that matters a fuck of a lot more than inconvenience at having to deal with people using the buggy product of a monopoly. Do I like Microsoft's business practices? Hell no. Do I think Bill Gates is a pompous ass at times? Definitely. But I also deeply respect him for doing so much to help others. I can only hope that, if I had that much money, I would be caring enough to do the same, instead of purchasing my own island chain and setting up my own country.
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...without adding 'You're making a scene.'
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No, she doesn't. She runs IIS-5.0 and has done since 2001. Sadly.
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I just love the image of invaders trying to take over Great Britain, and all these recent "knights" made in the last 50 years being asked to defend the realm - Musicians, Artists, Actors, and now Bill Gates, all trying to walk in plate-mail and get up on a horse.
Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.
Well I for one will be protesting to the Queen.
It is simply not done to make a criminal (a convicted monopolist) a knight of the realm.
Oh wait... That seems to be the minimum qualification these days.
Sky subscribers are morons. They pay to be advertised at !
How about Sir Charge... Sur Charge... :P
Maybe her finger will slip... or if we're really lucky her whole hand.
I like suggestions, but I don't like contributing towards them.
News article :-)
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Who wants to be a Knight now anyway? I mean piano man is an OK song, but a Knighworthy song? I don't know about that....
Bill who is now a what?
Yeah right..
Then the President of the United States should be Torvalds/.
(Don't say the problem is that he if Finnish, ***** is a U.S. citizen but he's still knighted.)
You might want to read that more carefully. Those words "holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them" weren't put down to use up the extra ink in the pen.
With great power comes great fan noise.
For all the times I've had to listen to you Britons say "Those Americans are so bloody daft.... "
HA! So now who's gone bananas?!?
Degraded honour. What value is it to give this to a businessman.
Is he serving people? Is he even working for Great Britian. What a sham.
A peerage is a seat in the house of lords, not a knighthood.
are the UK taxpayers paying for this?
Why do I keep typing pythong?
Well, Bill Gates has written a keyboard driver which does not only drive the F1 key, but F2 to F12 too, not to mention all the other keys on your keyboard ... so if a mere F1 driver is enough to deserve knighthood, then a driver for more than 100 keys deserves it all the more! :-)
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And not phoney-baloney charities either. He's getting children immunized and properly educated, investing in our future so to speak. Plus, his hyper-aggressive business practices have pushed tens of thousands of tech-enthusiasts into Stallman's arms, increasing the liberalism of our entire society.
We're sorry Mr. Gates about all those lawsuits you lost here in Europe. And we won't even get started about that software patent rejection, we know it will greatly hinder your empire within ours. Fret not however! We have a come up with a lovely consolation prize that will surely coddle your ego and keep your delightful money in our country! How would you like to be a real live knight! Never mind that knighthood used to be reserved for only the most honorable of men (and that your business practices have always been anything but that)! We make exceptions for money...err...people we really like!
Our greatest enemy is neither a single man, nor is it a nation, it is, as it has always been, our own greed.
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Only if Jean Chretien doesn't like you ;)
OMG I misread that as Wesley Crusher...
Like I didn't have a reason to hate England before.
LK
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I totally agree. Under feudal system, peasants do all the labor and their lords do nothing but claim title to other people's work and give vague promises of protection from various villains. Yet how many peasants have been granted knighthood? Giving knighthood to Bill, Steve and Richard and leaving out Linus and Woz would be fully in keeping with ancient british tradition.
he is the single largest donator in the world, he pushes causes, gives insane amounts of money to AIDS research. he is a good person as much as many will have distain for his business practices.
So if I steal lots of money from people, give a portion to charity and pocket the rest that makes me a good person?
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of the US constitution:
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
(emphasis mine)
So, Mr. Bill could be Sir Bill if he can get Congress to pass a bill giving him permnission to receive it. As it is, he can only receive the "honorary" honour, so to speak.
Recent American KBE's (according to my friend Google) include Tommy Franks, Alan Greenspan, Wesley Clark and Andres Previn. Stormin' Norman Schwarzkopf and Colin Powell, a KCB, which IIRC is more exclusive. Of course, Reagan, Bush the First and Cap Weinberger got GCBs, which is a more exclusive degree than KCB.
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So, a person that steals, but doesnt get caught, or gets let off is not a criminal?
... even admiration, no matter how despicable one is. Depressing, and certainly an argument in favor of allowing humankind to go extinct (the sooner the better, perhaps, though as a human I'd argue the opposite despite the infestation of the species by the likes of Bill Gates), but hardly unprecidented.
Depends on which definition of "criminal" you're using (pedants can look up the definitions online).
One definition requires you to break a law, another merely to engage in acts against your society that harm others, and still another that you be convicted of violating criminal code of law. The latter is obviously a lawyer's definition, the others lay-people's usage of the language going back hundreds of years.
By the first two, Bill Gates is a criminal (indeed, he has been CONVICTED of abusing his monopoly, a civil law which he has violated). By the third, he is technically not a "convicted criminal," though he is most assuradly a "convicted monopolist."
In any event, his actions are "criminal" in the lay sense of the word -- they have done and continue to do great harm to millions, perhaps billions, of people -- and he gets a free pass because (a) he is rich, therefor Good By Definition(tm), at least in America and its satelites, and (b) he gives a smidgeon away to worthy causes, so he must be "good" no matter how many people and industries he's destroyed in getting the ill-gotten gains whose crumbs he scatters among some in dire need.
Draw your own conclusions. I find his ability to get a free pass by giving a little to a few worthy causes to be indicative of just how much money can buy
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But he's given enough of what he stole to decent charities that I say let him be crowned or sainted or venerated by the sort of people who do that sort of thing. As long as he keeps giving to charities, I just don't care.
... nevermind the millions he may have destroyed elsewhere. Be a good American(tm) and venerate him, for as a very wealthy man (never mind how he got there) he is akin to God.
It is exactly that attitude that has allowed the status quo to remain largely unchanged, despite the fact that humanity has had the resources and technical knowhow to end all poverty since about the 17th century.
As long as we get a few crumbs, we'll tolerate any amount of injustice. Add to that the vague dream that we may become one of the haves and enjoy the privelege of trampling on the have-nots that folks like Bill Gates enjoys, and we'll defend to the death their right to grind the rest of us beneath their heals.
It's OK. He's saved a few lives here
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They will opt to use a long horn in this case because this will qualify the British crown for Longhorn OS betas and free trial versions to Longhorn.
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Unfortunately these aren't the reason's cited at all. The award is for his 'oustanding contribution to the British economy'. Microsoft's taxation of software has cost our economy and our government billions. This money does not go back into that economy but to Microsoft's coffers, though I'll agree with Jack Straw's comment that, "his company has had a profound effect on the British economy."
If Bills gates wanted to contribute a little to our economy then he could give back some of the billions he looted from it.
He has given a lot to charity. But to be honest, percentage-wise it is not that much. $1 million to Bill Gates is like $4 to me. (I have calculated it) You can say he has donated a lot of money, but it was no great sacrifice.
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... I wanted the Empire to strike back.
Should we expect Linus Torvalds to be knighted around 10 years from now? Maybe RMS?
"...the shortest distance between two points may be straight line, but it is by no means the most interesting."
Whatever happened to having to earn knighthood through a lifetime of honor and commitment. I mean, c'mon, they hand out knighthood like candy. No modern knight was ever a Page, or Squire.
I'd love to see Billy-bob wearing a suit of field plate
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Thank you.
Microsoft might be an unethical monopoly, but is Gates complicit in the deaths of his own employees, as Carnegie was ?
People of the time didn't exactly have a high opinion of the steel magnate after that incident. People aren't fond of Gates now.
As an employee of the Carnegie Museums, I say give it a hundred years. We have Carnegie to thank for the museum of art, the museum of natural history, and the Pittsburgh public libraries. You think anyone remembers the labor strike?
Microsoft can't last. What Gates does with his money, however, has the potential to.
Not more pomp and tradition. You Americans might love it, but im sick of all the crap that goes on in this country. Why do we have such rubbish traditions here in the UK??
Look at Europe - yes Europe, any European hating beer drinking louts (hopefully they cant use a keyboard let alone a PC). Simple formal parliaments, not morons in an old fashioned ornate horrible old building who yell at each other like children instead of agreeing when things are a good idea, and constructively working towards a sollution to things which need solving.
Why does the prime minister have to follow silly old traditions where he goes and talks to the queen and all that crap? Hello there was a civil war, parliament won, and at that point we should have formed a secular, truly democratic state like france attempted at that point. But no... instead we have some horrible mess of inefficiency.
Dont get me started on how if the royal familly has all their money and businesses, that MY taxes that I pay for working hard, are paid to those morons who do NOTHING for me!!!
Knighthood indeed, he can have it. Outdated tacky traditional crap.
I'm a rabid Linux fan, and I detest every moment I have to test my work in IE. However, I have to say that what Bill Gates is doing outside of the computing world is nothing short from wonderful.
I have a deep interest in education, in particular, how to solve the problems we are facing without throwing more money at them. So I am heavily involved in the school issues in my neighborhood, and I am organizing people to research things we can be doing to help out the district. What Bill Gates is doing to the education field is nothing short of amazing. Most recently, he said that the current high school system should be scrapped because it is a complete waste of time. I don't know any Linux fans that would disagree with that.
He is also putting his money where his mouth is. I know that we are looking at getting some of his money to implement his plans in our own district, or at least in the final stages of getting the grant. I don't think there is a district in the US that isn't getting some benefit from what he is doing.
And he does more than that. I don't know the specifics, but I know he is working in Africa and South America trying to help raise the living standard from sub-human to at least what we would call "poverty" in the US.
That is what he is getting knighted for, and not for his achievements in amassing a huge amount of wealth. It is how he is using it that really counts.
Now, I also realize that what Bill did to the computing world was nothing short of amazing as well. Before Bill, we were a sub-culture to be derided and spit upon. Now we are cool, and our skills have street-cred. We have Bill Gates to thank for that.
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I believe he once claimed (referring to Linda Lovelace) that "only in America could a c*****cker go so far".
he has done wonderful things through his Bill and Melinda Gates foundation.
Except it's not his Bill & Melinda Gates foundation. It's his father's.
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It still exists? Coulda fooled me.
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Sheesh! First announced on January 26, 2004 and it took until March 1, 2005 to find a "mutually convenient date"?
This certainly doesn't look good in regards to getting Longhorn out any time soon...
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They're not really going to do this are they? I mean, yeah, he's made loads of money - but what has he done for Britain? Infact, what has he done for the Commonwealth in general? Just hope this doesn't give a place in the House of Lords!
Surely the Pope should be offered one of these before Gates!
He becomes a Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire
Will Bill and Ted be presenting?
OK Now I want to see the MS picture changed from Gates-Borg, to Gates-Borg head on a little Monty Python knight body on a shetlin pony with lance.
An "order" is not given for good deeds or special herotic actions. It is a recognition of power and might. The other thing is called a "medal".
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Good for him. That'll look nice on a business card, right next to his "Supreme Evil Minion" title bestowed on him by Satan himself.
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just make him King once and for all.
he already owns the Republic of Ireland.
(not to mention the unswerving loyalty of many European Subordinates)
I feel like culling someone's Corgi today.
But this would qualify as an "Excellent Adventure"
It is better to be the hammer than the anvil.
No, the not-being-called-Sir part is from Britain, not Congress. As he's not part of the commonwealth, he can't call himself Sir. It's nothing to do with America or Congress or Bush or anything, but a British thing. He's a foreign foreigner, and as such, not a Sir.
I'm sure this will humble the man.
Then again, maybe his head will balloon to the size where he will finally float off into the upper atmosphere and suffocate.
"Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives" should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
It is a Knighthood- Reduced Edition.
But Stallman's already a saint...
...for recomending Bill Gates for this honor, have been SACKED!
I can't believe the British have not given up on this royalty bullshit. When are they going to toss those inbreds out, redistribute their illgotten gains, and have a real(er) democracy?
Also Bill can buy his own island nation, declare himself King, and have an army that would be the envy of most of the world.
You can have your god back when you are old enough to handle the responsibility.
Interesting, but 'Sir' is not a title of nobility. Noble titles referred to in the U.S. Constitution are generally indicative of political power, conferring upon the recipient taxable material gain (or loss) and/or entitlement to diplomatic treatment.
Until the government says that Bill's money is illegally obtained, it's his to do with as he pleases. That he chooses to give much of it away is indeed noble. If you think he got money illegally, complain about the government's weak penalties and monopoly enforcement.
Unless you have a really low threshold for what qualifies as evil then I can't come up with any.
The OBE has long been interpreted as "Other Bloke's Effort".
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Does this mean he gets to order the Knights that are littered all over the British Empire? Queen's Knight to C3!
This must be the next installment of the "Bill and Ted" movie line... Bill and Ted's Most Excellent Order of Knighthood!
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I suggest that in most people's view, the only way to end up "good" is to be "good" all the way through.
Bad to good:
You yourself have suggested that Gates' misuse of Microsoft nullifies his later good actions.
Good to bad:
Roman Catholic Priests, once considered to be a humble and honored profession will likely never be able to move past the reputation of their peers in the eyes of the masses.
You're absolutely right, good virtue is good virtue, and evil is evil, but most people won't see it that way.
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Some of these grand acts include getting the naming rights on university libraries etc, but all involve a lot of fanfare to boost PR.
Let's face it, this positive PR is working. There are a lot of people who have their opinion of Bill softened by this.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
Anyone can call himself what he want. UK may disagree and not reocognize/use such title but it doesn't matter if people do. (Lord British for example).
The emporer has already knighted him Darth Gater, sith lord.
I might know what I'm talkin' about, but then again, this is Slashdot...
2. Greet kneeling Gates with a smile
3. Lop off his head with Excalibur
Bill is dead. Long live Bill!
really is...
Bill S. Gates, esq? A MOST EXCELLENT knight!
Damn, grandparent beat me to the joke, and parent beat me to complaining about being beaten to ):
I however, will simply beat you.
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this is a restriction to hold public office. ordinary citizens are unaffected.
i doubt there's trouble even when someone already knighted wins office, this is geared towards preventing bribary. does anyone know whether people have been made to renounce titles before taking office?
It's actually KBE.. we're British remember, we have a more sensible approach to acronyms.
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By now I'd think he'd have already leveled as an Anti-Paladin!
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Sir William H. Gates III and in the same day it seems that open source code in the UK will die. That is not a rhino next to your sofa. No, there is no rhino there.
Excellent. Most egggscellent...
How can the Lord of the Sith be knighted?!?!?
Economic development saves lives. Millions and millions of them.
Bill Gates' business practises have stunted development the world over. Hence: "the millions [of lives] he may have destroyed elsewhere".
The award for outstanding achievement in the field of excellence....
Nope. So far from it.
:-)
What gripes me is that he does things that are illegal, and gets away with it. Thats it. Just and only.
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Aren't these influential men also deserving of Knighthood?
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From the sounds of it, Bill Gates has the cheapest, most common knighthood that the Queen can bestow. The Queen gets to pick the honors on her birthday, but the regular honors list is dictated by the Prime Minister.
Most likely, the Prime Minister told the Queen to give Mr Gates a knighthood, and the Queen told Blair where he could stuff his ideas, with this being the best compromise they could agree on. After all, I doubt they believe Americans would understand the insult or even know there had been one.
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SIR CRASH-A-LOT.
We are the coders who say NEE!
How does this affect the outcome of the EU lawsuits against MS?
Will it have an impact on future MS trade in Europe?
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What would make you happy? If NONE of his work was publicized so he couldn't take credit for it? You do realize that large amounts of publicity can only help his charitable efforts right?
Or maybe you'd rather he didn't write it off of his taxes. God forbid. Just out of curiosity though, I'd love to know the things you've written off on your taxes.
Why don't YOU put your money where your mouth is before you crap all over the success of those who already have.
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I'm sorry, but Gates was a Master of Manipulation. He squashed many technically better products using monopoly influence and "lock-in" marketing. The computer industry would probably be better off without Microsoft. Con artists don't deserve to be knighted.
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So all I have to do to receive honorary knighthood is set an industry back about 20 years? I'll get right on that...
When you look at the state of the world, how can you not become a radical, liberal anarchist?
He should get the Nobel Peace Prize for his huge charity contributions to the world's children. Probably not until he retires from MicroSoft.
What worries me most is that when they tap him on the shoulder, they will cut away that Borg connection he has: http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicms.gif
nothing short of fantabulously amazing! ;)
"How like you to drag your keyboard to a gun fight." - Aaron Bedard (BANE)
Bill's desperate attempt at being a real man...
This would be most excellent. I would either wear armor everywhere I went upon my noble steed, or start to where my Jedi cloack everywhere. I can't decide which. There needs to be a StrongBad Email regarding this.
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Bill Gates getting Knighthood is about roughly the same as Yassir Arafat getting a Nobel Prize. These things are all rigged to be handouts for cronies now.
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
Now, can we get Jesse Jackson knighted?
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"Most Excellent Order of the British Empire?" What an adventure!
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Well, after having played with Linux for hours on end to build my MythTV box, some may claim that those billions spent on Windows have been more than made up in increased worker productivity. What took me 30+ hours to get kind of working under Linux, I had working in 1 hour under Windows. For most of the tasks most people want to do, Microsoft has produced a good operating system. Most people don't have the time or knowledge to edit *.conf files,compile source code, etc..., they just want something that works. I'm sure at this time you want to go into a tirade about how windows doesn't work because of how many viruses Windows gets and so on. However, if another OS had the market share that Windows had, people would be writing viruses for those OSs too.
Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire
Most excellent? Is UK run by Bill & Ted now?
I hear philathropists such as Carnegie were actually pretty slimy too. I guess that makes Gates a classic.
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Exactly how much money does on need to get you to RTFA and see that he can't use the title "Sir?"
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1. Donate money to HIV/AIDS foundations, donates to Tsunami relief
2. ????
3. profit?
You may have a point in SOME instances. Especially with the recent news that he said High Schools are "obsolete" because they are not teaching what employers and colleges want. I'm sure he will try to fit microsoft into the solution somehow.
Personally, I don't think college taught me what employers want, but oh well.
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Grrr someone just defiled that Wikipedia entry right as I was reading it... I was reading the real version, and when I went to edit it, noticed it was changed to useless garbage....
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I don't know that any of us can comment on Mr. Gates' intentions. Only he (and maybe people close to him) really knows the intentions of his actions. In the end he is the one who has to live with his own conscience and if he's greedy and doing it just to get an extra $100,000 tax refund then that is his problem. If he's doing it out of guilt for being the leader of a monopoly then that is also his problem.
In the end the "Teen Beat" article could well have been the brightest moment in his career.
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I dont really get how much geeks really simplify to good and evil, dude.. you CANT always do good, sometimes you get in the gray area, its HOW LIFE WORKS, in the REAL world.Linux geeks like to be a pain in the ass of bill, its like the media and michael jackson.. gosh. Gates really do wonderfull things for the poor, I dont see Jobs or any other bilionare geeks doing the same.
Sometimes it's strange how the world works isn't it?
Of the Constitution states:
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
Office of profit? Perhaps that means someone who controls vast amounts of money.
Does this deny, and make unconstitutional Bill Gates's "reward"?
I believe that Mr. Gates is an extraordinary person. He is a great business man, promotes arts and donates his time and money to worthwhile endeavors. In the African-American community he is a somewhat of a hero. He has gone to great lengths to provide us with scholarships and jobs. You will not find many people like Mr. Gates. I believe that he is one of the greatest people of our time. He deserves the recognition.
Whatever you think of his competitive strategies you have to admit that his contribution to our advancement is substantial.
If you think the computer industry would be anywhere near as advanced without him and MS you are nucking futs.
(If at first you don't succeed, do it different next time!)
OK, so now Prince Charles gets to marry his long-time flame, Camilla (ugh... he has no taste for women whatsoever) and Bill Gates gets to be knighted by the Queen. Now, dear Britons, what would you say about becoming a republic?
That the Queen will slip with the sword. Off with his head!
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GCB = Knight Grand Cross of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath
KCB = Knight Commander of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath
KBE = Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire
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Seriously it's like that woman knights anyone that comes by lately. Given the man has done great things with charity's (Gates) but is she in a compeition with the pope to Kight/Cannonize more people before the other dies?
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The last time I checked lying, cheating, and stealing were evil.
You are morally bankrupt if you think this is a 'low' threshold.
The test you should use with Microshaft is ask yourself the following question: "Would I be willing to admit to my parents/spouse/friends that I as a person did what Microsoft did?" If the answer is no - then it is clearly wrong - even if it is technically 'legal'.
If nothing Microsoft has done bothers you - then please share your name with the rest of us so we can avoid you because you will obviously be the person who doesn't return the power tools you borrow, steals money from my kid's piggy bank, and thinks it's okay to enter my home uninvited and help yourself to the food in my pantry.
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What "office of profit or trust" does BG hold?
Did you complain when Ronald Regan accepted a knighthood in 1989?
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And if you think that your neighbor not returning your power tool is "evil", then yes, you do have a low threshold for what you consider evil.
I'd consider someone like that an asshole, jerk and yes, someone I'd want to avoid. I would not consider him evil though.
I reserve that term for rapists or murderers and Hitlers and Stalins.
If your test for what qualifies as evil is what you're embarassed to tell your parents about then I suspect you would consider about 95% of the people on slashdot "evil" since most people here would not willingly tell their parents about all of the porn sites they have visited on the internet.
"King" or "Emperor" seems to be more the title he's aiming for.
"Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past." -- George Orwell
If they're just giving these away (which is apparently the case if Big Bill is getting one), then can I have one to? Oh, and a couple extra for my friends and my dog?
Things you can say to your dog that you can't say to a girl: "How about a nice bone?"
Something about that full title just makes me visualize billg waving his lightsaber around and making whooshing noises with his voice.
Deduct a few seconds from your 15 minutes of fame. The parent was quoted on Good Morning Silicon Valley.
Do you KNOW how tax deductions work?
Yes, I do, thanks for asking. I give to charities every year and don't advertise it.
Gates, on the other hand, does it and advertises it (this is par for most companies).
Why?
To get folks like yourself to go "but hey, he does this and therefore he can't be bad!"
This is an old tactic used by PR firms to change public perception of a company.
Or did you know that?
IANAL, but I've seen actors play them on TV
Yup, if what you said was only true...
IANAL, but I've seen actors play them on TV
As much as humanity has all the resources to technically end poverty, but human nature is the most important barrier to that goal.
So lets say one day when you wake up, suddenly everyone on the planet has a decent amount of money and a comfortable house. How long do you think it will stay that way before a group of people slip down the road of poverty again?
People would gamble, deal with drugs, spend their money on unnecessary things, go into debt, once again.
The originally-poor people would then think "Hey, since I've got some bit of cash on me for the first time in a long time, why not gamble it and start making more money?"
Bill Gates is the Osama bin Laden of the Internet and should be locked up for all the harm he's done, which by the way exceeds the economic damage caused by the real Osama bin Laden.
MS-viruses, worms, trojans alone cost billions in lost productivity every quarter. That's not counting other security problems caused by MS' shoddy products and lack of security. Other platforms and software are largely immune to worms and viruses, at worst they are merely resistent. Then there's the lost productivity due to MS' difficult, labor intensive mainenance and egregious interoperability with competing tools. The competing tools do, in contrast, work just fine together, only Bill's tools cause trouble. MS' interoperability is poor even between other MS products. All that costs money and burns people out, which in turn costs money.
What Gates and his company did between 1993-1998 was a crime, pure and simple. He and his flunkies took a healthy, wealthy, competitive market that was good for everybody and crushed it with OEM agreements, giveaways and secret API's. This is an established truth from the US trial statement of facts.
To really put the damage in context, it's not like the company brings in any tax dollars either. It pays no taxes, so aside from campaign contributions, nothing goes into the system. The mythical billions the company is rumored to be sitting on is either out of circulation, thus harming the economy, or are fictional Enron style accounting.
Ok. So what's left? His philantropic seem to be based on getting matching funds for purchases of expensive medications manufactured by the multi-national pharmaceuticals he has invested heavily in. The targeting of the so called gifts can also be questioned as they have the appearance of an agenda to persuade beneficiary governments to reverse policies promoting the use of open source software.
He should be locked up.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
It is the actions that I see as evil. An evil act is a deliberate act that does harm to others - no matter how small or large.
Taken in isolation, one event does not make a *person* 'evil' unless it is a significantly immoral act (like murder). However, many 'small' acts repeated over and over again (such as stealing, lieing, cheating) can point to the overall character of a person as being evil - they obviously have no remorse about their actions.
The bottom line is I was focusing on the act itself, as informing the character of the individual. If someone does something wrong that is not heinous then apologizes and does no wrong from then on, I would not consider that evil. However, if someone continues to injure me over and over - I will at some point determine that the person does not have a shred of moral fibre in them - and thus will break off contact, or in the case of Microsoft I will stop buying their products.
This is why Microsoft is evil - their accumulation of wrongs lead me to believe they do not have the best interests of their customers or society in general at heart. If you can not see that - then you either work for them, have a very skewed view of right and wrong, or both.
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