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Update on the Optimus Keyboard

paulius_g writes "It seems that Art Lebedev has reposnded to the Slashdotting that occured to their page about the ' Optimus Keyboard'. They have included a FAQ at the middle-right of the page stating some of the questions that Slashdotters were wondering. A few interestign ones were ' It will be real', 'We hope it will be released in 2006', 'It will cost less than a good mobile phone', 'It will be OS-independent', and finally 'It will most likely use OLED technology (e-paper is sooo slow)'. They've also included some common answers abotu Russia and it seems that they are as well searching OEMs (From the FAQ: OEM will be possible (why not?), Contact us for hi-res images, or interview inquires). It will be very interesting to see how this technological marvel will be created. Sign me up! I'll be ordering one in 2006."

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  1. Define a good mobile phone by turtled · · Score: 3, Insightful

    'It will cost less than a good mobile phone'

    I have gotten a good one, and it was free. Then there are the phones that cost upwards of $250~$300

    This keyboard will be great for mapping keys for games =)

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    1. Re:Define a good mobile phone by outZider · · Score: 1

      No, it wasn't free, it came with a year or two of your life. ;) A 'good' mobile phone includes modern features and those cost before activation -- at the very least -- $200. I would imagine this keyboard is going to be between $200 and $300.

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    2. Re:Define a good mobile phone by DrEldarion · · Score: 5, Funny

      'It will cost less than a good mobile phone'

      Free after rebate, but you have to pay $39.99 a month.

    3. Re:Define a good mobile phone by frednofr · · Score: 0, Redundant

      'It will cost less than a good mobile phone' I have gotten a good one, and it was free. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch

    4. Re:Define a good mobile phone by onion2k · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe they'll sell it on a similar plan to mobile phones. Free, but tied into a $60/month 12 month contract. You get 5,000 characters 'free', with additional characters available for $0.01 each thereafter.

      Charactersets and "keyboard themes" will be sold by Jamba/Jamster for $6 a time.

    5. Re:Define a good mobile phone by BioCS.Nerd · · Score: 1
      Then there are the phones that cost upwards of $250~$300
      Good question. Let's just hope it doesn't cost as much as a Motorola RAZR (~$500 CAD). I'd be willing to pay a maximum of $100. However, I may be willing to pay less once the "Oh, that's sexy," feeling I have wears off.
    6. Re:Define a good mobile phone by AaronLawrence · · Score: 1

      It's pretty much guaranteed to be more than $100. I would say a minimum of $500 since it is basically a large OLED graphic display (or many small ones).

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    7. Re:Define a good mobile phone by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 1
      This keyboard will be great for mapping keys for games

      My first thought too. Also, many other (graphic/modeling) tools could make use of this.

      Damn, I know it's definitely going to be out of my league price-wise, but it surely looks very, very nice : And the combinations/possibilities seem endless.

    8. Re:Define a good mobile phone by mcb · · Score: 1

      The RAZR doesn't cost $500 anymore. You can get one brand new, unlocked for $300.

    9. Re:Define a good mobile phone by BioCS.Nerd · · Score: 1

      Are you serious? Do you have a link for that? I'm in the market for a new cellphone.

    10. Re:Define a good mobile phone by mcb · · Score: 1

      Check ebay, they can be had for $275+ on there. I'm guessing it's people buying them cheap through cingular and then unlocking them. I actually just picked one up for $285.

      Also, here's one for sale for $350 http://www.simoncells.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idp roduct=1317 (it includes the $30 cable and software that you'd probably want anyway).

    11. Re:Define a good mobile phone by mikis · · Score: 1

      Don't hold your breath. If "classic" keyboard like Logitech diNovo costs like 250$ (or 250EUR in Europe)...

    12. Re:Define a good mobile phone by soulctcher · · Score: 1

      You do realize that a major portion of that cost is the Bluetooth technology built into both modules, right?

    13. Re:Define a good mobile phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having RTFA I can relate to you that their idea of a good mobile phone is one that costs $250~$300, so the keyboard will probably cost $250~$300.

    14. Re:Define a good mobile phone by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      There's a link to a "FREE" Razr in this review. Watch the Cingular fine print.

    15. Re:Define a good mobile phone by loconet · · Score: 1

      According to this interview, the founder and director of development for the Optimus says he can hardly imagine it to be less than $200 to $300 (USD).

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    16. Re:Define a good mobile phone by object88 · · Score: 2, Funny

      You get 5,000 characters 'free', with additional characters available for $0.01 each thereafter.

      If I backspace over my keystrokes, do I get my money back?

    17. Re:Define a good mobile phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Sorry, Ferris. That won't work.

    18. Re:Define a good mobile phone by stuartkahler · · Score: 1

      I'm betting he means a good unsubsidized phone. The mail-in rebates of ~$150 are for signing a service contract. I imagine he's saying this keyboard will cost in the $200-400 range.

      I'd probably run out and buy one of these for $150. Any more than that and it would have to be an anniversary present.

    19. Re:Define a good mobile phone by cached · · Score: 1

      If you call someone back and tell them to forget your last conversation, do you get your money back?

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    20. Re:Define a good mobile phone by bonehead · · Score: 1

      I'd be willing to pay a maximum of $100. However, I may be willing to pay less once the "Oh, that's sexy," feeling I have wears off.

      I'd be willing to pay around $300 or so, if a couple of assumptions turn out to be true. First, for that price it had damn well be durable enough to last a decade. Second, it better have a good enough "feel" to make me want to type on it for that long.

      Just based on the renderings, those keycaps look awfully flat to me. Cool looking, but I'm wondering how much that would affect the feel. Also, it seems to me that getting the keys weighted properly might be a bit challenging with an OLED and associated wiring/support electronics affecting the travel of each key.

    21. Re:Define a good mobile phone by ImaLamer · · Score: 1

      Exactly...

      When you get a phone for free and sign a service contract you are required to pay if you leave the contract. That is because they are bribing you with the phone - nothing has changed since the days of Cellular (ahhh no!!!!, runs screaming).

      The contract isn't to pay for the phone, but to make a 10 times return on what you are paying for the service. Funny system because the phones wouldn't exist without the service companies and they are giving the phones away.

    22. Re:Define a good mobile phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      exactly - phones in russia are not subsidized (that i've encountered so far)

    23. Re:Define a good mobile phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Classic.

    24. Re:Define a good mobile phone by bbcisdabomb · · Score: 1

      I can imagine taking it to a computer lab. "What's the russian quake II console command for jump?" or making the keys all screwed up and watching some poor sod try to play with the WASD keys all over the keyboard.

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    25. Re:Define a good mobile phone by InvalidError · · Score: 1

      I think a single key for this keyboard would cost at least $1 USD to build. After all, each key would have a 32x32-64x64 OLED display, matching driver circuitry, probably RFID-powered and programmed. This would probably cost at least $2 USD/key.

      If you consider the 133t gamer wow-factor appeal of this thing, I would not be surprised if such a keyboard came with an introductory price tag around $400 USD, with the price progressively dropping towards $300 as the initial surge disperses, then towards $200 as mass production kicks in.

      At $200, I would start thinking about it. At $100, I would probably have no second thoughts about it but I do not think this will ever drop under $150 in this form.

      A flat panel keyboard would be simpler to manufacture and more flexible but requires giving up the tactile response... one could configure a standard keyboard area, a trackpad area, volume slider area, etc. anywhere on the surface and even use it as a secondary/extended display, this would be great for laptops.

    26. Re:Define a good mobile phone by TheTomcat · · Score: 1

      If I backspace over my keystrokes, do I get my money back?

      Nope. And they only offer by-the-sentence billing.

      S

    27. Re:Define a good mobile phone by BioCS.Nerd · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't argue with most of what you have to say. However:

      I think a single key for this keyboard would cost at least $1 USD to build. After all, each key would have a 32x32-64x64 OLED display, matching driver circuitry, probably RFID-powered and programmed. This would probably cost at least $2 USD/key.
      I think you're a little off here. Firstly, RFID-powered and programmed? Unlikely. You'd have to then throw in a receiver and that's just plain unlikely. It's undoubtedly a USB powered keyboard if they're hoping to have the SDK truly open and platform agnostic. I can't argue your cost figures, but I think you're probably on the low side. However, I doubt even the most serious gamer would shell out $400 for a keyboard with sexy pictures on them.

      The true market for this keyboard is people working on multiple platforms or those who use programs with countless keyboard shortcuts. Perhaps even typists doing international documents (no more Keyboard Viewer on the screen when typing in OS X and needing international characters). I would be surprised to see the entry cost of this keyboard more than $300. I would be even more surprised if this keyboard ever did make it to market given the costs and slim margins. I doubt there's a niche big enough to sustain this product.

    28. Re:Define a good mobile phone by InvalidError · · Score: 1

      When I said RFID-powered/programmed, I was referring to the keyboard-key interface.

      Each key would have an integrated RFID-OLED driver and the RFID transmitter would be in the keyboard for minimal range. The keyboard itself would indeed be USB.

      The reason for RFID (or equivalent) power and programming would be to avoid otherwise unavoidable wire breakage from repetitive key hits. The alternative would a tactile flat panel since wired keys probably would not live long.

    29. Re:Define a good mobile phone by spuzzzzzzz · · Score: 1

      thats not a problem i will just stop using punctuation and capital letters and no one will be able to tell where my sentences begin and end how will they bill me then huh

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    30. Re:Define a good mobile phone by empaler · · Score: 1

      A few months ago I started feeling stupid that I'd used the same phone for four years - I could've bought a new phone every six months for a quarter and continued with the same price plan at my cellular provider... Think of all those phones I could've sold in the mean time!

      Anyway, I work for a telco customer line now, and when people call in and I can see that that their binding period is almost at an end (6 months here in Denmark), I remind them that they might as well buy a new phone, get it opened for 10$ and sell it for 40$ in an online auction...

    31. Re:Define a good mobile phone by sunwolf · · Score: 1
      So the buzz around the web on that Optimus keyboard we posted up a couple of days ago has been intense. A recent interview with Artemy Lebedev, founder and director of the Russian design firm working on the keyboard, sheds some light on the future of this device: they envision is as an "open source" keyboard, with an SDK and a "keyboard studio" application that lets users customize the keyboard any way they choose (sweeeet!). The company is currently negotiating with several different manufacturers to get the Optimus into production, and they're hoping to see it getting into our hot little hands in about a year for "[no] less than $200 to $300."


      Interview with Optimus keyboard designer adds deets
    32. Re:Define a good mobile phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      please, *please* don't give them ideas...

    33. Re:Define a good mobile phone by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

      Trust me on this - RFID has no place in the design of the keys. It can't give enough power and it would complicate the design. It could use between 2 and 4 "brushes" (sliding electrical contacts with one contact springy and bowed outwards). Or it could use fine-stranded cable with sufficient strain relief. But what they most likely will use is the kind of flexible printed circuit material often found in optical drive assemblies (Mylar, I believe).

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    34. Re:Define a good mobile phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Good' is a very relative term, I bought a Nokia 3315 second hand (ie no contract!) for AU$40 a year ago. It's still going strong and I see no need to replace it, I don't need a phone with a camera. I certainly don't want one that crashes every week like most new phones I've seen do.

      The keyboard looks very cool, but it's not something I'm going to buy for US$200+, at $100 I probably would.

    35. Re:Define a good mobile phone by StrongAxe · · Score: 1

      http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/

      You could do that, but they would likely have some "standard" sentence length for billing purposes. After all, when typing, one "word" is considered five characters, EvenIfYouTypeStuffThatLooksLikeThis.

    36. Re:Define a good mobile phone by mikis · · Score: 1

      No. I figure, if you can buy Bluetooth USB "key" (adapter) for less than 20$, it can't cost them more than 5$.

      You could say that cost is reasonable when you take into account software which enables to do very neat things -- like use the numpad as calculator and remote control, or get a new IM and email notifications on it.

      But I'm willing to bet is that major part of the cost goes to "OMG, it's sooo cool, I must have it" factor ;)

    37. Re:Define a good mobile phone by InvalidError · · Score: 1

      While spring contacts would be the simplest, they have a hard time with friction. With a lifetime in the 100k-1M cycles, the keyboard would have a useful service life of 2000-5000h before the most frequently used keys start to glitch/fail, not quite acceptable for a >$200 keyboard.

      Flexible film (and wires) would work but require a number of extra steps - one end can be bonded to the PCB but the other needs some form of connector. An even better alternative would probably be to make the key's travel distance short enough to directly use spring-loaded pins.

      Using a RFIDesque model to deliver 10-100mW to each key would be possible since the keys could be magnetically coupled with the keyboard to minimize dispersion... but the losses would be big enough to bring this quite a bit beyond USB's guaranteed power delivery capacity, even more so considering that even the wired implementation would already push the limit when all keys are white.

  2. I'll wait until they ship the first update called by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Optimus Prime.

  3. Wow that's great but... by HerculesMO · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Too bad it's not available in 'ergonomic' styles :\

    I love my MS ergo keyboard.

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    1. Re:Wow that's great but... by Mwongozi · · Score: 4, Informative

      RTFA.

      From TFA: "Some day it will be split ('ergonomic')"

    2. Re:Wow that's great but... by RickPartin · · Score: 0

      I can't live with normal keyboards anymore. They are obsolete as far as I'm concerned. Split all the way. I'm pretty happy with my Microsoft Natural Pro but the keys seem more stiff than they should be for an ergonomic. What does everyone recommend?

    3. Re:Wow that's great but... by Takehiko · · Score: 1

      From TFA:

      Some day it will be split ('ergonomic')

    4. Re:Wow that's great but... by Saib0t · · Score: 2, Funny

      lol! "RTFA". Haha, you must be new around here. ;-)

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    5. Re:Wow that's great but... by willdenniss · · Score: 1

      Well nothing at all is available right now, but, from TFA: Some day it will be split ('ergonomic').

      Will.

    6. Re:Wow that's great but... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      "Some day it will be split ('ergonomic')"

      Which I will be interested in buying, although price might be a factor, the cost was vague. I think my good mobile phone cost me $80 before subscription rebates. $80 might not be a bad price for a nifty keyboard like that.

    7. Re:Wow that's great but... by bonk · · Score: 1

      No, a 'good phone' costs around $300-$500 USD. Most of the carriers offer signup deals, where if you buy a 1 or 2 year contract with them, they will subsidize the cost of the phone. Usually down to $0 - $40 USD for the low end phones. You can still expect to pay $80-$300 for the mid to high range phones even with a contract. And in return, they pocket $40 USD (or more) a month from you for two years.

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    8. Re:Wow that's great but... by Zemplar · · Score: 1

      Map it to Dvorak for a start in the right direction.

    9. Re:Wow that's great but... by Cecil · · Score: 1

      I would buy it at $500. That's a sexy keyboard.

    10. Re:Wow that's great but... by Guardian+of+Terra · · Score: 1

      Mapping it to Dvorak is a piece of cake. Just drop in one file :)

    11. Re:Wow that's great but... by Rob.Mathers · · Score: 2, Informative

      After my old ergo died (a fairly generic one I picked up cheaply, but was great and lasted for years), I started searching for a replacement (I didn't want an MS keyboard, mostly because of the dumb function key crap they have now), and found this: http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process ?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=100&pcount=&Product_Id=12 3503

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    12. Re:Wow that's great but... by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1

      Up until it gets sticky...

    13. Re:Wow that's great but... by Splab · · Score: 1

      Well me too - if it wasn't for the O-Led, I seem to remember the green color dies after about a year.
      Not throwing $500 at a gadget that only last one year.

    14. Re:Wow that's great but... by idonthack · · Score: 3, Funny

      you must be new around here

      ...said the person with the higher UID.

      Yes, I know. ;)
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    15. Re:Wow that's great but... by Nytewynd · · Score: 5, Funny

      That Belkin keyboard is a scam. Look at the requirements.

      PC Computer

      I'm looking for a keyboard without crazy restrictions.

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    16. Re:Wow that's great but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I'm New Here!

    17. Re:Wow that's great but... by RealityMogul · · Score: 1

      Some Day

    18. Re:Wow that's great but... by billn · · Score: 4, Funny

      *cough* If a lower uid is all you need to be right.. }=)

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    19. Re:Wow that's great but... by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      I'm still using the keyboard that came with my Compaq Presario back in 2001. The media control keys work fine with a little setup in GNOME, and that's a convenience I'll look for in my next keyboard.

      I wish the other function keys worked. They show up as a separate device in the USB tree, and aren't trapped as part of the keyboard, for whatever reason.

    20. Re:Wow that's great but... by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      While the color OLEDs look really cool in the rendered photos, I don't see why the keyboard wouldn't be equally practical with single-color panels (LCD, even).

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    21. Re:Wow that's great but... by karnal · · Score: 1

      it.

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    22. Re:Wow that's great but... by sprprsnmn · · Score: 1

      Will.

    23. Re:Wow that's great but... by zipwow · · Score: 2, Funny

      > *cough* If a lower uid is all you need to be right.. }=)

      Quiet you young whippersnapper! And get off my lawn!

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    24. Re:Wow that's great but... by MynockGuano · · Score: 1

      Be.

    25. Re:Wow that's great but... by hesiod · · Score: 1

      Split.

    26. Re:Wow that's great but... by Sonri · · Score: 1

      I'm strictly confined to ergo keyboards, seeing as I had carpel symptoms at 12. I'm looking for one that's easier the back and shoulders. I found this keyboard http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/evol_chair.htm, which is a chair mount and wondered if there's a cheaper/better one out there. I don't have this kind of money! Suggestions, anyone?

    27. Re:Wow that's great but... by mnemonic_ · · Score: 1

      Good lord, this isn't Gen[M]ay.

    28. Re:Wow that's great but... by mooingyak · · Score: 2, Funny

      I just feel like posting this here to see how many people read this thinking that it'll be from someone with a lower uid than you :)

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    29. Re:Wow that's great but... by wheany · · Score: 1

      ('ergonomic').

    30. Re:Wow that's great but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you got me :) and made my day

    31. Re:Wow that's great but... by uXs · · Score: 1

      Whee :-P

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  4. The real question is.... by teshuvah · · Score: 0, Funny

    Will it keep the classic G1 flat-nose 18-wheeler look?

  5. Before they get slashdotted...Again by RamboIII · · Score: 5, Informative
    The FAQ:

    Frequently Answered Answers about the Optimus keyboard
    It's in initial stage of production
    We hope it will be released in 2006
    It will cost less than a good mobile phone
    It will be real
    It will be OS-independent (at least it can
    work in some default state with any OS)
    It will support any language or layout
    Moscow is the capital of Russia
    Each key could be programmed to produce any sequence
    It will be an open-source keyboard, SDK will be available
    Some day it will be split ('ergonomic')
    It will most likely use OLED technology (e-paper is sooo slow)
    Our studio is located two blocks from the Kremlin
    It will feature a key-saver
    Keys will use animation when needed
    It has numeric keypad because we love it
    There's no snow in Moscow during Summer
    It will be available worldwide (why not?)
    OEM will be possible (why not?)
    Contact us for hi-res images, or interview inquires

    We want to thank everyone for the support. Stay tuned for our next projects

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    1. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My feeling is this product is vaporware. They say it is in early production but still are not sure if it will have OLED or e-paper technology. More like in early development. They probably mocked up the keyboard design and have an idea and now drum up interest to get funding to actually implement it. There is no way to make this keyboard cheaply at this time.

    2. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by nkh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It will be an open-source keyboard, SDK will be available
      Keys will use animation when needed


      SDK + animation = mini games on your keyboard! And with the layout for different languages, I really hope this thing doesn't get as vapotware as the Phantom gaming console.

    3. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 1

      It will cost less than a good mobile phone

      Ah, the magic of flawed logic...

      The beauty of this phrase is that it means absolutely nothing. Just like the old sales pitch "it's cheaper than the best from and better than the cheapest from ": it doesn't mean it's either good or cheap.

      So, my mobile phone cost me $100 and it's perfectly good for me: will the keyboard cost less than $100? like hell. And a "good mobile phone" may well be one of these $1000 things from Nokia in the eyes of Lebedev, so I'm not holding my breath...

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    4. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by pezpunk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      open source? "key saver" functionality? sweeeeet.

      you know they could write some very simple games for this thing, that would be really neat ... imagine a whack-a-mole type game, where all your keys are blank, and one will light up with some mole image or whatever, and you have to hit that key before it changes. the possibilities are endless.

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    5. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, I hope it's not vapotware, either. The only thing worse than vapotware is despotware.

    6. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by Snoochie+Bootchie · · Score: 1

      I'd expect that to be unlikely only because I'd expect the refreah rate for the key displays to be very low. In order to get the hardware cost down, I expect there will be a lot of sharing of the logic used to update the displays. As a result, it could take on the order of seconds to update the display of a given key.

      This is perfectly acceptable for the main function of a keyboard where waiting a couple seconds to load a new key layout isn't big deal (especially since the app won't load instantly anyway).

    7. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by notthe9 · · Score: 1

      The affirmatively say they are using OLED. They then criticise e-paper, showing that they have no plans to use it.

    8. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by glesga_kiss · · Score: 5, Interesting
      imagine a whack-a-mole type game, where all your keys are blank, and one will light up with some mole image or whatever, and you have to hit that key before it changes. the possibilities are endless.

      Good point. For kids this could be really useful, educational etc. Could teach typing, memory (the match the symbols game), and a whole other load of stuff.

      However. Do you want your kids playing wack-a-mole with your expensive OED keyboard? Mine will be ALL mine!!

    9. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With vaporware there generally has to be an alterior motive. Of course, some people might do it just to do it. Since it doesn't appear to be an established market, it isn't an advertisement to scare off competition. See Microsoft. This could be a ploy to get investors, but I would imagine that they would be selling that aspect more heavily. Of course, it could just be big dreams that aren't grounded in reality.

      We'll see...

    10. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by Erioll · · Score: 1

      But they specifically mentioned that e-paper would be too slow, so I'm thinking that they will have animation on the keys, and at a relatively good rate.

      Though of course, this is all speculation. I'm taking a "wait-and-see" attitude. But if it lives up to expectation... could be cool.

    11. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by databyss · · Score: 1

      Whackamole?!? PSSSHT!

      MINESWEEPER!

      or keyboard pong even!

      Honestly though, I could see whackamole being used as a sort of typing tutor program where the key would display on the screen a split second before the mole appeared so that people would learn the keys to do better in the game.

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    12. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by ReverendLoki · · Score: 1
      imagine a whack-a-mole type game, where all your keys are blank, and one will light up with some mole image or whatever, and you have to hit that key before it changes.

      I suggested this very thing the last blurb on this keyboard, but now that I've had some more time to think about it, I don't think my rubber mallet will do much for preserving the longevity of the keyboard...

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    13. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by AllahsAvatar · · Score: 0

      "Keys will use animation when needed"

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    14. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by signingis · · Score: 1

      s.u.d.o.[space].r.m.[space].-.r.f.[space]/.*

      Game Over

      :)

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    15. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by ReplicantSD1 · · Score: 1, Funny

      They should bundle Duke Nukem Forever with this keyboard, at least their release dates line up *cough* never going to see the OLED light of day *cough*

    16. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by Snoochie+Bootchie · · Score: 1

      That's a good point. Let's say they want 10 frames per second on each key and there are about 100 keys (rounding to make the calculation a little easier). If the resolution of each display is 128 pixels X 128 pixels, that's 16,384 pixels per display * 100 displays * 10 fps. That's 16,384,000 pixels that need to be touched each seconds. 16.384MHz isn't that fast. You could easily take a low cost FPGA (Xilinx Spartan/Altera Cyclone) and implement logic running four times that speed. So, I guess I'm back to believing it's possible.

    17. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by GuidoW · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think one of the selling points is that the moment you press a modifier key (Ctrl, Alt, Shift, Meta, or a combination) all of the keys will immediately change their appearance to reflect their function with said modifier pressed. This should better happen in less than a second. (Less than 0.3 seconds would be better, but then again, if you type this fast, you probably won't need to look at the key anyway.)

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    18. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      How are you translating pixels into megahertz? This is an interesting technique. Assuming each pixel has 16 bit color, you have to send two bytes per pixel. You'll need some sort of universal fast serial bus to transmit that information without using a parallel connection. Unless you want a SCSI keyboard. Of course, that's assuming you want the animations to be constantly updated, rather than buffered locally in the keyboard after being sent once.


      Also, your technique of translating your gibberish into an FPGA intrigues me. Please subscribe me to your newsletter.

    19. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see a resurgence of the annoying VB apps: Hit the 'OK' to exit.

      Hit the 'ESC' key to exit.

    20. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      Whack-a-mole. Conway's game of life. Pac-Man.

      I can also picture treating the keyboard as a tty, and piping syslog to it. (Come on, you're not going to tell me you still need to see the keys, are you?)

    21. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by Snoochie+Bootchie · · Score: 1

      If that is a feature, I agree with you. And, with the quicky estimate I did, I believe it since my back-of-the-envelope calculation assumed 10fps.

    22. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      They already stated in an interview they expect the cost to be no less than $200-300US

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    23. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by palesius · · Score: 1
      Well if you look at the pictures on the site, it looks more like 32x32 on the smaller keys. Probably closer to 125 keys worth of area (since keys like enter, spacebar, KP enter, etc. take up more space).

      None of the keys themselves seem to be using much more than 16 colors. So it could either be

      • 32 bit color which would be 5MB/sec.
      • 16 bit color would be 2.5MB/sec.
      • 8 bit color would be 1.25MB/sec. + palette updates at around 50k so let's just assume the whole palette is sent each time.
      • 4 bit color would be 625k/sec + 4k for the palettes.

      So 4 or 8 bit color would have no trouble going over a USB1 connection, and that's assuming all keys are animated simulataneously.

      As far as the cost concerns, even for LCDs, which would be more expensive than OLEDs supposedly, the cost is going to decrease significantly with smaller screens. At worst, it should be proportional to the area of the screen. However, since the chance of a defect drops rapidly with decreasing screen size, I would think they should be at least cheap enough to offset the cost of any additional circuitry. And some things (like the backlight) won't need to be duplicated at all, one will server for the entire keyboard.

      Keys seem to be about 5/8" x 5/8" so 125sq keys should be about 50 sq inches which is similar in area to an 10" LCD. Which as in this example can be had for under $40.

      Granted, all these figures are a bit contrived and many details are glossed over, but I don't see any reason why this keyboard not being possible in the $100-$300 range, or being unable to support the data bandwidth necessary is a given.

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    24. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by CyBlue · · Score: 1

      I can't wait for Whack-A-Mole!

    25. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by mrchaotica · · Score: 1
      Could teach typing
      How, exactly? Isn't the point of learning to type not to look at the keys anymore?
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    26. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhm, simple pedagogy: say two keys are introduced at a time. The keys flash then. A little practice occurs. Then all the keys are blanked, and more practice occurs. Repeat.

    27. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by GeneralTao · · Score: 1


      One word: Keyboardsaver!

      (Ok, three words mashed together.)

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    28. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by glesga_kiss · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Isn't the point of learning to type not to look at the keys anymore?

      How many keyboards can force you to do that, by blanking the keys for you? They could also do exercises, e.g. you have to hit the one that flashes, then return to the home row, improving your acuracy. Only obvious problem I can see is that the wrist blocks your view of most of the keyboard when you are in the home row!

    29. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      the rendering looks more like 32x32 for the normal size keys, and thats an order of magnitude less pixels to update.

    30. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by dimkanewtown · · Score: 1

      When this keyboard actually appears I see quite a bit of potential for training & education. You could write software that teaches people to speed-type and light up the keys in sequence until they get it. Training for specialty software packages could be easier: for example if on the user is only allowed to hit Y or N then those keys can be flashing to draw attention. I'm sure there are more applications besides hard-core gaming and coding.

    31. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by Urchlay · · Score: 1
      So 4 or 8 bit color would have no trouble going over a USB1 connection, and that's assuming all keys are animated simulataneously.

      So how long before someone writes an MPlayer video output plugin for watching movies on the keyboard? If you used just the main alphanumeric part of the keyboard, it'd be about right for a "widescreen" movie (with gaps in between the keys I guess).

    32. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by Snoochie+Bootchie · · Score: 1

      One other post mentioned that they also believe the key displays are 32X32. My 128X128 was a number pulled from the nether regions. Although, as others have also pointed out, I completely neglected color depth. So, it probably washes out anyway.

    33. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by Thuktun · · Score: 1

      SDK + animation = mini games on your keyboard!

      Combine with cheezy beeps out of your computer's built-in speaker, and you've got SIMON!

    34. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by a.d.trick · · Score: 1

      Typing Tutor 2010: your keys now radomly change positions

    35. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      I would be far more interested in system status and activity indicators on various useless keys. Temperature, network and cpu activity and load, filesystem stats, etc.

    36. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by Urchlay · · Score: 1
      I would be far more interested in system status and activity indicators on various useless keys. Temperature, network and cpu activity and load, filesystem stats, etc.

      If each key is 32x32 and has at least 4 colors, they could have shiny graphs... even ones that span multiple keys... or a really long load average graph on the space bar (even people who need to look at the keys would be OK using the space bar for graphics).

      What would be really slick would be a wrapper for Windowmaker's dockapp API (or whatever Gnome/KDE use), so you could display existing icon-sized applets on the keys with just a recompile (or maybe even just an LD_PRELOAD, no source required).

      I suppose it'd be possible to write an X11 driver (or Windows video driver) so you could run whatever you want and display it across all the keys as a single surface. Then you could have your useful information, I could have my useless movie, and the other guy could have his xterm running "less +F /var/log/messages" :)

    37. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 1

      >> I really hope this thing doesn't get as vapotware as the Phantom gaming console.

      I for one am looking forward to programming my Duke Nukem Forever keyboard mappings. Becasue we all know that niether that game, nor this keyboard are vapourware.

      wbs.

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    38. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by stor · · Score: 1

      Tetris! Sideways!

      Cheers
      Stor

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    39. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by mrchaotica · · Score: 1
      How many keyboards can force you to do that, by blanking the keys for you?
      ALL of them, once I add a can of spray paint!
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    40. Re:Before they get slashdotted...Again by Federico2 · · Score: 1

      Look! Here! That's the ANY key!

      Now, try to push it... it's moving around quickly... try again!

  6. Very slick by rvw · · Score: 1

    It looks very slick, and would make a good match with the aluminium case of the Mac G5. Now only they should make a split version as well.

  7. You can tell they're replying to Slashdot. by nurhussein · · Score: 5, Funny

    We have things like:

    Moscow is the capital of Russia

    There's no snow in Moscow during Summer

    I'm afraid to find the comments that spawned those replies. But it does sound like /.

    1. Re:You can tell they're replying to Slashdot. by garcia · · Score: 1

      This picture of the keyboard shows a Firefox icon on the left side. Someone had complained the last time this was Slashvertised that they wouldn't use a keyboard that had an IE icon on it.

      I guess they listened ;-)

    2. Re:You can tell they're replying to Slashdot. by GeckoX · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, and that picture was already used to counter that statement at that time.

      Nothing new to see, please move along.

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    3. Re:You can tell they're replying to Slashdot. by youknowmewell · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, probably not responding to Slashdot. Why, you ask?

      Because in Soviet Russia, keyboards dynamically map YOU!

    4. Re:You can tell they're replying to Slashdot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But that picture does have an IE icon (as well as a Firefox icon).

    5. Re:You can tell they're replying to Slashdot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except it still as an IE icon on it, dumbshit.

    6. Re:You can tell they're replying to Slashdot. by hakr89 · · Score: 1

      No, they live in Russia, so it's the other way around
      In the UNITED STATES, keyboards dynamically map you.

    7. Re:You can tell they're replying to Slashdot. by garick · · Score: 2, Funny

      It is strange, there is no remark about bears on the streets of Moscow.

    8. Re:You can tell they're replying to Slashdot. by SylvesterTheCat · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of the line from "Kentucky Fried Movie."

      The Joy of Sex: A couple learns of coitus via a record (with help from Big Jim Slade).

      "...and the capital of Nebraska is Lincoln."

    9. Re:You can tell they're replying to Slashdot. by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Obviously, Lebedev was busy drinking vodka with his bear on Red Square (two blocks away from his studio) to write more FAQ entries :)

    10. Re:You can tell they're replying to Slashdot. by object88 · · Score: 1

      Because in Soviet Russia, keyboards dynamically map YOU!

      Why do I laugh out loud every time these jokes are told? Oh yeah, I'm easily amused... :)

  8. Hit the Daily Double.... by pegr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't get me wrong, I like the looks of this keyboard as much as anyone else, but...

    If there's one thing I hate worse than vaporware, it's hype. Show me, don't tell me.

    1. Re:Hit the Daily Double.... by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 1

      Then why don't you ignore the keyboard for 2 years and then come back?

      It's not like they can release a keyboard design one day and have it in production the next....Their FAQ says they "hope it will be released in 2006". If there's still vaporware and hype in, oh, 2008 or so, then you have a valid point.

    2. Re:Hit the Daily Double.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If there's one thing I hate worse than vaporware, it's hype.

      Either you don't understand what "vaporware" is or you're simply making no sense.

      Anyway, it's hardly the company's fault that Slashdot submitters, editors and comemnters are incapable of reading their site properly...

    3. Re:Hit the Daily Double.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Show me, don't tell me

      Great Song.

      SHOW ME DON'T TELL ME
      You've figured out the score
      SHOW ME DON'T TELL ME
      I've heard it all before
      SHOW ME DON'T TELL ME
      I don't care what you say
      SHOW ME DON'T TELL ME

    4. Re:Hit the Daily Double.... by Zackbass · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nice, that's exactly what I was thinking when I saw it. Slashdot and Rush, the perfect combination.

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    5. Re:Hit the Daily Double.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't like hype, the why the fuck are you reading slashdot?

    6. Re:Hit the Daily Double.... by interiot · · Score: 1
      Because most of us have seen this story played out over and over... A company announces and hypes a product that's very far from releasing a working product. Hype goes on, and years later, no product is released. Most of us honestly think this product is rather cool and would like to see something actually produced, but our worries probably will only be made worse by waiting for 2 years.

      I'm not a hardcore entrepreneur, but I'd guess that if there was a real market opportunity here, they wouldn't be shouting the concept up and down the streets, because then someone else would realize there would be profit to be made, and would start developing an alternative now, and it would hurt Optimus's profits.

      Instead, Optimus has probably tried very hard to get funding, and hasn't been able to, because all the investors who have loooked at it think the concept won't be profitable. So Optimus has had to go into super-PR mode to get any chance of attracting start-up money.

      So, we can be worried and sad that this kind of keyboard isn't likely to make it to market soon.

    7. Re:Hit the Daily Double.... by interiot · · Score: 1
      Sorry, I forgot a core point:

      There ARE companies who bring new cool products to the market successfully, but when they do that, there's usually very little advanced warning. One day, everybody woke up, and bam! there was the iPod. Sure, other companies realized that a hard-drive based MP3 player could bring a profit, and started making copy-cat products as soon as it was released. But because Apple didn't super-hype the product years before it was released, Apple had a head start on the competition.

      Ergo: hyping a product long before release, probably is an indication that there isn't profit to be made, and therefore either the product won't come to the market at all due to insufficient start-up funding, or will come to market, but only at a very high price and for a very short time before the company runs out of money.

    8. Re:Hit the Daily Double.... by public+transport · · Score: 1

      We haven't had much innovation in keyboard design, at least not designs which have become mainstream. Hype may convince the people making them to carry out the task. Besides, it us creating the hype here. For you, nothing to see here, move along.

    9. Re:Hit the Daily Double.... by cached · · Score: 1

      But because Apple didn't super-hype the product years before it was released, Apple had a head start on the competition.

      Apple didn't make the first mp3 player.

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    10. Re:Hit the Daily Double.... by interiot · · Score: 1
      Wow, you're a smart one, now, aren't you?

      *points to the words "hard-drive based" in the parent post

      While we're being pedantic (you know full well that Apple had a winner on its hands, and that many companies, as soon as they saw it, immediately wanted to release a copycat product), the first hard-drive based MP3 player was supposedly the Remote Solutions Portable Jukebox PJB-100. Though it doesn't matter, because my essential point still stands... the iPod, via feats of marketing / UI design / whatever, was something cool that everybody wanted to have and/or have one of their own to sell. Apple could have super-hyped it before release, but they didn't.

      (then again, apple didn't really need start-up VC funding like a new company does, but still, I assert my point still stands, that most people's gut feeling is that if people are really hyping a product really hard, long before release, it's most likely a bad sign. and that gut feeling is a justified one)

    11. Re:Hit the Daily Double.... by InvalidError · · Score: 1

      The FAA also says "It is in the initial stages of production"

      The real question here is: what is their definition of "initial stage". Is it initial as in "market/feasibility research", initial as in evaluating implementation technologies, or initial as in currently working on or debugging the first prototypes?

      If they hope to release in 2006, they probably need prototypes for SDK and firmware validation this year.

      I wonder what their keyboard-key interface would be... RFID? Serial? (If it was serial, I would certainly like to have a few keys to use as display devices for other projects.)

      Alternatively, a flat tactile surface with configurable areas would be much simpler to manufacture and be much more polyvalent.

    12. Re:Hit the Daily Double.... by TommydCat · · Score: 1
      Nice, that's exactly what I was thinking when I saw it. Slashdot and Rush, the perfect combination.

      Personally I think the site echos with the sounds of salesmen...
      of salesmen...
      of saaaaaaaalesmen!

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  9. Question Missing from the FAQ by Zane+Hopkins · · Score: 4, Funny

    One question they haven't answered ... Whats the point of a keyboard where every key is a screen ?

    Are they trying to force touch typists to look at the keyboard like everyone else has to?

    1. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by JetTredmont · · Score: 2, Funny

      Touch typists will still touch type. The keys won't be moving around in different positions or anything like that.

      Although, that might be a neat trick. Make random keys exchange positions on the keyboard at random intervals ...

    2. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by OG · · Score: 1

      Off the top of my head:

      -Keyboards hooked up to a KVM switch. Different computers with different OS or configurations would change the layout of the keyboard

      -Custom applications. The custom keys that they showed for launching applications could also be context-sensitive within the current application

      -Gaming, as others have said

      There are tons of things a person with a little imagination could do with this. It looks like a great tool.

    3. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by bdcrazy · · Score: 1

      I did that back on my first computer. After every keypress i had it randomize the scancode table... It was hillarious... for about 2 seconds.

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    4. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by sandwiches · · Score: 2, Funny
      The point of making every key a screen is so spyware developers can now market to you even while you're looking for the letters.

      Imagine all the cool neat things marketers and spyware companies will be able to do with it:
      • They'll be able to make scrolling messages.
      • Change keys to map them with icons of advertisers
      • Entire pictures of naked women with buttons flashing to take you to all kinds of "free" websites
      • Don't like the look of your regular, boring keys? Download Comet Keys! Now, with even more spyware!
      Another golden age for advertisers. Thank heavens.
    5. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by notthe9 · · Score: 1

      One question they haven't answered ... Whats the point of a keyboard where every key is a screen ?

      They showed and talked about multi-language layouts and program-specific layouts. If you want to type in more than one other language than English, you are apt to need multiple keyboards. Yes, you can touch-type on a keyboard with any layout, but I find it takes a while to learn if the language has a different alphabet.

      Then it can really help to learn keyboard controls in different programs, photoshop being a great example. (I bet the people at the company would have loved one while photoshopping their keyboard into existance.)

    6. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by aftk2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Heh, apparently you missed the days of those cardboard layouts that went over keyboards. I distinctly remember one back when we had a PS/2, that showed Wordperfect 3.x's (I think) may keyboard commands. Granted, this isn't as important now, but it'd still be interesting, if for no other reason than it'll lead to more than a few "Oh! I didn't know you could do that by pressing that, in Photoshop."

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    7. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by Gverig · · Score: 1

      And few more:
      -Keyboards for defferent languages - right now I have to buy keyboard with two letters on each buttons. What if you need 3 languages?
      -Different layouts. You want to try 'dvorak' - with a click of a button you have a dvorak keyboard.
      - blind typing - for training, you can remove all symbols so there is no incentive to look at the keyboard
      - extra keys (functional keys, keypad, etc.). You can reprogram them now but you need to remember what you set each key to. And for any application that uses shortcuts- you will be able to actually display what this shortcut does.

      SHOOT ME but I can't remember shortcuts to "step in" and "step over" when I switch between Eclipse, NetBeans, VS and others.
      Now, all that said... I will not pay $300 (which is probably about the price for a decent cell phone, lets drop all this "sign 3 year contract and get your phone free" crap) for the keyboard. $100 maybe...

    8. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This would also be neat for emacs or vi.

      If you make it context sensitive it can quickly show you what you can type in next.

    9. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      it might be nice to do for password security. change the key layout randomly at password entry to make shoulder-surfing harder. These days you can just hit record-video on a cellphone from like 20 feet away and figure out someone's password with a frame by frame analysis.

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    10. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by justforaday · · Score: 1

      ...it'll lead to more than a few "Oh! I didn't know you could do that by pressing that, in Photoshop."

      Bear in mind that a whole lot of those "I didn't knows" come from people who still after all these years haven't learned why there are things like Ctrl+V and Alt+F4 in menus, or why apps like Photoshop have (Z) and (V) and (E) and other letters next to the tooltips that pop up on the toolbar. If they haven't been able to figure these things out by now, I'm willing to bet a keyboard like this isn't going to help them much.

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    11. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by xandroid · · Score: 1

      It'd be incredibly useful for some of us; I've been wishing I could get something like this for about a year now. Those of us who use Dvorak wouldn't have to hear as much groaning from friends who want to use their computers...

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    12. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      There's more to a keyboard than just typing.

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    13. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by wren337 · · Score: 1

      I would hope it's context sensitive, so the key layouts change when you're holding down "CTRL". And like the AC said, a list of word completions on each letter key when you're in vi/emacs/bash.

      What a mess.

    14. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      Well, seeing as many midrange keyboards today cost $100, I'd think this one would be justified at $200-$300, especially for the professionals you hinted at that would especially use the functionality.

      If you're paying X thousand dollars for Eclipse, VS, NetBeans or the other biggies - Adobe CS2, 3DS Max, Maya and the like, then $300 is chump change to increase your productivity by a decent amount (letting you actually use keyshortcuts vs hunting through menus) to do your job.

      That said, with all the crazy gaming controllers, this also might have a market with hardcore gamers at that price.

      Now, if they get it down to $150 or so, I'd think there might be a very large market for it.

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    15. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by object88 · · Score: 1

      Heh, apparently you missed the days of those cardboard layouts that went over keyboards.

      I had quite a few Microprose games with those overlays. Handy when you were face to face with a couple Russian tanks.

    16. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by Aimak · · Score: 1

      I think of... scrolling on the spacebar the name of the song being played in your favourite mp3 player software.

      I think of... highlighting all keys which function is available for a given program, different combined with SHIFT, CTRL or ALT

      I think of... being able to type in the dark because you can see all the keys.

      Come on!, dare to think... ;)

    17. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      How do you know a keyboard is owned by a newbie that has spoken to a Guru (way to much)?? easy the space bar has || ANY || on it and the following keys are also labeled [Crtl] = Kill {Alt} = +Windows [Del{ete}] = + NOW X2

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    18. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by dubious9 · · Score: 1

      -extra keys ...,

      What would be really cool (and worth a couple hundred to me), is if the keys would be able to context change. Like if you press control, then you get little icons on the keys for the control+key actions for each particular program.

      And add an extension on that: put little heat sensors on each key and a little two line LCD on the top of the key board. So now, not only do you get the icons for each meta key action, if you put your finger down, you can get a tool-tip like text description of it. Now *that* would be really cool.

      I could probably go on for about an hour with the posibilities this thing brings up. Best not get too excited about it before it shows up though.

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    19. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by amigabill · · Score: 1

      > Whats the point of a keyboard where every key is a screen ?

      What's the point of those animations on fancy car stereo screens today, or what's the point of a neon light in my car's undercarriage, or what's the point of LEDs built into my computer's fans?

      Some of it is pure bling, but this can actually be useful as well. I know someone that uses the Dvorak layout, I do not, when we're at each others' computers there's a good bit of akwardness. This could be a handy way to swap without actually changing keyboards.

      I also like the idea of putting function names on keys for games, as going between Doom3 and HalfLife2 and other games can leave me forgetting what key does what command in which game, even if I try to set them all as similar as possible there's always something different.

      Or you could perhaps have multiple computers on a KVM switch that may be different platforms. The Windows keys could perhaps automatically redisplay as Macintosh propeller keys, or even to the Amiga logo keys for us rare weirdos still using that.

      Perhaps someone is supporting remote computers in a remote country, the keyboard could change to that language layout which can be useful if that language has umlauts and stuff, or backards 'K's or something.

      Or maybe you just don' tlike the standard PC keyboard layout. Different keyboards can cause confusion. Some have the tilde key above the backspace, sometimes it's elsewhere. The Sun keyboard at work as well as my weird Amiga keyboards both have the control key above the left shift key, but my PC keyboards have it belos the left shift key. I might like to set my PCs to have the same control key location as the other keyboards I use to reduce confusion between computers, especially as I'm at teh Sun all day at work and then games using ctrl as fire sometimes tick me off when I'm pounding on the PC's shift lock key by mistake and my character dies because of it.

      I wouldn't expect to be changing languages very often myself, but there are still some actually useful possibilities in addition to the bling factor which the case mod market will go nuts for.

    20. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by mikael · · Score: 1

      Those keyboard layouts used to come with just about every application. Unfortunately, they went out of fashion when users started running multiple applications simulatenously and cutting/pasting data between them.

      If this keyboard makes it to reality, it would be good to be able to see every option available, as focus is switched between the windows system and individual applications.

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    21. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by Dont_Shoot · · Score: 1

      As a linguist I can personaly atest to the usefullness of this keyboard. I've used everything from stick on labels to seperate keyboards. There is a huge market out there for this KB, especialy if you can use the left function keys as language selectors.

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    22. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by Fweeky · · Score: 1

      "I think of... scrolling on the spacebar the name of the song being played in your favourite mp3 player software."

      Mmmmm, distracting moving things in my perhiperal vision; just what I need to aid my concentration ;)

      "I think of... highlighting all keys which function is available for a given program, different combined with SHIFT, CTRL or ALT"

      Well, yes, that does seem to be one of the points. Something I can turn on with a spare button just to check would be nice; helps avoid my previous point ;)

      "I think of... being able to type in the dark because you can see all the keys."

      Whenever I decide to give myself eyestrain by being silly and doing that, I can still see my keyboard thanks to my primary display(s). Not that I look at the keyboard much when I type.

      And now what, I have to turn off my keyboard at night so I can sleep without having it light up the room? Bah. Give me something that works off reflected light and we'll talk..

    23. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by Maxite · · Score: 1

      *hover finger over the letter "a"*

      a: The lowercase letter a. Used in spelling, first letter of the Latin alphabet.

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    24. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by Flamingcheeze · · Score: 1

      I want a hack that will make every key display "any," and customer service operators will be able to remotely activate that hack for morons who can't seem to find that elusive key. ;P

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    25. Re:Question Missing from the FAQ by hypnoticstoat · · Score: 0

      If keyboards like this ever go into production then you just know that someone is going to write a virus that will shuffle your keys around for you everytime you press one while scrolling some dumbass message across the F keys.

  10. Wow by Snatch422 · · Score: 0

    That is one nice feature list and one nice looking keyboard. This could be seen everywhere one day as imagine every application you load programming the look of the keyboard to make that application extremely easy to use. Should be interesting to see what happens.

  11. Oh come on people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yes, yes, I agree, it's very pretty, but how many times do you actually look at your keyboard? The whole point of keys is that they are under your fingers. This is a gimmic, with absolutely no use.

    1. Re:Oh come on people by rasty · · Score: 1

      False. Please look at the pictures posted. It's a perfect way to have a direct reference of key mappings for each application/game you're using without going crazy or having to RTFM.

      An icon on the pragrammable shortcut keys will also be very useful.

      Plus as a nice extra they'll be able to make only one keyboard and ship it all over the world!

    2. Re:Oh come on people by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 1

      Not -all- people type without looking at their keyboard : Besides that, when using various graphical tools (Photoshop, 3DSMax), you don't have your hands constantly on the keyboard (mouse/digital pen) : So there's where it comes in use too.

    3. Re:Oh come on people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No! Here's why. Where the keyboard behaves as a fixed input device, normally, I quite agree.

      When you have VERY complicated applications - let me give for example programming a 8 FM oscilator, formant wavefunction synthesiser like the Ymaha FS1r, what you need is an adaptable input device. Most peeps in serious studious already have a controllerboard of some kind like a doppfer or something with 16 reassignable continuous controllers. A keyboard like this fits right into that sort of setup. My first task would be program a custom mute board for every instrumnent I edit in Logic. Its very empowering in situations beyond typical use. Music is just one example.

    4. Re:Oh come on people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about you, but I only have ten fingers. That means at any given time, the vast majority of the keyboard is visible. And when I'm doing graphics with one hand on the stylus and the other on the keyboard for modifier keys, there are only five fingers on the keyboard. Of course we can see the keys. Of course we'd like to see them.

      We could follow your argument to the end and just ask why they bother to paint the keys at all, they should just leave them all blank.

    5. Re:Oh come on people by atteSmythe · · Score: 1

      You don't look at your keyboard because the view is always the same. If it changed for each application - especially applications you're using for the first time - I imagine it would warrant another look.

    6. Re:Oh come on people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Plus as a nice extra they'll be able to make only one keyboard and ship it all over the world!

      Oh yes, just think of all the cost savings they'll make from that. I hope they'll pass them on to the customers.

    7. Re:Oh come on people by NardofDoom · · Score: 1

      There's lots of times I look at my keyboard. Mostly it's looking to figure out which command is the right one in a graphics program or something. Having the commands right on the keyboard would be really helpful. And having the characters change when I hit a modifier would make typing special characters much easier.

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    8. Re:Oh come on people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about you, but I only have ten fingers. That means at any given time, the vast majority of the keyboard is visible.

      And apparently, no palms.

      We could follow your argument to the end and just ask why they bother to paint the keys at all, they should just leave them all blank.

      Yes, indeed we could.

    9. Re:Oh come on people by ashchap2 · · Score: 1

      The UK keyboard layout actually has different shaped keys to the US one. I want a morphing keyboard!!

  12. "interestign abotu Russia" by saskboy · · Score: 1, Troll

    I don't speak Sweedish Chef so I wasn't able to RTFA.

    What exactly is this keyboard good for? Are they thinking of making a non-querty version?

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    1. Re:"interestign abotu Russia" by StupidStan · · Score: 0

      this is going to be useful to power-users for programs where keybaord shortcuts are not that useful as is. Using fireworks, or a video editing program could be streamlined using something like this. Probably not all that useful for anything that requires typing such as coding or document authoring. Also, this is going to be a huge hit with the most money-frivelous pc owners... gamers... they will buy these things up in the thousands so they can get a few more frags online.

    2. Re:"interestign abotu Russia" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think about a keyboard which has a screen on every key, and think about why that would make a "non-querty" layout unneccessary ;)

    3. Re:"interestign abotu Russia" by bynary · · Score: 3, Informative

      Uh...not only is it non-QWERTY, it's layout independent.

      I guess I don't understand your logic. The uses for this keyboard are practically endless. Think about the academic applications. For instance, my dad is currently working on his doctorate in Septuagint studies. He could click a button and instantly switch his keyboard over to Koine Greek and back to English instead of having to remember what English letters are mapped to which Greek letters.

      Let's say you use Photoshop. You could eliminate all of the letter keys and map all your keys to Photoshop functions. It basically eliminates the need for "specialty" keyboards. Plus it has the "neato" factor with animated hotkeys.

      Think outside the QWERTY.

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    4. Re:"interestign abotu Russia" by huckda · · Score: 1

      I guess you can't read pictures either...
      no matter WHAT you configure your keyboard as is how it will diplay the function of those keys.

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    5. Re:"interestign abotu Russia" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Are they thinking of making a non-querty version?

      It can be remapped on the fly so you can have a querty keyboard rather than the normal QWERTY style. :-)

    6. Re:"interestign abotu Russia" by sandwiches · · Score: 1

      The answer to your first question is for any program where keys are used for anything other than just writing.

      The answer to your second question is "mu".

    7. Re:"interestign abotu Russia" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd love it for gaming.

      I recently started playing a new flight sim that is very complicated. The biggest problem i've had with it so far is learn all of the key commands. Being able to actually see what does what on the keyboard would be amazing.

    8. Re:"interestign abotu Russia" by saskboy · · Score: 1

      It was a joke. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/layout.html

      A better question of course if if they'll have one that can take on an ergonomic shape, and also if keyboard trays are going to accomodate the extra keys on the left side.

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    9. Re:"interestign abotu Russia" by BeeRockxs · · Score: 1

      It's not exactly layout independent. For non US-QWERTY keyboards, quite often the physical number of keys and the arrangement of them is different, too Most european keyboards have 105 keys, not 104.

    10. Re:"interestign abotu Russia" by bynary · · Score: 1

      Yes, but QWERTY refers to a letter pattern on the keys in which the Q, W, E, R, T, and Y keys are in sequence in the upper-left-hand corner of the keyboard. So, any non-English or non-standard layout keyboard cannot technically be called a QWERTY keyboard. The Optimus, being logical-layout independent can be a QWERTY keyboard but is not necessarily so.

      So it's not physical-layout independent, but it is logical-layout independent.

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    11. Re:"interestign abotu Russia" by BeeRockxs · · Score: 1

      There are non-english QWERTY layouts with 105 keys. And it's not logical-layout independent. For example, the german 105 key keyboard has 11 keys in the lowest row (above the spacebar), this optimus board has 12 keys there. The german keyboard has 3 keys to the right of the 'l' key, the optimus keyboard has 4 there. The german keyboard has the enter key on the 2nd and 3rd row, not on the 4th and 5th. Etc.

    12. Re:"interestign abotu Russia" by bynary · · Score: 1

      You're missing the point. With the Optimus, it doesn't matter if you have 104, 105, or 1 million keys. Every single key can be independently mapped and the character that is displayed on each one of these keys can be changed to reflect that mapping. It doesn't matter if there are 4 keys to the right of the T key or 40 because the T key doesn't have to be tied to any one spot on the keyboard. You could have 105 T keys for cryin' out loud! You can make it so that the enter key is mapped to the 5th key in the 14th row on every 3rd Saturday in every other leap year because the whole freakin' thing is controlled by software. What I'm saying is that a QWERTY designation is irrelevent.

      the german 105 key keyboard has 11 keys in the lowest row (above the spacebar), this optimus board has 12 keys there

      So leave one of them blank.

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    13. Re:"interestign abotu Russia" by Random832 · · Score: 1

      There are non-english QWERTY layouts with 105 keys. And it's not logical-layout independent. For example, the german 105 key keyboard has 11 keys in the lowest row (above the spacebar), this optimus board has 12 keys there. The german keyboard has 3 keys to the right of the 'l' key, the optimus keyboard has 4 there. The german keyboard has the enter key on the 2nd and 3rd row, not on the 4th and 5th. Etc.

      no, YOUR german keyboard does. as do about half of MY us keyboards - the others have it on the 3rd alone.

      their enter key is just bizarre no matter where you are - that doesn't make it "US-centric", that just makes it dumb. but look closer, it's on the 3rd and 4th, not the 4th and fifth. and it's a minor difference _anyway_. whenever you buy a new keyboard you have to get used to the different feel, the different pressure on the keys, slight differences in spacing and depth, anyway.

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  13. Seems expensive by mfloy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The idea that it costs as much as a good mobile phone is vague. Do they mean $300 models or $800 high tech top-of-the-line phones? A keyboard would have to be absolutely revolutionary, fantastic and wonderful for me to spend $300, let alone $800. Well, only time will tell.

    1. Re:Seems expensive by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Let them make it, let them make their own mistakes too. IPods are also quite expensive and they sell. Maybe this will sell maybe not.

    2. Re:Seems expensive by cybersaga · · Score: 1

      I'd like to know who is producing it.

    3. Re:Seems expensive by Xzzy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've never understood why people are unwilling to shell out money for a good keyboard, but will cheerfully plop down money for the hottest CPU or latest video card. I'm not saying the OP in specific is this type of person, it's just something that gets said a lot, 'no way am I paying more than $20 for my keyboard'.

      Granted, I ain't paying $300 for a keyboard either, but I did pay about $100 for my buckling spring keyboard.

      The keyboard is still the primary input device for a majority of computing tasks, to me logic would suggest spending as much on it as you can afford. They don't become obsolete, either. Get a good keyboard and it might even outlast you. ;)

    4. Re:Seems expensive by stuffman64 · · Score: 1

      Or do the mean cell phones like the Vertu line of cell phones, ranging upwards of $20,000...

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    5. Re:Seems expensive by MrNonchalant · · Score: 3, Informative

      In an interview linked to by Gizmodo (http://www.gizmodo.com/) he said $200 is very optimistic and $300 is just optimistic. If it had enough application support I might buy it.

    6. Re:Seems expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The idea that it costs as much as a good mobile phone is vague. Do they mean $300 models or $800 high tech top-of-the-line phones?

      From the interview with the creator that someone else linked to:

      PT: Any approximations on cost yet?

      AL: I can hardly imagine it to be less than $200 to $300 (USD). Sounds like a lot for a keyboard, but most modern mobile phones cost about that.

      I'm quite unwilling to pay more than $50 for a mobile phone personally, but $200 for this... I might do that. Though I'll want to try it out in a store first, mostly to get the feel of the keys. They'll need to have decent "grip" / not feel too weird.
      Still, very excited about this keyboard. It could be the best thing since tabbed browsing.

    7. Re:Seems expensive by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

      I've never understood why people are unwilling to shell out money for a good keyboard,

      Because the prices are unrealistically high? Keyboards have ALWAYS been cheap. Anyway I suspect this "displayed keyboard gadget" will be available in geek sales sites, but I doubt it'll be used by the mainstream - unless it gets REALLY cheap.

      Then again, home users barely know how much do their "internet enabled keyboards with cool looking hotkeys" cost.

    8. Re:Seems expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm still using a circa 1985 keyboard with a built-in calculator that is powered over the cable. Granted, it needs a PS2 adapter to be useful on modern computers, and someday I'll likely have to add a PS2 -> USB adapter, but it still functions. And best of all was its price: free! I got it used off an old proffesor of mine back in High School.

    9. Re:Seems expensive by xstonedogx · · Score: 0
      I've never understood why people are unwilling to shell out money for a good keyboard, but will cheerfully plop down money for the hottest CPU or latest video card.

      Because:

      • A working keyboard is an exacting input device. The most and least expensive keyboards still print the exact same codes to the computer. As long as it works, who cares?
      • Keyboards get old and wear out or break. I would rather replace a used Dell keyboard I got for free than a $100 buckling spring keyboard.
      • When you are used to cheap keyboards, using them is no big deal. When you are used to expensive keyboards, anything less seems like a chore.
      • Expensive keyboards usually justify their cost by offering features that aren't really that useful or innovative. Sometimes they just look pretty.
      • Your keyboard shouldn't be 10-30% the cost of the entire system.
      • An expensive keyboard doesn't typically provide the same value as "the hottest CPU or latest video card".
    10. Re:Seems expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never understood why people are unwilling to shell out money for a good keyboard...

      My mug of coffee usually sits right beside my keyboard... get the picture?

      it's just something that gets said a lot, 'no way am I paying more than $20 for my keyboard'.

      If you're not prone to RSI, then most any keyboard is good enough. For years, I've been using a $5 keyboard 6-10 hours a day, and I haven't had any problems. If I can be happy by spending $5, why pay more?

      They don't become obsolete, either.

      Ironically, Optimus-type programmable keyboards will become obsolete quickly. There'll be improvements in the display tech, the programming, the layout, etc.

    11. Re:Seems expensive by SoCalChris · · Score: 1

      I've never understood why people are unwilling to shell out money for a good keyboard, but will cheerfully plop down money for the hottest CPU or latest video card.

      No kidding. Anyone who uses the computer more than a few hours a day would do themselves a lot of good to buy a high quality keyboard and mouse. They are tools you use all day for your job, it is worth spending a little more to get some that work well, and are comfortable to use.

      I'm using a Customizer 101 key keyboard with buckling springs from PCKeyboard.com. They have them for only $49, which is a bargain considering this thing will probably last several decades. The frame of it is made out of metal, and it is heavy enough that I could probably use it as a club if I wanted to. Also, it doesn't have the Windows keys (But I think they are available if someone wants them).

      For a mouse, I bought a Microsoft Bluetooth mouse, because I hate cords and USB dongles, and it fits perfectly in my hand.

    12. Re:Seems expensive by imsabbel · · Score: 1

      My problem with spending lots of mony for keyboards is the coke factor...
      They just are much more likely to die than anything else int he computer, and really cleaning/maintaining them is a bitch.

      I really would like the optimus, but i also perfectly know that i wouldnt use it, simply because it would be too nice to wear out/get dirty.

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    13. Re:Seems expensive by claussenvenable · · Score: 1

      >>A keyboard would have to be absolutely
      >>revolutionary, fantastic and wonderful

      Perhaps something like this?
      Now a mere $500, and just as revolutionarily functional as ever.
      No joke, I have one for home and one at work -- saved my wrists after everything else failed :)

    14. Re:Seems expensive by l0b0 · · Score: 1

      ObQuote: "Seems? Well, it seems like you're wasting my time. This baby is 900 knickers in any store you're lucky enough to find one in, and you're ogling over 200? Tighter than a duck's butt, you are."

    15. Re:Seems expensive by Cosmo-san · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing the main reason is because people need expensive graphics cards to play detailed games, whereas all a keyboard needs to be is functioning. And I usually look at my monitor for optical interface. Flashing keyboards wouldn't help much. I have a black keyboard that I recieved with the computer and a 5-button mouse that was around $20. If either goes, i have several others lying around. The only useful thing that this keyboard does is look pretty. I already have the choice to put keys where i want them in games. And reprogramming the entire keyboard would make me relearn how to type/play.

    16. Re:Seems expensive by fo0bar · · Score: 1

      I'm using a Customizer 101 key keyboard with buckling springs from PCKeyboard.com. They have them for only $49, which is a bargain considering this thing will probably last several decades. The frame of it is made out of metal, and it is heavy enough that I could probably use it as a club if I wanted to. Also, it doesn't have the Windows keys (But I think they are available if someone wants them).

      I also bought a Unicomp keyboard, in my case, a Customizer 104. I also love it, and while $50 is 5 times the price of the previous most expensive keyboard I've bought, I still feel it was worth every penny. Also, I flipped the keyboard upside down, and noticed it had a manufacture date, which was the same date it was shipped out to me.

      As for the Mod4 key, I think it gets a bad rap just because it has a logo of a big company on the key cap. I have about a dozen Mod4+Something keyboard shortcuts set up in Fluxbox, and it's great. Even in the windows world, it has a lot of functionality that almost nobody knows about. Most people say "oh, that's just another button you press if you want to bring up the start menu", but as a simple example, did you know you can press Windows+L to instantly lock the display?

    17. Re:Seems expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Keyboards get old and wear out or break. I would rather replace a used Dell keyboard I got for free than a $100 buckling spring keyboard.
      because REAL keyboards (i.e. buckling spring) are built like friggin tanks. Keep em clean and they'll outlive YOU
    18. Re:Seems expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your keyboard shouldn't be 10-30% the cost of the entire system

      You need to factor in life expectancy.

      My current keyboard cost me $150 in 1989. It's been used on $10-20K of hardware since then.

      The only four computer parts I have no qualms about shelling out lots of money on are, in order: monitor, chair, keyboard, mouse

      Nothing else lasts long enough to be worthwhile.

    19. Re:Seems expensive by teslar · · Score: 1
      They don't become obsolete, either.
      Oh, yes, they do. One concept: Pizza Crumbs Collector ;)

      And greasy fingers and dandruff and sticky stuff where you really don't want to know what it is and so on and so forth....

      Further, something tells me that using a screwdriver to pop out all the keys of this fancy Optimus thing in order to give it a good clean is just not going to work ;)
    20. Re:Seems expensive by mrchaotica · · Score: 1
      all a keyboard needs to be is functioning.
      It needs to be comfortable to use too, and for some people the only comfortable ones are expensive. I'd say it's worth it to get one you like -- I still have the buckling-spring one that came with my first computer (Tandy 286) and I love it, so I can certainly see how people would be willing to spend $50 to get one with modern Bucky keys (e.g. Windows key, Command [open-apple] key).
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    21. Re:Seems expensive by BlogPope · · Score: 2, Insightful
      An expensive keyboard doesn't typically provide the same value as "the hottest CPU or latest video card".

      I know several journalists and other professional writers who would argue that. All the latest video card does is display my manuscript, so long as it can display the resolution I want, they are all the same.

      A good keyboard means the codes get translated correctly at high typing speeds, gives the feedback the user needs to maintain those speeds, and lowers stress on the fingers enabling them to type longer more comfortably. Searching for two dropped letters in a thousand word essay can quickly eat up the $$$ delta between a cheap and expensive keyboard. Most coders feel the same way.

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    22. Re:Seems expensive by Nik13 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I've spent about $350CDN on keyboards (just for my home PCs) in the last couple of years. Turns out most of the "nice" features most have are mostly useless.

      The latest one is a Microsoft Wireless Comfort Keyboard - it's not split, but it has that slight "bend" in the rows of keys (hard to explain). That feels quite nice. Again, lots of keys I don't care for, and some annoying shortcomings that (F-Lock can't be enabled by default and keeps turning off; no insert key, ...) that none of them seem to fix. It came with some mouse that scrolls both ways.

      What I still dislike the most about it? The feel of the keys. I'm still wishing it was a buckling spring keyboard, and I'm very hesitant of swapping the brand new keyboard for an old Dell AT101W instead (gotta justify the expense somehow). Those buckling sprig keyboards (that Dell one at least) is just a bit oversized too, and I've never found a keyboard that felt so nice (and where you can type as fast and error/typo-free).

      I've been looking at the maltron keyboards seriously, but the price is quite high (I've spent almost as much, but it was by increments of ~100$ so it didn't seem as bad). 550$ CDN for a keyboard, plus shipping and customs clearance... Ouch! At that price you're not buying 1 per computer either. And I'm wondering how their switches (Cherry MX) feel like, compared to the ones I'm used to.

      If you want a cheap and pretty good buckling spring keyboard, those Dell AT101W aren't hard to find and go for ~20$, yet will still work for a long time. Beats every single expensive Microsoft/Logitech keyboard I've had/used/bought in the past 5 years.

      As for keyboards not becoming obsolete, well, some PCs are starting to ship w/o ps/2 ports (and KVM switches are starting to make the transition as well).

      As for people not putting a lot of money on keyboards, I suppose that's because they either don't type much (some people only seem to ever touch their mouse), or never tried a good one. Or perhaps it's just me - I don't mind using an older system (especially video card) with better input devices and such, as I'm no gamer at all. It feels like most people care more about an extra 2fps in whatever game over a lot of things...

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    23. Re:Seems expensive by MynockGuano · · Score: 1

      Yes! Mod4 is wonderful! I rambled about that a bit in the last Optimus Keyboard thread, so I won't do it again, but I think one of the most ironic things about the key is that it is millions of times more useful in most Linux environments than it is in Windows. In the realm of Fluxbox/Blackbox/pekwm and their ilk, Mod4 reigns king. >8)

    24. Re:Seems expensive by xstonedogx · · Score: 1

      I know several journalists and other professional writers who would argue that. All the latest video card does is display my manuscript, so long as it can display the resolution I want, they are all the same.

      You're missing the point. The poster didn't understand why people won't shell out money for a good keyboard. I gave some reasons. You're talking about a special purpose (writing professionally). I'm talking about typical use. Remember, we're talking about people who don't shell out for a keyboard, not about people who do. But let's continue...

      A good keyboard means the codes get translated correctly at high typing speeds, gives the feedback the user needs to maintain those speeds, and lowers stress on the fingers enabling them to type longer more comfortably.

      I type ~110wpm and I've never had a problem with cheap keyboards dropping characters. If I found one that did, I'd throw it away and use another free keyboard.

      I do probably as much typing on any given day as the typical professional writer. I understand the comfort of more expensive keyboards. This goes back to my argument: if you don't use it, you don't miss it.

      Searching for two dropped letters in a thousand word essay can quickly eat up the $$$ delta between a cheap and expensive keyboard. Most coders feel the same way.

      Don't writers proofread their essays anyway? You can't shift the entire cost of proofreading their essay onto the keyboard because of two dropped characters they should discover during their proofreading anyway. Not to mention if two characters are dropped, the resulting error is going to show up immediately upon spell checking the document in 99% of cases.

    25. Re:Seems expensive by Casca · · Score: 1

      The same reason that many people spend less than $500 on their mattress. You only spend anywhere from 1/4 to 1/2 your life on the thing... You'd think people would want a comfortable one.

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    26. Re:Seems expensive by Tim+Browse · · Score: 3, Insightful
      An expensive keyboard doesn't typically provide the same value as "the hottest CPU or latest video card".

      About ten years ago (or thereabouts) I started to get slight pains in my wrists from typing (I'm a professional programmer). It worried me, and at the time, Microsoft had just launched their ergonomic keyboard. At 100ukp, it was expensive, but I liked the sound of the idea, and thought it might help, and considered my hands were probably worth it.

      After about 2 weeks, the pain was completely gone. Of course, you can argue (as with Qwerty to Dvorak change) that it was just because I was using different habits/muscles. However, since then, I've always used Microsoft ergonomic keyboards (along with a few friends, I've built up a small stockpile for when Microsoft totally fuck up the keyboard layout and stop selling decent keyboards), and the pain has never come back.

      I'd say saving me from pain/RSI/compulsory career change is pretty good value. Certainly better than being able to run Half Life 2 at a slightly higher resolution, anyway.

      I have similar views on mice - I generally buy good ergonomic mice, and am prepared to spend more than 15ukp on them, unlike some people. It just seems worth it for something I'm going to use for 8 hours a day.

      However, I have no doubt that this keyboard will suck big time from an ergonomics point of view (even though they're just renders, they look nasty - flat, limited key travel, not split, etc) so I'd have to agree that this is really a gimmick and doesn't provide "a $300 value" as they say these days. They might make it a good ergonomic keyboard, but it seems unlikely.

      A good keyboard can provide good value, but I don't see it in this one yet. It's a nice feature, and I can think of lots of nice uses for such a keyboard, but for $300? No.

      But in general, most people who use computers a lot should spend more than they do on keyboards, mice and chairs. (And for Cliff's sake, stop using the laptop's built-in keyboard!)

    27. Re:Seems expensive by wirelessbuzzers · · Score: 1

      I use a Kinesis keyboard. Here's why it was worth my ~$300:

      A working keyboard is an exacting input device. The most and least expensive keyboards still print the exact same codes to the computer. As long as it works, who cares?
      Fancy keyboards are often programmable, i.e. they can remap or macro in firmware. This means that I can assign hotkeys to the KVM, remap to Dvorak + caps lock->control on every system, independent of whether it's Mac or PC.

      Keyboards get old and wear out or break. I would rather replace a used Dell keyboard I got for free than a $100 buckling spring keyboard.
      Most high-end keyboards are extremely durable, and can be cleaned relatively easily. Cheap keyboards wear out more rapidly.

      When you are used to cheap keyboards, using them is no big deal. When you are used to expensive keyboards, anything less seems like a chore.
      Not true for me; ymmv. I don't like certain types of keyboards (I hate Mac keyboards, for example), but my views haven't changed since I got a fancy one. Of coures, I prefer it as it's more comfortable, but I can tolerate using a cheap one.

      Expensive keyboards usually justify their cost by offering features that aren't really that useful or innovative. Sometimes they just look pretty.
      Lots of buttons controlled by the thumb, especially modifiers (more work for thumb than pinky, nicer chords). Contoured surface (less movement for wrists). Lots of key travel (good for joints). Macros and remapping built-in. How aren't these useful or innovative?

      Your keyboard shouldn't be 10-30% the cost of the entire system.
      It's not (I use it from system to system). But anyway, why shouldn't it be? The monitor is 20-50% of the cost of the system, and those two components (plus the mouse, but you want to minimize that one if you have any sort of wrist problem, and the speakers, but not so much for coding) are the parts I interact with directly.

      An expensive keyboard doesn't typically provide the same value as "the hottest CPU or latest video card".
      Bullshit. My CPU doesn't affect my tendonitis, whereas my keyboard definitely does. I often work on an old FreeBSD machine with a VIA C3 CPU and integrated graphics. As long as I'm just coding, the only difference between that and a dual Xeon is the compile time, and since I usually don't compile big things interactively, that's not so bad.

      Now, when I'm gaming, the hottest CPU or latest video card is a big deal, at least for the latest fps. And I don't use a fancy keyboard, since the split makes things harder. I'm much more concerned about the mouse and monitor in that case.

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    28. Re:Seems expensive by Isaac-Lew · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are such things as keyboard covers, you know. See here - I'm surprised no one's mentioned them yet.

    29. Re:Seems expensive by Cyclometh · · Score: 1

      I paid almost $400 for my Kinesis keyboard in 1996. Still use it today, and it's the best money I ever spent on a peripheral.

      A cheap keyboard=pain. At least for me.

    30. Re:Seems expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keyboard condoms are not only ugly, but they ruin the tactile feedback of the keys. This has been true for every keyboard I have ever owned (yes, I've used those covers at various times).

      Great for industrial settings where there are metal shavings/dust flying about, or where everybody has grease all over their hands. However, they are *terrible* for home/home-office/office settings, where tactile feedback and comfort are paramount.

      Besides, those 'clear' covers really aren't, and would remove any reason to buy this keyboard in the first place. Those OLED pictures aren't going to be the clearest things on the planet, and dropping a plastic/silicone mat over them won't improve things any.

      I give the Optimus Keyboard a rating of "Neat but unnecessary - I'd buy it" and keyboard condoms a rating of "utilitarian, uncomfortable and ugly - I hate them."

    31. Re:Seems expensive by ian+mills · · Score: 1

      That keyboard is the same as the famous IBM Model M, which I bought used from Microcenter for $3. Yes, three dollars. As you pointed out they last for decades. Just run it through the dishwasher for a quick clean and it's good as new. IBM made millions of them, and you can find them for fairly cheap, no need to spend $50+ on them.

    32. Re:Seems expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mostly agree with you, but my choice of keyboard is quite ironic in view of your last comment: I actually paid 130 euros to get a laptop keyboard for my desktop computer :) I suppose it's a matter of taste...

    33. Re:Seems expensive by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      No! Don't you get it? This is Slashdot, a site for geeks to talk about technology. So therefore, Slashdot nerds being the nerds they are, will rip anything new apart, because they're so open-minded about new technology.

    34. Re:Seems expensive by Kentamanos · · Score: 1

      I went to your link about new keyboards, and I couldn't agree more. I dread the day that my current keyboards die.

      The most annoying part is MS has done this in the past. I remember the first "Natural" keyboards got it right. Then they decided to mess it up with the next version (cross instead of inverted "T" for cursor keys, and I think they did something screwy with the Ins/Del group as well back then). Eventually, they figured out that this upset people and went back to version 1 layout. Why on earth they decided to screw it up again, I have no idea. Are they trying to create "collector's editions" of their keyboards? :)

      The most annoying thing about the new layouts is Logitech seems to be copying the MS layout. I'd gladly buy a new Logitech keyboard if they decided to stick to the sane layout, but unfortunately they've decided to follow MS's lead.

    35. Re:Seems expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because MS stopped making the only decent product they ever made (the originalk natural kbd) and now make them as cheesy and cheap as they can.

      the new ones suck. I am using a 5 year old one I saved from my previous job.

    36. Re:Seems expensive by alexburke · · Score: 1

      I've never understood why people are unwilling to shell out money for a good keyboard, but will cheerfully plop down money for the hottest CPU or latest video card.

      Owning a Herman Miller Aeron chair, purchased new from Herman Miller before the dot-com bust caused a flood of them on eBay, I feel somewhat qualified to insert my CAD 0.02.

      Even though my Aeron has the older lumbar support (the chair on the right in the second photo at the link above), instead of the newer Y-shape one (can you purchase that part by itself to upgrade the older ones?), it is an incredibly supportive and comfortable chair, even when spending continuous 8+ hour periods in it. The Aeron's mesh is far superior to that of the cheaper imitations available at Staples etc; it prevents your back, butt, or thighs from getting sweaty even if the room you're working in is sunny or hot, and causes a very even distribution of support throughout.

      Yes, I spent C$1,000 on it. However, two of the options on the chair, the tilt-five-degrees-forward control and the lock-recline-angle control, which I never and rarely use, respectively, could have been omitted for a savings of C$100 per option. (Hindsight was apparently C$200 at the time.)

      Even at C$800 for the chair (which has a 12-year parts-and-labour warranty if bought new from them), if you spend any appreciable amount of time in a chair, it is money very well spent. Your back (and therefore the rest of your body, since it's all pretty much connected to that at one point or another) will thank you.

    37. Re:Seems expensive by sillybilly · · Score: 1

      Keyboards get dirty, crummy. You can spill food on them, drool on them, get all kinds of stuff into the cracks - hair, dust, bagel-crumbs. Sure you can clean them, but it's easier to just get a new one for 3.99. Now if they only made them recyclable, or made some out of metal parts that come apart easily and you can put them into your dishwasher, then snap back together easily, that would be a lot more green friendly. As far as outlasting you go, try using a keyboard from 1980 today. Goood luck. Even if it's in perfect condition.

  14. What would be really badass... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think it would be incredibly badass if, when you press down on the shift key, the lowercase letters change to capital letters, and the numbers change to special characters, etc.

    Also, when you hold control, the word 'copy' appears on the C-key, 'paste' on the V-key, etc.

    That would rock.

    1. Re:What would be really badass... by rasty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ah yes!

      And this keyboard will also allow people to try out some "smarter" layouts kile Dvorak allowing them to go back if they don't like it, or use it only for like one hour a day for practice, then revert to QWERTY or whatever you're using!

      I really look forward to it.. or maybe a lower-cost version in 1 or 2 years anyway!

    2. Re:What would be really badass... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, a badass keyboard would be made from recycled battleship steel. And the keys would be unlabelled.

    3. Re:What would be really badass... by HCIdivision17 · · Score: 1

      No doubt this will happen, given that it apparently will also be capable of a keyboard version of a screen saver. It would certainly explain why they want OLEDs over digital paper, since the paper would be too slow to react properly to typing.

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    4. Re:What would be really badass... by op12 · · Score: 1

      ...allow people to try out some "smarter" layouts kile Dvorak

      Looks like you're having enough trouble with your current layout :)

    5. Re:What would be really badass... by rasty · · Score: 1

      Surely I'd be a bad betatester :/

    6. Re:What would be really badass... by BillyBlaze · · Score: 1
      That's pretty cool, but I'm looking forward to whole-keyboard remapping. I use Dvorak mostly, and it's great, but because I have a QWERTY keyboard, I can't hunt-n-peck with Dvorak, I can only touch type. It's annoying to have to move both hands to the keys just to fill in a form or something. So if the keyboard could switch between QWERTY and Dvorak (which is kinda it's point), it would be useful to me.

      Two things bother me about its design, though. One, the Enter key. The enter key is the most important key; why is it that every other company thinks they can change it and it won't bother people? My enter key is a one-row two-column rectangle to the left of the apostrophe, and that's the way I like it. On the layout they show, the Enter key is a big 2x2 rectangle, and they put, of all things, a backslash key and a blank key where it should have been. I suppose I could remap it, but there's no reason for that.

      And the other worrisome thing is the width. If my keyboard gets much wider I won't have a space to mouse. So why not just put the function keys on a row above the F keys, as most "multimedia" keyboards do?

      Oh, and I'd like for the FAQ to answer the most interesting technical question - how are the keys electrically connected to the keyboard? And are they removable/cleanable/consumer-replacable?

    7. Re:What would be really badass... by Ingolfke · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is a great idea and will most likely be the second mod released for this keyboard. The first mod will replace all the letters on the keyboard with boobs.

    8. Re:What would be really badass... by Gropo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah and under Windows, when you hold the alt key, the number pad would start cascading a bazillion different number possibilities for Unicode commands. Study up, Tank! :\

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    9. Re:What would be really badass... by idonthack · · Score: 1

      Well, they're halfway there.
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    10. Re:What would be really badass... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when you press down on the shift key, ... the numbers change to special characters

      Actually I'm not sure how usable that would be. For those who don't know the keyboard layout, with a regular keyboard, they can look at all the keys, find the one they need and depress Shift and the key quickly. But with your scheme, they have to depress Shift and hold it while they look for the right key, leading to sore fingers. Worse, if they don't find it quickly, they'll wonder if they need to depress Shift after all, and start switching back and forth between Shift-on and Shift-off hunting for the proper key.

      Basically, your scheme makes they keyboard modal (based on depressing the Shift or Control key), which is usually not a good idea.

    11. Re:What would be really badass... by idonthack · · Score: 1
      It's annoying to have to move both hands to the keys just to fill in a form or something.
      Then just type with one hand.
      I haven't tried that out, but it looks awesome. Expensive though.
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    12. Re:What would be really badass... by CptNerd · · Score: 1
      The first mod will replace all the letters on the keyboard with boobs.
      Hmm, now if you could make a mod where they both looked and felt like boobs, then you'd be in the, um, forefront of technology...

      ^===^

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    13. Re:What would be really badass... by patio11 · · Score: 1
      That would be... completely useless, because you've presumably mastered the complex concept that "Holding shift causes letters to become capital", like third-graders the world over, and do not need to look down at the keyboard while you type.

      I'm left wondering why I would pay a single dollar for a programmable keyboard when there exists free software to do the same thing and I can touchtype. And I say this as someone who has to use three locales on his development machine as a regular basis. Its not like hunting and pecking in Japanese takes up so much of my time I would need labels to speed it up...

    14. Re:What would be really badass... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And program the ctl-alt-del combination to replace all the keycap images with a tiled image of Tux, saying 'press my right foot to install Linux'.

    15. Re:What would be really badass... by DreadSpoon · · Score: 1

      I believe, from the text and examples shown, that that is exactly what this thing is supposed to do. The keys show in real-time what their function is.

    16. Re:What would be really badass... by cyberworm · · Score: 1

      that's apple for some of us you insensitive clod.

    17. Re:What would be really badass... by syusuf · · Score: 1

      or if the keys could automatically switch between the alphabet and command mode functions in vi.

    18. Re:What would be really badass... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, this could certainly open up new possibilities in the lucrative field of keyboard pr0n.

    19. Re:What would be really badass... by nine-times · · Score: 1
      Yeah, but I think it's obvious that the device won't help people while they touch-type.

      Where it might be useful is in education, for learning new shortcuts, for playing games or using apps that you don't use often enough to touch type everything, etc. I could imagine a kiosk where you want the meaning of the keys to change, but you aren't dealing with users who use those apps every day.

      The "holding shift causes letters to become capital" is really simple, but at least it would add a sort of consistency. Or how about this: you won't need a caps-lock light anymore. If you look at the keyboard and all the letters are caps, but you aren't pressing shift, then caps-lock is on.

      I think the real (everyday) value in your parent post is in shortcuts. Sure, we call know ctrl-X means copy, but there might be loads of shortcuts in a given app that you just don't remember off-hand. Instead of hunting through the menu system, you could just hold down ctrl and see what pops up.

      If it's done right, there could even be some driver-magic so that the keyboard can automatically tell what app is active and what shortcuts are available for that app, and then program itself accordingly.

    20. Re:What would be really badass... by e03179 · · Score: 1

      is if my keyboard had a screensaver.

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    21. Re:What would be really badass... by It'sYerMam · · Score: 1

      More likely they'll ship it by default. You saw the image of all the lower case letters, right? since the number keys don't have their shift-function on at the same time, it would make more sense that way.

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    22. Re:What would be really badass... by The+Taco+Prophet · · Score: 1
      I think it would be incredibly badass if, when you press down on the shift key, the lowercase letters change to capital letters, and the numbers change to special characters, etc.

      I guess I'm weird, but although that occurred to me, too, I didn't get that excited about it. I mean, that's a really great feature and I think it would be a good selling point... but I'm not that interested in it personally. I already know all the shortcuts & such for the programs I use every day, and I touchtype, so I don't really need the letters.

      The application of this thing that really got me excited was the thought of taking a background image, breaking it up into 144 or whatever little pieces, and mapping it across the keys, so I have a keyboard background to go with my desktop background.

      Yeah, it's silly and pointless... but how freaking cool would it be?

    23. Re:What would be really badass... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even better.

      When a message on the screen says "Press any key to continue." all the keys should change to read "ANY".

      This will save me many tech support calls!

    24. Re:What would be really badass... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy shit!

      Now I can finally figure out how to use Emacs!

    25. Re:What would be really badass... by sharkey · · Score: 1
      The first mod will replace all the letters on the keyboard with boobs.

      Yeah, right. Like any of us WANT Steve Ballmer and Darl McBride staring up at us while we type.


      What?

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    26. Re:What would be really badass... by lordvdr · · Score: 1

      Take is a small step further.

      If I hit the chat key in a game, it should show me the regular letters and when I hit enter or escape, go back to the symbols. I usually get myself killed when I'm in the middle of typing and someone jumps in front of me. I would have plenty of time to avoid dying if it weren't for the stupid chat console.

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    27. Re:What would be really badass... by pklinken · · Score: 0

      i was thinking that it would also be cool if you could fit 2 lines of ur console output on the spacebar, e.g. so you can see which module failed to load launching this application.

    28. Re:What would be really badass... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure...
      but will it have an ANY key?

    29. Re:What would be really badass... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      I touch type too, but I think it would be nice. Just think of all the special special characters, the ones that can't be reached with just shift. I can type a bunch of them with the option key (and option-shift) on my Mac, but it would be great if I could see what I was doing instead of hitting every key and deleting the characters I don't want.

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    30. Re:What would be really badass... by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      all keys except [alt] [crtl] [shift] [capslock] + whatever else wouldn't work do to "issues"

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    31. Re:What would be really badass... by Noehre · · Score: 1

      I think it would be badass if, when using your favorite word processor, the keys displayed the characters of whatever font you were currently using.

    32. Re:What would be really badass... by The+Taco+Prophet · · Score: 1
      I touch type too, but I think it would be nice. Just think of all the special special characters, the ones that can't be reached with just shift. I can type a bunch of them with the option key (and option-shift) on my Mac, but it would be great if I could see what I was doing instead of hitting every key and deleting the characters I don't want.

      Err... that's pretty much what I meant when I said I could see it as being useful, and a good selling point. I just don't personally need it, and would find the other far more entertaining since I don't. :)

    33. Re:What would be really badass... by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Dude, I recall some image of a keyboard with two of those eraser like pointers, the keys were mounds, trackers in teh center.

      Also, Acer has a keyboard with booblike wrist-rests!

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    34. Re:What would be really badass... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would slow down typing. Currently you can look for the symbol as you're moving your finger to press Shift. For those of us that aren't touch typers, if the symbol doesn't appear until Shift is pressed down then hunt-and-peck becomes asynchronous.

      "Now where was that & sign again?"
      [holds down shift]
      "Oh right, it's over the 7."
      [presses 7]

    35. Re:What would be really badass... by xENoLocO · · Score: 1

      asdljkawelkj...

      kawlk;kalskdfkoooo...


      akjlqlqjqelf2112122```313`13`13JKLFkLlk...

      (i've already got that)

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    36. Re:What would be really badass... by Oggust · · Score: 1
      Now I can finally figure out how to use Emacs!

      Emacs? This thing will be awesome for nethack neophytes!

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    37. Re:What would be really badass... by SharkJumper · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sorry. The second mod will be to add the "any" key.

      SharkJumper

    38. Re:What would be really badass... by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      I agree about the enter key. I also notice they added a few more spare keys over on that side of the kb, including an extra key between ?/ and Shift, which should serve to completely screw up my smiley touch typing!

    39. Re:What would be really badass... by yRabbit · · Score: 1

      Just wait until somebody figures out how to install spyware for it and have advertisements on your keyboard! Woo!
      well okay just in Windows at least. ;)
      Or wait until some program's license agreement makes you agree to display scrolling animated advertisements on the keys.

      Though seriously, this is a quite interesting idea, I could think of many useful functions for it.
      (Media player status stuff, CPU/memory status, um.. generic secondary display of a sort?)

      I'd just want to see an ergonomic version, and more normal placement/size of the enter key.
      But, I imagine/assume one could probably map one of those extra keys to enter.
      I see in http://optimus.artlebedev.ru/keyb_001.jpg it goes
      [;] ['] [\] [ ] ENTER
      [.] [/] [ ] shift ENTER

    40. Re:What would be really badass... by inKubus · · Score: 1

      You just need a nice easy API for the driver so people making applications can talk to it easily. And then have the standard shell stuff show up automatically also, like Alt-F4 in windows and stuff.

      I have a thousand ideas, I just need to get my hands on one of them.

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    41. Re:What would be really badass... by Garabito · · Score: 1
      Also, when you hold control, the word 'copy' appears on the C-key, 'paste' on the V-key, etc.

      I would just settle for a keyboard with dedicated 'cut', 'copy' and 'paste' keys, like Sun's keyboards are.

      Come on people. Why 'Print Screen', 'Scroll Lock' and 'Break' are still wasting my keyboard's real state? Why are we stuck with the same basic keyboard layout since the PC/AT?

    42. Re:What would be really badass... by Tyrathect · · Score: 1
      Two things bother me about its design, though. One, the Enter key. The enter key is the most important key; why is it that every other company thinks they can change it and it won't bother people? My enter key is a one-row two-column rectangle to the left of the apostrophe, and that's the way I like it. On the layout they show, the Enter key is a big 2x2 rectangle, and they put, of all things, a backslash key and a blank key where it should have been. I suppose I could remap it, but there's no reason for that.


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  15. Creator interviewed at this site by xTK-421x · · Score: 4, Informative
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    1. Re:Creator interviewed at this site by Clowning · · Score: 1

      They have made perhaps the worst possible color choices for that page. Yuck!

    2. Re:Creator interviewed at this site by Primotech · · Score: 0
  16. This calls for... by Alcoyotl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Let's open an "Ask Slashdot" topic named : best programmable keyboard. Any ideas (ergodex, POS keyboards, XKeys...) ?

    1. Re:This calls for... by mario64 · · Score: 1

      It may not be released yet, but my vote would have to go for the "Optimus Keyboard". After seeing the pictures last week, how could any other programmable keyboard be named the best... :)

    2. Re:This calls for... by Alcoyotl · · Score: 1

      Yes, it looks like a real winner in its category. Of course, that apple-like clean design has nothing to do with it. No I'm lying, it's both aesthetically pleasing, technologically clever and pretty usefull too.

      But I wonder how much time it will bet logitech and microsoft to come up with similar solutions. Come on, the keyboard hasn't evolved in the last 25 years. How many ppl still use the SCROLL LOCK key ? Umm ? And don't tell me slapping a bunch of "multi" - "media" keys on top is a revolution.

      Maybe it's true then, patents do have killed inovation (but that's another topic), so it's refreshing to see some guys actually go out and do something.

    3. Re:This calls for... by Rasta+Prefect · · Score: 1

      But I wonder how much time it will bet logitech and microsoft to come up with similar solutions. Come on, the keyboard hasn't evolved in the last 25 years. How many ppl still use the SCROLL LOCK key ? Umm ? And don't tell me slapping a bunch of "multi" - "media" keys on top is a revolution.


      Well, I do, although mostly not for things it was intended for. On the other hand, I'm using an IBM model M manufactured in 1984, so I may not be the expert on keyboard evolution.

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  17. Um WOW! by LupidStupy · · Score: 0

    I was thinking to myself "What could possibly be in a keyboard that would cost that much and why would Slashdotters care?" Then I rtfa and WOW! Can you imagine every possible idea you could do with this?

    1. Re:Um WOW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you imagine every possible idea you could do with this?

      You must have read my thoughts, man: pr0n keys!

  18. Wonder if they will notice the second slashdoting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They took notice on the first slashdoting, wonder if they will notice this one!

  19. Great Keyboard! by Shurikn · · Score: 1

    I never liked any keyboard 'innovation'
    i'm curently usin a microsoft wireless keyboard with all thos fancy and useless keys, and I hate it.

    But that keyboard looks wonderfull. I cant wait to grab one!

  20. Unanswered Questions by TPIRman · · Score: 4, Informative

    This keyboard looks like a great way to easily explore the capabilities of powerful apps especially for beginner users. But the 10-key area on the left for application, while it looks pretty sharp, worries me.

    Would this keyboard require you to switch modes manually? Power users might jump between apps a lot when putting together, say, a music video in Final Cut or a pamphlet in InDesign. Am I going to have to hit the appropriate key every time I switch apps? This could get drudgerous pretty quickly.

    Then again, someone who has their workflow down likely doesn't need OLEDs to remind them of keyboard shortcuts, so my complaint might be mootwrong target market. It still seems that the board would be more of a "killer app" type of thing if it were context-sensitive and didn't require prompting from the user.

    1. Re:Unanswered Questions by Illserve · · Score: 1

      It turns out some people use computers for other things than work. I know... crazy, but there it is. Some of these people are willing to spend big piles of dollars to enhance the value of this entertainment, and this goes double if the gizmo looks cool.

      Now go play some of today's more complicated computer games like WWII Online and you'll stop wondering what the market of this thing is in a heartbeat.

    2. Re:Unanswered Questions by cybersaga · · Score: 2, Informative

      Am I going to have to hit the appropriate key every time I switch apps?

      You would use the appropriate key to switch apps.

    3. Re:Unanswered Questions by bonk · · Score: 1

      I'd imagine that if they couldn't get a driver that integrated smoothly into the operating system with a callback that set the keyboard's keys, the very minimum that they would have an app that would poll for the active window and install the appropriate keymaps for that application or the default keymapping.

      What I would like to know is this; what is the tactile feeling on the surface of the keys? Is it smooth plastic? Textured plastic? Do the key images have the capability to change when you press capslock/shift or any of the other mod keys?

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    4. Re:Unanswered Questions by repvik · · Score: 1

      Quote from TFA: "Every key of the Optimus keyboard is a stand-alone display showing exactly what it is controlling at this very moment."

      I think that makes it perfectly possible to do context sensitive.
      The keyboard driver could monitor which app is active at any moment and swap "keymaps" on the fly (Hey! Art? You reading this?! ;), while still having the possibility of switching between several modes *within* the program by using the keys on the left.

    5. Re:Unanswered Questions by Giggles+Of+Doom · · Score: 1

      Well, with the open SDK, it would seem possible that you could have it react to your own events, such as a window gaining focus or an app starting. The app keys might both start the app and switch the keyboard layout.

      It would also be cool to hack it to do nifty effects. How about changing the keys' background color to service as a UV meter thought a WinAmp plugin? Or have the num pad act as a little info center when not in use, with little graphs for cpu temp, usage, etc. Have the F key row flash when an email arrives, or have it switch Scroll Lock to "read new mail."

      But it is true that once you work with an app long enough you learn the shortcuts without visual aids. But would make learning and adding new shortcuts or complex commands (entire scripts) pretty trivial.

      Very interesting, and I am hearing quotes of $200-300 as the target price. Expensive, but might be worth it if you can make it do enough.

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    6. Re:Unanswered Questions by Ossifer · · Score: 1

      Why should the addition of keys worry you? I had this same layout of extra keys on Sun keyboards for years. I had apps like Emacs programmed to do what was printed on the keycaps (cut, paste, search, etc). Took me years to stop reaching for those keys when they took away my Sun & gave me a pc (piece o' crap).

      Maybe it's because you make the assumption you later question--that you have to press those side keys manually to switch between keyboard layout settings for various apps. That would be pretty stupid wouldn't it? It would be easy to tie into the window manager such that the system itself could reprogram the keyboard as you switch focus from window to window...

    7. Re:Unanswered Questions by Jodka · · Score: 1

      "This keyboard looks like a great way to easily explore the capabilities of powerful apps especially for beginner users."

      You use Blender, I presume.

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    8. Re:Unanswered Questions by TPIRman · · Score: 1

      You would use the appropriate key to switch apps.

      Now that makes a lot more sense. You must be right. It seems like an awful lot of desk real-estate for a function that's already performed reasonably well by Command/Alt-Tab, but hopefully advanced users would be able to remap those keys to macros.

    9. Re:Unanswered Questions by Dan+Crash · · Score: 1

      The keyboard driver could monitor which app is active at any moment and swap "keymaps" on the fly

      That would be fantastic. The colorscheme could even change to reinforce which keymap is in use.

      And as long as we're throwing out hacks, you could have the Spacebar display the subject line of incoming e-mails as they arrive, assuming you've got spam under control.

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    10. Re:Unanswered Questions by DimGeo · · Score: 1

      If this thing takes off and one day becomes the standard, I picture things like each program automatically remapping the keyboard with its shortcuts (say, showing 'paste' on V when ctrl is pressed) - or it can even be done by the GUI package - if there is a shortcut that starts with CTRL, plot it on the kb when CTRL is pressed. Or stuff like that. Imagine games plotting their keys when they start up. Talking about 0 learning time. It would be extremely badass. If only... If only...

    11. Re:Unanswered Questions by jwocky · · Score: 1

      The most important unanswered question: WILL IT HAVE THE ANY KEY???

    12. Re:Unanswered Questions by lakin · · Score: 1

      It sounded to me like the 10 key area is simply for quick program access, not for selecting the keyboard layout. It sounds like selecting the layout is going to be mostly software anyway (they said unsupported os' will have a default layout), and as they will be releasing the SDK, it cant be long before someone automates it anyway.

      I think it would be quite cool if someone wrote an app that turns the 10 key area into the first 10 items in your dock. And then, in photoshop (for example) the 10 key area could turn into the first 10 items in the main toolbox.

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  21. Power Consumption by d3m057h3n35 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How much power would this thing draw (and can we even guess at that accurately)? Would it need to be plugged in to its own outlet, or would power over USB be enough?

    1. Re:Power Consumption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      In an interview the designer says "possibly it will have an external power supply". Like I don't have enough power blocks and cables already.

      He also says he can't see it costing less than $200-$300.

    2. Re:Power Consumption by Dynedain · · Score: 1

      If you can run a scanner or a zip drive over USB power, something like this should be a piece of cake.

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  22. Whoa Nellie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It will be very interesting to see how this technological marvel will be created. Sign me up! I'll be ordering one in 2006.

    Put the credit card down and step back from the keyboard. Let's see if they actually produce one before you start planning your hardware purchasing for next year. Or are you the type that stands by the mailbox every day with a wistful look on your face while clutching your DNF pre-order receipt?

  23. This isn't answered by arose · · Score: 1

    Why are the keys still arranged like on a typewriter and not in nice vertical columns?

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    1. Re:This isn't answered by Qwerty0 · · Score: 1

      Presumably one big reason is that although nice vertical columns are pretty to look at, they're difficult to type on... particularly since everyone's already used to touch-typing with the usual setup.

    2. Re:This isn't answered by arose · · Score: 1

      Yes, the numpad is so difficult, no one would ever use that... Touch typists may have finger that bend diagonaly, I do not.

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  24. Thoughts on the "Enter" key... by whyde · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They say: "Enter" key is big in size and nearly square in form.

    I say: It had better be, since it is in a completely different zipcode from the home row keys. What's up with the extra 2 keys on the home row between JKL; and Enter? It's impossible to hit their Enter key without moving your right hand off the home row.

    Industrial designers are like Architects: they design something idiotic, then let an Engineer figure out how to make it work in a useful way.

    If all keys are visually remappable, then they really need fewer keys. I'm still disappointed at all the junk (arrow cluster, numeric pad) on the right side of the home row between me and my mouse.

    If this came in a "Happy Hacker" footprint, then they may get my attention. Right now, it's too many colorful, expensive, redundant, unnecessary buttons.

    What I've found pleasant in the meantime is a laptop-style keyboard with a marble-mouse beside it. From the mouse, I can reach the PgUp/PgDn keys on the small-footprint keyboard with my thumb, like getting two extra buttons for free.

    1. Re:Thoughts on the "Enter" key... by NenadM · · Score: 1
      I am worried about "Enter" key, too. It's so much different on different keyboards, and on this - it's totally out of place.

      On another issue, it's interesting to see how totally oposite things are praised as "cool". Few weeks ago there was a hype about geek keyboard without anything inprinted on keys, and now we have one with an OLED dispay on each one. :)

    2. Re:Thoughts on the "Enter" key... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know how they expect people to use most of the keys on this thing. Even the right control and shift are way too far over.

    3. Re:Thoughts on the "Enter" key... by HoneyBunchesOfGoats · · Score: 1

      What's up with the extra 2 keys on the home row between JKL; and Enter? It's impossible to hit their Enter key without moving your right hand off the home row.

      That's where characters in alphabets with > 26 letters would go. It's a Russian keyboard, wouldn't it make sense that they'd allow for non-English layouts?

      If all keys are visually remappable, then they really need fewer keys. I'm still disappointed at all the junk (arrow cluster, numeric pad) on the right side of the home row

      Meanwhile, most of us have no problems with the classic layout, prefering the numeric pad for entering numeric data, and using the arrow keys for directional movement.

      between me and my mouse.

      Sounds like a personal problem.

    4. Re:Thoughts on the "Enter" key... by switcha · · Score: 1
      I'm still disappointed at all the junk (arrow cluster, numeric pad) on the right side of the home row between me and my mouse.

      I'm not. I love extended keyboards. Hey, I must be the target market!

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    5. Re:Thoughts on the "Enter" key... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1
      What's up with the extra 2 keys on the home row between JKL; and Enter? It's impossible to hit their Enter key without moving your right hand off the home row.

      They're pretty standard in many keyboard layouts; here in the UK, they are '/@ and #/~ for example.

      And no, it's not a problem moving your hand slightly off the home row to reach Enter; you get used to it in about five seconds.

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    6. Re:Thoughts on the "Enter" key... by Moofie · · Score: 1

      "it's interesting to see how totally oposite things are praised as "cool"."

      Yeah, it's almost like there's more than one person who post their opinions here. Shocking concept.

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    7. Re:Thoughts on the "Enter" key... by OnARantAgain · · Score: 1

      You must be an Engineer, because only an Engineer could criticize originality as 'unoriginal' (yes, I realize this more 'cool-original' than 'E=mc2-original', but coolness is what us geeks live for). And last time I checked, the *last* person you ask to make something useful is an Engineer; they work the guts; people in touch with the real world make it user-friendly. Sorry for the rant, but couldn't stand by and let somebody who thinks a keyboard-embedded mouseball is the way to go slam this cool little puppy, especially when this is obviously just a prototype and obviously designed for people other than Captain Unimaginative here (i.e. a keyboard designed for languages/patterns other than just English/Standard).

    8. Re:Thoughts on the "Enter" key... by Dan+Crash · · Score: 1

      I say: It had better be, since it is in a completely different zipcode from the home row keys.

      What do you mean? Look again.

      The Enter key is in exactly the same row as the home row keys. It just extends downward into the row below as well, instead of of upward as many keyboards do now. In other words, your pinky will be tapping the top of the Enter key instead of the center or lower right corner as you may do now. There may still be ergonomic problems with the Optimus, but the only (minor) problem I see with the Enter key is that it's two keys farther to the right than the keyboard I'm using to type this.

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    9. Re:Thoughts on the "Enter" key... by JohnsonWax · · Score: 1

      If all keys are visually remappable, then they really need fewer keys. I'm still disappointed at all the junk (arrow cluster, numeric pad) on the right side of the home row between me and my mouse.

      Move your mouse to the left, then. No harder learning how to left-mouse than it is to learn a minor keyboard remap. Then you can also use the numeric keypad and mouse simultaneiously, which is handy.

    10. Re:Thoughts on the "Enter" key... by jasongetsdown · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Industrial designers are like Architects: they design something idiotic, then let an Engineer figure out how to make it work in a useful way.

      whoa whoa whoa buddy. Back up a bit. Not to get defensive here, but this is a totally falacious statement. Its regrettable that the current high profile architects are to some extent rediculous devotees to the "big blob" school of arch, but I assure you thats not how we operate on the whole. Architects, like all designers, are trained to identify a need and conceptualize and useful way to fill that void. (look instead at MVRDV, Rem Koolhaas, Herzog & de Meuron, or Diller Scoffidio and Renfro)

      This keyboard fills a void magnificently well and throws in the kind of visual verve that makes people pay attention. In fact, like many great designs, it fills a void we didn't really think of as a void until we saw it. This will be the ipod of keyboards when it comes out at that just-expensive-enough pricepoint.

      Engineers "make is work in a useful way" because thats their job. Thats what engineers do. They take a problem and attack it analytically. They break it down into do-able pieces and then build it back up. Without the designer thinking creatively from the top-down and the engineer coming at it analytically from the bottom up things like ipods and nikes and ray-bans and ferraris and optimus keyboards would not be possible.

      Leave it to the engineer and you get beige box, suburban office park, opressively uniform ugliness (but its cheap). Leave it to the architect/designer and you get uncomfortable "modern" furniture, difficult to use products, wacky, not-in-my-backyard buildings whose maintenance costs are through the roof.

      Cooperate and beautiful things emerge (google maps!).

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    11. Re:Thoughts on the "Enter" key... by Malicious · · Score: 1

      Uh, that's a lot of complaints that all forget ONE important point.

      The Keyboard will be COMPLETELY CUSTOMIZABLE. If you don't like the layout of the 3 center keys, CHANGE them. No one said the JKL keys have to be where they were in the images. Don't like where the Enter key is? Move it somewhere else.

      That's kind of the idea...

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    12. Re:Thoughts on the "Enter" key... by Kalgash · · Score: 1
      I RTFA and found the following:

      PT: Any word on Windows, Mac OS, and Linux compatibility?

      AL: I see no reason to make keyboard OS-dependant. As you can see from the current layout we have enough keys for Win or Mac control keys. As well, we made the keyboard several keys larger than usual QWERTY to comfortable fit all the Cyrillic letters (there are 33 of them).

    13. Re:Thoughts on the "Enter" key... by Kalgash · · Score: 1
    14. Re:Thoughts on the "Enter" key... by Fulkkari · · Score: 2, Informative
      What's up with the extra 2 keys on the home row between JKL; and Enter?

      As others here pointed out, this keyboard is to be compatible with international keyboards. Comparing to a Finnish keyboard there is one extra key after JKLÖÄ' and two on the row above after OPÅ + umlaut. But I agree that the Enter-key is a problem. Comparing with my keyboard it has moved one row down and quite a bit to the right in the place where right shift should be, which isn't good. Also, the left shift should be a small one because there is a key missing there! In Finnish layout there is <-key between left shift and Z-key, which is also used to type >-key. On PC keyboards you produce also the |-key, which could make piping UNIX commands difficult.

      The numpad and arrows are nice if you play games + the sound control and eject button for Macs are a very nice to have. Nevertheless I would not have anything against a "light" version of the keyboard (or country-specific models for that matter). The left row of keys should however be removed.

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    15. Re:Thoughts on the "Enter" key... by DarkEdgeX · · Score: 1

      Yep, agreed, that Enter key is an awful idea. Please make the Enter key like it is on normal keyboards (Microsoft Internet Keyboard for example). Putting it off to the side like that will pretty much rule it out as an option for me (because I don't want to deal with having to unlearn/relearn using a normal keyboard when I'm away from my fancy keyboard).

      I can, on a positive note, handle the new keys to the left of the tab/caps lock/esc keys. Those seem to me to be both functional and pretty. ;)

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    16. Re:Thoughts on the "Enter" key... by Angst+Badger · · Score: 1

      There's more to life than using a text editor to crank out code. I do numeric data entry both as a programmer and in a business role. There is no way I'm going to hit 18,000 ksh without a ten-key, and I can't break 60 wpm on a tiny laptop keyboard. With a proper, full-scale buckling spring keyboard, I can hit almost 90 wpm. (Not, mind you, while writing code, but again, there is more to life than writing code.)

      I also do a lot of graphics and audio work with the usual bewildering array of applications. Having a visually-remappable keyboard would be a big help with the applications I don't use frequently enough to learn all of the keyboard shortcuts.

      And, of course, there are games. Not twitchy FPS shit, but the complex strategic wargames.

      Finally, if we had a keyboard like this, we might finally get programming languages with decent mathematical symbols -- instead of crap like !=, <> **, and so on.

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    17. Re:Thoughts on the "Enter" key... by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Hmm... Having Enter in form of 4 small standard-sized keys, and a huge, square, 4-key size backslash (on its usual location, right from right shift) would feel somewhat like hitting anus instead of vagina, nevertheless very interesting idea :)

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    18. Re:Thoughts on the "Enter" key... by dkf · · Score: 1

      Finally, if we had a keyboard like this, we might finally get programming languages with decent mathematical symbols -- instead of crap like !=, **, and so on.

      And when we do, we'll have the programming language to make use of it.

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    19. Re:Thoughts on the "Enter" key... by the_wesman · · Score: 1
      It's impossible to hit their Enter key without moving your right hand off the home row./blockquote

      I'm not sure what kind of keyboard you have, or how gigantic your hands are, but I can very easily touch the enter key with my right pinky with my other 8 digits on the (proper places in the) home row ... I can even keep my wittew fums on da space baw....

      I would suggest getting larger hands if you really have this problem
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    20. Re:Thoughts on the "Enter" key... by calyst · · Score: 1

      You should understand that good designers like good architects , try to encompass good design in everything they make. And what is good design ? it's an artifact projected in to the future, with the intention that the artifact Works, For every probable user. With a standard american keyboard you don't get to have greek or cyrillic characters, while with the design of the optimum you can have Every Language's character map available with a simple , more or less , keystroke and without having to deal with visual clutter on the keys.

      The enter key here seems out of place but I think that you'll never missfire another key in the process of trying to hit enter, considering the position and the size of the Enter key in this deisgn.

      Also do not forget that a keyboard like that can help a newbie learn the keystrokes to software he is learning or reimnd the master user an arcane keytroke he has forgotten... or help you change between OSes, or incorporate in your workflow a strange program like Blender for example.

      So the intended audience here is everyone else and not you. You should buy something else to fit your individual workflow , or desired effect of less keystrokes or less travelling of your fingers...

    21. Re:Thoughts on the "Enter" key... by SargeantLobes · · Score: 1
      Well first, you would be able to map the enter key to wherever you want

      Second they said in an interview linked above that they needed extra keys to be able to add all cyrillic characters.

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  25. It will be real! by Afecks · · Score: 1

    Yes I can finally replace my ethereal keyboard.

  26. If I spill my drink by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Will they keyboard remain operational with the occasional spill? I can imgine these displays to be very sensitive to such a thing.

    What about smoke, food, pubes, and other things that one might encounter in the average robust keyboard?

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    1. Re:If I spill my drink by Afecks · · Score: 1

      pubes? yech!

      But it sounds like you need a washable keyboard

    2. Re:If I spill my drink by Datasage · · Score: 1

      When my keyboards get full of crap, I ussually just toss them out and buy a new one for $10. The time it would take to clean is not worth it.

      If im going to spend a couple hundred dollars on a keyboard, I want to be able to hold up whatever gets in the keys and be able to be cleaned very easily.

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    3. Re:If I spill my drink by darkmayo · · Score: 1

      I dont know about you but if I had this keyboard I would have a washable keyboard cover so my "smoke and food encrusted pubes" wouldnt clog up the board.

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    4. Re:If I spill my drink by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 1

      I wasn't describing my keyboard personally. I don't smoke and am pass the stage of a puberal pornaddiction.
      The things I have came across fixing computers however >:O

      It was intented slightly humorous. Just imagine having kids around or it's not as odd to snack once in a while sitting in front of a PC, nor is drinking however.

      I just wondered wherever the keyboard and the pretty displays will en effect be durable. I'd hate to spend 100-200 Euro to a keyboard which entirely dies after spilling some water or break entirely after any sortof minor accident. I don't mind with a 10 Euro keyboard, I can replace it without feeling too bad about. (most of the time they're fine once you allow them to try)

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    5. Re:If I spill my drink by darkmayo · · Score: 1

      yea this would definately be a concern, unless the keyboard was sealed and waterproof I suspect you would have the same results when someone spills on a normal keyboard, cept in this case it would be more like a laptop keyboard.

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  27. Re:This keyboard will be great for mapping keys by Xibby · · Score: 1

    This keyboard will be great for mapping keys for games =)

    Games? Forget games! It looks like it will be great for a KVM user. I switch between a Windows machine, a Linux machine, and a Mac machine. It would be great if the layout would change between computers. ;)

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  28. spelling / editors by peculiarmethod · · Score: 1, Funny

    Domuarigato, spelling abotu!

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    1. Re:spelling / editors by paulius_g · · Score: 1

      Well, they say that mistakes are human... And I'm a human.

      I was pretty sure that I corrected all mistakes, but, oh well.

  29. Or a mini version by DeadVulcan · · Score: 1

    'Cuz I never use the numeric keypad. It's a giant waste of space for me, and I'm forced to put my mouse very far to the right because of it. I curse the numeric keypad. *shakes fist* Curse you, numeric keypad!

    And if you could put a keypad right on the main keyboard and have it display the numbers right there, then there is even less reason to have it! Mini! Mini!

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    1. Re:Or a mini version by Hawke666 · · Score: 1

      The problem is with the horrible angles that the main keyboard uses. Not good for a keypad. Other than that I agree.

    2. Re:Or a mini version by Linurati · · Score: 1

      Get a Happy Hacking keyboard (Yahoo store) or on Ebay.

      I used one for years until I bought a hard-wired Dvorak board, and then a FingerWorks TouchStream LP. I wish all keyboards used the Happy Hacking shortcuts.

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    3. Re:Or a mini version by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      I love the numeric keypad. It's too bad the damn thing has problems with PuTTY.

    4. Re:Or a mini version by Verteiron · · Score: 1

      I love the numeric keypad. It's too bad the damn thing has problems with PuTTY.

      You can fix this by twiddling the Keyboard settings in the PuTTY Terminal configuration.

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    5. Re:Or a mini version by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      I've tried that, but never quite got it working. Have a good reference?

    6. Re:Or a mini version by Verteiron · · Score: 1

      Check "Disable application keypad mode" under Terminal Features.
      Set Initial Keyboard state to "Normal" under Terminal Keyboard.
      Set the function keys and keypad sequences to "ESC[n~" under Terminal Keyboard.

      These 3 options get me "normal" numeric keypad function when remoting into a Linux machine, as well as using vim and the like. YMMV.

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    7. Re:Or a mini version by Urchlay · · Score: 1
      'Cuz I never use the numeric keypad. It's a giant waste of space for me, and I'm forced to put my mouse very far to the right because of it.

      You should train yourself to use the mouse left-handed. It's probably no worse than learning to use the mouse was in the first place... I can't say, because I was born mostly ambidextrous :)

      It looks like this thing is still in development.. I bet within a year or two, they'll be available with different options (no numpad, or with a trackpoint/clitmouse, or with a black case instead of the gaudy silvery-grey look). At least, if they're trying to appeal to "keyboard snobs", they'd better cater to our preferences/prejudices.

      What I want to know is: does this Optimus keyboard use buckling springs, like a real keyboard? That's the only way this keyboard snob would consider buying one...

    8. Re:Or a mini version by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

      Learning to mouse left-handed was fairly easy for me since window widgets have a large tolerance for that which is considered to be accurate input. Learning to Photoshop left-handed was somewhat more difficult, but doable within a few months.

      Also, not having to move my right hand from the right third of the keyboard (where most of the non-letter keys live) to use a mose pwns in almost every game and application.

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  30. Neat-o swell! by Balthisar · · Score: 1

    It's about time -- I've always wanted a keyboard like this. What I didn't expect, though, was color; that's a nifty little bonus. Additionally, the fact that I see Macintosh keys is fairly encouraging. Hopefully that means that there will be out of the box support for the Mac OS. Yeah, I know they said universal compatibility, but they also said "on a basic level."

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    1. Re:Neat-o swell! by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      Hopefully that means that there will be out of the box support for the Mac OS.

      They seem to be quite a responsive company. Hell, looks like they are using /. for market research! So, methinks you can sleep easy over mac support! They might even make double-sure, just because of your post!

  31. e-paper slow? by TCM · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just how slow is it? It's not like you'd be running animations on the keyboard, although that would increase the coolness factor.

    Most of the time, though, you would have a single update in seconds instead of several updates per second.

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    1. Re:e-paper slow? by rasty · · Score: 1

      I think that by saying there will be a "keyboard-saver" they actually mean to run animations...!

    2. Re:e-paper slow? by metachor · · Score: 3, Informative

      From the FAQ:

      "Keys will use animation when needed "

    3. Re:e-paper slow? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd want the keys to change when, for example, I press the SHIFT key as I'm typing to show the uppercase characters. The response rate would need to be faster than 100ms so it doesn't lag behind.

      The same for games - for example, your weapon select keys could update when you pick up a new weapon or you ran out of ammo. If it changes several seconds after the fact then it's not going to be worthwhile.

    4. Re:e-paper slow? by Dynedain · · Score: 1

      If you hit shift, caps-lock, ctrl, or any other modifier keys (which seems to be supported based on their imagery) then you don't have seconds to wait for the change.

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    5. Re:e-paper slow? by TCM · · Score: 1

      I wasn't necessarily implying that one update would take several seconds. I was thinking more like one update that takes maybe 0.5 seconds but occured not very often.

      While 2fps would be too low for animations, it would be enough for a character change during holding shift, wouldn't it?

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  32. Re:Does it matter? by botzi · · Score: 1

    300$? Get real. I can't imagine myself spending 3 figures on a keyboard, let alone 300 - 800. I'd expect a price in the 150-200 range and as far as casual user is concerned buying it will be throwing money away on another cool gadget. There certainly will be some benfits for professionals dealing with complex and/or new applications each month(although I still have my doubts...), but the benefit of this keyboard is well below the actual cost, IMO.

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  33. Duh by dazedNconfuzed · · Score: 1

    The use is plain: many applications make keys do something other than the immutable icons stamped onto normal keyboards. Instead of looking up key function mapping in a separate manual or help file, the function is just right there on the keys.

    Heck, most of the time the "A" key doesn't produce "A", it produces "a" ... how much more so a zillion other applications which do things other than what's immutably marked on the keys.

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    1. Re:Duh by ReverendLoki · · Score: 1

      I particularly liked the example they showed using Photoshop keymaps displayed - once acclimated, things like this can be a huge time saver for some of us. It will also be a great boon to those of us who need to occasionally type in a second or third language. I can generally muddle my way through Spanish characters on an American English keyboard, but every now and then we've had the desire to try and type in something way different, such as Hebrew. This will make that sort of task much easier.

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    2. Re:Duh by pegr · · Score: 1

      And you're only a couple of dead pixels from constantly typing "B" when you mean "D"... Sounds entirely prone to failure. But you could be the alpha-geek for at least a month...

    3. Re:Duh by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because we all know that D and B keys are like, in the exact same place, and that the font used will only have one pixel for the "bar"/"loop" of the B, and that there is a high dead pixel rate for low resolution OLED screens.

  34. That is one by confused+one · · Score: 1, Informative
    totally awsome, cool, Excellent keyboard. Let us know as soon as it's available. I want one.

    not quite the way I envisioned a similar concept once, but better, definitely better.

    1. Re:That is one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +3 Informative?

      So where is the information? Oh wow, kewl keyboard! I thought of that before, but this is way kewler! Woohoo! I gotta get me one of those.

      Come on mods. Use for fskcing skulls for once.

    2. Re:That is one by Linus+Torvaalds · · Score: 1

      not quite the way I envisioned a similar concept once, but better, definitely better.

      What are you, a PHB? What's wrong with saying:

      I had a similar idea once, but this is even better.

      "Envisioned a concept"? Wash your mouth out.

  35. Link to initial by Guardian+of+Terra · · Score: 1

    Can anyone link to initial slashdot article about Optimus? Thx. P.S. I'm from Russia too.

  36. FPS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long before we see posts bragging about the FPS of their enter keys.

  37. Shame comes pre-installed... by Deacon_Yermouf · · Score: 1

    ...because you think of all the awesome possibilities, then realize how excited you got over a keyboard...

  38. Not only that. by AltGrendel · · Score: 1
    I'd worry about dead pixles on the keys. And failure rates for keys, stuff like that.
    Seriously, the more complex a system, the more likely a chance of failure. The 101 keyboard is just one switch under one key, fairly easy to deal with.

    I like the idea though.

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    1. Re:Not only that. by digidave · · Score: 1

      It's clear that they're making it more complicated than necessary to achieve the same functional effect.

      I wonder why they wouldn't start by using cheap LCDs like l those used on Tiger handheld games (and the ones that come in Happy Meals). They could do that with only a small cost increase over a regular keyboard. You wouldn't get color, but add a backlight source and they'd be viewable in the dark and work just as well as color keys.

      Besides, failure rate on those simple LCDs is near zero. This is digital watch-level technology.

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    2. Re:Not only that. by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      My 94-key keyboard has seven fewer keys than yours, so it's clearly more reliable, and thus better. ;)

    3. Re:Not only that. by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1
      Some people on this site have no sence of logic. Which is ironic for a site like Slashdot.

      The screens are much smaller than a normal LCD, therefore the chance of failure for a screen is much lower. Also, since this device is made up muliple screens the entire keyboard does not need to be throwen away if one of the screens fail.

      Besides, they say this will most likely be OLED, which is more reliable than LDCs, IIRC.

  39. Re:Power Consumption - grime by saskboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not only power concerns, but the first thing I thought when I saw those keys is, "That's not going to clean up very well." And we thought grimy keys were noticible now, just wait until you actually have to see the lettering on them to be sure you're pressing the right thing...

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  40. They must be vi users... by DeadVulcan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Look at the size of the escape key! Yeah, baby.

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    1. Re:They must be vi users... by wanerious · · Score: 1

      ...but the CNTL key is not next to the "A", as God intended. Maybe this would be configurable.

    2. Re:They must be vi users... by Cumstien · · Score: 1

      I've always wanted a keyboard with a giant, red plunger style Esc button. I like to nail the Esc key to back out of windows, and when I'm backing out of screens in windows I like to hit Esc especially hard.

    3. Re:They must be vi users... by Dont_Shoot · · Score: 1

      Isn't "configurable" exactly what this Keyboard is about?

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  41. The only benefit of being a leftie... by Rhys · · Score: 1

    My mouse (trackball) sits nicely next to my keyboard on the left and "balances" the number pad on the right. It leaves everything sitting dead center on my monitor(s).

    Of course, I have to find a mouse/trackball that isn't handed. And a joystick that isn't handed. (which I'll set in the same position if it's a flightstick) And I have to remap the keys on every game because they expect you to use the left half of the keyboard, and with an ergonomic and a right hand to key with, that's not so useful.

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  42. Re:give me a break by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, when it is put into production, you can then complain that submission is a repeat of this submission.:)

  43. Screen technology on an input device by Albanach · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now I'll be shouting at folk not to leave their greasy fingerprints on my keyboard too!

  44. Somewhere... Some Day... by Ryuu · · Score: 1
    "Some day it will be split ('ergonomic')"
    "Sign me up! I'll be ordering one in 2006."
    Sign me up when it actually exists, they've migrated to ergonomic, and it costs less than $100. Until then, my $50 split keyboard will do just fine, and that was already more than I wanted to spend on a collection of buttons.
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  45. You are an idiot, hahahahahahahahahahahahaHA ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just RTFA! There is no need for different layouts, because the keys are _screens_ .

    1. Re:You are an idiot, hahahahahahahahahahahahaHA ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " I don't speak Sweedish Chef so I wasn't able to RTFA"
      It's clearly a joke AC.

  46. Comming soon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first visual keyboard virus. Imagine the keys changing around every couple of seconds. Or the keys all showing pr0n icons

  47. Just wait by AMD-lover · · Score: 0

    It's just a matter of time before somebody writes an applet that lets you use the keyboard as an extra screen. Do I hear: DS ported to PC?

  48. Having a Keyboard ScreenSaver... by theehunto · · Score: 1

    ^^^ ...will be all too sweet.

    1. Re:Having a Keyboard ScreenSaver... by Finuvir · · Score: 1

      Why would an LED need a screensaver?

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  49. Re:give me a break by paulius_g · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's not quite advertising. It's showing new technology.

    If OLED keyboards would be available everywhere, it wouldn't be on Slashdot.

  50. Apple... by avalys · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I bet Apple will snap this up, at least as an option on some of their models. Hell, it already looks like Apple designed it, the style is the same.

    Hopefully it will be wireless.

    Personally, I'd want one of these just for the cool factor. And the opportunity to finally try Dvorak.

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    1. Re:Apple... by Sayten241 · · Score: 1

      Unless it has a very large batter pack, it's going to need to be wired because powering all those OLEDs is going to require a fairly large amount of power. Even with a large battery pack, I'd be surprised if it lasted 8 hours with heavy use.

    2. Re:Apple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So THAT's why Americans are so fat? They expect a batter pack on their keyboards!

    3. Re:Apple... by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      How would it be wireless? Batteries would last about 2 seconds on that thing.

  51. Watch as... by eno2001 · · Score: 1

    ...Microsoft "innovates" this concept into their keyboard line.

    I think it's really smart of this company to make it platform independent. EVERYTHING should be that way to encourage competition.

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  52. I'll be a beta tester by xTown · · Score: 1

    Or rather, my wife will. She learned to type in the late 1970s on a manual typewriter, and she pounds the hell out of keyboards; she just never learned a lighter touch. It would be interesting to see how the OLEDs hold up to the punishment of several thousand words a day under her fingers.

    1. Re:I'll be a beta tester by KillerBob · · Score: 1

      On a related note.... I see people asking if it's going to be a clicky IBM-style keyboard. It'd be great if it's available like that, but I *hope* there's a soft-touch version available, too. I lose about 15wpm on my touch typing on an IBM keyboard because they require a harder touch to register a keypress.

      And I, for one, would actually have a reason to use it.... in my typing, I use German, French, English, and Japanese input. A japanese keyboard layout is a much more efficient way to type than using an IME, but it's impossible to get keyboards that have markings for all 4 of those languages.

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  53. Tech Support and Training Application by pastpolls · · Score: 1

    Allow tech support and training to modify the keys at any time.

    Imagine telling a person on the phone to press "these keys" and all the other keys go dark except those. You could get into some really neat applications like this.

    1. Re:Tech Support and Training Application by Infinityis · · Score: 1

      I agree, but why stop there? Conceptually, if they have the power to turn those three keys on and off, they might as well just (virtually) push those keys themselves.

      The big problem comes in with setting up permissions and such. Otherwise we'd already see similar solutions popping up.

      But still, it is a neat idea....

  54. If they break... by neonenergy · · Score: 0

    you got your own Uber Optimaz keyboard!

  55. 100+ Little Monitors by Socrates1024 · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't this make each 'key' a monitor in it's own right?

    The first hack to be made with the open source API will be Tetris, played on a single key (with the surrounding keys for control).

    I imagine there are other interesting uses of these... like having a stock ticker running accross F1-F12 or having little instruments for a flight simulator on the keyboard itself. Or a console driver that uses the keyboard, no need for a monitor at all in such situations.

    1. Re:100+ Little Monitors by Infinityis · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think a DDR finger version for the lazy person might be a better game.

      Heck, why stop at just those four pads used in the life-size game. We could use ALL the keys, and then it's also an educational touch-typing game! Of course, at it's basic level, DDR itself is "touch typing for the the feet", which makes me wonder why it caught on so well (aside from the exercise benefits). Does keeping score and doing it to music really count so much? If so, it might work to write a program for secreta^H^H^H^H^H^H^H administrative assistants that will play music and keep score of their typing. That'll give them something to talk about in the break room... :)

  56. As long as it's over $50 it will be niche by davidwr · · Score: 1

    "Cheaper than a good mobile phone" doesn't mean much, as "good" phones can be had from $free to $lots.

    Niche markets at over $100:
    High-end mixed-language public kiosks/Internet cafes.
    Artists, who use keyboard as part of a work of art.
    High-end gamers who want to look cool.
    Trade show vendors who want to look cool.
    Rich people with too much money and no sense of frugality.
    OEM with high-end gaming machines.

    Market at $50-100:
    Above, plus:
    Yuppie families.
    Teenagers who want to look cool.
    Public kiosks who can't afford $101 keyboards but can spend $50.
    OEM in $1000+ non-server machines, free-with-coupon with high-end multi-lingual and language-translating software.

    Market at $20-$50:
    Anyone who wants to look cool EXCEPT those who think that if it's under $50 it's no longer cool.
    Almost every public kiosk that uses more than one keyboard layout will have at least one of these.
    OEM in $500+ non-server machines, free-with-coupon with medium-end multi-lingual and language-translating software.

    Market at under $20:
    Anyone who wants one.

    This assumes it can run over a standard USB or PS/2 cable without an extra power supply, either "as is" or with a continously-recharging rechargable battery or capacitor to provide the power to change the whole layout instantly several times a second in bursts, such as when users hold down SHIFT-CTRL then release CTRL then release SHIFT. If it requires extra connectors, that will negatively affect customer acceptance.

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    1. Re:As long as it's over $50 it will be niche by KD5YPT · · Score: 1

      USB supplies 4~5V at maximum of 500mA, so the keyboard might be stretching it.

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  57. LCD keyswitches.. by khrtt · · Score: 1

    ..are nothing new. OLEDs are more appropriate for keyboard switches, since they don't need backlight and glass.

    1. Re:LCD keyswitches.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to take your session ID out of the URL next time

  58. Oh yeah, malware coders are having wet dreams by suitepotato · · Score: 1

    "Uh, IT support?"

    "Yo."

    "This is President Castor. You know, they guy who pays your check. We have a problem with these new keyboards."

    "Yeah, one of the secretaries downloaded some game application and it was loaded with a viral worm. It's killed three servers and remapped all the keyboards. We'll get up there and clear your system in a minute."

    "I was wondering why it was opening browser windows to tubgirl and goatse."

    Oh yeah, lots of fun. Let's not forget the adware slimeballs putting Viagra logos on keys...

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  59. Autodesk to invest the most? by RamboIII · · Score: 1

    This will be a good thing to replace digitizers, for those still using them.

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  60. Two extra keys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    asdfghjkl;'#[enter]

    Same as what i've got right now. Good old, standard UK keyboards. Maybe we've got bigger hands or something, but i seem to be able to type just fine without having my hands jump around my desk like a doped-up cricket.

    On top of that, the extra keys on the right side of the keyboard (arrow cluster and such like) are used (by me at least) in gaming and suchlike. Trying to use regular WASD bindings annoys the hell outta me, largely because the columns there are slanted.

    It's all good. ;)

  61. I can't wait for the Slashdot layout for it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With a keyboard like this, you could have a layout that had buttons that modded posts or generated posts automatically. Imagine handy keys like "+1 Funny", "-1 Troll", "Dupe!", "In Soviet Russia...", "Imagine a Beowulf Cluster...", or "Mock spelling or grammatical errors of the editors".

    1. Re:I can't wait for the Slashdot layout for it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And don't forget about the goatse button.

  62. Re:give me a break by cyrix · · Score: 1

    No, they are showing us something that's an evolutionary step in keyboards. Remember this line: "News for nerds, Stuff that matters." This is most definetely "news for nerds," and for quite a few people this is "stuff that matters." There are numerous people who could use something like this, gamers, programmers, video/photo editors. This is more of a heads up. There are articles on here all the time about theoretical scientific stuff, or theorys on the apple/intel merger, or new changes in apps/hardware that MIGHT happen, or the MIGHT not. Don't like it? Tough.

  63. First keyboard that looks exciting since forever.. by cfalcon · · Score: 1

    ... but the enter key not being in the predicted place will likely kill the deal. The extra doohickies on the right of the normal keyspace (numeric, etc.) I have no complaints with at all.

    I've wanted a keyboard like this since I was about fourteen, so I'll probably grab one at launch anyway, though. I just wish they wouldn't screw with the basics of typing, I hit three to seven machines in a day and don't need anything else different beyond the normal del/backspace caps lock/ctrl and dvorak/qwerty differences.

  64. Keyboard Animation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I, too, wonder about just how good the animation of the key displays would be, as well as just how much you will be able to program the keyboard. While it has few--if any--practical uses, being able to coordinate the animations of the individual keys to create a larger picture would be pretty damn cool.

  65. Wait and see. by Jeet81 · · Score: 1

    Someone will try to follow this and file a patent for a mouse with OLED buttons. Patents as dumb as they can get.

  66. Disadvantages of OLED technology by sEEKz · · Score: 5, Informative

    Curious to know what OLED technology is, i went over to Wikipedia and saw there where some disadvanteges with this technology:

    Quoted from Wikipedia:

    The biggest technical problem left to overcome now is lifetime. Red and green OLED elements already have life-times of well over 20,000 hours but blue OLED life-times lag significantly behind at 1,000 hours.

    According to Kodak, which is developing small molecule OLED, lifetime problems are not so significant for that type of OLED, mainly as a result of doping the base material of the OLEDs, which, they claim, has led to much better device performance both electrically and optically. Universal Display for example have produced a blue OLED that has a lifetime of 10,000 hours.

    There are still a number of problems to overcome though, and one of these is intrusion of water into displays which damages and destroys the organics, as well as outcoupling, which can result in the loss of much of the light in waveguided modes within the substrates.

    In May 2005 Cambridge Display Technology announced a blue OLED with a lifetime of over 100,000 hours. Commercial development of the technology is also hampered by intellectual property issues since even the basics of OLED technology is heavily patented by Kodak and other firms, requiring outside research teams to acquire a license.

    1. Re:Disadvantages of OLED technology by owlstead · · Score: 1

      They could start off with just green. Back to the old days of just black and green it is then :)

    2. Re:Disadvantages of OLED technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are also huge advantages.

      As compared to lcd:
      -Costs less to make
      -Uses less electricity
      -Has inherently triple the resolution (no RGB dots per pixel in OLED, you get one dot per pixel that can be any color)
      -Faster response time
      -Is much much thinner than LCD (no backlight): typically an OLED display itself is around the thickness of a quarter.
      -Brighter
      -Better contrast
      -Better viewing angle

      But yes, lifetime is a serious hurdle.

    3. Re:Disadvantages of OLED technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Commercial development of the technology is also hampered by intellectual property issues since even the basics of OLED technology is heavily patented by Kodak and other firms, requiring outside research teams to acquire a license.

      Weren't patents supposed to encourage innovation? But what I see here is a blatant attempt to monopolize a young and growing market. We must create an alternative to this awful patent system.

    4. Re:Disadvantages of OLED technology by asadodetira · · Score: 1

      ...requiring outside research teams to acquire a license.
      AFAIK for research you don't require a license. Only for commercialization. You can make a copy of any invention for research purposes.
      Am I right?

    5. Re:Disadvantages of OLED technology by messiah_b · · Score: 1

      Microsoft is probably happy that they are solving the blue OLED lifetime issues. Now they can add the blue screen of death to their keyboards.

  67. Typing FX by fusoricius · · Score: 1

    I think it'd be cool to have the keyboard draw ripples when typing like throwing peddles into a pond. Might make for some flashy coding sessions.

  68. spyware for keyboards by mcguyver · · Score: 1

    Just watch. It will happen. One day you'll be typing and look down at a viagra pill where your enter key used to be.

  69. power consumption? by Deitheres · · Score: 1

    I really don't think that wireless would work with this keyboard. What technology would be used? Bluetooth? BT is already battery hungry, and that's WITHOUT 100+ OLED keys drawing power in addition to the BT.

    As much as I'd love a wireless keyboard like this, I think you'd have to throw about 4 D batteries in there just to get any reasonable lifespan out of a set of batteries.

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  70. any key by the_mpls_guy · · Score: 0

    Sweet! Now I can have a 256 color "ANY KEY"

  71. From Russia, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    So... does the keystroke logger that's surreptitiously built into the unit automatically send all the captured text to Russian spy agencies, US spy agencies, or both simultaneously?

    When you give your credit card number to purchase the keyboard from the online vendor, how many times do you have to call your bank to have your credit card number change to get rid off all those pesky bogus $9.95 charges that you didn't make?

    And lastly, I presume it'll come with all the game key mappings and icons for Duke Nukem Forever, since it'll probably actually be released about the same time.

  72. Re:Does it matter? by HanClinto · · Score: 1
    I dunno' -- speaking as one who makes his bread and butter in front of a computer monitor, I'm quite willing to dish out money for quality products if it makes my work experience healthier / more productive / more comfortable. That's why I could justify spending $450 on an Aeron chair three years ago. It was hard to justify at the time that I got it, but after three years of use, I'm very glad I have a nice chair to sit in all day every day.

    I think I could justify $200+ for a good keyboard if I felt it made my work more productive, and if it was a long-term investment.

  73. this is not for me, i'd like much more this one by sathia · · Score: 0
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  74. Re:mouse/trackball on LHS by whyde · · Score: 1

    When putting the pointing device on the Left-side of the keyboard, you lose the easy utility of modifier keys (Ctrl/Alt) on some keyboards when doing modified mouse button chords. Think: Ctrl-Button2 in an xterm.

    I realize that some (full-size) keboards have redundant Ctrl/Alt/Windows keys on the right side, but that's not a guarantee. It does improve posture, since you're not sitting with your arms bent to the left all day long, and your wrist in a strange position to compensate.

    I blame the whole thing on IBM producing Typist/Secretarial keyboards instead of Engineer/Computer keyboards like on the PC/XT's original 83-key keyboard, when Ctrl was to the left ot he A key, where God intended it to be.

    The only place for Caps Lock on a modern keyboard is on the underside, in my opinion, to keep it out of harm's way. The ONLY reason Caps Lock was implemented ABOVE the left shift was because historially on old mechanical typewriters, it was a mechanical latching key, and it was simplest to implement directly above (and tied to) one of the shift keys. My mother's old Smith Corona typewriter has a latching Shift Lock key, and that only got used when typing up card catalog entries, or when making a long line of underscores, since it took oomph to hold down the shift key, and your pinky got tired after a few seconds.

  75. Holey Guacamole! by dextroz · · Score: 1
    The Russians are better than Les Americains!

    They actually listen to "their" people...

    I want my OLED keyboard yesterday.
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  76. Speed? by Sartak · · Score: 1

    Why would the speed of epaper matter? Unless the keys are going to be changing their image every few seconds, epaper should be plenty fast.

    1. Re:Speed? by KD5YPT · · Score: 1

      They want animations on the keyboard. Imagine allowing the E-Mail icon to do some animation when you got e-mail. Or an IM button that allow you to maximize and minimize IM boxes at your whim (and flashes, or something when you got new message). Etc...

      Let your imagination run while.

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  77. Re:I'll wait until they ship the first update call by PixelSlut · · Score: 1

    Too bad for you that the Transformers reference jokes were all done in the last /. article, so that post doesn't really deserve the "Funny" mod that it'll probably get anyway.

  78. I'd buy it by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

    But I'm also the dude with a watercool AMDX2, laptop, stereo, garmin gps, two mp3 players, etc, etc.... ;-)

    It would be fairly cool just to have it light up and all... though a horrible waste of power I'd say [though small by comparison].

    Tom

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    1. Re:I'd buy it by protohiro1 · · Score: 1

      You also seem to be the dude that is keeping the consumer economy running.

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  79. Re:give me a break by SparafucileMan · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    no, they're showing us a commercial website hawking things they have yet. they don't even know how they're going to make it. all they have is a shiny, photoshoped picture.

    great. wonderful. that's not news. it's hype.

    wake me up when they have a prototype. in the mean time, wanna check out my website? i need the advertising money.

  80. Hahaha.... by TooncesTheCat · · Score: 1

    You know their would be some sort of software thats pretty easy to use and probably vunerable. And knowing that this keyboard is probably mainly based for the Windows OS. You can bet your bottom dollar ads will show up....imagine teaching your grandma how to use a computer and she is peck typing...she looks down only to see every key on the keyboard has turned into Goatse and Tubgirl. : Nice concept though :)

  81. My idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cowboy Neal!

  82. Horrible ergonomics by Dzimas · · Score: 1

    Hang on, guys. The idea of an OLED keyboard is really cool, but the truth of the matter is that the square and totally flat keys shown on their prototype would feel like typing on a supermarket cash register. Compare that to the concave and textured keys you're (probably) used to. Unless your primary computer is a Sinclair ZX-81. So, to make it useful, you'd need a sculpted and textured keycap, which will result in a fuzzy and clouded image. Come to think of it, nearly everyone I know touch-types. The keys could be printed in Lithuanian, for all I care.

    1. Re:Horrible ergonomics by ziggy_zero · · Score: 1

      I don't think that concaving the keys slightly (like just the clear plastic on top of the OLED), and adding little bumps on the F and J keys would really distort the image.

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  83. MOD UP! by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

    Awesome soviet russia joke... and UNEXPECTED! :D

    My kind :) Two thumbs up!

    1. Re:MOD UP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "Awesome soviet russia joke"

      There is no such thing.

  84. an open-source keyboard by VolciMaster · · Score: 1
    I think they mean that the keyboard will have an open-source dev kit. There's been a lot of hype about the open-source graphics chip, but open-sourcing hardware doesn't really make sense. It's easy to open-source software because it doesn't really exist. There's no physical aspect to it, so replicating, modifying, and using it doesn't really incur any noticeable effort.

    Compare that to hardware, a physical item we can hold. Replicating a keyboard, GPU, car, etc is remarkably difficult. The assumption is that anyone can make changes to it if they want. While this works in the software realm, it doesn't carry over to hardware. I don't have a foundry in my basement (though I wouldn't put it past some /.ers) which I could use to pour my own engine. I don't have a chip fab in my garage to make my own chips, so even if I discovered problems, or wanted to make changes, I couldn't do it.

    The closest thing to open-source in hardware that I can think of are standardized buses, where 'anybody' can make a PCI slot, for example. I still can't do it because I don't injection-molding machines and a supply of gold contacts, but it's still possible.

    Unless Art Lebedev hands the schematics out to anybody who wants them (logitech, microsoft, belkin, etc), the keyboard isn't open-source.

  85. Tetris by bart416 · · Score: 1

    I am in for the tetris stuff :)

  86. Wrong display technology? by dmccarty · · Score: 1
    So instead of expensive, short-life OLEDs, why don't they use inexpensive, grayscale LCD or monochrome LED displays?

    The images are cool, but anyone who's worth their salt on a keyboard spends very little time looking at the individual keys. The idea that the keys can be transposed is much more important than using the fanciest display technology. (And then you wouldn't have to have a "key-saver"--what a foolish idea.)

    I'd rather pay $100 for a monochrome keyboard of the same type than see them come out with a $500 pie-in-the-sky version.

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  87. Finally! by Wescotte · · Score: 3, Funny

    We'll have the ability to provide people with an "Any" key!

    1. Re:Finally! by KD5YPT · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the keyboard could detect the prompt "Press any key to continue..." and replaces every key that matches it with the word Any.

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    2. Re:Finally! by N1ghtFalcon · · Score: 0

      No that'll just confuse them more. Instead of asking "where's the any key?" they'll be asking "which any key?"

      Oh the horror!

  88. Let's do the dirty work... by Arthur+B. · · Score: 1

    - Won't catch unless it is driven by the pr0n industry
    - Just imagine a beowfulf cluster of these !
    - In Soviet Russia, the keys strike you !

    Don't thank me

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  89. If you dont see it... by alienz · · Score: 1

    Those who dont see the innovation behind this idea are not seeing the possiblities. Imagine the OS being able to set the keyboard to the detected language for you, or having all of an application's functions appear/launch from the keys. Not to mention some of the other things you could do with apps that are running on the machine, such as keyboard layouts/schemes for games. Using a keyboard is by far faster than a mouse. There's a ton of great things that could be done with this kind of technology once it matures, in my opinion this is the future of keyboards.

  90. Contour Shuttle Pro does it... by switcha · · Score: 1
    My Shuttle Pro automatically switches function states dependant on the program I'm using. If I'm in Final Cut, the scroll wheel scrubs the timeline. If I switch to the Finder, it's set to turn the main volume up and down. If I'm in iTunes, it controls iTune's volume (and the keys I use to make In and Out points in FCP skip songs in iTunes.)

    All of this is easily customizable from the contol panel for the Shuttle Pro. You can specify program level buttons or bind a global key command to any button you want.

    I don't see why this would be any different with this keyboard. It's just a driver issue, right?

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    1. Re:Contour Shuttle Pro does it... by TPIRman · · Score: 1

      It's just a driver issue, right?

      Definitely. I wondered if the application icon labels on the key caps implied that the appropriate drivers wouldn't be written. The site's description is a little vague:

      Additional block of keys on the left is meant for switching between programs or modes

      I believe that another reply that said the keys are used to switch between apps (rather than when switching between apps) has the most plausible explanation.

  91. I disagree by TWX · · Score: 1

    "Yes, yes, I agree, it's very pretty, but how many times do you actually look at your keyboard? The whole point of keys is that they are under your fingers. This is a gimmic, with absolutely no use."

    I disagree. I have some applications that I use occasionally, but not often enough to where I immediately know all of the functions that I need to use. For awhile I used a Gateway 2000 Any Key 124 key macro-programmable keyboard, but when I needed to go USB I was unable to continue to use that keyboard. This appears to offer some programmability, and with the ability to map icons or text across keys it should be really easy to customize the layout appearance for those important applications that I need to occasionally use well, but don't use enough to know everything. I could spend a couple of days preparing layouts for each of these programs and then not have to navigate menus for functions from then on out.

    In addition to utility as mentioned above, it has a certain amount of cool factor as well as ease for typing in the darkness. It would be really cool to be able to use a blu-ish color like the blue LEDs in the case have, or to use different colors on the keyboard for different machines in a KVM. I could see this being really, really nice in many niche environments.

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    1. Re:I disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "I could spend a couple of days preparing layouts for each of these programs and then not have to navigate menus for functions from then on out."


      Equally, you could save yourself 300$ and spend a couple of minutes printing out the keylayouts for those applications, and keeping them in a little book next to your keyboard. If you did that, you know what you'd find? That you hardly ever look at it. The keys you use a lot you'll learn very quickly, the only ones you won't know are the ones you hardly ever use. You want to spend 300$ to make it very slightly easier (than paper) to remember the functions of keys you hardly ever use?


      The typing in the darkness thing is yet another reason why it's a bad idea. When I'm not using my computer, I don't want the keyboard lighting up the room with it's crazy glow, and I don't want to have to worry about developing cancer in my finger ends.

      Nope, the only reason for getting this keyboard (with the possibly valid exception of those niche markets like music) is because it looks good.

  92. But is it gonna be by humandj · · Score: 1

    a clicky keyboard. This sounds really cool. But my old ibm is still my favorite.

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  93. Students? by Lord+Vance · · Score: 1

    What about graphics design students? I know for those of us who use their keyboard to type and play games, it may seem somewhat useless. However, as a graphics design student, I find that most of my peers (myself included) never bother to learn all of the keyboard shortcuts/commands for such applications as photoshop/3dsmax/maya/flash/dreamweaver/lightwave/ XSI yes, the list goes on and on and is quite daunting - so most people just skip over this all together and use the menu systems to switch from tool to tool or create a quick square to edit. So for the general public this doesnt seem to usefull...but for students who want to cut down production time in ten different applications, it has major uses. just my $.02 - personally, if its out in 2006 I will be buying one (as long as its under $200 - over that will take serious consideration)

    1. Re:Students? by ashchap2 · · Score: 1

      i would be very surprised if it (or a similar product) cost less than £58 ($100) in the uk, since relatively basic keyboards come close to that price at the moment! i would be happy(ish) to pay up to £200, which would be 350 of your american dollars.

    2. Re:Students? by Lord+Vance · · Score: 1

      I would be happy to pay that much as well, but sadly as a student It would require a bit of effor to get that much for a keyboard (would really love to have one though)

  94. I remember my CS professor once said ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I remember one of my CS professors once said that if he was a king he would replace the MS Windows Key with a Lambda(the class was taught in Scheme). He also said that if he was a king a lot of people would die. I'm glad now he doesn't have to be a king to get his way.

    1. Re:I remember my CS professor once said ... by Infinityis · · Score: 1

      Your post seems to suggest this keyboard will kill it's users. Count me out.

  95. I was worried, but then I read their quote... by glindsey · · Score: 1

    "It will be real."

    Thank goodness. I'm glad we cleared that up.

  96. Why they're not using LCDs by joshdick · · Score: 1

    The people who've designed this want their product to be top-of-the-line.

    They're making an expensive product because they're after the high end of the market.

    That segment does exist. They're the people who buy technology when it first comes out at a ridiculous price.

    When the price of their parts goes down, so will the price of the keyboard, and then they might increase their marketshare significantly. Perhaps major computer manufacturers would begin bundling their keyboard with their systems.

    Until then, however, they're targetting people with a lot of money. If they didn't, insteading downgrading its sexiness as you suggested, their product would have no one who wants it. It wouldn't be good enough for the high end or cheap enough for the low end.

  97. Re:Unanswered Questions-use with a KVM? by morethanapapercert · · Score: 1

    My personal unanswered technical question regards using with multiple OS's at once.
    If the keyboard merely asks the OS for currently active windows and remaps accordingly, that's great, but what I would like to see is the keyboard *also* check to see which OS it is talking to as well.
    As described, the keyboard is intended to be used with multiple apps within a single OS. However, my most likely use would be a single app, or a limited number of apps on a multiple set of OS's.
    Having say the Windows key remap itself automatically to an Apple key when I flipped the KVM switch to control another box along with having all the other keys remap to the OS appropriate labels *without my having to hit a hotkey*.
    Also good would be doing the same when controlling different OS's within VMware or IBM's LPAR. Based on the description, it sounds like the VMware option will already be covered, depends on how they implement it.

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  98. look at the keyboard? by jus10 · · Score: 1

    I was always taught to not look at my hands when I type....so why would I need a light up keyboard?

  99. Vaporware? by SoundGuyNoise · · Score: 1
    Pretty and all, but will it work with by Phantom game console?

    But if it is real and available, and priced worth it, I'll talk someone else into buying it as a present.

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  100. Form over function. by badvictor · · Score: 1

    This keyboard looks very cool. Other than that, however, there's not much to it. I don't look at my keyboard, I type on it. I think this would be far more useful for a universal remote. It would be great to have physical keys that can display their current function and can be seen in the dark.

  101. Useless by ytm · · Score: 1

    How many of you actually look at the keyboard while using it?

    1. Re:Useless by Finuvir · · Score: 1

      I don't see the problem with looking at the keyboard. In every other field of work we look at what we're doing. Why not in typing? I mean, it's not as if I have to look at the screen to know what's on there. If I mistype something, I'll notice anyway.

      I usually switch frequently between keyboard and screen. I know where all the keys are so I don't need to search for them, but I find it uncomfortable to leave my fingers on the home row in their "correct" positions so I need to glance every now and then to find exactly where to move my fingers.

      On the other hand it's almost completely unnecessary to look at the screen when typing. My peripheral vision will pick up any unexpected motion, such as another application stealing focus, so I don't end up typing into the wrong (or no) widget. I look at the screen enough to be able to spot any mistakes that show up there, like the few typos that I don't notice as I make them.

      Either way, I still type far faster than I can think, either in English or in code, so it will never be an issue unless I start having to transcribe.

      Of course I don't look at the keyboard when playing games.

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  102. He what? by Stankatz · · Score: 1

    "It seems that Art Lebedev has reposnded..."

    Poor guy. That sounds painful.

  103. Optimus Keyboard by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 1

    A keyboard that transforms into a tractor semitrailer? Cool!

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  104. Great, if you actually LOOK at your keyboard by Ultronator · · Score: 1

    As cool as this is, I'd rather shell out the extra money for one of these. I rarely look at my keyboard.

  105. The only thing that could make this better... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would be the ability to take it apart and place the keys in any position. Especially, I'd like to put a few on the back of my mouse.

    Unfortunately, I can't think of a mechanism to make this work.

  106. Another Question Missing from the FAQ by McSpew · · Score: 1

    Q: What will the keyboard be called in the US when Radio Shack slaps you for using their "Optimus" trademark?

    1. Re:Another Question Missing from the FAQ by Stuart+Gibson · · Score: 1

      I would guess Ultra Magnus or possibly Rodimus Prime.

      Stuart

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    2. Re:Another Question Missing from the FAQ by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      Um I think you would be cool since RadioShack (without a space) would have no problems unless you tried to make AV equipment since 1 Its not really an actively sold name anymore 2 They are not that stupid now try and hit an active trademark and you will find out whne you get a letter with an return address like Corporate Offices Riverfront Campus World Headquarters 300 RadioShack Circle Fort Worth, TX 76102-1964

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  107. abotu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is abotu a new word?

  108. $20 for a decent phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A prepaid plan offered a decent phone with 60 days/40 minutes of talk time for $20. Sure, it wasn't top of the line, but it did what most phones 2-3 years ago did, plus work on today's networks.

  109. Googling killed my boner.... by TooncesTheCat · · Score: 1

    After reading up on this and being dazzle and amazed then I started thinking about it, who actually looks at their keys now, it would be nice for some niche stuff but the thing is...After researching the OLED technology the longest OLED life I've read about is 15000 hours....Thats just over a year...I dont want to buy a potentially 40-300 dollar keyboard for it to die on me in a year. Thats just not acceptable for any mainstream consumer...which is apparently where this thing is marketed. That and the cons of this device far outweigh its potential "application" Seriously what types of stuff can this thing be REALLY TRULY acceptable for. People say gaming...ok how so? It switches around your configs on what game you play? Guess what...I have something up my sleeve thats free and doesnt even require you to think about it...its called a autoexec.cfg or a config file....ohh wait...most games have GUI's in game now...This thing would really only be good for power users that truly are power users, Im talking video editors / CAD engineers and the like. Other than that this thing is a bunch of hype, cool hype yes...but profitable mainstream NO.

    1. Re:Googling killed my boner.... by Frostalicious · · Score: 1

      After researching the OLED technology the longest OLED life I've read about is 15000 hours....Thats just over a year...I dont want to buy a potentially 40-300 dollar keyboard for it to die on me in a year

      Well it is 1.7 years of constant use. But who is going to use it constantly? If you used it non-stop for work at 40 hours a week, that's over 7 years which could be quite practical for someone who likes this kind of thing.

    2. Re:Googling killed my boner.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My cell phone has an outside display that use an OLED screen. It's always on displaying the time and I've had it since Febuary of last year. The phone is always on (it's a cell phone, why wouldn't it be) and the screen seems to be just as bright as it ever was (it's hard to fall asleep with the phone at my bedside facing me because the screen is so bright.) And it's been through a lot too (getting lost outside for 3 days, extreme heat in the car in AZ, extreme cold in the car in Michigan.)

  110. In my day we used punch cards and rusty needles. by eadint · · Score: 1

    Who needs a keyboard you vi types are sooo week, touch typeing hey, i once had to use my blood drops to program a trs 80.

    Come on, all of the posters saying that this keyboard is useles, are useless people. only a moron would not be able to see the extreem value of this keyboard. i cant tell you how many times i have found myself refrencing a book for the speacial function keys of lightwave, or motion, or final cut pro, and flash. and i cant tell you how many times i have wished for this exact thing. if you are a programmer that only works in vi i can see why you may not think this is a usefull thing, but anybody who has to use multiple complex applications will see this as a godsend.

  111. Quake mode... by MattyDK23 · · Score: 1

    Quake mode looks cool...but can it detect when you've entered the console / chat mode; and if so, revert the keys back to normal letters for touch-typers who want to see what they're writing?

    Lots of variables like this can come into play...it looks like a cool keyboard, but unless there's a good software package that comes with it and allows you to customize the hell out of your mappings, it's not going to be that great.

  112. Re:In my day we used punch cards and rusty needles by TooncesTheCat · · Score: 1

    Sup I own a 1996 keyboard. Most of today's programs for anything whether it be video editing or Flash offer keyboard shortcuts in their GUI. People that made such said programs didnt spend countless hours refining a nice GUI thats simple to use and easy to navigate just for you to go out and buy a hyped potentially 400 dollard keyboard. Raped by shortcuts.

  113. I'll let you in on a little secret by apankrat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Then there are the phones that cost upwards of $250~$300

    These are NOT what is considered a 'good mobile
    phone' in Russia. Try from $500 and up. Way up.

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    1. Re:I'll let you in on a little secret by JoeBar · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia, the cell phones own you?

  114. Take it with a grain of salt by kuzb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While I hope everything they speak of makes it in to this package (i mean, damn, it's a sweet idea!), things here should be taken with a grain of salt.

    Why? Because their team so far only consists of concept designers, and has no engineers. So, it's very likely that what they say, and what is actually feasable in the end may differ greatly.

    Here's to hoping that my words are just paranoid ramblings :)

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  115. have they patented it? by asscroft · · Score: 1

    This is a case where the little guy would want protection from the big guys.

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    1. Re:have they patented it? by inotocracy · · Score: 1

      At the bottom of their page it clearly states "Patent Pending".

  116. shaddup by odigity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If there's one thing I hate worse than vaporware, it's hype. Show me, don't tell me.

    Quit your bitching. They didn't come to us, we linked to them, slashdotted their site, and posted tons of questions about them. They were cool enough to take the time to respond to them, and the answers were somewhat informative - in other words, not just marketing babble (not surprising, since they're inventors, not marketers).

    I like to know what might be coming down the pipe, even if it never materializes. *Especially* if it never materializes, because then at least they contributed to the human idea pool, which might inspire others to build the same or related products.

    Besides, its not like these guys don't have a track record of delivering.

    1. Re:shaddup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One small detail: they didn't contribute to any idea pool; someone had the same idea five years ago. He had no intention of building it, though!

      http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Configurable_20Keyc aps

    2. Re:shaddup by ricotest · · Score: 1

      Joke's on you, they are patenting the idea. So nobody can build the same thing (at least for free) if they don't go through with it.

      If they do end up producing "the iPod of keyboards", though, more power to them!

  117. things that you should look for... by serverleader · · Score: 1
    i bet that keyboard will make my hands hurt again...

    Each key could be programmed to produce any sequence
    : this can be done with the kinesis keyboard

    Some day it will be split ('ergonomic')
    :this is what the kinesis was build for

    think of Your hands future not how cool it looks...

    i have 2 of these and im not changing it for a flat one ever again http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/
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  118. Layouts by Illix · · Score: 1
    One thing I'm wondering is where the keyboard will get its layout data. The FAQ notes that the SDK will be freely available, but will you actually be able to create some sort of mediating plugin or will application programmers have to rewrite their apps to take advantage of this keyboard?

    Although it's awesome, I can't see it becoming more than a niche product for quite some time. So except for high-end applications like Photoshop or Final Cut whose users rely on extensive keyboard shortcuts or multilingual apps that switch alphabets, most developers probably won't feel a lot of pressure to integrate support.

  119. Uni-Leg by Widowwolf · · Score: 1

    I dont like the idea of the back uni-leg rather then the normal fold down legs..depending on if I am typing in my lap or on my desk , having the keyboard tilted really does make a difference..I am sure this is where they store a lot of electronics, but that could be really annoying at times..

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  120. Nothing wrong with digitisers by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1
    This will be a good thing to replace digitizers, for those still using them.
    Before I was a web developer, I was an Autocad draftsman. I loved it when I used a digitiser. After going back to a mouse it just never felt quite right, a digitiser is a lot more accurate than a mouse and it never sticks. Looking back to the tablet to pick out commands might look ackward but it's actually not much different from a dual screen setup where you'd have your tools on the second monitor. For single monitors it's great because the monitor's real estate can be almost exclusively used up by your design and no space wasted by toolbars.
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    1. Re:Nothing wrong with digitisers by RamboIII · · Score: 1

      But just think about the possibilities when combining the AutoLISP ability with this keyboard. Say bye bye to about 75% of keystrokes.

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  121. Cool! But I'll go for v2.0 by AceJohnny · · Score: 1

    I'm all for this awesome idea. However I probably won't be buying the first model.

    There has been an interview with the head of the design frim.

    - 1.0 syndrom
    - they want to use OLEDs. OLEDs are nice because they're luminous and small. I don't want my keyboard to be a christmas tree! More important, though, is the short life-span of OLEDs. Know what the 'O' means? Organic. And Organic deteriorates. Lifetimes right now is 2 years, IIRC
    - They are thinking of USB2 or Firewire but no bluetooth. Plus power cord, potentially. I want less clutter on my desk now, not more.
    - The large footprint. See above.
    - This is going to be a luxury keyboard, thus focusing on aesthetics. I prefer practical rather than the aesthetical.

    I'll meet the offspring of this keyboard in 2-3 years, when they shake the quirks out of it, and focus more on usability :)

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  122. USB Hub by dbug78 · · Score: 1

    please stick a few usb ports on it. i use a mac keyboard now because i wanted usb ports and didn't want a bunch of goofy function keys. i'd hate to have to go back to crawling under my desk to plug my usb memory stick into the back of my computer.

  123. Can anyone say... by kjkeefe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can anyone say whack-a-mole!?!

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    1. Re:Can anyone say... by Kent+Recal · · Score: 1

      Ha! I thought the same thing.

      You could also make a nice hang-man with the used letters disappearing.
      Possibilities for (useless) hacks seem endless.

      must..resist..urge..to..buy

    2. Re:Can anyone say... by Gondola · · Score: 1

      Using my amazing psychic powers, I predict that you WILL be able to resist the urge to buy, until at LEAST 2006.

  124. A little disappointed by JLSigman · · Score: 1

    With a name like Optimus, I was expecting a Transformer-type keyboard. ;-)

    Looks inredible, though... will definitely have to add this to my future new computer.

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    1. Re:A little disappointed by Down8 · · Score: 1

      Well, the keys do transform to meet the needs of the application.

      -bZj

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  125. Oblig. Bash by HTL2001 · · Score: 1

    #207373 +(8344)- [X]

    <anamexis> oh man
    <anamexis> I was opening a coke, right
    --> Beefpile (~mbeefpile@cloaked.wi.rr.com) has joined #themacmind
    <anamexis> and it exploded
    <anamexis> ALMOST all over my keyboard
    <anamexis> but I got it away just in time
    <-- Beefpile has quit (sick fuckers)
    <anamexis> :<

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  126. Pubes? by cheesy9999 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...only on slashdot...

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    1. Re:Pubes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      here's a clue: you're visiting the wrong websites...

  127. It's.... by TwoTailedFox · · Score: 0

    A Prime choice of product.

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  128. Special keyboards _are_ expensive by public+transport · · Score: 1

    For comparison, some other special keyboards have prices like, EZ-Reach $100, Kinesis Contour $240, DataHand (very original!) $500.

    Maybe this only shows that people are conservative when it comes to keyboards, though the Optimus may easily become mainstream. Well, it's just great! (Though, I'm not buying, since I won't give up the alignment of rows on my current EZ-Reach.)

  129. Feel? by adamjaskie · · Score: 1

    How does it FEEL? What kind of keyswitches does it have? Cheapo membrane, ALPS keyswitches? Buckling spring? Does it have nice, crisp key feel, with positive feedback on when you have actually pressed a key, or does it have squisy rubber domes under all of the keys? Do the keys travel a full distance, or are they short-throw scissor-switch keys like a laptop? Will the final version really be so... FLAT?

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  130. Humans do make mistakes... by lullabud · · Score: 1

    It's one thing to make typos in an IM, but it's another thing to make typos in a news article that thousands and thousands of people will be reading and even more, syndicating. Obviously things like correct facts and unbiased presentation of information is more important, and lack of them gives flamers more weight in their attacks than mere spelling mistakes, but incorrect spelling does hurt your rapport. Next time let your computer fix your mistakes for you; use the spell checker and have it learn words like "slashdotting" so future uses will be even more accurate.

  131. one word by the+quick+brown+fox · · Score: 1

    emacs

  132. Keyboard Short Cuts Become Common by fyoder · · Score: 1
    This could revolutionize how people use computers. Keyboard shortcuts need no longer be the province of power users, they could be right there on the keyboard, as, for example, in their photoshop screen shot.

    But how would this work and would it work across platforms? The faq says it would be OS neutral with the qualifier "at least it can work in some default state with any OS". That 'default' might be 'regular qwerty keyboard'. My concern is that it would be great for photoshop, but just a very expensive regular keyboard for the gimp.

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    1. Re:Keyboard Short Cuts Become Common by DaCool42 · · Score: 1

      They say it will have an open source SDK, so it should be easy to add to support for it to the gimp.

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  133. Annamations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will the keyboard include easter egg animations of Anna Ponomaryova? ...I'd buy it, then!

  134. Random thoughts.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For a prank, blank all the keys on the keyboard, then randomly display "Any" on a key. Move it to a different key about every second or so. The user must press the "Any" key to continue.

    Does this mean we'll have to write a screen saver for the keyboard?

    If you think adware is bad enough now, just wait until someone figures out how to reprogram your keyboard remotely.... Every key you press brings up a different ad....

    Bob

  135. whac-a-key! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean I'll be able to play Whac-a-Mole with/on my keyboard?? Awesome!

  136. Mightier by milimetric · · Score: 1

    Does it work man? I've spent a pretty penny on devices such as this and if your product works, I'll buy a Dozen.

    No but seriously, I'd totally outfit my entire house with all Optimus keyboards, even if they are the most expensive keyboards on the market... it's just too cool.

  137. SCTFP!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They've also included some common answers abotu Russia and...

  138. Re:What would be really dumbass... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think it would be incredibly dumbass if, when you clicked on the slashdot summary, the lowermind twinks ignored the actual article, contextually significant comments and other important facts posted by other folks, etc.

    Also, when you blow smoke, the word 'dumb' appears on the left-hand, 'ass' on the right-hand, etc.

  139. 2006, Yeah right... by bosko0 · · Score: 1

    I am looking forward to playing DNF on this keyboard.

  140. Iconized customized keys by phorm · · Score: 1

    Mind you, you'd either have to create your own icon sets or have games/etc that support it...

    But how about games or programs which redefine keys. How about games that do it on-the-fly (for example, when you enter a chopper your keyboard changes to reflect the mapped helicopter keys).

    Programs that use tons of bound key combos could make use of this too. For example when you hold ALT it could then change the keys to show what the ALT+key combos do, for the uncommonly-used ones that aren't easily memorized. I'm no touch-typist, but when it comes to special keymappings I don't really memorize them all.

  141. Antioptimus keyboard by xPsi · · Score: 1

    While the idea and look of the Optimus keyboard seems pretty geek-o-riffic (and I'm guessing it looks pretty attractive while humming along), how often do people look at the keyboard while typing anyway? Do you seriously need to be reminded that the shift key makes the letters CAPS? Also, at least for me, frequently used application-dependent function keys and other special character keys etc. are usually looked up and memorized early on in the learning curve of an application anyway. Perhaps I'm alone here, but I might prefer the rather elegant "anti-Optimus" Das Keyboard instead.

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  142. Ergonomics by webbroberts · · Score: 1

    My wrists hurt just from looking at that keyboard.

  143. the display is only one aspect of a keyboard by Eric604 · · Score: 1

    They should also make sure that:
    - keys don't make annoying loud click noises
    - keys are not too unsensitive or too soft so you won't break a finger to make it register a keypress.
    (some keyboards are really horrible at this but most are ok)
    - For gamers key rollover is important
    - For gamers keysizes are important (The small cursor keys on MS split keyboard is a good example of what not to do)
    - Split keyboard is desired.
    - Detachable numpad is desired to reduce distance to mouse.

  144. But what's the technology inside the device? by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

    There are several kinds of keyboards . Sadly, very few companies make mechanical switch keyboards now. Too expensive? Fuck, no, those things are great for fast typing and work flawlessly for decades!

    Since the Optimus will be rather expensive no matter what... and no one wants to waste teh big bucks in something that will be ruined in two or three years of serious use... whoever makes that keyboard better make it real good - that is, to hell with those damned mushy buttons! Otherwise, serious typists should stick to Matias and Unicomp .

  145. Dimpled. by RancidMilk · · Score: 1

    My spacebar at home is used so much, it is actually dimpled where my thumb hits it. With this in my mind, I wonder how long it takes for the screens to get... ummm.... broken. Also, what would the pixel replacement policy be? I think the going rate of computers is like 5-10 or something like that.

  146. There's a reason this hasn't been done. by tyroney · · Score: 1

    I don't know specifically what that reason is, (IANAKM,) but I'd imagine something about hooking up around a hundred small screens that move independently and quite often at significant speeds with relatively little resistance yet remaining connected and running might have something to do with it.

    Or maybe I'm just too pessimistic.

    1. Re:There's a reason this hasn't been done. by MerlinTheWizard · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Plus, given the actual cost of OLED displays, this just isn't realistic. The keyboard would cost more than the computer it's attached to...

  147. Interesting... by HungSoLow · · Score: 1

    There's more than meets the eye with this optimus keyboard

  148. Maxxyz lighting console by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Maxxyz has led keys on it, but they are crummy fisher price style things. However, the idea of LEDs under keys has been done successfully before in a professional system.

  149. Patent pending.... by owlstead · · Score: 1

    What? Displaying a different icon on a key if you press another can be patented? I was drawing my own special keyboard (a hybrid oclave/ergonomic keyboard) which included this idea already. I noted that there were too many icons to be placed on one key, and making it display another solved this problem nicely, making it easier for first time users to get involved with the keyboard.

    And now some nitwit is patenting the rather obvious idea?

    Seems that they do not understand that toggle keys are the way to go though. Why need a seperate numeric keypad if you can already reprogram the other keys...

    Oh shit, now they'll be patenting that too. Well I WAS FIRST this time :)

    Seriously though, this kind of patenting has got to stop. It should be difficult enough to create the keyboard, let them AND the other interested parties have a go at that instead of patenting every obvious idea.

    1. Re:Patent pending.... by Bruha · · Score: 1

      Actually the patentable idea would for the keyboard to morph to fit the application that has focus.

      I think Apple would love this keyboard.

    2. Re:Patent pending.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had the idea back in 88. We searched both the US and the European patent databases. No prior art was found. But - the research institute I worked for did not want to proceed with the idea for an all-in-remote control or the LED-in-key keyboard.

      I've put up some original drawings at

      http://www.halvorsen.org/computers/hardware/periph erals/myledremoteandkeyboard88

    3. Re:Patent pending.... by owlstead · · Score: 1

      Pretty cool, if this is not prior art, then I don't know what is :)

  150. Re:Unanswered Questions-use with a KVM? by VoidWraith · · Score: 1

    It is most likely you would need to use USB for that... and other than a quite significant lag I would expect it to work.

  151. wheres the any key? by cacoe · · Score: 1

    oh... there...

  152. Deck keyboard by 5n3ak3rp1mp · · Score: 1

    I second the priority about investing in a good keyboard. After killing 2 Apple keyboards in 1 year (it was just a little beer! damn...), I recently requested an ice blue Deck keyboard for my birthday, and got it. (Yes, I am a Mac gamer. The few, the proud...) Pretty badass, and rugged as heck. Check the specs on the website. I don't believe it's a buckling-spring-type, but it feels right/smooth/solid to me, and that's enough.

    Only issue (from a Mac/OS X perspective) is that the command key is essentially the top-right key, unless you remap it to the control or alt key, but that's also problematic (because then the control or alt/option key will be at the top right...). No matter, because it glows blue, and I like pretty colors ;) /damn mac users

    1. Re:Deck keyboard by Kent+Recal · · Score: 1

      If anyone cares, here's a (good!) review.

  153. Can I use it with Linux? by WhiteWolf666 · · Score: 1

    That's my question---

    Will I be able to use it with Linux? Will there be enough information to write an opensource driver for it?

    Or will I be stuck with a Windows-only closed source driver?

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    1. Re:Can I use it with Linux? by Kickasso · · Score: 1

      RTFA, willja?

  154. In Communist Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Communist Russia, keyboards type on YOU!

  155. Waterproof by b96miata · · Score: 1

    I'd only buy this if it was water(by which I mean spill-) proof. My keyboard tray at home is below my desk and I go through more keyboards than I'd like to admit. For a few hundred bucks they can engineer a gasket in there if they want me to buy it.

  156. Very Likely Wrong... but? by Jonsey · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't this be much easier to implement if the keys were backlit by more conventional methods, and the keys just contained normal black/white LCD elements in a "tight" (for LCDs) grid? The keys could be a frosted white plastic look, the lighting with white LEDs or CCFLs, and the keytops all controlled cheap LCDs... heck, the leads for each LCD could be sticking up off the back of the key part of the way, you could get decent density that way I think. Does this make sense to anyone other than me? I mean, the keyboard would still need a controller chip in it, to update the values of the LCD elements, or else this thing would have a bundle-o-cable (tm) coming out of the back, but, I really think this could be done for far less than $300+ and would provide a good functionality, even if less-cool and only monochrome. Comments?

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  157. Oblig. Monty Python by enginuitor · · Score: 1
    "Industrial designers are like Architects: they design something idiotic, then let an Engineer figure out how to make it work in a useful way."

    Obligatory Monty Python quote...
    MR. WIGGIN: Good morning, gentlemen. Uh, this is a twelve-storey block combining classical neo-Georgian features with all the advantages of modern design. Uhh, the tenants arrive in the entrance hall here, are carried along the corridor on a conveyor belt in extreme comfort and past murals depicting Mediterranean scenes, towards the rotating knives. The last twenty feet of the corridor are heavily soundproofed. The blood pours down these chutes and the mangled flesh slurps into these large contai--

    CITY GENT #1: Excuse me.

    MR. WIGGIN: Hmm?

    CITY GENT #1: Uh, did you say 'knives'?
  158. Lefties could have a huge benefit by Jafa · · Score: 1

    I'm right handed, and notice that all these mice, trackballs, and other pointing devices are made more for righties. Why? Why take your dominate hand and use it to simply move a pointer, and leave your weaker hand on a complicated keyboard?

    Since the beginning I've used mice and touchpads and other pointers with my left hand. Then my right hand can stay on the keyboard and use that as needed.

    After mentioning that to people who inevitably ask if I'm left handed, they end up switching also.

    J

  159. worth the cost? by kidtux1 · · Score: 1

    I don't think it's worth the cost to have a few extra buttons on a keyboard. 200~300 dollars is WAY to much for a keyboard!

    1. Re:worth the cost? by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      "I don't think it's worth the cost to have a few extra buttons on a keyboard."

      Few extra buttons? You do realize the "cool thing" about this keyboard is that it has little graphics displays on the keytops, right?

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    2. Re:worth the cost? by kidtux1 · · Score: 1

      Yes I do know that, and that the graphics can change. Don't get me wrong I thnk the keyboard is VERY cool, but I'm not going to pay that much money for a a cool keyboard with a few extra buttons!

    3. Re:worth the cost? by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      Oh I agree fully. My boss actually sent me a link to this thing, my response was the standard "take my 1988 Model M from my cold dead fingers" line.

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  160. Worth it? by kidtux1 · · Score: 1

    I don't think $200~300 is worth it for a keyboard with a few extra buttons!

  161. Not coffee proof.. by flibuste · · Score: 1

    Although beautiful and much desirable, I wonder about the longevity of this keyboard. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if I was not such a big coffee drinker...and didnt have the usual habit to spill 10% of it (roughly) on my keyboard.

    1. Re:Not coffee proof.. by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      >I wonder about the longevity of this keyboard.

      I've got an IBM Model M that's seen daily abuse since 1988. Gave it a bath recently. It's like new.

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  162. Where's the Megatron keyboard? by gamer4Life · · Score: 1

    I can't wait until it comes out. It can increase or decrease it's size based on how large your hands are.

  163. Yes (Re:Can I use it with Linux?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the site at http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/answer s/

    "It will be OS-independent (at least it can work in some default state with any OS)"

    and

    "It will be an open-source keyboard, SDK will be available"

    Next time you can just read the article and the site, assuming you can get to it. ;^)

  164. Power user's wet dream by Boss+Sauce · · Score: 1

    I use some silly mixes of off-the-shelf and proprietary 2D and 3D graphics tools-- modal functionality is the name of the game. Maya and Houdini succeed because they can be modified to be the tool the artist needs at the time, complete with custom tool bars and keyboard and mouse mappings. Icon- and text-labeled buttons, whether real of virtual, just save time. This keyboard will easily be worth $500-$800 if the software interface is flexible enough to do what everybody's thinking.

  165. The one question they DIDN'T answer...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What does the keyboard do to us in Soviet Russia?

  166. Commercial availability by Vadim+Makarov · · Score: 1
    If this innovatively-designed product follows the other innovatively-designed products previously announced by this studio (yes I'm watching them), then the keyboard will be available in two years, direct order from their Moscow office only, at the cost of $3000. No mass manufactirer will care to produce them.

    Good luck to break the rule, Art Lebedev :)

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  167. Fellowship of the keyboard by icemann476 · · Score: 1

    One keyboard to rule them all!

  168. Did they say? by Mad+Ogre · · Score: 1

    "In Russia, the keyboards stroke YOU!" Just wondering.

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  169. Licensed Keyboard? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    I wonder if you'd end up having to license your downloaded customized keyboard layout. Then if you don't make your license payment your keyboard goes blank. Hope you remembered that key layout!

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  170. Re:This keyboard will be great for mapping keys by Afrosheen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now that you mention Macs, I can imagine Apple pulling an OEM coup de gras with something like this. Their keyboard is very similar to this one, and to have pictures on the keys? Ownage.

    All it needs is Bluetooth and Apple can once again reap the benefits of premium, sexy hardware.

  171. Re:This keyboard will be great for mapping keys by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

    I was just thinking something the same and then I saw this.

    I also get the feeling that Apple would go for some sexy sweeping colours on boot, maybe have the keyboard pulse gently to music playing in iTunes...

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  172. Gateway Anykey ... by TheGavster · · Score: 1

    If you don't need the pretty pictures on the keys (ie, you know how to type ...), the Anykey keyboard has had remappable and macro-programmable keys for years (mine says made in November 1991 on the back). You even get 12 extra function keys down the left hand side (where these guy's also put a block of keys). Best part: they eBay for like $5.

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  173. Does it click? by Mongo222 · · Score: 1

    Does it use collapsing spring key click technology the like original IBM Model M? If not I'll keep my trusty old current keyboard. I like the tactile feedback and the knowledge that in case of terrorist attack I can beat them to death with it. Then again, I may be getting old; I have an ASR-33 teletype in my basement.

  174. Changes I'd like to see on the standard keyboard by Fordiman · · Score: 1

    1) the F9-F12 buttons replaced with icon, _, [], and X (System icon, Minimize, max/restore, close). F9-F12 would be accessed by holding the "Windows" key. 2) I would like an eraserhead mouse in my keyboard, whether or not I already have a mouse. Head should be at the Enter-Shift-quote interface, while the left and right mouse click buttons should be below the spacebar/right-alt edge. 3) The "Context" and the right "Window" keys replaced with "Next-app" and "Prev-app" keys. With shift depressed, they should switch desktops (if available). Yes, I already know I can do all of this with any good macro program in windows, or by reconfiguring KDE/Gnome in linux. But I'm thinking of possibilities for the Optimus.

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  175. Re:This keyboard will be great for mapping keys by Afrosheen · · Score: 1

    I just thought of another use for this thing. Typing tutor or piano tutor, that lights the keys in sequence to teach you how to play. For the iTunes thing, I could see it running visualizations that are spanned across the keys (like Goom or Iris3d).

  176. HAHA by LoneElf · · Score: 1

    "OH SH*T! My keyboard just froze"

  177. The Vaporware Formula. by torpor · · Score: 1

    Okay, I may admittedly be biased in the debate about custom keyboard hardware but I feel that Optimus is suffering from immediate "don't announce it until you're shipping it"-itis.

    As in, they shouldn't have jinxed the hardware by announcing something before they actually were able to sell to customers.

    Sure, these things ramp up. Sure, there's a risk of not knowing if you've got customers. Sure, you don't yet have the volume numbers you need to negotiate bulk-LCD purchases in quantities larger than a few hundred, or thousand, or tens-of-thousand, or million..

    But heck. Its a great idea we've all had: LCD's in the keycaps. If only it weren't so darned cost-prohibitive to actually deliver the promise.

    Turfing for pre-customers == Computer Hardware Business No No, 101. you don't have to have been a 70's child to have noticed it in the 80's, either, I think ..

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  178. In reality the basic idea is patented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes the idea was patented in the days of the ZX, in that days a keyboard whith LCD display in the keys was sold, the only reference that I have to that keyboard is a scan of the publicity in a spanish magazine and is in spanish of course, and is this: http://microhobby.speccy.cz/zx/zx34/34-22.JPG

  179. My big question: by hairykrishna · · Score: 1
    What happens if I spill my coffee into it?

    Seriously - if it's expensive enough to worry me and fragile enough not to survive that's a big no-no.

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  180. I like the idea but.... by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

    How long will it last? Will it come with a 10 year warrantee? What if a key breaks? Can I buy replacement screen keys for an affordable price? How much does it weight? I want a light keyboard since it usually is on my lap. Is the key rebound right? Some keyboards just to ratatatta correctly. Are the F and J key bumped for touch typists? While it definetely has a WOW factor and will probably sell a good number on release... why would I want one of these over say... a sharpie and silver ink. Or one of the already existing program specific covers or keyboards. I have used an AVID keyboard before. All of the keys were color coded and labeled. Most importantly... Who ACTUALLY ever looks at their keyboard while it's in use? Are we still hunting and pecking in quake? Like I said it's cool, but why not release an econo version where the only addition is those fancy little Taskbar buttons on the left are added and the keys that will essentially always be QWERTY or AOEUI.

  181. Re:Prime post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought it was "transformers... robots in the sky"..... or was it ... "transformers ... robots in disguise" ??

  182. I will wait for the ergonomic version ... by willtsmith · · Score: 1


    Some of us have gotten too used to keyboards that fit our hands instead of the other way around.

    But I can see all the graphics art and video-agraphers going ga-ga for this thing.

    I can also see versions of this released for cash registers where "pictures of food" are more desirable than letters and numbers. A cash register terminal could be made very dynamic and hence easier to train cashiers.

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  183. Alternative idea by Neoncow · · Score: 1

    Maybe if you make the letters disappear for 5 seconds after you press it, it will force people to try to rememeber where previously pressed keys are. This allows the learner to see the key for the first time. If they hunt and peck faster, the will start having to remember where the keys are.

  184. Parent speaks the truth. by Neoncow · · Score: 1

    The parent post is absolutely correct. It's called qwerty.

  185. Killler by inKubus · · Score: 1

    It's sort of like an inside-out touch screen. The key is the screen instead of the screen the key.

    I have to admit that when I saw this, I saw the next big thing since the color inkjet for computing.

    We could sit here for hours and not come up with all the clever uses for this thing... Are they a public company, becuase I'd like to get some stock before they license this thing to Apple ;)

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  186. I don't look! by nitelifer · · Score: 1

    Nice, but since I don't look to type, this not a requirement for myself. Does look cool though.

    I'll stay with my dated split keyboard.

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  187. An amazing invention! by jbbrwcky · · Score: 1

    That is awesome! Give that man a prize!

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  188. Re:This keyboard will be great for mapping keys by GraemeDonaldson · · Score: 1

    I hope the folks behind Optimus patent this idea. This is the kind of thing patents were meant for.

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  189. CarPc People like it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems the carpc crowd are also interested in this one. May be quite cool in your car, but not safe for driving lol http://www.carpcspecialist.com/2005/07/18/optimus- keyboard-the-best-keyboard-ever/

  190. Patent That Before Apple Steals It Too! by lifespan · · Score: 0

    They'd better hurry up and patent that one before Apples steals it.... again...

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  191. Prior Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would *love* to have one of these and would happily shell out up to $300 for it *if* it were to be reliable.

    There is prior *shipping* art:

    http://www.martin.com/product/product.asp?product= maxxyz

    Stage lighting control console with LCD legending in the buttons.

    One manufacturer selling soft-legending buttons:
    http://www.epn-online.com/page/14212/lcd-display-p ushbutton-switch-with-mono-or-multi-colour-functio nality.html

    Given that the Martin console is basically a custom control surface for a PC, the keyboard concept doesn't seem patent-worthy as a distinct idea.

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