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Beastie Boys' New Album Silently Installs DRM Code
nfsilkey writes "After more than five years, the Beastie Boys have released a new album. It seems that the retail disc is bundled with a copy protection autoinstaller which silently silently puts itself onto the listener's computer. Many listeners are up in arms and some are venting their frustrations on the band's website."
Not my version of the album....
I was under the impression that installing software on the user's computer without asking is illegal?
Your freedom and your privacy are what I expect!
That's not cool. Makes me kinda wonder why they put out this album anyway ($$$?).. I love their old stuff but I'm not sure their old passion was really in this work anyway.
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(O.o) This is Bunny. (> <)
Let's see, this is something that spreads without the user's consent, and is probably difficult to get rid of. Sounds like a virus to me.
It's hard to believe that a band that has prided itself on pushing the envelope and being controversial would do something like this. These people obviousle cared enough to buy the CD, why would the record industry need to protect themselves from them? It's just another way for them to control what we can and cannot do, thereby infringing on my rights. When I can't even listen to my music without worrying about what programs may be being installed on my computer, we've let them go too far.
As a computer, I am amused by the faith you have in technology.
Technically, if your product silently installs software without the users knowledge, wouldn't that put it in the same league as spyware, as defined by some of the more recent bills passing through Congress?
I bought "To The 5 Boroughs" (cause I'm representin' Manhattan), and ripped all the tracks to my iPod with no problems. Just what does the DRM code do?
I'm on a Mac, is this another case where I'm missing out on the DRM fun because of platform neglect? (There IS a Mac partition on the disc, but all it seems to have on it is a Macromedia presentation with a QuickTime movie.)
What about fighting for your right to party??? Music makes the party. They are selling out these days.
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I didn't notice anything wrong with the version that I downloaded off the newsgroups.
Yo Bender wanna make some noise
Get your harddrive scratched by the Beastie Boys!
I suffer from attention surplus disorder.
That a band with a name like Beastie Boys would do something so beastie to your computer
Don't tell me that if this really bothered them, they couldn't start their own damn label and find their own distribution channels. The time when artists of with this level of success and that large of a following still had to play the corporate bullshit game is over. Period. Contract, you say? Break up, add a fucking backup dancer and call yourselves something else. No excuses, put your money where your mouth is.
"You know why you do not see me styling wit my homies? Because I have no homies!!" -Mojo Jojo
I'm sure the RIAA said it was OK. Get over it. Besides, I sure if you gave the Hon. Senator Orrin Hatch a call he would help clarify the importance of the issue. You'd just have to get past the "Beastie who??" questions first...
Grrrr!!!
I just bought this CD, the first CD I've bought in over 2 years. A friend told me I could copy hers, but I said no, I want to pay for it. $10 at Worst Buy.
It did rip fine though, no problems there. DRM-free mp3s work fine.
I heard the Velvet Revolver CD does something along the same lines. I bought it today, and there was a sticker on it that said that the CD was protected by copy protection. When I inserted the CD, two separate volumes mounted- one with the audio, and one with some "other" files on it. Nothing launched when the CD was inserted, and iTunes said nothing when I ripped it into my Library and then onto my iPod. Weird.
It was mentioned in one of the linked articles that there is no MacOS uninstaller. That's no surprise to me, but I sure would like to know where any files could have been installed to. I'm sure it's just a matter of time before someone figures out how to get any DRM/crippling software off of our systems.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those with loaded guns, and those who dig.
it should be flat out illegal for anybody to install software on someone elses computer w/o the owners written permission - that goes for spyware, virus, marketing research firms, even Microsoft, and this. Just because you're network connected or pop in a CD doesn't give everybody and his brother the right to take over part of your machine in ANY way. It's so bizarre that govt. enforces access rights for govt business and military machines but personal home computers, pfft, it's like an open free for all.
try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
subtle, but effective.
A few folks already ripped it. I won't to stick this CD in my machine to burn a MP3 CD for my car...
I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man,
I'm just a mortal with potential of a super man.
for your right!
to partty!
without your computer being trojaned by the FskIng MUSIC CD!@#
Must have been copy protected...!
SBC stands for Stupid Bell Company
AT&T stands for All Telephones Tapped
I wonder if the band had to pay for the DRM as part of the studios recoupment fees.
Well, someone had to come up with a "it's part of their plan" post.
Sabotage (Ill Communication)
I Can't Stand It I Know You Planned It
I'm Gonna Set It Straight, This Watergate
I Can't Stand Rocking When I'm In Here
Because Your Crystal Ball Ain't So Crystal Clear
So While You Sit Back and Wonder Why
I Got This Fucking Thorn In My Side
Oh My, It's A Mirage
I'm Tellin' Y'all It's Sabotage
So Listen Up 'Cause You Can't Say Nothin'
You'll Shut Me Down With A Push Of Your Button?
But Yo I'm Out And I'm Gone
I'll Tell You Now I Keep It On And On
'Cause What You See You Might Not Get
And We Can Bet So Don't You Get Souped Yet
You're Scheming On A Thing That's A Mirage
I'm Trying To Tell You Now It's Sabotage
Whyyy; Our Backs Are Now Against The Wall
Listen All Of Y'all It's A Sabotage
Listen All Of Y'all It's A Sabotage
Listen All Of Y'all It's A Sabotage
Listen All Of Y'all It's A Sabotage
I Can't Stand It, I Know You Planned It
But I'm Gonna Set It Straight This Watergate
But I Can't Stand Rockin' When I'm In This Place
Because I Feel Disgrace Because You're All In My Face
But Make No Mistakes And Switch Up My Channel
I'm Buddy Rich When I Fly Off The Handle
What Could It Be, It's A Mirage
You're Scheming On A Thing - That's Sabotage
Comparing it to Windows will be a moot point, since El Dorado is going to have a 40% larger code base than XP.
To quote from_ disc_ha.html
http://www.boingboing.net/2004/06/11/new_beasties
You gotta fight for your right to copy!
Isnt this the software that you can avoid installing by just holding the Shift key?
Why DRM won't work, and why it's not good for any of the parties involved.
Treehugger? Treehugger... Treehugger!
Silent installs eh?
/.'ed....
Isn't that contrary to a few computer crime statutes currently in effect in the USA?
Or do they not apply to good corporate citizens like the RIAA membership (who, after all, are just saving us from ourselves)?
And yes, 11 minutes after posting on Saturday night, the referenced discussion link is
Wasn't there an article many months (years?) ago about how to circumvent this kind of thing by holding "shift" as you insert the disc? Yes, that's a Windows-only solution, but I don't see this kind of problem affecting Macs or Linux machines.
Wait, is mentioning that little workaround considered a DMCA violation?
STOP MISUSING APOSTROPHES, YOU MORONS!!!
I think it's kinda neat that they're streaming digital audio in MPeg-4 over shortwave radio these days. /joke
;)
Seriously, DRMondiale is pretty cool if you get a good signal
try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
I personally hope that a CD I buy installs something on my computer. Really. 'Cuase I'm walking into the DA's office and demanding prosecution under 609.88 the next day. And as a highly paid professional, I know I can bill my time that any 10 second problem will turn into the maximum allowable penalty pretty darn quick...
609.88 Computer damage.
Subdivision 1. Acts. Whoever does any of the following is guilty of computer damage and may be sentenced as provided in subdivision 2:
(b) intentionally and without authorization or with intent to injure or defraud alters any computer, computer system, computer network, computer software, or any other property specifically defined in section 609.87, subdivision 6;
Subd. 2. Penalty. Whoever commits computer damage may be sentenced as follows:
(a) To imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $50,000, or both, if the damage, destruction or alteration results in a loss in excess of $2,500, to the owner, or the owner's agent, or lessee;
(b) To imprisonment for not more than five years or to payment of a fine of not more than $10,000, or both, if the damage, destruction or alteration results in a loss of more than $500, but not more than $2,500 to the owner, or the owner's agent or lessee; or
(c) In all other cases to imprisonment for not more than 90 days or to payment of a fine of not more than $700, or both.
the mark of the Beastie?
couldn't resist...ank
Still hoping for Gentle Treatment...
This is one of the reasons to disable autorunning of CDs. It's nice yes, but really, it's not a big deal to take the extra step to go to the CD and run setp. Since this sort of game of actually installing software without asking seems to be getting popular, it's a good rpeventitive step.
c es\Cdrom and set the Autorun value to 0. You cal also download TweakUI from Microsoft (go to Microsoft.com and search for TweakUI) which will change the key for you, as well as altering other behaviour.
To shut it off, open your registry editor and go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Servi
When you do this, Windows will no longer popup and do anything when you put a disk in. Instead, it will wait for you to do something. For normal data disks, this means you'll have to go run setup yourself. For evil audio disks such as this, they'll simply never install their BS and you can play as normal.
at least the band page (forum) seems to be down, should be the /. effect.
Maybe that tells someone a lesson. "beware of the masses" or so.
Depressing that one of my favourite acts publishes such dumb stuff. I like those guys. Should not have given up their own label after all, as it seems...
thats ill
It asks can it install.
I answered "No".
Then I ripped with EAC.
Then I encoded it with oggdrop.
Then filed the physical CD away.
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memepool article, complete with link to security focus memo.
I don't think I'll ch-ch-ch-check...check it out! Cause DRM's what it's all about!
And even if you do get round the protection, the burner software may check for "Proper Licensing" anyway. I know MusicMatch does.
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- Douglas Adams
Is my understanding right that it is only a Windows program? I use both MacOS and several Linux distros and I am exteremly offended they didn't make it compatible with the platforms I feel comfortable using!
Creative Demolition
DRM is one thing; installing spyware is quite another. Sounds like its time for a class action suit against EMI over this.
"Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
I see no copy protection!
no more rhyming and stealing, eh?
e.
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I won a copy of the CD last night at a bar.
When I saw the "Copyright Control" logo on it, I held down shift when I put it into my drive. That was a good plan, because I explored the CD and found all that CRM crapola in the autorun file.
Ripped it with iTunes. It ripped fine, but VERY slowly. (2x, compared to the usual 16x.)
Does it make you happy you're so strange?
It's all becoming 80's remakes now.
If you like specific music styles, then go to http://www.iuma.com.
In most cases, you can try the whole song in high quality and decide if you like it. If you do, then you can pay the artist directly if they have albums to sell.
I haven't been to a music store in ages because I'd rather support the independents.
This is just another example of why Linux is not ready for the desktop. I should be able to buy this CD and put it in my Linux box and NOT be able to rip it just like on Windows. Until Linux can run all of my important software (DRM controls, Kazaa, Gator, Sobig virus, and various spyware), I'll just stick with windows.
Seriously, this is just stupid. I would guess that most pirated MP3s that are being shared out there have been downloaded from someone else, not ripped from the original CD. So it really only takes a few people with either a linux box or enough sense to turn of autorun on their CD drive to be able to spread pirated MP3s all over the world. This can't possibly stop anything and will likely piss off the people that are supposed to be customers.
It's a simple fact that people expect to be able copy their CDs.
Quotes from the story links...
"It seems that Capitol Records has some sort of new copy protection system, that automatically, silently, installs "helpful" copy protection software on MacOS and Windows as soon as you insert the CD into default systems."
"They include some sort of uninstaller buried on there for Windows, but I see no such thing for MacOS."
I've never heard of something like the "autorun" feature for Mac OS. Is there one? Or was the person who wrote this unfamiliar with Mac OS and just presumed it had one?
Download TweakUI from the MS Power Toys section, it will let you change a slew of settings. Including disabling autorun.
I'm also pretty sure that holding shift when you put the cd in will do the same thing.
Bugs are just features that have been fixed.
If I buy a CD its for the music, not for any other multi-media crap on the disk. If I stick in my PC I simply will not even try to mount it even if it supposedly does have a data track. I'd love to see some viral DRM app install without even a mount. I'd actually be quite impressed if said viral DRM app managed to get installed on my Slackware Box period even if I did mount the disk, and no I rufuse to help it out by either working as root. Actally no matter what the band is if I suspected their CD did this kinda stuff I would NEVER buy it and would probably write the artist and the label if it was a group I cared about just to let them know they lost a customer because of how they treat their customers. I still expect to be treated well when I patronize a business and I expect them to understand that if they give me a hard time I WON'T be back even if I have to pay much more some place else for service/good foo. As far as this software goes though users should take steps. 1. Never put music disks purchase post 2002(t o be safe) into your PC when you are running as a user who is privilaged enough to install software, regardless of your OS, hopefully this will prevent it from being installed. 2. Run a firewall that filters outbound connections as well as inbound don't want any spy/drm wares calling home. 3. Make an attempt to use some other media player to play the vids or whatever is on the disk rather then any software from the disk, if its on the disk is probably spyware. /me wonders what all would be needed to use wine in a chroot setup....
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With an Open Source based system, hidden features are almost impossible. This results in a mentality among the developers of leaving the user in control. That's why Mozilla had pop-up blocking before IE. That's why, in its default configuration, Konqueror asks if you want to accept cookies from every website, whereas IE happily accepts them all unless you configure it not to. That's why by default Evolution does not execute attachments or load images (with potential web bugs) into an email when it views it. These factors together are why there aren't Linux viruses: executing code is under the user's control because nothing is hidden at any level.
And I think that this is the underlying reason why countries such as Germany are adopting Linux as a desktop system. They can't really know whose interests Microsoft is aligned with, but they can take a good guess that MS' interests aren't solidly aligned with theirs, and they don't want to give up control in such a situation. Hence Linux. This is the biggest problem that closed source OS vendors must face, and there's no real answer to it other than to open the OS and application software.
This post submitted from Konqueror, running on my Suse desktop system.
Lately people have been prosecuted for writing a virus, well, whoever wrote this needs to be prosecuted the same way.
1. It is malicious (prevents you from copying the CD as you noramlly would be able to.
2. It silently installs itself, masquarading as a
standard Audio CD (I'm sorry, 5" music disc)
How is that different than any other trojan horse?
Does anyone else find it ironic that the inside flap of the album is halfway filled up with copyright notices for all the samples the Beastie Boys used to create this album...
Would it have even been possible to make this album if the sources of those clips had been DRM restricted?
also, did anyone else notice the outer sleeve of the album states: "Although this product is intended to play on most CD players and operates on most personal computers ... Capitol Records is not liable if it does not or if it damages any CD players, computers, peripherals, or data."
And instead of calling itself a CD it has a logo that says "Enhanced CD", and it's noted that "'Enahanced CD' is a certification mark of the RIAA."
I want to show my rage and boycott this CD. Problem is, the Beastie Boys are a shallow, washed-up mockery of what they used to be and I wasn't going to buy this piece of crap anyway. What do I do?
Nope. In fact they are trying to sell the CD on tv advertisements on daytime and late-night TV, very obviously marketing towards an aging fan base that now works and has disposable income.
I think they were selling the CD for around $15 plus $5 shipping and handling. Yeah, $20 for a CD with a bunch fo two minute songs. NOT!!!!!!
I was already highly suspicious of them after seeing the late night tv ads for their cd, but this DRM crap solidifies that the beastie boys have lost it.
I'll just point out that this is just another reason to buy vinyl. You can always rip it back onto your computer, iPod, etc.
That's different. There's Autoplay and Autorun.
Autoplay (which you are talking about) just tells Windows what to do when you insert a disc containing certain types of content (images, audio, etc.). It won't start an installer or do anything bad. It can be configured or turned off when inserting one of these discs or through the properties for the drive. It can also be setup separately for removable media (such as USB drives and cameras).
Autorun can be used to launch any program/command, and can be used to start installers on the CD or programs on your computer, which is why most commercial software and games will pop up a window with options when you insert the disc. Leaving this on will leave you at the mercy of the people who made the CD. It can be turned off like the GP poster explained, or temporarily disabled by holding SHIFT when inserting the disc.
Autoplay is actually kind of cool, but unfortunately it requires Autorun being enabled. I can live without it though.
Well slashdotting seems like a fit punishment, don't you think?
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This is the first I've heard of copy protection being installed through autorun on Mac OS, but yes, there is autorun. In fact there was a worm that spread this way a couple years back.
You can disable it in QuickTime preferences on both OS X and OS 9. That's one of the first things I do on any new system.
Wow - I'm *really* not going to be buying any more CDs anytime soon, then. Way to go EMI, gutting your own business and all!
Good stuff man. ... when the DOS attack is over, that is :)
You should post it to the forums on the band's website
Also-- Anyone else notice the new FBI warning about piracy on the back of the case? Funny.
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I bet it does not install on os x or linux...
||| I still can't believe Parkay's not butter.
Couldn't resist....
A tip: save Eva's pita.
when boys who where rebels become middle aged...
Beastie boys my ass
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And it won't play on my car CD player. So, it's going back to Futureshop and I am going to demand my money back.
What pisses me off more than anything is the way they manage to play it so that most people won't know that theres anything different. Everyone who buys this should at the very least be clearly told what they are buying and not some sugar coated version of the truth. Its just really sneaky and weasly.
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little boys with dangerous toys
all bow down to the beastie boys
and freedom of speech won't feed my children
just brings heart disease and bootleg clothing
just brings heart disease and bootleg clothing
-Nicky Wire of Manic Street Preachers.
-Drache Kubisuro
From Microsoft's description:
Turns off the Autoplay feature.
Autoplay begins reading from a drive as soon as you insert media in the drive. As a result, the setup file of programs and the music on audio media start immediately.
By default, Autoplay is disabled on removable drives, such as the floppy disk drive (but not the CD-ROM drive), and on network drives.
If you enable this setting, you can also disable Autoplay on CD-ROM drives or disable Autoplay on all drives.
This setting disables Autoplay on additional types of drives. You cannot use this setting to enable Autoplay on drives on which it is disabled by default.
Note: This setting appears in both the Computer Configuration and User Configuration folders. If the settings conflict, the setting in Computer Configuration takes precedence over the setting in User Configuration.
Note: This setting does not prevent Autoplay for music CDs.
The SuperDrive on my PowerBook couldn't handle the copy protection on a CD I bought a while back, so I simply stopped buying CD's because I use my computer as my stereo, and some stores don't take returns. I have an iPod too. If it won't go on my iPod, I don't want it. I didn't have a problem with buying CD's before. I used to buy tons of them. I'd even buy a whole album just for one song, rather than just getting a single. I'm the kind of customer they are alienating. I've decided to just boycott buying music because of this. There's always radio anyway, internet or free-to-air.
What I'd like to see are stores that specifically sell CD's without this kind of crap. These "copy protection" labels are usually hidden very obscurely in the fine print. I'd like to see CD's with huge "NO COPY PROTECTION" labels on them that you could see from across the music store. And I'd like online MP3 download music services for independent music getting together. I can't access the iTunes Music Store. It is taking too slow to get to different countries, and they sell music from the record companies I want to boycott anyway.
Here are a list of the MP3 sites I've come up with. If other people know of other sites, please post them. And if I'm mistaken about any on this list, please say so.
used to like the BB..
now they can suck... well..
later 'BOYS'
anime+manga together at last.. in real time.
They're entertainers. Revolution was never their intent. MONEY is their intent. All rock bands want to get rich and famous once they get signed. If they can flaunt their politics and change the world along the way, hey, that's cool. But those checks had better keep coming. Anyone that thinks that this isn't the aim of almost all bands from the start are fools. And please, use John Lennon as an example. Paul McCartney has said that during songwriting, Lennon would say things like "Cool, I've got a boat, now let's write a Pool" when penning new songs.
There's no such thing as a band "selling out". That's naive bullshit. They're an entertainment act, created to make lots of money. Period. They preach the revolution, because they know you guys will pony up your cash and buy into it. It sells records.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
And this highlights the major flaw behind the "This doesn't happen on MY platform," argument. If you are advocating that Windows sucks because it has the most viruses, or spyware, etc and people should therefore switch to your platform (Mac, Linux, whatever) since it does not, you are misunderstanding cause and effect.
The reason that people target Windows is because it is, BY FAR, the largest consumer OS. Well over 90% of desktops run it. Thus if you want the widest distribution of something, be it software or malware, Windows is your target. However, should another platform raise to dominance, or even just large enough to make it make sense, you'll see it targeted as well.
An excellent example of this in action is website malware. Some sites you browse to try and install some crappy software on your computer, usually spyware but sometimes worse. Now for a good while, this was an IE only problem. It was all ActiveX apps, so only IE users were ever prompted to install.
However Mozilla/Firefox are getting to be quite popular these days. The number of converts I know continues to grow, and it's not just the tech savvy crowd either; I know plenty of non-savvy users who are now non-IE.
Well, the malware writers have responded to the trend, and now many sites attempt to throw an XPI at you if you are on Mozilla/Firefox, as well as the ActiveX control for IE. The market is now big enough (and the additonal work minimal enough) to warrant doing this.
So, if one of the main reasons you like Linux, OS-X, or any other non-Windows platform is that it remains below the radar of most virus writers, spyware authors, and so on then I suggest you work to KEEP it that way and DON'T advocate it. You don't want it becomming big because, if it does, you'd have to abandon it for another platform.
If you do want Linux/Mac growing to dominance, that's great, but then don't try to argue benefits gained form obscurity. If Linux becomes dominant then most apps will be written for it. This includes legitimate software, and malware alike. Both kinds of authors will target what is the most popular and espically in the case of malware, where the most clueless users reside.
Tripple J ( youth national radio network in Australia ) reviewed the CD recently and said that many of their songs had political statements against the bullshit greed and right-wing idiology running rampant through the current US government.
Strange that they are critical of their government yet side with the record companies on this issue. Maybe they don't mean what they say? Or purphaps the record company pulled this one of them without telling them?
I certainly won't be buying it anyway. I'll add it to the not-worth-buying-but-good-download-potential list.
not run as administrator, that way they wouldn't be able to 'install' anything. Nor could any holes in IE, general spyware, etc.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
And if they say no, the goddamned thing doesn't play, they take it back to the store and get a refund.
What this evil corporation is saying, is: "Fuck you. We own you. We own your computer. You'll take it and like it, because protecting our digital rights trump fucking up your piece of shit from Dell, you fucking Joe Sixpack sheeple. If you don't like it call your Congresscritter. Oops, we own it, too."
They say the first thing to go is your penis. Well, it's either that or your brain. I forget which...
...used to be enabled in the Mac world, until a virus went around a few years ago (pre-X) that used that feature to propagate. Now it's not. Interestingly, I don't recall ever hearing about anything similar for Windows; corporate-sponsored malware like this, yes, but not viruses.
on my PC? - yet another reason that the free product is a far better product
The Beastie Boys site seems to be down.. since half an hour ago actualy...
Maybe some hackers acualy buyed the cd. and got mad.
Hivemind harvest in progress..
That just by switching to another os or hacking some registry key is the answer to everything. It's not that you can do this or that and minimize all of the problems it's the fact that you believe it's the only way. For example i just read:
When you can't even listen to your music without worrying about what programs may be installed on your computer, you need a different operating system.
Switching os's isn't the answer! hell i hate windows but i have to use it everyday for my job and ends up being a functional part of my life, i'm not going to just up and switch to linux or unix or even mac, i couldn't use them our software at work is all windows programming so not to put the others down i have a freebsd box at home, but the simple fact of not being able to run my windows box and be left alone is utterly rediculous.
I shouldn't have to go hack my registry or turn off autoplay to listen to an audio cd so it won't install malicious programs, i shouldn't be made to use mozilla or opera just to stop spyware from my computer. I like everything just the way it is and i don't want to go and alter my whole life because all of these RIAA assholes, stupid 14 year old kids in Germany writing viruses, and EVERY company that has EVER created a program that ever ran on my computer without my concent are all trying to basically hack my box which is illegal period.
Switching os's is good for a couple years then shit will come out for that one, and of course the intelligence of the user is always to blame.
I work for an ISP and we had a guy running a linux server, that thing got hacked every week i bet, thing was always crashing and causing major problems.
So it's not about educating the user, or switching software all the time or even turning everything off, where's the fun in that? and what happened to my freedom of choice then?
if i can't choose to use windows without being bombarded by viruses, pop-ups, malware, and spyware and everything else why even bother having a computer in the first place?
Having a choice is the most basic right and everyone is taking that away.
- My uid ends in 69...
I should try and get a non-US/UK copy of the CD. Then subject them to my EULA:
By installing this software, you consent to your right to pay me the sum of $100,000. Please install your illegal software silently to agree to this EULA.
New Audio CD DRM Defeated by Use of ''SHIFT'' Key
Google search that found above link, good read.
http://www.fsckin.com/
i decided to be wary about this album when i heard the drm rumors, and i was prepared. but i can't seem to find the 'shift' button on my turntable..
--BlueLines "The cost of living hasn't affected it's popularity." -anonymous
More then likely the 'extras' were mentioned, be it in a eula, on the CD cover, or something..
It may be morally unacceptable, but i bet the user WAS warned, thus totally legal...
---- Booth was a patriot ----
They suck anyway :)
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So what the hell does it do & does Adaware/Spybot pick it up?
Jaysyn
There is a war going on for your mind.
Seriously! Every huge brick building was built starting with just one single brick. And every long journey starts with a first step. We CAN take control of our own country. It starts here!
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So just disable autoplay, if you're one of those unwilling to get Linux or a Mac.
Ooh, moderator points! Five more idjits go to Minus One Hell!
Delendae sunt RIAA, MPAA et Windoze
"intentionally and without authorization OR ..."
Sounds like the guy has a case. The only iffy point would be: does inserting a CD count as authorization?
...to slashdot the site already. Unreachable as of 19:19PDT, June 19th.
Bruce Lane, KC7GR,
Blue Feather Technologies
Ease of use has always been Windows' strong point. In linux you'd have to open up a file and change something; that's unexceptable for the casual user.
When I insert the AudioCD and have a dialoge pop-up asking me for my admin password - then why would I type that in?
Furthermore for Mac users there is no such thing as "Autostart". So you also have to trick the user to run something as WELL AS typing in the admin password.
Some vectors of attack are just way to easy on Windows, and are not done with such ease on platforms that care a bit about the users safeguarding.
Would it hurt Windows to at least ask if you want to autorun a CD?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
TCPA is actually now TCG, Trusted Computing Group, and doesn't have anything to do with DRM. It's essentially a standards body that specifies compliance for hardware security modules, or TPMs (Trusted Platform Modules), which also don't have to have anything to do with DRM. For example, IBM makes desktop and laptop computers with TCG compliant TPMs on the systemboard which exist for the sole purpose of providing security for your data, not ensuring that you install only "trusted" software or don't violate this copyright or whatever, and cannot, in fact, be used for that function.
A refusal to buy anything TCPA (which is actually TCG) is pointless. You're boycotting the wrong thing.
Buy the President
For you angry fans... :
There are two simple solutions
1) Don't buy it
2) If you already bought it then return it
If everybody keeps their bought copy, they won't get the message.
And this highlights the major flaw behind the "This doesn't happen on MY platform," argument. If you are advocating that Windows sucks because it has the most viruses, or spyware, etc and people should therefore switch to your platform (Mac, Linux, whatever) since it does not, you are misunderstanding cause and effect. .....
If you do want Linux/Mac growing to dominance, that's great, but then don't try to argue benefits gained form obscurity. If Linux becomes dominant then most apps will be written for it. This includes legitimate software, and malware alike. Both kinds of authors will target what is the most popular and espically in the case of malware, where the most clueless users reside.
It's funny you should bring this up in regards to this topic, as OS X and Linux are especially immune to this kind of attack.
First of all, neither platform even has a concept of "Autorun". So to install a bogus DRM laden CD driver you need to convince the user it's a good idea to run a prgram on the disc. Possibly...
But then to actually install the evil driver, on OSX and usually Linux you'd have to ALSO provide the program with an admin password.
Between all that at least the user knows something is installed on the computer, which is a far sight better than a silent install they know nothing about!! They have a chance to say "You know, my computer never has worked right since I tried out that last Britney CD" and check Google for the awful truth of what they have installed.
There are some vectors that may be tried over time, like the XPI stuff you mention. But it's way, way harder to target a very wide variety of computers in this way, so even if they find an XPI attack it's probably a WIndows only attack that relies on some other Windows flaw.
To put it simply - Linux and OS X both have means to limit the range that user viruses have wheres any flaw in Windows lets you install a device driver or what have you. Anti-virus stuff can help BUT (and here is a key point that people seem to overlook) how much overhead do you have from a virus scanner, and what does THAT do to your price-performance ratio? Is a Windows computer really a faster computer when it MUST be laden with detectors to keep it healthy?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
this means somebody paid for an album by the Beastie Boys!
What bothers the hell out of me, though, is that it can be done.
How in the world can I trust *anything* that willy-nilly follows whatever orders someone else tells *my* machine to do, leaving me powerless to override? The most surprising thing to me is that business is taking this. Do they really think only "good guys" know where the unlocked back doors to the operating system are?
Stuff like this just convinces me further that anyone even thinking of using this kind of system in a business environment needs to have his salary and standing in his organization re-evaluated.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
Boy, do I feel stupid.
Fire up iTunes
Insert CD
Click "Import"
Flip EMI the finger while iTunes on OSX happily rips the CD with no problems
enjoy the music when and where i want to enjoy it.
Idiot, n. A member of a large and powerful tribe whose influence in human affairs has always been dominant
Use the power of your dollar and boycott the band and the label!
So that's why most MacOS X users will not have their machines infected--they aren't running Classic at the time they insert the CD.
Doug Moen.
I have written a truly remarkable program which this sig is too small to contain.
To those people who say "they will piss off the customers!": if people still buy the CDs, they don't give a flying fuck what we think... The problem with fighting DRM is that most people who get pissed off at it wouldn't pay for the CD anyway. As soon as the mainstream consumer gets pissed for whatever reason (probably about 20 years from now, when standalone CD players are a thing of the past), the RIAA will say "oh shit, perhaps we should stop." The RIAA, like everyone else, follows the money. If the /. backlash doesn't impact their wallet, why should they care what a bunch of geeks think? We're the evil ones, remember?
Mac and Linux users should be concerned. If it works for Windows, they will port to other platforms.
Remember, First they came for the Jews
We shouldn't wait until they come for us.
If you must moderate, please moderate as irrelevent, not something bad, because I'm sure someone will find this interest
Nor with the SHIFT key held down on Windows?
But I think it was the appropriately-named The New Style where they said "I had to get a beeper cuz my 'puter is tapped, better keep your mouth shut cuz I'm fully strapped"
Apparently it is the new style.
Even if a man chops off your hand with a sword, you still have two nice, sharp bones to stick in his eyes.
Sabotaged
You can't stand it, you know I planned it
I'm gonna set it straight, this fair use debate
You can't copy shit when I'm in here
Because my new CD will stop all your file shares
So while you sit back and wonder why
Copy protection is installed inside
That's not a real CD, it's a mirage
I'm tellin' y'all you've been sabotaged
So listen up 'cause you can't copy nothin'
I'll shut you down unless you use the shift button
But I'm in and your MP3s are gone
You'll never rip another one of my songs
'Cause what you hear you might not get
And we got legal threats so don't you pirate yet
You're copying a thing that's a mirage
I'm trying to tell you now you've been sabotaged
You can't stand it, you know i planned it
I'm gonna set it straight, the consumer rights fate
You can't copy shit when my CD's in place
And now you feel disgrace because I'm in your disc space
But make no mistakes, I'll shutdown your scandal
I'm Hilary Rosen when I fly off the handle
No more fair use, it was all a mirage
I'm scheming on your rights; you're sabotaged!
I continuously see posts on slashdot re: DRM, and I think it's clear that people here just don't get it - you don't like the policies, THEN DON'T SUPPORT THE COMPANIES/ARTISTS/ETC. - Don't copy their albums, don't buy their albums, don't go to their concerts, don't listen to the radio stations that play their music. Most of all, don't whine about it. Do what I do - go see live shows of unknown artists who just enjoy having an opportunity to make a few bucks playing for people who enjoy music. It's unfortunate that we live in a culture where people expect to be entertained 24/7 and can't seem to break the "addiction" of buying into the corporate megaliths who produce music/movies/etc. that these same people "protest against" by posting soon after they buy a copy of that corporations latest goods, or copying it from someone else.
Nice computer you have there ...
If you haven't already, check out Grand Buffet. While they are not Beasties clones, they fix the same jones that Check Ya Head did. I recommend Sparkle Classic and Cigarette Beach as introductory listening.
Check out Memepool. Seems that their article of Thursday, June 17th was lifted almost verbatim by some karma-wh*re without proper attribution.
Tsk-tsk. For shame...
Not only is that site heavy on the propaganda, light on the facts, the author isn't aware of how the whole malware situation works. Spyware type malware gets on the user's sustem through an action of the user. For the web variety you visit a site and a popup asks you if you want to install Comet Cursor, or whatever the spyware calls itself. If you click yes, it downloads and installs. For the trojan type, it just piggybacks on other apps. Kazaa RQUIRES you to install and leave installed several peices of spyware to use it. It even TELLS you this. None the less, people install it willingly.
There is NO DEFENCE against this so long as the user has administrative access to the system. If they WANT to install it, they will. If it asks for admin, big deal, software does that all the time when it installs. I've never seen a Mac user give a second though to entering the root password in during a software install.
For viruses, the situation is about the same. The vast majority of viruses these days are e-mail viruses. A person recieves an e-mail that has an attachment claiming to be something they should open. They do so, and it installs a virus, that then proceeds to e-mail itself out to people on their contact list. Again, this is a USER INITATED ACTION. It's not sneaking itself in through a hole, it's waltzing in through the front door. Again nothing you can do if the user has admin access.
As for exploit viruses, which are a good deal rarer than e-mail viruses, these could possibly reduced on alternate platforms. It is possible that MacOS really is less prone to exploits than Windows. Unforunately, this isn't really testable at this point since there is less effort devoted to looking for OX-X exploits than for Windows exploits. However it is dangerous huburis to think that a UNIX basis equals security. I invite you to look at the history of Solaris/SunOS security holes. Here is real, enterprise grade UNIX, and it has a rich history of security problems. Again, this is not ot say that MacOS might not be better, but one cannot infer it is better from the fact that it is UNIX, or from the fact that it has less found exploits (that you don't know they are there does not mean they are not there).
Oh and by the way, saying "Windoze" just makes you, and your argument, look immature. It does no good since you aren't going to convince anyone that Windows has faults though simple name calling. Keep it professional and people are more likely to listen to what you have to say.
No downloading on your hard drive!
DRIVE!
We have copy pro-tec-shun inside!
SIDE!
We're running out of ideas, as you can see!
SEE!
There's no such thing as bad pu-bleh-sit-tee!
TEE!
(Sung to the beat of about 317 songs sampled simultaneously on one track! It's phat!)
Just don't buy the album because the Beastie Boys suck. I have a Win XP and Linux PC here, and the lack of buying this CD has not affected either one.
My family's Compaq Presario 5600i (custom built machine) had the 'Compaq Home Networking CD Version 1.0' bundled with it. This was *before* I knew how to really network, I knew I could, but why not just use the disk instead of having to learn? *I was like 14*
So we popped in the disk on November 25th. Worked fine. Next day - the 26th. All hell broke lose. Ended up the autorun.exe on the CD had the Chernobyl virus on it. Good thing we'd made backups - spent 1 week digging out of MS-BACKUP files EVERY executable on the machine.
Called Compaq - they totally denied ever having had made said CD.
9 months later, an envelope from Compaq arrives. I'm like WTF, I didn't order anything...It was the latest version of the CD. By then I'd already gone and learned how to set up TCP/IP etc etc etc and had done it myself.
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These guys used to be cool back when I was in grade school. It is pretty lame that they have to make terrible songs that are anti-Bush just to sell an album. What ever happened to selling albums because the music is good?
Here's a choice quote plus the link (I almost got sick reading it; they sound like quasi-hippies to me):
"Since then, however, these clown princes of hip-hop have grown from B-Boys to men who rock the mic for social change, using their lyrics to decry a host of societal and political ills."
Completely off topic, but also very funny:
Anyway, sorry for the rant...21.5 hours of broken windows installations on the weekend will do that to you...
I want my! I want my! I want my Eee PC!
If I had more guts I'd call my uncle and ask him to do this, since he's a local politician and knows lots of judges. Someone should go to his local Justice of the Peace, pay his $50, and sue based on anti-hacking laws, asking the judge for an injunction blocking sale of this album anywhere in his state (or a fine of something like $100,000/day if the record companies defy the judge). Wouldn't it be a kick in the ass if EMI couldn't sell this piece of spywhere anywhere in, say, the entire COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA?
...buy vinyl.
It blows my mind that AV software does not stop or warn about auto-installs. I can write my own little trojan, burn a bunch of CDs with "Paris Hilton FULL" written on them, and leave them around campus (or anywhere) and fully expect to have root/admin on many, many machines.
The very idea of launching an executable by putting a disc into a drive should have had us up in arms long before the record companies abused this security hole.
Hopefully, more crap like this means a stronger offensive against crapware, spyware, stealth installs, etc from all fronts, including legislation and being able to sue content providers for damages.
Otherwise someone might sample their stuff. =)
Cheers
Stor
"Yeah well there's a lot of stuff that should be, but isn't"
- Bleep - Warp Records etc. (mp3)
- Audio Lunchbox - lots of independent music (mp3/ogg)
I can also vouch for the coolness of Magnatune.PS Having said that, I did actually buy the US/UK release of To The 5 Boroughs (which is not affected by the EMI 'protection' system). Don't blame groups for DRM and disc damage; blame the RIAA, their labels, and their stupid contracts.
I just got: Forbidden You don't have permission to access /index.html on this server.
So their website has DRM too?
No electrons were harmed creating this post, though some may have been subjected to electrical and/or magnetic fields.
I might as well toss this in:
v ic es\CdRom
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Ser
Double click on "Autorun"
Change the value from "1" to "0"
Their next album has the following predicted hits.
I was going to buy the latest album but screw them. No album is worth the hassle of DRM.
You do realize, of course, that this would negate the ability of any software - included any that you bought for the specific purpose intended.
Now, it should be illegal to install any software for any purpose other than the media designates (a game should be able to install the game, office software likewike, no secondary hidden DRM or spyware BS, and music should just play). But how do you word it so that you don't encompass too much, or too little?
For 2K and XP.
Enjoy
Pennsylvania Consolidated Statutes
CRIMES AND OFFENSES (TITLE 18)
CHAPTER 39. THEFT AND RELATED OFFENSES
3933. Unlawful use of computer.
(a) Offense defined.--A person commits the offense of unlawful use of a computer if he, whether in person, electronically or through the intentional distribution of a computer virus:
1. accesses, exceeds authorization to access, alters, damages or destroys any computer, computer system, computer network, computer software, computer program or data base or any part thereof, with the intent: to interrupt the normal functioning of an organization or to devise or execute any scheme or artifice to defraud or deceive or control property or services by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations or promises;
2. intentionally and without authorization accesses, alters, interferes with the operation of, damages or destroys any computer, computer system, computer network, computer software, computer program or computer data base or any part thereof;
3. intentionally or knowingly and without authorization gives or publishes a password, identifying code, personal identification number or other confidential information about a computer, computer system, computer network or data base.
4. intentionally or knowingly engages in a scheme or artifice, including, but not limited to, a denial of service attack, upon any computer, computer system, computer network, computer software, computer program, computer server or data base or any part thereof that is designed to block, impede or deny the access of information or initiation or completion of any sale or transaction by users of that computer, computer system, computer network, computer software, computer program, computer server or data base or any part thereof.
(b) Grading.--An offense under subsection (a)(1) is a felony of the third degree. An offense under subsection (a)(2), (3) or (4) is a misdemeanor of the first degree.
(c) Definitions.--As used in this section the following words and phrases shall have the meanings given to them in this subsection:
"Access." To intercept, instruct, communicate with, store data in, retrieve data from or otherwise make use of any resources of a computer, computer system, computer network or data base.
"Computer." An electronic, magnetic, optical, hydraulic, organic or other high speed data processing device or system which performs logic, arithmetic or memory functions and includes all input, output, processing, storage, software or communication facilities which are connected or related to the device in a system or network.
"Computer network." The interconnection of two or more computers through the usage of satellite, microwave, line or other communication medium.
"Computer program." An ordered set of instructions or statements and related data that, when automatically executed in actual or modified form in a computer system, causes it to perform specified functions.
"Computer software." A set of computer programs, procedures and associated documentation concerned with the operation of a computer system.
"Computer system." A set of related, connected or unconnected computer equipment, devices and software.
"Computer virus." A computer program copied to or installed on a computer, computer network, computer program, computer software or computer system without the informed consent of the owner of the computer, computer network, computer program, computer software or computer system that may replicate itself and that causes unauthorized activities within or by the computer, computer network, computer program, computer software or computer system.
"Data base." A representation of information, knowledge, facts, concepts or instructions which are being prepared or processed or have been prepared or processed in a formalized manner and are intended for use in a computer
I was just thinking again about the U.S. Constitution, specifically Article 1, section 8, clause 8:
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
Can one say that music is really "useful art"? Useful to me means things like, medical arts, architecture, educational texts, etc.
The clause also does not seem to protect performers, distributors, or anyone but authors and inventors. EMI didn't author the song, so what right are they protecting?
Article X: The powers not delegated... by the Constitution...are reserved...to the people
Here are some more for you:
besonic
mp3.de
soundclick
garageband
france mp3
vitaminic(free + pay)
Washington Post (yup)
Online Rock
Peoplesound
Download.com from the old mp3.com's new owners
Emusic (pay)
Artistlaunch
Sigs are bad for your health.
Cool. Thanks for the recommendation...I"ll check 'em out.
Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
Your comment is a generalization ("All rock bands..."), and therefore false. There are many musicians who play solely out of love for the craft. The Grateful Dead spring immediately to mind. I'm sure most dance DJ's feel this way, as there is very little cult of personality attached to techno music.
Macarena notwithstanding.
Not having made the correlation between the two events, she tried to play the disc some days later. The boot drive was trashed again. There is something severely wrong with this model. When code designed to thwart legitimate use causes loss of user data and much time restoring the computer and the code wasn't even written for the box in question, the labels really are shooting themselves in the foot.
I haven't bought a commercial CD since. Yes, I know a one-person boycott won't kill the industry but I used to buy ~100 discs per year.
My employer assigned me a new Thinkpad with XP on it (their choice, not mine), and I don't think I've ever seen a genuine BSOD. MS must've heard too many complaints about those and decided to fix them.
Instead of those annoying blue screens, my system has a less intrusive way of alerting me to problems. It freezes the cursor and won't do anything until I hit the power button. Sometimes I'll come back from lunch and tind that the machine took the initiative to reboot on its own. When I log back in, there's an error report asking me if I want to "help" Microsoft fix the bug by sending them a report or something. (Yeah, right.) I typically get about one incident a week. (Not counting the reboots I'm required to do after every virus patch -- why on Earth does MS insist on rebooting even when you're just patching an app?
It's not really so bad, though. Besides Outlook, I mainly use the Windows box to connect vis VPC to a Linux server, where I do my real work. With VPC, you run an X server on the remote machine, and VPC runs its own display program on the local machine, linked by its own protocol. The advantage of this over Exceed (which run an X server on the Windows machine) is that you don't lose anything if the Windows box goes down. After the Windows box comes back up, just reconnect to the remove server, and all your windows are in the same state.
About every year or so, they reboot the machine to upgrade the kernel, and I complain about the time it takes to restart my KDE desktop. The Windows users look at me like I'm from outer space or something.
The 'autorun' he was talking about is not a true autorun like the one on Windows. What the 'autorun' under Mac OS X does is tell the proper application (iTunes by default for an audio CD) to run. The default applications are pretty safe and they normally don't allow anything new to be installed automatically.
For example, when an audio CD is put in a Mac OS X machine it defaults to running iTunes. iTunes by default simply shows the music that is on the disk. Nothing else is run, nothing is installed. It is safe.
Now, if the user then goes on to run any old applications that happen to be on the data portion of the CD well then that's the user's dumbass fault if something evil gets installed!
Sapere aude!
And the message I get from this is:
Do not buy this album. If I want to hear it, download it instead.
Their instruction is just crystal clear. Yes; it sucks that Windows auto-installs crap off CDs, and yes, there's easy ways around that. But to arrive at that is to miss the point. The point is that if you don't want their DRM, don't buy the product... you can get the music for a nice $0.00, without rewarding their vile practice.
If people in the biz are reading this, please take note: DRM offends and insults and disrespects those who you're trying to sell to. You're only getting sales from the ignorant, and I'm working to reduce their numbers by telling as many friends / family members as I can to stop buying big label music. Flat out stop. Download, buy used, or go with small, respectable labels. (I do still buy, generally direct from small artists; the rest... fuck 'em. Not a dime to the RIAA from me.)
If you agree, you can help... simply assist as many people as you can to find alternatives to buying big label music. If people really want the latest Beastie / other-pop album, there's torrents, k-lite, etc... and the price is better. Is it wrong? Is killing in a war wrong? I'm working to destroy my enemy or change their stance here; that is the nature of war. You gotta fight... It may be company policy, but you're still sell-out bitches, Beastie Boys (and I love some of your work... oh, well).
"Wasn't there an article many months (years?) ago about how to circumvent this kind of thing by holding "shift" as you insert the disc? Yes, that's a Windows-only solution, but I don't see this kind of problem affecting Macs or Linux machines."
I'd like to see them try to install something on my linux machine. Hell, I can't install anything when I'm trying.
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Don't buy recorded music. Listen to live music and download songs. The musicians get your money, the record companies don't, and your computer is safe.
Taking all morality and/or copyright factors out of the entire situation. Do you really think it's a good business decision to deceive and piss-off your consumers?
"I want you to buy this CD, but if you do - I'll kill this kitten."
I can understand their need to protect their own intellectual property, but I don't think their doing it the correct way. Adding malicious, and deceptive software to CDs doesn't seem like a way to become favorable with your consumer-base.
On the upside, maybe this DRM crap will spark the Linux Revolution (TM). We can finally rid the planet of Windows for good!
Anybody notice this? Link
I don't think peoples anticipation of DRM in the new beastie boys cd had much to do with their linux migration. If it did, I pity them.
And were you waiting for the most opportune story to make such a "Linux is superior" post? Seriously, no matter how you look at it, your post was out of place and by most means pointless. Well, at least one thing came out of this and that is becoming aware of where your alliance lies. I think its alot more pro-linux than anti-DRM, and no, the two are not inclusive of each other.
"There is no real right or wrong, just what the majority accepts at the time."
At least their website is open source:
s howthread.php): failed to open stream: Too many open files in system in Unknown on line 0
e ad.php' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/local/lib/php') in Unknown on line 0
(From their website)
Warning: Unknown(/usr/local/apache/htdocs/beastieboys/bbs/
Warning: (null)(): Failed opening '/usr/local/apache/htdocs/beastieboys/bbs/showthr
I was about to order this CD and read about the silent DRM installation just before I did.
Now as a matter of principal (it doen't matter that I can effortlessly get around the auto install) I am not giving the label/distributor my money.
It's on a.b.sounds.mp3.indie for anyone who's interested.
Go ch-check it out...
InnerWeb
Freud might say that Intelligent Design is religion's ID.
Or "anymore". Or maybe "for the moment" is a better way to put it, because Macs had some of the more original worms back when you could hide one in a floppy disk's resource fork successfully.
Mail? Put "slashdot" in the subject to pass the spam filters.
>To find out if this is true, borrow the disc from some sucker who actually bought it, and can't use it. By all means do not buy it yourself.
I don't understand - you can't use a borrowed original disc and yet you suggest that people don't buy it?
So how can one listen to it if he doesn't buy it and he can't use a borrowed CD?
nanojath declaims how he won't buy stupid corporate music any more and it rocks because the indie stuff is a lot more interesting (I'm listening to some right now). Record Industry: Ow! Ow! Ow! my foot!
It Is the Nature of Information to Transgress Artificial Boundaries
I say it _easily_ (no need for any stretching) comes under:
1. accesses, exceeds authorization to access, alters, damages or destroys any computer, computer system, computer network, computer software, computer program or data base or any part thereof, with the intent: to interrupt the normal functioning of an organization or to devise or execute any scheme or artifice to defraud or deceive or control property or services by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations or promises;
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However aren't there other penalties such as jail time?
Is there a tool that literally _blocks_ installations unless and until one can review whatever the hell is being thrown on one's system?
Just a question, nothing more...
"Eustace? Eustace? Are you there? Are you there?" = John Leeming
The following is a partial listing of my blackball database:
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ID: 21284739495
Name: Capitol Records
Type: [Commercial Entities: Corportation]
Alternative: Second-hand cd purchase. Duplicate cd purchase. Online music purchase/download.
Reasons: Affiliation with RIAA. Unethical business practices. Releasing DRM protected media without notice on the packaging.
ID: 36876819294
Name: Beastie Boys
Type: [Musical Entities: Band/Group/Performer/etc.]
Alternatives: [Null]
Reasons: Affiliation with Captiol Records. Releasing DRM protected media without notice on the packaging.
ID: 36876819295
Name: Beastie Boys: To the 5 Boroughs
Type: [Musical Entities: Album/DVD/CD/Tape/Vinyl/etc.]
Alternatives: [Null]
Reasons: [Ref to #36876819294#>>(Reasons)]
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This database was created using a custom tool that will not be made available to the public at this time. I may release my blackball db as an mdb later on though, if any is interested.
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Any Beastie-Boy-fan lawyers reading who agree? The sentence could be up to five years in jail
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This is simply brilliant for the likes of iTunes, the best reason i have heard for not putting music CDs in my computer again.
this is more than strange. this is a major f* up. it totally defeats the purpose of the combination of 1) their wide appeal, and 2) their increased intelligence and politicization over the years. --- what's the purpose of waking up socially and politically and having the power to make change if you then *let* the system keep you in check. (keep you in ch-ch-ch-ch-check, i guess that would be.)
/.'ing, i guess? )
the album aims to encourage people to fight (albeit nonviolently --- better than nothing) against bush and the system. not only did the beastie boys let their message get stifled by record company copy protection (thus the record companies do their little part to keep progressive/anti-bush messages from disseminating, how nice of them) but they also lose the trust of those people who dislike the system and like the b-boys.
what a huge mistake. it's like, wouldn't it be stupid if michael moore agreed to some new fangled dvd copy protection scheme for when farenheit 9/11 comes out? wouldn't you think, "that makes less than no sense". same with the b-boys. of all people they should have fought this tooth and nail (maybe they did, i want to hear the apology and details of the battle of failure).
yo, adam, adam and mike: what the f*ck? what about those kids out there who won't get to hear your album because their friend tried to copy it for them but they couldn't, and they aren't middle class enough to afford to buy it? and maybe this album would have been a huge turning point in their life. i want an answer. i'm going to get one. (i notice for now the beastieboys.com forum is down for registering, they couldn't handle or didn't like the result of the
so, yeah. anyways, i plan to make it a personal mission to share this album with as many people as i can. it's been on the bittorent sites since almost the first day. it still doesn't change the fact that they messed up big time.
i still love the b-boys. i feel like i grew up and matured with them. i'd like them to take the right step here and fight the label bullshit (someone told me they are on Capitol (capital?) who are among the most fanatic of the copy protectors).
vote Bill Kush in 2004.
Don't buy the album. It's as boring as fsck. Drum machines and rote lyrics...
You want to know who isn't running Firefox 2.x? They spell it "definately" and "rediculous".
> Become Tech Savvy, try to understand what the fuck windows is doing eh?
.net in favor of mono.. or maybe it was what .net was originally going to be.. except for a timeline problem.... and now looking forward to yet another major rewrite of damned near everything with Longhorn. Seriously, unless it is your JOB, who has time to keep up with the latest registry hack?
Not really an option. If you understand Windows you realize it is broken by design and can't really BE fixed. Sure you might learn not to open attachments but you can't be there to stop the overly curious but not quite bright enough to know better nephew from clicking on something. And since Windows still has no security model (just TRY running a locked down system in a home environment and see how far you get) a Windows PC can never be more secure than the least clueful user with access to the machine.
Plus, unless it is your major purpose in life you can't really KNOW Windows because it changes so fast, even if real accurate documentation were available to non-developers. While over here in UNIX land vi has pretty much been been vi for over twenty years; even if we all use vim, vile or elvis now they still act EXACTLY like vi (except a few of the most obscure and unused commands). A GNU Emacs manual from 1994 would still be very relevent today and will likely still be useful in 2014. An X11 program from 1994 will probably still compile on Fedora Core 2.
(Question: Will the current Visual C++ still build a Win16 app? A DOS app?) POSIX has been set in stone for a good while. This is a good thing.
Seriously,over the last twenty years the Microsoft world has had major upheavals. DOS being replaced with Windows. Windows being replaced with Win32 (and the end of compiler memory models, yea!), DOS vs NT kernel, the coming and apparently now the exit of
And just how useful would an MS Word manual from 1994 be now? Or how about a WP manual from 1984? How useful will an Office 2003 manual be in 2014? Who can afford to keep a Windows reference bookshelf up to date? I know I couldn't, I can barely keep up with O'Reilly's UNIX/Linux books as they rev. and then only because I can usually read the list of what is new and decide I don't need the new version yet. But every single book on Windows XP will be useless when Longhorn ships, exactly like every book on Windows 9x is useless for working with W2K and XP.
Democrat delenda est
These are not "music" cd's. They're hybrid audio/data discs using the Blue Book standard. It'll appear like a Data CD to your computer.
- Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
So how can I tell if I happenned to get one of the CDs that has the auto-install DRM "feature" on it? And how can I remove it?
Okay.. let's face it, Average Joe doesn't really give a septic monkey's lung(*) about DRM.. and if you try to explain to him exactly why DRM is bad - not getting to use copies in his car, etc, he's likely to have fallen asleep before you've got to the really good part about how record comanies are sneaking DRM technology in through the back door, and... etc.
:)
Likewise, terms such as "spyware" will probably just generate blank stares - though it's starting to become a more recognised term, and it does sound pretty sinister. However, there is one word that will strike hysterical fear into the hearts of simple family folk everywhere.. no, not "terrorist" (well, yeah, okay.. but we'll use that one as a last resort).. no, I'm talking about the term "virus".
Now, hear me out here.. I know this sounds like an entirely irresponsible and underhanded plan of action, but that's only because, well.. it is. But it's also not all THAT far from the truth - it's software that stealthily gets onto your computer and does bad things to it. In the minds of most "joe average" types, that's pretty much what a virus is (except everyone knows real viruses can launch nuclear missiles, too)
Anyways. There's a virus on the new Beastie Boys CD. Spread the word, and watch the sales. Just a thought
(*) just to clarify, yes, that is indeed a healthy lung from a septic monkey, rather than a septic lung from a healthy monkey.
Curiosity was framed. Ignorance killed the cat.
I disagree. I have been running win2k for a long time and I'm happy with its performance. Hell, I'm writing this post on another machine (linux) that is connected to the internet through the win2k machine using internet connection sharing. I have to reboot every couple of weeks, but the windows machine, through very regular virus scans, adware scans, malware scans, and by changing what services are running to the minimum instead of a bizzare collection of things I would never use, is in good shape I think. Also its behind a router which adds a small amount of protection. I keep it anal retentively up to date, and I have a lot of internet explorer functionality turned off so I don't run into too much flak when surfing. I do wish the operating system didn't take up too many resources, but it is a small price to pay for the benefits of broader software support, and free wireless support. Linux didn't support the wireless card that the computer uses unless I shelled out some money to linuxant so my choice was pretty easy. Also, how else can I play some of my favorite games? Yes the operating system goes through big upheavals, but since everyone uses it, it pays to keep current with the system. That might seem like hypocracy since I'm running win2k but at my work that's what we use, and being more familiar with it helps put bread on the table. If they change to XP or 2k3 I'll do the same upgrade.
I submitted this story last night, and it didn't get posted.
The false or fraudulent part? It's fine to sell people a CD which says it's "copy protected" that is hard to copy. But it's not fine if that CD is designed to install stuff onto people's computers without their explicit permission - remember they bought the CD to listen to the stuff, not to install software, especially software that is USELESS or perhaps even damaging to them and only USEFUL to the CD creators.
This is "trojan horse" software.
If this is legal then creators of webpages could legally install software of their choice into systems of people who just browse a page containing copyrighted content, and say it's "copy protection". e.g. install stuff like monitoring/blocking software so that they could keep track of the user's activities - "to ensure that the terms of use are complied to".
Even if there's an agreement with lots of fine-print to click on doesn't necessarily make it OK. Otherwise those wormmakers will be spreading those greeting card/screen saver stuff which does other things that's written in the fine print (like allow the worm makers to use the PC for whatever they want).
How about if I sold you a movie DVD that hypnotized you so that you would never ever willingly make copies of that DVD for whoever or whatever reason? A "Copy Protected" label doesn't count. If the DVD was explicitly about convincing people not to copy then that's different - there is no or little deception involved.
Try unCDcopy from the German news site Heise.
Windows XP/2000 is not a "hack" on a single user, non-networked DOS based OS. Windows 98 was, definetly, but XP/2k (and NT) definitely have a fully functional multi-user system with working file permissions.
A lot of older software was coded to require administrator access, but most new software should run fine without it. You should be able to run, and "install" any well-written program as a non-admin user on XP or 2000.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
I have over 700 CDs, and on average buy about 60 or so a year. I do not copy my CDs and I have no copied CDs as I respect intellectual property and feel that artists should be appropriately rewarded for their hard work.
However, after ill-advisedly buying a copy prohibited disk (Norah Jones), I had to get my car serviced to get the disk out. This cost me a morning of my time, and $70, plus I have a disk I can't use and couldn't return as Borders felt that I had copied it, even though I showed them the VW dealership receipt.
Norah has released a second album. I will not be buying it. I will not buy any copy prohibited disks. Ever. Not even if you pay for my lost time and my bills to get my stuff repaired when playing music I legally bought and used in usual fashion.
Wise up or go bust.
Andrew van der Stock
My soulmate wanted to rip the CD to put on his Archos Jukebox, since he is not using CD's anymore but still buys them to be legal and to have the full version.
Since I put in the CD I can't run my company invoice system anymore, can't do anything at all with that cdrom drive, not even play a game. Every time I put in the CD it cannot be recognized by my system.
I already tried to uninstall the software but the problem stays, which forces me to reinstall the PC completely (which I definitely don't have the time for now at the moment and will cost me days to get the invoicing update done).
Is this legal ? Can this be allowed ? I am literally loosing money now just because I wanted to rip that legal and bought cd for him straight to his Archos. It's not even music I like to listen to...
--- I am known for the ones who want to find me on the net. Is that a privacy risk or a privilege? One might wonder..
Given the EULA that these things will attempt to pass off on us, I wonder if they can (pseudo-legally, at least) get around *nix type security arrangements?
Hey! Buy this great CD! It rocks! It jives! It's phat. It's good, and reeeaaalll bad! Stick it up the establishment, throw down your oppressors and ROCK!!!!
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4. A II 3 e vii) THE USER AGREES, IN THE EVENT OF SECURITY SYSTEMS ON MUSIC SYSTEM BLOCKING THE INSTALLATION OF SAID MUSIC PROTECTION SOFTWARE, TO SUPPLY AS NEEDED ALL PASSWORDS, ENCRYPTION/ DECRYPTION KEYS, USER NAMES, OPERATING SYSTEM DETAILS, CREDIT CARDS NUMBERS AND ALL OTHER INFORMATION NECESSARY TO INSTALL AFOREMENTIONED ON THE AFOREMENTIONED MACHINE OF AFOREMENTIONED USER, HERETOFORE AFOREMENTIONED.
4. A II 3 e viii) IN THE SITUATION THE SAID MUSIC PROTECTION SOFTWARE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE OPERATING SYSTEM, APIS, REGISTRATION DEVICES, OR OTHER SOFTWARE OR HARDWARE FEATURES OF THE COMPUTER ON WHICH THE SOFTWARE IS TO BE INSTALLED THE USER AGREES TO REMOVE ALL SOFTWARE FROM THE COMPUTER, INCLUDING OPERATING SYSTEMS, AND AGREES TO INSTALL THE PRESCRIBED OPERATING SYSTEM SOFTWARE WHICH CAN BE PURCHASED VIA WWW.MICROSOFT.COM. ANY NECESSARY SOFTWARE PURCHASES, SYSTEM UPGRADES, OR OTHER CHANGES IS THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE USER. THE PUBLISHER WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY ASSOCIATED COST.
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Yeah! Rock on!
I'd like to thank my girl, my wife, my manager, and most of all God who made all this possible.
Cogito, ergo sig.
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I guess there response to the DRM's on the CD is overwhelm the registration database.
> quick prostate massage
I guess the majority of humans won't be able to use that OS cos they don't have a prostate.
Since when has Micro$oft anything worked perfectly anyway? What a dumb grandparent this post has.
-- it must be true, it's on the internet.
So to avoid having the CD install DRM software on your computer, you used a DRM system you already had (iTunes) to buy the songs in AAC format with DRM?
I chose to install iTunes. And I chose to buy songs from iTMS.
And although I bought this CD, I did not choose to install its DRM.
Perl - $Just @when->$you ${thought} s/yn/tax/ &couldn\'t %get $worse;
Found this attached to BoingBoing's writeup of the same thing:
Update: Ian sez, "Hi, I'm not sure who posted re: Beastie Boys copy protection, but I just spoke with Mike D and their management and they wanted me to pass along that a) This is all territories except the US and UK -- US and UK discs do not have this protection on them; b) All EMI CDs are treated this way, theirs isn't receiving special treatment; c) They would have preferred not to have the copy protection, but weren't allowed to differ from EMI policy."
Um, no.
There is no 'parse the sentence correctly,' because there is almost certainly no operand order laid out in Minnesota law. Without commas expressly delineating the operand order you're just guessing. You may be confident that your interpretation is correct, but laws are interpreted in courtrooms, not on Slashdot. If there's case law on the question, which I'm far too lazy to look for at the moment, that may prove helpful.
Not too lazy to point out the general requirement of mens rea for crimes which carry felony-level penalties, however. It's basic constitutional law that proving the mental element of a crime can generally not be dispensed with; if you think about this for a minute it's blindingly obvious you can't subject someone to severe criminal penalties unless you can prove they intended to do whatever it is they did (in general; yes, I know about accomplice and unintended-consequence statutes, but this is neither of those).
To hazard a guess, I'd imagine a judge (at trial) or judges (on appeal) would indeed require an intent to defraud or injure, not merely an intent to access without authorization or whatever. The latter transgression smells more like a property or privacy tort than an appropriate subject for the criminal law. Also, as the original poster is probably aware, in general DAs have near-total authority to prosecute or not as they choose.
Unfortunately, you're probably out of luck.
IANAL and this post is not legal advice.
It's not that hard, you can do it. Better yet, write a script and run it on your friends' computers, too. Be proactive about this shit.
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Oh, and not buying CDs from bands that have no respect for you would be a good idea, too.
Reading the articles, it says that the US and UK releases are the only ones without DRM. Possibly that's the reason. We had an article about US anti-spyware laws just the other day that would ban installing without consent, and according to another poster further up the story this is already the case in Minnesota.
It looks like the record companies are on the run. Now all we need is Canada and Europe to follow suit.
after doing copy & paste.
"Hey, Bender! Gonna make some noise
with your hard drive scratched by the Beastie Boys!"
nuf said
Man, there needs to be a way to identify independent labels. I can't for the life of me find a site that lists truly independent labels or artists on truly indie labels, and most the ones that claim to be independent are really just peons of Columbia House or Sony or some such.
The biggest roadblock I find when I am encouraging people to stick with independent labels and artists is that when they ask me how to know what is independent, I have to shrug my shoulders and tell them it takes a huge pile of research.
I've heard the suggestion of having an association of independent labels, but that sounds like a good way to end up with two RIAAs to me. (Double your evil, double your fun!) Maybe if there were an organization that trademarked a logo that labels could put on their CD and aggressively enforced that only indie labels could use that logo.
Analog recording. Play it on your stereo and record it thru the in-plug on your soundcard. If you can hear it, you can share it.
thehomeland(.org)
You'll Shut Me Dow With A Push Of Your Button?
But I'm Out And I'm Gone
I'll Tell You Now I Keep It On And On
'Cause What You See You Might Not Get
And We Can Bet So Don't You Get Souped Yet
You're Scheming On A Thing That's A Mirage
I'm Trying To Tell You Now It's Sabotage.
From the Beastie Boys, "Sabotage" (1994)
This is my post. There are many others like it. If you don't like what you read here, go try one of the others.
... to install software to impede piracy. I think they've found another way to limit it; come out with an CD _so_ bad, no one will want to pirate it.
This is yet another example of why Windows shouldn't allow the user account to install software. A Windows user should have to log in to an administrator or root account if he/she wants to install any kind of software.
This would solve many Windows problems, including spyware, virii and this DRM installer nonesense.
Microsoft doesn't want to give you this ability, because it prevents them from allowing the media companies to take over YOUR computer.
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Buy it in vinyl.
If you don't have a record player, download the tracks from your favourite p2p-network.
*** Do not buy this album. If I want to hear it, download it instead. ***
No, no, no dude. You've sent the wrong message. You've just told the music execs that you are unrepentant music pirate who will use any excuse to justify not paying for music.
Yeah, I know where you're coming from, but the Gucci-wearing music geniuses won't. And they'll take your above statement as the justification for their virus-laden music cds: you must be forced to pay for the music.
If you want to let them know you are really UPSET about legitimately purchasing a cd, about doing the RIGHT thing but instead of being given a pat on the back they label you a thief instead, then don't go anywhere near their music.
Don't purchase it. Don't download it. Don't listen to it on the radio. You hear the Beasties on Q107, phone the DJ and tell him not to put such crap on the air.
Then write, both to the Beasties and to the music execs, and tell them you aren't purchasing their music, you aren't downloading their music, hell, you won't even listen to it because of the DRM-virus on the last cd. Then tell 'em you are encouraging all of your friends to do the same.
When the music industry sees all interest in their bands die - put DRM on a music cd and sales/interest in the band/artist dies - the industry will soon learn not to DRM anything.
And that is what both you and me want -- to purchase an audio cd and be able to play it without fearing it'll screw the computer up and result in another 3 days worth of fighting with the damn machine to get it working properly again, all because I was stupid enough to want to play the music on the portable mp3 player. THAT kind of hassle I do not need.
I use xsetup for tweaking Windows register settings. It tweaks all versions (al two of them :)) and can do many other nice things. It's free, works plugin based and it has a very nice search option.
- Save a tree, eat more woodpeckers
here is a link to the forum thread explaining that the copy protection is on all emi cds, except us and uk versions, and that the beastie boys would have liked it not to be protected but couldn't help.
...until you mentioned it - I had always associated the phrase with the eruption of Krakatoa in 1883, which did in fact turn the moon blue.
Since writing on slashdot about this means something between Jack and Shit to the music industry execs, what you could try is writing out your letter and hitting print instead.
Once that's done, send it to here:
By Mail
Corporate Communications Department
EMI Group plc
27 Wrights Lane
London
W8 5SW
Or call:
Tel: 020 7795 7000
If you happen to be a shareholder, you can use the fast track address/number:
Lloyds TSB Registrars
Shareholder Services
The Causeway
Worthing
West Sussex
BN99 6DA
Tel: 0870 600 3984
(+44 121 433 8000 from outside the UK).
Tell EMI who you are, why you bought their music before, and why you won't be buying it in future.
If the only thing these boys understand is money, let's let them see what's happening to it.
That Jesus Christ guy is getting some terrible lag... it took him 3 days to respawn! -NJ CoolBreeze
This is NOT a CD! It's a program that doesn't meet CD Digital Audio redbook standards.
We need to stop calling it a CD. We need to remind people that it is not possible to buy the new Beastie Boys album on CD, outside the US and UK.
If you look at this disc, I'm sure you'll find that there's no hind of the term "compact disc" on it. The record companies are very careful NOT to make that mistake, knowing full well that between the stores and the users, the distinction will be lost, but they'll be legally safe.
If we call it a CD, then we're destroying the knowledge that real CD's can't have copy protection, they can't install software, and they can't be misused in this way.
Don't let the record companies get away with this! If they're in the "Rap CDs" section of your local music store, tell them that they're breaking the law.
(Posting anonymously, since I've moderated people in this discussion)
Actually, there is something on the Macintosh for MacOS 9 (the feature was silently dropped for MacOS X because of security issues) that provides the same sort of functionality as autorun for Windows.
The feature is called "AutoPlay", and was actually added in QuickTime v2 and later to allow developers to burn kiosk disks. The idea was that this would allow developers to burn a CD which automatically starts a kiosk program, web browser or movie when the disk was inserted into the Macintosh.
"AutoPlay" for MacOS 9 can be enabled and disabled by going into Control Panels under the Apple menu, selecting "QuickTime Settings", then in the drop-down menu, select "AutoPlay." The second setting "Enable CD-ROM AutoPlay" is the one you want; uncheck this setting to prevent programs from automatically starting when inserted. (This is from QuickTime v6 for MacOS 9; earlier versions may put this setting somewhere else. YMMV.)
If you wish to burn a disk that automatically starts a program or automatically launches a document when inserted in MacOS 9, in a CD-ROM burner program such as Roxio Toast, when selecting a MacOS volume to burn you have the option of specifying the file to automatically play when the disk is inserted in the same volume selection box. Just select the "AutoStart" checkbox and type in the name of the root-directory file to open or program to start.
For more information, go here.
So it's not about educating the user, or switching software all the time or even turning everything off, where's the fun in that?
this is all well and good mr. hand, but what should one do? all you say is "that's not the answer". what is your answer then?
beer as in "free beer"
Think of DRM as a company telling you what you can and can't do, not as a technological measure. If it's unacceptable to you, buy entertainment elsewhere and let their bottom line suffer. Otherwise they will just assume consumers accept DRM and sell all CDs protected. Just look at Macrovision on DVD.
http://boingboing.net/2004/06/11/new_beasties_disc _ha.html
Someone please tell me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the copy protection is *only* on non-US and non-UK discs. I also believe that this protection is "EMI policy", and nothing specific to Beastie Boys' disc.
I can tell you for a FACT that Beastie Boys didn't want this and fought against it, but lost this battle with their label.
We encourage you to buy a non-protected US or UK disc. We understand that in today's world Slashdotters are going to do whatever it is they usually do to get music, and this post isn't going to change that. But when we've done so much progressive work in this space over the last 10 years it sucks to see a Slashdot post claiming we're "Evil".
See you at the live shows, ian
It is f**king annoying that they chose a common word for the name for their system. I am working on GUI interface software and the fact that by default you cannot tell whether I am talking about the OS or the plural of an object that is used quite a bit in GUI makes documentation almost impossible unless a different word is chosen for the name of the OS. So for very professional reasons I used "Windoze" for many years, with no complaints from users Windows users. Then suddenly people started saying "oh using that word means you hate Microsoft" I had to switch, I now am forced to use "WIN32" to indicate the operating system (you use "#ifdef _WIN32" to detect it in C++ code, so I guess this is an officially sanctioned name). Thanks a lot for making my documentation look a lot worse and more geeky than it needs to be.
I consider it extremely annoying the political-correctness has forced me to obfuscate my own work, and am very annoyed at people with your attitude, and the sad fact that all fun and creativity is being sucked out of this field by people like you.
Battling it out between the Velvet Revolver and the Beastie Boys album. I wonder if DRM incompatabilities is anything to worry about on broken computers in the future.
Actually, the lyrics are:
Check it out
What DRM is all about
Work it out
Let's turn this motherfuckin' operating system out
All that skipping is just from the DRM.
Information wants to be free.
Entertainment wants to be paid.
You just want to be cheap.
This simply means that ethically I can no longer justify buying any of their albums. Save me some money!
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
You could always buy it through iTunes Music Store. Of course Tux would be out of luck then... No spyware, just pretty reasonable DRM that lets you then burn to a "normal" CD. Of course your player is limited until you round-trip through the CD burn. Does iTunes run under Wine? Does the Beastiely CD Spyware install under Wine?
- Tjp
I am in wallow with my inner money grubbing capitalistic pig. ... Oink!
Okay, attempt #2, first Velvet Revolver now the Beastie Boys....
How long will it take the stupid record lables to figure out people WILL hit the shift key (replace shift key with whatever it takes) and once that ONE pirated copy appears on the internet it's a no-brainer from there...
All it takes is 1 person to break the DRM... once that has been done the data is free game.
Excuse me, I don't mean to impose, but I am the ocean
The OR is multiple choice, dude. You only need to have one of those to stick up. English is pretty easy. There is also the spirit of the law as well, which most judges use common sense for what they're being used for. This case would fit perfectly for what this law was designed for.
I wonder why I deserved my CD-ROM drive not to be working anymore because I have tried to copy my friends legal-bought CD to the Archos of him.
I can't read anything anymore through the CD-ROM drive, no data and no audio cd's, nothing works since I have inserted the new Beasty Boys CD.
I am really starting to get annoyed since this means a complete re-install of that PC which I do not have the time (or money) for. A lot of data is on backup but also a lot of data (my vinyl and protected CD's ripped to WAV format) will be lost after this re-install.
These copyprotections are taking more time than I have; to be even more specific, certain CD's like Solid Sounds I need to rip manually to be able to USE this CD in my older car cd player and pro Denon DJ CD player!!! Since I am DJ and using vinyl and CD's a lot I find this unacceptable.
Is this copyprotection a convenience only for the record company or should the audio CD be a convenience for the listener? Where's the time you put in the CD in your favorite cd player you like to listen to the music you like ? The time of putting your cd in your car cdplayer, cd-rom drive or professional CD player is over and it's only getting worse, looking to this example of the latest CD I tried to rip for my friend.
I used to buy 2 to 5 cd's a month, since I am not sure anymore which cd's work or not I started buying more vinyl again, but hell, I do not want to buy ANY releases of the same producers that cripple the audio CD's I have bought for 20 EURO or more!
The recording industry has lost at least 600 EURO last year only because I do not want to buy or use cd's anymore.. what's the use to buy a cd if I can't use it?
I have built up a nice record collection of +30000 vinyl records and +2000 cd's. Probably the collection of my cd's will not be updated anymore as protest to this kind of behavior towards the consumer. I currently have about 62 cd's of the last 2 years that I cannot use at all unless I rip it and copy it. This is about 1200 EURO/$ I have lost because I cannot use them as DJ.
This will conclude the recording industry will not get MY money of minimally 720 EURO/$ per year anymore, which I will spend on independent vinyl recording companies which are not related to the ones that cripple MY cd's I have bought with my well-deserved money.
--- I am known for the ones who want to find me on the net. Is that a privacy risk or a privilege? One might wonder..
- Thomas;
___ This sig is in boldface to emphasize its importance!
...how about some details of what it actually does? I know wild speculation and paranoia is the cornerstone of YRO, perhaps justifying said speculations and paranoia would help turn more people on to the 'cause'.
Licensed to Ill was the first tape I ever bought.
Check your Head was my first CD.
The Beastie Anthology was my first DVD.
And now, the new one is the first DRM CD.
By the way, MTV2 is playing Beastie Boys stuff ALL day Sunday, including the live show from Vegas.
Often in Error, Never in Doubt.
> but at my work that's what we use
Sounds like you are in that group I referred to with "unless it is your JOB to know". Hell yes, if an employer pays me (and a lot more than I ask for UNIX stuff, since I LIKE doing UNIX stuff) enough filthy lucre to cover the higher training costs, more frequent turnover of my bookshelf, overtime for allnighters when the latest worm hits and to cover the generally higher mental stress of exposure to Windows I'd happily spend my days on MSDN learning the latest registry tweaks so the Beastie Boys couldn't 'own' the boss's machine when one of the kids sticks a CD in.
But just listen to yourself above! You are "happy" with the performance of a machine you expend a great deal of effort on to keep software NOT installed on, think nothing of rebooting every couple of weeks and unless you are bootlegging that anti-virus program from work, you paid more for it than linuxant wants for a wireless driver. Besides, had you done better presale research you would have selected a wireless card that was compatible. (Giving you the benefit of the doubt here and assuming you actually found a home computer preloaded with the W2K bug or got the machine from work.)
> Also, how else can I play some of my favorite games?
Nintendo Gamecube, Microsoft X-Box or Sony Playstation 2. All have their advantages and disadvantages, best discussed on a forum for that sort of thing. Besides, my first and only console was the Atari 2600 so I'm the wrong guy to ask for advice. But if games is your only remaining reason for keeping Windows on a machine, just consider how expensive a PC is to buy and maintain vs a console.
Democrat delenda est
You are also right about some indie labels. They are just another marketing device for some big labels, to sell manufactured rock music to youths as "indie".
heheee...
Does Ad-watch protect the listener? Have they done something to get around that?
"Politicians always tell the truth, when they're calling each other liars."
When you are done venting, find some music without the restrictions. I would advise checking RIAA Radar before any purchase. We wouldn't want to help the bastards, now would we? Try my two favorite sources of DRM-free music: CDBaby and iRate.
That's because Windows XP auto-reboots after a fatal error before you even see the BSoD. Clever trick by Microsoft, I have to admit. How often do you see a Linux box reboot itself because some daemon fucked up? Still, most people don't register it as a crash, but sort of a normal thing that just happens every few days or so (the frequency of course greatly depends on your system configuration, hardware and drivers etc.). Nothing to worry about...
I love C++
It is a Blue Book (multisession) CD. It is no different than those CDs that include both music tracks and a data track with pictures. The Blue Book standard is old (windows 3.1 era), and just as valid as the Red Book standard. Suncomm's protection is nothing more than a standard multisession Blue Book CD with a trojan horse on the data track.
You might be able to fix it by disabling the driver it installs. Instructions can be found here http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~jhalderm/cd3/ .
P.S. this post is a circumvention device
Ya, right, nice try. There is, lingusitically, no way that is useful. In the written word, it is easy to tell which you are talking about. The objects, windows, are not capatalised. The software, Windows is a proper noun and is capatalised. Simple, easy distinction.
Speech is equally useless. The pronouncation difference between the s and the z is almost nil. Infact most people actually say something closer to windoze than windows, at least with the popular American accents. Combine this with the way the brain processess speech and it's a wash.
See our speech is sloppy. We do not properly pronounce all phonemes. In normal speech, we slide them together, and often miss the mark on them. The brain is designed to compensate for this and do so by surrounding context, both the other phonenems in the word, and the context of the word in the sentence. Thus regardless of if you think you are using an s or a z, the word is likely to be interpreted as windows by the hearer.
The real interpreation of what you are saying simply comes from context. In most sentences it is easy to tell if you refer to the GUI metaphor, the physical object, or the operating system. In the event you wish to clarify it as the OS, you simply say "Microsoft Windows" leaving no doubt as to what you are refering.
So quit playing like you little verbal zealotry is some real, useful clarifier. A freshman linguist could rip that argument apart. Oh, and this is in no way creative either. Name calling, espically simple, overdone name calling, is not creative. You didn't think that term up and it's been done to death. Just as all the people that immatate Dave Chappelle, you are note being creative. Those that create something are being creative, those that copy it are not.
Classes are usually capitalized in C++, you know. When my documentation says "Window" it means the class, when it says "window" is means an instance of the class. It used to read something like "When using Windoze you need to make sure all Windows are declared before you can call the blah() method, and unfortunately X11 requires the exact opposite." You need to learn a little programming before you start saying anything about capitalization.
Now my documentation reads "When using WIN32 you need to make sure all Windows are declared before you can call the blah() method, and unfortunately X11 requires the exact opposite."
Great, you have just made your favorite os look as stupid with letters and numbers as X. You should be real proud of yourself.
This thinking is right up there with the "you can't call things master/slave" ruling. If you actually knew anything about computer science history you would see that creative mispellings are usaully an indication of affection (unless it is blatently obvious: calling it "WinBlows" is obvious hostility, and is pronouced with obvious hostility). As you pointed out "Windoze" is not pronouced differently and is thus only useful for text, just like the capitalization is a handy shortcut for classes. No duh, when speaking, I have to say "Windows OS", "Window class", and "window". That does not mean I should be unable to use a convienent shorthand when writing. Now of course I call it "win thirty two" when talking, just to piss people like you off.
Look I know you'd like to pretend it pissess people like me off, because that's why you actually use it. Infortunately it doesn't even bother me at all. All it does is serve to make you look unprofessional. You can attempt to justify it all you like, doesn't change anything. The fact that you have to justify it speaks volumes. I just find it highly amusing to poke fun at people like you. You use name calling and then, when cornered, try and rationalize your way out of it. Sorry, but as I said, it's easy to shoot that down on a linguistic level if nothing else.
So feel free to keep using Windoze or whatever other name calling you like. No skin off my back, you are just one of many zealots out there. Just know that it tips people off, and makes you look unporfessional.
If you read my response you would see that I am *NOT* using it, I am using "WIN32".
Ch-ch-ch-check it out: New album on usenet
You'll notice that there's been only 5 full album uploads in the past week to usenet as opposed to the usual 10. DRM clearly reduces piracy by 50%.
Hooray @ RIAA!
We have secretly replaced these Slashdot mods' sense of humor with a rusty nail. Let's see if they notice!!
I remember something slightly like that... IIRC the original simcity came with a list of cities and (I'm a bit hazy on this; it was 12 years ago!) their populations, which were used in the copy protection scheme. This sheet was printed in red ink on white paper, which was allegedly impossible to photocopy, which my copy obviously disproved. I think you just had to turn the darkness level of the copier up. Tricky stuff. It was, as you suggest, more or less agonizing to read.
My personal favourite tho (and on of my favourite games over the last 15 years) is the original railroad tycoon check, which asked you to identify the name of an engine pictured onscreen. As the game was marvellously accurate and played in the main by trainspotterish types, this was not an issue. I knew them all after a fortnight and still know them now!
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
-- Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
This is a legitimate problem. The thing is, lots of labels are independant, but rely on the RIAA and its ilk for distibution purposes. So while most of the money is going back to the band and the independant label, some is still going back to the RIAA. The best way to encourage not using the RIAA is ordering directly from the label itself, either via Mail Order or over the Internet.
Think nothing is impossible? Try slamming a revolving door.
New, from Microsoft... DirectLaw 9.0b! Provides access to the lighning-quick gaming capabilities of the DirectTHEFT and QuickSuit API's and informs appropriate authorities of any 'irregularities'
DirectLaw.INI
[EULA]
EULA_gibberish_quota = huge
Longwindedness = yes
Impenetrable lawyerese = on
[COPY PROTECTION]
broken = quickly
serial algorithm = depressingly simple
Rampant piracy = yes
I think my copy of Simcity must have been cracked by the 'find a friend, copy the disk(s)' method that was all the rage back then. It still is, if you swap swap 'disk' with 'CDR' or more so, 'P2P client'
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
-- Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
This is a very well-argued, balanced and interesting reply! I'd mod it up, but have already been involved in this discussion.
I do tend to agree with you. What your post gets at, I think, is the simple fact that this kind of thing is ultimately unenforceable given a sufficent level of technological literacy. At some stage it has to come down to trusting the consumer to pay for something that they like. Copyright holders shouldn't kid themselves... copyright and IP issues are facing the biggest problem in their brief lives.
And I have to say that in many ways, they have brought it upon themselves. By ripping artists and consumers off and maintaining price fixing cartels, the music, movie and to a lesser extent gaming industries have systematically alienated their consumer base. Their latest lawyer-based attacks on fileswappers may well have been the last straw... there's no trust and no respect any more (was there ever any, or was it simply that the technology wasn't around? I will leave this problem for the reader. :o)
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
-- Terry Pratchett, Hogfather