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Another Star Wars Prequel?
boarder8925 writes "George Lucas said he was finished with the Star Wars movies, but it seems George Lucas has an idea for another add-on to the Star Wars movie series: a prequel to The Phantom Menace. The story would follow the Jedi regaining control of the universe from the many Dark Lords some 88 years before Anakin Skywalker ever graced the universe. Yoda, who, according to Lucas, was instrumental in the effort, would apparently have a headlining role. However, Lucas, now age 60, says he won't be captaining such a ship if it ever happens."
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"However, Lucas, now age 60, says he won't be captaining such a ship if it ever happens."
Wow, the movie after Revenge of the Sith really is a new hope.
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Backwards, this Jedi works.
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No more SW prequels please! Would be interested however in seeing some subordinate stories like where do Han Solo and Chewbacca meetup between Episode III and IV and perhaps a story following Boba Fett's bounty hunter quests. THere are lots of good stories that could work within the characters Lucas has already presented but please, George, stop going back in time.
One would have thought that the Star Trek franchise was proof of how difficult that is to pull off.
However, Lucas, now age 60, says he won't be captaining such a ship if it ever happens.
Thank the Force.
The Star Wars franchise can only be rescued by Lucas' continued meddling in the storyline.
After Return of the Jedi, I didn't think there was a hope for the Trilogy, but now, with the latest three movies delivered, I realize that my feelings back then about the original movies were truly happy and optimistic.
Because Lucas was able to show me how far down the toilet he was willing to let the franchise go, I appreciate the original trilogy all the more. Even his remasters of the original three make me wax nostalgic for my childhood.
He's already got books, comics and computer games spread throughout his history, written by other people and controlled by him (so that they pretty much all fit together, with a few exceptions). There's no reason not to have films too.
But him not writing/directing them is a good thing - so long as they get someone in who _can_.
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I wouldn't mind a star wars with a lot less of the original characters, lets say none of them.
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Just shoehorn The Dark Crystal into Star Wars mythology. We've already got muppets, and a young hero on a quest. We just need a special edition with a couple of lightsaber fights.
That's the sound of this cashcow being milked dry!
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So will the next move to come out be Episode -II?
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To the point where voyager I passed the termination shock.....
he won't be captaining such a ship if it ever happens
I misread that as captaining such shit at first. And then I thought, maybe I'm not misreading it.
I mean, really, what will Lucas pull out of his ass next?
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I'd like to see how they discover midi-chlorians and the origins of the Jedi. Just thinking. If not, I've seen all the Star Wars I need for one life time.
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is it just me or am I the only one who enjoys the star wars universe while hating every single movie in the series (i like the video games thats all i really care about (kotor 1 and 2, jedi knight series)? These movies are so milking the cash cow that they need a whole new setting and characters such as in knights of the old republic era
We'll see what the hell Yoda is. My money's on "bald Ewok".
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Episodes I through III were dealing in the too recent past directly dealing with known characters who many older fans have had 20 years to come up with their own theories about.
Now a pre-Phantom-Menace film wouldn't have quite so much "known" events to deal with. It would be somewhat harder to really jar with people's own perceptions of what could have happened. Plus if Lucas did step back and leave such a prequel to someone else it might well end up better than the current prequels. Not many people can create good stories in on their own - and even those who do don't (usually) do films on their own.
Editors, screenwriters, directors. As long as they're not all at odds then they stand a better chance of coming up with a great finished product.
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I was thinking a while ago: Having only recently released ep. IV-VI on DVD, how will he convince anybody to buy the collection of all six? (I'm sure nobody doubts such a collection is on the way)
Possible answer: Have the ORIGINAL versions of IV-VI plus the new I-III films, and you can GAURANTEE that SW fans everywhere will buy the six-pack: New fans for the new films, and old fans for the original old ones.
It would be a brilliant marketing scheme: Say "The originals will never be sold" so everybody buys the remastered versions, then release the originals so everybody will buy them as well.
Or am I too cynical?
So.. it has come to this
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I can only think of my first comment when ROTS came out: "Back to the start, we are. Wasted our time, we did"...
Many people have many ideas set in the Star Wars universe. The problem might be various copyrights and such - but even if these would not be an obstacle someone would have to act as a keeper of the storyline to differentiate the canon from the rest.
This particular idea is not in line with what is known now. Sith, as far as it was revealed in the episodes already made, has no organizational structure and apparently consists always of one master and one apprentice. Where would many Sith lords come from?
Of course, it is not the first time Lucas changes his mind about his universe. Seeing episode IV after the III shows clearly that back then Lucas had no idea whatsoever of his characters past. Ben Kenobi doesn't recognize rather unique droids he encountered already in the past, Vader seems to be subordinate of Tarkin, numerous C3PO's in various colors walk around etc. etc.
I think a much more interesting idea would be to create counter-SW series. Consider for a moment that Jedi are evil and Sith is good AND all those movies are propaganda inspired by a Jedi runaway. There were no mass murders. There were no shady dealings. Vader is not crippled, he just wears this outfit in combat situations. Sidious is not deformed or evil, he's just a good administrator. Etc. Don't you think turning it upside down and creating a story along this lines, debunking so to speak "Jedi myths" could produce a thrilling - and refreshing - story?
I'm interested in backstory as the next guy, but I would like it kept to novels and comic books.
I enjoyed I & II even though they weren't great. III was great. But more movies outside of the Anakin story arch?
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Good title/Bad title, either way better than attack of the cloans.
I think the choice of director is clear. Quentin Tarentino, come on it would be great!
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Now i know there has been alot of prequal hype of late and sequels are very unhip. ... Perhaps a movie where you don't know whats going to hapen(unless you read the books) would be a little more exciting than another bleeding prequal , though yoda doing some cool jedi tricks would be cool
for the love of god though there are some real gems in the books/comics set after the origional trillogy , Dark empire for example , the reformation of the jedis and so on
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"Maybe as good as The Empire Strikes Back".
So, better than Attack of the Clones {obviously} and The Phantom Menace, but not quite as good as the original Star Wars or Return of the Jedi?
I'm not holding my breath, I've drier lentils to soak.
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The problem with constantly writing prequels is that they're not really interesting. You know what's going to happen, and some measure of whether or not a movie is good is how easily you can anticipate the ending. Most people don't enjoy knowing the ending in advance.
If anything, this series needs some sequels. It needs to go in an unforseen direction, not tell more backstory. People can fill in the beginning by themselves.. we're good at speculating what could have caused something.. we're not quite as good at seeing the result of our actions in advance. That's what's entertaining for most of us; not rehashing midichlorians.
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and that they make a totaly new script and a new director, and make 3 good movies instead of the total crap we got.
The first two are crap, the third one is only missing sidious and yoda wrestling on the floor to be ranked as the worst movie since episode 1.
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The Starwars universe is great. A clever mix of magic, politics, religion and technology. This is what makes sci fi great. You take a few physical laws, mix them up a bit and see what happens when you introduce humans into it.
This is George Lucas' legacy: a standardised universe, that captivates the imagination. He has woven a rich tapestry of worlds, cultures and characters but is a lousy story teller, particularly dialog.
Please Mr. Lucas, let the universe go. Spend the remainder of you professional life as an executive producer who lets others write and direct, whilst you approve and fund.
As a side note, I'd really like to see a script from Kevin Smith. Given a free reign (and a ban from using his friends as cast members)he could write the Starwars adventure we all think we remember.
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In my office, we were wondering if Lucas would want it to fit with 1 as badly as he made 3 fit with 4.
If so, he may turn it in to a soft-core porn with the conceiving if Annakin.
A colleague pointed out Annakin was supposed to be conceived by the force, which brought out disturbing thoughts that perhaps Yoda got his mother drunk and... I'm sure you can imagine the rest *cringes*
People are going to buy this shit (and que up for weeks in advance) no matter how many movies are made, In 2015 there will have been another trilogy and another plan for more, and people will be complaining that episodes -3,-2 & -1 weren't as good as the 'classics' of 1, 2 & 3 or even the remakes of 4, 5, & 6 (although there will be those that claim the remastered versions of 4, 5 & 6 were the all time classics) Studios don't mess around when they've found a winning formula.
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If you don't like it, don't watch it. But how about you shut the fuck up and let those of us that do, get excited?
If you don't want another three, don't watch it if they're made. Simple as that. Just because it's made, doesn't mean you have to watch it.
Why do *more* films? There wasn't enough material to fill I-III.
If I could go back in time and change Lucas' mind, I would convince him to scrap the prequel trilogy and instead spend the money on two films: one prequel, telling the tale of Anakin->Darth Vader, and one sequel, set after ROTJ, dealing with the rebuilding of the New Republic, Leia learning about the Force, Han facing the new responsibility of his position as Admiral. Kind of bookends to the originals.
That's got to be better than the stretched-too-thin, convoluted and dull storyline of Eps I-III.
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They should do a movie based on the Knights Of The Old Republic RPG story. That was the best Star Wars story ever.
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I just thought I'd pick you up on that rather than comment on Star Wars. But Yes I agree with you. I thought the first trilogy was bad enough.
Am I the only one actually wanting the old movies remade with todays standards?
I really like the universe and I espect the fact that SW-fans is fanatic and all but... it comes down to one thing: Entertainment. Right now its just silly, tried looking at IV the other day and I couldnt stand the figthts, it does just not fit in anymore.
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... assuming the Gungans don't have lifecycles like Yoda, Jar Jar Binks won't have been born yet either...
Let the commencement BEGINULATE!
Heh, I walked out of the theatre after seeing ROTS and commented to my friends how the statement "Once again the Sith will rule the galaxy" suggested a time when the Jedi battled the Sith for control, and how that would be a nice next installment. I hope Lucas either makes this, or authorizes somebody else to make it. I love the Star Wars universe (my second favorite sci-fi "world" after the world of Doctor Who) and would love to see more of it.
I'd also like to see a movie (or two, or three) set between ROTS and ANH. And movies of the Thrawn Trilogy, the Jedi Academy stories, etc., etc., etc.
In short... Give me more Star Wars, damnit!!
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Only 88 years? No imaginaion at all. A high-tech galactic civilisation could last for thousands of years.
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I would hope they would attempt a story after ROTJ. I'm tired of watching movies where I already know who will live and who will die, and where the story is generally going. In the prequel they talk about here, we'd know that Yoda survives, we'd know that the Jedi win, we'd know Darth Plagueis survives (since he'd have to train Darth Sidious), etc... Yes fights would be huge and explosive, but there'd be no tension. Part of the enchantment of the original trilogy was that all these characters were new, and the environment they inhabited was unkown. The recent prequels were too constrained by the story line we already knew.
I for one would like a 300 episode based upon the looong life of Yoda :)
While some may not agree it is a good idea, I for one have often thought about it. Anyone may take it and use it because I'm not interested in writing science fiction.
I would like to see a Star Wars done so far in advance of even KOTOR that the "galaxy far, far away" is just in its first days of space travel and universal exploration. I don't know (because I'm not that big of a Star Wars fan) how long the Jedi order has been around, but I often wonder "what if" the Jedi were around even before the invention of such things as the light saber.
These extremely ancient Jedi could wield a lesser-evolved weapon like an atom-thin blade held together by a magnetic field...or they could just wield regular swords made out of some super-strong alloy that doesn't break easily. Actually, Jian (you know them as Tai-Chi swords...think Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon) would make great Jedi weapons as they require much mental and physical disipline to use properly. Most Tai-Chi masters won't even think about teaching you to use one until you've trained with them for over a decade.
Speaking of which, martial arts could be even more of a focus in such a production as it is something the fans would enjoy seeing on the big screen and would fit in with the Jedi codes of self disipline and their supernatural fusion of mind and body.
All the old tricks would be there, mind-trick, force push, telekinesis, etc...but maybe there could be room for some ancient Jedi powers forgotten by the time the more recent adventures come about. Perhaps elemental control? True telepathy? Astral projection?
As other posters have thought, we might even have the ability to see more of a backstory on the midi-clorians and perhaps even a creation myth with some supreme being founding the very universe itself.
In any event, a universe as vast as the one Star Wars is set it is filled with all sorts of good ideas waiting to happen. I, for one, think those who scoff at a new movie should sit back, relax, and know that there cannot possibly be a failure as catastrophic as that of Star Trek. Over-marketing doesn't kill a franchise...under-writing does...as in crappy.
I've lost all respect for Lucas. The man can't tell a story if his life depended on it. Sure the special effects are nice. The costumes are cool.
Then comes the ridiculous story telling. Lucas needs to let someone else make his films.
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The geeks have had enough of star wars you mean? The children love the stuff and the non geeks don't know any better, hence the massive openings for episode 3, big promo's and big sales of the DVD's and games. If people had had enough it would of bombed years ago. Get out of your bubble you have created for yourself.
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Lucas also announced that due to the bad reception the prequels had on certain geek web sites such as slashdot he was developing a story line especially for the geek crowd, "The Adventures of Padme".
He went on to explain the plot would not be complicated, however Ms Portman would lose her clothing, fall into in a vat of grits and eventually end up petrified (in carbonite) before being delivered by Boba Fett to Taco the Hutt. He expects to being in $60 million from slashdot readership alone.
and guess if there will be another movie.
What do you think?
I've seen all of the Star Wars movies in the theater as they came out, and I've liked them all.
I just steadfastly remain intentionally shallow.
It's supposed to be eye candy, not give you a doctorate in comparative theology or high-energy physics.
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"The story would follow the Jedi regaining control of the universe from the many Dark Lords some 88 years before Anakin Skywalker ever graced the universe."
"However, Lucas, now age 60, says he won't be captaining such a ship if it ever happens"
Can you blame the guy? I wouldn't want to captain a ship built some 88 years ago either...
If Star Trek bleeds over into Star Wars, it'll be here, in the timeline expansion department.
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And hey, since Star Trek burnt out (management or otherwise), we've got Star Wars to fill the gap
Real Sci-Fi doesn't "take a few physical laws, mix them up a bit and see what happens." Real Sci-Fi asks "How do we, in this real world, with our knowledge of the universe, do such-and-such a thing?"
Lucas has more in common with Tolkien than with Asimov, Clark, or even the movie Alien.
Dune deals with the fact that what you see into the future locks you into that - or more correctly, the self fulfilling prophecy paradox. Star Wars doesn't (maybe revenge of the sith does hint on that) . It just handles prescience as just a sense and tries to concentrate on moralizing about the Dark and Light sides of the Force. (which it did very well too). Also Dune deals with the inversion of scarcity - Melange which is rare, but common on Arakkis , Water which forms oceans in other worlds, but rare on Arakkis.
Dune carries a lot of fatalism - especially ironic because Paul is prescient. Also the fact that he lets go of Chani rather than turn into a Tlelaxu puppet - which Anakin was not able to do. Also the twins - a girl and boy , the mother dies at birth.
If you really think about it , the Matrix had some of the themes too - Neo is not The ONE , but turns out to be , Paul is not the Kwisatz Haderach , but he becomes.
Dune has the best eyecandy - I remeber dreaming about Shields and lasguns - the sound, color and shimmering feeling. For some of us, CG effects are never enough . Also yeah, the first 3 Dune books were good - the rest of them sucked (come on !.. honored matres' ?.Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur
Looking backwards in twenty-year chunks? Its not "StarWars", its "memento"
For someone in 20 years or so (after Lucas is gone) to get the rights and hire a real director and a real scriptwriter and remake all 6 of them. The movies might actually live up to the original promise.
Lucas had a great idea, but his writing is terrible, and he's the only director I've ever heard of who can get such mediocre performances out of really good actors. I will give him credit for taking special effects to a new level, that is his legacy.
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However, Lucas, now age 60, says he won't be captaining such a ship if it ever happens.
Let's just hope that Berman doesn't hear about this or we'll all be wishing Lucas back pretty fast.
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Lucas appeared in an hour-long interview with Charley Rose a few days ago. I'm not a fan of the Star Wars saga, but the interview was interesting enough. He made the comment that one of the reasons he took so long to make the Star Wars movies (and also why he had made so few movies in his career as compared with other directors) was simply that he enjoyed spending time raising his kids, more so than making movies.
Given his demeanor in the interview when he made the above comment, and the fact that he's now 60, it seems unlikely he'll be taking on new projects of any sort.
$Episode[0]... He can still get away with it... but no more after this.
Nice wordplay, but a better idiom is "ship, if it ever launches".
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More Star Wars movies will increase the chance of them entering the history books, with the comment: most of them were crap, but some of them were good. Now, fortunately, most of them are good (I haven't seen the last one yet, but part I and II have gotten so much feedback, both positive and negative, that it must be good). It will be extremely hard to keep the quality this high, so let's enjoy what we've got and , if people must make new movies, let them be about something entirely different, and preferably as original as the first SW movies were in the late '70s.
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For the love of [whatever]!!! please just let the movies go... buy the DVD if you want to have them, they are GREAT as they where first, if you have the original (unslashed and bashed by Geroge Lucas) you are lucky.
Would you like to see a remake of Ben-Hur?? Although it won 800 Oscars on its time, the movie that won them was THAT. leave it alone, they are called CLASSICS.
What about making NEW films with NEW stories?? you have a lot of stories to plagiarize^H^H^H^H^H^H^H base new movies.
What about Isaac Asimov Foundation Trilogy? what about dosens and dosens of other Science Fiction books/stories that where written 20 - 30 years ago?
Of course, Hollywood is now just exploiting DC Comics and the other houses to suck the most they can from the stories... but, we all know those stories, it sucks! Hollywood current trend sucks, all you suck!! OOOHHH GOOOD LIFE SUCKS...
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There was that "official" continuation written by Timothy Zahn that was decent, not great, but decent. Those would make some interesting movies. If someone else could take the reigns of directing them and just use ILM's sfx wizards you might actually get a neat series of films. Or maybe a mini-series is a better way to go.
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Too bad it was a long long time ago, because if George and company keep making prequels...pretty soon they will be chronicling *my* death!
long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long time ago...
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Guy's am I only one who thinks that Lucas is camera man and.... that' it.... ??? Get the hell him out from story line / dialog writing seat - he suck Big time ... his place is movie managing and camera shorts - that's it. He destroyed all three his original episodes ones he "make the movie how only he wanted" :( - anyway it's going to be another disappointing... I'm, personally, going back to watch original StarWars again, to wash out that horrible bitter taste of the "Revenge of the fifth grader storywriter"..
We're jumping from infancy to fully developed characters going from III to IV.
How does Luke go from noisture farmer's son (now THERE's a country song just waitin to be written) to ace pilot?
How does a senator's daughter become a princess? (OK, OK, thats a straight line you could drive a semi through, have at it...)
No, I don't read the parallel books / comics / etc.
But this stuff seems at least as important as how Boba Fett got his game.
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My problem with RotS was that there were too many constraints in the story : "There has to be a black armor somewhere in there guys!!" "Oh yeah forgot" *plugs in darth vador scene", etc...
With the idea of using the star wars universe to do a completely new story, without the constraints of the new/old movies, i think there is much potential in there (read here all kind of potential : fun, money, etc)
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Why doesn't he write a book?
Its cheaper for him and I bet it would make just as much money.
*sigh* that Obi Wan! Always stretching the truth so far you'd think it was taffee. He'd already won the Bill Clinton award for Stretching the Truth with the whole excuse about truth depending on your point of view when trying to cover up the "Darth Vader killed your father." line. Now we find that the Jedi hadn't actually kept peace in the galaxy for "over a thousand generations." Seems it was more like 88 years. Obi Wan's response will probably be to dig up some species with a life span only slightly greater than a fruit fly and say something about "point of view."
but it seems there's no place to discuss it "on-topic".
The slashdot headlines at my "personalized" google page are displaying the same thing. Started sometime late last night.
Dark lords 88 years before ep1? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Jedi say in ep 1 that the Sith were supposed to have been wiped out a 1000 years before. It doesn't make any sense... oh, wait, this is Lucas we're talking about.
Can you see it? it would be such a better story if they would do an actual sequel to Return of the Jedi. They can have Mark Hamil and all/most of the original cast, 30 years later. People would love it.
Imagine Luke trying to re-create the Jedi being the last one alive. Imagine the strugles of the new Republic after the Empire with Leia as the Chancellor. Imagine a hidden Sith trying to regain control.
Prequels are not a bad idea, but we all know the ending. Sequels are the future, always in movement...
We want the latest technology and huge battleships kicking ass, no more prequels thanks. Let's go forward please.
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A sequel or an original film are the only ways to really keep an audience guessing. And I like the uncertainty of not knowing how things are going to turn out. Predictability is boring. And prequels are little more than interesting novelty items.
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Everyone keeps accusing the guy of being after nothing but money. This actually proves that he *ISN'T*. Let's examine why. What part of Star Wars would people pay lots of money to see by the droves? Darth Vader, post ep III and pre ep IV, killing lots and lots of people and generally being bad assed. It'd be better than any stupid action film that you could possibly release. And you could throw in cool Jedi for fun that you KNOW will eventually be killed by them. Maybe a few bounty hunters. Best yet, if he really wanted top dollar--I mean to truly swim in the money, you'd see him not only finishing off the Jedi purge, but torturing and killing Jar Jar. I'd pay serious money to see that. It'd be worth its weight in gold. In fact, ANYONE I know would. Come on, it's *DARTH VADER*. Adding Jar Jar's brutal, horrible death would only sweeten the deal. Any idiot with a room temperature IQ would know that this would be the best money maker. Hence, Lucas either has an IQ lower than that, or is genuinely uninterested in making more money.
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Star Wars is what it is, a sci-fi fantasy told by a master storyteller. You want days of yore filled with dungeons and dragonesque type drama, see Star Wars, you want an Oscar caliber film with touching humaninstic portrayals, go somewhere else. These days I hardly ever get to la-la land, after each new Star Wars I feel like a kid again filled with imagination. Fuck yeah, I'm a jedi, at least until I remember I'm to old to daydream about this shit anymore.
I hope they do make more, although I would like a different director to be given a shot. Speilberg, Smith, Tarrentino, now thats a thought. Keep the pace of the franchise and oversaturation is hardly a concern.
In Ep 1, the Jedi Council believed that the Sith had been extinct for a millenium. Also, in Ep 4, Obi-Wan says for thousands of years Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace in the universe. How could they have fought with them 88 years before?
I'd love to see the story of the Jedi coming to power, but it would have to be much further in the past than 88 years.
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JKR and Lucas decided to do a crossover?! Imagine little dorks with black hair, round lens glasses and fake trauma on the forehead waving lightsabers around with wooden handles!
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This is a serious proposition: why not a crossover movie of ST and SW? it would be wonderful as one last movie to end both series.
An interdimensional rift brings the Federation and Klingons on the side of the Rebels, the Borg and the Romulans on the side of the Empire. Then a real big battle takes place, with 'unforeseen consequences' (hey, maybe throw in a little bit of Gordon Freeman, too?). Darth Vader becomes the Borg Queen and the Borg Cube gets Death Star capabilities. On the other hand, Han Solo becomes the captain of the Enterprise after Jan Luke Picard is again kidnapped by the Borg-Vader, and leads the Federation to a grand victory against the empire. Luke Skywalker battles and beats Q using the Force, and we finally are revealed that Luke and Yoda are the same creature, named Z. The Borg-Death Star's death ray hits the Enterprise, half-nearly destroying it, but in the next scene the Enterprise is brand new with 'only the 3rd gun turret been hit'. The Enterprise fires its Wave Motion Gun (TM), and destroys the Borg Star. Han Solo steals Riker's wife, while Lt Data finally gets humour when he sees R2D2 and C3PO for the first time. Jar-Jar has an accident (when the beam mentioned above hits the Borg Star, he is mounted at the front of the gun).
Then the movie ends and we don't have to see Star Trek or Star Wars ever again.
I say! give the job to peter jackson!
Shit he'll do 3 movies in less time than lucas and it will be much better directed! At least he takes less shortcut.
Has anyone been annoyed about how chancellor palpatine got his ugly looks? It looked like George Lucas had no better way to explain it and just thought that we were all 6 years old and gullible.
88 years? Is that a typo in the article?
I thought the Sith were in hiding mode for over a thousand years?
Not that I've come to expect continuity from lucas or the star wars universe or anything =)
I guess he'll have more edits in the I, II, III special edition trilogy box set re-re-re-release.
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I actually really like the idea of these prequels. Just make sure that the screenplay is handled by whoever did Knights of the Old Republic. There is a lot of interesting ground to cover in the Star Wars universe. I would actually like to see another Star Wars trilogy done in the KOTOR setting (long long before Luke). Hell, the most enjoyable Star Wars experiences I've had in the last 10 years have been those two games (first better than the second for sure)... why can't they bring that level of polish to the movies?
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Basically, he saw the nice opening that Ep 3 had and knew that there is still more money on the table. Being the greedy man that he is, he couldn't just let it go
Please, oh PLEASE someone confirm that Jar-jar is less than 80 years old in the current prequels!!!!!
First we thought the movies were the story of Luke Skywalker. Now we think the movies are the story of Anakin Skywalker. But wait! Maybe it's the story of Yoda? BAH!
My guess is that Lucas doesn't want to go forward (post-ROTJ) because when he conceived of the universe back in 1975-76, he didn't think any further than the death of the Emperor. The parts that were fleshed out the most became the most effective movies.
That's why ANH and ESB (and I'll lump ROTS in there, too) are so good. He strayed from the original treatment/vision a little bit with ROTJ, and that's why big Star Wars fanboys were all about hating the Ewoks (until we had Jar Jar).
Episodes I & II were incredibly weak, and my guess is that Lucas didn't flesh much out in his story about how Anakin was this cherubic little tot with amazing powers, who grew up to fall in love with a princess/senator/whatever who all of the sudden turned evil. He probably planned out that Anakin turned to the dark side but had two kids he didn't know about. How he got to that point.... probably wasn't scoped out, hence the movies that explain that part of the story sucked.
But you can tell he had the vision for the final fight that turns Anakin to Vader, where he gets his a$$ handed to him by Obi Wan. Because ROTS, where it's good, is awesome.
So if Lucas wants to go back and regale us with the purge of the Sith, my guess is that it probably is fleshed out to some detail in how he established the Jedi (all those years ago prior to makin ANH).
Based on how awesomely conceived and executed his vision was for ROTS (lovey dialogue not withstanding), I would definitely plunk down more dough for a Purge of the Dark Lords.
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This would be a bad idea -- Yoda's screwed-up syntax was a clever dramatic trick in Empire, since he was in the position of Confucian teacher and Irvin Kershner no doubt wanted the audience to unconsciously pay moer attention to him ... but it became increasingly hard to follow in Sith:
"A prophecy . . . that misread could have been."
"I hope right you are."
"To question, no time there is."
"At an end your rule is and not short enough it was, I must say."
"Faith in your new apprentice, misplaced may be."
"Hot Wookie love, give me more of." (I'm sorry, that should read: "Good relations with the Wookies, I have." Okay, that one was far too understandable.)
All of these are of course understandable when read, but when you had to individually hear and parse them, usually at the end of a scene, there was no follow-up conversation from other characters that allowed the viewer to subconsciously work out the meaning of what was said.
I can just picture more of the same in a prequel designed to center around him, unfortunately.
What we need is VII, VIII, and IX. Y'know, where Luke goes dark.
Lucas is just an idiot. Look at the scene at the beginning of ep III (which I swore I wouldn't see, then good reviews came out) where the ship tilts 90s. The gravity inside the ship also changes direction 90 degrees. Why? Is the ship just hovering in space, with no orbit? Then why does it start to "burn up" as it enters the atmosphere? If the ship is in orbit, using artificial gravity, why does the direction change?
I mean, this is high school physics stuff. The most basic 'science' stuff in sci-fi and Lucas fucks it up.
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How about, we just have an episode 3.5 that goes as follows... Obi Wan awakes onboard a starship to discover everything that happened in Episodes 1,2, and 3 was just a horrible nightmare. They're starship crash lands on naboo, landing upon local resident Jar Jar Binks in the process, killing him instantly. Jar Jar's head goes flying through the air at a high velocity, coming down in th emiddle of a local pod race and going through the engine of the pod of Annia... sending Annie into the wall and killing him as well. The jedi then set out and find a less annoying less spoiled brat who isnt called "Annie" and give him the more dignified title of aniakin so theyre can be a darth vader later...
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Jar Jar doesn't turn dumb, he just never matures past the age of 1.
"Meesa wanna milkee"
"Meesa go pee pee"
Although most kids learn to say "I" by the time they start talking. And most can pronounce "me" properly. So maybe he's a "special" child. (retarded)
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EPIII has a digital and film version. Besides for a cleaner picture does anyone know what has been changed between the two?
Like EPII I heard there were changes in some of the scenes. Where's the list?
And The Hobbitt was so much better than The Phantom Menace to start with. Go figure.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it every time someone posts this tripe: this is most definitely NOT the rose-coloured glasses of aging here.
Listen, when Star Wars came out in 1977, millions of adults went to see it, loved it, and anxiously awaited the sequels. So did millions of kids. However, the children's market was nowhere near as established as it is today. Star Wars would NEVER have been as successful if it only appealed to children. My parents, who in general can't stand sci-fi or action films, and were in their late 30s at the time, loved it. THEY were almost as interested in seeing the sequels as I was.
Flash-forward to the prequels. By and large, 6-12 year olds love them. Other than that, however, the vast majority of adults don't. Believe it or not, there are many people in their 20s and 30s now who've never seen Star Wars before. And most of them really don't think the prequels are all that good.
Believe me, many things from my childhood I can now recognize as the crap it is. The original Star Wars movies were good back then, and are still good. The prequels are less so.
Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.
Well, a friend of mine chatted with me about this possiblity of another prequel of the Phantom of the Meance. She said that since the Return of the Jedi somehow seals up the ending, so a sequel of the original triology is not a big possibility, until someone could come up with a much better sequel. Whereas there're many mysteries unsolved even in this prequel, such as the relationship of the Master of Obi-Wan, or the origin of Chancellor Palpatine. There're many scope of which we can follow.
Some people claim that the continuation of Star Wars prequel from the original has already lost its appeal to many original fans of Star Wars as the script are bad and storyline is very repetitive. However, we can see that producers are more interseted in cashing in the fame of Star Wars than making a good story. Though I must say Star Wars appeals a lot of people, like my sister who's 10 has just bought books about Star Wars, so there's still a demand for such prequels or sequels...
The biggest problem would be numbering of the episodes as this current tirology starts with one. If a prequel is made, then either they have to reshuffle the numbering (which they did when they made the first prequel) or using negative numbers. Of course, they can make Episode 0 (Zero) if they want to make only one prequel of the Phantom of the Meance.
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They were awkward, sure. But they were also very unrealistic and stupid. They wern't awkward in a realistic way. if you're sick of "Hollywood bliss" maybe you should stop watching shitty movies. Check out Lost in Translation for example, or Monster's Ball.
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The remainder of the series was more about the implications of that which was revealed in book 1. A really good example of other author(s) that have this issue are Niven and Pourneille(sp). Mote In God's Eye and Legacy of the Heorot have some of the best moments of "revelation" in science fiction. The sequels, however, were bland because the revelations had occurred and the story was played out in the backdrop of knowledge already gained.
Personally I enjoyed all of the Dune books, but it was like the Gorillaz album. . . Clint Eastwood was such a phenomenal song that the LP disappointed me. Not because it wasn't good (it's actually a really good album IMO) but because it was overshadowed so much by the debut.
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I thought the exact same thing in the theater watching ep III. "This is the only movie that really needed to be made." The other three were pointless.
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Well, I guess if it was in the "Cannon" books, it might be true, but. If you already had a 'prototype' death star, why not just slap a shell on it, rather then building a whole new one?
20 years is an easy-to belive time-frame for something that big, and you could argue that the newer deathstar was built when the empire was much more powerful and centralized.
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this is how you can still write a zero:
Episode eval(I-I)
You can't handle the truth.
Too Bad they already squashed the notion presented in the article of any Dark Lords, in the first movie when Qui-Gon said he believed Darth Maul to be a Sith Lord. "The Sith have been extinct for over a millenia..." "I do not believe the Sith could have returned without us knowing..." "Ahhh, hard to see the Dark Side is."
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Something like the New Adventures Of the Millenium Falcon or the Ebon Hawk could be quite compeling.
The story would follow the Jedi regaining control of the universe from the many Dark Lords some 88 years before Anakin Skywalker ever graced the universe. Yoda, who, according to Lucas, was instrumental in the effort, would apparently have a headlining role.
If I'm not mistaken, doesn't this already exist, in some form, as Knights of the Old Republic? I thought Georgy boy officially declared that KOTOR was permenantly the very first plotline in the Star Wars universe, the Genesis of the SW universe if you will, much like Ocarina of Time is permenantly the very first Legend of Zelda storyline no matter how many other Zelda prequels they make.
We really don't need an Episode Zero movie, cuz if they tried to put all of the main points of KOTOR into a movie it would be at least 5 or 6 hours long...
The worst part of the whole thing, was that during the "climactic" battles, we know exactly what the result is. Yoda and Palpatane survive, Anikin and Obi-won survive and anikin gets disfigured. There's no tension there at all.
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Capin' I cinna milk it anymore!
Damn it Scotty, I need three more prequels!
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Surely she was talking about her adoptive mother, Mrs Organa?
...but the bowl of petunias in me can't help but think, "Oh no, not again".
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That the Star Wars saga was a trilogy of trilogies.
I remember seeing the very first while on vacation with my parents in Hampton Beach, NH. The buzz back then was that this was the culmination of defeating the Empire and that there would be six other movies exploring the historical aspects.
I just hope they aren't quite as dreadful as the first two of the middle trilogy. Those were some seriously awful movies.
So, let me get this straight. The article submitter provides a link to the "article". In the summary, the submitter duplicates, word for word, the complete text of said linked article. When one clicks on the provided link, one discovers that *that* article is just a summary, and points to *another* article. Friggin' brilliant...
I would rather sat through a comparative theology or high-energy physics lecture than watch EPI or EPII again.
I'll admit, I was suckered in with EPI and was sorely disappointed. I waited, and finally gave in and rented EPII. Thank god for the FFWD button. It took me about 45 minutes to watch it, and it was still bad without all the love scenes. When people say "remember how bad scene X was in EPII?" I can honestly say "no". And it wasn't bad like Showgirls bad, because Lucas actually thinks what he makes is good. I would rather watch Showgirls or somthing like Starship Troopers than Lucas' tripe. You say it is supposed to be eye candy, but he thinks it is something much bigger. The first few movies were fun, these last ones were just .... bad.
There is no way I am seeing EPIII in the theater. Lucas gets no special privledge in my book just because he make a couple of good movies, long long ago. Fool me once, shame... shame on you.....If fooled... can't get fooled again.
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I know I probably won't be making any friends by saying this but I will any way. I am done with Star Wars! People are getting weird because of it, and I think America needs a new obsession! I think GL should just give it up.
I want Tim Burton and a team of uber nerds to make this film. I would like to see a Star Wars film that is truelly dark and not made for little kids or adults without a frontal lobe. Tim Burton is great at making dark and strange films that are suitable for children. I'm sure Star Wars film he might make would be sans any Jar-Jar-esque characters
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88 years? In Phantom Menace it was said that "there haven't been any Sith for 1000 years".
"Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart, he dreams himself your master."
So the first Star Wars came out known as "Star Wars". Then when "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Return of the Jedi" came out, the first was renamed "Episode 4: A New Hope". Luckily Lucas had the foresight to number the three old episodes 4,5, and 6 so that when 1, 2, and 3 came out they wouldnt have to renumber the old ones *again*.
What happens if Lucas comes out with another prequel trilogy? Rename Episodes 1-6 to 4-9? Two words: mass confusion. For classical music lovers, think of Dvorak's Symphony numberings. I suppose Lucas would just come out with Special Editions for Episodes 1-3 and Extra Special Editions for Episodes 4-6. It's time Lucas moves on before he loses his audience.
Uhmmmm...probably to late to even be modded, huh?
unless they make a kotor movie
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Many dark lords? I thought that the Sith adopted the "Master/Apprentice Only" thing 1000 years ago.
spoilers below (eh, who am I kidding? we've all seen it already.)
That's what bothers you about ep III? Not the fact, if the jedi has any kind of health care, none of this would have ever happened? (Elder care for Anakin's mom (heck, just buy her out of slavery, give her a job mopping floors at jedi school) or prenatal care for Natalie)
You're bothered by the gravity in some ship, not that Obe Wan leaves Anakin for dead at the end. Not only does he not make any attempt to help him after he is burned, he doesn't even have the decency to do what any one of us would do for a dying animal on the side of the road. He's lost he hands, legs below the knee, burned all over--come on ya farkin' jedi, have some sympathy and put the poor thing out of his misery. Is it any wonder Anakin might hold a little grudge against the jedi? They really did treat him like shit and fark up his whole life.
I think a more plausible ending to whole series is Darth explaining to Luke just how he ended up a freak trapped behind a mask and his whole family dead. Luke comes to the realization, Kenobe really is a royal A-hole, they join forces to do the galaxy a huge favor and finish off those damn jedi once and for all.
BTW, My childhood memories wear a chastity belt so don't bother trying anything funny.
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He's a neocon?
How'd you figure that out by his post?
What a fucktard you are, faggot. Go stab yourself to sleep.
For all we know, maybe this will be the premise for the TV show that Lucas was talking about more recently.
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Legacy's even easier - there's that moment where they kill the last of the grendels, and observe the samlon getting bigger and growing teeth. Then the realization that the "fish" are actually baby grendels. Everyone I know who read that book finished the last 150 pages or so in one sitting.
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The original "scoop" (if you follow the trail of citations) at http://www.cinescape.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0& this_cat=Movies&action=page&type_id=&cat_id=270338 &obj_id=48836 has the new prequel 800 years before Phantom Menace, not 88. This gets misquoted and the error propagates, as everyone quotes earlier bloggers, rather than looking it up for themselves.
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(1) It would have to be Episode Zero.
(2) The scrolling intro always gives the episode number in Roman numerals.
(3) The Romans had no numeral for zero.
That's what bothers you about ep III? Not the fact, if the jedi has any kind of health care, none of this would have ever happened? (Elder care for Anakin's mom (heck, just buy her out of slavery, give her a job mopping floors at jedi school) or prenatal care for Natalie)
Well, that was the first glaring flaw I noticed. Of course the whole "dying during childbirth" thing seemed ridiculous as well, but at least that inconsistency had a purpose.
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I worked at a phone center for a month or so, doing polling (before the election) and telemarketing. I think anyone who ever read any 'real' sci-fi involving space travel would have some understanding of orbits, etc.
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Shouldn't that be "when-will-it-begin"?
Why does Lucas REFUSE to go forward and will only make prequels?
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What a sec...wasn't part of the original premise that the entire SW epic was told as seen through the sensors of R2D2 and C3PO?
Back in the day ep. I, II, and III were about the rise of the empire, not necessarily Darth Vador's origins, and the common characters from the first to second (and ultimately third) trilogy were R2 and C3. Since C3 is built by Anakin in TPM, there can be no prequels.
Or is it just my imagination?
.... I'm for it.
"It's not inconceivable that he was exercising mind control to help push Anakin over to the dark side."
If you have to start reaching for explanations like this, I think it's pretty clear that the behaviours didn't mesh up well with the rest of the character story arc. If you have to make up a reason why something happened, especially if it's not clear after the fact (simply; not using contrived explanations), the story teller has failed.
This was pretty damn out of character. The sowing of dark side seeds had to be much subtler, and much longer. The only hint of this was when Anakin told Windu about Sidious, rather than just killing him immediately. This hesitation showed dark side tendencies. That could've easily been built upon to be believable.
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If there's no anti-gravity, and the ship's engines aren't on, then the ship is in free-fall and so are the occupants. Everyone's weightless, and that's that.
Besides, why was R2D2 sliding helplessly down a steep slope anyway? I thought he/she/it could fly these days.
Why would anyone engrave "Elbereth"?
It was said that Yoda was once a great warrior.
Also, Mace's fighting conditions were much better, not to mention he is far younger, and has a more aggressive fighting style (notice how he pretty much turned to the dark side just before his death, even though he was still against Palpatine).
how will he name it? and if it's a prequel trilogy again, would it be Episodes -III, -II, -I or Episodes -II, -I, 0?
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Prequel to the the prequels ......longer than a long time ago, there was no duality, the Jedi and the Sith were not, they were The Foreninja, and the forerunners were allied to the dark side....
...but that's secondary to the fact that (good)midichlorians rob you of your potency...
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I really liked Eternal Sunshine as well.
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