Slashdot Mirror
'Star Trek: Enterprise' Cancelled?
Tycoon Guy writes "There seems to be no avoiding it this season: TrekToday is reporting that the Enterprise production crew has been told they will all be fired in March, after completing filming on another four episodes. If true, that leaves only very little time to participate in the Save Enterprise campaign. But even if Enterprise is cancelled, all may not be lost: Rick Berman said today he's working on a new Trek feature film that will have "a larger scope and budget" than ever."
This season was much improved, and much closer to fans' original expectations. I'm afraid Sci-Fi's decision to move Stargate an hour earlier against it pretty much cemented the cancellation, though.
I think I'm not alone in saying this, but if Rick Berman were to show up on my porch selling Star Trek cookies, I think I'd still slam the door in his face.
I'm sick of having the next "Trek thing" shoved in front of me as though I'm supposed to care. Enough already.
Note that's not actually a denial that the show is about to be cancelled, however, so let's proceed assuming that it is on the chopping block. Can't say I'd be too surprised by that -- once Enterprise got in the Friday night timeslot-'o-doom, it was definately on the road to rerunville. Oh well. Ever since I got my TiVO, I've come to view watching TV as having X amount of time each week to sit and veg with the shows I like, and frankly I can use the extra time to spend on more deserving shows.
Enterprise got quite a bit better the last two seasons, but it never actually got very good. In a lot of ways, it's like watching a clumsy kid playing sports or President Bush giving a speech -- you know they're going to screw up, so each minute that they don't is like a little victory. Given that, it's hard for me to imagine that there are actually people looking to save the series. I mean, why?
At least they waited until Battlestar Galactica got started up -- now there's a show I actually look forward to. Frankly, Enterprise only stayed on my viewing schedule into season 3 because I was too lazy to remove the series record from my TiVO.
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
Would make a "Save Enterprise" campaign? It is horrible, awful, and bad.
I'd rather gnaw my arm off than sit through an episode of it.
In fact, I would gnaw my arm off to get OUT of sitting through an episode of it.
And Berman needs to be shot for what he's done.
"Champagne for my real friends - and real pain for my sham friends!" http://ericblade.postalboard.com/
The beating of the dead horse has ceased, yay.
Home of the midwest loser - www.say-10.net
How is this such a terrible thing?
to bad scifi.
Dont fire the crew. Fire Berman!
Make up your bloody mind - Editors/Moderators. The article says that the show is canceled, but the article linked to says that the show's cancellation has not been announced? Journalistic integretity my arse.
Zagreus sits inside your head, Zagreus lives among the dead, Zagreus sees you in your bed and eats you in your sleep.
It's done! Christ, how much more do they think they can squeeze out of it? God almighty, it's DEAD alreay!!!!
GAaaaaaaaah!
Asses are for crapping, not screwing.
that Star Trek the Next generation was still on oh yeah mean there was another one?
sorry, you expected something else?
.. enough said
Just when it was starting to turn around a bit too.
This is the 1st time i have heard of such a thing. How long has this been in the pipe works. I did not think ent was bad but startrek is tired too many plots nothign new left to do really.
Considering that there are 5 more episodes for season 4, they say nothing about it on the news section of the site either.
I was really hoping for it to continue, season 4 is by far the best.
-------
Support Indy Music. Buy
to all three fans.
You are.
Fire yourself and hire some new writers that don't hash the same tired stories and ideas.
Execute? [Y/N] _
...someone much more studly than anyone reading (or writing) this post will provide it for her!
I hadnt even noticed..
I am only partially joking.. after the last 2 dismal seassons, i really didnt even bother watching if it wasnt on when i sat at the tv..
Just wasnt worth the trouble...
A great idea, with a lot of promise, was killed off early by what ever moron was writing/controlling the show.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
It's strange, I've never been able to make myself watch Enterprise, but I'm still a little sad.
Oh right I forgot what I was talking about for second. Star Trek is teh c00l, right?
The Trek enterprise (hahaha, pun intended) is dead. Give it up.
Make up something new and innovative, that's the true path to success.
I wish they could go back in time and do this series over... oh, wait. That was the plot all along.
Enterprise was actually getting pretty good - better than some seasons of the other series in fact. I know I kept watching it. Of course it had the prequel-with-better-looking-technology-than-the-se quel problem and a few difficulties fitting in with accepted ST history ,but when there's so much of it, it't pretty impossible to be consistent with everything. I will certainly be joining this campaign.
I am trolling
Some shows should die.
If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
Star Trek executive producer Rick Berman today denied that Paramount is unhappy with his concept for Trek XI, and in fact suggested he intends to make the next Trek film more ambitious than ever.
That's written to sound as if poor concepts and ambitious concepts are mutually exclusive, when in fact they are quite likely to be closely correlated.
Don't blame me, I voted for Durga.
new Trek feature film that will have "a larger scope and budget" than ever.
no please dont. they said this everytime since ST VII.
this show sucks
who cares when weve got BSG!!!
PS frack the all caps filter
..when you only show 7 episodes this season?
Granted, it's a few more than "The Simpsons" and a few less than "West Wing", but c'mon! A typical season is 24 episodes. This is about the middle of the season, so there should be more available.
All that being said, the last season (and this one) aren't bad. The mini-arcs (3 episode stories) is a great idea and allow you to miss a few episodes without feeling completely left out.
all may not be lost: Rick Berman said today he's working on a new Trek feature film
Might as well have stopped right there. If Berman's working on it, all is lost.
Replace Berman with "J. Michael Straczynski" and I would have continued reading.
The coolest voice ever.
1) When will hollywood realize money does not make a good movie. Story does. Acting does. Special effects mean shit if they are attached to a crappy movie. Special effects are most effective when NOBODY NOTICES THEM, in my opinion.
2) Larger scope? For years, the trek people have strived to grab the biggest scope in effort to make their series mean something. Borg, time, ect... Refer to #1 for what they can focus on instead.
Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
First line when I go to read the article?
"Enterprise showrunner Manny Coto today denied a rumour that crew members had already been told of the show's cancellation."
Not only is the article based on a rumor, it was officially denied.
"As to the crew being let go in March," Coto said, "we've always been scheduled to finish production in March!" A DUH.
If they want to cancel it fine, just don't play this stupid media OH NO game slashdot. Please & Thank you.
Yo Grark
Canadian Bred with American Buttering
...until Berman ran the franchise in to the ground.
I think Trek needs to be shelved for at least 10 years to get new blood and new ideas involved in the project. Certainly until Berman is removed from involvement.
For a setting with so much potential and so many interesting ideas, the current caretakers have done poorly by Roddenberry's legacy.
Dr. Becket leaps out of Captain Archer and into a British secret agent in the 1970's!
It's frustrating to see a good idea butchered so badly. I turned it on this week and it's another transporter episode! This series has done as much ill to the Trek franchise as Star Trek 5 did. (Well, okay maybe not that much--after all there was Voyager.) Oh, and I know I'm going to burn some karma here, but I know I'm not alone in feeling this way.
Who'd a thunk that "Star Trek" at this time would be a dead horse, and "Battlestar Galactica" would be hot?
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
If you don't think that's a reason to despair, you obviously haven't seen ST:Nemesis.
Socialism: A feeling of discontent and resentment caused by a desire for the possessions or qualities of another.
Maybe this is time to let go?
Remember Futurama? remember how Fox cancelled it when we were watching Season 4 and the geeks lobbied hard?
Looking back at the episodes that followed weren't they right to cancel it? The last episodes and the whole of Season 5 were tired sad tear-jerkers, with no comedy in them.
Enterprise seems pretty poor to me, and I haven't seen the later episodes yet. They have, perhaps its the same situation and the last 4 episodes are really mulch.
I was even going to do a version of their theme-song telling them it was time to lay it down for a while.
Has it been over a year since you last donated to the Electronic Frontier Foundation
If you havent watched season 4 yet, go and watch a few episodes. It is great especally after manny coto took over. It is mostly 3 part arcs which have tons of good story and character development. Topics covered include the future vulcans, foundation of the federation, romulan war, kingon ridges. I think had it been like this since the beginning, it would be a very beloved series. It would be bad to cut it just when it strted getting good.
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
he's working on a new Trek feature film that will have "a larger scope and budget" than ever.
So does that mean it will suck on a larger scale than the others.
Bad time slot, bad advertising and bad beginning. If they had fired the writers after the first five episodes, maybe they would not have to fire everyone now. I am not a regular viewer and cannot speak on their latest material because I never went back to watch after the first few episodes. Considering Enterprise and the new Battlestar Gallactica, I am even more dissapointed in Enterprise. Gallactica is what Enterprise should have been: gritty, dirty and frantic. The acting is way better than I could have hoped and the writing is innovative. Save your Enterprise hour and spend it on Gallactica.
The cancel button is your friend. Do not hesitate to use it.
the article quoth: "rick berman said today he's working on a new trek feature film that will have "a larger scope and budget" than ever.""
actually, it's now a certainty: all most assuredly is lost.
ed
and now Star Trek Enterprise?
What will these people do?
I need to emphasize the parent. He is dead on.
As a Star Trek fan, call me a trekkie, trekker, whatever(and no I don't dress like a klingon), who's watched the original series, TNG, DS9, Voyager, this man(Berman), has simply destroyed this franchise.
I hope they cancel this show for good and Berman never works with sci-fi again. The man has no idea what he's doing. The storylines are so bad high school seniors can come up with better storylines.
Let some FRESH ideas from some FRESH new people make it to the screen/TV.
So what I want to know is, did anyone at Slashdot even READ the fine article before a story about it?
Die Enterprise die... can't do it soon enough!
Will someone please just take Rick Bermann out behind the production sheds and beat him like a redheaded stepchild?
Trek has had several good concepts - DS9, Voyager and Enterprise - but they've all suffered from Bermann's complete and utter lack of talent.
-EvilMagnus
With a show like LEXX, it became painfully obvious when production props started showing up on ebay. Even if you had 6-8 months left before the series finale and producers still wernt talking.
Enterprise is, for me, the most enjoyable of the spin sequels. It's nice to have characters identifiable as human, rather than emotionless audioanimatrons. I guess it's back to every episode being resolved by the same inane technobabble.
I am a believer of momentum and curves.
Bury it or fuck it, but for gods sake stop beating it.
All but the most hard-core trekkies have given up on Star Trek. I stopped caring about the middle of the first season of DS9.
The whole premise is just.. I dunno, dumb.
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
Seriously, how did they expect that show to take off when they hired a guy who used to wear dresses as the captain of the enterprise? He doesn't walk, talk, act, or do anything that makes me believe he is a leader, let alone the captain of the Enterprise. I'd take Janeway over him any day of the week. Unbelievably bad casting, imo.
Good riddance.
Any man who afflicts the human race with ideas must be prepared to see them misunderstood. -- H. L. Mencken
One thing I noticed about the Trek movies is that the ones that really made you feel as if there was this huge universe out there around the characters brought in the most money at the box office. The size of the canvas seemed to be proportional to the size of the returns.
The problem with movies like Insurrection and Nemesis - to name a few - was that in the end it was one ship vs one ship and the whole feeling of this bustling galaxy was gone. Sure, the Enterprise alone verses the Scimitar was pretty cool, but the whole movie never developed that sense of grand adventure that First Contact or The Undiscovered Country had. The scope of the universe seemed to be scaled-down to TNG-episode proportions. Insurrection was arguably the worst at this - the whole thing felt like a 2 part TNG from one of the latter seasons.
I'm not quite sure if I'm accurately conveying what I'm trying to say, hopefully it's coming across clearly.
One more mainstream "Science Fiction" show bites the dust! Hopefully this will clear more room on the scedule for things (like Farscape, Firefly, etc.) that don't have to be mainstream. (Wishful thinking on my part...)
Why? The show sucks! - As much as I love seeing Hoshi and T'pol all 'hottied' up, the entire format is just ...old.
What I would propose is an entirely new show - call it.. "Star Trek - Federation" and have it be about the folks back at home at the time voyager was lost. It could follow attempts to get them back from the delta quadrant, as well as explore other ships and missions based at federation central. Lots of opportunity for new show ideas, lots of cast and a showcase of earthbound 24th century technology!
----------------------------
Esobofh - Currently drinking fresh mango juice.
I will pay one million dollars for a fucking retarded nick with a high slahdot UID!
At least you arent spamming free minimacs or ipods.
The space dune buggies will now feature Gattling guns?
All kidding aside, I thought the recent Lawrence of Vulcan sub-plot was the height of the series, but the Brent Spiner return was a boring, over-acted waste. It seems the Star Trek universe seems to hit it out of the park with the Romulans, Vulcans, and Klingons, and messes everything else up.
Anyone care to fill me in on how all that resolved? Was it good? I don't remember much about the show, but I'm still upset it's being cancelled.
Ok Sam, Ziggy says it looks like your job is complete. You should be making another leap any second now...
[cut to student riot on campus in mid-60s. protagonist has apparently just killed a police officer]
[character looks at camera, shocked; cue 60s protest music]
[zoom out. cut to commercial]
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
Does this mean it's still on the air?
Didn't realize it was on past season 1 (which was so bad I never tuned back in).
...is making a .45 caliber sized hole in his head.
He should just let it die now.
in girum imus nocte et consumimur igni
but I wont shed a tear. Trek is worn out these days. Leave it be for a few years and pick it up again later. Worked for TNG.
:-)
Speak of sustainable franchise.
Meme of the day: I browse "Disable Sigs: Checked". So should you.
The reason things enterprise have died is the stupidity of the plots, etc. It's just now getting good but UPN has got to be fed up after so many years of crap.
As a rock-in-roll Physicist once said, No matter where you go, there you are.
I've been a Star Trek junkie since the early '70's. TNG was great - Trek back on TV! DS-9 started kinda slow, but got better. Voyager - OK - even I don't like Voyager.
Enterprise was OK. I don't like the fact that they moved it to Friday night prime drinking time, but I digress.
Visualize Whirled P.'s
But, then, I thought Voyager was OK too.
Another movie does NOT excite me. My wife and I agreed that we got it right at the $2 theatre's dollar night last time.
I would caution Berman that "larger" isn't always better.
Look for these changes and more in about two seasons!
Rick Berman and Viacom/Paramount should understand a few things of the science-fiction fan of today:
,b>We are far, far more sophisticated in our SF tastes today than our parents. Paramount should understand there is no longer a "regulated" SF viewership out there. They need to take an airline approach to what they serve us: "We know you have a choice in SF, and we're glad you chose us." Their attitude about fans is quite the opposite, and the fans react in kind with "we'll take our viewership and cash somewhere else."
1) We are fickle. We like sophisticated, mostly episodic shows that don't give us Stepford-Wives characters with little personality. If you can imagine yourself having (or knowing why you don't want to have) a cup of coffee with a character in an imaginary shop, then the writers are too busy or the environment/premise of the show is too damned tired.
Hell, even "The Matrix" is panned...and it is a deep, rich story that will survive the years. We LIKE to pan the controversial. We ignore the BORING that Star Trek has become.
2)
I'm still buzzed over the new Battlestar Galactica. It's depressing. It's dire. The effects are great. The storyline was freaking great with its first episode, "33." I know RIGHT now that I'd sooner punch the character of Tigh that talk to him on anything not about the ship. In just 2 episodes I am wholly entranced about the direction of this show (which is episodic).
I like Enterprise. But they take too long to move along. They don't mesh things. And the near-lack of a true continuum (vs. B5, the new BSG, Farscape, et al.) make you want to tune to something else.
Star Trek has even been outdone by a parody, "Galaxy Quest." The story is tired; let it rest, then bring it back, episodic, with a bible, and a reason to tell us something again.
Vos teneo officium eram periculosus ut vos recipero is.
that Enterprise is being canceled. Star Trek is dead "Before the warsies speak, Star Wars is dead as well", just like all sci-fi. What more and more people want are the mass produced sex comidies like the American Pie series, Something about mary, they also want shit like Jacass the movies, on TV they want nothing but reality shows. Remember, were talking about sheep that are being led to slaughter. OF course, I don't care if they go that direction, another reason for me to stay away from the Brain Rotting device known as a Television.
use some of that money ON HIRING DECENT SCRIPT WRITERS this time! I mean my god, that last movie was so bad it made me want to throw my star-trek collectables across the room!
No. It's dead, Jim.
An Indian-American Hindu committed to non-violent thought/speech/action alarmed by the global explosion of radical Islam
(I'm a Star Trek fan so don't get too miffed at this fanboy parody)
{To be read in a quick and breathless voice of a teen fanboy}
I just heard that the new Star Trek XI is going to be the bestest Trek movie ever!!!! I read the article and it didn't say much, but it doesn't take to much to guess what he's up to! He plans to make it bigger than any of the previous movies budget wise! And it's going to have an all new cast!! And it's just going to be bigger than ever! Those are direct quotes of paraphrases. So to recap... he basically said, it will cost a lot of money, will contain a new crew, but will also bring in familiar faces like Kirk, Scotty, Bones, Picard, Doctor Crusher (ROWR!!), and some of the more memorable away mission red shirt people. There's going to be Chewbac... (catches breath) err... a few Klingons too. Gene and Majel are also expected to make appearances (we're all on first name basis with them) since they wil be using a lot of money to bring him back from beyond the grave. And so um.. it's just gonna be grrreat! Yes it is! It's going to blow away anything that those cyberhumping twins the Matrix borthers ever put out yet!
-"...bad old ideas look confusingly fresh when they are packaged as technology" - Jaron Lanier (Digital Maoism on Edge.o
Even Enterprise is better than my wife's endless DIY shows on HGTV and The Learning Channel.
I haven't watched Voyager or Enterprise for years, but I remember the ST shows were the flagships for the UPN network, the only 'cancel proof' series. (Why they ever cancelled Nowhere Man for 'homies in outerspace' is beyond me.) What are the relative ratings of UPN programming at this point? If they cancel Enterprise, does the UPN have enough programming to remain viable? Again excuse my ignorance, but I haven't watched UPN for years.
If it is cancelled, is there any possibility for syndicated Sci-Fi again, or is that medium completely dead now?
Rhymes that keep their secrets will unfold behind the clouds.There upon the rainbow is the answer to a neverending story
I have not seen the BS:G stuff yet, and I want to (don't have tv but i'll grab the torrents and rent the dvds as soon as they hit blockbuster)...
/sighhs
What I'd really like to see is BRING BACK FIREFLY and BRING BACK B5: CRUSADE....
trek was cool when it was the movies 2, 4, and 6, and i liked nemisis and first contact as well but eh..
as for series, voyager was SOO BAD as to be completely unwatchable. The only watchable one was DS9 and thats only cuz it was a b5 copy.
replacing it with NEW Folger's Crystals! (lets see if they notice the difference)
Rick Berman said today he's working on a new Trek feature film that will have "a larger scope and budget" than ever.
Did anyone else's heart sink when they read this?
I'm not sure I even understand my own feelings about it... maybe I'm just afraid that "larger scope" means "bigger explosions" or "cooler special effects." More likely the latter, especially in light of "larger budget."
Accountability on the heads of the powerful.
Power in the hands of the accountable.
How sad! Mmmmm yummy she is.
Please guys, it's over. It's dead. Star Trek had a great run but has simply lived past its time. Just let it be and move onto something new. I admire your passion for the brand but you guys are few and far between. Let it be and try and remember the good times that were. Live long and prosper, my brothers!
"If you are a dreamer, a wisher, a liar, A hope-er, a pray-er, a magic bean buyer
end quote
.cig
Instead of dragging out ideas that were rejected for TNG, DS9, and Voyager (and we all know of more than a few stinkers that made it there anyways), they should just stop making the stuff for a while. Give the fans a chance to hunger again. Then, perhaps in 2009 or so, crank up the machine and have at it again.
But, as long as there's a buck to be bled out of the franchise, they'll probably instead just keep cranking out crap. That's a truism in our vertically integrated Hollywood these days. Heck, /.ers might like to pick on them, but the fact is that you don't even need B & B to ruin it anymore...
"Prepare for the worst - hope for the best."
Once again this reminds me of the pre-"Enterprise" days. When the hot rumor was the next ST show was going be based on Starfleet Academy (a combination of ST:TNG and Dawson's Creek).
Too bad the Trek people dumped that good idea for this pile of crap. After all, look at Smallville. That show IS a successful cross between Superman and Dawson's Creek, and look how it turned out. It's fans are both comic book geeks and teens.
This reflects the big problem with the ST franchise as it stands today: it refuses to create shows/films that INCREASE the fanbase. Enterprise only appeals to ST geeks. The last god awful movie was only watched by ST geeks.
It's a damn shame Star Trek has to cut itself off from common TV/movie viewers.
They need to stop firing the crew and _start_ by firing Rick Berman, who has single-handedly done more to build up Trek, and subsequently destroy it in a flaming ball of death, than anyone else.
I stopped watching Star Trek a great many Centons ago. I agree BattleStar Galactica Rocks.
I never watch Enterprise on TV. I always use Bittorrent. I'm sure if they included the peer-to-peer crowd they would have a substancially larger audience.
"Ding Dong, the witch is dead."
I wonder if this means we'll see another Star Trek abortion in the near future. (Not to other Trek Fans, I liked TOS, TNG, DS9 and even some of the first season of "Star Trek, Lost in Space" but Enterprise set a new record for shark jumping.)
Of course it would be funny as Hell if, while Berman was sitting on his hands killing Trek, Battlestar Galactica went and became the next major franchise. From what I've read, (Haven't seen any of the new BSG episodes) it looks like the new show may very well be head and shoulders above anything ever seen on Enterprise.
And now, let us all bid "Enterprise" farewell by kicking Berman in the rear as Captain Archer says "Oh Boy" in a flash of blue light.
"Live Free or Die." Don't like it? Then keep out of the USA
Enterprise, the Reality show.
A house full of goofy retards who dress and act like ST characters and pretend to have a real life.
Go ahead mod me, I got more.
This season has actually been really good. They are back to earth and doing missions around the neighborhood instead of crazy time travel crap. The biggest problem is Berman himself. He's an idiot.
Nemesis had a worldwide gross of $97,500,000 and a budget of $70,000,000*. That doesn't seem like much profit on so expensive a film from a major franchise; I seriously doubt Paramount will give Berman more money to lose on the next one.
*http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0253754/business
Give a man fire, and you warm him for the night. Set a man on fire, and you warm him for the rest of his life.
Personally, I thought the Xindi storyline was quite good.
Then this awful, awful storyline on Soong's mutants or whatever. Almost too painful to watch. Terrible, terrible, terrible.
Then the Vulcan thing - pretty good again. But, alas, that storyline seems to have come to a somewhat abrupt close.
I haven't seen the latest episode. Tivo tells me it's about transporter technology or something. I wish they could have extended the Vulcan thing, I think there is some good stuff to explore there.
I just think the show has been uneven, not horrible, when you average the good and the bad you kind of end up on the good side of "meh." I am "Berman agnostic" - quite honestly I don't know or care why people hate him so. I enjoy what I enjoy and I think it will be too bad if Enterprise dies, and I certainly think there is more ground to explore in the Stark Trek future.
A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous, got me?
I'm organizing a Star Trek wake. All you Trekkies are quite welcome to come. It is probably not worth mentioning the the women's bathroom at the meeting hall is out of order. It's not like anyone who comes to this will be needing it (and the condom machine in the men's john is busted too). And yes, if you insist, you can wear that Wookie costume.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Enterprise has a really good cast, but the format or even the Star Trek genre is just stale and tired right now. I think the Star Trek universe could use a good 10 year break.
Right now we have shows like Stargate, Stargate: Atlantis and Battlestar Galactica which are fresh and kick a lot of butt. Galactica in particular is very good and a refreshing break from the same old same old that's a standard Star Trek episode.
I like Enterprise and watch it, but only because I'm a sci-fi junkie. We need newer and interesting shows, but unfortunately I think Berman only knows how to pump out the same ole tripe.
I watched Voyager for all 7 seasons (no I don't know why), and even I stopped watching Enterprise after the first season.
Sheesh, just let it die.
Don't make any more movies. Don't make any more series. Let it rest. Replace everyone who has been involved. Then try again in 5-10 years.
This was the worst case of milking a tired idea I've ever seen! I can't beleive this POS lasted this long when the networks axe much better Sci-Fi shows like FireFly! http://www.tvtome.com/Firefly/ Please bring my FireFly Back!
Of almost all series, most last for 7 seasons. In regards to Star Trek, all except TOS (The Original Series) lasted for 7 seasons. Enterprise is not the best Star Trek series but it's not the first. I hope it lasts 7.
I will certainly miss Enterprise... It was always a fun glimpse into star trek history.
That being said, with the new Battle Star Galactica series out I guess I won't miss it as much. BSG is head and sholders above Enterprise in terms of writing, acting and effects.
It seems like the last few Star Trek series (DS9, Voyager, Enterprise) have been constantly pushing to be more "gritty" and "real" than the previous series, BSG trumps them all in this respect.
Givin the subplot to the last movie, I'm guessing the next one will be called "The Search for Data" or possibly that be "Data Mining"?
...and I could come up with at least a dozen good ideas for episodes. Hell, I bet each and every one of you could do the same.
Wouldn't it be nice if they took our ideas and went with it rather than bore the shit out of us for another season? I stopped caring at the end of Voyager and never really looked into Enterprise, I think I saw one episode and got bored.
Berman, you are teh ghey. Go Away.
'Although Trekspy has an extensive track record going back to the days of Star Trek: Voyager, it appears he was wrong in this case. "As to the crew being let go in March ," Coto said, "we've always been scheduled to finish production in March!" '
I know everyone loves to bash Berman, but to be honest, the problem isn't him. Rather, after twenty seasons of Star Trek, pretty much every plot had already been exhausted. If you think he was the first to recycle material, well- how many times did the crew get "trapped" in a holodeck world in ST:TNG?
There's a reason many call it Soap In Space. It's been formulaic and recycled for almost twenty years. The real problem is that the whole ST formula has completely worn out to the extent that no Vulcan sexiness will bring it back.
Please help metamoderate.
The Fine Print: 'Star Trek - May Contain Nuts'
I'm sick of having the next "Trek thing" shoved in front of me as though I'm supposed to care. Enough already.
You're sick of it? Don't watch it. I don't watch it because I don't have cable, but the last few shows I found excedingly trying. Maybe it's not the stories, but the way they're acted out. I feel less like I'm watching a show and more like a bunch of actors are trying to convice me they are spacers and aliens. Could it be that part of the fault is in the fact that it's less convincing all the time that these people are hurtling about the cosmos rather than working in a corporate setting?
you'll know for sure when you see cubicles on the main deck
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Compete against Iron Chef Romulan, Iron Chef Klingon, Iron Chef Human or the rarely seen, but included for cultural completeness, Iron Chef Bejoran.
With special guest judge, Q
"Live Free or Die." Don't like it? Then keep out of the USA
Honestly, fanboys, the party has been over for a long time. DS9 was the last ST series to have any merit, and only in the first two or three seasons.
--- Ban humanity.
I didn't see that last movie, Nemesis or whatever. I DID make sure to see Trekkies 2, which wasn't as funny as Trekkies. If anyone out there hasn't seen Trekkies, take a peek. Even if you don't like Star Trek, the film was unintentionally hilarious.
this sig limit is too small to put anything good h
The plot for the new movie could be :
Go back in time, fight the past-Borg for control of a Whale (while dealing with Nazi's and some kind of tie in to "terrorism"). Then, when all hope is lost, they can go back in time, and fix whatever was messed up. Then they need to crash/explode the Enterprise. THEN, they can probably go back in time and, after fighting some Borg/Nazi/Cliches, patch up the problem. At some point, they WILL need to go back in time, and crash the Enterprise. OR, go back in time.
My bunghole could write better movies than the worthless garbage that keeps rolling out disguised as Star Trek movies.
It'd be a crime against humanity to end it before seven years.
If new writing talent is what they need to keep the show fresh, I'm a fan of the show who knows ALL aspects of it, and I also happen to be a screenwriter. Check out my spec scripts at my site http://www.bananachan.com and then hire me to fix the series (which isn't broken in the first place)!
Now that's an episode I have to see! After the hints dropped in the DS9 tribbles sequel masterpiece I've been wondering about this... :-)
Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
Only in Hollywood can incompetence be rewarded by a larger budget.
On a serious topic, are there any fan made short films like the star wars series inspired?
Run a contest for the best ST based shorts and then make eps out of the winners. Im sure the quality of ideas would be superior to the Berman 'let's transpose earth problems to outer space' ideas.
Like a friend once said, space travel is a 3 dimentional affair (lets leave it a three for now) and Berman has a two dimentional mind.
He was being generous.
DD
Headline should read:
'Star Trek: Enterprise' Cancelled!
Oh I am, just on my logged in name, not AC
and minimacs, i already got my free ipod in 2004
why dont you throw some water and icing sugar into a bowl (raisins or 100s and 1000s for flavour?), mix together, and splat a spoonful on a tray?
That's what I do, and the diabetes was worth it!
a new Trek feature film that will have "a larger scope and budget" than ever."
Well thank god! We all know having a bigger budget results in a better movie these days!
when the vaunted "Save the Show" Trek fan movement will have a moment of clarity, go back home, and disappear?
What are you really saving at this point? Rick Berman and Brandon Braga's paychecks?
The franchise has long ago moved past the "painful self-parody" stage into something entirely new, rare and inscrutable, like a colorful, supertoxic byproduct from the North Jersey chemical plant that is Hollywood.
Trek has become so egregiously bad that it is more like a sick, uncontrolled psychology experiment than entertainment at this point. All I can recommend for fans is confining the producers and screenwriters to environments where they can be properly studied by science, and going back to reading books.
Tired of Political Trolls? Opt Out!
...and bring back B5:crusade, straczynski is a far better writer/producer than anyone since roddenberry.
I love ST, ST:NG, ST:DS9, ST:Voyager, Babylon5, Farscape, BSG, SG and SG:Atlantis as much as all the other geeks in the world.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, let Star Trek die. That horse is dead. Let it go in peace.
My favorite episode was the Saturday Night Live spoof skit where Belushi played Kirk and Chevy Chase played Spock. Remember? The Enterprise was chased and boarded by NBC executives who have come to cancel the show. Kirk and Spock are in delusion, thinking that it is just another alien attack. They manage to keep it up until one of the execs tells Spock to turn in his ears.
If you feed this man, he'll just keep coming back. He'll keep coming back, raping our childhoods and messing with our memories of a great Star Trek series and a pretty good Next Generation series. After that it's all been crap to include the killing of Captain Kirk in the most asinine nonheroic way possible. He doesn't deserve another penny from any of us to continue sucking dry Rodenberry's ideas and legacy. Don't go away mad Rick Berman, just freaking go away.
Enjoy your Karma, after all you earned it. Feel your Karma Joe, feel it burn.
Wherever shall I get my weekly dose of Nipples the Vulcan?!!?
-- The reason it's called the right wing? Irony.
Even if Enterprise isn't the greatest Trek series ever, I wouldn't dismiss it outright. It did have its moments. Even if Seaons one and two weren't great, Season 3 had a very nice story arc with some really nice episodes. Some of the characters are even gaining some depth. I personally didn't start seeing it until season 3.
Season 4 has also had some nice episodes, and a promising story arc. At the very least, they should allow the series to finish this season. They're going over some interesting early Trek history like the Romulan war, and the foundation of the federation.
Ideally, they should just let the franchise rest for a while - a LONG while, after Enterprise is done.
Vivin Suresh Paliath
http://vivin.net
I like
I run videotechnology.com and several people have run past the idea of streaming, settop box or p2p distribution of TV shows with sponsor paid adverising as a possible model to resume filming of a high budget TV show. There would be no airtime fees and with things like bit torrent, viewers could be counted and demographics generated.
If CBS were to push for such an option fans could continue to watch and generate revenue for contuning the series just without the Cable/Broadcast and over the internet.
I think something like Star Trek would be a prime candiate for such a high tech move.
If anyone would like to see if we can actualy make something like this happen drop me an E-mail or a line in my chat room on http://www.videotechnology.com/
John
I am always doing that which I can not do, in order that I may learn how to do it. - Pablo Picasso
I have really fond memories of watching the original Star Trek way back in 1967-1968. I wanted to enjoy Enterprise. I really hoped they'd explore all the loose threads such as whatever caused the creation of the Prime Directive and First Contact with different alien cultures.
But I just got sick and tired of the stupid time travel stories. They travel back to the 1970's to play 'Starsky & Hutch' with aliens! He travels back to WWII to fight Nazi aliens! That was sooo disappointing.
They had a whole galaxy to explore and instead they wanted to remake the old Time Tunnel series! So I turned off the tv.
I expect Berman's big idea for a movie is just another time travel episode.
FUCK BERMAN.
I mean it.
I hope the damn show gets cancelled. Star Trek hasn't been good since TNG, and even that had its faults.
Let it die. Let the whole damn franchise die. It's like watching Muhammad Ali box towards the end of his career, or "Hollywood" Hulk Hogan in the WWE, shambling around like Frankenstein's Monster. Or the Lakers last year with their fucked-up "dream team" of poncy primadonnas. The whole franchise has taken a few too many hits, too many shots of "the juice." Retirement is long overdue.
Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
As to the remainder of the current fourth season, Coto also denied rumours that Enterprise would be limiting itself to just bottle shows.
I hate those shows where Archer gets drunk and starts hitting on the female crew members, and then Trip starts brawling over in engineering. They should get rid of the bottle shows, not add to them.
the details of the series and (especially) his dialog were just *terrible*. *Terrible*.
Specific examples, please?
There are too many niggers on voyager. star trek is really starting to suck n
become star drek. we used to have kewl white characers like kirk n pikard n
wesley crusher (he's my fav!) on star trek, but now we have stupid gay niggers
like tuvoc n elena on voyager! i think the producers should kill those nigger
fags n bring back some pure white blood like wesley and lieutenant carey. oh
well, its wishful thinking, since the producers are such nigger lovers. at
least voyager still has some kewl characters like janeway and naomi wildman n
neelix. voyager is still better than that fuckin gay deep space nine show with
the nigger captain and his nigger annoyin-as-hell son
There is only one way to save Enterprise - fire Rick Berman - and then use that plot-killing, continutity-destroying time travel technology one last time - to go back and restart the series and give us the cool storyline it could have, and should have, been - one that doesn't try to teach the lesson that letting people walk all over you is the only morally correct thing to do.
Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.
Enterprise showrunner Manny Coto today denied a rumour that crew members had already been told of the show's cancellation.
"It's another inane rumour," Coto told TrekToday. "Right now, the crew is building the sets for episodes 20-21, which I'm writing. Rick [Berman] and Brannon [Braga] are writing episode 22, which is going to be fantastic!"
Why is everyone here implying it's already a done deal? I mean, I can read between the lines, but I'd wait for something more official, myself.
We are one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. Back to you with the weather, Bob!
Odd that they would cancel it (esp. given that UPN is not available everywhere in the country). It's even odder that they aren't going to use the 4 seasons worth of DVDs due for release this year as a way to gather more interest in season 5...
I am really split here on how I should feel. First I think the time travel stuff was crap but I liked the crew. So how about a do over. Start the show at the being again. Lets not let Scott Bakula go to waste. But who knows some how Andromeda got saved mabey the Scifi network will pick up this show also.
just because your a schizophrenic doesn't mean people arn't really out to get you
Enterprise actually came up a few notches in the last 10 episodes.
I really don't think the proliferation of Trek is as much of a problem as Rick Berman (cancel Berman instead). His disregard for the past (canon) and for the fans is part of the problem.
Two good series that would re-vitalize Trek...
Star Trek: Empires (follows a Romulan Warbird and a Klingon cruiser. Episodes are a bit grittier, imagine the Klingon crew where negotiations have failed...final scene "planetary bombardment")
Star Trek: Academy
This would actually be a more teen focused show. Not quite as adult. Would be for 4 yrs only. The crew would actually "age" from Freshmen "plebe" cadet to a 1/Class cadet and finally a feature film for their graduation.
Okay, who remembers a The Onion Infographic when the show debuted, predicting that the creators 'would run the series for five years before admitting it sucks.'
Can anyone tell me who/what is on the icon for SciFi news? Where is it from? Thanks in advance.
Star Trek Enterprise is still ON? I stopped noticing/caring years ago.
Many of the story arcs have been interesting. Tripp's visit to Vulcan and The Captain's "Lawrence of Vulcania" story line were excellent. The 3-episode arcs do still seem forced. Lot's of good implications come to a seemingly crashing end all too often. Let the stories play out for years.
They did finally realize the promise of a more "earthy" character development and less technological cheap tricks like holodecks, transporters, and particles of the week. In the beginning, it took them all of a few minutes to go "temporal cold war" which was just another technological cheap trick. They finally got around to delivering on some promises, but it may be too little, too late.
"all may not be lost: Rick Berman said today he's working on a new Trek feature film that will have "a larger scope and budget" than ever."
If another terrible Star Trek movie defecated onto the screen by Rick Berman is something to hope fore, than all was lost a long time ago. Maybe it's just time to let the dream of another good trek series/movie die.
I lost interest in Enterprise a long time ago. I'm personally not sad to see the series go.
for the plotline comparing Vulcans to homosexuals.
You know...how the "bad intolerant Vulcans" wanted to oppress a minor group of Vulcans who couldn't help the fact that they could mind meld...they were just born that way!
The analogy was as clever as a knock knock joke as as obvious as a Mack truck sitting in your living room. It blew hundreds of episodes of Vulcan lore and mythology for a poor imitation of the Trek of years past.
Let's take a look at how the real Trek series handled controversial issues. TOS has the half-black/half-whites fighting the half-white/half-blacks. Still a classic and balls out the most in-your-face episode about racism I think I've seen in sci-fi. You could put the most inbred confederate-flag-waving Klan member down in front of that episode and he'd be the one who laughs and says what a ridiculous notion is was.
TNG was I think the first to tackle the issue of homosexuality where Riker visits that unisex planet and discovers that sometimes people are born with a sex, and have to hide it. The unisex angle was reallly smart because even a conserative Christian could understand what it would be like if they were stripped of their sexual identify (especially since they are very big on enforcing sexual identity, girls dress/act one way, boy's another). Even at a time where gay rights issues were barely on the map, that episode raised a very valid what-if that applied to any viewer.
DS9, while making it an obvious pandering to ratings by scheduling the episode during sweeps, also I think did good work with the Jax/lesbian episode. The issue was touched on earlier when Beverly Crusher fell in love with the first Trill/symbiote on a TNG episode, but at the end when the symbiote was put in a female host, it was a sad end to the relationship. DS9 took the other direction, where Jax still felt love despite the change and had a relationship with a woman. I don't know if this was the first lesbian kiss on television or not...but it wsa definitely something that riled people up. Still a little pandering tho...I mean, the symbiote could have just as easily been in an older less attractive female host...
Back to Enterprise. All Berman/Braga did was take the most generic tale of gay oppression and replace all instances of the word "people" with "Vulcan" and "sex" with "mind meld".
Somehow, I don't see this episode as becoming the theme song for the gay rights movement. What it did too was take all of the nobility and enlightenment of the previous four seasons worth of Vulcans and flush it down the toilet. The Vulcans who showed up on Earth back in First Contact were supposed to be these enlighted souls who had unified their planet after decades of war, who had turned away from emotion that let to nothing but conflict and embraced pure logic, who had conquered space and really owned the galaxy as far as it had been explorered.
Now, thanks to Berman/Braga, the Vulcan's are no better than humans, there's civil war, people getting high on emotions, racism/meldism, leaders using terrorism as a pretext for wiping out followers of another religion (cough cough, gee I wonder what analogy that is)
It's enough to make Sarak role in his future grave and make any Trek fan vomit in disgust. If there's anything that Trek fans would consider sacriledge, I have to believe it's turning the Vulcans into the squabbling mess that Enterprise depicts.
I'd rather watch a series that followed the life and times of the Voyager Borg kids than watch a single episode of Enterprise.
-JoeShmoe
.
-- I wonder which will go down in history as the bigger failure: the War on Drugs or the War on Filesharing
I've seen just about every single episode of TOS, STTNG, and Voyager and no offense, but I lost interest in Enterprise after the first or second show.
The show is definitely a "quantum leap" backwards from the feel of all the other shows. Maybe I've just lost interest in the whole Trek universe or something, but this series just seems like everythings been done and it's just sad or something. I'm frankly surprised it made it past the first season. Maybe it's because I want to watch a futuristic show and going backwards in technology with a "space" series just seems stupid and uninteresting. A mini series would have accomplished that purpose much better I think.
I don't know about other markets...but in Chicago it airs on Friday nights... ...meaning I never watch it as much as I'd like to (no, I don't have TiVo)
Its an entertaining show but I think I'd just like to see it go away. I'd rather see the "Trek" universe move forward rather than dwelling on backstory.
Of all the Star Trek series, this is the ONLY one I could never even bear a single eposode of. All the other series had their strengths, but Enterprise really sucked. I'm really a die-hard trekkie and a fan of Science Fiction. But this was too much. They basically tried to re-write Star Trek history by "mucking" up the time lines with much better ships, alien races they shouldn'd even met yet, and costumes that couldn't possibly ever co-exist with the TOS timeline. And ever plot, story, and idea has already been done in at least 1 movie and 2 other series. Good Riddance!!!
What follows is just my opinion but I liked Star Trek better before it got so preachy and, for lack of a better word, pussified. Every so often you just have to say screw the prime directive and stick a photon torpedo up some mofo's tailpipe.
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
Ghod; Joe Straczynski doing Trek? That is like, well, bringing Linus Torvalds in to lead the Windows Longhorn team. It makes so much sense it could never happen.
OTOH Rick Berman can kiss my hairy butt. You could replace him with an baboon and get better results...
- -
Are you an SF Fan? Are you a Tru-Fan?
That's like saying...
Wow! You mean Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings?
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
Are wondering. Who is the third fan?
If a significant number of viewers either don't see the commercials (BitTorrent) or can easily skip them (TiVo) then there is no motivation for advertisers to pay for commercial spots. And without advertisers to pay the bills, the broadcasters have no motivation to buy the content.
I'm not saying outlaw TiVo and P2P. I just think you need to consider how the bills get paid. I usually have AdBlock active on my browser. But, I turn it off once a month and click through on the advertisers that show up on the sites I normally use. I'm hoping that helps play the bills at my favorite sites. I also record my favorite shows and fast-forward through the commercials. That way the cable company can report that my TV was tuned to that station, but I only watch the commercials that interest me.
it's that damn theme song.
you are unfamiliar with Rick Berman's work
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
Imagine the ratings for Enterprise if everyone who's ever watched any ST series more than say, 10 episodes, would promise to watch religiously if Berman were canned.
I think I'm not alone in saying this, but if Rick Berman were to show up on my porch selling Star Trek cookies, I think I'd still slam the door in his face.
I wouldn't. If Rick Berman showed up at my door I've invite him in...
After a few weeks Paramount would find someone to replace him, maybe put a "in memory of Rick Berman, whereever he may be" line at the end of an episode.
You can't take the sky from me...
I think your review has proven the thesis that it's a better show than Star Trek Enterprise.
It had some GOOD episodes, the writers showed some promise and the show probably stands a good chance of being canceled now that the writing has taken a downward turn. As a result, we won't have to put up with the years of promos that Enterprise has subjected us to, and will have a reduced risk of running across it while chanel surfing.
And the good episodes even give it a decent viewer base to rely on should the writers rally and resume writing decent material.
All of these are advantages Enterprise never had. Poor writing, an excessive reliance on bad plot devices, and an inability to maintain any kind of internal consistency or continuity, let alone continuity with the other shows.
That, and on BSG, the hot chicks could actually act, and even make their characters somewhat convincing.
"Live Free or Die." Don't like it? Then keep out of the USA
How about 'Kick Rick Berman: The Movie'. I'd pay to see...
/. is a bunch of nerds at a million typewriters. It's not a political conspiracy determined to undermine your beliefs.
I agree. Out of the infinite number of monkeys pounding away on Shakespeare's complete works, why'd they have to pull the half crazed crack addicted one to produce Star Trek?
If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?
It only needs new vision.
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
See, that the trouble with Hollywood. They have the budget for an infinite number of Monkeys thing.
Up here in Canada, all our TV industry has the budget for is like 1000 monkeys, and all they churn out is some Steven King novels translated into Sanskrit.
"History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme." Mark Twain
While I watch Enterprise out of a sense of loyalty to the franchise I find little enjoyment in the show. Deep Space Nine was the last Trek I thoroughly enjoyed. One of the reasons DS9 was great was the care given to the character development. It was a drama and a well written one at that.
Battlestar Galactica's executive producer is Ronald Moore. Ron wrote for ST:TNG and DS9. He tried to make the move to VOY at the end of DS9's run but I think he only lasted about 2 week on that production. But that's good news in my view;
Ron has slipped out from under B&B thumbs and is producing some great Sci-Fi in Battlestar Galactica. Check it out.
While the Friday night slot might be the death toll for Enterprise; Sci-Fi channel has a great Friday night lineup with Stargate SG1; Stargate Atlantis and Battlestar.
/. has gone stupid, reading aparently is not a required skill to have when signing up to work for OSTG because I have read multiple things today where the facts were either wrong or completely misread. Maybe on the next try CmdrTaco
When this show first came out, I was geared up and ready to enjoy a good Star Trek adventure, but I didn't even make it past the opening credits. Instead of some fun, orchestrated adventure music, we were treated to some American Idol'esque song that reminded me of the opening theme song of "The Greatest American Hero."
Modern TV shows take theme songs for granted, but they are an important part of the 'feel' for the show. Most everyone, sci-fi fan or not, would recognize the theme song to TOS.
On a side note, I don't know the names of any of those Facts of Life girls but I'll remember that d--n theme song the rest of my days.
You mean it's still on the air?
I stopped watching when the Nazis showed up.
And it pisses all over DS9/Voyager/Enterprise from a great height. If my valued Slashdot colleagues across the pond havn't seen this yet, start watching, it gets better and better every week. 3 very sexy women (Starbuck, Boomer and No 6) and the funnest, greatest fucked up "villain" in Gaius Baltar. Not to mention Edward James Olmos acting his socks off. Jonathan
My life is structured around it what the hell am I going to do I only have 92 gigs on my box
I just only click on the AdSense (by Google) ads and AdBlock everything else.
From TFA: British science fiction magazine SFX today suggested that Enterprise was on the brink of cancellation, after its longtime source 'Trekspy' reported the production crew would be laid off in March and the Enterprise season might be shortened to 20 episodes. Although Trekspy has an extensive track record going back to the days of Star Trek: Voyager, it appears he was wrong in this case. "As to the crew being let go in March," Coto said, "we've always been scheduled to finish production in March!"
the question is if they'll be renewed, it's not canceled if you're not picked up people.
Maybe if we sold enough of them we could fund our own series!
no wesley crusher
Rick: They say people don't believe in heroes anymore. Well damn them! You and me, Wesley, we're gonna give them back their heroes!
Wil: Ah, Rick. Do you really expect me to go for that crap?
Rick: You gotta admit I sounded good there for a minute, huh?
With Nemesis as the last "even" Trek movie, only time will tell what a suckfe^H^H^H^H^H^Hdelightful gem this next "odd" movie will be.
-- I prefer the term "karma escort."
The look of the ship would have been ridiculously advanced even in Picard's century (notwithstanding gimmicks such as tow cables instead of tractor beams), Robert April (the true first captain of the Enterprise) never existed, and instead of the Romulan War we got stories about these "Xindi" things which you never heard about in any pre or post era of Trek. Ubiquitous time travel, guys dressed up as Nazis, and curvaceous first officers mincing around in catsuits - pfagh!
Berman and Okuda have a lot to answer for in ruining what was arguably the most popular fictional series in history. Shame on them and the abortion called Enterprise.
I miss the red doors.
'Star Trek: Enterprise' Sucked Sucked Sucked
They need to stick to the old ways of doing things. Stop trying to make it a mini searies that the whole family will enjoy. Star Trek is a mans show, and allways will be.
The gay song intro killed it from day one.
I found it interesting that in a recent interview, music from a 1940's U.N. promo film contained themes/riffs surprisingly similar to the original Star Trek theme. See the "American Union 2005.mp3" file. According to the interviewer Roddenberry was promoting a political agenda.
space-nazis?
Don't seel them short now: Space-nazi-nosferatu-vampires!
You can't take the sky from me...
The idea of a Klingon-centric series seems fairly popular.
Set at the point soon after Klingons join the Federation, two human Starfleet cadets are assigned to a Klingon ship. It would be the ultimate culture clash.
Klingons have a wide appeal, such as football and wrestling fans.
Table-ized A.I.
Maybe they should surf on Lava!
This has been a good season, so it was nice so see this Slashdot story contradicted by this:
So at least this season will stick around. Of course writing a letter in support of the series can't hurt.
It appears that BG might also be over after only one season (12 Episodes) as SkyOne proclaimed, 'Watch the SERIES finale next Monday night..'
SERIES finale??!! WTF?! It was just getting REALLY GOOD!!!
Having been following Battlestar Galactica's struggles as well as Enterprise (which has gotten better IMHO), I have to say that clearly something needs to be done about properly funding science fiction movies/series.
There is simply no way these types of shows can compete with the 'Friends' and reality TV shows of the world. Viewers of Sci-fi represent a real challenge and it's been this way since the original Star Trek was cancelled in 1969. No amount of letter writing is going to change the minds of execs who look at real numbers and conclude that shooting million dollar episodes of Enterprise isn't as much fun as shooting and ENTIRE SERIES of Fear Factor for the same amount.
Here's what I have as a solution:
The Sci-fi channel (or some other enterprise) starts a pay network like HBO dedicated to science fiction with no commercials. Proceeds from that go to production of unique series/movies, further proceeds can be made from licencing (DVD's, airing on major networks, etc.)
Honestly, I don't know how else it can work...
"...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
To prove they have loyal fans? If you want to save Star Trek, send a donation! Or better yet, buy a commercial slot on TV and ask people to sign a petition to save Star Trek.
Enterprise was the best of the StarTrek shows (my opinion). The story line with the Temporal Cold war, sulibans the mistery guy from the future and Daniels was one of the inovative ideas. I don't know why the y have canceled that story line.
It should be one of those IMAX 3D movies for maximum enjoyment. And think of the spin-off possibilities beyond the obvious sequels "Kick Rick Berman: The Leadpipe Generation" and "Throw Rick Berman from a Train". They could even cash in on the reality tv craze by ambushing Trek fans and letting them work over Berman with an assortment of sponsor-provided household appliances and sporting goods.
The Farewell Tour II
I don't understand why almost every single sci-fi franchise has some kind of "save me" organization behind it when it's about to get killed off, no matter how bad it is.
C'mon people! these extrelly well paid and pampered actors need to keep working! Let's all storm Paramount and demand that not only they are not fired, but all receive raises! Jeez
I gave up on Enterprise halfway into the first season. I enjoyed Star Trek V'ger when I stopped thinking of it as Star Trek. I gave up on DS9 when it turned into a Bajoran soap opera, but the turning point to suck came in Star Trek the Next Generation when they had that retarded episode, Force of Nature, that warp drive was wearing out the fabric of spacetime. I think they ignored it after a while, the way they ignored the Organians after the first Klingon episode in classic Trek. Doctor Flox is even more annoying that Neelix. So killing Enterprise would be a mercy. Though I think they could save the show by having Six of Nine hot oil wrestle with T'Pol in a remake of "Gamesters of Triskelion" using time travel to grab competitors. I'd wager 30 quatloos on that.
"You'll get nothing, and you'll like it!"
Rick Berman is scum.
A friend of mine who is a certain well know West Coast fazine fan once ended up at a party where Berman was at, and talk about a glory hog. He actually was confused that she did want his autograph...
Berman is a cancer in the Star Trek universe, and the sooner he is removed, the better for Trek. I mean, there is a good reason that Majel Barrett (Gene Roddenbury's wife) has had very little to do with Trek since Next Gen....
Now, getting JMS to take over Trek...that is as you said, too sensable, so it would never happen. [sigh]
Ack, now people will think I am a Media fan...
ttyl
Farrell
CAN-CON 2019 - Ottawa's only book oriented Science Fiction Convention! October 18-20, Sheraton Hotel, Ottawa, Canada h
I'm going to say Enterprise sucked. That's just moronic. Enterprise had some solid actors, outstanding sets and special effects, and good character development. It also departed from previous ST franchises by being grittier, more visceral, and closer to the values and ethics of the 21st century, which is refreshing.
Unfortunately, Enterprise failed to inspire. Except for season 3, the crew of Enterprise did what ST crews have always done - wandered aimlessly about the alpha quadrant bumping hap-hazardly into one situation after the next. What was missing was quality writing, and a long term story arc. IMHO, season three had an arc, which bottomed out real fast, but the other three seasons - with the exception of a few episodes - has been highly forgetful.
Get people to dress and "act" as their favorite *captain, # one, yoman, red(dead)shirt, doctor, etc. The games could be; debating who was the better *, coming up with new solutions to old problems, remembering old solutions to old problems and putting old solutions to work on new problems. Someone gets voted out every week. Call it "spaced" or "out the airlock". The winner gets no money but a REAL spacecraft, just to get the trekkie F*&*er off of the face of the planet!!
Star Trek has a fairly well defined set of races and a good environment. A big issue is with those producing the episodes and/or those doing the acting.
It's not that Star Trek needs to die, it just needs to stop having the same stupid ideas pumped through it. Think of some books/TV-series where a new author in a given universe has added a whole new dimension to the plot... or where one bad author taking over has killed it.
I think a lot of this has to do with directors turning sci-fi into low-rate action flicks with lasers. Star Trek used to have a lot of theory and possibility, now it's a race over an alien landscape with chasing aliens firing lasers... just as easily done with horses and six-shooters if you ask me.
OTOH Rick Berman can kiss my hairy butt. You could replace him with an baboon and get better results...
Testify, brother!!! I don't mean ill-will toward Mr. Berman, but he has definitely turned an interesting series into a long and boring drawl. If he would only allow his actors to act!---on the other side of the playground--- *waves all the star trek fans over to the brand new battlestar galactica jungle gym*
(With apologies to Wil Wheaton, but we know he'd be willing to take one for the team...)
Have an episode where Wesley Crusher time travels back to Enterprise time to take on the evil Time Lords messing with Archer's time. Open a gate to a parallel universe and have battling Jedi and Sith spill into the Enterprise universe and have one of them accidentally cut Wesley in half with a lightsaber. The resulting blast of temporal energy sends the Jedi and Sith back to their universe and locks the temporal baddies up behind a time barrier so they can't tinker with the past any more.
This would be satisfying on several levels, not the least of which would be watching Wesley get cut in half with a lightsaber, a long-time wish of everyone who really wanted a non-whiny, non-wimpy genius kid character in STtNG. That stunt alone ought to at least increase Enterprise's rating for that episode by a factor of 100, saving the show!
(Wil did a good job with what he had in the part, but the character just wasn't that cool compared to the rest of the show.)
Go Team!
TLR
A man no more knows his destiny than a tea leaf knows the history of the East India Company
I feel it may time to relegate the whole Star Trek universe to television history. For one, Gene Roddenberry was the best creative influence on the show and now he has past on. The creative heirs of the show are gradually running out of ideas as evident by the rehashing of heroes, villians, and themes from different spinoffs. The themes of paradise, egalitarianism, enlightment, and global peace seem absurd in this post 911 world. Shows like Battlestar Galactica have more parallel with today's reality. The human struggle to survive with little hope in sight reflects our struggle with hatred that now pulls our societies apart with little end in sight. Last, the only reason any studio would consider airing another series is to ring every drop of commercial gain from trekkies. This will eventually leave a sour taste and overshadow the shows' real sucess in tv.
You don't have to be smart to use a Mac, you just have to be smart enough to buy one
I know everyone loves to bash Berman, but to be honest, the problem isn't him.
You're confusing "honest" with misinformed/delusional.
I've been a Berman hater since 1991. Why? Because of a magazine article I have where he explains all that he thinks that is wrong with Star Trek. He basically lists all the reason why Star Trek became a phenomenon instead of a forgotten low-budget campy sci-fi show.
He hates the humanist message.
He hates the bridge cammaraderie.
He hates the para-military Starfleet mainly in charge of commercial space travel, exploration and self defense.
He hates the techno-eutopia of earth.
He hates the idea that humanity could grow and become better than it is now.
He hates the entire message that Gene Roddenberry gave us.
He then described how he thought Star Trek should be, and you know what it was? Exactly what the first 3 years of Enterprise was: Darker, lower tech, on-ship conflicts, etc.
When Gene Roddenberry died, they had a bust of him made. That bust was in Rick Berman's office, with a blindfold and earplugs on, because he damn well knew that Gene would not approve of what he was doing to his creation.
And you know what? The fans don't approve either, the commercial partners don't approve, the ratings don't approve.
The only reason his endaevours haven't COMPLETELY tanked is because of the recognizable brand-name. He's been riding the inertia of Star Trek's past quality, but he's been making nothing but crap since.
Rick Berman must die. Nothing short of this will save Star Trek: It's in the hands of am egomaniac who's been twisting something beloved by generations of sci-fi fans into his lame, insipid vision.
Had he made these shows from scratch instead of abusing a known setting, he would never had made it past a single season.
You can't take the sky from me...
Damn straight. The day that I heard the concept for Enterprise, my immediate reaction was "this could be really cool, if and only if they NEVER say 'phase modulation'." Setting it in the lower-tech past should have been the perfect way to prevent particle-of-the-week syndrome. But they managed to screw it up anyways.
With the first pilot filmed in 1964, they are starting to run out of good stories.
UPN moved enterprise to friday (from its original wednesday) up against the much stronger (in that slot) stargate. This means that Sci fi fans are competing on which show they will watch, as opposed to being able to easily watch *both* which would ensure better rating for the now much less crappy Enterprise.
Why do they always do shit like that?
You have two similar shows, they can't resist putting them in conflicting time slots. This ensures that they loose part of the target audience. It's not as if I'll watch their reality-crapfests that run the rest of the week.
You can't take the sky from me...
'... a new Trek feature film that will have "a larger scope and budget" than ever.'
As I undersand it, the third in the series will be called:
* Lord of the Fed: Return of the Kirk
- - -
"The sixth sick shiek's sixth sheep's sick."
Trek fans don't care about generic storylines with plot holes big enough to fly a fleet of cloaked warbirds through... all we want is dune buggy fights and celebrity cameos.
Oh, or better yet... a new warp drive has been invented that appears to be able to traverse interstellar space and they need a crew to test drive it---so they point it at M33 and... No, not invented, that one that was "discovered" in the Gamma quadrant by Janeway and her crew...
Of course something goes horribly wrong... etc.
Not suggesting this because I hate Mr. Wheaton, of course.. but wouldn't it be cool to get him a job again NOT to mention the fact that many geek fans LOVE him. Not the ST:TNG character, as much, because he was a kid playing a role the best that he could written by adults who didn't know what they were doing.
Hm. I guess we'd have to get rid of Berman for that to ever happen, huh??
It could always be worse. If Voyager had a gay episode, it would entail Janeway being exposed to a high concentration of lesbion particles, with the only treatment being a highly experimental, highly dangerous hot tub session with Chakotay...on the Holodeck!
They've just done too much.
In the final episode they will outsource exploration to the Bangalorons. They work cheaper and don't care about being killed.
Table-ized A.I.
Don't mod this funny, but my signature (which I've had ever since STE started) fits in perfectly in this thread.
Let this show die in peace, please.
* No more Rod Stewart
* No more spineless Captain who will sway to anyone's will
Glad to have this off my chest. Phew!!
Corporate Gadfly
Jonathan Archer: the most beaten up Enterprise captain in Star Trek history
Everyone that approaches this subject is focusing on the wrong point. It shouldn't be that SS is going bankrupt, losing money or anything else along those lines. The point that people should be focusing on is that Social Security is nothing more than government sanctioned thievery. Not only does it rob people of their wealth, but it robs them of their liberty and freedom to choose how they save for the future and forces them contribute to something that gives little back in return. This is completely un-American and un-Constitutional.
This quote basically is says that Americans suck and cannot take care of themselves:
''Because it has become increasingly difficult for individuals to build their own security,'' the president told a national radio audience, ''government must now step in and help them lay the foundation stones.''
Why is it increasingly difficult to build your own security? Why do I need government to do this? Maybe because people in America are becoming trained to take handouts from the government instead of looking after themselves? I'm sorry, but this isn't how I want to live.
if you think Enterprise is bad, i highly suggest you go back and watch seasons 1 and two of TNG ... they are truly AWFUL. way worse than enterprise ever was. i think they get a pass because back then, people just sort of expected trek to be campy and bad.
In 1988, there was a writer's strike in Hollywood.
So they used rejected scripts, or had unqualified people (*cough*B&B*cough*) write scripts.
You can't take the sky from me...
Why not a season earlier?
Seriously. Enterprise is the wrost Trek series of all times, and that includes the future. The first two season were - though not exactly great - acceptable. But the third season was just unbearable. This whole Xindi thing was just plain stupid.
I for one would applaude the cancellation of this show. As others have said before, the franchise needs a break. Then, in perhaps 20 years time, we will see the likes of TNG and DS9 again.
If a train station is a place where a train stops, what's a workstation?
Bad analogies are like waxing a monkey with a rainbow.
This show could have been so much more.
But its hampered by recycled stories, and pandering to the lowest common denominator.
Let Trek die, at least for a few seasons.
BRING BACK CONNECTIONS WITH JAMES BURKE
It is better to be the hammer than the anvil.
Save Enterprise? You must be joking - it never was Enterprise, that's why nobody liked it. It's connection with the Trek universe was tenuous at best.
Berman and Braga couldn't direct and write for a cat. Those bums should be kicked out of Hollywood for killing Star Trek.
Si tacuisses philosophus mansisses. If you had kept quiet, you would have remained a philosopher.
I agree...Roddenberry gets too much credit. He had a good core idea -- a sci-fi TV series as a vehicle to explore meaty issues -- and then had the balls to continue to pound the pavement until it was produced inspite of considerable rejection and ridicule.
But the man couldn't write his way out of a paper bag. Go back and watch TNG's "Encounter at Farpoint", "Hide and Q", or "Datalore" for some fine examples of his writing talent. Let me know what you think...when you finish dry heaving and wretching, that is.
I agree with the parent, particularly with regards to the motion pictures: the less Roddenberry was involved, the better the material.
back when I was younger, more naive, still in the closet, etc., etc., to have shows like TNG where, despite the occasional preachy lesson show, the moral of the story was "Shut the fuck up and get along."
:-P
Nichelle Nichols' character in the original series was a really groundbreaking sort of role: to have a black woman on a show, full time, regular cast. Awesome!
But what really sealed the deal was that nobody gave a rat's ass about it. There wasn't an episode about crew members dealing with what to do with the black woman on the bridge. It just was. And it was Good.
I didn't see the queer episode in question, but I guarantee you if I was 10 years younger and had seen that episode, I would've been pissed that they even bothered to make such a stink. (On a related note, did anyone see the abortion episode of Enterprise a while back??)
I miss the subtlety.
One of the news stories on the Save the Enterprise site says that it is all an untrue rumor.
http://www.saveenterprise.com/sfxrumor.htm
Not to mention fighting with studio execs of the 60's to have a multicultural crew, having a woman in a technical job, on the bridge, and a black woman at that!
He never did anything particularly impressive? sheesh.
You can't take the sky from me...
Until Sci-Fi can show that they won't cancel their best shows during the prime of their lives, I don't want them going anywhere NEAR an original star trek series. Farscape was one of the best shows on TV, and they killed it despite solid fan support. Now they've got me hooked on a much-better-than-expected Battlestar Galactica. I haven't looked forward to friday night sci-fi in a long time, but I keep expecting to see a cancelation notice for BG, just out of this sense that Sci-Fi likes to go "gotcha!" to their own fans.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
Agreed. I am a die hard Star Trek fan. This series sucked. I liked that bad space station version (Deep Space nine, (should have been Deep Six Mine)) better than this one. Heck I kept expecting twiggy (Quantum Leap reference) to show up and Baccula would jump to another reality it was so bad. I think Baccula fit the part well and did a good job, but the premice was bad and the scripting was worse.
I loved Connections! That was a real cool show. To bad people don't like their history I guess. I had to have higher ratings than Enterprise.
by Jhan (542783) Alter Relationship on Tuesday January 18, @02:30PM (#11398795)
I'm agreeableistic. Propositively disintegretitilyist.
JHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNN!!
I want to drag this out as long as possible. Bring me my protractor.
It doesn't help matters that the last few Star Trek series rely on gimmicks to pull them along. Voyager had the Borg (lots and lots and lots of Borg), and Enterprise has lots of time travel.
Of the first 4 episodes of Voyager, three ended with the time-travel-reset-button and therefore didn't actually happen.
I think that's the ratio for the rest of the series too.
And lots of Borg? I think you forgot the biggest cheap-shot ever: Voyager was on the other side of Borg space, and when they got to it's border, the eye-candy alien bimbo (the one that was supposed to age 10 years for each of ours, but only ever untied her hair in the 3rd year) used her newfound magic powers to get Voyager exactly one width of a Borg space closer to the earth, said goodbye, and left them with a new babe.
At least the Doctor bragged about his mad cosmetic surgery skillz when they introduced BigBoobs of Borg.
You can't take the sky from me...
Enterprise could have been so damn good but those jokers Berman & Braga brought us this bastardization of star trek instead.
At first I though that it would be great to see "space cowboys" enter the new frontier much like it was the wild west, meeting races that would found the United Federation of Planets and solving thier conflicts, etc. Instead they created this bullshit series with no plot, very little character, and some of the worst damn stories ever, then brake all star trek cannon that was established in all other treks (Klingons way to early and not even that disatrious, Borg, Ferengi, stupid fucked up Vulcans, Klingon home world a few days away, and the list goes on). I really don't know how anybody could watch this show. It was fucking AWFUL. I watched the first 2 season with the hope that it would get better, but it didn't, it got worse. It almost hurt to sit and watch these shows they were so bad. I shut it off after season 2 and never watched it again.
Let Star Trek die for a few years, and all those winny bastards that keep saying "save enterprise" are nothing more then a bunch of retarded snot nosed kids who just want to save it for sake of having trek on TV no matter how bad the series is. As Trekkies we should not stand for this. Just because it is "trek" the studios will think that they can feed us anything.
I am happy to see this cancelled. Good Riddance.
I think we have to leave with this all the damn years... I mean... Every time that a season resume the star trek 'producers' say the same thing... "No more Enterprise?" "The end is near?" "Enterprise = cancelled?" and s*it like that... EVERY YEAR...
I hope they cancel this show and leave us alone... Im tired to "deal with stupid stuff like this" every year, every minute...
DIE ENTERPRISE... AND LEAVE US ALONE...
Because... let's be honest folks, only boobs have the power to save this turd.
Enterprise took a universe that ALREADY had difficulty not contradicting itself and made it 10x worse.
I say re-hire them all before they're dead, travel back in time, transport data right before the explosion & give him some eye-bag implants. Do another 7 seasons in the Starfleet Academy Retirement home.
Whatever they do to the franchise, I still wish they would just get Majel Barrett's voice onto OS X's speech synthesis, and other platforms as well.
Sad, though, that Berman is getting to hold onto the franchise .. he's the worst thing that ever happened to Trek.
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
I thought your description was highly accurate until the comment about Wheaton.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
I don't think it's sad at all. Trek lost it's edge when Roddenberry died. It's all been downhill since. The torch has been passed - there are much better shows on now. I'll be planting my ass on the couch on Friday to watch Sci Fi's lineup.
Hello? Anyone actually read anything?
TrekToday is actually reporting the showrunner's, Manny Coto, denial of the cancellation rumor. Rather the opposite of the Slashdot tease.
As for the alleged March production crew layoffs, Coto says Enterprise production always ends in March.
-- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
Good Riddance.
Cancelling this tired crap of a show, would give the viewing public the time to catch their breath and make a decision if we really want another tired rehash of the same old crap in 2006, or 2007. Give us three years, bring back something new in 2010.
Worst.
Show.
Ever.
TNG - Social Workers in Space
Voyager - Katherine Hepburn commands wimps
DS9 - If I hear "Constable" one more time.....
I think "Enterprise" is closest in spirit to the best and original. Some of the timelines / technologies don't match, but hey, that was forty (ish) years ago. Cut 'em some slack.
I thought this season was top notch so far.
I think Scott Bakula makes an excellent captain for the show. My biggest complaint is how some (all?) of the episodes have become mirrored controversial topics of today. All the cloning and intolerance of this and that... whatever. I'm sick of political correctness propaganda.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
You have two similar shows, they can't resist putting them in conflicting time slots
I'm convinced that this will happen into the forseeable future, because of the view networks have on the target audience of Sci-Fi shows. This thinking is as follows
Friday nights are prime party hours right?
People at parties aren't watching TV.
Nerds don't go to parties.
Therefore, all programming that appeals to nerds gets slapped into the friday night timeslot, while shows with broad demographics across the norm audience go in throughout the week.
Farscape? Check
Stargate? Check.
Enterprise? Check that
Firefly? Doublecheck.
This is just recent history too. I noticed this trend many many moons ago.
"Inattention makes clowns of us all" -Bean
There is room for fresh perspective. JMS has proven he can deliver what viewers want to see. Give him a freehand and lets see what happens.
Although if the gorn start wearing encounter suits...
Why "save" it? It's not like 1969, when it was the only SF show available. I can name five shows right now that are better than anything Star Trek has done in a decade.
Let "Star Trek" die and shovel the money into more projects like "Battlestar Galactica".
The cake is a pie
...it sounded like a bad beer commercial, complete with ersatz Bob Seger soundalike! It was so bad I leapt from my chair everytime I heard it, and therefore never watched the program! Guess it really did suck!
A cigar is just a cigar. Don't apply your armchair pseudo-psychological, pseudo-philosophical meanderings to a simply-scripted story about the re-emergence of logic as a ruling force in Vulcan civilization. Give it a break, man!
http://www.trektoday.com/news/180105_02.shtml
Enterprise showrunner Manny Coto today denied a rumour that crew members had already been told of the show's cancellation.
"It's another inane rumour," Coto told TrekToday. "Right now, the crew is building the sets for episodes 20-21, which I'm writing. Rick [Berman] and Brannon [Braga] are writing episode 22, which is going to be fantastic!"
British science fiction magazine SFX today suggested that Enterprise was on the brink of cancellation, after its longtime source 'Trekspy' reported the production crew would be laid off in March and the Enterprise season might be shortened to 20 episodes. Although Trekspy has an extensive track record going back to the days of Star Trek: Voyager, it appears he was wrong in this case. "As to the crew being let go in March," Coto said, "we've always been scheduled to finish production in March!"
As to the remainder of the current fourth season, Coto also denied rumours that Enterprise would be limiting itself to just bottle shows. "In the second half of the season, you can expect this: Stories that take place on Andoria, a Klingon moon, Romulan outposts, Romulan Marauders, Orion Privateers, Earth's Moon, Mars, a Constitution-class Federation starship and more. And you'll see a live Tholian... and a Gorn."
"As to whether or not we'll be back for Season 5," Coto continued, "that's always been up in the air. We'll see what the future brings."
You're off by one season.
It was the cliffhanger episode between seasons 3 and 4.
Season 2 was the awful "Dr. Pulaski" season and ended with a clip show (one of the dumbest shows ever) where Dr. Pulaski had to make comatose Riker experience emotions by stimulating memories.
The reason only one of those sucks is no Cylons. ;)
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
here is another star trek fans opinion on this matter: paramount should pay the tv-channels to send them back the copies of the show in order to burn them all! (let's don't forget the Star Trek X copies too!) afterwards they shouldnt fire the crew but make a new show where they would state that everything shown before hadnt happened... we need cpt. riker back (frakes still there?) - instead of current producers who "$$$ on gene roddenberry's grave.
In fact, the entire shebang has been an exercise in medicrity. If Archer grew a set of balls and wouldn't anguish so much over the slightest of humanitarian transgressions, we might have a little more respect for the character. His endless pacing back and forth is a sure sign that his character represents the weakest Star Trek captain ever thought of. I say put the knife in, and then stab a few more times, just to make sure this headless-chicken truly is dead!
Who would of thought? I stopped watching a long long time ago.
Your friend and well-wisher
m0smithslash
http://www.ferociousflirting.com
I think a darker grittier Star Trek would be a good thing, but it needs good direction and writing.
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
Star Wars too. The two biggest franchises in s.f. are both dying, while BSG is perhaps the best thing on TV.
You know, it was wierd. Just a few hours ago I was mentioning how I hadn't seen an episode of *any* Trek for over 6 months. As I type this I'm looking at my DVD collections - Firefly, SG1, Futurama, Friends, Family guy. All complete series (well, not SG1 S8, yet), 3 shelves of them.
Then another couple of shelves of movies.
My entire Trek collection? Star Trek 2 Directors cut, and Free Enterprise (which doesnt count!) I dont even have any downloaded episodes on my on-line storage, aside from the first episode of a fan-made series.
I used to love trek. Day in, day out. I even went to a convention. I've seen TNG, and to lesser extent, DS9, so many times that there are very few episodes I can watch again. I dont have this problem with my SG1 et. al. DVDs. The only thing I can think of is "trek wasn't that good".
Is that the first 2 seasons must always suck.
DS9 is the only series thats gotten around it.
Paramount was having an "AIDS awareness month" and ordered all of their shows to do an episode tackling with it. Well... Enterprise was in the future, and they didn't think they could fit AIDS in as AIDS, so that was the result. It was really out of their hands.
...somebody needs to take a bath....and stop picking your nose!!!
It really did send a chill down my spine, I think that was one of the best moments in the Trek universe ever.
Definatly. I'd say that those 2 shows (part I & II) are the best 84 minutes of Trek in the entire history of trek.
You can't take the sky from me...
That fucking idiot has single-handedly destroyed the entire franchise. Why? Because he thinks he has talent. Even worse, he and his tiny little cadre of butt-buddies think they have so much talent that it warrants their writing almost every episode! Why was The Original Series so great? Because Roddenberry actively sought out fresh talent to do the scripts. The same goes for the bulk of The Next Generation. Just compare the list of writers for either of these two series with that continuing bylines of Berman, Braga, et al we've had to suffer throughout Voyager and Enterprise. The good of the many outweighs the good of the one. Time to let this show DIE and for Berman to be put to pasture.
and now they cannot do any more CPR to save the show. So, hey folks, lets do another Star Trek movie.
I think the Sci Fi channel might pick up the series if they are smart enough to show yet another crappy Sci Fi show in their schedule. The only exceptions were FarScape and Lexx, but they got the axe for Stargate 1 and that Battlestar Galactica remake. What where they thinking?
Ah, the heck with it, have a time travel episode where there is a big war, and the people from ST:TNG, ST:DS9, Star Trek:Voyager, and Star Trek:Enterprise are used as pawns in a battle between Q and another Q. Have them bring back Khan and crew, the Enterprise Era Klingons and Romulans, The Borg, and the Cardasians for the evil Q's side, and the good Q gets the Starfleet people.
Remember, Slashdot does not have a -1 disagree moderation, and no, troll, flamebait, and overrated are not substitutes.
I think you're more optimistic than I, but I'll keep my fingers crossed. The reason I'm replying, though, is your comment:
a race over an alien landscape with chasing aliens firing lasers... just as easily done with horses and six-shooters
Two thoughts, both reasonably OT:
"Prepare for the worst - hope for the best."
Why would you tie the hands of a genius like Straczynski with the weight of too damn much shitty, contradictory continuity?
Justin Rye's commentary is a good place to start on it. At the bottom of most pages where it says "Star Trek does x wrong", it says "Babylon 5 did x right, and here's how".
For example, when the crew can beam onto the Borg ship, they can blast a few things with phasers, but don't think to bring, say, a five hundred megaton nuke into the center of the ship and set it to detonate as soon as they clear out. Babylon 5? (Spoilers for the end of season three here.) When Sheridan goes to Z'Ha'Dum, he brings nukes with him. Not "quantum torpedoes" or some treknobabble crap that doesn't sound ooh-we're-hippies-nuclear-scary, he brings a fucking nuke. (Well, two, for good measure.)
It suffers from the same problem that Xander's muscles did in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. How strong is Xander---does he get beat up by one regular vamp, or can he hold his own against an invading army of Turok-Han---"they are to the vampire what the Neanderthal is to humans"? It depends on how convenient it is to the plot.
The problem, in both cases, is giving someone way, way too much power, and having to nerf tham with stupidity because otherwise they'd be unstoppable. Which, incidentally, is why Batman rocks, and why Superman is a fucking tool. (For a list of Trek-tech which has to be ignored in subsequent episodes because they're overpowered, see here.)
Look, if you want brilliant SF, give JMS or Joss Whedon a fat check and a full season to prove themselves. Trek has become synonymous with SF. (I at least hope that 'Star Wars' has more of an association with fantasy than SF.) That needs to change. Netcraft Confirms---Trek Is Dying.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
X Files was that way too, geek show on a Friday night.
Pathetic losers. Stay home to watch Sculley on a Friday.
In the current issue of Playboy (which I read only for the articles) she said this was Enterprises last season. And that basically the show sucks and Rick B is obsessed with big tittes.
... that at the last 15 minutes of the last episode B & B jsut stand up on the bridge and tell us what the fuck they did about the continuity on the ST Universe (Or how they plan to launch on DVD a "producer's cut" of all other ST series (and movies) fixing the whole storyline).
;-)
What the hell! They won't do that, Paramount will just offer them to Lucas to "save" Star Wars
Star Trek Fear Factor!!!
After our local UPN got bought out, I was unable to follow the series. I know that Paramount wants it's baby on UPN, but maybe it would have done better if they had it in reruns on a national channel. Spike seems to like Trek, it could have done well there.
Ah, well. Nobody has picked up Voyager for reruns yet, so I will probably never see it since I refuse to spend a fortune on series DVD's.
Everyone has an agenda. Except me. --Michael Crichton
Maybe it is time to take enterprise to bit torrent. Continue to make the show. Plug in some commercials. everyone is happy.
Completely right. Misfits of Science? Check.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
It used to be that science fiction had interesting speculative ideas of technology.
That has been lost in the franchise series like Star Trek.
This is why I stopped watching.
Science fiction is much better suited to one off shows like the Outer Limits since there is no need for multi-episode plot continuity.
I just hope they would NOT have "a larger scope and budget" for the movie like they had with Star Trek: Nemesis (which was utter crap if you managed to avoid it, btw).
Oh, and the money quote from Justin Rye:
The diversity-stifling corporate control of the media has formularised Star Trek into a soap-opera using scifi special effects; a genre in its own right, supplanting SF in the minds of the viewers and in the ecosystem of big-budget TV productions.
Exactly right. Trek isn't SF, and the sooner we can get rid of it, the sooner we'll be able to replace it with real SF.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
DS9, Deep space nine, I always called it deep throat nine, it was like Fox's soft porn channel!
when in doubt press enter and we'll figure it out later..
You have the U.S.S. Enterprise-E, the Super Star Destroyer Executor, and the Battlestar Galactica, all coming together in the same area of space.
Who will win?
Television is filled with rotten music, but Enterprise plumbed new depths of the banal bucket with that wretched song. The few times I heard it, I kept thinking it was the intro to a religious, self-help video. Nothing like seeing dislike become universal.
Now playing in elevators everywhere.
If you actually go to the web site Trek Today, it states that Manny Coto denied the rumor stating they are already building sets for the episodes that will occur after the sopposed cancellation date. Read for yourself-- http://www.trektoday.com/news/180105_02.shtml/
And yet they do the technology so badly that they have to ignore the possibilities of what they've done in the past so that they can make the plot a challenge for the crew. (For example, no beaming a tasty blend of matter and antimatter into the middle of the Borg vessel, even though they can clearly contain antimatter for fuel, and beam people onto the ship.)
Somehow, Babylon 5 managed to have both shiny, shiny technology (PPGs! Jumpgates! Organic ships!) and yet do plenty of characterization and cultural stories.
The problem isn't an overemphasis on technology. The problem is laziness and a vision that extends no further than next week, and its (verterons|tetryons|nadions|omicrons|trekkions). This works fine for a soap opera; it's no way to build a universe.
Stick a fork in Trek; it's done.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
He's like George Lucas, except he screws up someone ELSE's stuff.
At least when George Lucas makes money rehashing the Star Wars license and ruining. your memories, it comes back in improved film making technologies such as digital film, backdroping, and standardizing optimal theatrical sound. He even donates money for research in education.
Did Berman ever contribute something revolutionary and bold to the art of the teleplay and presentation? I think not!the whole StarTrek franchise has been on life-support for soooooooo long, it's really time someone pulled the plug once and for all!
The year long story arc is a blessing to die hard fans and a bane to the network that wants new fans to find the program and start watching. Buffy was in much the same situation for most of it's run. It was a great show from the start IMO and so it managed to hook enough people early on to keep it respectable for years but the audience seemed to never grow. I remember reading somewhere that a person associated with Buffy said something along the lines of "The ratings pretty much never vary more than a point or so either way. We could do a nude episode and it would probably draw two points higher than normal". That's not word for word of course but it conveys the general idea.
Enterprise ran off more viewers than it could spare early on and so the very good idea of running a season long arc turned into a bad idea for them. You just don't jumpstart a weak series that way. If you have a good core audience then it makes for a sweet season but you're not going to gain any ground with it. You're more likely to lose people over the course of the year.
Appended to the end of comments you post. 120 chars.
About the only thing TNG did well was actuall scary Borg (before the movie and Voyager messed that up).
Agreed. The post-"Descent" Borg are a damned joke.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
I get "Bandwidth Limit Exceeded The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to the site owner reaching his/her bandwidth limit. Please try again later." Seems they need to get a "Real Host" Our company, CyberStreet gets asked why they (customers)should pay $20 per month for hosting when others are selling it for as little as $5 per month. Tranfer Limits?, but I didn't tranfer very much!? I love it when the cheapy hosting companies help me sell our product.
Come on, give up on the Trek universe already, and move on.
look, the following is opinion. you may strongly disagree, so be warned.
that show has f*cking sucked since the 3rd episode. struggle after stuggle, from blalock's emotional bleed-through and crack whorage on the space-drugs, and scott bakula's transformation from an incredible actor into a stilted hack, this show was doomed from the beginning. they alienate the hell out of trek fans, especially the older ones, with their horrible inconsitancies and poor background research, piss-poor dialogue and incompetant directing.
it started when rick berman and brannon braga made the borg sexy. they were the scariest foe in trek history until they gave the borg boobs-- and big 'uns. with voyager, you could really see the beginning of the decline as the budget increased and the amount of fabric or jeri ryan's body decreased. they have trivialized everything that was meaningful about trek and change the whole concept of it. it used to be about peace and diplomacy and scientific discovery. confrontation was rare, but certainly necessary, but only when it was necessary was it used. now you see everyone blowing EVERYTHING up because that's what get's the masses of america to turn on and tune in: boobs and lasers and explody spacebourne objects.
the sad thing is that you can tell that some of the actors really tried hard to make the show better by acting better only to finally give up. poor john billingsly. theonly good actor on the show, and he has such a small presence.
let us not forget poor Mayweather (as it seems the writers have). why is he there? just to fill space? why would they cast a regular actor if they're never going to give him any meaningful involvment in but a few episodes?
if you ask me (which you didn't, but whatever), this show has only ber-maga and the writers to blame. the fans tried and tried to save it, but they were the only onse being ignored. HA! that's what u get.
ugh, and the theme song...
Indeed; I have the "Best of Both Worlds" soundtrack for that reason. Strength is irrelevant. Resistance is futile. We wish to improve ourselves. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service ours. It ended up being a let-down, but man, was it ever fun while it lasted.
If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you had better go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
This means that Sci fi fans are competing on which show they will watch, as opposed to being able to easily watch *both*
If only someone would come up with a way to watch one of the shows while it was being broadcast, but watch the other show later. Some way of "capturing", if you will, the video signal as it travels through the air or down the wire. Oh well...
because I missed the UPN Wednesday showing. That was only season 1, and a few parts of season 2. I watched through episode 13, and then a few through episode 22. That was back when Suprnova only took 5 seconds to pull up a page of torrents. Also, I think that was before Cox started offering UPN in my area; slowass fucks!
I'm not looking to specifically harsh anyone's gig here; I'm just calling it like I see it. It's just not the same without Gene being able to call up the episode writers/producers and ask "What the Fuck, Chuck?!". Gene was totally notorious about doing that, you know. Like Bill Cosby calling Eddie Murphy, sometimes he would just call up people and discuss the entire fucking universe for several hours on a Sunday evening. I heard rumors of him flying out to someone's house because they hung up on him, but that was back during the Undiscovered Country "For Gene" aftermath.
Honestly, I don't know if Meyer or Zimmerman have ever flown a B-17, or if B-17's even have a god damn thing to do with good episodes. All I know is I stopped watching after the first couple in season 2.
Morality 10%, ethics 10%, social structure 50%, politics 20%, and tits 10%.
I think that was the winning combo. Also, we need people cussing every once in a while. It's no big deal if the Limey does his "bloody" thing, because America wasn't in all those fucking wars that England got itself into. I think the engineer guy (Trapp?) could probably cut loose with some "hell" and "damnits", every now and then. We're not talking tit stickers on Superbowl Sunday, here; just a little bit of humanity in the mix. Minus the FCC Puritanism, that is. Maybe Enterprise just needs a few years off whilest we fucking do something about the prudes in the Whitehouse.
Didn't the Canadians burn that thing down one time?
An idea that I've always though curious would be that they come up with an intelligent explanation of how the Borg came to being.
Without a Queen Borg. Somehow I have always thought her to be somewhat of a rogue in the machine. One doesn't have the impression that they have always had a queen. It didn't quite fit into the original hive mind scifi idea.
Maybe tie in Guynan and her people.
Unfortunately this won't be possible since the Borg are not very much about positive humanistic ideals. How well would the idea of a marauding high-tech hivemind sell, that each week annihilated some novell highly developed civilization...
The Borg I guess could be called the non plus ultra ultimate uncompromising fascist entity of the Galaxy. They are so uncompromising that not even "friend of foe" is in their mindset, everything eventually is a friend...
______________________________________________
sigamajig...
You're right. Friday night TV is programmed for people who could not come up with something ELSE to do.
That's nerds, geeks, old people (not so much), and little kids and their babysitters.
That's why ABC has run kiddie shows and child-friendly sitcoms on Fridays for the last 15 years. That's why sci-fi has been on Friday for the last 30 years.
The problem with Friday, however, is that it is almost always the lowest viewed night of the week, which means the shows that are there fighting over viewers are fighting over a very, very small pool of potential viewers. That leads to automatic low ratings and cancellation. Funny how you put a show on a night when nobody watches TV and then you get surprised that nobody watches your show.
The networks know this perfectly well. Friday night is where you send a show when you want it to die. Saturday is also a nice graveyard.
20/20 is an exception, but it has been in that slot forever. It almost always murders whatever is put up against it.
Ok, is it supposed to take place in the future of the old series.. after they traveled through space and found earth and repopulated, with cmdr. Adama being the apollo from before? 'cause there's a new Apollo, Starbuck, Boomer. and the bad guy is Balzar again. I mean is this supposed to be a big history repeating itself thing or a slightly different account type thing?
Also, I know judaism and middle-eastern mythology were influences on the original show (kind of like stargate I guess), but robots that believe in God murdering people who pay lip service to many gods? i'm very confused.
Can you be Even More Awesome?!
hehehe, yeah-- one of the few successful attacks on US soil... but no good. they just moved into a swamp and built a bigger one.
I think the Sci Fi channel might pick up the series if they are smart enough to show yet another crappy Sci Fi show in their schedule.
I dunno what the heck those programming gerbils at Sci Fi are thinking. They apparently wanted to kill off the "space shows", apparently for cheaper stuff. So they methodically killed most of the shows that pulled in their ratings.
"So what do we do with that new Babylon 5 series prequel we ordered?"
"Uhh, slot it against some major sporting event, we'd have to trash it then."
Now all of a sudden they're remaking BS Galactica.
Someone set us up the bomb, so shine we are!
...if this Enterprise show's theme takes us back to the beginnings of ST:TOS, then we must do what those loyal fans did with THAT show: start a mail/write in campaign to save the show, to bring it back due to popular demand.
Then those fans will look back (to the future?) and say, See? Our idea to save the show had its roots back then, to the earlier series...
Wait, I'm getting dizzy...
I think we should set up a letter-writing campaign to Paramount to ditch Berman. The cast is not the problem -- all of them (especially Scott Bakula) have acted admirably. The writing is at fault, and the actors can't be blamed in the least for this. Rick Berman is the most uninspired sci-fi writer whose work I've had the misfortune of experiencing. Bag Berman, Keep the Cast!
'He who has to break a thing to find out what it is, has left the path of wisdom.' -- Gandalf to Saruman
[character looks at camera, shocked; cue 60s protest music]
You forgot one critical element...
Sam: Oh boy...
[zoom out. cut to commercial]
It's not what you know, or even who you know- It's how many people recognize your damn
You guys had several seasons of Enterprise joy, us Firefly viewers had FOURTEEN (14) frigging episodes.
Quit your bitching.
The Chronic *WHAT* les of Narnia!
Visiting the link brings up an article from 5:30pm that the rumours were false anyway. "We've always been scheduled to end production in March" said the quoted source.
Personally I couldn't ever get into the show, I kept expecting Al from Quantum Leap to walk onto the bridge at any moment and help Dr. Sam Beckett make the next jump.
Where to start? I'll pass on some comments made about Rick Berman by David Gerrold, writer of "The Trouble with Tribbles", at a sci-fi club meeting talk. But first, you have to pay for the soup. :-j
If the last season of Enterprise made me think "let this series end soon", this season makes me want to scream "it's too late!" Let's start with ...
Fans' original expectations . Obviously I can't speak for all fans but being one of the apparently few on /. who actually watched episodes of the original Star Trek (TOS) when they originally aired (not a lot, since it was on past my bedtime, but that's of historical interest), I expect Star Trek at the least (a) be thought provoking and (b) to entertain me.
Apparently what passes for for "entertainment" these days is a steady stream of
simple (i.e., predicable) plots,
lots of explosions,
skimpy costumes,
attractive yet forgettable & talentless guest actors,
cool special effects,
banal scripts,
and not much else.
Sure, all the Star Trek series have shared these attributes as have many other popular and (relatively speaking) high quality TV series -- this is television, after all. But with such consistency? No. Well, Voyager, perhaps.
Enterprise started out well enough. Teething problems for sure but there was some interesting character development and exploration going on from episode to episode. For the first two seasons. But even then it was obvious what was happening: the powers that be decreed that more action and adventure was needed to boost the ever important ratings. And then there was season three.
And now for David Gerrold's comments at a sci-fi club meeting I attended in Philadelphia. He talked about how Rick "Vermin" took over Star Trek from when Gene Roddenberry stepped back prior to his death. I think the nickname speaks volumes especially when combined with other sources of information (xref: Inside Trek: My Secret Life with Star Trek Creator Gene Roddenberry http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1930 709420/qid=1106092798/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-823530 8-0104835?v=glance&s=books)
In Deep Space 9 episode "Trials and Tribble-ations", members of the DS9 cast are edited into TOS footage of "The Trouble with Tribbles" as was done in Foresst Gump and Back to the Future. I don't recall if Gerrold had any creative input for the DS9 episode, but he did visit the shoot and enjoyed meeting the cast and crew. Cool stuff. As a derived work (or whatever the technical issue) and according to Writers Guild rules, Gerrold deserved to be paid. Berman refused. After a protracted battle involving forced arbitration through the guild, Gerrold finally received his due even though it was obvious from the start that Gerrold was in the right.
Without knowing exactly what has happened through the years, my best guess is that under Berman's stewardship, the talent and spirit of the people who have made Star Trek achieve the (relative) high quality through the years has been squandard, discarded, alienated, and/or allowed to wither away.
The single best example of why Berman must go is Star Trek: Nemesis. Oy, what a turkey. But in this interview http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-main.html?2003- 02/04/11.30.film, Berman didn't understand why it flopped:
"There's no way of telling what happened, ... I'm convinced that we made a very good movie, and I'm also convinced that the movie was promoted properly."
Need I say more?
"Where's my other sock?" - A. Einstein
"It's dead, Jim."
I have gas, but my car uses petrol.
(n/m)
Yeah, if I wanted poorly developed characters, simplistic plot lines, unrealistic motivations for characters, and only wanted something I could appreciate at a shallow level, I'd agree with you.
But as someone who prefers the classics, loves Shakespeare, and thirsts for shows that are well written, with high production values and solid acting, I loved it.
But, as I said, I can see how someone who wanted a simple, childlike fantasy to fit into a teenaged view of life wouldn't like it.
... someone lost the beating stick, so you'll finally be allowed to rest in dignity, instead of indignity.
I like to place meaningful quotes in my sig, so people will know that I know what meaningful quotes are.
The original 1970's Battlestar Galactica was an allegory of Mormon scriptures.
http://www.jitterbug.com/origins/general.html for details, scroll down.
In Repressive Burma, it's not just your connection that dies. slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=314547&cid=20819199
One of the coolest scenes from that episode is where Spock tries to nerve pinch Gary and, surprise surprise, he can't.
"sweet dreams are made of this..."
Star Trek Enterprise has always sucked.
Everything post-ST:TNG has always sucked.
The person who posted the story should have RTFA:
http://www.saveenterprise.com/sfxrumor.htm
I quote:
Popular British Science Fiction Magazine reported Enterprise set crew being fired in March.
According to SFX, supposed set spy "Trekspy" who works on Enterprise's set is due to be out of a job by March. "Trekspy" may be out of a job, but our sources confirm that this is NOT due to Enterprise being cancelled.
Our source say although UPN can pull the plug on the show anytime, the current plan on the set is to continue through the planned 22 episodes this season. The article is correct in that the last episode of the season (episode 22) will conclude principle photography in early March.
Manny Coto has also told TrekToday "It's another inane rumour. Right now, the crew is building the sets for episodes 20-21, which I'm writing. Rick [Berman] and Brannon [Braga] are writing episode 22, which is going to be fantastic!"
Well, maybe if I knew what motherfucking day the show was on, I would watch it. It was on Wednesday last year, although it got pre-empted by Detroit basketball every other Wednesday, pushing it to Friday, or was it Saturday, or was it Sunday afternoon?
Anyway, I don't know what day it's on this year, and have seen maybe 3 episodes. I don't know how the time travel Nazi thing turned out because I missed it.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
There was a great episode of Enterprise where they encounter an alien species with a 3rd, rarer sex required for breeding. They were prevented from learning or studying or reading, and they were shunted around the species to allow scheduled couples to have children. The captain doesn't like the situation but doesn't want to interfere when three of them come on board, and one is treated like a total slave and kept in the dark about everything. Tucker, however, can't stand the arrangement and sets out to teach the person how to read and about the world around them.
Ultimately Tucker teaches this person so much that she can't stand the idea of being nothing more than a reproductive organ, and kills herself. The Captain chastizes Tucker soundly for rushing in and imposing his cultural beliefs upon another group before understanding the reasons for their actions. He also points out the Tucker is responsible for the death of not only the girl, but of the child who will not be born.
It's a really good, deep, conflicted episode, directed by LeVar Burton (excellent director, BTW), and written by... Berman and Braga.
Not that I wouldn't mind removing them from the helm, but they did write the best episode of the second season.
The ______ Agenda
Its interesting that while Enterprise is failing, Berman claims he has an idea for a new movie. I find this interesting because, in my opinion, Berman is the main reason Enterprise is failing.
I want a new quote. One that won't spill. One that don't cost too much. Or come in a pill.
It's time for one of those weenie Comic Book Guy threads about who would win if the Galactaca and the Enterprise got into fight. Personally, I'd have to vote for the Enterprise on this one.
When they reroute the phase inverters through the ODN conduits and then channel the resulting flepteron particles through the deflector dish, those flyboys on the Galactaca won't know what in the name of deus-ex-machina hit them.
Set at the point soon after Klingons join the Federation, two human Starfleet cadets are assigned to a Klingon ship. It would be the ultimate culture clash.
So THAT is the new Paris Hilton/Nicole Richie show?
No contest.
I agree.. The bad 80's music complete with the guitar solo from hell was enough to make me change channels before I ever got to the story. Maybe they should get someone who listened to music in the 90's to do the next show. Hey why not get Perl Jam to do the next theme! or god forbid something even from this millennium!
it doesn't help when the skipper is portrayed as a bumbling idiot. In seasons 1 and 2, Archer was either captured or had the snot beat out of him each week...
Not that SpaceCast is a great station, it is pale when compared to SciFi but cancelling the last new showing Star Trek is well -- quickly becoming a excuse to cancel cable if it were not for the IP aggress..
Someone please put out a Star Trek outside of the media channels we currently have. They are dysfunctional carbon units controling what we see and hear. Yet they hear nothing as we want Trek!
With the budget that Star Tek has, they SHOULDbe able to pull off some really spectacular episodes... but they don't and you can place the blame squarely on the writing.
I began watching the Andromeda series (downloaded from BitTorrent, I don't even know if it's still on, and if so what channel) recently... A budget of less than $100 by the looks of the sets and special effects, actors that were obviously kicked out of the porn industry because they couldn't measure up to the high acting standards required by Anal Asian Road Trip #18 (Imean Kevin Sorbo is the LEAD role in a Sci Fi show!), but with stories that are usually so good that you end up thinking the show is absolutly AWESOME.
The stories that they come up with are incredible. They can be funny, thought provoking, twisted in the most incredible ways but usually just realy solid entertainment.
If you've never seen the show, go watch the first season and see if you don't agree. And ask yourself why Star Trek hasn't come up with an episode yet that can match them.
"Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons!"
That's 'Wesley'. 'Westley' was the Man in Black from 'The Princess Bride'.
I forget---is 'The Princess Bride' considered a dork thing? Chicks dig it, but so do geeks, and renfaire nerds are all over the fencing bits like white on, well, nerds.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
Earth in Enterprise is like Japan in the early 1900s. Japan was surrounded by much larger, parternalistic/hostile powers. The ruling clique decided that Japan would seize its place under the sun and did so. Such is the same in the Star Trek universe. At the start, Earth was a backward, vaguely radioactive, dead-end place. Our first starship was cobbled together from the last stages of a pre-war project and launched on top of a modified ICBM. 500 or so years later, Vulcans, Klingons and all the rest have been made members of a Federation of Planets with its capital in San Francisco.
Unfortunately, the writing of the Enterprise just failed to make exciting the period when Earth first reached out to control its part of the galaxy. It was a great disappointment. I really realized this after watching Battlestar Galactica.
Although that show has flaws (the modern Colonial Vipers and Battlestars have no manual controls or override if the central computer goes down? Such a stupid design decision would just never happen. Unlike an F16, which is a brick in the airstream without its computer control, spaceships fly in space and so could be controlled manually quite easily - if not elegantly - if need be), the writing is leagues better than Enterprise and the dark, angry story is as believable as SF can be. They even (almost) have rocketships that don't go "whish" in a vacuum, and the lasers, missiles, etc. are also pretty much silent. There is no happy resolution, such as with that passenger liner (I won't spoil it for those who haven't seen the episode), or when the FTL equipped half of the refugee fleet flees last season, leaving the rest to get nuked.
Keep Scott Bakula, get Al back, scrub the whole star-ship thing, and focus more on the time travel. Have weekly jaunts into random time periods. Surefire formula for success.
We just need a good show name... and since it's about time travel, let's pick something sciency that everyone will be familiar with, and enjoy sounding smart saying... how about Discrete Step?
Rick Berman said today he's working on a new Trek feature film that will have "a larger scope and budget" than ever."
How the heck can he get Paramount to agree to that after the last two films tanked at the box office?
Someone here might not have heard it.
The Klingons got the ridged foreheads from their spines impacting on the inside of their skulls from constantly getting their asses kicked by the federation.
If you feed this man, he'll just keep coming back. He'll keep coming back, raping our childhoods and messing with our memories of a great Star Wars. After that it's all been crap to include Greedo shooting first. He doesn't deserve another penny from any of us to continue sucking dry all the pulp serials. Don't go away mad George Lucas, just freaking go away.
learn from yesterday, plan for tomorrow, party tonight
or one out of three ain't bad
I can remember suddenly becoming aware of the end of Trek the first time I was watching the last few minutes of First Contact. I don't mean intellectually aware, either...I'd heard the speculation before then. That was when it became a gut-level realisation, however...that there were some things which tragically did not make the transition from the 20th to the 21st century, and that Trek was one of them.
I do not consider Enterprise canon, personally...Part of the reason is the fact that the show genuinely does suck abominably, (or did...I haven't seen it for at least two years now) but the main reason is that to me it definitely has a "post 911" atmosphere. By that, I mean the inclusion of Trip Tucker, Bakula's character also behaving like a stereotypical Texan most of the time, and racism being a reasonably recurring theme of the show.
The current ascendancy of the South in American politics is a truly catastrophic development, with disastrous implications for many parts of the rest of the planet, as we are seeing in Iraq. I hardly think that in Star Trek of all places, which in the past was primarily about the concept of universal brotherhood, we should be reminded of a small group whose xenophobic and utterly detestable ideology is currently making life miserable to the point of unlivability for a much larger number of people than themselves. Lincoln's desire during the Civil War may have been to hold America as a larger country together, but from everything I've ever seen, in hindsight he didn't do the planet a favour...including the US itself.
"... but since then the show gained momentum and started to rock."
Anything that starts to rock when gaining momentum is not mechanically sound...
http://www.saveenterprise.com/sfxrumor.htm They are not planning on canceling it, but they are fireing SOME of the staff. It is however in danger of being canceled, especally since stargate is in the same time slot wich will lower ratings.
All misspellings and grammatical errors in the above post are intentional and part of my artistic expression.
oh big suprise here, after all they didn't have people who new and loved trek writing & producing it , they had a bunch of hacks troweling out watered down drivel. It was that way on voyager, till the last season, and it was that way from the begining of enterprise. Sadly the whole zindi war concept harkens back to when they took DS9 to war, atleast on ds9 it wasn't a retreaded idea, it actually had some merit to go there. This franchise needs to rest a while, berman needs to go to other endeavors.
The franchise needs to relearn "why" it was and more importantly "what" it was. In short it needs to remember that at its height the franchise was an excellent vehicle to study human nature with, if the script that week was up to speed. But sadly they forgot that and they forgot us techies, you know us annoying types who kept belaboring the point that hey this didn't happen in the original series. they eventually pushed all of us who go back to Bill , Len and De Kelly and waited with baited breath for the first trek movie and the first episode of TNG and DS9. Alot of sweat went into enterprise, but sadly, not alot of quality creative effort. in the end it was all just a poor rehash of TOS
Woohooo, they finally cancelled this sucky show!
I hope the next one will be more like voyager and not about silly time travel.
-- We are Microsoft. Linux is irrelevant. Openness is futile. Prepare to be assimilated. --
http://www.trektoday.com/news/180105_02.shtml
If they really wanted to maintain continuity, they would have cancelled Enteprise in fewer seasons than TOS was on the air.
"My followers?"
"Your victims."
I've missed most of this season, and by the
looks of it, this is exactly what I was expecting
before they aired the very first episode of the
series. =\
I'm glad they finaly ditched the time travel
arc crap, and are finaly doing what they were
supposed to be doing in the first place. I
hope the series can still be saved.
It wasn't so much of a 'Quantum Leap' to see that coming...
Maybe it's just me, but I really appreciate shows like 24, where you actually have to follow a storyline over a significant period of time. For me that is the opposite of the stroboscopic dumbing down which characterizes most contemporary entertainment these days. For people like me who aren't exactly poster boys for the ritilin generation, it harkens back to an earlier era where TV and radio shows really had people talking about programs and really looking forward to the next episode. And is it that hard to do a quick, "previously on The Shadow..." at the beginning of each show?
A-Bomb
Most new music does suck.
There are occassional nuggets here and there, but they certainly aren't the "hits" being pushed by the RIAA.
DS9 was the armpit of the trek series. They had a potentially workable concept, and drove it into ground with jack boots.
By the time they actually got to what appeared to be a decent story line, my interest was long gone, and even the Dominion War (or what ever that was) didn't hold my interest at all, much like the current Enterprise.
I will say this though, when Enterprise comes out on DVD, I'll probably rent them so that I can skip all the stupid episodes and just watch the decent storylines. Now if they'd only put that assinine intro on its own track, so I could 1 button pass it, I'd be happy. (Something the Stargate DVDs ought to do, after watching a season's intro twice, I don't ever want to see it again, and I didn't need to see it in the first place.)
Here's one plot I'd like to see. Remember in TOS the Klingons looked like humans with a little makeup. Then in TNG the Klingons looked like professional wrestlers with big hair behind the crab shell on their forehead. They even had a time travel episode where the TNG crew were on the space station with Kirk and the tribbles and they didn't recognize the Klingons. Riker asked Worf ''What happened?'' and Worf said ''We don't speak of it.''
Write a story arc for Enterprise where the Klingons try to genetically engineer their whole race to be super warriors. Build part of the plot on a racial war between almost human appearing Klingons versus the professional wrestler, butt ugly Klingons. The big ugly Klingons do a Rwanda style genocide and wipe out the human appearing Klingons and rewrite their whole history to make it appear they were the original Klingons.
Of course it's too late to do that now.
At least, if they can't do better than ENT, which is by far the worst of all five ST series. The awful US-patriotic opening credits, the many discontinuities, the weak stories and the often lame acting make it really not my cup of tea.
In the case of acting, I must admit that the bar hangs high with Patrick Stewart as Picard, but you can't excuse extreme mistakes like the "look and feel", which looks like it could be in the time between TOS and TNG, not before TOS.
Yeah, but now we got Myth (or TiVo, ( or ReplayTV, or freevo) ) So fuck em all...
It was trying to be too B5ish, which I hated like all the other poorly lit daytime soap operas, with crap for writing...
And no, I didn't think "Babbleing on five" was sci fi either - come on, give me a break!
[Now, I'm off to lift my le... Um, visit... at another place.]
From the desk of Ron B. Moore, one of the visual effects supervisors working on Star Trek Enterprise:
There have been rumors. Most of them bull. I do not believe that anyone here knows about next season yet, but it is certainly possible that this would be the last season. The rumors about us ending this season early are just not going to happen. We will finish shooting in March as planned. There will be 98 episodes when we finish
the season.
I believe there is a chance that we will be around for another season but would not put any money on it.
You take care of yourself!
Ron
It's all damned lies and statistics!! I mean 47% of all people use statistics to back up their arguments.
I really enjoyed Enterprise. Granted, the intro song REALLY sucks, but the show itself I found very entertaining. I like all the characters, I like the premise, I like the "look and feel".
Season 3 was what really hooked me. Season 1 and 2 I didn't really get into, but after seeing season three... I went back and watched 1 and 2 and thoroughly enjoyed them.
Season 4 is so far the best yet, and I hope the show makes it to a 7th.
I think I'm able to enjoy it because I'm not a hardcore trekkie, more of an enthusiast. So if Enterprise ruined any continuity, I haven't noticed.
(FYI my name is Gramage).
*smirk*
Wallah
Enterprise was never good to begin with, Deep Space Nine on the other hand was the best Trek since the original and in some areas much better. Give me a Band of Brothers-ish based mini-series chronicling the Dominion War from the infantry's point of view (similar to the awesome episode "Siege of AR-558") and I'd be happy. It'd be good to have some DS9 cameos in there too, but focus on new characters. Let Wolfe and Behr produce/write and Nic Meyers direct, keep Berman and Braga away from it. This could revitalize Trek.
yeah it's a thing called cash. TOS didn't have it. The movies did, so they gave the klingons ridges, you know..to make em look more alien.
If people wanna take issue with it as an inconsistency, well then they're fucking anal retentive.
Acting?! Look and feel?!
OK, the old cast was endearing and all, but WTF?!!!?
Did any of you WATCH The Original Series?!
Would YOU watch a new show that has crappier sets than Kirk had, so it could "feel" like it took place before him?
For the love, it was plywood looking like an overly lit nuclear facility!
Acting?!
:-)
Compared to TNG: Yes. I must admit, I'm spoiled by Patrick Stewart. If compared to TOS, the acting is OK.
Look and feel?!
Yes, that is one of the main mistakes they made. Something that takes place before TOS mustn't have the look & feel of being more close to TNG in the timeline.
Did any of you WATCH The Original Series?!
Sure. Except some from VOY and DS9 I have seen all Star Trek episodes until the first few ENT.
Would YOU watch a new show that has crappier sets than Kirk had, so it could "feel" like it took place before him?
Noone claims the whole set should be made crappier than TOS (if that's possible). But all the Phasers, Tricorders, the control panels in the ship and so on should have been designed in a way that most people just "know" where ENT takes place in the timeline, just as we "know" which TV set is from 1960 and which is from 2000.
The opening credits are one big annoyance. One central characteristic of Roddenberry's ST universe is that mankind lives together in peace and harmony and has left behind all the bullshit of differencing people after race, nation, etc. This US-patriotic stuff (WTF has the star spangled banner to do with Star Trek?) really shows how they fucked thing up, creating credits standing so much in opposition to what Star Trek stands for.
Nothing can hold a flame to The Next Generation, we agree there I think. But the issue of Enterprise looking too modern to convincingly take place in time prior to The Original Series is just Trekkie-fodder. You simply can't produce a modern science fiction/fantasy show on Network TV (i.e. acceptably mainstream production values) AND please die-hards of a beloved franchise who want it to be treated with respect. There may exceptions, such as The Next Generation perhaps, but even then you're talking HUGE compromises for one of those sides. Name a popular (by the numbers) show on the SciFi channel that you think would last even as long as Enterprise below 13 on your television dial. Shows last on Network TV because they generate revenue for the network. Period. And this whole business with the opening credits? Please, that's a seperate NON-issue. They make opening credits to compliment the character of the show according to current trends and to simply credit the actors. You all are WAY over ANALyzing them.
You simply can't produce a modern science fiction/fantasy show on Network TV (i.e. acceptably mainstream production values) AND please die-hards of a beloved franchise who want it to be treated with respect.
You can. LOTR was told undoable by lots fo people for a long time, too. And if you can't then simply do not do it instead of delivering crap like ENT. That is why I said "let die what shall die".
*BUUUZZZ* Wrong answer! Thank you for playing.
Was Lord of the Rings on Network TV? Was it 47 minutes broken into pieces for commercials? Oh and gee, what WAS their budget?
I see your point, but film is another creature. You aren't comparing apples to apples there.
TV is loaded with crap, to be sure. Especially UPN. But I think the failure of Enterprise is the result of abuse by its parents, not because it was born stupid.
BTW, how many people who watch Enterprise do you honestly think are represented here? *Insert witty remark on how they're ALL here*
Repeat after me kids: Vocal Minority. Great job!